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dmelgar
Oct 10, 2012, 12:21 PM
Google announced the "Android Update Alliance (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/what-happened-to-the-android-update-alliance/)" in May 2011, promising timely updates for 18 months. The "alliance" has never been mentioned since.

I bought my last Android phone when LTE was first becoming available on Verizon. These were the functionally leading phones of the time because they had LTE. How have they fared?

HTC Thunderbolt: Updated to Gingerbread 2.3. ICS promised for August 2012. Delayed. No word on availability. Still extremely buggy.
Samsung Charge: Updated to Gingerbread. Bug fix update recently. No word on ICS. Not promised.
Motorola Bionic: ICS update promised, but just delayed (9/29/2012) to 4Q2012.
LG Revolution: Updated to Gingerbread but will not be getting ICS.

These phones were released April-June 2011, roughly 17 months ago, less than a year and a half ago.

Instead of adding support, manufacturers are announcing that they're giving up on updates, Motorola announced 9/29/2012 that they would not provide ICS to phones they had previously committed, including the Atrix 4G, Photon 4G, Electrify. HTC announced (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/16/3162225/htc-desire-hd-ics-cancelled) that the Desire HD would not get ICS after working on it for 9 months.

Will the Galaxy S3 fare any better than the Samsung Charge?

NONE of these phones have been updated to ICS, Android 4.0 released ONE YEAR AGO despite Google's pledge. So... 5 months after these phones were released, a new version of Android is released and they have not yet (or ever) received this update.

Android has gone through the following major releases, 2.3 Gingerbread, 3.1 Honeycomb, 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich, and now 4.1 Jelly Bean.

Most of these phones received an update to 2.3 Gingerbread but not even ICS a year after release. Will they get Jelly Bean? Not likely.

This needs to come back and haunt Android. There needs to be accountability. The latest phones always have lots of neat sounding features that may or may not work. But don't kid yourself thinking they will be fixed or that new versions of Android will be released for devices no longer sold.

Manufacturers (Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG) simply have no incentive to provide updates after the phones are no longer manufactured. They only care if you buy a new phone. Its a different business model, traditional cell phone electronics appliance sales, vs. Apple with their ecosystem trying to get you locked in and halo into other products.

Google releases ICS October 19, 2011. Here we are a year later and NONE of the LTE phones released only 17 months ago have received this update. Meanwhile iPhone 3GS released 6/2009, 40 months ago is receiving not just one but the latest update.



maflynn
Oct 10, 2012, 12:31 PM
The advantage of a nexus phone is the fact that you get the updates straight from google and no waiting from the phone manufacturer. The alliance is never mentioned because its a failure. While the goals were admirable they (the manufacturers) were unable to keep up with releasing new phones, with the latest updates and keep rolling out updates to existing customers.

While not a true achilles heel, it is one of the areas that googles has been unable to improve on.

nickchallis92
Oct 10, 2012, 12:34 PM
To be fair, samsung do update their handsets. The S2 for example has gone from 2.3 to 4.1

cynics
Oct 10, 2012, 12:47 PM
I agree with you but updates a just different with Android. While the OS might not be updated a lot of core apps are like Maps. They are separate from the OS so you get updates in the play store.

iOS on the other hand does the opposite. You get the latest OS but lose out of functionality, navigation, FaceTime, FaceTime via cellular.

It's also hard to make a comparison because Apple continues to sell old products. Whereas some Android devices lose support once they are no longer marketed. Making it even more difficult to compare is you are trying to compare 1 manufacture to many. If updates are that important too you get a nexus.

Nexus phones get the latest updates, there are currently only one manufacture, phone is updated yearly, and are supported for a long time. Does this sound familiar?

dmelgar
Oct 10, 2012, 01:06 PM
To be fair, samsung do update their handsets. The S2 for example has gone from 2.3 to 4.1
AT&T is still selling the S2. I wonder if that helps.

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The advantage of a nexus phone is the fact that you get the updates straight from google and no waiting from the phone manufacturer.
Is that true? I couldn't find a reference, but didn't a recent Nexus have a critical update held up by Verizon for months? I remember reading it was giving Nexus a bad name.

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Nexus phones get the latest updates, there are currently only one manufacture, phone is updated yearly, and are supported for a long time. Does this sound familiar?

One manufacturer?
HTC did the Nexus One.
Samsung has done the Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus.
Asus makes the Nexus 7 tablet.
LG is supposed to release the Nexus 4 October 29.

maflynn
Oct 10, 2012, 01:09 PM
Is that true? I couldn't find a reference, but didn't a recent Nexus have a critical update held up by Verizon for months? I remember reading it was giving Nexus a bad name.
Verizon has nothing to do with Nexus, in fact the current crop of Nexus phones are GSM only. Are you thinking of when the Nexus One for verizon was announced then a couple of months later killed off (before seeing the light of day)?

Nexus phones are vanilla android straight from google and thus not on the hook for the manufacturer to decide if and when an update will be release.

tbayrgs
Oct 10, 2012, 01:16 PM
Verizon has nothing to do with Nexus, in fact the current crop of Nexus phones are GSM only. Are you thinking of when the Nexus One for verizon was announced then a couple of months later killed off (before seeing the light of day)?

Nexus phones are vanilla android straight from google and thus not on the hook for the manufacturer to decide if and when an update will be release.

I'm sorry sir but you are mistaken. Verizon does in fact have their own version of the Galaxy Nexus (http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5801), have had it for a long time. And yes, I also do recall a delay in the Verizon version getting the JB update vs. the unlocked GSM version.

dmelgar
Oct 10, 2012, 01:16 PM
Verizon has nothing to do with Nexus, in fact the current crop of Nexus phones are GSM only. Are you thinking of when the Nexus One for verizon was announced then a couple of months later killed off (before seeing the light of day)?

Nexus phones are vanilla android straight from google and thus not on the hook for the manufacturer to decide if and when an update will be release.

Then whats this (http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/device/smartphone/samsung-galaxy-nexus) Nexus phone on Verizon's website?

xuselppa
Oct 10, 2012, 01:20 PM
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One manufacturer?
HTC did the Nexus One.
Samsung has done the Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus.
Asus makes the Nexus 7 tablet.
LG is supposed to release the Nexus 4 October 29.

This is like saying Foxconn is the manufacturer of the iphone, not Apple. The various Android oem companies physically make the phone, but to Googles specs.

maflynn
Oct 10, 2012, 01:25 PM
Then whats this (http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/device/smartphone/samsung-galaxy-nexus) Nexus phone on Verizon's website?

Looks like I'm mistaken. I go to the google nexus page and there isn't any CDMA phone available just GSM.

Since verizon is selling a Nexus phone, its conceivable that they held up an update. Again, I'd get the nexus phone straight from google and that means updates straight from google.

dmelgar
Oct 10, 2012, 01:31 PM
Nexus phones get the latest updates, there are currently only one manufacture, phone is updated yearly, and are supported for a long time. Does this sound familiar?
Didn't the Nexus One have support dropped early? Google only reluctantly provided delayed email support. Seemed they had given up on the Nexus idea for a while until the Nexus S came out.

From Wikipedia,

The Nexus One was released on January 5, 2010.
Google announced in May 2010 that the online store would close, and the phone would be offered in retail stores.
In July 2010, The Daily Telegraph reported in an interview with CEO Eric Schmidt that Google would not be releasing a follow up to the Nexus One.
As of November 1, 2010 Google has closed the Nexus One support forums.
The Nexus One OTA update to Gingerbread (2.3.3) started on 23 February 2011.
Google announced (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/8848669/Android-upgrade-for-Google-Nexus-S-in-weeks.html) that the Nexus One would not get ICS


And this for a phone released AFTER the iPhone 3GS which is still supported.

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This is like saying Foxconn is the manufacturer of the iphone, not Apple. The various Android oem companies physically make the phone, but to Googles specs.

So if the phone busts do you call Google on the Nexus Galaxy on Verizon, do you call Verizon or Samsung or Google for support?

If an iPhone breaks, you certainly don't ask Foxconn for support.

My HTC Thunderbolt prominently says Google on it. I never tried calling them for support.

xuselppa
Oct 10, 2012, 01:37 PM
Didn't the Nexus One have support dropped early? Google only reluctantly provided delayed email support. Seemed they had given up on the Nexus idea for a while until the Nexus S came out.

From Wikipedia,

The Nexus One was released on January 5, 2010.
Google announced in May 2010 that the online store would close, and the phone would be offered in retail stores.
In July 2010, The Daily Telegraph reported in an interview with CEO Eric Schmidt that Google would not be releasing a follow up to the Nexus One.
As of November 1, 2010 Google has closed the Nexus One support forums.
The Nexus One OTA update to Gingerbread (2.3.3) started on 23 February 2011.
Google announced (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/8848669/Android-upgrade-for-Google-Nexus-S-in-weeks.html) that the Nexus One would not get ICS


And this for a phone released AFTER the iPhone 3GS which is still supported.

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So if the phone busts do you call Google on the Nexus Galaxy on Verizon, do you call Verizon or Samsung or Google for support?

If an iPhone breaks, you certainly don't ask Foxconn for support.

My HTC Thunderbolt prominently says Google on it. I never tried calling them for support.
I bought my Nexus 7 through Google, so I would call them. If you bought your Nexus phone through AT&T, you go through them (which is the same procedure as the iphone, no?)

my point was, when Google decides on a new Nexus device, they spec it and then give the manufacturing job to someone in the open handset alliance. The benefit is, the manufacturer gets to brand the product with their name.

ChazUK
Oct 10, 2012, 01:42 PM
Didn't the Nexus One have support dropped early? Google only reluctantly provided delayed email support. Seemed they had given up on the Nexus idea for a while until the Nexus S came out.

From Wikipedia,

The Nexus One was released on January 5, 2010.
Google announced in May 2010 that the online store would close, and the phone would be offered in retail stores.
In July 2010, The Daily Telegraph reported in an interview with CEO Eric Schmidt that Google would not be releasing a follow up to the Nexus One.
As of November 1, 2010 Google has closed the Nexus One support forums.
The Nexus One OTA update to Gingerbread (2.3.3) started on 23 February 2011.
Google announced (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/8848669/Android-upgrade-for-Google-Nexus-S-in-weeks.html) that the Nexus One would not get ICS


And this for a phone released AFTER the iPhone 3GS which is still supported.

This was primarily down to the appalling amount of system storage on the handset (just 512MB with 190MB allocated to user/app data storage).

There were AOSP ICS ROMs avaialbe for the Nexus One which required an EXT partition on the SD card to make everything fit. Obviously not a good situation for the phone.

The Nexus S has fared far better with a Gingerbread, ICS and Jellybean upgrade path which was undoubtedly helped with the larger system storage compared to the Nexus S.

Scrub175
Oct 10, 2012, 01:48 PM
I agree with you but updates a just different with Android. While the OS might not be updated a lot of core apps are like Maps. They are separate from the OS so you get updates in the play store.

iOS on the other hand does the opposite. You get the latest OS but lose out of functionality, navigation, FaceTime, FaceTime via cellular.

It's also hard to make a comparison because Apple continues to sell old products. Whereas some Android devices lose support once they are no longer marketed. Making it even more difficult to compare is you are trying to compare 1 manufacture to many. If updates are that important too you get a nexus.

Nexus phones get the latest updates, there are currently only one manufacture, phone is updated yearly, and are supported for a long time. Does this sound familiar?

HTC nexus one
Samsung nexus s
Samsung galaxy nexus
LG next nexus...

Verizon galaxy nexus still requires carrier validation of update releases. True that u can root and flash the latest direct google release bypassing carrier validation.

iPhone releases when they want and carriers releases are on the side so to speak.

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Then whats this (http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/device/smartphone/samsung-galaxy-nexus) Nexus phone on Verizon's website?

I've been out of the scene but droid life report that the CDMA nexus is in fact back on the AOSP release list for android due to binary changes workarounds or whatever.

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I agree with you but updates a just different with Android. While the OS might not be updated a lot of core apps are like Maps. They are separate from the OS so you get updates in the play store.

iOS on the other hand does the opposite. You get the latest OS but lose out of functionality, navigation, FaceTime, FaceTime via cellular.

It's also hard to make a comparison because Apple continues to sell old products. Whereas some Android devices lose support once they are no longer marketed. Making it even more difficult to compare is you are trying to compare 1 manufacture to many. If updates are that important too you get a nexus.

Nexus phones get the latest updates, there are currently only one manufacture, phone is updated yearly, and are supported for a long time. Does this sound familiar?


Some of the loses were hardware driven and some were carrier driven so that's not so fair of a statement blaming iOS updates for carrier restrictions.

Oletros
Oct 10, 2012, 01:56 PM
Some of the loses were hardware driven and some were carrier driven so that's not so fair of a statement blaming iOS updates for carrier restrictions.

And some of them doesn't have any carrier or hardware restriction.

dmelgar
Oct 10, 2012, 01:57 PM
This was primarily down to the appalling amount of system storage on the handset (just 512MB with 190MB allocated to user/app data storage).

There were AOSP ICS ROMs avaialbe for the Nexus One which required an EXT partition on the SD card to make everything fit. Obviously not a good situation for the phone.

The Nexus S has fared far better with a Gingerbread, ICS and Jellybean upgrade path which was undoubtedly helped with the larger system storage compared to the Nexus S.

Limiting app storage to 190MB is pathetic. I ran into that with my HTC Incredible, although I thought the limit there was 300MB. Absolutely no technical reason to have such a minuscule size limit.

These phones support external storage via microSD. No reason they couldn't make use of it.

iOS also had to deal with lack of RAM in the iPhone 3GS, hence lots of missing features. It only has 256MB RAM, half what the Nexus One has.

ChazUK
Oct 10, 2012, 02:11 PM
These phones support external storage via microSD. No reason they couldn't make use of it.


They did make use of the external storage via the likes of partially moving apps (http://www.androidguys.com/2010/05/22/storing-apps-sd-froyo/) to the SD card but none of the system can be run from external storage.

The only method at the time was to use a separate EXT2/3/4 based partition (which required a wipe of the SD card to create the two EXT and FAT partitions which would then symlink applications from the pitiful internal memory onto the EXT partition).

This was never an official Google solution and did have its drawbacks (especially on low quality, slow SD cards - Remember the issues Samsung Focus owners were having with Windows Phone 7 and slow SD cards being used by the system (http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/11/09/changing-the-micro-sd-card-of-your-windows-phone-7-device-isnt-recommended-by-microsoft/)).

As a matter of fact several Samsung Focus users who decided to change the memory card on their devices are now facing performance problems and AT&T, who claimed that they would allow users to change the memory configuration of their WP7 devices, decided to change its tune and deal directly with Microsoft on this matter.This basically all boils down to the type and quality of the Micro-SD card as stated below:

I'm not entirely sure there would have been an easy rout out for the Nexus One.

Limiting app storage to 190MB is pathetic. I ran into that with my HTC Incredible, although I thought the limit there was 300MB. Absolutely no technical reason to have such a minuscule size limit.
I couldn't agree more with you there. It never did make sense to me to ship these handsets with such low internal memory. Getting the Nexus S with it's 1GB of system storage and 14 odd GB "external" storage was quite liberating at the time.

Of course that is now a thing of the past and now I'd guess on most flagship devices the whole amount of internal storage is available for the system, apps, media and files.

Scrub175
Oct 10, 2012, 02:18 PM
And some of them doesn't have any carrier or hardware restriction.

What are some examples? Not questioning just learning...

Droid life link that supports CDMA is technically supported... http://www.droid-life.com/2012/07/10/yessir-the-lte-galaxy-nexus-is-technically-supported-in-aosp-by-google-again/

Plus google released JB AOSP for CDMA nexus as well...

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/071012-jellybean-260789.html

cynics
Oct 10, 2012, 02:25 PM
AT&T is still selling the S2. I wonder if that helps.

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Is that true? I couldn't find a reference, but didn't a recent Nexus have a critical update held up by Verizon for months? I remember reading it was giving Nexus a bad name.

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One manufacturer?
HTC did the Nexus One.
Samsung has done the Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus.
Asus makes the Nexus 7 tablet.
LG is supposed to release the Nexus 4 October 29.

I think I was a little vague. Currently (now) there is one new Nexus phone and one tablet (like iPhone and iPad). The next release is about a year since the last (iPhone). Sure you can get an old Nexus but the further you go back the less they are supported (like the 3GS doesn't have the software like the 4S and 5).

Apparently what I'm hearing now is a few manufactures are going to be making Nexus phones. This is good because if someone hated Samsung but liked HTC they could still get a Nexus version.

And the Nexus line gets updates from google but there is a carrier delay. Verizon is terrible! The Verizon galaxy nexus just got JB a short time ago. I've only ever had Verizon phones and because of what the due to phones android and iPhone alike ill never get another (if I ever need to pay for my own phone lol).

Oletros
Oct 10, 2012, 02:31 PM
What are some examples? Not questioning just learning...


Siri, Turn by turn navigation.

All the companies make this

dukebound85
Oct 10, 2012, 02:34 PM
Siri, Turn by turn navigation.

All the companies make this

I am not sure about those examples tbh

I would say mms not on the original is the prime example though

Rodimus Prime
Oct 10, 2012, 03:13 PM
Looks like I'm mistaken. I go to the google nexus page and there isn't any CDMA phone available just GSM.

Since verizon is selling a Nexus phone, its conceivable that they held up an update. Again, I'd get the nexus phone straight from google and that means updates straight from google.

they held it up due to the LTE stuff in it. It is those carrier radio stuff that causes the problem. Apple has more power but at the same token do not do anything to the radios with out the carriers saying OK to it.

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Didn't the Nexus One have support dropped early? Google only reluctantly provided delayed email support. Seemed they had given up on the Nexus idea for a while until the Nexus S came out.

From Wikipedia,

The Nexus One was released on January 5, 2010.
Google announced in May 2010 that the online store would close, and the phone would be offered in retail stores.
In July 2010, The Daily Telegraph reported in an interview with CEO Eric Schmidt that Google would not be releasing a follow up to the Nexus One.
As of November 1, 2010 Google has closed the Nexus One support forums.
The Nexus One OTA update to Gingerbread (2.3.3) started on 23 February 2011.
Google announced (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/8848669/Android-upgrade-for-Google-Nexus-S-in-weeks.html) that the Nexus One would not get ICS


And this for a phone released AFTER the iPhone 3GS which is still supported.[COLOR="#808080"]

I will point out that the Nexus One can not run ICS end of story. It does not have enough Flash memory to reflash and do everything with out a heavy risk of bricking the device.

dmelgar
Oct 18, 2012, 08:14 PM
Topic update.
After almost a year and a half, the Droid Bionic is finally getting ICS possibly as soon as tomorrow. AFAIK, this is the first and possibly only one of the original LTE phones on Verizon to get ICS.

Technarchy
Oct 18, 2012, 09:32 PM
It was great getting iOS6 before the iPhone5 was even available...

Dave.UK
Oct 19, 2012, 02:43 PM
Its great to get Jellybean before the Nexus 2 comes out.

Scrub175
Oct 19, 2012, 07:08 PM
Key lime is coming out before JB even hits 5% install rate.

swy05
Oct 21, 2012, 09:04 PM
Although I've been very vocal against Apple these days, I have to applaud them for the way they roll out their ios updates.

They announce a date and bam, everyone receives it at the same time.


Android really needs to get their **** together with the upgrades. It's been over 3 months since Jelly Bean released on the Nexus 7 and the most popular Android phone (Galaxy S3) still doesn't have it (probably less than 5% of the S3 handsets have it).

You can blame the carriers, Samsung, etc. Whatever.

The fact of the matter is that the users are the one who are getting shafted.

And yes we all know about rooting, etc. whatever. There shouldn't have to be a workaround to get an OS update.

onthecouchagain
Oct 21, 2012, 09:12 PM
Although I've been very vocal against Apple these days, I have to applaud them for the way they roll out their ios updates.

They announce a date and bam, everyone receives it at the same time.


Android really needs to get their **** together with the upgrades. It's been over 3 months since Jelly Bean released on the Nexus 7 and the most popular Android phone (Galaxy S3) still doesn't have it (probably less than 5% of the S3 handsets have it).

You can blame the carriers, Samsung, etc. Whatever.

The fact of the matter is that the users are the one who are getting shafted.

And yes we all know about rooting, etc. whatever. There shouldn't have to be a workaround to get an OS update.

Android is a different model with a different approach, different strategy. It wants to proliferate more than be exclusive. The good thing about this model, that is, the good thing about not being afraid to upgrade in major ways is that you sometimes get major leaps forward in changes and improvements (think ICS). Apple's fear of fragmentation and their insistency on keeping legacy devices in the loop, so to speak, prevents them from making any major updates to the OS (which it ironic because sometimes even one year old phones don't have the mainfeatures of the latest upgrade. Think iPhone 4 and SIRI).

It's just a different beast.

If updates are important to you, you said the answer in your own post. Nexus. One phone a year, guaranteed updates. Sound familiar, doesn't it?

ixodes
Oct 21, 2012, 09:17 PM
I get all OS updates in a timely manor no problem.

For my iPhone they come from Apple.
For my Nexus they come from Google.

Simple & straightforward.

swy05
Oct 21, 2012, 09:27 PM
Android is a different model with a different approach, different strategy. It wants to proliferate more than be exclusive. The good thing about this model, that is, the good thing about not being afraid to upgrade in major ways is that you sometimes get major leaps forward in changes and improvements (think ICS). Apple's fear of fragmentation and their insistency on keeping legacy devices in the loop, so to speak, prevents them from making any major updates to the OS (which it ironic because sometimes even one year old phones don't have the mainfeatures of the latest upgrade. Think iPhone 4 and SIRI).

It's just a different beast.

If updates are important to you, you said the answer in your own post. Nexus. One phone a year, guaranteed updates. Sound familiar, doesn't it?

I care about specs. So then, at this point in time. I have to settle for a 4.65 inch screen phone with a dual core cpu, no sd slot, to get OS updates in a timely fashion?

Maybe i want a phone with a bigger screen, sd slot option, faster cpu? Well I guess I can't.

It just seems a bit off-putting that the top of the line premium Android handsets have to wait decades for an OS update.

Samsung announced Jelly bean was coming to the S3 months ago. And yet here we are months later with nothing.

onthecouchagain
Oct 21, 2012, 09:37 PM
I care about specs. So then, at this point in time. I have to settle for a 4.65 inch screen phone with a dual core cpu, no sd slot, to get OS updates in a timely fashion?

Maybe i want a phone with a bigger screen, sd slot option, faster cpu? Well I guess I can't.

It just seems a bit off-putting that the top of the line premium Android handsets have to wait decades for an OS update.

Samsung announced Jelly bean was coming to the S3 months ago. And yet here we are months later with nothing.

Isn't that the same conditions as the iPhone each year? Each year, it's whatever model Apple offers. So you're happy Apple offers timely update, but you're unhappy about the conditions that are required to achieve that?

Don't get me wrong. I'm with you, mate. I wish carriers and manufacturers got their game together and made updating easier and timelier. They have gotten better when compared to the past few years, but there's definitely room for improvement.

I'm simply saying, you can't have everything. It just isn't realistic. I want what you want too, but if you enjoy multiple manufacturers competing with specs, you're going to have to expect more parties involved in the updating process.

xuselppa
Oct 21, 2012, 11:07 PM
Although I've been very vocal against Apple these days, I have to applaud them for the way they roll out their ios updates.

They announce a date and bam, everyone receives it at the same time.


Android really needs to get their **** together with the upgrades. It's been over 3 months since Jelly Bean released on the Nexus 7 and the most popular Android phone (Galaxy S3) still doesn't have it (probably less than 5% of the S3 handsets have it).

You can blame the carriers, Samsung, etc. Whatever.

The fact of the matter is that the users are the one who are getting shafted.

And yes we all know about rooting, etc. whatever. There shouldn't have to be a workaround to get an OS update.
Android needs to get their sh#$ together? Android is an OS, made by Google and they do put their stuff out in a timely manner. Apple is the only company to control when hardware and software get released. They have control from start of manufacturing to point of sale to the consumer. At least Samsung has something similar for the Int'l version of the S3 to do mass updates around the world. N America gets shafted because of the carriers. You don't like having to wait on a carrier, buy an int'l S3. Problem solved.

So which is better? Waiting a year or more for a phone that likely won't change and will maybe get one update to the OS or go with various phones from several manufacturers, in various configurations, and get numerous updates at both the UI and OS level several times in the course of a year?

swy05
Oct 21, 2012, 11:22 PM
Android needs to get their sh#$ together? Android is an OS, made by Google and they do put their stuff out in a timely manner. Apple is the only company to control when hardware and software get released. They have control from start of manufacturing to point of sale to the consumer. At least Samsung has something similar for the Int'l version of the S3 to do mass updates around the world. N America gets shafted because of the carriers. You don't like having to wait on a carrier, buy an int'l S3. Problem solved.

So which is better? Waiting a year or more for a phone that likely won't change and will maybe get one update to the OS or go with various phones from several manufacturers, in various configurations, and get numerous updates at both the UI and OS level several times in the course of a year?

Good job jumping to conclusions.

I have an Intl s3. Mass updates around the world?

I'm here in Korea where we have the beefiest s3 and guess what.. still no jellybean.

Not just here. Only a few select countries and models got the jellybean update.

And way to read my post. I said it doesn't matter who is to blame here. U can blame Google , Samsung, or the carriers. It's the customers who get shafted.

What's the point of announcing an OS upgrade when the majority are going to have to wait months and months to get.

xuselppa
Oct 21, 2012, 11:35 PM
Good job jumping to conclusions.

I have an Intl s3. Mass updates around the world?

I'm here in Korea where we have the beefiest s3 and guess what.. still no jellybean.

Not just here. Only a few select countries and models got the jellybean update.

And way to read my post. I said it doesn't matter who is to blame here. U can blame Google , Samsung, or the carriers. It's the customers who get shafted.

What's the point of announcing an OS upgrade when the majority are going to have to wait months and months to get.

Yes, there are mass updates via this little program called Keis by Samsung. You may have heard of it?

And yes, I read your post. You believe the customer is shafted by Google or Samsung or the carriers because we have to wait a few months for an update. Which is why I asked you if you thought Apples once a year or longer update schedule was better? I guess YOU didn't read my post.

Maybe Samsung should only bother with updates once a year, regardless of when Google announces a new OS? This would make you happier? After all, it is what Apple does.

swy05
Oct 21, 2012, 11:52 PM
Yes, there are mass updates via this little program called Keis by Samsung. You may have heard of it?

And yes, I read your post. You believe the customer is shafted by Google or Samsung or the carriers because we have to wait a few months for an update. Which is why I asked you if you thought Apples once a year or longer update schedule was better? I guess YOU didn't read my post.

Maybe Samsung should only bother with updates once a year, regardless of when Google announces a new OS? This would make you happier? After all, it is what Apple does.

You mean Kies? Mass updates? You mean those tiny incremental upgrades apple does as well for minor fixes.

And in case you've been living under a rock as far as releasing one major update every year. Android and Samsung have been doing the same exact thing.

ICS was released oct 2011. It's oct 2012 and jelly bean is still not here. Theyre actually faring worse than apple here.

At least apple promptly delivers an update when they say they will.

What ridiculous thing do you have to say now?

onthecouchagain
Oct 22, 2012, 12:00 AM
Android is just a different beast. It's that simple.

Thankfully, there are still options to satisfy update-loving people: Nexus.

Again, you cite Apple as the role model of updates. There's an exact line that does it the same exact way. The Nexus' model is precisely one phone a year with whatever specs Google offers, and guaranteed updates. That's the same options you get with Apple and the iPhone, yet somehow they're better at it? Somehow you're upset you can't play the spec-game with Android phones, but you don't have the same problem with Apple offering only their specs for the iPhone?

The only difference between Nexus/iOS updates are that they're released at different points of the year.

Like I said, I get your gripe, but if you're going to use Apple's update model to compare, use the right comparisons and compare fairly.

swy05
Oct 22, 2012, 12:40 AM
Android is just a different beast. It's that simple.

Thankfully, there are still options to satisfy update-loving people: Nexus.

Again, you cite Apple as the role model of updates. There's an exact line that does it the same exact way. The Nexus' model is precisely one phone a year with whatever specs Google offers, and guaranteed updates. That's the same options you get with Apple and the iPhone, yet somehow they're better at it? Somehow you're upset you can't play the spec-game with Android phones, but you don't have the same problem with Apple offering only their specs for the iPhone?

The only difference between Nexus/iOS updates are that they're released at different points of the year.

Like I said, I get your gripe, but if you're going to use Apple's update model to compare, use the right comparisons and compare fairly.

I know what you are saying. But I think you are missing one of my key points.

Samsung announced in August that jellybean was right around the corner for the s3's. It's just about the end of October and practically nowhere to be found.

Forget about the US which will take even longer. They mentioned this for the Intl s3's. It's nearly the end of October and practically no one has it.

I'm saying when apple announces something it's clear. When any other android seller announces it, it's up in the air.

dmelgar
Oct 22, 2012, 12:56 AM
If updates are important to you, you said the answer in your own post. Nexus. One phone a year, guaranteed updates. Sound familiar, doesn't it?

History does not seem to confirm that nexus devices get timely updates over a long period of time. It has not consistently happened. It has not occurred at least as often. Repeating googles line doesn't make it so. This has been discussed earlier in this thread.

Vegastouch
Oct 22, 2012, 01:23 AM
Android is just a different beast. It's that simple.

Thankfully, there are still options to satisfy update-loving people: Nexus.

Again, you cite Apple as the role model of updates. There's an exact line that does it the same exact way. The Nexus' model is precisely one phone a year with whatever specs Google offers, and guaranteed updates. That's the same options you get with Apple and the iPhone, yet somehow they're better at it? Somehow you're upset you can't play the spec-game with Android phones, but you don't have the same problem with Apple offering only their specs for the iPhone?

The only difference between Nexus/iOS updates are that they're released at different points of the year.

Like I said, I get your gripe, but if you're going to use Apple's update model to compare, use the right comparisons and compare fairly.

Its not really a great option when they only offer up a 16GB phone with no Microsdslot. Id LOVE to get a Nexus phone but they keep making it with lacking specs. If it had a MicroSD slot, then ok, but it dont.

So you gain timely updates but lose specs. Its a tradeoff and so far im not willing to lose specs since i can root and flash a ROM to get JB if i have to. And it looks like thats what ill end up doing to my GS3. I been waiting for the Nexus news on their newest phone and its rather disapointing to me.

I dont get why Google wont step it up and tell the makers to give it more when they know the Nexus is gaining in popularity.

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History does not seem to confirm that nexus devices get timely updates over a long period of time. It has not consistently happened. It has not occurred at least as often. Repeating googles line doesn't make it so. This has been discussed earlier in this thread.

They get them as long as Apples do if not longer. When Google updates their Nexus, it gets the whole update which includes the OS and apps.

Apples dont.

The Nexus S has JB. Not sure if the first Nexus does.

irDigital0l
Oct 22, 2012, 01:45 AM
As long as its a Nexus device then its good.

iOS, I don't worry about.

Diiiiips
Oct 22, 2012, 03:47 AM
It really will be funny if KLP is shown off on 29th Oct when so few current phones have received their JB update.

daveathall
Oct 22, 2012, 04:16 AM
I'm using O2 in the UK, received a Jelly Bean update for my S3 today (22-10-12)

onthecouchagain
Oct 22, 2012, 05:05 AM
Yeah, the Nexus line is far from perfect. I, too, wish Google would step up the Nexus program, as there has certainly been tons of growing pains. Since the Nexus 7, however, I feel like they're on the right track.

Hopefully they're starting to figure it out...

onthecouchagain
Oct 22, 2012, 05:16 AM
Its not really a great option when they only offer up a 16GB phone with no Microsdslot. Id LOVE to get a Nexus phone but they keep making it with lacking specs. If it had a MicroSD slot, then ok, but it dont.


Fully agree. I think it comes down to them knowing the Nexus line isn't going to sell as well as say the iPhone, so they invest less to minimize risk. Same thing happened with the Nexus 7. But as you mentioned, the Nexus line and branding is beginning to take off (I've never seen so many Galaxy Nexus in public before as I have these past few months. They're surprisingly common) so hopefully we'll eventually see a 32GB Nexus 4. And hopefully, in the future, from the start.

There are definitely growing pains with the Nexus program.

paulsalter
Oct 22, 2012, 05:19 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned, I dont think it has

What about features added with these updates, how does Android/iOS compare, if they are hardware limitations then fair enough

iPhone 4, didn't get Siri when iOS 5 came out
iPhone 4, doesn't have turn by turn with iOS 6

When JB gets updated onto older models do they get Google Now or is this restricted to newer models only

Regular updates at a set date, as apple do are good, but not very exciting when features are not included in them

onthecouchagain
Oct 22, 2012, 05:27 AM
Yeah, besides the rollout date, iOS updates aren't one to be that envious of.

Sometimes even just one year old devices miss out on the main feature of an update. As others have mentioned, the best example is the iPhone 4 and SIRI.

Likewise, the fact that Apple insists on keeping legacy devices in the loop prevents them from making any major changes and improvements to the OS.

Whereas with Google, sure, they don't rollout perfectly, and it's even more complicated when you start getting other manufacturers and carries involved, but because they don't fear "fragmentation," every now and then we get major leaps in OS upgrades (think the ICS overhaul).

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I know what you are saying. But I think you are missing one of my key points.

Samsung announced in August that jellybean was right around the corner for the s3's. It's just about the end of October and practically nowhere to be found.

Forget about the US which will take even longer. They mentioned this for the Intl s3's. It's nearly the end of October and practically no one has it.

I'm saying when apple announces something it's clear. When any other android seller announces it, it's up in the air.

Well, if that's what you're saying, that's slightly different than the point I was speaking against. I'm in agreement here. Samsung's ambiguity is off putting.

Having said that, at least once you get it, you'll know you'll have every feature JB has to offer.

With Apple, sure they're clear with their rollout date, but the update itself isn't really all that. Look at the iPhone 4. It got skimped on SIRI and now it's getting skimped on turn by turn. These are main features of their respective OS numbers. :\

daveathall
Oct 22, 2012, 05:36 AM
IIRC both 3 and O2 have received the Jelly Bean update in the UK so far, other countries have preceded this roll out. There are a few apps included by O2 that I have deleted, Google Now is present as are some other enhancements and widgets, I am loath to say it is smoother because on ICS my experience was of a very smooth interface, the placebo effect would also cloud my judgement. What I will say is that all is good as far as Im concerned.

This is the second update I have received in the 3 months that I have owned the S3.

ReallyBigFeet
Oct 22, 2012, 06:59 AM
Android users are more likely to upgrade their hardware out of cycle I think, as is evidenced by all the hype surrounding "better specs" for the SG3. I doubt software/OS matters as much to them. They grow bored easily when they aren't carrying the latest specs so the device makers just keep pushing new hardware rather than supporting the old with OS updates. They just throw out a new device with marginal spec improvements over the last and Android fans jump on it just like.....well......just like Apple fans.

Either that or, being that they are Android users, they don't even notice that they have an old, outdated OS in the first place. Given how fragmented things remain I'd say this is more likely. The majority of the users don't realize they are missing an update as for them new OS=new handset purchase.

Look at how many people still run WinXP.

swy05
Oct 22, 2012, 09:10 AM
IIRC both 3 and O2 have received the Jelly Bean update in the UK o far, other countries have preceded this roll out. There are a few apps included by O2 that I have deleted, Google Now is present as are some other enhancements and widgets, I am loath to say it is smoother because on ICS my experience was of a very smooth interface, the placebo effect would also cloud my judgement. What I will say is that all is good as far as Im concerned.

This is the second update I have received in the 3 months that I have owned the S3.

I am jealous =(.

As I mentioned earlier I'm in the homeland of Samsung and still no jellybean upgrade for the LTE versions. =(

tbayrgs
Oct 22, 2012, 12:44 PM
I dont get why Google wont step it up and tell the makers to give it more when they know the Nexus is gaining in popularity.[COLOR="#808080"]

I think Google limits the Nexus hardware for two reasons. First, it's supposed to be a developer phone so in theory it shouldn't need expandable memory or a large amount of on board storage, top end camera or the best screen. Utility and function over design and options. This could obviously change in the future but I don't think it will because of my second reason. If Google were to release a loaded to the gills Nexus phone with top notch features, how do you think that would go over with the other manufacturers? Superior hardware and timely updates--would essentially be cutting their partners off at the knees. Not only are they competing with Apple, now they have to fend off the provider of their OS as well.

Just my $0.02.

VulchR
Oct 22, 2012, 01:03 PM
I still wonder why Google does flex its muscles and require timely updating. Surely there must be a way of seperating the core OS and the layers phone-specific properties and procedures.

ReallyBigFeet
Oct 22, 2012, 01:14 PM
I still wonder why Google does flex its muscles and require timely updating. Surely there must be a way of seperating the core OS and the layers phone-specific properties and procedures.

Because very little of Googles income actually comes from Android. Only about 20% in fact. (http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android.html)

80% of their revenue in the mobile space comes from iOS. True story.

They don't really stand to gain anything by pushing for OS unification. They have already created a dystopian future for their mobile OS strategy and can't control the beast. And if you realize that most of the revenue they DO receive via Android comes from Google Play, they don't really WANT to unify the OS. They actually are playing on the fragmentation to generate their revenue stream. (http://connectedmonster.com/2012/09/22/how-androids-fragmentation-actually-helps-google/)

Oddly enough, I believe the unification strategy for common Android OS updates will originate from those who currently enjoy the benefits of fragmentation the most. The carriers. Specifically, ISIS and NFC payments. This could create a common carrier standards group that pushes for uniform security, only obtainable via a common footprint for the OS. Of course, that assumes ISIS succeeds. Which is doubtful when you consider how much $ Google is pouring into their own Google Wallet strategy, something that competes directly with ISIS.

Jessica Lares
Oct 22, 2012, 01:47 PM
Amazon pushed out like 10 updates to the Kindle Fire in the last year. Probably already pushed out two for the new models. :o

So that's actually much better than iOS where we only get those crazy fast updates when a jailbreak exploit comes out.

The phone manufactures are just horrible though.

ReallyBigFeet
Oct 22, 2012, 01:59 PM
Amazon pushed out like 10 updates to the Kindle Fire in the last year. Probably already pushed out two for the new models. :o

So that's actually much better than iOS where we only get those crazy fast updates when a jailbreak exploit comes out.

The phone manufactures are just horrible though.

Well to be fair, many of the Kindle Fire updates were for the same reasons. People were figuring out ways to sideload and bypass Amazon's walled garden so they patched that. Numerous times.