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raptorstv
Oct 8, 2012, 11:21 PM
Just curious on what you guys think...



rgr555
Oct 8, 2012, 11:28 PM
I'm curious too actually.

I love Android. But I prefer Apple's hardware design.

I have used Android for past 3 years and the iPhone 5 (once it arrives) will be my first iOS phone. I really like how easy the iPad is to use so I'm sure I'll like it. My Android device definitely is more customizable though.

pragmatous
Oct 8, 2012, 11:37 PM
Problem with android is fragmentation. That is indisputable. It is difficult for amateur developers and even companies to develop for android. Imagine how many devices with android oS there are, imagine the idea of having to test your app on every android device to see if it works, now imagine only the top 3 phones are chosen to develop for because it is infeasible to test the app on every phone. You run into issues where app works for phone x but not for phone y. The app will probably crash for phone z. Now imagine that phone X, Y, and Z all run on different hardware. Good luck debugging.

on iOS you have one hardware software platform to develop for similar to developing apps for windows. It's a lot more intuitive so that is why the apps for iOS are a lot better than android. Also runs faster because it's native coding. At least most apps are native. Some companies try to develop in HTML 5 and that is just a bad idea.

edit:
Also to note on android a lot of companies take shortcuts and develop using XML. XML is interpreted like HTML is. Android is a virtual machine that runs on top of JIT. Just in time compilation. In layman terms all you need to know is that it is slower. SO you have XML code that is interpreted on top of a virtual machine that uses JIT. It's double interpreted and that is why you need such high powered hardware to run android efficiently. In android 4.1 jelly bean they sped up the OS by over-clocking the processor in order to interpret all that garbage so it doesn't appear sluggish. Completely inefficient operating system that will eventually choke itself to death.

I'm curious too actually.

I love Android. But I prefer Apple's hardware design.

I have used Android for past 3 years and the iPhone 5 (once it arrives) will be my first iOS phone. I really like how easy the iPad is to use so I'm sure I'll like it. My Android device definitely is more customizable though.

pgiguere1
Oct 8, 2012, 11:51 PM
It has the best screen quality on the market, best CPU and GPU, the smoothest, most performance-efficient, most stable OS on the market. It has a premium feel and it's super compact and light yet has a very good battery life.

It has more and better apps than the competition. The OS is updated for 4 years, is easy to use, virus-free and has good design (both easthetically and functionally). It's simple and trouble-free enough to let you focus on the tasks you want to do without messing around too much.

That's more personnal but I think screen size is ideal (a phone should be easy to use one-handed IMO) and I like that it integrates seamlessly with my other Apple products/services (OS X, iTunes, iPad, iCoud, iTunes Match, iPhoto).

I may be interested in Android phones if there was a flagship phone that wasn't monstrously big yet had top of the line performance with a good battery life and a good screen, and ideally a Nexus so that it stays updated and has no crappy skin. Unfortunately "small" (less than 4.5") Androids are often slow budget phones and even the big powerful models have bad PenTile OLED screens, an undesired skin and a cheap plastic construction.

The postive keyword I hear to describe Android is often "customizable" but honestly I don't care about those things. Most of my devices still have their original backgrounds and I haven't ever changed default app icons placement, ringtones or the few things I can customize in iOS. When stuff works well I don't play with it.

raptorstv
Oct 8, 2012, 11:54 PM
I am just wondering since i just switched from using blackberry...

PAC88
Oct 8, 2012, 11:57 PM
Even though it's made in China.. the white iPhone 5 is sexy as hell and does everything I need in a "smart"phone. can't really say that for any other plastic phone out there.

pragmatous
Oct 8, 2012, 11:59 PM
I deal with blackberry's at work and when someone switches from blackberry to iphone I feel like i have one less person that is going to call and complain about their phone not working.

Night and day - literally. People only use their blackberry's at night because they're embarrassed to show it compared to iphone where you will use it during the day and show it off lol

I am just wondering since i just switched from using blackberry...

Moshe1010
Oct 9, 2012, 12:05 AM
It has the best screen quality on the market, best CPU and GPU
It doesn't have the best CPU and GPU in the market. There are different benchmarks out there that show different results. In one benchmark Galaxy S3 got 1800 with geekbench, and the others got 1600-1700, so it's quite the same.

, the smoothest, most performance-efficient, most stable OS on the market.
No, it's not. Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) works as good as iOS.

It has a premium feel and it's super compact and light yet has a very good battery life.

Samsung's S3 battery is better. It has super compact and light feel because you have tiny screen. Yes, Samsung has plastic cover on the back, but you can change your battery if you need too. In iPhone you can't.

It has more and better apps than the competition.
The gaps are minimal.
Current number of Android apps in the market: 534,936
Current number of iOS apps in the market: ~700,000

23% difference. All major apps are available on both platforms.

The OS is updated for 4 years, is easy to use, virus-free and has good design (both easthetically and functionally).

Nothing in this world is virus free. OSX and iOS can get viruses and are actually very vulnerable as Kaspersky noted couple of weeks ago. I didn't hear about any Android viruses so far.

It's simple and trouble-free enough to let you focus on the tasks you want to do without messing around too much.

Same as Android, it's a user preference. You can't say something is simple, it's subjective.

That's more personnal but I think screen size is ideal (a phone should be easy to use one-handed IMO) and I like that it integrates seamlessly with my other Apple products/services (OS X, iTunes, iPad, iCoud, iTunes Match, iPhoto).

After a week with a 4.5+ inch screen, you would never want to comeback to 4 inch and below screens. It would even look funny to you.

I may be interested in Android phones if there was a flagship phone that wasn't monstrously big yet had top of the line performance with a good battery life and a good screen, and ideally a Nexus so that it stays updated and has no crappy skin. Unfortunately "small" (less than 4.5") Androids are often slow budget phones and even the big powerful models have bad PenTile OLED screens, an undesired skin and a cheap plastic construction.

The postive keyword I hear to describe Android is often "customizable" but honestly I don't care about those things. Most of my devices still have their original backgrounds and I haven't ever changed default app icons placement, ringtones or the few things I can customize in iOS. When stuff works well I don't play with it.

At the end of the day, Android or iOS is user preference. You can't say one is better than the other, it's like comparing BMW to Mercedes.

duneriderltr450
Oct 9, 2012, 12:08 AM
What's an Android?

monkor
Oct 9, 2012, 12:10 AM
It isn't. I've used both and they're honestly just different. For web browsing, I prefer Android by leaps and bounds. Text resizing and screen size play a huge factor in that. If I'm playing a game, I like that screen real estate as well. I can't type well on any touch screen due to large hands, so anything extra helps. Notifications and the LED indicator are superior and make life a lot easier.

On the other hand, build quality on the iPhone is better, and the screen is second to none. Apps are released quicker/some are exclusive to the iPhone. If you always want the latest operating system, then the iPhone won't steer you wrong. Copy and paste is less frustrating. There is slightly (almost imperceptibly) less lag on an iPhone.

In the end, you should really just try both for yourself. I'd wager you'd be happy with either one.

irDigital0l
Oct 9, 2012, 12:11 AM
It has the best screen quality on the market, best CPU and GPU, the smoothest, most performance-efficient, most stable OS on the market. It has a premium feel and it's super compact and light yet has a very good battery life.

It has more and better apps than the competition. The OS is updated for 4 years, is easy to use, virus-free and has good design (both easthetically and functionally). It's simple and trouble-free enough to let you focus on the tasks you want to do without messing around too much.

That's more personnal but I think screen size is ideal (a phone should be easy to use one-handed IMO) and I like that it integrates seamlessly with my other Apple products/services (OS X, iTunes, iPad, iCoud, iTunes Match, iPhoto).

I may be interested in Android phones if there was a flagship phone that wasn't monstrously big yet had top of the line performance with a good battery life and a good screen, and ideally a Nexus so that it stays updated and has no crappy skin. Unfortunately "small" (less than 4.5") Androids are often slow budget phones and even the big powerful models have bad PenTile OLED screens, an undesired skin and a cheap plastic construction.

The postive keyword I hear to describe Android is often "customizable" but honestly I don't care about those things. Most of my devices still have their original backgrounds and I haven't ever changed default app icons placement, ringtones or the few things I can customize in iOS. When stuff works well I don't play with it.

Not disagreeing with you but some of your "facts" are wrong.

1. I honestly can't tell, but the SIII does in fact have a better screen than the iPhone 5 http://socialbarrel.com/galaxy-s-iii-screen-trumps-iphone-5-screen/44823/

2. While iPhone has a 1.3 Ghz dual-core processor with triple-core GPU, its still not A15 (neither are current Android devices) but not quad-core (which tons of Android, Windows, etc. devices are)

3. For battery life, while the iPhone 5 has good battery life, the iPhone 4 still has the best followed by the iPhone 5 and then iPhone 4S. Perphaps its because of the LTE, but I iPhone 5 and the SIII both have about the same battery life.

4. Android OS is also virus free. Google never adds viruses into their OS...which would just be dumb. If your talking about the Android market, yes there's malaware but if your not stupid and download some random app your safe. Your not going to get a virus for downloading Angry Birds or Twitter on Google Play. Plus the App Store isn't malaware free either...I think several apps that had malaware acciendently got approved.

5. Honestly I hate when people say that something is ideal. Pretty sure when the iPhone was just 3.5 inch you were like "this size is ideal." Apple comes along and changes it to 4 inches and your now "this is ideal." Goes with any other phone, OS, manufacturer, etc. Its annoying.

6. If you ever actually used a Galaxy Nexus, its actually extremely fast and smooth just like iOS thanks to Project Butter. It also has just as good of battery as the iPhone.

7. As far as your customizationphobia, I guess thats normal if you own Apple devices. However I prefer to make my iPhone, productive so I arrange stuff based on my own needs. Just feel that sticking with everything normal is basically like dictatorship.

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 12:13 AM
I can say that iOS is better than Android because I know how they work. If you study the iOS it's actually very smart and very powerful operating system based on mach unix.

Android is ran on JIT. It's like running your operating system on the .net framework. Then add in the inefficiencies of java and xml. Garbage collection = dumb concept.

At the end of the day, Android or iOS is user preference. You can't say one is better than the other, it's like comparing BMW to Mercedes.

Roessnakhan
Oct 9, 2012, 12:15 AM
Why is the iPhone better than Android phones


It isn't better, and it isn't worse. Of course its subjective on the devices you compare them too (obviously a free Android phone is going to be a different experience than the Samsung GSIII), but as operating systems they're both pretty equal, and each surpass the other in different ways.

Radiating
Oct 9, 2012, 12:18 AM
Just curious on what you guys think...

Android phones are profoundly terrible, why?

1. Because Apple has patented many interface shortcuts Android phones do not implement most of the easy of use features that iPhones do. iPhones are so intuitive to go kids can use them BEFORE they learn to speak. This is important because it just makes doing everything easier and smoother and it takes less concentration. When I'm on the go, distracted or out at night I don't have to think about using the iPhone. I've tried both Android and the iPhone and this is a huge difference.

2. Absurd fragmentation. There are less than a dozen i-devices. There are tens of thousands of android devices all with different specs. This creates several sub issues:

a. Lack of optimization. The iPhone can in effect do twice as much with the same hardware as an Android phone because programs are optimized for a few devices, where with Android they are not. This means you can really push the hardware on an iPhone and get amazing tripple A games.

b. Compatabiliy. Everything works. This is a big deal, I do not need to be wasting time using things that do not work with 9342 devices and only work with 2341 devices.

c. Easy to program for. Developers push programs for the iPhone out much faster. They have to test things less and there are fewer variables. This means iPhones get the best apps first.

3. Usability and ergonomics. Apple very carefully thought out the usability and egronomics of the phone. Never have I asked myself "why the ******* would they put a screen on a phone that is just a tiny bit too short to reach with one hand", "why the ******* do they have 4 buttons which I can't reach while using the phone with one hand normally" even the volume, lock connector etc is well thought out "why the ******* would you not use a reversible dock connector?"

4. Quality, iPhones are built like $10,000 Breitling watches. All other phones within financial reach of normal consumers are made of absurdly cheap Toys 'R' Us materials that are mind bogglingly lame. You're buying a $600+ device, and they can't put $30 of nice material on the outside? This is just insulting.

5. Service, Apple has some of the best service in the world, and that service is LOCAL, you can walk into any Apple store and get it, no going online. I've had iPhones and their accessories replaced for the most minor things. Apple welcomes nitpickers. HTC basically told me "tough" when they sent me a physically deffective phone and made me sell it on eBay for another one while it was under warranty. It is also almost impossible to reach these Android manufacturers, Apple is always there for you.

6. iPhones are seamless, they automatically sync with my Mac without having to do anything, which is immensly useful, and your whole phone with all it's settings is constanty backed up to the cloud. You can restore an iPhone at the slightest whim. Which makes upgrading and swapping warranty replacements super easy.

7. Smallness and lightness. iPhones are more portable.

8. Accessory support. It's undeniable that the iPhone supports more unique accessories. Macro lenes for the camera, docks, cases, external speakers, external DJ aplifiers, extended batteries, wireless chargers etc.

9. Resale/trade in value. iPhones have better resale value.

The real question is, why wouldn't you get an iPhone 5? The only answer I can find is because you're A. Cheap B. Uninformed or C. Need some feature unique to Android. (such as a 4.7 in screen)

You wouldn't go with an Android because of:

1. Screen quality, the iPhone has the best screen quality of any phone:

http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_2.htm

2. Performance. The hardware of the iPhone scores higher in benchmarks than any US android phone (except for special quad core non LTE Galaxy S3's and Galaxy notes).

http://gizmodo.com/5943988/the-iphone-5-is-more-powerful-than-the-fastest-powerbook-ever-made

3. Cool apps like emulators. You can just jailbreak the iPhone and get those, and they work much better. Don't even try to tell me that it's finecky to jailbreak your iPhone. With Android it's finecky to instal ANY app, and is much worse overall.

So in conclusion there are many reasons why the iPhone is better and Android is not.

darster
Oct 9, 2012, 12:19 AM
On MacRumors forum:
iPhone is for smart people.
Android is for dumb people.

On Android forum:
Android is for smart people.
iPhone is for dumb people.

Pretty much sums it up. :D

Seriously, whatever works for you.

stevedusa
Oct 9, 2012, 12:38 AM
I'll share with you my experiences, coming from the Android platform for years, and this is my FIRST iOS / iPhone ever.

I believe it's the efficiency of the iOS that outdoes the Android.

Why? I had a Rezound from VZW with extended battery. I have it rooted, S-Off and on the most battery conserving ROM.

Exchange push from work, Hotmail Push, GMail Push, social network updates every 15 minutes, bluetooth music streaming during LA traffic commute, text, browse, at least half hour video viewing (YouTube/Sling) at the gym and 10-15 minutes of talk on a daily basis, even the extended battery on the Rezound would be pretty much dead by the time I go to bed.

On the iPhone, SAME usage, background, foreground, network connection (50/50 LTE&Wifi daily) and whatever you have, by the time I go to bed it'll have at least a third of juice left.

This pretty much applies to the OS X as well. Ever wonder why a copy of Windows make your MacBook / Pro runs hot and drains battery fast? While on OS X it can last at least 6 hours?

It's simply the efficiency of the OS, and I'm glad I made the move.

pgiguere1
Oct 9, 2012, 12:39 AM
It doesn't have the best CPU and GPU in the market. There are different benchmarks out there that show different results. In one benchmark Galaxy S3 got 1800 with geekbench, and the others got 1600-1700, so it's quite the same.
Those benchmarks either use an overclocked CPU or unofficial (less stable) ROM. Most people will have a stock (stable build) OS and stock clock speed.

No, it's not. Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) works as good as iOS.

Maybe it's smooth enough for you but you can't deny that iOS is more power efficient. An iPhone 4S has terrible specs on paper compared to a GS3 yet most reviews I've seen say it's smoother than the GS3 even with JB. The iPhone 5 is even smoother in comparison, again with what appears as worse specs on paper. I have a iPhone 5 and compared with my friend's GS3 with JB (CM10) and the difference in smoothness is quite big, even he agreed.

Samsung's S3 battery is better. It has super compact and light feel because you have tiny screen.

It has a higher capacity on paper but doesn't last as long in real word usage. See the Anandtech GS3 review, even the iPhone 4S beats it.

The iPhone is light because it's thin and made out of aluminum, not just because it has a screen size that's appropriate for a human hand. Samsung makes big phones because it's easy to crank up specs like number of cores/clock speed when you have a huge battery to compensate, which itself needs a big casing. Try to find a powerful Android phone the size of an iPhone 5. That's a real challenge to design.


The gaps are minimal.
Current number of Android apps in the market: 534,936
Current number of iOS apps in the market: ~700,000

23% difference. All major apps are available on both platforms.

A lot of AA games are iOS only. What's the point of having big specs if you have much less console-quality games? A lot of Android apps are also pretty amateur and wouldn't have been approved in the App Store.


Nothing in this world is virus free. OSX and iOS can get viruses and are actually very vulnerable as Kaspersky noted couple of weeks ago. I didn't hear about any Android viruses so far.

Source? AFAIK there has never been virus on either iOS or OS X.

Same as Android, it's a user preference. You can't say something is simple, it's subjective.

You might like one or another more in the long run, but iOS' learning curve is still much lower than Android's. You can judge by how tech-illiterate people like very young kids and old people adapt to it.


After a week with a 4.5+ inch screen, you would never want to comeback to 4 inch and below screens. It would even look funny to you.

I don't know, I just moved up to 4.0" and I'm not even sure if I like it better yet. I find the back button a little hard to hit at times. Maybe slightly smaller (3.8") would be ideal for me, but that's just me, some have larger hands. I however haven't seen people with hands big enough to hit all portions of a 4.8" screen with a single hand without moving its palm on the back of the phone.

Sure a large screen looks good when viewing content but for what I use my phone for it would be putting form over function and I think easy one-handed operation is more important.

pgiguere1
Oct 9, 2012, 12:50 AM
Not disagreeing with you but some of your "facts" are wrong.

1. I honestly can't tell, but the SIII does in fact have a better screen than the iPhone 5 http://socialbarrel.com/galaxy-s-iii-screen-trumps-iphone-5-screen/44823/

2. While iPhone has a 1.3 Ghz dual-core processor with triple-core GPU, its still not A15 (neither are current Android devices) but not quad-core (which tons of Android, Windows, etc. devices are)

3. For battery life, while the iPhone 5 has good battery life, the iPhone 4 still has the best followed by the iPhone 5 and then iPhone 4S. Perphaps its because of the LTE, but I iPhone 5 and the SIII both have about the same battery life.

4. Android OS is also virus free. Google never adds viruses into their OS...which would just be dumb. If your talking about the Android market, yes there's malaware but if your not stupid and download some random app your safe. Your not going to get a virus for downloading Angry Birds or Twitter on Google Play. Plus the App Store isn't malaware free either...I think several apps that had malaware acciendently got approved.

5. Honestly I hate when people say that something is ideal. Pretty sure when the iPhone was just 3.5 inch you were like "this size is ideal." Apple comes along and changes it to 4 inches and your now "this is ideal." Goes with any other phone, OS, manufacturer, etc. Its annoying.

6. If you ever actually used a Galaxy Nexus, its actually extremely fast and smooth just like iOS thanks to Project Butter. It also has just as good of battery as the iPhone.

7. As far as your customizationphobia, I guess thats normal if you own Apple devices. However I prefer to make my iPhone, productive so I arrange stuff based on my own needs. Just feel that sticking with everything normal is basically like dictatorship.

The link you posted about the screen doesn't state much specs and doesn't consider real-world results either. Take a look and Anandtech's or DisplayMate comparisons. Those are real display specialists and come to totally different conclusions. iSuppli usually estimate costs of components, they're not reviewers. They didn't talk about most important specs and focused mainly on physical dimensions for some reason. The GS3 has a blue tint, PenTile matrix, over vibrant color and much lower sRGB color accuracy.

My personal ideal screen size would be around 3.8", but I do have small hands. I did state that was personal.

A Galaxy Nexus, even with JB, is much less fluid than an iPhone 4S, let alone a 5. It also has outdated specs and a terrible camera. I heard from owners it has a very bad battery life and it was its weakest point, along with the camera. It however is well priced I must admit. Given that's it's fairly old tech it's more of a mid-range phone right now and should more be compared with the iPhone 4/4S (which are also still for sale at a lower price) IMO.

roxxette
Oct 9, 2012, 12:53 AM
These is subjective, same as why you like these food and the other dislike.

darster
Oct 9, 2012, 12:59 AM
Most people know what an iphone looks like.
Most people don't know what an "insert android brand" looks like.

Moshe1010
Oct 9, 2012, 12:59 AM
Those benchmarks either use an overclocked CPU or unofficial (less stable) ROM. Most people will have a stock (stable build) OS and stock clock speed.

Maybe it's smooth enough for you but you can't deny that iOS is more power efficient. An iPhone 4S has terrible specs on paper compared to a GS3 yet most reviews I've seen say it's smoother than the GS3 even with JB. The iPhone 5 is even smoother in comparison, again with what appears as worse specs on paper. I have a iPhone 5 and compared with my friend's GS3 with JB (CM10) and the difference in smoothness is quite big, even he agreed.

It has a higher capacity on paper but doesn't last as long in real word usage. See the Anandtech GS3 review, even the iPhone 4S beats it.

The iPhone is light because it's thin and made out of aluminum, not just because it has a screen size that's appropriate for a human hand. Samsung makes big phones because it's easy to crank up specs like number of cores/clock speed when you have a huge battery to compensate, which itself needs a big casing. Try to find a powerful Android phone the size of an iPhone 5. That's a real challenge to design.


A lot of AA games are iOS only. What's the point of having big specs if you have much less console-quality games? A lot of Android apps are also pretty amateur and wouldn't have been approved in the App Store.


Source? AFAIK there has never been virus on either iOS or OS X.

You might like one or another more in the long run, but iOS' learning curve is still much lower than Android's. You can judge by how tech-illiterate people like very young kids and old people adapt to it.


I don't know, I just moved up to 4.0" and I'm not even sure if I like it better yet. I find the back button a little hard to hit at times. Maybe slightly smaller (3.8") would be ideal for me, but that's just me, some have larger hands. I however haven't seen people with hands big enough to hit all portions of a 4.8" screen with a single hand without moving its palm on the back of the phone.

Sure a large screen looks good when viewing content but for what I use my phone for it would be putting form over function and I think easy one-handed operation is more important.

There are many OSX Virsues/Trojans, but you don't really know about it if you won't install an antivirus.
Source for Kaspersky OSX and iOS:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57433761-37/kaspersky-apple-needs-to-face-up-to-mac-threats/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/iphone-malware-kaspersky_n_1515074.html

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/05/22/kaspersky-co-founder-resorts-to-scaremongering-over-apples-ios-antivirus-ban/

Vetvito
Oct 9, 2012, 01:01 AM
It's all preferences. They're both evenly matched to me.

pgiguere1
Oct 9, 2012, 01:07 AM
There are many OSX Virsues/Trojans, but you don't really know about it if you won't install an antivirus.
Source for Kaspersky OSX and iOS:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57433761-37/kaspersky-apple-needs-to-face-up-to-mac-threats/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/iphone-malware-kaspersky_n_1515074.html

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/05/22/kaspersky-co-founder-resorts-to-scaremongering-over-apples-ios-antivirus-ban/

They don't talk about a single virus in any of these articles. Kaspersky is worried for the future of OS X since the Flashback Trojan and other malwares that aren't viruses.

212rikanmofo
Oct 9, 2012, 01:13 AM
Funny I hear people saying OS X and Macs get viruses but in the 15 years of owning a Mac, I've never encountered a single virus, nor any spyware/malware for that matter. Yes I'm aware it exists, but to me personally I never had an issue.

To me what sets the iPhone far apart from any Android device is Apple's ecosystem.

Ceviche Lover
Oct 9, 2012, 01:24 AM
for me:

im coming from a samsung epic 4g on sprint, and this is why i chose iphone 5:


1)its a guarantee based on apple's history i will get at least 2 full years worth of software updates, where as my epic 4g was last upgraded 8 months ago to gingerbread. sprint has said they will not be releasing an update for ICS, so im basically forced to get a new phone if i want an updated OS with android.

2)the quality of the hardware and detail is much better this this cheap tacky plastic samsung uses in thier phones.

3)got tired of having a laggy ass OS

4)my phone kept doing the weirdest things like alarm going of in the middle of the day, screen not turning when opening up slider, id get a phone call but my phone wouldnt ring or vibrate. i attribute this to the OS.

5)love the fact that i can take a pic on my iphone and have icloud push it to my devices.

6)higher resell value

7)better quality apps

8)everything is just easier to do in the OS, where as with android i have to customize it for at least a couple of hours out of the box.

9)superior customer support and service

matttye
Oct 9, 2012, 01:31 AM
Used Android for about three years, HTC desire, Galaxy S2 and Galaxy S3.

iPhone is smoother than Android (even the S3 with Jelly Bean update is not AS smooth, albeit a huge improvement), it's guaranteed to receive several updates and the Apple ecosystem is better than Googles IMO.

There's not much in it.

HappyJB
Oct 9, 2012, 01:55 AM
The link you posted about the screen doesn't state much specs and doesn't consider real-world results either. Take a look and Anandtech's or DisplayMate comparisons. Those are real display specialists and come to totally different conclusions. iSuppli usually estimate costs of components, they're not reviewers. They didn't talk about most important specs and focused mainly on physical dimensions for some reason. The GS3 has a blue tint, PenTile matrix, over vibrant color and much lower sRGB color accuracy.

My personal ideal screen size would be around 3.8", but I do have small hands. I did state that was personal.

A Galaxy Nexus, even with JB, is much less fluid than an iPhone 4S, let alone a 5. It also has outdated specs and a terrible camera. I heard from owners it has a very bad battery life and it was its weakest point, along with the camera. It however is well priced I must admit. Given that's it's fairly old tech it's more of a mid-range phone right now and should more be compared with the iPhone 4/4S (which are also still for sale at a lower price) IMO.
I have galaxy nexus with jelly bean. I have been enjoying jelly bean a bit more than 2 month now. Now I see lags on iPhone 4s. My nexus is very responsive as well. Benchmarks? Yes, my galaxy nexus kills every benchmarks (geekbench, browsermark &sunspider) battery life is ok. Just for you, my nexus has 62% battery after using 11h & 18min. Not bad, isn't it?

I mean to say 'my galaxy nexus kills iphone 4s on every benchmarks...'

LouieSamman
Oct 9, 2012, 01:58 AM
iCloud is a feature that keeps me sticking with the iPhone.

pgiguere1
Oct 9, 2012, 02:06 AM
Just for you, my nexus has 62% battery after using 11h & 18min. Not bad, isn't it?

That doesn't mean much if we don't know your settings / brightness / tasks.

Here's a comparison from Anandtech:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47401.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47403.png

The iPhone 5 wasn't released when those tests were done but you get the point, the iPhone 5 has maybe twice the GNex's battery life.

skidbubble
Oct 9, 2012, 02:08 AM
Most people know what an iphone looks like.
Most people don't know what an "insert android brand" looks like.

Of course people are going to know what an iphone looks like when it looks the same and hasn't changed (much) for almost 4 years.

daveathall
Oct 9, 2012, 02:16 AM
I have had both the iPhone 4S and 5 and have tried them out against the Galaxy S3, at the moment I prefer the S3.

I have not found any lag, battery issue, lack of apps or a need to flash or ROM my phone, I find the interface as smooth as ios and have also had an update since getting it about two months ago.

I'm not saying that it is any better than an iPhone, but it certainly is not worse. I think there is a lot of misinformation spread about Android by people that IMHO have not used the system. At the moment it works best for me. Both systems are IMHO superb, but different from each other.

darster
Oct 9, 2012, 02:19 AM
Of course people are going to know what an iphone looks like when it looks the same and hasn't changed (much) for almost 4 years.

Why change a good thing. Thats called great advertising. The iPhone has become ingrained in everyday life, something a Samsung, Motorola, etc, never will be. It shows in the Apple ads. Apple doesn't talk about any other device with their commericals. Samsung has to constantly compare itself to the iPhone in theirs. Most people would consider that a loser mentality.

NovemberWhiskey
Oct 9, 2012, 02:23 AM
iCloud is a feature that keeps me sticking with the iPhone.

really? icloud? lol. Even Steve Jobs hated how icloud turned out.

I'm coming from a Samsung Galaxy Nexus. Previously a 3GS owner, and moved to Android since then (Droid X, X2, Charge, Nexus).

The iphone 5 is perfection. The speed, the screen PQ, the precision/reliability, the overall dimensions. Personally I would prefer an even larger screen (4.5 maybe) but that is just me. Otherwise the phone is near perfect. Battery life has been amazing ever since the Verizon patch.

PERFECTION. And this is coming from someone that thought iOS was on its last legs.

PlatinuM195
Oct 9, 2012, 02:39 AM
There are a few major reasons I'll stick with Apple although I've bought my share of Android devices over the years. Of course there's the spec wars between different phones and never ending screen size increases, but what's kept me with iOS are more of the non-speccy features:

Ecosystem
The accessory market is huge. Cases, docks, speakers and car accessories; it's even more of a bonus when my accessories are somewhat future proofed.

Airplay mirroring works great with my iPhone at the moment. If i bought an iPad or MBP they'll integrate seamlessly with Airplay.

The software ecosystem and software updates are unrivaled. S-Cloud? With iCloud I know it's at least a medium term product.

Passbook may not have the best support but it's getting a lot of major players onboard. NFC is a great tech but without the partners it's a lot less useful.

Service and support
Have never had a problem claiming a warranty issue from Apple directly or from my carrier. It's usually sorted out extremely quickly. The situation with international warranty is even easier, I can just enter the serial number of the iDevice into the local Apple website and it sorts everything out.

HappyJB
Oct 9, 2012, 03:25 AM
That doesn't mean much if we don't know your settings / brightness / tasks.

Here's a comparison from Anandtech:

Image (http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47401.png)
Image (http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47403.png)

The iPhone 5 wasn't released when those tests were done but you get the point, the iPhone 5 has maybe twice the GNex's battery life.

I set brightness at 60%, except for Youtube which I auto set at 100% using Tasker. I made around 20 min calls, web browsing/viewing photos/Youtube/email check/Social Networking/Tapatalk etc about 1.5 hour. Wifi on. GPS off (again set auto off when connected specific wifi using Tasker). 3G & GPS is on about 1 hr when I am on the go. 62% left after 11 hr 18 min. If 3g & gps on all that time, I guess around 30% would be left. I do not have battery optimisation app.

iPhone 5 has, I think, 1,440 mah (10 mah more than iPhone 4s). If you play iPhone 5 with full 4 inch screen and 3.5 inch iPhone 4s side by side, I would imagine iPhone 5 would not last longer than 4S.

Btw, do not trust the battery % showing on iOS6 device. I guess iOS6 has a bug. My iPad 2 showing 100% still after playing about 30 min. A geek played iPhone 5 a bit more than 20 min, but only loose 1% (100% to 99%). See also following Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnwdpsPq-RQ&list=PLrFle9f_-e-iLlVJwyU3Pbzfy20mCVSmg&index=3&feature=plpp_video

This guy started charging iPhone 5 at 6% and checked % periodically. until 85%, it charges 10% in every 10 min, but it starts charging slow at 85 % and it takes 17 min to charge the last 2% (98% to 100%)

MH01
Oct 9, 2012, 03:31 AM
Just curious on what you guys think...

Nothing to do with better.

It's about choice, what you want out of the device, and how much you like to customise your experience/stay with an ecosystem.

Both have their pros and cons. Don't get bought into the specs, thinnest etc etc, all that mean nothing, holding the device and using it for a while will tell you all you need to know.

skidbubble
Oct 9, 2012, 03:35 AM
Ecosystem
The accessory market is huge. Cases, docks, speakers and car accessories; it's even more of a bonus when my accessories are somewhat future proofed.


Most of which no longer work with the newest iPhone, unless you purchase expensive ($30-40) adapters. No longer do you have the ease, convenience and simplicity of using one cable interchangeably between iPhone / iPod and iPad. Now, one must carry and / or use a second cable / plug, etc. Accessories are not future proofed, they are obsolete with the iPhone 5.

LouieSamman
Oct 9, 2012, 03:41 AM
really? icloud? lol. Even Steve Jobs hated how icloud turned out.

Well considering that no other devices can save the entire phone or tablet's apps, settings, & data to the cloud, I think its a good reason.

I would never have to worry that if something were to happen to my phone that I won't just lose everything and all i would have to do is get another one, sign in, and everything is back to normal.

Just a software feature that I really like over the android.

I do however love a bigger screen but 4" is doing just fine for me...for now.

MH01
Oct 9, 2012, 04:11 AM
They don't talk about a single virus in any of these articles. Kaspersky is worried for the future of OS X since the Flashback Trojan and other malwares that aren't viruses.

When there was no malicious software on OSX in the day, macs were safe. I am afraid we have to be vigilant now, and just cause a "virus" does not exist on a mac, other forms of malware can in the future really ruin your day.

ElZeus
Oct 9, 2012, 04:15 AM
Apple's new Maps app ofc.

roxxette
Oct 9, 2012, 04:33 AM
Well considering that no other devices can save the entire phone or tablet's apps, settings, & data to the cloud, I think its a good reason.

I would never have to worry that if something were to happen to my phone that I won't just lose everything and all i would have to do is get another one, sign in, and everything is back to normal.

Just a software feature that I really like over the android.

I do however love a bigger screen but 4" is doing just fine for me...for now.

I could be wrong bu i think on android you can backup your setting, photos and other crap on dropbox; i know you could do that on iphone long before icloud because i used it a lot BUT you had to jailbreak.

ggmissmolly
Oct 9, 2012, 04:43 AM
And...with iOS you actually can get your OS updated to the latest release so that your new phone is not downlevel for 2 years....

MonkeySee....
Oct 9, 2012, 04:51 AM
At the end of the day, Android or iOS is user preference. You can't say one is better than the other, it's like comparing BMW to Mercedes.

I was taking your points on board untill you said OSX can get viruses. You ruined your whole post.

Dave.UK
Oct 9, 2012, 05:02 AM
And...with iOS you actually can get your OS updated to the latest release so that your new phone is not downlevel for 2 years....

Yes and no! This is a very clever technique by Apple. On older iphones, although you think your getting ios6 - your not getting the full package.

iphone 3 and 3G do not get ios6.

iphone 3GS misses out on the following features of ios 6 - 3D Flyover or turn-by-turn navigation features of the new Maps app, Panorama mode or the offline reading list feature. Location-based Reminders, WiFi Personal Hotspot, FaceTime, AirPlay Mirroring and Siri.

iphone 4 misses out on the following features - 3D Flyover or turn-by-turn navigation features of the new Maps app, Panorama mode or the offline reading list feature, Facetime, Made for iphone hearing aids and Siri.

So although you think your getting updates, your not getting the FULL update.

paulsalter
Oct 9, 2012, 05:09 AM
Well considering that no other devices can save the entire phone or tablet's apps, settings, & data to the cloud, I think its a good reason.


Never tried it so don't know how reliable it is

but my Android tablet backs that info up to google

MonkeySee....
Oct 9, 2012, 05:11 AM
Never tried it so don't know how reliable it is

but my Android tablet backs that info up to google

FWIW its very good. I always restore from iCloud and with put my phone back to how it was since I backed it up last. Apps and everything :)

VulchR
Oct 9, 2012, 05:24 AM
The basis of my personal preference for the iPhone boils down to aesthetics and to the ecosystem.

In regard to aesthetics, I just think that the iPhone has a more elegant GUI. It does not have the flexibility of Android, but honestly there's not much I would want to change about iOS anyway. Perhaps quick toggles for turning on/off WiFi etc. would be nice on the search page, but for me that's about it.

In regard to the ecosystem, I might surprise some by saying that iOS's links with the App Store, iTunes, and OS X are only a secondary concern for me. My primary issue is that Google makes money from information collected from Android users. The mobile phone user in the Android/Google ecosystem is not the customer - advertisers are. For me, that's a huge disadvantage of Android that can't simply be argued away by massive Samsung screens or widgets.

In any case, there are only limited ways to use a mobile phone. I expect that over time basic functionality on all phones will be pretty much the same, with only hardware quality and GUI seperating models from different vendors. If Apple keeps iOS elegant and they maintain high quality control (there are signs that they are slipping), then I probably stay with them. If not, I would consider Microsoft's mobile OS.

roxxette
Oct 9, 2012, 06:00 AM
I was taking your points on board untill you said OSX can get viruses. You ruined your whole post.

It doesnt ? Or people havent bother to do so ? ;)

Dave.UK
Oct 9, 2012, 06:05 AM
I was taking your points on board untill you said OSX can get viruses. You ruined your whole post.


Yup, no viruses on OSX :rolleyes:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/04/mac-os-x-report-virus-infects-600000-computers/

http://www.inquisitr.com/284576/apple-crisis-virus-for-mac-os-x-detected-by-intego/

etc etc

Oletros
Oct 9, 2012, 06:37 AM
Problem with android is fragmentation. That is indisputable. It is difficult for amateur developers and even companies to develop for android. Imagine how many devices with android oS there are, imagine the idea of having to test your app on every android device to see if it works, now imagine only the top 3 phones are chosen to develop for because it is infeasible to test the app on every phone. You run into issues where app works for phone x but not for phone y. The app will probably crash for phone z. Now imagine that phone X, Y, and Z all run on different hardware. Good luck debugging.

on iOS you have one hardware software platform to develop for similar to developing apps for windows. It's a lot more intuitive so that is why the apps for iOS are a lot better than android. Also runs faster because it's native coding. At least most apps are native. Some companies try to develop in HTML 5 and that is just a bad idea.

edit:
Also to note on android a lot of companies take shortcuts and develop using XML. XML is interpreted like HTML is. Android is a virtual machine that runs on top of JIT. Just in time compilation. In layman terms all you need to know is that it is slower. SO you have XML code that is interpreted on top of a virtual machine that uses JIT. It's double interpreted and that is why you need such high powered hardware to run android efficiently. In android 4.1 jelly bean they sped up the OS by over-clocking the processor in order to interpret all that garbage so it doesn't appear sluggish. Completely inefficient operating system that will eventually choke itself to death.


I don't know where to start to correct all the wrong statements you have made.

Wll, I will only correct two things:

1. XML is used to define the layout of controls and the it is compiled
2. Android 3.1 doesn't overclock anything.

Please, before demonstrating that you don't know nothing about Android, try to read and lear a little

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Yup, no viruses on OSX :rolleyes:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/04/mac-os-x-report-virus-infects-600000-computers/

http://www.inquisitr.com/284576/apple-crisis-virus-for-mac-os-x-detected-by-intego/

etc etc

That's the problem with media, they don't know the difference between virus, trojans or worms.

Those are not virus, are trojans.

OS X, iOS or Android don't have virii

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I can say that iOS is better than Android because I know how they work. If you study the iOS it's actually very smart and very powerful operating system based on mach unix.

Android is ran on JIT. It's like running your operating system on the .net framework. Then add in the inefficiencies of java and xml. Garbage collection = dumb concept.

mach is not an operating system, it is a kernel. And what has to be so smart?

Android doesn't run on JIT, Android APPLICATIONS run on the Dalvik VM

Rodimus Prime
Oct 9, 2012, 06:38 AM
edit:
Also to note on android a lot of companies take shortcuts and develop using XML. XML is interpreted like HTML is. Android is a virtual machine that runs on top of JIT. Just in time compilation. In layman terms all you need to know is that it is slower. SO you have XML code that is interpreted on top of a virtual machine that uses JIT. It's double interpreted and that is why you need such high powered hardware to run android efficiently. In android 4.1 jelly bean they sped up the OS by over-clocking the processor in order to interpret all that garbage so it doesn't appear sluggish. Completely inefficient operating system that will eventually choke itself to death.

I am going to point out XML is NOT and I repeat NOT a programming language. It has some standards but they are very VERY lose. XML is more of a file type that is really nice to store information in. In the case if developing for android XML is used for the layout only. Any other use of DIFFERENT xml files that have nothing to do with the layout are not native to android and used by the programmer only for a way to store info/ pass between programs/devices.
Hell where I work I use XML files. Hell today when I get in I will be editing some code create xml files to deal address new values be used. BTW I am working on a windows computer.
Now the XML files are used to pass between different copy of said program and yes to pass to both iOS and Android devices.

OMG iOS uses XML as well.

Also JIT is not a virtial machine. It is not a programming language at all. You might what to learn what those acronimes mean before you throw them around. JIT stands for Just In Time (compiling) It is not like your exe you run. Android the OS is not a virtual machine. Now the apps run inside a virtual machine.

MonkeySee....
Oct 9, 2012, 06:53 AM
Yup, no viruses on OSX :rolleyes:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/04/mac-os-x-report-virus-infects-600000-computers/

http://www.inquisitr.com/284576/apple-crisis-virus-for-mac-os-x-detected-by-intego/

etc etc

ooooo Just wide. Nice try though.

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It doesnt ? Or people havent bother to do so ? ;)

It doesn't

roxxette
Oct 9, 2012, 07:02 AM
How come i know people that sell 0 day exploits for safari or have botnets with thousand of mac users :) i say again people just dont bother.

Virus ? I dont know mate, its the same for windows people dont bother with "virus" ;) theres no money in that.

b24pgg
Oct 9, 2012, 07:46 AM
Why is the iPhone better than Android phones?
It isn't.

Hedgie58
Oct 9, 2012, 08:04 AM
At the end of the day, Android or iOS is user preference. You can't say one is better than the other, it's like comparing BMW to Mercedes.

DISCLAIMER: I have no bias to either phone.

I think he was still correct that it has been confirmed by third party sources iPhone 5 has the 'best screen', top GPU and CPU specs are not top but out performs the other phones. Correct me if tests are available that shows the quad core GS3 outperforming...maybe with consistently with custom roms not just a few tests here and there.

Personally I have used both and yes project butter is great but iOS was still smoother to use but the gap has shrunk enough it really doesn't matter much.

Are there measures that show the S3 battery life as better? I have read/heard the opposite. Also is the iPhone 5 not thinner than GS3? If so I think it was just by a little so the size argument you made was probably valid.

Do people change their batteries a lot just curious?

"It has more and better apps than the competition.
The gaps are minimal.
Current number of Android apps in the market: 534,936
Current number of iOS apps in the market: ~700,000

23% difference. All major apps are available on both platforms."

This is actually 30.8% = (700/534.936)-1.........and the biggest thing is the apps are more polished in my opinion.

Viruses are available on both even if iOS is 'modestly more secure.'

iOS seems definitely simpler but functionality is decreased as well.

"After a week with a 4.5+ inch screen, you would never want to comeback to 4 inch and below screens. It would even look funny to you."

This is a VERY true statement.

"The postive keyword I hear to describe Android is often "customizable" but honestly I don't care about those things. Most of my devices still have their original backgrounds and I haven't ever changed default app icons placement, ringtones or the few things I can customize in iOS. When stuff works well I don't play with it."

This statement is an excellent argument for why android is so close to an iOS experience now. The GS3 is on par with the iPhone 5 out of the box and its great to be a consumer of phones these days.

b24pgg
Oct 9, 2012, 08:27 AM
The postive keyword I hear to describe Android is often "customizable" but honestly I don't care about those things.
This is what it boils down to. Those who have no interest in customization and are happy with what the software developers dictate for you generally prefer iOS. Those who want a device that can do anything and that they can do anything with, generally prefer Android.

onthecouchagain
Oct 9, 2012, 08:35 AM
It should be noted that customization doesn't just include how the software looks.

It's more than that. Much more.

Customization also means usability catered to your specific needs. Deciding what setting toggles are important to you, or which keyboard you prefer to use, or which browser you prefer to surf on, what lock-screen you want to see when you turn on your device, etc. all add to the experience that makes a device uniquely tailored to you.

That's where customization goes a long way.

rocknblogger
Oct 9, 2012, 08:38 AM
Android phones are profoundly terrible, why?

1. Because Apple has patented many interface shortcuts Android phones do not implement most of the easy of use features that iPhones do. iPhones are so intuitive to go kids can use them BEFORE they learn to speak. This is important because it just makes doing everything easier and smoother and it takes less concentration. When I'm on the go, distracted or out at night I don't have to think about using the iPhone. I've tried both Android and the iPhone and this is a huge difference.

2. Absurd fragmentation. There are less than a dozen i-devices. There are tens of thousands of android devices all with different specs. This creates several sub issues:

a. Lack of optimization. The iPhone can in effect do twice as much with the same hardware as an Android phone because programs are optimized for a few devices, where with Android they are not. This means you can really push the hardware on an iPhone and get amazing tripple A games.

b. Compatabiliy. Everything works. This is a big deal, I do not need to be wasting time using things that do not work with 9342 devices and only work with 2341 devices.

c. Easy to program for. Developers push programs for the iPhone out much faster. They have to test things less and there are fewer variables. This means iPhones get the best apps first.

3. Usability and ergonomics. Apple very carefully thought out the usability and egronomics of the phone. Never have I asked myself "why the ******* would they put a screen on a phone that is just a tiny bit too short to reach with one hand", "why the ******* do they have 4 buttons which I can't reach while using the phone with one hand normally" even the volume, lock connector etc is well thought out "why the ******* would you not use a reversible dock connector?"

4. Quality, iPhones are built like $10,000 Breitling watches. All other phones within financial reach of normal consumers are made of absurdly cheap Toys 'R' Us materials that are mind bogglingly lame. You're buying a $600+ device, and they can't put $30 of nice material on the outside? This is just insulting.

5. Service, Apple has some of the best service in the world, and that service is LOCAL, you can walk into any Apple store and get it, no going online. I've had iPhones and their accessories replaced for the most minor things. Apple welcomes nitpickers. HTC basically told me "tough" when they sent me a physically deffective phone and made me sell it on eBay for another one while it was under warranty. It is also almost impossible to reach these Android manufacturers, Apple is always there for you.

6. iPhones are seamless, they automatically sync with my Mac without having to do anything, which is immensly useful, and your whole phone with all it's settings is constanty backed up to the cloud. You can restore an iPhone at the slightest whim. Which makes upgrading and swapping warranty replacements super easy.

7. Smallness and lightness. iPhones are more portable.

8. Accessory support. It's undeniable that the iPhone supports more unique accessories. Macro lenes for the camera, docks, cases, external speakers, external DJ aplifiers, extended batteries, wireless chargers etc.

9. Resale/trade in value. iPhones have better resale value.

The real question is, why wouldn't you get an iPhone 5? The only answer I can find is because you're A. Cheap B. Uninformed or C. Need some feature unique to Android. (such as a 4.7 in screen)

You wouldn't go with an Android because of:

1. Screen quality, the iPhone has the best screen quality of any phone:

http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_2.htm

2. Performance. The hardware of the iPhone scores higher in benchmarks than any US android phone (except for special quad core non LTE Galaxy S3's and Galaxy notes).

http://gizmodo.com/5943988/the-iphone-5-is-more-powerful-than-the-fastest-powerbook-ever-made

3. Cool apps like emulators. You can just jailbreak the iPhone and get those, and they work much better. Don't even try to tell me that it's finecky to jailbreak your iPhone. With Android it's finecky to instal ANY app, and is much worse overall.

So in conclusion there are many reasons why the iPhone is better and Android is not.

Nonsense. About 30% correct, 100% opinion, 70% wrong. Full disclosure, I am an Apple customer since early 2000's and have an iPhone 5.

And by the way. Using a phone with one hand is way overblown. God gave you two hands, use them!!

Also the fragmentation issue is also way overblown. Just so happens if an app is in the Android App Store and available to you, you can install it and use it. Oh and by the way iOS is fragmented too and will be getting more fragmented in the months and years to come. Apple fanboys need to stop using that as a differentiator.

Rodimus Prime
Oct 9, 2012, 08:58 AM
It should be noted that customization doesn't just include how the software looks.

It's more than that. Much more.

Customization also means usability catered to your specific needs. Deciding what setting toggles are important to you, or which keyboard you prefer to use, or which browser you prefer to surf on, what lock-screen you want to see when you turn on your device, etc. all add to the experience that makes a device uniquely tailored to you.

That's where customization goes a long way.

and that part you bold on customization is the exact reason why I went android and do not like iOS at all. It is WAY WAY to limited on the settings. Now I will admit a lot of people call my phone infomation over load and it is very set up to me. I have a co worker who puts my set up to shame. His is far from easy to use. It is all custom gestures to his actions. There is not a single icon on any of his 7 home screens. It is just full page widgets.

roxxette
Oct 9, 2012, 09:06 AM
and that part you bold on customization is the exact reason why I went android and do not like iOS at all. It is WAY WAY to limited on the settings. Now I will admit a lot of people call my phone infomation over load and it is very set up to me. I have a co worker who puts my set up to shame. His is far from easy to use. It is all custom gestures to his actions. There is not a single icon on any of his 7 home screens. It is just full page widgets.

I agree with both of you and must be noted that i have very very limited experience with android OS but the time i had it was very clear that you can really make your phone unique and im not talking about themes/looks.

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 09:43 AM
You can do a lot in XML but it should only be used for layout.

I know iOS uses XML but iOS code is native. Meaning it's not being interpreted with Bytecode.

The problem I'm pointing out is android is a virtual machine interpreting XML. You can make an app in mostly XML. Look at the facebook app? It is said it is coded in HTML 5 but I bet XML is involved that is running on a virtual machine. People then wonder why facebook is so slow. Ever wonder why their apps are at a 50MB app size limit where for iOS their apps are in gigabytes?

I also have my bias because I hate java and I love the C language better. Objective C just flows so much better. It's easier to debug and the paradigm is intuitive. I find it annoying I have to create an array class (a file) to have an array. The amount of files you have to keep track of in android is also nauseating.

To each there own. I'm glad you enjoy it but I hated it.

I am going to point out XML is NOT and I repeat NOT a programming language. It has some standards but they are very VERY lose. XML is more of a file type that is really nice to store information in. In the case if developing for android XML is used for the layout only. Any other use of DIFFERENT xml files that have nothing to do with the layout are not native to android and used by the programmer only for a way to store info/ pass between programs/devices.
Hell where I work I use XML files. Hell today when I get in I will be editing some code create xml files to deal address new values be used. BTW I am working on a windows computer.
Now the XML files are used to pass between different copy of said program and yes to pass to both iOS and Android devices.

OMG iOS uses XML as well.

Also JIT is not a virtial machine. It is not a programming language at all. You might what to learn what those acronimes mean before you throw them around. JIT stands for Just In Time (compiling) It is not like your exe you run. Android the OS is not a virtual machine. Now the apps run inside a virtual machine.

bbplayer5
Oct 9, 2012, 09:45 AM
Hardware design - Apple
Software - Tossup - depends what you prefer. Android is way more in depth, Apple is simple and closed.


I like them both. I think they both offer a lot to the user. Android has far more options for a power user though, and apps seem to be updated far more frequently.

Oletros
Oct 9, 2012, 10:20 AM
You can make an app in mostly XML.

This summarizes your knowledge



Making a class to do an array? WTF?

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 11:56 AM
Every object is a class in java.

edit:
Every class is a .class file where the class name matches the class file.

The Array class provides static methods to dynamically create and access Java arrays. (http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/reflect/Array.html)

I guess you never overloaded or inherited classes before as well.

This summarizes your knowledge



Making a class to do an array? WTF?

cynics
Oct 9, 2012, 12:36 PM
Never tried it so don't know how reliable it is

but my Android tablet backs that info up to google

I found it works well.

I don't take a lot of pictures from my tablet but even though I've reset the device every time I get an update (about 4-5 updates in total from honeycomb to ICS) I still have pictures and videos from when I bought it.

Oletros
Oct 9, 2012, 01:04 PM
Every object is a class in java.

Wrong, every object is an instance of a class


edit:
Every class is a .class file where the class name matches the class file.

The Array class provides static methods to dynamically create and access Java arrays. (http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/reflect/Array.html)

I guess you never overloaded or inherited classes before as well.

Your original comment

I find it annoying I have to create an array class (a file) to have an array.


You don't need to write a class to have an array.

I guess the one that doesn't have very clear the concepts is not me.

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 01:35 PM
I think we are not on the same page. You are reading things that I'm not typing.

I don't like java but you do - enjoy.

Wrong, every object is an instance of a class




Your original comment




You don't need to write a class to have an array.

I guess the one that doesn't have very clear the concepts is not me.

craftytony
Oct 9, 2012, 02:32 PM
Here are some recent articles from various sources you may enjoy:

Android users a prime target of malware - 9/5/2012
http://www.pcworld.com/article/261898/android_users_are_prime_target_for_malware.html

22% of Android users dumping their handset for an iphone5 - 9/5/2012
http://www.zdnet.com/22-percent-of-android-users-willing-to-dump-their-handset-for-iphone-5-7000003755/

iPhone ranks highest in customer satisfaction - 9/6/2012
http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/06/jd-power-iphone-ranks-highest-in-customer-satisfaction-for-8th-consecutive-study/

Why iOS apps look better than android apps - 4/8/2012
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/04/easier-design-apps-ios/

Here's how bad android's fragmentation problem is - 5/16/2012
http://mashable.com/2012/05/16/android-fragmentation-graphic/

iOS shoots ahead of android in enterprise app developer interest - 7/25/2012
http://www.bgr.com/2012/07/25/ios-android-enterprise-survey-app-developers/

iPhone has best resale value - 2/28/2012
http://www.fox47news.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1478909265001

Why developers still aren't smitten with Android - 3/21/2012
http://news.yahoo.com/android-app-apathy-why-developers-still-arent-smitten-191807568.html

iOS adoption rate higher than android - 5/9/2012
http://www.itproportal.com/2012/05/09/ios-511-already-on-10-per-cent-of-ios-devices/

Why iphone outperforms android even with a "Slower" processor - 10/11/2011
http://venturebeat.com/2011/10/11/iphone-4s-cpu-slower-than-ipad-2-still-faster-than-all-android-phones/

Developer Explains Why Android Sucks for Some Audio Apps - 5/24/2012
http://gizmodo.com/5913066/developer-explains-why-android-sucks-for-some-audio-apps

More Proof That Android Is Still Playing Catch Up To iPhone - 5/6/2012
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-05-06/tech/31591537_1_android-android-phones-iphone#ixzz25oeHyOtF

Top 10 Ways iOS Outdoes Android - 9/7/2012
http://lifehacker.com/5804230/top-10-ways-ios-outdoes-android

iPhone 5 Speed Test Results Shockingly Blows Galaxy S3 Away - 9/17/2012
http://areacellphone.com/2012/09/iphone-5-speed-test-results-shockingly-blows-galaxy-s3-away/

iPhone 5 Beats Everything In Javascript Benchmarks, Twice As Fast As iPhone 4S - 9/19/2012
http://www.cultofmac.com/191510/iphone-5-beats-everything-in-javascript-benchmarks-twice-as-fast-as-iphone-4s/#UDUAXJwaqAGuegf6.99

Apple's Siri trounces Samsung's S Voice (hands-on) - 9/20/2012
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57458122-85/apples-siri-trounces-samsungs-s-voice-hands-on/#!

Flagship Smartphone Display Technology Shoot-Out - 9/24/2012
http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_2.htm

IPhone 5 journal: Torture testing the battery - 9/26/2012
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/26/technology/iphone-5-review-battery/index.html?source=yahoo_quote

iPhone 5 vs. Galaxy S III in Durability Test - 9/25/2012
http://www.talkandroid.com/133524-iphone-5-vs-galaxy-s-iii-in-durability-test/

raptorstv
Oct 9, 2012, 02:57 PM
I got the iPhone 5, and my girlfriend's contract just ended... She really wants to get Samsung Galaxy Note 2 when it comes out, not sure if i should try to convince her into getting an iphone5 or not

TheHateMachine
Oct 9, 2012, 03:13 PM
The amount of fanboys in this thread is amusing.

Rodimus Prime
Oct 9, 2012, 03:24 PM
I think we are not on the same page. You are reading things that I'm not typing.

I don't like java but you do - enjoy.

Umm it is pretty clear you have no understanding of Java and your understanding of object oriented programming is very poor at best. The fact that you say an array is a class..... speaks volumes. An object is not a class. This is basic OOP plan and simple and has NOTHING to do with a programming language.

An array is not going to generated a .class file. Hell when you complile an APK not like you see all that stuff. They are dumped in a what I normally call a bin folder and .class files are not used for anything but running the damn program.

End of store is you should stop talking about something you have clearly a very poor understanding of.

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 03:35 PM
There is an Array class.

Again you are making things up that I haven't typed.

Umm it is pretty clear you have no understanding of Java and your understanding of object oriented programming is very poor at best. The fact that you say an array is a class..... speaks volumes. An object is not a class. This is basic OOP plan and simple and has NOTHING to do with a programming language.

An array is not going to generated a .class file. Hell when you complile an APK not like you see all that stuff. They are dumped in a what I normally call a bin folder and .class files are not used for anything but running the damn program.

End of store is you should stop talking about something you have clearly a very poor understanding of.

Dontazemebro
Oct 9, 2012, 03:43 PM
Yippee another redundant thread moved to the alternatives section.

Why am I not surprised :rolleyes:

tbayrgs
Oct 9, 2012, 03:43 PM
I got the iPhone 5, and my girlfriend's contract just ended... She really wants to get Samsung Galaxy Note 2 when it comes out, not sure if i should try to convince her into getting an iphone5 or not

Why not let her get the Note II and try it out? Best case she (and and possibly you) find out you actually like Android and the larger form factor, worst case she doesn't like it, returns it and gets an iPhone.

zone23
Oct 9, 2012, 03:54 PM
I got the iPhone 5, and my girlfriend's contract just ended... She really wants to get Samsung Galaxy Note 2 when it comes out, not sure if i should try to convince her into getting an iphone5 or not

Get her wants she wants its the only way she will be happy. You're not Microsoft you cannot force the user to like.. wait what that got to do with anything.. just make her happy..

Rodimus Prime
Oct 9, 2012, 04:10 PM
There is an Array class.

Again you are making things up that I haven't typed.

Like more than one of us has pointed out you really do not know what you are talking about and it is showing. Stop pretending you have any understanding of Java, programming for android. Hell I would argue that your understanding of OOP is pretty poor by the fact that you called an Object a class.

You pointing to Java docs does not change the fact you really do not understand java at all.

Oletros
Oct 9, 2012, 05:42 PM
There is an Array class.


Yes, and?

You don't need to subclass it to have an array as you originally said.

God, you don't even need to instantiate it to have an array

String array[]= new String[3];

Ups, I have an array

cynics
Oct 9, 2012, 07:09 PM
Here are some recent articles from various sources you may enjoy:

Android users a prime target of malware - 9/5/2012
http://www.pcworld.com/article/261898/android_users_are_prime_target_for_malware.html

22% of Android users dumping their handset for an iphone5 - 9/5/2012
http://www.zdnet.com/22-percent-of-android-users-willing-to-dump-their-handset-for-iphone-5-7000003755/

iPhone ranks highest in customer satisfaction - 9/6/2012
http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/06/jd-power-iphone-ranks-highest-in-customer-satisfaction-for-8th-consecutive-study/

Why iOS apps look better than android apps - 4/8/2012
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/04/easier-design-apps-ios/

Here's how bad android's fragmentation problem is - 5/16/2012
http://mashable.com/2012/05/16/android-fragmentation-graphic/

iOS shoots ahead of android in enterprise app developer interest - 7/25/2012
http://www.bgr.com/2012/07/25/ios-android-enterprise-survey-app-developers/

iPhone has best resale value - 2/28/2012
http://www.fox47news.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1478909265001

Why developers still aren't smitten with Android - 3/21/2012
http://news.yahoo.com/android-app-apathy-why-developers-still-arent-smitten-191807568.html

iOS adoption rate higher than android - 5/9/2012
http://www.itproportal.com/2012/05/09/ios-511-already-on-10-per-cent-of-ios-devices/

Why iphone outperforms android even with a "Slower" processor - 10/11/2011
http://venturebeat.com/2011/10/11/iphone-4s-cpu-slower-than-ipad-2-still-faster-than-all-android-phones/

Developer Explains Why Android Sucks for Some Audio Apps - 5/24/2012
http://gizmodo.com/5913066/developer-explains-why-android-sucks-for-some-audio-apps

More Proof That Android Is Still Playing Catch Up To iPhone - 5/6/2012
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-05-06/tech/31591537_1_android-android-phones-iphone#ixzz25oeHyOtF

Top 10 Ways iOS Outdoes Android - 9/7/2012
http://lifehacker.com/5804230/top-10-ways-ios-outdoes-android

iPhone 5 Speed Test Results Shockingly Blows Galaxy S3 Away - 9/17/2012
http://areacellphone.com/2012/09/iphone-5-speed-test-results-shockingly-blows-galaxy-s3-away/

iPhone 5 Beats Everything In Javascript Benchmarks, Twice As Fast As iPhone 4S - 9/19/2012
http://www.cultofmac.com/191510/iphone-5-beats-everything-in-javascript-benchmarks-twice-as-fast-as-iphone-4s/#UDUAXJwaqAGuegf6.99

Apple's Siri trounces Samsung's S Voice (hands-on) - 9/20/2012
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57458122-85/apples-siri-trounces-samsungs-s-voice-hands-on/#!

Flagship Smartphone Display Technology Shoot-Out - 9/24/2012
http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_2.htm

IPhone 5 journal: Torture testing the battery - 9/26/2012
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/26/technology/iphone-5-review-battery/index.html?source=yahoo_quote

iPhone 5 vs. Galaxy S III in Durability Test - 9/25/2012
http://www.talkandroid.com/133524-iphone-5-vs-galaxy-s-iii-in-durability-test/

Wow, a Google search where all the pro Apple links were hand picked out. Quite a few of those have links for opposite findings. Regardless, if your mind is set on something that's all you can see....

F123D
Oct 9, 2012, 08:01 PM
I've used an iPhone the past four years but because I was jailbroken most of the time, I've never really had any complaints. I now have an iPhone 5 and with stock iOS6, the OS just feels soo boring and stale. Don't feel like waiting months any longer for an untethered jailbreak as well. I'm keeping an eye on the release of the Galaxy Note 2 and will be returning my iPhone shortly.

SlCKB0Y
Oct 9, 2012, 08:31 PM
Problem with android is fragmentation. That is indisputable. It is difficult for amateur developers and even companies to develop for android. Imagine how many devices with android oS there are, imagine the idea of having to test your app on every android device to see if it works

You don't have to test it on every phone to see if it works.

I love how this one gets brought up in support of how terrible Android is. Funnily enough it usually isn't the developers complaining but people who have never written a line of code in their life.

People have been writing software just fine for Windows, Linux and all other non-vertically integrated desktop platforms for decades without the sort of doomsday results you are spreading with your FUD. These desktop platforms are thousands of times more "fragmented" than Android will ever be, yet this isn't the massive issue that you claim it to be...funny that.

Google currently claim about 675,000 apps in the app store. This is roughly equal to iOS which had a significant head start. Hrmmm. If it is so insanely hard to develop applications for Android, then why are they being developed at a faster rate than on iOS?

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In android 4.1 jelly bean they sped up the OS by over-clocking the processor in order to interpret all that garbage so it doesn't appear sluggish. Completely inefficient operating system that will eventually choke itself to death.

Wow, wrong again!

With the so called "Project Butter" under Jelly Bean, Google's aim was to consistently get 60fps for OS interface animations. They have essentially achieved this.

They DID NOT do it by "over-clocking the processor", they did it by implementing vsync and triple buffering in graphics. They did it by tweaking the touch input code and allowing the CPU to ramp up to full speed more effectively to handle this increase in touch input speed.

At the same time as this, they released development tools called systrace to allow app developers to debug their code to make animations speedier.

At no point are they running the CPU beyond spec to achieve this (AKA over-clocking).

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 08:32 PM
And 600k of those apps are sound board or puzzle apps.

You don't have to test it on every phone to see if it works.

I love how this one gets brought up in support of how terrible Android is. Funnily enough it usually isn't the developers complaining but people who have never written a line of code in their life.

People have been writing software just fine for Windows, Linux and all other non-vertically integrated desktop platforms for decades without the sort of doomsday results you are spreading with your FUD. These desktop platforms are thousands of times more "fragmented" than Android will ever be, yet this isn't the massive issue that you claim it to be...funny that.

Google currently claim about 675,000 apps in the app store. This is roughly equal to iOS which had a significant head start. Hrmmm. If it is so insanely hard to develop applications for Android, then why are they being developed at a faster rate than on iOS?

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Wow, wrong again!

With the so called "Project Butter" under Jelly Bean, Google's aim was to consistently get 60fps for OS interface animations. They have essentially achieved this.

They DID NOT do it by "over-clocking the processor", they did it by implementing vsync and triple buffering in graphics. They did it by tweaking the touch input code and allowing the CPU to ramp up to full speed more effectively to handle this increase in touch input speed.

At the same time as this, they released development tools called systrace to allow app developers to debug their code to make animations speedier.

At no point are they running the CPU beyond spec to achieve this (AKA over-clocking).

SlCKB0Y
Oct 9, 2012, 08:35 PM
I can say that iOS is better than Android because I know how they work.

No... clearly you have almost no idea of how they both work.

Rodimus Prime
Oct 9, 2012, 08:44 PM
And 600k of those apps are sound board or puzzle apps.

and so are iOS apps what is your point?

Simple truth to the matter is 99% of the apps in both App stores are ****.

Icaras
Oct 9, 2012, 08:48 PM
really? icloud? lol. Even Steve Jobs hated how icloud turned out.

I'm coming from a Samsung Galaxy Nexus. Previously a 3GS owner, and moved to Android since then (Droid X, X2, Charge, Nexus).

The iphone 5 is perfection. The speed, the screen PQ, the precision/reliability, the overall dimensions. Personally I would prefer an even larger screen (4.5 maybe) but that is just me. Otherwise the phone is near perfect. Battery life has been amazing ever since the Verizon patch.

PERFECTION. And this is coming from someone that thought iOS was on its last legs.

Steve hated how MobileMe turned out, not iCloud.

But I'm with him. iCloud is a huge sticking point for me. And it's not just the way it syncs all my data. It's all my iTunes and Mac App content that exists on iCloud that really keeps me in. Just the other day I logged in to my parent's Apple TV at their house and was able to stream an HD movie from my purchased library. Having my movies and TV shows everywhere I go is awesome. I just love the convenience of Apple's ecosystem, brought together by iCloud.

SlCKB0Y
Oct 9, 2012, 08:51 PM
And 600k of those apps are sound board or puzzle apps.

Why let facts get in the way of your argument... right?

You *don't* remember having an almost identical discussion with me a few months ago do you?

It went like this:

You made these factually incorrect statements that a non-technical person might consider plausible, since they were reaffirming what the reader wanted to believe (that iOS was the "best" for technical reasons).

You threw around jargon and tried to sound like you knew what you were talking about.

I (and a few other people) were refuting your claims with very specific technical details on why you were wrong. Most of the time we posted replies with sources to back up our claims.

Rather than directly address these (because you couldn't), you'd take childish snipes at a particular fact we brought up. Of course you didn't back up your claim. Much like you've just done above claiming that there 600,000 out 675,00 apps on Google play are either "sound board or puzzle apps".

It went on for a while, with you ignoring technical details and making stupid inflammatory statements like you've just done.

Eventually you had nowhere else to go with your argument and you abruptly disappeared from the thread, never to be heard from again.

Lets see how THIS thread progresses. I'll refer back to this post in a few pages.

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 09:51 PM
Um what? Probably because you don't get sarcasm and you're very weird. I have a life so this stuff doesn't matter. You also misinterpret what I type to fulfill your own fantasy just so you can argue. Hence my disappearance because I don't deal with crazy and I don't care what you think.

Back to topic:
"Android applies a CPU input boost at the next touch event to make sure there’s no latency." http://developer.android.com/about/versions/jelly-bean.html

- what does CPU input boost sound like to you? I installed Jelly Bean on my transformer prime and 4.1 is definitely the OS that should have been released 2-3 years ago. Unfortunately you need a quad core phone with 2GB of RAM to run android 4.1. (that's called being facetious)

Why let facts get in the way of your argument... right?

You *don't* remember having an almost identical discussion with me a few months ago do you?

It went like this:

You made these factually incorrect statements that a non-technical person might consider plausible, since they were reaffirming what the reader wanted to believe (that iOS was the "best" for technical reasons).

You threw around jargon and tried to sound like you knew what you were talking about.

I (and a few other people) were refuting your claims with very specific technical details on why you were wrong. Most of the time we posted replies with sources to back up our claims.

Rather than directly address these (because you couldn't), you'd take childish snipes at a particular fact we brought up. Of course you didn't back up your claim. Much like you've just done above claiming that there 600,000 out 675,00 apps on Google play are either "sound board or puzzle apps".

It went on for a while, with you ignoring technical details and making stupid inflammatory statements like you've just done.

Eventually you had nowhere else to go with your argument and you abruptly disappeared from the thread, never to be heard from again.

Lets see how THIS thread progresses. I'll refer back to this post in a few pages.

dmelgar
Oct 9, 2012, 09:58 PM
The amount of fanboys in this thread is amusing.

Agreed. The number of Android and iPhone fanboys is high in this thread, as expected based on the thread subject. Its unfortunate when folks get upset and make unfounded claims. Very hard to have a reasonable discussion. Usually seems to turn into a shouting match.

3bs
Oct 9, 2012, 10:00 PM
Um what? Probably because you don't get sarcasm and you're very weird. I have a life so this stuff doesn't matter. You also misinterpret what I type to fulfill your own fantasy just so you can argue. Hence my disappearance because I don't deal with crazy and I don't care what you think.

Back to topic:
"Android applies a CPU input boost at the next touch event to make sure there’s no latency." http://developer.android.com/about/versions/jelly-bean.html

- what does CPU input boost sound like to you? I installed Jelly Bean on my transformer prime and 4.1 is definitely the OS that should have been released 2-3 years ago. Unfortunately you need a quad core phone with 2GB of RAM to run android 4.1. (that's called being facetious)

4.1 is running just fine on my international S3 with 1GB of RAM.

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 10:14 PM
I'm sure. It works great on my transformer prime. I have my doubts I'll ever see it on my htc rezound. It took 7 months just to get ICS. That's my biggest problem with android - fragmentation.

4.1 is running just fine on my international S3 with 1GB of RAM.

HappyJB
Oct 9, 2012, 10:21 PM
Pragmatous,

FUD!

My nexus has 1.2 ghz dual core processor and ONE giga ram. And it's been running jelly bean perfectly since July.

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 10:30 PM
Google should be the only company releasing android devices. That's just how I feel.

My nexus has 1.2 ghz SINGLE core processor and ONE giga ram. And it's been running jelly bean perfectly since July.

BoxerGT2.5
Oct 9, 2012, 10:36 PM
I'm sure. It works great on my transformer prime. I have my doubts I'll ever see it on my htc rezound. It took 7 months just to get ICS. That's my biggest problem with android - fragmentation.



How long did people wait for iOS 6?

pragmatous
Oct 9, 2012, 10:47 PM
They didn't. When it was released everyone who has an iphone 3gs or better can upgrade to iOS 6 at launch. In contrast with android where on average it is a 7 month wait and usually only the newest devices get the update. Not counting nexus devices since those are google devices.

How long did people wait for iOS 6?

BoxerGT2.5
Oct 9, 2012, 11:01 PM
They didn't. When it was released everyone who has an iphone 3gs or better can upgrade to iOS 6 at launch. In contrast with android where on average it is a 7 month wait and usually only the newest devices get the update. Not counting nexus devices since those are google devices.


That's not what I'm asking. iOS iterations come out once a year. You bought a phone with a OS, a new one came and you waited all of 7mos for it to hit your phone, that's not bad. A major update during a 2yr contract isn't a horrible thing. Have the 4S users gotten much? The got their maps app turned upside-down and half assed. Panorama? That's been available for at least a year on iOS, just not in the native camera app.

Timely updates aren't a android issue or a HTC or Samsung issue, it's a ATT and Verizon, ect issue.

3bs
Oct 9, 2012, 11:13 PM
Timely updates aren't a android issue or a HTC or Samsung issue, it's a ATT and Verizon, ect issue.

Which is one of the reasons why I always have and always will buy unlocked phones.

Oletros
Oct 10, 2012, 12:30 AM
"Android applies a CPU input boost at the next touch event to make sure there’s no latency." http://developer.android.com/about/versions/jelly-bean.html

- what does CPU input boost sound like to you?

Definitively it doesn't sound like overclocking. But one has to know only a little about what is talking about to know that.

Unfortunately you need a quad core phone with 2GB of RAM to run android 4.1. (that's called being facetious)

No, thats calling not knowing a **** about what you're talking.

But it is very clear that you don't know nothing about programming, operating systems or Android. Please, stop trolling

SlCKB0Y
Oct 10, 2012, 01:19 AM
Back to topic:
"Android applies a CPU input boost at the next touch event to make sure there’s no latency." http://developer.android.com/about/versions/jelly-bean.html

- what does CPU input boost sound like to you?

They did not say "CPU boost" (AKA over-clocking). What they did was adjust the CPU scheduler so that it can more quickly bring the CPU speed up from it's sleeping state up to the required level when reacting to input.

They did nothing whatever to modify the highest attainable speed of the CPU which would warrant your claim of "over-clocking".

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I have a life so this stuff doesn't matter.

Then why do you keep posting long responses full of inaccurate information in a sub-forum specifically pertaining to phones you don't have, running an OS you don't like?

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They didn't. When it was released everyone who has an iphone 3gs or better can upgrade to iOS 6 at launch.

iPad 1? It's newer and more powerful than the 3GS and yet it didn't get iOS6.

roxxette
Oct 10, 2012, 01:36 AM
and so are iOS apps what is your point?

Simple truth to the matter is 99% of the apps in both App stores are ****.

Wrong ! On ios they are fart apps.

SlCKB0Y
Oct 10, 2012, 01:48 AM
Problem with android is fragmentation. That is indisputable. It is difficult for amateur developers and even companies to develop for android. Imagine how many devices with android oS there are, imagine the idea of having to test your app on every android device to see if it works
....

Android is a virtual machine that runs on top of JIT.

Firstly, Android is not a "virtual machine that runs on top of JIT" as you are claiming. Android is an operating system which contains a virtual machine called Dalvik for running Java bytecode. Dalvik uses JIT as of Android 2.2 to increase speed.

Now, can anyone see the contradiction in criticising Android for both running apps in a virtual machine AND for the software development issues caused by having many different hardware configurations?

Come on Rodimus Prime , you seem to know what you're talking about!

Oletros
Oct 10, 2012, 02:20 AM
Firstly, Android is not a "virtual machine that runs on top of JIT" as you are claiming. Android is an operating system which contains a virtual machine called Dalvik for running Java bytecode.

Only a minor correction, Dalvik doesn't run Java bytecode, Java bytecode is translated to Dalvik bytecode when the app is compiled

SlCKB0Y
Oct 10, 2012, 02:54 AM
Only a minor correction, Dalvik doesn't run Java bytecode, Java bytecode is translated to Dalvik bytecode when the app is compiled

Correct. Cheers. The point I was trying to make was mainly with regards to pragmatous:


Now, can anyone see the contradiction in criticising Android for both running apps in a virtual machine AND for the software development issues caused by having many different hardware configurations?


Android is designed to run apps in a virtual machine because Google intended Android to run on numerous different hardware types. The VM allows for hardware abstraction.

The main issue between different Android handsets is screen resolution but, as it turns out, its not that big of a deal.

The exception to this is for applications such as video players with hardware decoding and some games. These types of apps are compiled for specific hardware and use the Android NDK.

Oletros
Oct 10, 2012, 03:32 AM
The exception to this is for applications such as video players with hardware decoding and some games. These types of apps are compiled for specific hardware and use the Android NDK.

Exactly, NDK apps like the ones you said or games are the ones that have the biggest "fragmentation" problems

flameproof
Oct 10, 2012, 03:40 AM
Q: Why is the iPhone better than Android phones?

A: It isn't.

hot spare
Oct 10, 2012, 05:01 AM
Q: Why is the iPhone better than Android phones?

A: It isn't.

Why compare Android to feature phones? iOS is an app launcher. The only thing apple tried to modify is Notification center (shamelessly copied from Android) and Maps.

HappyJB
Oct 10, 2012, 05:12 AM
Why compare Android to feature phones? iOS is an app launcher. The only thing apple tried to modify is Notification center (shamelessly copied from Android) and Maps.

I downloaded Fake iPhone Launcher on my Galaxy Nexus. It beats iPhone 4s in term of smoothness.

roxxette
Oct 10, 2012, 05:36 AM
I downloaded Fake iPhone Launcher on my Galaxy Nexus. It beats iPhone 4s in term of smoothness.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/10/a7abu2uh.jpg

HappyJB
Oct 10, 2012, 06:07 AM
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/10/a7abu2uh.jpg)

One more buddy. You would get an avatar

Markyboy81
Oct 10, 2012, 06:24 AM
I've come from an iPhone 4s and have considered the iPhone 5 but one important factor that I don't think anyone has mentioned is price. I picked up a refurbished 16gig galaxy s3 for 350 pounds whereas a new iPhone 5 is 150 pounds more expensive. My s3 doesn't have a mark on it and is as new, yet I doubt there will ever be any refurbished iPhone 5's for sale.
I've now ordered a 64gig memory card for under 40 pounds. The equivalent spec on an iPhone would cost almost 800 pounds!
Don't get me wrong I love apple products, but you can't deny they are over priced, especially when you consider getting more memory.
Maybe the iPhone is a 'better' product. But it certainly ain't twice as good.

blackhand1001
Oct 10, 2012, 06:50 AM
Problem with android is fragmentation. That is indisputable. It is difficult for amateur developers and even companies to develop for android. Imagine how many devices with android oS there are, imagine the idea of having to test your app on every android device to see if it works, now imagine only the top 3 phones are chosen to develop for because it is infeasible to test the app on every phone. You run into issues where app works for phone x but not for phone y. The app will probably crash for phone z. Now imagine that phone X, Y, and Z all run on different hardware. Good luck debugging.

on iOS you have one hardware software platform to develop for similar to developing apps for windows. It's a lot more intuitive so that is why the apps for iOS are a lot better than android. Also runs faster because it's native coding. At least most apps are native. Some companies try to develop in HTML 5 and that is just a bad idea.

edit:
Also to note on android a lot of companies take shortcuts and develop using XML. XML is interpreted like HTML is. Android is a virtual machine that runs on top of JIT. Just in time compilation. In layman terms all you need to know is that it is slower. SO you have XML code that is interpreted on top of a virtual machine that uses JIT. It's double interpreted and that is why you need such high powered hardware to run android efficiently. In android 4.1 jelly bean they sped up the OS by over-clocking the processor in order to interpret all that garbage so it doesn't appear sluggish. Completely inefficient operating system that will eventually choke itself to death.

Wow, so much garbage thats not true in one post. I don't even know where to start. Jellybean does not overclock the processor, nor does it take the cpu out of the low power state like you say. Second of all, android has never had a problem running multiple resolutions ever. Its not like ios where everything uses absolute coordinates and if apple changes resolution they are forced to do scaling or add black bars. I develop for cm10 and compile builds/submit changes to aosp. All you are doing is spewing anti-android garbage and using buzzwords like java, jit compilation, and VM's to make your post sound informed.

onthecouchagain
Oct 10, 2012, 07:03 AM
I'm guessing it's hard for dedicated iOS users to accept that Android has caught up and surpassed iOS.

There may be fanboys from both sides in this thread but it seems only one side is willing to talk honestly about both platforms. The other side seems to debating against an Android of yesteryear to prove that iOS is better. Pure obscurantism.

Very revealing.

craftytony
Oct 10, 2012, 08:22 AM
Wow, a Google search where all the pro Apple links were hand picked out. Quite a few of those have links for opposite findings. Regardless, if your mind is set on something that's all you can see....

He had a question and I provided some answers. If you are in love with Android so much then you should provide those links that show opposite findings. I guess it's just easier for you to troll...

pragmatous
Oct 10, 2012, 11:50 AM
Yes it does. It's called CPU input boost.

Wow, so much garbage thats not true in one post. I don't even know where to start. Jellybean does not overclock the processor, nor does it take the cpu out of the low power state like you say. Second of all, android has never had a problem running multiple resolutions ever. Its not like ios where everything uses absolute coordinates and if apple changes resolution they are forced to do scaling or add black bars. I develop for cm10 and compile builds/submit changes to aosp. All you are doing is spewing anti-android garbage and using buzzwords like java, jit compilation, and VM's to make your post sound informed.

cynics
Oct 10, 2012, 12:00 PM
He had a question and I provided some answers. If you are in love with Android so much then you should provide those links that show opposite findings. I guess it's just easier for you to troll...

No I was just pointing out the obvious. I don't need to own an Android device to see what you did there.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/11/bevu8yzy.jpg

Links are fine as a source but you didn't have any input. Why not just say, it's better because you were able to find someone else that says so.

Oletros
Oct 10, 2012, 12:20 PM
Yes it does. It's called CPU input boost.

Please, stop embarrassing yourself with your lack of knowledge.

There is no overclocking, boosting the cpu to care for the touch input from its actual state is not overclocking, the cpu never exceed its maximum nominal frequency

blackhand1001
Oct 10, 2012, 12:36 PM
Yes it does. It's called CPU input boost.

Its not why it makes programs run faster. You can set the governor to ondemand and it is still smooth. Also cpu input boost has nothing to do with what goes on when your finger is not touching the screen nor does it overclock the cpu.

pragmatous
Oct 10, 2012, 12:57 PM
"the OS will apply a CPU “input boost” at the next touch event, to make sure the CPU is ramped up to speed so there’s no latency." - http://pocketnow.com/2012/06/27/what-is-googles-project-butter-and-why-its-so-awesome/

Perhaps "overclock" is the wrong term but it does boost the clock of the CPU to max.

While that seems like an awesome addition I question why it's needed.

Its not why it makes programs run faster. You can set the governor to ondemand and it is still smooth. Also cpu input boost has nothing to do with what goes on when your finger is not touching the screen nor does it overclock the cpu.

blackhand1001
Oct 10, 2012, 03:19 PM
"the OS will apply a CPU “input boost” at the next touch event, to make sure the CPU is ramped up to speed so there’s no latency." - http://pocketnow.com/2012/06/27/what-is-googles-project-butter-and-why-its-so-awesome/

Perhaps "overclock" is the wrong term but it does boost the clock of the CPU to max.

While that seems like an awesome addition I question why it's needed.

Its really not needed. Using the ondemand governor works fine which doesn't have CPU input boost. It also doesn't always get used even on interactive.

Rodimus Prime
Oct 10, 2012, 04:20 PM
"the OS will apply a CPU “input boost” at the next touch event, to make sure the CPU is ramped up to speed so there’s no latency." - http://pocketnow.com/2012/06/27/what-is-googles-project-butter-and-why-its-so-awesome/

Perhaps "overclock" is the wrong term but it does boost the clock of the CPU to max.

While that seems like an awesome addition I question why it's needed.

and the kicker is more than likely iOS does a trick like that as well. Big time considering how important Apple makes everything not lagging at all. For the most part project butter was optimization to how the UI code works.

cynics
Oct 10, 2012, 04:44 PM
"the OS will apply a CPU “input boost” at the next touch event, to make sure the CPU is ramped up to speed so there’s no latency." - http://pocketnow.com/2012/06/27/what-is-googles-project-butter-and-why-its-so-awesome/

Perhaps "overclock" is the wrong term but it does boost the clock of the CPU to max.

While that seems like an awesome addition I question why it's needed.

Android has a lot going on. iOS freezes pretty much everything to prioritize user input. Easiest example is a web browser, if you catch it before it done loading and start scrolling it will stop downloading and loading until you stop scrolling. The alternative is the opposite, the app will lock out user input completely until its done. Tapatalk is the easiest example, when its loading you are waiting.

Android can/will do both load and allow user input.

I don't mind the way either do it. I like Android on a tablet because I try to use it like a laptop. I prefer iOS on a phone because I'm rarely trying to do multiple task and have things running in the background.

batting1000
Oct 10, 2012, 05:21 PM
It doesn't have the best CPU and GPU in the market. There are different benchmarks out there that show different results. In one benchmark Galaxy S3 got 1800 with geekbench, and the others got 1600-1700, so it's quite the same.

What matters is real world performance, not benchmarks that spew out numbers which don't translate to how the device actually performs in everyday use.

No, it's not. Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) works as good as iOS.

That's subjective.

Samsung's S3 battery is better. It has super compact and light feel because you have tiny screen. Yes, Samsung has plastic cover on the back, but you can change your battery if you need too. In iPhone you can't.

Subjective as well. Sure the GS3 battery may have more mAh, but again, that doesn't automatically translate to better real world battery performance. Depends on how you use it. As a side note, I've never encountered a situation with my iPad, old iPod touch 4 and 2G, or iPhone 4S/5 where I had to remove the battery or felt the need to.

23% difference. All major apps are available on both platforms.

Ok. Find me apps like Tweetbot, OmniFocus, Clear, Reeder, etc, on the Play Store. The app quality just doesn't compare to iOS. Look at the Chrome app for iOS. It supports more devices / OS versions through iOS than it does on it's native platform (Android)...

After a week with a 4.5+ inch screen, you would never want to comeback to 4 inch and below screens. It would even look funny to you.

Also subjective. I went from the iPhone 4S to the Epic 4G Touch (Sprint's GS2) and back to the 4S (and now the 5) with no issue.



^

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Why compare Android to feature phones? iOS is an app launcher. The only thing apple tried to modify is Notification center (shamelessly copied from Android) and Maps.

So I guess that means Android / Google "shamelessly" copied slide to unlock? Of course not, Google would never do that! :rolleyes:

Your arguments are invalid.

pragmatous
Oct 10, 2012, 06:42 PM
They're putting a bandaid on it with tripple buffering and forcing a CPU clock increase.

I would argue that iOS doesn't have to do that because it does things smarter than android.

Android may never be as smooth as iOS, says ex-Googler (http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/)


and the kicker is more than likely iOS does a trick like that as well. Big time considering how important Apple makes everything not lagging at all. For the most part project butter was optimization to how the UI code works.

Vetvito
Oct 10, 2012, 06:43 PM
Some of you are acting like you're debating for your life. It's just mobile OS's people, get a grip.

Some like one over another, neither is better. No one is wrong for their choice.

roxxette
Oct 10, 2012, 06:45 PM
Some of you are acting like you're debating for your life. It's just mobile OS's people, get a grip.

Some like one over another, neither is better. No one is wrong for their choice.

Beat me to it ! Get a G R I P people :eek:

ixodes
Oct 10, 2012, 07:07 PM
Problem with android is fragmentation. That is indisputable. .
While I respect your personal choice to believe this, it's completely irrelevant.

Yet it is true that hoards of iPhone lovers have propagated this as a problem, I've had great Android experiences with every rev of the OS since ver 2.2.

Only the obsessed "have to have the latest" update. Heck my brother is still enjoying iOS 4.3.x. And how could that be? Simple really. It does everything he wants it to do, so there's no reason to upgrade.

I've given him demo's of every rev of iOS to date so he can see what's new. Nothing he's seen is of interest.

I can relate. All my 2010 MBP's & MBA's are on Snow Leopard 10.6.8 by my choice.

The 2012 ver of Mountain Lion I'm running is only there because it was preloaded on the MBA as shipped by Apple.

So you see, it's no different than anything else. It's all a matter of preferences.

Android vs iPhone in general ?

I like the both equally, that's my truth. Each has their Pro's & Cons, which makes it fun to have both. Why Compare?

I have no reason to.

If you're only going to buy one, get what you want. It's as easy as that.

SlCKB0Y
Oct 10, 2012, 08:05 PM
Android may never be as smooth as iOS, says ex-Googler (http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/)

You're quoting an article which was written in December last year just after the release of Ice Cream Sandwich and over 6 months before Jelly Bean which resolves the issues discussed in the article.

Furthermore, the article is based on opinion, not from a person who was ever a Google employee, but from a student who was doing an internship at Google.

Kohkane
Oct 10, 2012, 11:13 PM
I've used android for 4 years now. I had an iPod Touch but opted to go with android while it was still growing. Once the android offers started getting better, I sold my iPod Touch and opted for putting all my music onto my phone. I just wanted clear up some things that I've read in this thread. (So I'm just going to jump around a lot.)


"After a week with a 4.5+ inch screen, you would never want to comeback to 4 inch and below screens. It would even look funny to you."

This isn't true at all. My last phone was the HTC Evo 4g LTE, my phone before that was the Samsung GII, and the HTC Sensation, and the HTC HD7 all four phones had 4+ inch screens and I had no issue switching to a 4in screen. a .5 difference isn't all that bad as you would assume, and I actually prefer the nice change because I can actually comfortable hold my phone.


The bad thing about Android now, is fragmentation. The phones can barely hold resale value like the iPhone can, and the fact that a new android phone comes out almost every two months with varying software doesn't help at all. This problem can be fixed with rooting your phone, just like jail-breaking an iPhone, you can easily fix any issue you find with a simple root and ROM. That was always a nice thing about Android. Something you can't do with Windows phones.


Personally, I think it all comes down to which one you like more. You can sit here and rant about Android vs iOS vs Windows all day long, but until you try all three you can never get an actual feel for the phones. After using android for so long, I became bored and wanted something different. Jellybean does make android smooth, but it still doesn't make it "work", after switching I noticed that iOS overall is just smoother and more put together, this is something that Windows phone does perfectly as well. The main three smartphone OS's are W8, iOS, and Android, each bring a different game to the plate but all go almost head to head with each other.

HappyJB
Oct 11, 2012, 12:12 AM
Jellybean does make android smooth, but it still doesn't make it "work",

So, what jelly bean did not work for you? It must be substantial to call "doesn't make it work“

Kohkane
Oct 11, 2012, 12:29 AM
So, what jelly bean did not work for you? It must be substantial to call "doesn't make it work“

I guess I should explain more. What I mean by it just doesn't "work" is the fact that, on the iPhone everything is just easier to do, usually you don't need to have a ROM built by someone else because the phone was missing features that it should of came with, you don't have to go through a thousands app to replace your keyboard so you have on that works, and so on. I loved the choices, but after four years of that I got sick of it. The reason I like iOS and windows phone so much was because it just worked. The music app was perfect, the keyboard was perfect, etc.

Oletros
Oct 11, 2012, 01:21 AM
I guess I should explain more. What I mean by it just doesn't "work" is the fact that, on the iPhone everything is just easier to do, usually you don't need to have a ROM built by someone else because the phone was missing features that it should of came with

Examples of those features missing?

, you don't have to go through a thousands app to replace your keyboard so you have on that works,


What didn't worked in the stock keyboard?

The music app was perfect, the keyboard was perfect, etc.

Highly subjective, iOS, WP or Android stock keyboards are far from perfect

HappyJB
Oct 11, 2012, 01:33 AM
I guess I should explain more. What I mean by it just doesn't "work" is the fact that, on the iPhone everything is just easier to do, usually you don't need to have a ROM built by someone else because the phone was missing features that it should of came with, you don't have to go through a thousands app to replace your keyboard so you have on that works, and so on. I loved the choices, but after four years of that I got sick of it. The reason I like iOS and windows phone so much was because it just worked. The music app was perfect, the keyboard was perfect, etc.

Keyboard! First time I hear that jelly bean keyboard doesn't work. Yes, choices are there, if you prefer others. From Swyping.

Kohkane
Oct 11, 2012, 01:34 AM
Examples of those features missing?




What didn't worked in the stock keyboard?



Highly subjective, iOS, WP or Android stock keyboards are far from perfect

Have you tried Froyo, or GB keyboards? They're awful compared to iOS and WP. ICS is better but not even close. Autocorrect is shoddy, typing on it is difficult, and most people switch to alternatives because of difficult use.

As for the music apps, same thing. Have you used the stock music app? These have improved in jellybean, but still don't compare. Visually or feature wise.

Markyboy81
Oct 11, 2012, 01:46 AM
Have you tried Froyo, or GB keyboards? They're awful compared to iOS and WP. ICS is better but not even close. Autocorrect is shoddy, typing on it is difficult, and most people switch to alternatives because of difficult use.

As for the music apps, same thing. Have you used the stock music app? These have improved in jellybean, but still don't compare. Visually or feature wise.

I agree that the stock keyboard app in ics is poor but I didn't have to go through a thousand apps to replace it. I just googled 'best android keyboard app' and was recommended SwiftKey, which I'm finding far more intuitive than the ios keyboard.
Thanks to the wealth of information on the internet it's far easier to customise your phone, even for an amateur like me!

Oletros
Oct 11, 2012, 01:53 AM
Have you tried Froyo, or GB keyboards? They're awful compared to iOS and WP. ICS is better but not even close. Autocorrect is shoddy, typing on it is difficult, and most people switch to alternatives because of difficult use.

As for the music apps, same thing. Have you used the stock music app? These have improved in jellybean, but still don't compare. Visually or feature wise.

Not perfect is not the same that not working.

And still waiting those features missing that forces putting a custom ROM


And there's a big difference, if you don't like the stock keyboard or the stock and app or do you like more systems like Swype, you can change it

SlCKB0Y
Oct 11, 2012, 09:37 PM
Have you tried Froyo, or GB keyboards? They're awful compared to iOS and WP.

Yea? and iOS previously didn't have cut and paste functionality. Your point?

Please backup your claim that most people don't use the stock keyboard..


As for the music apps, same thing. Have you used the stock music app? These have improved in jellybean, but still don't compare. Visually or feature wise.

How is this not one of the strengths of Android? If for some reason you don't like the stock app, you just change it to default to something else.

Apple Maps? If Google screwed up their mapping solution it would not be an issue. Android users would just switch the default to something else.

Rodimus Prime
Oct 11, 2012, 11:17 PM
I guess I should explain more. What I mean by it just doesn't "work" is the fact that, on the iPhone everything is just easier to do, usually you don't need to have a ROM built by someone else because the phone was missing features that it should of came with, you don't have to go through a thousands app to replace your keyboard so you have on that works, and so on. I loved the choices, but after four years of that I got sick of it. The reason I like iOS and windows phone so much was because it just worked. The music app was perfect, the keyboard was perfect, etc.

Thousands of Apps to replace the keyboards??? Really. There are 2 big names ones out there, Swiftkey and Swype. Take your pick. Hell most phones have Swype installed by DEFAULT. So again what are you talking about.

The only phones that tend to lack Swype are phones like the Nexus which then you just download it and if you have a nexus you tend to know what you are doing.

I will give you that the stock keyboards are not good but saying iOS keyboard is perfect. Come on it is not much better than Android stock and both swype and Swiftkey blow it out of the water by a long shot.

Gnomepatrol
Oct 11, 2012, 11:40 PM
Just curious on what you guys think...

I would, personally, only compare the Nexus line (true android) versus the iphone.

Fragmentation can't really be used as an argument now in this case as Apple just fragmented the apps by changing their iphone's aspect ratio. They both have phones in 4:3 and 16:9 now.

Smoothness is often brought up. Jelly bean and operation buttery smooth have solved that with the 60 fps. Sister has a galaxy nexus and it is indeed buttery smooth. That lead is erased from the iphone now.

App quality and ease of development. They both have their quarks and shortcomings, but I still feel Apple and Obj-c has a lead here.

Build quality is good on both. With different takes. The HTC Nexus is a quality feel product, the Samsung's are tough and take falls with relative easy. The plastic really doesn't have a cheap feeling to it at all. Iphone, as always, has good build quality. Although it does feel like a long remote, nothing a nice case won't fix, and has quality control and scratch issues. Toss up on this.

Screen, both are good Super AMOLED vs IPS. IPS has better more correct colors. The Super AMOLED has great, possibly over, saturation and is really easy to see in bright or direct sunlight. Iphone made strides to the sunlight issue though. Slight lead, in my opinion, to the iphone for the better color reproduction.

Cameras, wash they both are midrange and have a lot of distortion and noise upon closer inspection.

I can go on and on. Ultimately thought it comes down to what you like and what ecosystem are you vested in. If you are mac centric grab and iphone, if you are windows or linux centric grab a droid. Droid can sync into the mac environment as well. Either way don't ask people about which is better as it is an opinion thing. Try and decide for yourself and leave it as that.

cynics
Oct 12, 2012, 01:49 PM
The iPhone keyboard is good? You've got to be kidding me, if I could it would be very high on my things to change list.

Autocorrect is terrible, it changes my so to do quite often. It forcefully does this too so I need to stop it. The suggestions can't be changed or adjusted. I need to delete the entire user dictionary instead of just one word. I can't make remember things, like a strange word or name. With alot of apps the suggestions are on the bottom where I can't cancel them (tapatalk).

The keyboard itself doesn't show capital/lower case. I have to menu dive to get too []]{{###%^**+= etc.

All this stuff is good on Android's stock keyboard. And if you still hate it then it takes 2 minutes to download a new one from the play store.

(I just notice my iPhone didn't space "alot" above)

onthecouchagain
Oct 12, 2012, 04:37 PM
I've always said the iOS keyboard is terrible and one of the things of iOS that desperately needs updating and improvement.

The keyboard and its autocorrection system gave birth to the entire internet phenom known as "Damn You iPhone Auto Correction." It's appallingly bad.

Dmaynard83
Oct 12, 2012, 10:59 PM
I've always said the iOS keyboard is terrible and one of the things of iOS that desperately needs updating and improvement.

The keyboard and its autocorrection system gave birth to the entire internet phenom known as "Damn You iPhone Auto Correction." It's appallingly bad.

I love the keyboard and auto-correction is awesome. Of course there will always be haters out there and will try to find flaws with it - hence the stupid videos.

Coming from an android device I find the keyboard much more snappy, responsive and all around easier to use.

iOS + optimization of the hardware to software is the simple reason why iPhone is better.

cynics
Oct 12, 2012, 11:39 PM
Ugh sometimes I'm embarrassed to be an iPhone user.... :)

Oletros
Oct 13, 2012, 01:58 AM
Of course there will always be haters out there and will try to find flaws with it - hence the stupid videos.

Oh, the irony

Dontazemebro
Oct 13, 2012, 08:44 AM
I love how ifanboys always revert to the "it doesn't work as well as iphone" card and then fall completely on their face when asked to back up they're regurgitated assumptions.

You say the iphone keyboard is perfect? LAWL

It wouldn't even beat out the the top 3 keyboards on Android.

TG1
Oct 13, 2012, 08:53 AM
Probably the biggest thing I miss coming from Android is the Swiftkey keyboard. It saved me sooooo many keystrokes with the word prediction. That said, for plain old regular typing, the responsiveness and accuracy of the iPhone's keyboard is top notch.

Vetvito
Oct 13, 2012, 10:35 AM
Only thing I actually liked about Windows Phone was the keyboard. Now I got it on Android, sweet.

I have color keyboard on my iPhone , it's pretty cool.

alanudi
Feb 21, 2013, 01:12 PM
Just curious on what you guys think...
I actually signed up to the forum because I saw this question, and felt I just have to include my OPINION:

In all honesty, I use to be an Apple lover, but at this point, I cannot find a better way to answer your question than this:

iPhones are good for non-computer literate people, like children, or older adults, and tweens. It's the phone I recommend to anyone in those groups, and they are always extremely happy with their choice. This is because iPhones are intentionally limited in what they can do. When computer-friendly people use iPhones they often come to me asking how to do things, and my most common response is: "darn, see that's so easy to do on Android" (think of opengarden, notifications (now copied by iOS) and the ability to choose default program (such as a browser)) These are "intuitive" things that iOS users would love, but Apple knows that it's too complicated for the age groups I mentioned above to understand those things, so they don't let you do it because i uses more processor, which uses more battery (which cannot be changed). This adding up?

Androids are good for computer literate people, like most of us here on the forums. I have countless friends who, like me, used to love iPhones, but after trying the latest Android phones, we actually feel stupid for touting the superiority of iPhones so ignorantly. I cannot believe just how awesome Android is, not to mention the open-source nature of it all. I haven't seen any real improvements to iOS, except for the 4" screen, which is 2 years behind the game anyways. (again, because of the battery issues)

It took me a long time to accept it, but those are the key differences when you break it all down.

In the end, you should identify your needs, talk to users of both phones, test some out, and in the end, get an Android ;) Unless, of course, you hate choosing what you wear in the morning and prefer to be told what to do. Some people are into that :P and they should get iPhones.

Dmaynard83
Feb 21, 2013, 01:14 PM
I actually signed up to the forum because I saw this question, and felt I just have to include my OPINION:

In all honesty, I use to be an Apple lover, but at this point, I cannot find a better way to answer your question than this:

iPhones are good for non-computer literate people, like children, or older adults, and tweens. It's the phone I recommend to anyone in those groups, and they are always extremely happy with their choice. This is because iPhones are intentionally limited in what they can do. When computer-friendly people use iPhones they often come to me asking how to do things, and my most common response is: "darn, see that's so easy to do on Android" (think of opengarden, notifications (now copied by iOS) and the ability to choose default program (such as a browser)) These are "intuitive" things that iOS users would love, but Apple knows that it's too complicated for the age groups I mentioned above to understand those things, so they don't let you do it because i uses more processor, which uses more battery (which cannot be changed). This adding up?

Androids are good for computer literate people, like most of us here on the forums. I have countless friends who, like me, used to love iPhones, but after trying the latest Android phones, we actually feel stupid for touting the superiority of iPhones so ignorantly. I cannot believe just how awesome Android is, not to mention the open-source nature of it all. I haven't seen any real improvements to iOS, except for the 4" screen, which is 2 years behind the game anyways. (again, because of the battery issues)

It took me a long time to accept it, but those are the key differences when you break it all down.

In the end, you should identify your needs, talk to users of both phones, test some out, and in the end, get an Android ;) Unless, of course, you hate choosing what you wear in the morning and prefer to be told what to do. Some people are into that :P and they should get iPhones.

Wrong.

alanudi
Feb 21, 2013, 01:21 PM
Wrong.

you've enticed me, go on...

jrswizzle
Feb 21, 2013, 04:38 PM
I actually signed up to the forum because I saw this question, and felt I just have to include my OPINION:

In all honesty, I use to be an Apple lover, but at this point, I cannot find a better way to answer your question than this:

iPhones are good for non-computer literate people, like children, or older adults, and tweens. It's the phone I recommend to anyone in those groups, and they are always extremely happy with their choice. This is because iPhones are intentionally limited in what they can do. When computer-friendly people use iPhones they often come to me asking how to do things, and my most common response is: "darn, see that's so easy to do on Android" (think of opengarden, notifications (now copied by iOS) and the ability to choose default program (such as a browser)) These are "intuitive" things that iOS users would love, but Apple knows that it's too complicated for the age groups I mentioned above to understand those things, so they don't let you do it because i uses more processor, which uses more battery (which cannot be changed). This adding up?

Androids are good for computer literate people, like most of us here on the forums. I have countless friends who, like me, used to love iPhones, but after trying the latest Android phones, we actually feel stupid for touting the superiority of iPhones so ignorantly. I cannot believe just how awesome Android is, not to mention the open-source nature of it all. I haven't seen any real improvements to iOS, except for the 4" screen, which is 2 years behind the game anyways. (again, because of the battery issues)

It took me a long time to accept it, but those are the key differences when you break it all down.

In the end, you should identify your needs, talk to users of both phones, test some out, and in the end, get an Android ;) Unless, of course, you hate choosing what you wear in the morning and prefer to be told what to do. Some people are into that :P and they should get iPhones.

I would disagree - I think of myself as pretty computer literate and I keep up with most everything going on in the tech world - especially mobile.

I've been an iPhone user since 2008 and have since owned all Apple products. Despite the fact I know what I'm doing and enjoy tech very much, I don't necessarily want to spend hours upon hours tweaking my phone (like I have with my Nexus 4).

I would agree that the iPhone is a great suggestion for those who aren't computer-savvy (my mother-in-law and grandmother-in-law for sure would never understand/appreciate Android - even now that it's gotten simpler) but I don't agree its limited to only these people.

Using both side-by-side is my ultimate preference (heck if I had the disposable income, I'd buy one of each platform and keep em all if they piqued my interest) but if I had to choose one, it would be my iPhone.

One focuses on the app experience, the other focuses on the OS/customization. A computer literate person can enjoy both equally.

To answer the OP's question - what makes the iPhone better FOR ME has to do with a combination of hardware (I actually like the screen size and don't want/understand this "bigger is better" mentality with smartphones) and software and the integration between the two in the iPhone as well as with my other Apple products. I'm not a tinkerer and prefer my OS to blend into the background so I can experience the wide variety of apps available to do the things I need to do.

Does it have flaws? Sure it does. So does every piece of technology. But the fact that my phone simply backs itself up to the cloud every night without any input from me, the fact all my pictures/documents/music/videos are synced between my desktop, phone, iPad, and TV's via AppleTV for viewing/listening at any time, the fact I can easily communicate with others via iMessage, FaceTime or through photos in Shared PhotoStreams - all of these things work with very minimal input at the beginning and almost none ongoing.

These are the reasons the iPhone is my preference but I also recognize the strengths of Android and enjoy my Nexus 4 very much as well - I can see why there are others (more into customization and finely tuning to their own wants) prefer Android. It's simply a matter of which philosophy you most identify with.

And I hope the other platforms (WP8 and BB10) gain as well. The more competition the better!

matttye
Feb 21, 2013, 04:53 PM
I actually signed up to the forum because I saw this question, and felt I just have to include my OPINION:

In all honesty, I use to be an Apple lover, but at this point, I cannot find a better way to answer your question than this:

iPhones are good for non-computer literate people, like children, or older adults, and tweens. It's the phone I recommend to anyone in those groups, and they are always extremely happy with their choice. This is because iPhones are intentionally limited in what they can do. When computer-friendly people use iPhones they often come to me asking how to do things, and my most common response is: "darn, see that's so easy to do on Android" (think of opengarden, notifications (now copied by iOS) and the ability to choose default program (such as a browser)) These are "intuitive" things that iOS users would love, but Apple knows that it's too complicated for the age groups I mentioned above to understand those things, so they don't let you do it because i uses more processor, which uses more battery (which cannot be changed). This adding up?

Androids are good for computer literate people, like most of us here on the forums. I have countless friends who, like me, used to love iPhones, but after trying the latest Android phones, we actually feel stupid for touting the superiority of iPhones so ignorantly. I cannot believe just how awesome Android is, not to mention the open-source nature of it all. I haven't seen any real improvements to iOS, except for the 4" screen, which is 2 years behind the game anyways. (again, because of the battery issues)

It took me a long time to accept it, but those are the key differences when you break it all down.

In the end, you should identify your needs, talk to users of both phones, test some out, and in the end, get an Android ;) Unless, of course, you hate choosing what you wear in the morning and prefer to be told what to do. Some people are into that :P and they should get iPhones.

I'm computer literate but I don't need my PHONE to be as open as a PC, when I have my PC for that.

Used Android for three years and I don't miss the features I've lost by going back to iOS. There are some things I really like about my iPhone (people who've seen me post on here will have seen this ad nauseum), which are: I can leave everything switched on (WiFi, push email, push notifications, bluetooth, etc) and battery life is still very good; my iPhone connects to my car's bluetooth every time I get in my car (both my Galaxy S2 & S3 were hit and miss); I can talk to my friends and the mrs on iMessage using both my iPad and iPhone.

I don't need to do anything technically challenging when I'm out and about. If I had a job which required me to do that, then I would reconsider my options.

daveathall
Feb 21, 2013, 05:05 PM
I have recently come to the conclusion that the iPhone isn't better than a top of the range Android phone. I don't think that Android is better than the iPhone either. I just think that they are different, it is all down to preference, and the one that is preferred by you at this period of time could be argued is the best (for you) I enjoy both platforms but prefer Android at the moment, I'm not so stuck in my ways that I can't change, TBH I probably will at some stage, and further down the line switch again.

I think that we are nearing the law of diminishing returns, and that technology for the time being, will only take small steps forward no matter the platform. I still await the "wow" factor/device/app with anticipation. :)

soulreaver99
Feb 21, 2013, 05:08 PM
I'm not sure how people are getting good battery life with the iPhone 5. Just leave the phone off the charger overnight and it will drain from 100% to 80% or lower for doing NOTHING. It's a joke. I have both the Note 2 and the iPhone 5 and have used both extensively - the Note 2 and even the Galaxy S3 win every time and that's with WiFi and Bluetooth on at the same time on all devices.

I tried going back to the iPhone 5 to use for an entire day just for the hell of it but lacking the back button, LED notification lights, and having a small screen makes me glad I have the Note 2 as a full time phone. I could care less about iMessage as the people who matter have WhatsApp and FaceBook Chat anyway.

What the iPhone 5 does better, IMO is that it definitely takes better low light photos without having to use a flash (pictures with flash however are terrible) and has a good form factor for one handed use. Oh and it does emojis better than Android :rolleyes: Other than that, I'm sticking with the Note 2 for what I need it for! :)

matttye
Feb 21, 2013, 05:13 PM
I have recently come to the conclusion that the iPhone isn't better than a top of the range Android phone. I don't think that Android is better than the iPhone either. I just think that they are different, it is all down to preference, and the one that is preferred by you at this period of time could be argued is the best (for you) I enjoy both platforms but prefer Android at the moment, I'm not so stuck in my ways that I can't change, TBH I probably will at some stage, and further down the line switch again.

I think that we are nearing the law of diminishing returns, and that technology for the time being, will only take small steps forward no matter the platform. I still await the "wow" factor/device/app with anticipation. :)

Agreed.

I don't think the next wow device will be a phone; I think it will be a wearable computing device.

I'm not sure how people are getting good battery life with the iPhone 5. Just leave the phone off the charger overnight and it will drain from 100% to 80% or lower for doing NOTHING. It's a joke. I have both the Note 2 and the iPhone 5 and have used both extensively - the Note 2 and even the Galaxy S3 win every time and that's with WiFi and Bluetooth on at the same time on all devices.

I tried going back to the iPhone 5 to use for an entire day just for the hell of it but lacking the back button, LED notification lights, and having a small screen makes me glad I have the Note 2 as a full time phone. I could care less about iMessage as the people who matter have WhatsApp and FaceBook Chat anyway.

What the iPhone 5 does better, IMO is that it definitely takes better low light photos without having to use a flash (pictures with flash however are terrible) and has a good form factor for one handed use. Oh and it does emojis better than Android :rolleyes: Other than that, I'm sticking with the Note 2 for what I need it for! :)

Took my phone off the charger at 7am when I got up. It's now 11pm and I have 55% battery remaining, having used it all day. I'll be putting it on charge when I go to bed in about ten minutes.

I've never really come close to draining the battery completely unless I've deliberately tried to do so.

Push everything on, wifi on, bluetooth on, auto brightness on with the slider at about 25%.

My S3 would be quite a bit lower by now. I had to turn wifi and bluetooth off when not in use for it to safely survive the day.

Love both devices though, and I'm sure I'd love the Note too :D I'll be tempted by the S4 but I need to stay strong and not get it 'cause I'm saving money!

siiip5
Feb 21, 2013, 05:57 PM
After reading most of this, it looks like the only thing people agree on is that the iPhone takes better low light photos. Other than that, nothing but yada, yada.

I enjoy my S3 and my Nex7. Both are true multitasking mini computers. I could never go back to an iOS device. It would feel to much like time warping back to 2007.

sentinelsx
Feb 21, 2013, 06:20 PM
The stock ios keyboard on my iPhone 5 is far from perfect. The autocorrect is extremely annoying. The only choices given are " you allow it or not", typical apple style.

Again thank god for jailbreak to allow me to install autocorrect tweaks.

But I guess the fanboys will be quick to label everyone as a hater if they don't like kissing apple's rear.

Irishman
Feb 21, 2013, 06:42 PM
On MacRumors forum:
iPhone is for smart people.
Android is for dumb people.

On Android forum:
Android is for smart people.
iPhone is for dumb people.

Pretty much sums it up. :D

Seriously, whatever works for you.

How dare you make a well-reasoned point!?! :P

marc11
Feb 21, 2013, 08:12 PM
Maybe it has been said already but the iPhone is hardware, Android is software, there is zero comparison.

So the OP should ask why is the iPhone better than X phone or why is iOS better than Android.

The original question is sort of like me asking, why is a Macbook better than Windows?

RenoG
Feb 22, 2013, 06:33 PM
This is like asking why people like purple more than lavender.
:confused:

SeanR1
Feb 22, 2013, 07:04 PM
This is like asking why people like purple more than lavender.
:confused:

Because purple is simple and "just works". Lavender is way too complicated, and it "stutters" in certain lighting. :)

Tinmania
Feb 22, 2013, 07:18 PM
Because purple is simple and "just works". Lavender is way too complicated, and it "stutters" in certain lighting. :)
And good luck getting updates for Lavender.




Michael

Sounds Good
Feb 22, 2013, 10:18 PM
How difficult is it to switch from purple to lavender?

technowar
Feb 23, 2013, 07:10 AM
Lavender and purple looks the same to me, or is there something wrong with me?

3bs
Feb 23, 2013, 12:11 PM
The stock ios keyboard on my iPhone 5 is far from perfect. The autocorrect is extremely annoying. The only choices given are " you allow it or not", typical apple style.

Again thank god for jailbreak to allow me to install autocorrect tweaks.

But I guess the fanboys will be quick to label everyone as a hater if they don't like kissing apple's rear.

Which tweaks do you use?

Nikhil72
Feb 23, 2013, 12:45 PM
I'm not sure how people are getting good battery life with the iPhone 5. Just leave the phone off the charger overnight and it will drain from 100% to 80% or lower for doing NOTHING. It's a joke. I have both the Note 2 and the iPhone 5 and have used both extensively - the Note 2 and even the Galaxy S3 win every time and that's with WiFi and Bluetooth on at the same time on all devices.

Having owned the S3, the N4, and all iPhones, I have consistently experienced far better battery life on the iPhone 5 than on any of those; on a long day when I'm on call, I can get from 5:30am to 11pm with 8h of screen on time with ease. While I enjoyed the Android devices, they went back because they couldn't make it past 4-5pm with similar use (the N4 couldn't live past 2:30pm). Once they've got battery life sorted out, I'll contemplate the switch, but for me, battery life (while moving around the hospital and not tethered to a desk) trumps the advantages of android.

Shuri
Feb 23, 2013, 12:50 PM
I'm not sure how people are getting good battery life with the iPhone 5. Just leave the phone off the charger overnight and it will drain from 100% to 80% or lower for doing NOTHING. It's a joke. I have both the Note 2 and the iPhone 5 and have used both extensively - the Note 2 and even the Galaxy S3 win every time and that's with WiFi and Bluetooth on at the same time on all devices.


Left my iPhone 5 tonight without charging it, since it already was on 100%, dropped to 98% in 10 hours so no matter here. ;)

Essenar
Feb 23, 2013, 04:04 PM
I'm having such a hard time deciding between an iPhone 5 and a Note 2.

The Note 2 gives me big screen. I like me some big screen. The iPhone 5 allows me to keep my eco system in sync. It's such a hard choice to make. I already have an iPad 4 and I have NO intention of going to an Android tablet.

Dmaynard83
Feb 24, 2013, 11:08 AM
A new study shows that the iphone is way more reliable than Samsung handsets.

They even note that with the lack of innovative tech it still tops the charts.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/02/22/apple-300-percent-more-samsung/

daveathall
Feb 24, 2013, 11:16 AM
A new study shows that the iphone is way more reliable than Samsung handsets.

They even note that with the lack of innovative tech it still tops the charts.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/02/22/apple-300-percent-more-samsung/

From your link:
In all likelihood, both the iPhone 5 and Galaxy S3 appears to have peaked. Samsung unveiled its device in May 2012 and Apple’s smartphone was last refreshed in September 2012. The South Korean chaebol is said to be launching a successor to the S III as early as March 14 and Apple is widely expected to update the iPhone around summer.

You would imagine that Apple wouldn't be too happy that their sales of the iPhone 5 have peeked in such a short amount of time.

Dmaynard83
Feb 24, 2013, 11:28 AM
From your link:


You would imagine that Apple wouldn't be too happy that their sales of the iPhone 5 have peeked in such a short amount of time.

To be expected. T mobile is a huge carrier in the US and still doesn't have the iphone. I'm sure there are other factors, but my post was more concerned with functionality and reliability of the iphone, not sales figures.

sentinelsx
Feb 25, 2013, 10:42 PM
Which tweaks do you use?

Right now the only one i use is tap to autocorrect. That way i can type away instead of fretting about the keyboard auto correcting the already right words. Don't know why it thinks that then should be changed to their.

TheMTtakeover
Feb 25, 2013, 11:43 PM
There are many OSX Virsues/Trojans, but you don't really know about it if you won't install an antivirus.
Source for Kaspersky OSX and iOS:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57433761-37/kaspersky-apple-needs-to-face-up-to-mac-threats/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/iphone-malware-kaspersky_n_1515074.html

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/05/22/kaspersky-co-founder-resorts-to-scaremongering-over-apples-ios-antivirus-ban/

They don't say anything about a virus on Mac OS......?

tech4all
Feb 26, 2013, 12:26 AM
Wow this thread has so much ignorance it's funny.

Why change a good thing. Thats called great advertising. The iPhone has become ingrained in everyday life, something a Samsung, Motorola, etc, never will be. It shows in the Apple ads. Apple doesn't talk about any other device with their commericals. Samsung has to constantly compare itself to the iPhone in theirs. Most people would consider that a loser mentality.

Product design does not equal advertising. You can change the look of something and have it still retain it's image which is :apple:

The amount of fanboys in this thread is amusing.

I actually laughed at some responses.

I'm guessing it's hard for dedicated iOS users to accept that Android has caught up and surpassed iOS.

There may be fanboys from both sides in this thread but it seems only one side is willing to talk honestly about both platforms. The other side seems to debating against an Android of yesteryear to prove that iOS is better. Pure obscurantism.

Very revealing.

Very...

Ugh sometimes I'm embarrassed to be an iPhone user.... :)

This thread makes me embarrassed to be human quite honestly. Really both sides are embarrassing. Android forums :eek: :o

I actually signed up to the forum because I saw this question, and felt I just have to include my OPINION:

In all honesty, I use to be an Apple lover, but at this point, I cannot find a better way to answer your question than this:

iPhones are good for non-computer literate people, like children, or older adults, and tweens. It's the phone I recommend to anyone in those groups, and they are always extremely happy with their choice. This is because iPhones are intentionally limited in what they can do. When computer-friendly people use iPhones they often come to me asking how to do things, and my most common response is: "darn, see that's so easy to do on Android" (think of opengarden, notifications (now copied by iOS) and the ability to choose default program (such as a browser)) These are "intuitive" things that iOS users would love, but Apple knows that it's too complicated for the age groups I mentioned above to understand those things, so they don't let you do it because i uses more processor, which uses more battery (which cannot be changed). This adding up?

Androids are good for computer literate people, like most of us here on the forums. I have countless friends who, like me, used to love iPhones, but after trying the latest Android phones, we actually feel stupid for touting the superiority of iPhones so ignorantly. I cannot believe just how awesome Android is, not to mention the open-source nature of it all. I haven't seen any real improvements to iOS, except for the 4" screen, which is 2 years behind the game anyways. (again, because of the battery issues)

It took me a long time to accept it, but those are the key differences when you break it all down.

In the end, you should identify your needs, talk to users of both phones, test some out, and in the end, get an Android ;) Unless, of course, you hate choosing what you wear in the morning and prefer to be told what to do. Some people are into that :P and they should get iPhones.

http://cdn.lastangryfan.com/wp-content/uploads/citizen-kane-clapping.gif

Wrong.

LMAO this comment made my day!

I actually hope that's sarcasm, if not, that comment is a 'poster child.' Brilliant man! Just brilliant! :D

I'm going to remember this comment for a while.

I'm computer literate but I don't need my PHONE to be as open as a PC, when I have my PC for that.

Used Android for three years and I don't miss the features I've lost by going back to iOS. There are some things I really like about my iPhone (people who've seen me post on here will have seen this ad nauseum), which are: I can leave everything switched on (WiFi, push email, push notifications, bluetooth, etc) and battery life is still very good; my iPhone connects to my car's bluetooth every time I get in my car (both my Galaxy S2 & S3 were hit and miss); I can talk to my friends and the mrs on iMessage using both my iPad and iPhone.

I don't need to do anything technically challenging when I'm out and about. If I had a job which required me to do that, then I would reconsider my options.

Great. Some people want their phones to be more like a PC and want to tweak it. Some don't. Great.

jrswizzle
Feb 26, 2013, 09:08 AM
Lol....

The very nature of this thread is both shallow and pedantic ;)

But seriously - why can't anyone simply realize that neither is better/has surpassed the other? That both have their charms and draws and that what works best for one won't necessarily work best for the other?

Why is this a contest?

The more I use my N4, the more I realize - the phone doesn't make the user.....the user makes the phone. I use my N4 in almost the same way I use my iP5.....the N4 hasn't changed my use-case or preferences when it comes to smartphones, I just use them both the way I use them....

Don't get me wrong - I very much appreciate the comedy of these threads. Without the laugh I get from reading some yall's pathetic attempts at putting one platform down, I'd have a dull day at the office most days! :D

mattopotamus
Feb 26, 2013, 09:20 AM
Lol....

The very nature of this thread is both shallow and pedantic ;)

But seriously - why can't anyone simply realize that neither is better/has surpassed the other? That both have their charms and draws and that what works best for one won't necessarily work best for the other?

Why is this a contest?

The more I use my N4, the more I realize - the phone doesn't make the user.....the user makes the phone. I use my N4 in almost the same way I use my iP5.....the N4 hasn't changed my use-case or preferences when it comes to smartphones, I just use them both the way I use them....

Don't get me wrong - I very much appreciate the comedy of these threads. Without the laugh I get from reading some yall's pathetic attempts at putting one platform down, I'd have a dull day at the office most days! :D

I agree with you 100% until I used a note 2. I think that is a device that really changes the way you use your phone. Obviously a stylus has a lot to do with this, but the major reason is the size. I really do not need to power on my laptop to do extensive internet browsing, and I get the same battery life as my macbook air haha (screen time)

zone23
Feb 26, 2013, 09:24 AM
I like both the iPhone 5 and my Droid DNA, but I have chosen the Droid DNA. Why? Bigger screen, and customization. Thats MY preference its not for everyone. The wife says the DNA is too big and you know what thats fine I don't spend hours telling her how she should switch to android. Why? Because she likes her iPhone 4s it does everything she needs. My mom loves her iPhone 5 why? because its simple for her to use. I like my DNA why? because I can do ANYTHING I want to it, its MINE.

sentinelsx
Feb 26, 2013, 09:42 AM
I don't think that x is better than y, but i am now using a nexus 4 with iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5 does have better battery stamina. However some of the features of the nexus are amazing, iOS definitely feels a little clunky (i used to say this about android in 2.3 days when compared to iOS), but i have a hard time pointing the finger at the right culprits, it just "feels" clunkier now.

However, the reason iPhone tends to do better is also because it is the only iOS handset Apple makes. They cannot afford compromising the hardware. So it does provide much better speakers (the speakers on my N4 are muffled even when not covered by a surface until they are at 80%+), better camera, better sound quality (my n4 seems to lose out a few details, tested with google play and poweramp), battery optimization etc etc.

The thing with android is that the best software doesn't necessarily come with the best hardware (not talking CPUs/RAM). For example, the GS3 has better camera, seemed to hold out a tad better in terms of battery life in my experience, sound quality also seemed quite on par with the iPhone 5, but then i have to use touchwiz, if i wanted to use an iOS knock-off, i would rather use the real thing. Custom ROMs always break something whenever i try one, so using CM etc as a daily driver isn't such a great option when i trade off full use of my device.


It is sort of frustrating that while the nexus 4 allows me to read PDFs quite easily without even zooming thanks to a minor 0.7 inch increase in screen size, it makes me trade off the battery life of the iPhone 5. It would be absolutely great if i could get both at the same time, and it is also quite possible in this day and age, but the OEM mess that google has gotten into ensures the nexus is not the phone to boast the best battery life sadly, it is either the RAZR, the note 2 (which is too big for my hands, and yes i did try it out), or the S3.

All google really needs to do is give stellar battery life to a nexus. 4.2.2 is amazing otherwise.

jrswizzle
Feb 26, 2013, 09:48 AM
I agree with you 100% until I used a note 2. I think that is a device that really changes the way you use your phone. Obviously a stylus has a lot to do with this, but the major reason is the size. I really do not need to power on my laptop to do extensive internet browsing, and I get the same battery life as my macbook air haha (screen time)

Ok - so for you, that changed things. I don't want a phone that big. I've picked them up and used them numerous times - every now and again I'll get the idea a Note would be cool - then I pick it up in a store and think I'd never want to take this around with me all the time....

For me, my phones work well for everything I do. I'd argue your preferences didn't change much - you wanted to be able to browse extensively - you just hadn't found the phone that did that really well until the Note. I have my laptop bag with me every day going to and from work so carrying my iPad mini isn't an issue and it's much better for browsing for me than my phones or a note would be. Otherwise, I have my phones and they are plenty serviceable.

I still say screen size is a preference and not an advancement - bigger does not mean better in every case. But I recognize that for some (like yourself), the bigger screen allows you to unlock the uses you want in a smartphone. Which is why I hope Apple DOES add both the 5" iPhone and the cheaper iPhone. More choices will only serve to increase their marketshare.

soulreaver99
Feb 26, 2013, 10:14 AM
Left my iPhone 5 tonight without charging it, since it already was on 100%, dropped to 98% in 10 hours so no matter here. ;)

If that's the case then there's a problem with two of the iPhone 5s I had (one had a defective power button which apple replaced) and other friends' iphone5s who have the same battery drain issue as I do.

I will take some screen shots to give you a more accurate and better idea of the overnight drain.

jrswizzle
Feb 26, 2013, 10:20 AM
If that's the case then there's a problem with two of the iPhone 5s I had (one had a defective power button which apple replaced) and other friends' iphone5s who have the same battery drain issue as I do.

I will take some screen shots to give you a more accurate and better idea of the overnight drain.

Must be. My iPhone 5 will drop about the same 2% as the other posters if left uncharged overnight......

Generally speaking I can get about 1-2 days of standby and 5-6 hours of usage time. Usage includes browsing, emailing, messaging and some gaming and youtubing.

mattopotamus
Feb 26, 2013, 10:20 AM
Ok - so for you, that changed things. I don't want a phone that big. I've picked them up and used them numerous times - every now and again I'll get the idea a Note would be cool - then I pick it up in a store and think I'd never want to take this around with me all the time....

For me, my phones work well for everything I do. I'd argue your preferences didn't change much - you wanted to be able to browse extensively - you just hadn't found the phone that did that really well until the Note. I have my laptop bag with me every day going to and from work so carrying my iPad mini isn't an issue and it's much better for browsing for me than my phones or a note would be. Otherwise, I have my phones and they are plenty serviceable.

I still say screen size is a preference and not an advancement - bigger does not mean better in every case. But I recognize that for some (like yourself), the bigger screen allows you to unlock the uses you want in a smartphone. Which is why I hope Apple DOES add both the 5" iPhone and the cheaper iPhone. More choices will only serve to increase their marketshare.

very true. I guess I was always using an iphone, so never realized how much I like being able to browse on a phone. Really anything 4.5"+ is good for browsing....hopefully all of the 2013 phones have stellar battery life.

jrswizzle
Feb 26, 2013, 10:25 AM
very true. I guess I was always using an iphone, so never realized how much I like being able to browse on a phone. Really anything 4.5"+ is good for browsing....hopefully all of the 2013 phones have stellar battery life.

Ya - that's my point. For me, the added screen size of the Nexus 4 hasn't changed my desire to browse on my phone at all.....I still do so at the same tick I always did and whenever possible, use my iPad mini.

The whole consolidation of devices (i.e. phone+computer = smartphone) has been great - but not everyone wants to continue that consolidation everywhere.

For those who want it - the phablet category has been extremely popular. But I'd argue those people were always looking for that type of device - they just didn't know what it looked like until the Note came along.

soulreaver99
Feb 26, 2013, 10:27 AM
Must be. My iPhone 5 will drop about the same 2% as the other posters if left uncharged overnight......

Generally speaking I can get about 1-2 days of standby and 5-6 hours of usage time. Usage includes browsing, emailing, messaging and some gaming and youtubing.

Do you have icloud backup running overnight? That might be it. Just thought about that

jrswizzle
Feb 26, 2013, 10:29 AM
Do you have icloud backup running overnight? That might be it. Just thought about that

iCloud backup runs whenever I am plugged in and the screen is off....so no it wouldn't run if I wasn't charging.

cynics
Feb 26, 2013, 10:53 AM
This response confuses me, "My iPhone does everything I need it too"....

I have a hard time believing that. For example a few months ago I refinanced my house. I was getting multiple PDF files from my insurance company and HOA that I needed to promptly email to my finance company. Sounds like a trivial task, but its impossible in iOS to do this in a single email. Unless your using your email to send goofy pictures or something its almost toyish, and extremely frustrating. I just had to send 12 separate emails at the same time and look like a moron.

I think its more along the lines of "My iPhone does everything I need it too and if not I don't mind being inconvenienced."

I think it just depends on how much you could benefit from an all in one device. I'm rarely home, rarely near a computer and using an iPhone can be a chore sometimes.

Tinmania
Feb 26, 2013, 10:54 AM
very true. I guess I was always using an iphone, so never realized how much I like being able to browse on a phone. Really anything 4.5"+ is good for browsing....hopefully all of the 2013 phones have stellar battery life.
That may be true but just try going back to something that small NOW. ;)

As for me the Note 2 hit a sweet spot and I love it. The screen is just large enough that I am not reaching for my iPad like I used to with my iPhone (and even my Nexus 4).

I am thinking of selling my iPad 3 and getting a Nexus 8 when it comes out. I used to think I preferred iOS on a tablet but I would be just fine if the Nexus 8 is a blown-up Note 2 with enhancements. (When I use my iPad now it is annoying to not have a back button, nor be able to share to Evernote from any app I want.)



Michael

Marco123
Feb 26, 2013, 02:56 PM
I really want to sell my ip5 and buy the experia Z but why oh why doesn't android have all of the apps that iOS has?
Until android can match the iOS App Store for quality and consistency I can never see myself jumping ship.

daveathall
Feb 26, 2013, 03:00 PM
I really want to sell my ip5 and buy the experia Z but why oh why doesn't android have all of the apps that iOS has?
Until android can match the iOS App Store for quality and consistency I can never see myself jumping ship.

What apps have you got on your iPhone that you cant replicate from the Play Store? You may find that it is closer than you think. I find that the main one's I used on my iPhone are also in the Play Store. :)

Have a look. https://play.google.com/store?hl=en&tab=m8

Marco123
Feb 26, 2013, 03:03 PM
Mainly the games. Such as year walk etc.

daveathall
Feb 26, 2013, 03:04 PM
Mainly the games. Such as year walk etc.

Ahh, I'm not a gamer but have heard that the gaming apps are better supported on iOS. Fair point. :)

Must admit that I am drawn to the Xperia Z also. :D

maxosx
Feb 26, 2013, 03:09 PM
the white iPhone 5 is sexy as hell and does everything I need in a "smart"phone. can't really say that for any other plastic phone out there.
The reason plastic phones don't perform to your standards are the vapors that escape from the plastic at 55 degrees F, and up. These vapors cause mass corruption of the OS, rendering the phone useless. :eek:

jrswizzle
Feb 26, 2013, 03:16 PM
What apps have you got on your iPhone that you cant replicate from the Play Store? You may find that it is closer than you think. I find that the main one's I used on my iPhone are also in the Play Store. :)

Have a look. https://play.google.com/store?hl=en&tab=m8

Just dove into the Android version of the Weather Channel app - which I use on both platforms for more in-depth weather versus my widgets....

Gotta say I absolutely HATE the Android version.....no idea what possessed them to change the UI and look but it is horrific....almost unusable in my opinion.

It's times like this that make me question the Google Play store - while there are now as many apps on Play as there are on the App Store, the quality (whether intentional or not) is just not quite there with some apps - even some mainstream apps (not to mention the tablet mess - but I know you love your mini :D).

daveathall
Feb 26, 2013, 03:45 PM
Just dove into the Android version of the Weather Channel app - which I use on both platforms for more in-depth weather versus my widgets....

Gotta say I absolutely HATE the Android version.....no idea what possessed them to change the UI and look but it is horrific....almost unusable in my opinion.

It's times like this that make me question the Google Play store - while there are now as many apps on Play as there are on the App Store, the quality (whether intentional or not) is just not quite there with some apps - even some mainstream apps (not to mention the tablet mess - but I know you love your mini :D).

I must admit that not being a gamer probably shields me from some of the bad one's out there, the main one's I find are up to muster. You are right, I do love my iPad Mini, I think it is absolutely superb and would recommend it to anyone.

Dont know if you have tried this weather app, its called 1Weather, I think it's really good. It has a home screen quick look and more in depth when one taps on the icon, it's top right on my screen. :)


http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/daveathall/Screenshot_2013-02-26-21-42-03_zpsf5280f5e.png

mattopotamus
Feb 26, 2013, 04:06 PM
That may be true but just try going back to something that small NOW. ;)

As for me the Note 2 hit a sweet spot and I love it. The screen is just large enough that I am not reaching for my iPad like I used to with my iPhone (and even my Nexus 4).

I am thinking of selling my iPad 3 and getting a Nexus 8 when it comes out. I used to think I preferred iOS on a tablet but I would be just fine if the Nexus 8 is a blown-up Note 2 with enhancements. (When I use my iPad now it is annoying to not have a back button, nor be able to share to Evernote from any app I want.)



Michael

It is definitely hard to go back to smaller screen once you have had 5.5, but my god is stock android on the nexus smooth. I always think the note is smooth until I try out the n4 again.

Dmaynard83
Feb 26, 2013, 05:20 PM
It is definitely hard to go back to smaller screen once you have had 5.5, but my god is stock android on the nexus smooth. I always think the note is smooth until I try out the n4 again.

Wait till you go from note 2 or s3 to iphone 5. Will feel like night and day cause I feel android OS is hella choppy

mattopotamus
Feb 26, 2013, 05:25 PM
Wait till you go from note 2 or s3 to iphone 5. Will feel like night and day cause I feel android OS is hella choppy

I had an iPhone 5. I would say the nexus is the same zippyness

knucklehead
Feb 26, 2013, 07:03 PM
Just dove into the Android version of the Weather Channel app - which I use on both platforms for more in-depth weather versus my widgets....

Gotta say I absolutely HATE the Android version.....no idea what possessed them to change the UI and look but it is horrific....almost unusable in my opinion.

It's times like this that make me question the Google Play store - while there are now as many apps on Play as there are on the App Store, the quality (whether intentional or not) is just not quite there with some apps - even some mainstream apps (not to mention the tablet mess - but I know you love your mini :D).

Yeah -- Just say no to the Weather Channel.

I'm not sure how detailed you like your weather data, but speaking as someone who spent most of the 90's as a hardcore obsessive windsurfer, and is subsequently left with a lifelong abnormal interest in weather forecasts ... here's a few I'd recommend you check out:

1. Intellicast Weather. Looks like it just became available on Android. Doesn't have the too cool for words animated surface wind animation that the iOS version has, but it still looks pretty good. (I just installed it)

2. Weather Underground. A classic! (Again, I just installed it on Android)

3. Radar Scope. You live in Texas - this app could save your life... (I already paid for it in iOS, and really don't need to spend another $10 to install it on my N4.)

4. Weather4D. The one app to rule them all ... sadly not available on Android.



... and I'll throw in an Android gripe here. Why on earth does any weather app think it has the right to know who I'm talking to on the phone ... and why on earth doesn't Android allow you to just block that permission without having to throw away an otherwise valuable app?

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I had an iPhone 5. I would say the nexus is the same zippyness

I think he was referring to "smoothness", which is different.

mib1800
Feb 26, 2013, 08:06 PM
I think he was referring to "smoothness", which is different.

I think this "smoothness" is way way over-rated. Speed is more important. Don't tell me Apple fans always have their eyes glue to the screen mesmerizing the "smooth" (but slow) transition when they scroll?

What is the point of smoothness when speed is slow. In terms of speed (esp. scrolling - not just browser but other UI as well) iOS is VERY SLOW. iphone is a fail for productivity compared to equivalent android. See the video below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH1GDLunomY

Dmaynard83
Feb 26, 2013, 08:19 PM
I think this "smoothness" is way way over-rated. Speed is more important. Don't tell me Apple fans always have their eyes glue to the screen mesmerizing the "smooth" (but slow) transition when they scroll?

What is the point of smoothness when speed is slow. In terms of speed (esp. scrolling - not just browser but other UI as well) iOS is VERY SLOW. iphone is a fail for productivity compared to equivalent android. See the video below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH1GDLunomY

Nothing about the iphone is slow. Both phones in terms of speed are comparable. But smoothness is a different story.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=RVDMOP1pWCQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DRVDMOP1pWCQ

The iGentleman
Feb 26, 2013, 08:29 PM
Nothing about the iphone is slow. Both phones in terms of speed are comparable. But smoothness is a different story.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=RVDMOP1pWCQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DRVDMOP1pWCQ

I'm not sure what that video has to do with smoothness..

knucklehead
Feb 26, 2013, 08:33 PM
I'm not sure what that video has to do with smoothness..

... not sure what mib's video has to do with "productivity" either ... :p

Dmaynard83
Feb 26, 2013, 08:36 PM
I'm not sure what that video has to do with smoothness..

There is a loss in frames per second on the s3. Also a lag time.

The iGentleman
Feb 26, 2013, 09:13 PM
... not sure what mib's video has to do with "productivity" either ... :p

And you directed that at me why?

knucklehead
Feb 26, 2013, 09:20 PM
And you directed that at me why?

For a minute there, I thought you were interested in the relevance of posted videos to the flow of this thread. :p

The iGentleman
Feb 26, 2013, 09:23 PM
There is a loss in frames per second on the s3. Also a lag time.

Was there? And what version of Android was it running exactly?

Dmaynard83
Feb 26, 2013, 09:49 PM
Was there? And what version of Android was it running exactly?

Yep. Read his comments he is an android fan but admits this is a software related issue. He even notes that he over clocked it.

Assuming he is on jellybean because he has still been giving updates in the last few days with the same issue.

mib1800
Feb 26, 2013, 11:33 PM
Nothing about the iphone is slow. Both phones in terms of speed are comparable. But smoothness is a different story.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=RVDMOP1pWCQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DRVDMOP1pWCQ

havent we been thru this before. That video is not a fair comparison. Those youtube image in the ios Safari page is just an icon whereas on the Android it is actually a Flash plugin (i.e. a program running in the page). :p

I'm not sure what that video has to do with smoothness..

So what's with a little bit more of smoothness that the eye can barely notice? This smoothness adds nothing to any practical use advantage.

... not sure what mib's video has to do with "productivity" either ... :p

Are you trying to be ignorant? :lol: Quickly scroll thru a long web page (or drop down list). On the iphone it is just a tedious and slow process requiring many flips. :p

cynics
Feb 27, 2013, 08:22 AM
I think this "smoothness" is way way over-rated. Speed is more important. Don't tell me Apple fans always have their eyes glue to the screen mesmerizing the "smooth" (but slow) transition when they scroll?

What is the point of smoothness when speed is slow. In terms of speed (esp. scrolling - not just browser but other UI as well) iOS is VERY SLOW. iphone is a fail for productivity compared to equivalent android. See the video below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH1GDLunomY

When my iPhone 4S (only phone I have now) hangs its very frustrating!

I notice it a lot when clicking a picture in group messages. It just sits there, and I'll scroll around, press the home button etc then it catches up and does all the missed input. Android at least freezes and blocks the input with a force close or wait box.

So I don't know what people are on about its smoothness and such. People complain "this app and that app are choppy" blame that on the app. Atomic web browser in iOS isn't as smooth as safari. Just like on my N10 Firefox isn't as smooth as chrome, and neither are as smooth as Chrome Beta.

It's like the app crashing argument I'll ask iOS users to goto diag in setting and screen shot latest crash section. They never do because it looks like this.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/27/vaqupyqe.jpg

Usually much worse but I did a full restore at the beginning of this month.

The iGentleman
Feb 27, 2013, 08:47 AM
Yep. Read his comments he is an android fan but admits this is a software related issue. He even notes that he over clocked it.

Assuming he is on jellybean because he has still been giving updates in the last few days with the same issue.
So basically, you don't know what version it is. Furthermore, you're talking about a "problem" that had to be filmed in slow motion at 120fps to see (and even then it isn't ostensible). That said, if you need slow-mo at 120fps to make a problem more visible, then it isn't a problem.



So what's with a little bit more of smoothness that the eye can barely notice? This smoothness adds nothing to any practical use advantage.

I don't buy the whole "smoothness" argument at all. I think that's just one of those misnomers constantly perpetuated by those looking for an iOS advantage. The video Dmaynard posted is a perfect example of this. Posting a link to a video where you don't even know what software version the guy is running, AND it had to be filmed in slow motion at 120fps just to show something that still isn't really noticeable at all (unless you look really closely and focus on it). All in all, the "smoothness" argument is a non-issue.

Dmaynard83
Feb 27, 2013, 08:58 AM
So basically, you don't know what version it is. Furthermore, you're talking about a "problem" that had to be filmed in slow motion at 120fps to see (and even then it isn't ostensible). That said, if you need slow-mo at 120fps to make a problem more visible, then it isn't a problem.



I don't buy the whole "smoothness" argument at all. I think that's just one of those misnomers constantly perpetuated by those looking for an iOS advantage. The video Dmaynard posted is a perfect example of this. Posting a link to a video where you don't even know what software version the guy is running, AND it had to be filmed in slow motion at 120fps just to show something that still isn't really noticeable at all (unless you look really closely and focus on it). All in all, the "smoothness" argument is a non-issue.

Anndd you are wrong.

http://fleetingtech.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/why-has-ios-always-been-smoother-than-android/

The iGentleman
Feb 27, 2013, 09:04 AM
Anndd you are wrong.

http://fleetingtech.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/why-has-ios-always-been-smoother-than-android/

A random wordpress blog? Would you like to post a wikipedia link next? :rolleyes: I stand by my previous statements regarding "smoothness".

Dmaynard83
Feb 27, 2013, 09:06 AM
A random wordpress blog? Would you like to post a wikipedia link next? :rolleyes: I stand by my previous statements regarding "smoothness".

Google it and you will find a 100 other links why ios is smoother. Not saying faster, just smoother.

I will take your last response as you admitting defeat. Good day.

The iGentleman
Feb 27, 2013, 09:15 AM
Google it and you will find a 100 other links why ios is smoother. Not saying faster, just smoother.

I will take your last response as you admitting defeat. Good day.

Defeat? I wasn't aware we were battling.. :rolleyes: Grow up. I don't care what "reasons" you manage to come up with, the bottom line is, if you it takes such extreme measures for you to demonstrate it, then it isn't an issue. In the very video you posted, it's a split second's difference...AND THAT'S IN SLOW MOTION. In normal motion, that means the difference is even less. So what are we really talking about here? A 1/10 of a second? This is your grand point? That really all you've got. Nothing to see here. Have a nice day. :cool:

Dmaynard83
Feb 27, 2013, 09:22 AM
Defeat? I wasn't aware we were battling.. :rolleyes: Grow up. I don't care what "reasons" you manage to come up with, the bottom line is, if you it takes such extreme measures for you to demonstrate it, then it isn't an issue. In the very video you posted, it's a split second's difference...AND THAT'S IN SLOW MOTION. In normal motion, that means the difference is even less. So what are we really talking about here? A 1/10 of a second? This is your grand point? That really all you've got. Nothing to see here. Have a nice day. :cool:

Day is going good, thanks. Read my link or any of the 100 of related links found on a google search and come back. Thanks.

The iGentleman
Feb 27, 2013, 09:26 AM
Day is going good, thanks. Read my link or any of the 100 of related links found on a google search and come back. Thanks.

In other words, you don't know how to explain what you're rambling on about. The bottom line is, the proof is in the pudding. The very video you posted makes my point for me. Again, have a nice day... run along. :)

Dmaynard83
Feb 27, 2013, 09:32 AM
In other words, you don't know how to explain what you're rambling on about. The bottom line is, the proof is in the pudding. The very video you posted makes my point for me. Again, have a nice day... run along. :)

The link says it all.

I understand the need to defend your purchase. But the evidence speaks for itself. Do you think that all these articles are just people making stuff up? Whatever helps you sleep at night...

The iGentleman
Feb 27, 2013, 09:50 AM
The link says it all.

I understand the need to defend your purchase. But the evidence speaks for itself. Do you think that all these articles are just people making stuff up? Whatever helps you sleep at night...

Reading comprehension much? I think we're done here.

Tinmania
Feb 27, 2013, 09:53 AM
Wait till you go from note 2 or s3 to iphone 5. Will feel like night and day cause I feel android OS is hella choppy

That's just you.




Mike

jrswizzle
Feb 27, 2013, 10:05 AM
That's just you.




Mike

I too notice a difference - while I wouldn't characterize Android as "hella choppy", the response time between the touch point and the movement on the screen is higher on Android than on iOS.....

Simply a product of each OS's refinement - Android uses all that power to run a more open (see bloated) OS, while Apple's "close-minded" (see efficient) approach allows for more deep integration of software and hardware.

Please don't take this as an attack - simply my point of view on the two. For those who prefer the open approach, the small difference in response time is negligible/unimportant and that's perfectly fine.

But its a pretty clear fact iOS is still smoother and more responsive than Android - even 4.2.2. Looking forward to KLP on my Nexus 4 to see what improvements Google makes!

Dmaynard83
Feb 27, 2013, 10:19 AM
I too notice a difference - while I wouldn't characterize Android as "hella choppy", the response time between the touch point and the movement on the screen is higher on Android than on iOS.....

Simply a product of each OS's refinement - Android uses all that power to run a more open (see bloated) OS, while Apple's "close-minded" (see efficient) approach allows for more deep integration of software and hardware.

Please don't take this as an attack - simply my point of view on the two. For those who prefer the open approach, the small difference in response time is negligible/unimportant and that's perfectly fine.

But its a pretty clear fact iOS is still smoother and more responsive than Android - even 4.2.2. Looking forward to KLP on my Nexus 4 to see what improvements Google makes!

Thank you.

knucklehead
Feb 27, 2013, 10:22 AM
Are you trying to be ignorant? :lol:

I'm actually trying to not be ignorant ... how about you? I happen to find it funny that someone might confuse any sort of scrolling through a webpage as being productive.

When I think of bing productive, I think of doing some work in an app such as Pages. When I open a document in Pages that's a few hundred pages long, I can scroll through it in seconds. My productivity is in no way slowed down by any sort of scrolling problems -- yet you're here in the internet claiming the opposite for some reason. What do you think might prompt this strange behavior on your part?


scroll thru a long web page (or drop down list). On the iphone it is just a tedious and slow process requiring many flips. :p

I've been doing just that. Here's a nice long webpage:http://www.edge.org/responses/q2013
In PDF form, that's over 300 pages -- it's a webpage that's basically a book.

I have that page loaded on a Nexus 4, and a iPod Touch 5 right now. I can scroll through it in about 5 seconds on my iPod. How long does it take to scroll all the way through on the Nexus? ... that would be very difficult to say.

When I fast scroll for 5 seconds on the Nexus, the screen soon goes completely blank, and you sit there for several seconds looking at a white screen waiting for any text to reappear. When the text does reappear, I'm not to the end of the page. How far did I get? ... mighty tough to say without any scroll indicator in Chrome.

I've lost interest in trying to find the scroll time on the N4 -- it's too much of a pain. When I want to try the test again in Safari, I just tap the top of the screen, and I'm instantly at the top of the page. I Chrome on the N4, you have to trudge back up through the whiteout conditions to get to the top. Perhaps someone else can try and come up with a total scroll time for this.

daveathall
Feb 27, 2013, 10:23 AM
I did not find that my iPhone 5 was any more smoother than my Nexus 4 or SGS3, If I had, I would still have the iPhone 5. I sold it. I would not be using a device that I considered "second best".

knucklehead
Feb 27, 2013, 10:24 AM
I too notice a difference - while I wouldn't characterize Android as "hella choppy", the response time between the touch point and the movement on the screen is higher on Android than on iOS.....

Simply a product of each OS's refinement - Android uses all that power to run a more open (see bloated) OS, while Apple's "close-minded" (see efficient) approach allows for more deep integration of software and hardware.

Please don't take this as an attack - simply my point of view on the two. For those who prefer the open approach, the small difference in response time is negligible/unimportant and that's perfectly fine.

But its a pretty clear fact iOS is still smoother and more responsive than Android - even 4.2.2. Looking forward to KLP on my Nexus 4 to see what improvements Google makes!

I certainly notice it too. I don't consider it a real problem, but to deny it exists is rather strange.

Tinmania
Feb 27, 2013, 10:25 AM
I too notice a difference - while I wouldn't characterize Android as "hella choppy", the response time between the touch point and the movement on the screen is higher on Android than on iOS.....

Simply a product of each OS's refinement - Android uses all that power to run a more open (see bloated) OS, while Apple's "close-minded" (see efficient) approach allows for more deep integration of software and hardware.

Please don't take this as an attack - simply my point of view on the two. For those who prefer the open approach, the small difference in response time is negligible/unimportant and that's perfectly fine.

But its a pretty clear fact iOS is still smoother and more responsive than Android - even 4.2.2. Looking forward to KLP on my Nexus 4 to see what improvements Google makes!
I don't agree at all. My Note 2 is as smooth as, if not smoother, than my iPhone or iPad (when they are first rebooted). Plus, my iPhone 4S and iPad 3 lag plenty of times. Not indiscernible lags: noticeable. Heck the Huffington Post app on my iPad crashes every single day (right after slowing to a crawl).

Even moving around home screens on my Note 2 is smoother than on my iPhone/iPad. This is with many more icons per screen, a 3D transition between screens, a weather widget on the main page, and live wallpaper. Super fast.

As for vertical scrolling.... Note 2 seems to go faster and I can move further in one swipe. I find myself doing less "flicking" like I do on iOS.

But really this is all silly to be debating: they are both "smooth enough" as to it not be an issue. If Android did not get to this point--and they have--there is zero chance I would be using it.



Michael

cynics
Feb 27, 2013, 10:41 AM
I'm actually trying to not be ignorant ... how about you? I happen to find it funny that someone might confuse any sort of scrolling through a webpage as being productive.

When I think of bing productive, I think of doing some work in an app such as Pages. When I open a document in Pages that's a few hundred pages long, I can scroll through it in seconds. My productivity is in no way slowed down by any sort of scrolling problems -- yet you're here in the internet claiming the opposite for some reason. What do you think might prompt this strange behavior on your part?




I've been doing just that. Here's a nice long webpage:http://www.edge.org/responses/q2013
In PDF form, that's over 300 pages -- it's a webpage that's basically a book.

I have that page loaded on a Nexus 4, and a iPod Touch 5 right now. I can scroll through it in about 5 seconds on my iPod. How long does it take to scroll all the way through on the Nexus? ... that would be very difficult to say.

When I fast scroll for 5 seconds on the Nexus, the screen soon goes completely blank, and you sit there for several seconds looking at a white screen waiting for any text to reappear. When the text does reappear, I'm not to the end of the page. How far did I get? ... mighty tough to say without any scroll indicator in Chrome.

I've lost interest in trying to find the scroll time on the N4 -- it's too much of a pain. When I want to try the test again in Safari, I just tap the top of the screen, and I'm instantly at the top of the page. I Chrome on the N4, you have to trudge back up through the whiteout conditions to get to the top. Perhaps someone else can try and come up with a total scroll time for this.

I'm having a similar experience except with my 4S. Since iOS prioritizes user input it freezes the downloading and loading process when my finger is touching the screen.

If I wait for it to download it is faster at scrolling compared to my Xoom (I'm at work and don't have my N10). Not a very fair comparison due to the Xoom's age but it basically does what your describing.

At the same time it's not nearly stopping every task to give the "appearance" of smoothness like iOS.

I can do one thing at time faster then someone can do 12 things (being equal skills etc etc). Doesn't mean I'm "faster".

Normally its a none issue. The example you posted, it very unlikely I could read as fast as the page loads so its unnoticeable. However where I notice it the most is when using an app that freezes touch input instead of downloading. Tapatalk on iOS is the worst for this. If it says loading on the screen the app is totally unresponsive. In a poor signal area it's quite annoying. Whereas the unnoticeably slow Android doesn't do this, it loads, scrolls, downloads, etc while your touching the screen.

Perception is the key here IMO. It's function over form or what is more important too you. A year ago I think the difference was noticeable enough to prefer iOS's form over function approach but now with more powerful hardware its too close to care about that. IMO of course.

Oletros
Feb 27, 2013, 11:54 AM
Simply a product of each OS's refinement - Android uses all that power to run a more open (see bloated) OS, while Apple's "close-minded" (see efficient) approach allows for more deep integration of software and hardware.


No, it has nothing to do with that

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When I fast scroll for 5 seconds on the Nexus, the screen soon goes completely blank, and you sit there for several seconds looking at a white screen waiting for any text to reappear. When the text does reappear, I'm not to the end of the page. How far did I get? ... mighty tough to say without any scroll indicator in Chrome.

Chrome has scroll indicator and that page, once loaded, doesn't go blank when scrolling with a Nexus 4.

By the way, can you show how to scroll from the beginning to the end in 5 seconds?

cynics
Feb 27, 2013, 01:02 PM
No, it has nothing to do with that

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Chrome has scroll indicator and that page, once loaded, doesn't go blank when scrolling with a Nexus 4.

By the way, can you show how to scroll from the beginning to the end in 5 seconds?

I was gonna say something about the 5 seconds but with a bit of practice I was able to do it on my 4S.

jrswizzle
Feb 27, 2013, 02:33 PM
I don't agree at all. My Note 2 is as smooth as, if not smoother, than my iPhone or iPad (when they are first rebooted). Plus, my iPhone 4S and iPad 3 lag plenty of times. Not indiscernible lags: noticeable. Heck the Huffington Post app on my iPad crashes every single day (right after slowing to a crawl).

Even moving around home screens on my Note 2 is smoother than on my iPhone/iPad. This is with many more icons per screen, a 3D transition between screens, a weather widget on the main page, and live wallpaper. Super fast.

As for vertical scrolling.... Note 2 seems to go faster and I can move further in one swipe. I find myself doing less "flicking" like I do on iOS.

But really this is all silly to be debating: they are both "smooth enough" as to it not be an issue. If Android did not get to this point--and they have--there is zero chance I would be using it.



Michael

I agree it's a silly debate - each person can come up with some anecdotal evidence that says "My iPhone crashes 78 times a day and I've never had my Note 2 crash".....the REALITY is....

(http://www2.crittercism.com/l/13682/2013-02-05/5hv6d)
iOS 6 = 1.15% app crashes
JB 4.2 = 1.5% app crashes

In the end, neither the smoothness, nor the crashing apps are what cause me to prefer iOS. Both OSes are mature to the point that app crashes will happen about as minimally as they can and the difference in smoothness - unless put side-by-side - is unnoticeable.

lucasfer899
Feb 27, 2013, 02:40 PM
I don't agree at all. My Note 2 is as smooth as, if not smoother, than my iPhone or iPad (when they are first rebooted). Plus, my iPhone 4S and iPad 3 lag plenty of times. Not indiscernible lags: noticeable. Heck the Huffington Post app on my iPad crashes every single day (right after slowing to a crawl).

Even moving around home screens on my Note 2 is smoother than on my iPhone/iPad. This is with many more icons per screen, a 3D transition between screens, a weather widget on the main page, and live wallpaper. Super fast.

As for vertical scrolling.... Note 2 seems to go faster and I can move further in one swipe. I find myself doing less "flicking" like I do on iOS.

But really this is all silly to be debating: they are both "smooth enough" as to it not be an issue. If Android did not get to this point--and they have--there is zero chance I would be using it.



Michael


Wow, this post is really something.
If you don't like how you have to "flick" all the time when you're scrolling on iOS, please use a cydia tweak to change the "flicking" algorithm.

I have an iPad 4, and it's almost the same as an iPad 3, and I rarely ever get any lag, it's pretty rare for me to get annoyed with it, as it is one of the, if not the, smoothest device I've ever owned.

I don't really browse the web on my iPhone 4 anymore, however I do use a wide plethora of various resource intensive apps, and I rarely delete things from multitasking, my days are just to busy, when I'm rearranging my home screen, I never get lag, when I'm using any of my apps, I rarely EVER get lag, and if I do, I'm probably hurriedly hammering the screen because I'm in a rush. In short, I don't think it's as bad as you make it sound. :(

SeanR1
Feb 27, 2013, 03:39 PM
Wow, this post is really something.
If you don't like how you have to "flick" all the time when you're scrolling on iOS, please use a cydia tweak to change the "flicking" algorithm.


Sweet, is this in the App Store, or do you have to jailbreak to get rid of the iOS annoyance?

lucasfer899
Feb 27, 2013, 03:53 PM
Sweet, is this in the App Store, or do you have to jailbreak to get rid of the iOS annoyance?

Apple have never allowed OS alterations to enter the App Store, you do however, have to jailbreak the device. I've seen the tweak on many "top tweaks" videos, but can't for the life of me remember what it's called. D:<

knucklehead
Feb 27, 2013, 04:16 PM
Chrome has scroll indicator and that page, once loaded, doesn't go blank when scrolling with a Nexus 4.

By the way, can you show how to scroll from the beginning to the end in 5 seconds?

You scroll fast by repeatedly flicking fast -- things accelerate greatly as you continue flicking fast -- only takes a slight bit of coordination.

Fast scrolling is where the screen goes blank on the Nexus 4. cynics reported it too.

Chrome has been open on that page since I tried it this morning -- still no scroll indicator here.

Has anyone been able to come up with a time for scrolling through that page with Chrome on a device similar to the N4?

Edit: Thanks cynics for confirming the 5 second claim. I'm gad I didn't have to do a video. :o)

thehustleman
Feb 27, 2013, 04:24 PM
I actually signed up to the forum because I saw this question, and felt I just have to include my OPINION:

In all honesty, I use to be an Apple lover, but at this point, I cannot find a better way to answer your question than this:

iPhones are good for non-computer literate people, like children, or older adults, and tweens. It's the phone I recommend to anyone in those groups, and they are always extremely happy with their choice. This is because iPhones are intentionally limited in what they can do. When computer-friendly people use iPhones they often come to me asking how to do things, and my most common response is: "darn, see that's so easy to do on Android" (think of opengarden, notifications (now copied by iOS) and the ability to choose default program (such as a browser)) These are "intuitive" things that iOS users would love, but Apple knows that it's too complicated for the age groups I mentioned above to understand those things, so they don't let you do it because i uses more processor, which uses more battery (which cannot be changed). This adding up?

Androids are good for computer literate people, like most of us here on the forums. I have countless friends who, like me, used to love iPhones, but after trying the latest Android phones, we actually feel stupid for touting the superiority of iPhones so ignorantly. I cannot believe just how awesome Android is, not to mention the open-source nature of it all. I haven't seen any real improvements to iOS, except for the 4" screen, which is 2 years behind the game anyways. (again, because of the battery issues)

It took me a long time to accept it, but those are the key differences when you break it all down.

In the end, you should identify your needs, talk to users of both phones, test some out, and in the end, get an Android ;) Unless, of course, you hate choosing what you wear in the morning and prefer to be told what to do. Some people are into that :P and they should get iPhones.

That's the most honest post I've seen.

That reply just wreaks with truth.

You want basic phone with limited capabilities or just a status symbol get an iphone

You want a powerful phone with max capabilities get a high end android.


Thread over.

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Just curious on what you guys think...

It isn't

jrswizzle
Feb 27, 2013, 04:39 PM
That's the most honest post I've seen.

That reply just wreaks with truth.

You want basic phone with limited capabilities or just a status symbol get an iphone

You want a powerful phone with max capabilities get a high end android.


Thread over

By basic do you mean a phone that can run a business, shoot an Oscar winning documentary or run countless millions of people's everyday lives?

While I agree with his conclusion - your's wreaks of Android elitism. The difference between the two isn't basic vs. advanced - I'd argue a lot of what iOS does behind the scenes is more advanced than Android.

The difference is what is at the center of each - iOS = apps, Android = OS/Customization. There are pluses and minuses for each and one isn't better than the other for everyone.

Android works best for YOU. iOS works best for the OP.

Thread over.

soomster
Feb 27, 2013, 04:42 PM
Just curious on what you guys think...

Its not better, its different.

Essenar
Feb 27, 2013, 05:10 PM
I think I'm a grown enough adult to make decisions about my preferences, give an unbiased opinion to people indecisive about it and what's more is, enjoy the best of both worlds.

I have a MacBook Pro, an iPad 4 and a Nexus 7 3G on the way. (Doesn't fit in my sig)

The iPad Mini doesn't fit in my front pocket.

mib1800
Feb 27, 2013, 11:52 PM
I'm actually trying to not be ignorant ... how about you? I happen to find it funny that someone might confuse any sort of scrolling through a webpage as being productive.

When I think of bing productive, I think of doing some work in an app such as Pages. When I open a document in Pages that's a few hundred pages long, I can scroll through it in seconds. My productivity is in no way slowed down by any sort of scrolling problems -- yet you're here in the internet claiming the opposite for some reason. What do you think might prompt this strange behavior on your part?



So you want to define "productive" selectively based on your definition/workflow? :p

Then how about this? You are at a post in this forum with a really long quoted text. On S3 I just do one long flick and I scrolled past the quoted text whereas for Iphone I need to do something like 4-5 flicks. So let me ask you. If you can finish a task in half the time than the next person, are you 50% more "productive"? So in this scenario (i.e. task of scrolling past the quoted text), am I right to say S3 is 400-500% more "productive" than Iphone. :p



I've been doing just that. Here's a nice long webpage:http://www.edge.org/responses/q2013
In PDF form, that's over 300 pages -- it's a webpage that's basically a book.

I have that page loaded on a Nexus 4, and a iPod Touch 5 right now. I can scroll through it in about 5 seconds on my iPod. How long does it take to scroll all the way through on the Nexus? ... that would be very difficult to say.

When I fast scroll for 5 seconds on the Nexus, the screen soon goes completely blank, and you sit there for several seconds looking at a white screen waiting for any text to reappear. When the text does reappear, I'm not to the end of the page. How far did I get? ... mighty tough to say without any scroll indicator in Chrome.

I've lost interest in trying to find the scroll time on the N4 -- it's too much of a pain. When I want to try the test again in Safari, I just tap the top of the screen, and I'm instantly at the top of the page. I Chrome on the N4, you have to trudge back up through the whiteout conditions to get to the top. Perhaps someone else can try and come up with a total scroll time for this.

Well maybe you should go and download a better pdf viewer for your nexus then maybe you will not have the blank screen. Fact remains that it is still slow scrolling speed on Iphone.

Essenar
Feb 28, 2013, 12:02 AM
I don't think I'm the only one that likes both iOS and Android. :confused:

Oletros
Feb 28, 2013, 12:10 AM
Fast scrolling is where the screen goes blank on the Nexus 4. cynics reported it too.


No blank page here even going from the top to the end

Chrome has been open on that page since I tried it this morning -- still no scroll indicator here.


The scroll indicator appears when you scroll.

Has anyone been able to come up with a time for scrolling through that page with Chrome on a device similar to the N4?


20 seconds.

And it has nothing to to with smoothness, it has to dow how the gui works on both platforms, when you scroll on iOS the page is not rerendered and the touch input takes ALL the precedence. On Android the pages are not static and the touch

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I don't think I'm the only one that likes both iOS and Android. :confused:

I like some things from both

cynics
Feb 28, 2013, 07:24 AM
By basic do you mean a phone that can run a business, shoot an Oscar winning documentary or run countless millions of people's everyday lives?

While I agree with his conclusion - your's wreaks of Android elitism. The difference between the two isn't basic vs. advanced - I'd argue a lot of what iOS does behind the scenes is more advanced than Android.

The difference is what is at the center of each - iOS = apps, Android = OS/Customization. There are pluses and minuses for each and one isn't better than the other for everyone.

Android works best for YOU. iOS works best for the OP.

Thread over.

I managed a business for years with a Nextel. And while I still use a work provided iPhone for work I had to buy a device with a more powerful email system. That is when I bought my first Android product for the ability to have a fully function email system in a portable device.

I find the iPhone excels at social networking. IMessage, Facetime, shared photo stream, I even prefer Facebook, instagram, etc on iOS. But for work I need more...

Oscar winning documentary? Does that come up a lot? Very very good documentaries have been shot with near disposable video cameras. I'd even say an iPhone is too advanced for that task lol....

I totally agree with you when you say its whatever works best for you that doesn't mean his post wreaks of "elitism".

If all I did was do social networking on my iphone I'd say its the most advanced. But its not and due to some features being too basic I needed something more advance. But maybe if my main use was shooting Oscar winning documentaries on a smartphone then maybe I'd feel different. :)

knucklehead
Feb 28, 2013, 08:37 AM
So you want to define "productive" selectively based on your definition/workflow? :p

Then how about this? You are at a post in this forum with a really long quoted text. On S3 I just do one long flick and I scrolled past the quoted text whereas for Iphone I need to do something like 4-5 flicks. So let me ask you. If you can finish a task in half the time than the next person, are you 50% more "productive"? So in this scenario (i.e. task of scrolling past the quoted text), am I right to say S3 is 400-500% more "productive" than Iphone. :p




Well maybe you should go and download a better pdf viewer for your nexus then maybe you will not have the blank screen. Fact remains that it is still slow scrolling speed on Iphone.

Try rereading what you're attempting to comment on. (perhaps it you could more carefully control your scrolling, your comprehension might go up :D)

jrswizzle
Feb 28, 2013, 09:19 AM
I managed a business for years with a Nextel. And while I still use a work provided iPhone for work I had to buy a device with a more powerful email system. That is when I bought my first Android product for the ability to have a fully function email system in a portable device.

I find the iPhone excels at social networking. IMessage, Facetime, shared photo stream, I even prefer Facebook, instagram, etc on iOS. But for work I need more...

Oscar winning documentary? Does that come up a lot? Very very good documentaries have been shot with near disposable video cameras. I'd even say an iPhone is too advanced for that task lol....

I totally agree with you when you say its whatever works best for you that doesn't mean his post wreaks of "elitism".

If all I did was do social networking on my iphone I'd say its the most advanced. But its not and due to some features being too basic I needed something more advance. But maybe if my main use was shooting Oscar winning documentaries on a smartphone then maybe I'd feel different. :)

My point in my post is this....

There is a heavy double standard that goes on in these forums - being someone who prefers iOS, the only things I'm allowed to say (unless I want to bring the wrath of God down on me) is that iOS is old and stale and that Android is way better. I'm not a "true" Apple fan if I'm not criticizing them for their shortcomings. On the other hand, the second I say one thing negative about Android, I'm a "fanboy" and biased towards Apple and my points are immediately dismissed.

While I'm not lumping everyone in this community - there are some people who genuinely want to have an intelligent discussion - I find the lack of logical thought and prevalence of blind bias to be quite annoying. I post to and read these forums because I am genuinely interested in technology and I happen to be a fan of iOS - it simply is a better fit for my needs. I have been spending quite a bit more time in the "alternatives" section because I like to learn and discuss....and because I use both iOS and Android and sometimes have questions.

Now I can admit the shortcomings of my iOS device - lack of setting defaults, attaching multiple PDFs isn't inherently easy, playing with certain file formats doesn't work - but to say the phone is not an advanced piece of technology because it has some issues is absurd. My problem lies with the people who can't admit the shortcomings of Android (which there are plenty) - and instead paint the picture of some ultra-advanced super OS that can do no wrong and never has an issue......

I want to stop this "my phone is better than your phone" argument. I want to be able to honestly discuss the issues we face with our smartphones and what we want to see get better. And I want to do all of this from the understanding that both iOS and Android are extremely good at what they do and are wildly popular and appealing. That each has a different philosophy behind it and neither is better than the other overall - simply a preference for each individual to decide.

Because iOS doesn't fit you needs, doesn't mean it isn't an advanced OS. You think Google Now is some amazing product - that your phone can simply tell you things about your life without any input. That's great for you. I personally would rather save the battery life since without rationing, my Nexus 4 has trouble making it through a day. Some say being able to manipulate the file system or customize every inch of the OS is advanced - I say having all of that work seamlessly behind the scenes without any input from me is advanced....

Sorry for the novel - I'm seriously thinking there aren't enough critical thinkers on this forum and that I waste my time way too much on here. I'd love to get into REAL discussions over the two platforms, but 9 times out of 10, my generally well-thought out arguments are met with "Well can you access the file system on your iPhone? Didn't think so, Android wins"......

Having said all this - genuine question: What email app do you use that doesn't automatically zoom in on the message causing me to scroll to see the whole thing? I find the stock apps and K-9 do this and wonder what you mean by a "fully functioning email system".

knucklehead
Feb 28, 2013, 09:36 AM
No blank page here even going from the top to the end



The scroll indicator appears when you scroll.



20 seconds.

And it has nothing to to with smoothness, it has to dow how the gui works on both platforms, when you scroll on iOS the page is not rerendered and the touch input takes ALL the precedence. On Android the pages are not static and the touch

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I like some things from both

I think the question is: seeing as I get a blank screen on fast scrolling on one device, and cynics reported experiencing it on two devices, why are you reporting different results on yours?

I'm using a 16Gb Nexus 4 (mostly empty) that's all up to date software wise (a new version of chrome magically showed up -- almost as if delivered by unicorn :p). I did a restart, no other apps are open, only one tab in Chrome, and still I get the blanking out screen and no scroll indicator.

If I scrolled slow enough to keep the text visible, I don't know how long it would take to complete - I'm not willing to invest that much time in it.

If I fast scroll (to a blank screen, and no indication of where I am) for 20 seconds, the best I've done is halfway through. It's possible that I might be able to do it a bit faster, but with virtually no feedback from the blank screen, how can you tell how you're doing? The only way I have to see how fare I've gotten, is to wait for the screen to reappear, and see what Author I'm on, and then manually check that against another document - again, not something I want to invest any more time in.


I've also tried downloading this page into word processors on both my N4 and iPod. In Pages on the iPod, I can fast scroll through the document at least as as I could in Safari - the only difference being Pages goes to checkerboard during fast scrolling, which is not a problem because all you really need is a position indicator at that speed .. and Pages has one.

On the Nexus, things are worse that they were in Chrome. I only have two word processors available - Kingsoft Office, and QuickOffice - neither of which support anything you could call quick scrolling -- the scrolling is neither quick, nor at all smooth. Yes, I know the difference between quick and smooth, which was my only other comment in this thread besides reporting on some weather apps that I was happy to see had become available. I haven't even read thigh this thread, so don't associate my participation with the title.

Tinmania
Feb 28, 2013, 09:44 AM
Wow, this post is really something.
If you don't like how you have to "flick" all the time when you're scrolling on iOS, please use a cydia tweak to change the "flicking" algorithm.
You find the word flick so amusing you need to quote it? :cool:

I guess I could always go back to using an iPhone. Well, maybe just for half the year--you know, when a jailbreak is out.




Michael

Oletros
Feb 28, 2013, 09:57 AM
I think the question is: seeing as I get a blank screen on fast scrolling on one device, and cynics reported experiencing it on two devices, why are you reporting different results on yours?


I will try to record a video.

lucasfer899
Feb 28, 2013, 10:10 AM
You find the word flick so amusing you need to quote it? :cool:

I guess I could always go back to using an iPhone. Well, maybe just for half the year--you know, when a jailbreak is out.




Michael

I often find words a hilarity. :rolleyes:
You could go back to using an iPhone, as a jailbreak is always out, just not for the latest update. I can't actually think of anything that 6.1 would add for my Jailbroken iPhone 4 on 5.1.1 :/

knucklehead
Feb 28, 2013, 10:13 AM
I will try to record a video.

Is there anything you can think of about your device that could cause different results?
Are there any word processors on Android I could try that offer rapid scrolling?

I know there are plenty of folks out there with Nexus 4's. It's not difficult to try this.
Why the silence?

Tinmania
Feb 28, 2013, 10:22 AM
I think the question is: seeing as I get a blank screen on fast scrolling on one device, and cynics reported experiencing it on two devices, why are you reporting different results on yours?
I get no blank screen scrolling that mega page on my Note 2.

Also, the scroll indicator is there in Chrome. That page is about the worst one for the indicator because it is so long. The indicator gets shorter the longer the page is--to give you an idea of how long the page is and where you are in it. But on this page, since it is soooooo long, the indicator ends up very short. Regardless, you can see the indicator circled in red in the image I have attached. The horizontal indicator is shown at the bottom.

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=399890&stc=1&d=1362068523


Michael

knucklehead
Feb 28, 2013, 10:39 AM
I get no blank screen scrolling that mega page on my Note 2.

Also, the scroll indicator is there in Chrome. That page is about the worst one for the indicator because it is so long. The indicator gets shorter the longer the page is--to give you an idea of how long the page is and where you are in it. But on this page, since it is soooooo long, the indicator ends up very short. Regardless, you can see the indicator circled in red in the image I have attached. The horizontal indicator is shown at the bottom.

Image (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=399890&stc=1&d=1362068523)


Michael

OK - I can see it now ... but only with extreme effort. On my N4 it couldn't be more than a couple of pixels tall. I can just barely find it when I already know where it should be. Essentially invisible here. The scroll indicator is a visible size on that page in the word processor apps, but the scrolling is atrocious.

Seing as what triggered all this was the claim that iOS can't fast scroll as well as Android (impairing those productive moments of surfing the internet ... :D), are you able to scroll through that page faster then 5 seconds?

viskon
Feb 28, 2013, 11:14 AM
Seing as what triggered all this was the claim that iOS can't fast scroll as well as Android (impairing those productive moments of surfing the internet ... :D), are you able to scroll through that page faster then 5 seconds?
I don't use Chrome, but using the stock Android browser on my Galaxy Nexus, I can scroll through that page in probably about 5 secs.

sc4rf4c3
Feb 28, 2013, 11:31 AM
OK - I can see it now ... but only with extreme effort. On my N4 it couldn't be more than a couple of pixels tall. I can just barely find it when I already know where it should be. Essentially invisible here. The scroll indicator is a visible size on that page in the word processor apps, but the scrolling is atrocious.

Seing as what triggered all this was the claim that iOS can't fast scroll as well as Android (impairing those productive moments of surfing the internet ... :D), are you able to scroll through that page faster then 5 seconds?

Dolphin browser will do this is less than 5 seconds.

knucklehead
Feb 28, 2013, 11:39 AM
I don't use Chrome, but using the stock Android browser on my Galaxy Nexus, I can scroll through that page in probably about 5 secs.

Interesting that an Anroid device considerably less powerful than the N4 would perform better. The Galaxy Nexus is actually a closer hardware comparison to my iPad Touch than the N4.

I just ran the same test using Firefox on the N4, and still the slower scrolling and blanking out screen. The scroll indicator, while still tiny, is at least in the realm of visible.

This isn't just a issue exclusive to Chrome on the N4.

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Dolphin browser will do this is less than 5 seconds.

Wow! Less than 5 seconds! Almost sounds too good to be true.

I'm gonna download Dolphin right now.

Edit:It's downloaded. Scrolls fast when the txtl is far, far too tiny to read. Readable text is much slower with blanking out and breaking up glitchiness.