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MacBH928
Oct 10, 2012, 11:04 PM
I am comparing Android to my iPad iOS , and criticizing Galaxy S3. A friend of mine had an S3 around and I asked to test it out for a few days. Here is a quick list of positives and negatives for any one on the fence. I will start with Negatives.

Negatives:

-Bad design: This phone is not designed to be used well in the real world. By bad design I mean wrong placement of buttons. The "settings" and "back" buttons are at the bottom vertically, and since the phone is so huge while you try to reach a place in the screen, you keep accidentally hitting those 2 buttons. Since they are touch buttons(and extremely sensitive) , as you use the phone you continuously go back or settings screens pop up, which gets frustrating after a while. If you hold the phone from the sides(not normal grip) you will either hit the volume buttons or the "on/off" buttons. So this phone you should keep holding it very delicately . I noticed that your thumb can only reach 75% of the screen forcing you to use 2 hands if you want to reach the menu buttons or any tool bar at top.

-Stutters/crashes: Apps stutter and crashes more than I would like them. I think in total I have been using the phone for 6 hours or so. I had the Swift Keyboard(which is rated like almost 5 stars) crashes/unresponsive twice. I also had browsers stuck unable to load pages. It worked after restarting the device. it feels a bit jittery, with hiccups here and there.

-Google Play: Americans wont worry about this, but if you are not in America you can not access the American store. What does this mean? It means you will skip on very important apps like Amazon Kindle. I am not sure what else you will skip due to this. I think iTunes store does the same , but based on your credit card or address not based on your location using the phone.

- Even though the colors are more "vibrant"(tested against macbook+iPad) on an s3 , I can see the pixels compared to retina displays. Also the slightest tilts of the screen can give a different hue shift. I thought s3 had a blue-ish screen until I started using one, because I always looked at my friend's using one from the side.

-The S3 (I dont know about others androids), have a problem syncing with the mac. I downloaded the Android File Transfer APP , I made the settings . I searched for a solution. It didnt work. Thats enough for me, apps and devices should work for us, we shouldnt work for them. This is the reason people migrate from Windows to Mac. Less hassle. It should work out of the box.

Positives:

-File System: The Android has a full/real file system. Its literally like a mobile pc. So if you like actually seeing your files and the directories, Android does it that way. Personally I think its much better than iOS , "we dont know where the files stored" way of doing things. It just shows up in the apps.

-Bigger Screen: Its huge, and if a big screen is what you want, this is it. I do not think you will have problems watching a show on this display. You can run a youtube video , keep it on the side and do something else. its all good. I think for some, it can work as a tablet replacement!

- Of course, Google Play has no restriction on the apps. Anything goes. Unlike Apple where they have to check out each and every app. Due to Apple's policies we dont have VLC on iOS any more. Of course, this also means that there will be a ton of crapware and unreliable apps.

-backgrounds apps: I know Apple probably does not allow apps to run in the background because it will drain the battery, but this can work so well. I noticed that if you quit an app in iOS that has to transfer something before it tells you it did so, the process is not complete. Think about like Sending a file over Dropbox. How good will it be if you can send a file over to dropbox and then not have to wait for it, just flip to Safari and continue browsing? With android you can!

-I may be wrong but the GUI feels faster and more responsive than iOS

-I was surprised by this , but TEXT is extremely legible on the S3. I ran Pocket and Kindle(I used VPN to access USA store) and reading a book or an article is not bad, not bad at all!

-Notification Center: Ok, this blows iOS away. Notification is soooo good on Android. Its done so well, you get everything in and you are always aware of what is going around your phone. It does not display a lousy popup to inform you about stuff. You have to use it to understand how well it works. And the fact that you can control all the wireless signals(bluetooth , wifi...etc) and more from it, is so convenient. Apple should learn from this.

*****
Conclusion
*****

I won't buy the S3. The reason is very simple, the screen is too huge and it needs tinkering. While Apple is too restricited , you feel that there is so much that could be done and endless possibilities, Android on the other hand is too open that you have to deal with everything yourself. You wish that something could meet in the middle. That just might be the W8 phone.

Android feels like an uncomplete product. It needs a lot of tinkering. If you like to spend hours of your time downloading and fixing stuff to get the system working like on Windows and am guessing Linux, you will love Android. If you just want to get on with your life and enjoy technology iphone is probably your choice.


Not sure how much Jelly Bean will fix of these issues, or if S3 mini is the perfect phone. but for the time being, I am going with iphone 5 this round.



b24pgg
Oct 10, 2012, 11:44 PM
I'm an Android fan and I'd say this is a fair assessment

blackhand1001
Oct 11, 2012, 12:12 AM
The galaxy nexus actually addresses just about everyone of your negative points. The refrshed galaxy nexus 2 in the same form factor is supposed to be released in the very near future with a better camera and a faster cpu (likely ti omap 5 cortex a15, powersgx544mp2).

LIVEFRMNYC
Oct 11, 2012, 12:19 AM
Design is of personal preference. I've been using the GS3 in the "real world" for the past 3 months and have no problems. Nor do I have any problems using one handed operation, although any size bigger might be a problem.

Did you receive the GS3 stock condition? Meaning with factory settings. I ask cause I never have any problems with swift keyboard or 95% of the apps I've tried.

I'm not buying that you can see pixels. I have excellent eye sight and no matter how hard I try, I can't see pixels.

paulsalter
Oct 11, 2012, 03:20 AM
-Google Play: Americans wont worry about this, but if you are not in America you can not access the American store. What does this mean? It means you will skip on very important apps like Amazon Kindle. I am not sure what else you will skip due to this. I think iTunes store does the same , but based on your credit card or address not based on your location using the phone.


I am not in America and can access the Kindle app from the store

There are parts of Play not available outside US (Music is one in the UK)

theluggage
Oct 11, 2012, 07:54 AM
-Google Play: Americans wont worry about this, but if you are not in America you can not access the American store. What does this mean? It means you will skip on very important apps like Amazon Kindle.

AFAIK, the only things we miss out on are Google's US-only cloudy music and video service. The App store seems fine, modulo any Apps that google or the authors have excluded from the UK.

The Kindle App is certainly there - one of the first things I installed.

Apart from that, I think you're pretty much On The Money. I have just got the Note 2 and your points about design apply to that, too. I'd add to that the design of the case back (similar to the S3 AFAIK) - it's very flimsy and although it's not structural I'd hate to break the little clips that hold it on. Of course, this is n/a compared to the totally sealed iPhone, but one of the USPs of Android over iPhone is that some models, like the Note2, take MicroSD cards and have removable batteries - for which you need to be able to take the back off! Especially annoying because the broken Android File Transfer means that a SD card is the only way of doing 'bulk' file syncs with a Mac.

macsmurf
Oct 11, 2012, 09:42 AM
Especially annoying because the broken Android File Transfer means that a SD card is the only way of doing 'bulk' file syncs with a Mac.

Settings -> More... under Wireless and networks -> USB utilities -> Connect storage to PC.

Android File Transfer isn't needed.

Markyboy81
Oct 11, 2012, 11:00 AM
Settings -> More... under Wireless and networks -> USB utilities -> Connect storage to PC.

Android File Transfer isn't needed.

This option doesn't appear to be there anymore on my galaxy s3 international version..

macsmurf
Oct 11, 2012, 12:07 PM
This option doesn't appear to be there anymore on my galaxy s3 international version..

Well, that sucks.

Sensamic
Oct 11, 2012, 12:33 PM
It's weird. I actually prefer the notification center of ios. Why?

Because it shows you a preview of every notification. Here on android I get "3 new emails", but I can't see a preview of them. On JB this changes, but not that much. You can see the last email, but not a preview of the last three.

Also notifications on android take more battery, and you don't get notifications on the lock screen like ios. You get a whistle and the led, but the screen doesn't turn on and shows you a preview.

I miss ios notifications. On the SGS3 it's a little bit clumsy. Sometimes text won't even fit and you just read half of a phrase.

diogolg
Oct 11, 2012, 12:42 PM
-backgrounds apps: I know Apple probably does not allow apps to run in the background because it will drain the battery, but this can work so well. I noticed that if you quit an app in iOS that has to transfer something before it tells you it did so, the process is not complete. Think about like Sending a file over Dropbox. How good will it be if you can send a file over to dropbox and then not have to wait for it, just flip to Safari and continue browsing? With android you can!

I don't own an iPhone so I can't try that, but I'm preety sure that this is possible with the background implementation of iOS... If it's not, it is developers fault, not from the iOS.

xuselppa
Oct 11, 2012, 12:49 PM
I am comparing Android to my iPad iOS , and criticizing Galaxy S3. A friend of mine had an S3 around and I asked to test it out for a few days. Here is a quick list of positives and negatives for any one on the fence. I will start with Negatives.

Negatives:

-Bad design: This phone is not designed to be used well in the real world. By bad design I mean wrong placement of buttons. The "settings" and "back" buttons are at the bottom vertically, and since the phone is so huge while you try to reach a place in the screen, you keep accidentally hitting those 2 buttons. Since they are touch buttons(and extremely sensitive) , as you use the phone you continuously go back or settings screens pop up, which gets frustrating after a while. If you hold the phone from the sides(not normal grip) you will either hit the volume buttons or the "on/off" buttons. So this phone you should keep holding it very delicately . I noticed that your thumb can only reach 75% of the screen forcing you to use 2 hands if you want to reach the menu buttons or any tool bar at top.
I think your interpretation of "bad design" really means, it isn't like the iphone and because I am not used to it, it is therefore a bad design. Ironically, the #1 request for iphone owners that came from an Android phone is a back button. And all Android phones use a similar layout to the S3. If anything, the iphone has a bad design because it requires numerous home button clicks to do what should be a simple 1 click press. But Apple is famous for 'form' over 'function'.

Stutters/crashes: Apps stutter and crashes more than I would like them. I think in total I have been using the phone for 6 hours or so. I had the Swift Keyboard(which is rated like almost 5 stars) crashes/unresponsive twice. I also had browsers stuck unable to load pages. It worked after restarting the device. it feels a bit jittery, with hiccups here and there.
Since we don't know how the phone was set up, what settings you played with, was a launcher used or was it stock, did you go into settings on swiftkey and follow the directions, was the browser set to mobile, desktop, iphone, nothing, did you download from a source not approved by the app store? lots of possibilities to explain your issues. I had the exact same problems with the iphone 5 I bought. It also came with scratches and knicks all over it and the keyboard interface was messed up. I don't think I will lump one bad iphone into an 'every iphone' has this mentality though.

Google Play: Americans wont worry about this, but if you are not in America you can not access the American store. What does this mean? It means you will skip on very important apps like Amazon Kindle. I am not sure what else you will skip due to this. I think iTunes store does the same , but based on your credit card or address not based on your location using the phone.
As noted above, this is not correct and bad info.

Even though the colors are more "vibrant"(tested against macbook+iPad) on an s3 , I can see the pixels compared to retina displays. Also the slightest tilts of the screen can give a different hue shift. I thought s3 had a blue-ish screen until I started using one, because I always looked at my friend's using one from the side.
Actually, I think you are more correct about the blue-ish colored 'white' screens.

The S3 (I dont know about others androids), have a problem syncing with the mac. I downloaded the Android File Transfer APP , I made the settings . I searched for a solution. It didnt work. Thats enough for me, apps and devices should work for us, we shouldnt work for them. This is the reason people migrate from Windows to Mac. Less hassle. It should work out of the box.
It is widely known that Samsung prefers you to use the Keis software and that the AFT app does not work. Any Google search says this. And as stated above, the S3 can simply be turned into a mass storage device through settings to be seen by a Mac as just another USB drive or use the mini sd card route OR you can use an app like dropsync, in conjunction with dropbox, that will auto load any file on to any device you own simultaneously.
Nice thing about this are the options you have to get data to and from people. Meanwhile, an iDevices still can't email a photo, word document and video in a single email. No file system and so many restrictions on what you can and can't do with even the most simple of tasks is what irks me about Apple's iOS based devices.

Of course, Google Play has no restriction on the apps. Anything goes. Unlike Apple where they have to check out each and every app. Due to Apple's policies we dont have VLC on iOS any more. Of course, this also means that there will be a ton of crapware and unreliable apps.
This is both a positive and negative to me. You control what you put on your phone based on the permissions of the app, but if you don't know what the permissions mean or do, it is pointless to view those permissions. You can minimize issues by not allowing any download outside of the Google Play store and only downloading apps with high ratings and installing a virus scanner. I have never downloaded a virus or crapware on any mobile device, whether that was Apple or Android. Common sense usually prevents you getting a virus to begin with.

Android feels like an uncomplete product. It needs a lot of tinkering. If you like to spend hours of your time downloading and fixing stuff to get the system working like on Windows and am guessing Linux, you will love Android. If you just want to get on with your life and enjoy technology iphone is probably your choice.
Again, this seems more to do with your inexperience with Android. It 'feels' like an incomplete product because it requires user input for all tasks, unlike with iDevices that do things for you or basically prevent you from doing things to ensure the system runs smoothly. Apple views the consumer as an obstacle to its product and will take every precaution to minimize your ability to do anything they deem as 'unneccessary'. I personally find this sort of dictatorship counter productive. Although it is true, that if you don't want to think about what you are doing and just use your phone carefree, albeit locked down, the iPhone is the phone to have.


Not sure how much Jelly Bean will fix of these issues, or if S3 mini is the perfect phone. but for the time being, I am going with iphone 5 this round.
If you have doubts about the S3 and are more comfortable with iOS, you should absolutely stick with the iphone. I personally think the 4S is the better deal though, due to all the issues with the iPhone 5 and most apps will likely remain at 3.5" and letterboxed for quite some time to come, since they will require a complete rewrite of code and the extra .49" of sideways stretched real estate, does little to enhance most applications, imo.

Stuntman06
Oct 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
-Bad design: This phone is not designed to be used well in the real world. By bad design I mean wrong placement of buttons. The "settings" and "back" buttons are at the bottom vertically, and since the phone is so huge while you try to reach a place in the screen, you keep accidentally hitting those 2 buttons. Since they are touch buttons(and extremely sensitive) , as you use the phone you continuously go back or settings screens pop up, which gets frustrating after a while. If you hold the phone from the sides(not normal grip) you will either hit the volume buttons or the "on/off" buttons. So this phone you should keep holding it very delicately . I noticed that your thumb can only reach 75% of the screen forcing you to use 2 hands if you want to reach the menu buttons or any tool bar at top.

I personally don't have this issue with my SGS3. I find that iOS and Android are different enough that once you get used to one, the other seems foreign and not so intuitive. With regard to the back button, I like the fact that it is always in the same place. I don't hit it accidentally. On iOS, I'm always looking around for the back button as it jumps around from app to app. The inconsistent placement of the back button frustrates me.

theluggage
Oct 11, 2012, 03:53 PM
I think your interpretation of "bad design" really means, it isn't like the iphone and because I am not used to it, it is therefore a bad design.


So... "You're holding it wrong..." Now where have I heard that before?

No, it's a bad design because the buttons are badly placed and too sensitive, making them too easy to trigger accidentally. Unlike the G.P. I've come from an older Android phone that had similar buttons but didn't have this problem.

What is an Android problem is the "guess when to press the Menu button" feature. Some Apps have pop-up-menus, some don't and the way you find out is to press the Menu button and see if anything happens.

The advantage of a touchscreen is that you can have 'soft' buttons with adaptive labelling and feedback - the price you pay for that is lack of tactile feedback and the danger of accidental triggering on a thin-bezelled phone. The Samsung solution - touch sensitive back and menu buttons with fixed functions and labels... and if you think that invisible, touch sensitive buttons with labels that only appear after you've pressed them are an example of 'good design' then I'm speechless.

(I think some Jelly Bean devices now rely on an on-screen button bar - which can at least provide feedback - but even the Note 2 that launched with JB hasn't picked that up yet).

On the subject, the Note 2 has this great feature that sounds a reminder if you forget to replace the pen and walk away... except the conditions under which it triggers are so specific that you need a YouTube video (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCt7AqNY0zpQ&ei=dih3UNycA6O80QWZ9IDgDQ&usg=AFQjCNFKLO9e2bolKgh5gNFHSaN-ezvCEQ&sig2=j_rPvPGgd5rlYOY9JmHu4w) to show you how to make it go off. Duh.


As noted above, this is not correct and bad info.


Just a theory, but G.P. may have been confused by the "Samsung Apps" store (which does offer a very restricted subset of Android Apps).


It is widely known that Samsung prefers you to use the Keis software and that the AFT app does not work. Any Google search says this.


Yeah, any Google search for "AFT app does not work" - by which time it is usually too late. The official Google page that offers the AFT application neglects to mention that it doesn't work on many of the most popular Android phones.

Or if you do have the foresight to check beforehand, you will probably find that some joker has replied:


And as stated above, the S3 can simply be turned into a mass storage device through settings to be seen by a Mac as just another USB drive


...which is simply not true. I used to do this with my old HTC Hero, but when, in the early part of this year, I tried it with a friend's Nexus the USB Mass Storage mode had been taken away and the only options were MTP or PTP. At that stage AFT still worked, but now either Google or Samsung have broken that, too.


or use the mini sd card route


True - but the flimsy back makes plugging and unplugging it a pain.

I agree that the future is cloud-based, but we're not there yet.

However where Android does come into its own is flexibility for those who tinker - I've just downloaded the "Servers Ultimate" App, created a WEBDAV server and I can now mount it over WiFi from my Mac and drag files. I should now be able to use the custom PHP script I lashed up for my old phone to sync my music. However, it's not exactly a solution that a non-techie user is going to stumble upon (and if you're not careful you'll leave your phone open to hackers).

xuselppa
Oct 11, 2012, 05:00 PM
So... "You're holding it wrong..." Now where have I heard that before?

No, it's a bad design because the buttons are badly placed and too sensitive, making them too easy to trigger accidentally. Unlike the G.P. I've come from an older Android phone that had similar buttons but didn't have this problem.

What is an Android problem is the "guess when to press the Menu button" feature. Some Apps have pop-up-menus, some don't and the way you find out is to press the Menu button and see if anything happens.

The advantage of a touchscreen is that you can have 'soft' buttons with adaptive labelling and feedback - the price you pay for that is lack of tactile feedback and the danger of accidental triggering on a thin-bezelled phone. The Samsung solution - touch sensitive back and menu buttons with fixed functions and labels... and if you think that invisible, touch sensitive buttons with labels that only appear after you've pressed them are an example of 'good design' then I'm speechless.

(I think some Jelly Bean devices now rely on an on-screen button bar - which can at least provide feedback - but even the Note 2 that launched with JB hasn't picked that up yet).

On the subject, the Note 2 has this great feature that sounds a reminder if you forget to replace the pen and walk away... except the conditions under which it triggers are so specific that you need a YouTube video (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCt7AqNY0zpQ&ei=dih3UNycA6O80QWZ9IDgDQ&usg=AFQjCNFKLO9e2bolKgh5gNFHSaN-ezvCEQ&sig2=j_rPvPGgd5rlYOY9JmHu4w) to show you how to make it go off. Duh.



Just a theory, but G.P. may have been confused by the "Samsung Apps" store (which does offer a very restricted subset of Android Apps).



Yeah, any Google search for "AFT app does not work" - by which time it is usually too late. The official Google page that offers the AFT application neglects to mention that it doesn't work on many of the most popular Android phones.

Or if you do have the foresight to check beforehand, you will probably find that some joker has replied:



...which is simply not true. I used to do this with my old HTC Hero, but when, in the early part of this year, I tried it with a friend's Nexus the USB Mass Storage mode had been taken away and the only options were MTP or PTP. At that stage AFT still worked, but now either Google or Samsung have broken that, too.



True - but the flimsy back makes plugging and unplugging it a pain.

I agree that the future is cloud-based, but we're not there yet.

However where Android does come into its own is flexibility for those who tinker - I've just downloaded the "Servers Ultimate" App, created a WEBDAV server and I can now mount it over WiFi from my Mac and drag files. I should now be able to use the custom PHP script I lashed up for my old phone to sync my music. However, it's not exactly a solution that a non-techie user is going to stumble upon (and if you're not careful you'll leave your phone open to hackers).

Gonna run through this quick.

Most people do not have any issues with the button placements on Android phones. Even my wife, with her tiny hands does not have an issue. And Android utilizes both virtual and tactile buttons to make things easier. And if you think that having to click an iphones home button over and over again, then a long hold, then click on an icon, just to do a simple thing like close a program is a better solution, well, I disagree. I much prefer a back button, home button and menu button. Any app I go into, I press the menu button and there's your settings. It's standard. As is the back button. Home button can be programmed to do different things depending on the manufacturer. I like this much better than one single button and then virtual setting buttons that are not standard from app to app.

As for not knowing the product you plan to buy and use (I.e. not knowing how to connect it to a computer or not knowing that Mac's and Android aren't as easy to work with as Windows and Android), then shame on you for not doing any research. But besides that, do you really believe that doing a simple Google search is too difficult? Or removing the back of the S3 to use the micro sd card in your computer takes to long or is difficult? Sounds like you are just trying to find excuses to make it sound like the iphone is the only solution, when in fact the iphone offers a complicated solution, or in many cases, no solution at all.

While I may disagree with you on these points (which are very minor when comparing phones), it is pretty clear that soon everything will be cloud based and fast lte speeds will be the norm for all, pretty much negating the need for computer to phone transfers or sd card storage. I utilize it now to autosync all my apps, docs, filed, pics and view, so they can be viewed on any computer I own or log into. iDevices are simply to restrictive for me. I used to jailbreak every device I owned and just got tired of depending on 1 or 2 people to allow me the ability to use files, or add multiple documents to an email or change my homescreen, place icons where I want or change their look. Just my preference.

theluggage
Oct 11, 2012, 07:08 PM
Most people do not have any issues with the button placements on Android phones. Even my wife, with her tiny hands does not have an issue.


Which Android phone are you talking about? As I said, I had no issues with accidental button presses on my old HTC Hero. Have you actually tried an S3 or Note, which have touch sensitive buttons?



And if you think that having to click an iphones home button over and over again, then a long hold, then click on an icon, just to do a simple thing like close a program is a better solution, well, I disagree.


That's the procedure to completely terminate an application which is rarely necessary under either iOS or Android, which hibernate (iOS) or background (Android) Apps when you click Home, and only require you to actually terminate them if something is wrong.

Sooo... lets actually compare the procedure for terminating an application:

iOS (Post-Siri) -
- 1 click on Home to get you to the Home screen;
- long-click on Home (double-click gets you Siri) to get you into the 'current Apps' menu.
- tap on an icon to re-open an App, long-hold to get the option to terminate it

Android (at least on my Note 2) -
- 1 click on Home to get you to the Home screen;
- long-click on Home (double-click gets you Voice Command) to get you into the 'current Apps' menu.
- tap on an icon to re-open an App, long-hold to get the option to terminate it

Obviously, one of those is the pinnacle of UI design, the other is complete rubbish.


I much prefer a back button, home button and menu button. Any app I go into, I press the menu button and there's your settings. It's standard.


I have no particular problem with that. My issue is that there is no visual cue to tell you when there is a menu.


As for not knowing the product you plan to buy and use (I.e. not knowing how to connect it to a computer or not knowing that Mac's and Android aren't as easy to work with as Windows and Android), then shame on you for not doing any research.


Really? I've been using an older Android phone for the last 3 years and it connected to the Mac perfectly well in USB Mass Storage mode. I knew the newer Androids didn't do that, but I'd used AFT to connect a Nexus to a Mac without any problem. So no, sorry, I didn't anticipate that either Google or Samsung would just plain break such a basic feature.


But besides that, do you really believe that doing a simple Google search is too difficult?


Mea Culpa. Next time I buy something I'll write down a list of the features that I'm going to use and Google every last flaming one of them to see if it is broken.


Or removing the back of the S3 to use the micro sd card in your computer takes to long or is difficult?


Tried it, have we? It may not be rocket science but it is an annoying fiddle, especially getting the back properly clipped down all the way round, and it all relies on lots of tiny plastic latches. The design would be adequate if you only expected to remove the back a few times during the life of the phone. For something you might need to do regularly, it's poor design.


Sounds like you are just trying to find excuses to make it sound like the iphone is the only solution, when in fact the iphone offers a complicated solution, or in many cases, no solution at all.


No. Android is far better if you want to tinker and customise - but the flipside is that you need to customise and tinker to get a satisfactory system.

The iPhone is certainly not faultless, and Apple have really messed up on two things:

1. Maps (as of iOS 6). Android/Google blows it out of the water.
2. File syncing for iWork (...but there are non-Apple office and reader Apps that work fine with DropBox etc.)

...however Android media syncing and playing is a mess compared to iTunes.

doomfront
Oct 11, 2012, 11:37 PM
Android feels like an uncomplete product. It needs a lot of tinkering. If you like to spend hours of your time downloading and fixing stuff to get the system working like on Windows and am guessing Linux, you will love Android. If you just want to get on with your life and enjoy technology iphone is probably your choice.

I strongly disagree with this statement.

theluggage
Oct 12, 2012, 05:32 AM
I strongly disagree with this statement.

So have you owned and used both Android and iOS devices? Because I have and the G.P's comment is bang on.

The advantage of Android is that you can tinker - the disadvantage is that you need to tinker to get some things (like music and video) anywhere near the usability of iTunes.

However, to be fair, the basic phone/messaging/contacts/calendar/web/email side is fine if you're already using Google services (and Google do cloud services better than Apple, especially if you want to work cross-platform).

My advice would probably be to stuck to Google Nexus-branded devices, though (I vowed that last time I bought an Android phone and slightly regret not following my own advice... but I wanted to play with an s-pen :-)) Part of the fragmentation problem is the way Samsung, HTC et. al. tend to double-up on the stock Apps (...and Samsung are now trying to get in on the Cloud/App Store act which doesn't help).

MacBH928
Oct 12, 2012, 08:44 PM
I think your interpretation of "bad design" really means, it isn't like the iphone and because I am not used to it, it is therefore a bad design. Ironically, the #1 request for iphone owners that came from an Android phone is a back button. And all Android phones use a similar layout to the S3. If anything, the iphone has a bad design because it requires numerous home button clicks to do what should be a simple 1 click press. But Apple is famous for 'form' over 'function'.

I never said the back button was a problem, I said its place on the phone was a problem"not practical" because when I try to reach the top using one hand with my thumb, my hands keep hitting the back button unintentionally.



Since we don't know how the phone was set up, what settings you played with, was a launcher used or was it stock, did you go into settings on swiftkey and follow the directions, was the browser set to mobile, desktop, iphone, nothing, did you download from a source not approved by the app store? lots of possibilities to explain your issues. I had the exact same problems with the iphone 5 I bought. It also came with scratches and knicks all over it and the keyboard interface was messed up. I don't think I will lump one bad iphone into an 'every iphone' has this mentality though.



I did not setup, I just reset the phone to factory settings then did an upgrade as the phone said there was an upgrade. I installed all apps from Google Play. I didnt use launcher to test application only Samsung's default GUI. The brower was set to mobile as I always got mobile version of websites.



As noted above, this is not correct and bad info.


I am not sure what you are talking about. Just google "Google Play access outside US"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1546218



It is widely known that Samsung prefers you to use the Keis software and that the AFT app does not work. Any Google search says this. And as stated above, the S3 can simply be turned into a mass storage device through settings to be seen by a Mac as just another USB drive or use the mini sd card route OR you can use an app like dropsync, in conjunction with dropbox, that will auto load any file on to any device you own simultaneously.

I know it can work as a USB storage. I tried to make it work it didn't. I researched , downloaded the Android app from android.com. No use, I did setup the S3 as usb AND as camera PTP or whatever it was. It didn't work. If I will keep researching everything then this phone is more work than fun using.

Dropbox is not a replacement. You only get 2GB free then you have to deal with bandwidth, and its much faster to access an HD video from your SD card or phone than waiting for it to load from Dropbox.



Again, this seems more to do with your inexperience with Android. It 'feels' like an incomplete product because it requires user input for all tasks, unlike with iDevices that do things for you or basically prevent you from doing things to ensure the system runs smoothly. Apple views the consumer as an obstacle to its product and will take every precaution to minimize your ability to do anything they deem as 'unneccessary'. I personally find this sort of dictatorship counter productive. Although it is true, that if you don't want to think about what you are doing and just use your phone carefree, albeit locked down, the iPhone is the phone to have.


That is ok. If you would like to spend your time trying to figure out how everything works and fixing each app on its own, as I said this phone will be better than an iPhone for you. People who want to get on their life and do not want to do a research and spend half an hour fixing each setting should go with what works right out of the box, even if it means its so much more restricted.




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If you have doubts about the S3 and are more comfortable with iOS, you should absolutely stick with the iphone. I personally think the 4S is the better deal though, due to all the issues with the iPhone 5 and most apps will likely remain at 3.5" and letterboxed for quite some time to come, since they will require a complete rewrite of code and the extra .49" of sideways stretched real estate, does little to enhance most applications, imo.

You do have a point, and 4s is probably a lot cheaper

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Just a theory, but G.P. may have been confused by the "Samsung Apps" store (which does offer a very restricted subset of Android Apps).



No I am talking about Google Play , I googled it. If you are outside America you miss on USA specific apps. It happened with Amazon Kindle of all things with me.

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I strongly disagree with this statement.

When I say uncomplete product, I do not mean that the Applications half work. I mean that there is so much room for improvement . A lot of things need to be setup up manually. Its like they are saying "Here, we did most of the stuff, you go and complete the rest on your own" .

Dont get me wrong, I am getting sick of how restricting iOS is. For the price of an iPhone , I want a full file system but unfortunately the Android is too unrestricted for me its a bit chaotic.

I am really hoping that someone will pick it up and make the right Android phone(software wise) maybe like what Ubuntu did to Linux? and what Apple did to digital media . Full working package

thefredelement
Oct 12, 2012, 09:25 PM
Well if you use Play Music, the music player is awesome, because it's iTunes match for free and accessible anywhere you can use your google account. And if you get USB storage working you can use the free app DoubleTwist to sync your iTunes to your Android (and it looks just like iTunes, it's neat). But Google is really gearing towards getting users in to their ecosystem. (So is Samsung, Sprint, Verizon, etc. it's so annoying at this point...)

As far as this USB storage stuff, I've had this issue on my Mac Pro with a variety of android devices (droid incredible, nexus s, galaxy nexus, epic, gs3), for some reason after I have an iDevice plugged in via USB, I have to power off and back on to connect an android device as mass storage. I have no idea why.

I don't like this AFT stuff, I think it's crap, there should be direct access. I don't know why having a sole MTP connection is ideal, especially for a platform like android. It doesn't make any sense... We're talking SD storage/USB storage, hardly in need of innovation.

There's some really good points going back and forth in this thread, but having just going over it myself (gave the i5 a shot, really love the device, can't stand the lack of information/integration and communication ability), I have to say the truth is in the middle.

Android for the S3 is one thing but it doesn't represent what android is. (Which is a crock all by itself)

I would never suggest anyone uses an non Nexus android, the experience is drastically different. IMO, the only comparison between android & iOS can happen between an iPhone and a Nexus, it's the only apples to apples comparison.

Being not really a fan of either but a user of both, I long for the day that devices are as cool in the hand as an iPhone, as polished as the iOS experience, as flexible as android and with apps that range the spectrum of both ecosystems, as well as easy to integrate in to any media anyone has, throw in unlimited, reliable LTE data and it'd be just a consumer grand slam.

Imagine a Siri type of interaction with the resources of Google Now. Or Google Voice tied in to the iOS dialer & messaging apps? (the iOS mail app is awesome, and with Google setup as exchange, it's the best mobile mail client I've ever used). Or how about iOS with real multi-tasking? Or combining notification systems? (actionable excerpts). WP8 won't be the answer, at least not yet anyway.

iOS is standing still compared to the Google centric features being added to android with each release. Android doesn't have one handset that feels as good as an iPhone. Android is imploding with all these stupid a$$ OEM skins and carrier restrictions on software updates. JIT and virtual machine is a sham, android (and it's apps) should run native on that kind of hardware. It's no secret devs prefer iOS, they need to cut the crap already.

I like the choices Apple has made for it's users in iOS but I like the choices I get to make in android, it makes the device tailored to how I use it and I save time and get what I want faster.

These two companies have to stop the BS and just team up and make something great for everyone!

paulsalter
Oct 13, 2012, 05:38 AM
I am not sure what you are talking about. Just google "Google Play access outside US"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1546218




What country are you in that cannot get the kindle app (i am assuming it's a country that doesnt have amazon content)

Can you provide some other examples of apps that are US only, I searched google as you mentioned but got nothing (only read first page of results though)

MacRumorUser
Oct 13, 2012, 05:44 AM
Can you provide some other examples of apps that are US only, I searched google as you mentioned but got nothing (only read first page of results though)

Pandora for 1 ;-)

paulsalter
Oct 13, 2012, 05:49 AM
Pandora for 1 ;-)

Thanks

Is Pandora a US only music service ?

MacRumorUser
Oct 13, 2012, 06:02 AM
Thanks

Is Pandora a US only music service ?

Yeah it a radio service that's very popular. Never experienced it myself either, I just use TuneIn or absolute radio and i'm happy ;-)

There are of course a lot of the TV apps for networks in the US of course that wont work outside, much the same as TV apps for UK & Ireland.

There's spotify as well, does that work in the UK ? I know it doesn't in Ireland.


But again really you can't use those arguments against android specifically because if your not in that country they don't work or even appear on the iOS devices either, or in those App Store or Google Play stores.

paulsalter
Oct 13, 2012, 07:53 AM
But again really you can't use those arguments against android specifically because if your not in that country they don't work or even appear on the iOS devices either, or in those App Store or Google Play stores.

This was what I was trying to clarify with the OP about kindle, not sure what countries don't have kindle service, but perhaps he is one of them

Good point on media apps, I can think of a few that are only for UK now

Not tried spotify app, it is available, but I only have the free version so app is no good for me

theluggage
Oct 13, 2012, 08:04 AM
No I am talking about Google Play , I googled it. If you are outside America you miss on USA specific apps. It happened with Amazon Kindle of all things with me.

Ok, well I can only confirm that Kindle is present and correct on Google Play, in the UK, on my Note 2 and also on my old HTC Hero. It was one of the first things I installed. You'll probably find some Apps actively blocked because the services they use aren't available in the UK for licensing reasons (somebody mentioned Pandora?). I'm sure the same applies to Apple.

kdarling
Oct 13, 2012, 08:42 AM
I am comparing Android to my iPad iOS , and criticizing Galaxy S3. A friend of mine had an S3 around and I asked to test it out for a few days.

I'm generally leery of reviews that only cover "a few days" of use. It took me more than a few days to get to appreciate the WebOS philosophy of working, for example, and it's taken me even longer to understand the best ways (for me) to interact with Android in the most advantageous manner.

That said, oh boy, do I agree with this hardware design observation:

If you hold the phone from the sides(not normal grip) you will either hit the volume buttons or the "on/off" buttons. So this phone you should keep holding it very delicately .

Half the time that I turn on my Nexus, I manage to turn down the volume at the same time.

Any phone built like this, with the power and volume buttons either directly opposite or directly adjacent to each other, drives me crazy.

I prefer a large power button put somewhere else (top, back) that's easy to hit when wished, but otherwise out of the way.

MacBH928
Oct 13, 2012, 07:51 PM
This was what I was trying to clarify with the OP about kindle, not sure what countries don't have kindle service, but perhaps he is one of them

Good point on media apps, I can think of a few that are only for UK now

Not tried spotify app, it is available, but I only have the free version so app is no good for me

http://www.hacktik.com/access-blocked-content-of-google-play-from-outside-usa.html/

http://www.cactusvpn.com/vpn/access-google-play-uk-vpn-service/

This is basically is telling me "Oh ...you cant buy, go pirate"


Many countries are restricted to its own content. For example, I believe Hulu is a US only. So if you are from UK you cant access it. There is a lot similar to this stuff.

The difference between iTunes approach and Google Play is that iTunes allow you to register as if you are in the USA if you have USA credit card . Google play uses IP address, how do I know this? because when I used a VPN I accessed all the USA's apps . What if I was an American traveling ?

btw, if you don't know this, I am complaining about this because outside USA Google Play/iTunes store are extremely limited in apps. What do you think is available on Bhutan's or Mongolia's Google Play/iTunes store?

MacBH928
Oct 13, 2012, 08:20 PM
I'm generally leery of reviews that only cover "a few days" of use. It took me more than a few days to get to appreciate the WebOS philosophy of working, for example, and it's taken me even longer to understand the best ways (for me) to interact with Android in the most advantageous manner.




I think I am tech savvy enough to know what to test .I've been online daily for about 15 years now.
I understand when you say I need more time to appreciate the Android device. Trust me I do appreciate its capabilities. I came out having a positive opinion about it, and if in the future they fix its issues consider me a happy buyer.

#1 issue for me is that I hate computer devices that lets you constantly fiddle around just to get on with your life. Thats why I switched from Windows to mac. On windows you spend more time setting up and fixing than using the computer. I have been using Mac for 10 years now I am still not sure whats in the System preferences...thats a good thing because I hardly go there or need to. I can the same about the iPad which I have now for about 2 years. When I got the Android I kept going back to the settings to figure things out...and sometimes it did NOT figure out like transferring files to a mac (Only the richest company in the world) .

Android should go with an Apple approach. Google Play apps should be monitored like Apple apps, but with the option to download from other stores like OS X App Store. Also they should work with specific manufacturers to make sure of best software+hardware compatibility. The "take and do whatever you want with it" is not a good business idea. This is exactly what Linux have been doing for the last 15 years, its still didnt pick up as a competitor for Windows or Mac...hahaha even though its FREE yet OS X and Windows is to be paid for!

Also the regulating and monitoring approach is the reason more people are making Ubuntu popular choice, they are concentrating on one flavor and making the best out of it to work and have enough support.

LIVEFRMNYC
Oct 13, 2012, 08:33 PM
I think I am tech savvy enough to know what to test .I've been online daily for about 15 years now.
I understand when you say I need more time to appreciate the Android device. Trust me I do appreciate its capabilities. I came out having a positive opinion about it, and if in the future they fix its issues consider me a happy buyer.

#1 issue for me is that I hate computer devices that lets you constantly fiddle around just to get on with your life. Thats why I switched from Windows to mac. On windows you spend more time setting up and fixing than using the computer. I have been using Mac for 10 years now I am still not sure whats in the System preferences...thats a good thing because I hardly go there or need to. I can the same about the iPad which I have now for about 2 years. When I got the Android I kept going back to the settings to figure things out...and sometimes it did NOT figure out like transferring files to a mac (Only the richest company in the world) .

Android should go with an Apple approach. Google Play apps should be monitored like Apple apps, but with the option to download from other stores like OS X App Store. Also they should work with specific manufacturers to make sure of best software+hardware compatibility. The "take and do whatever you want with it" is not a good business idea. This is exactly what Linux have been doing for the last 15 years, its still didnt pick up as a competitor for Windows or Mac...hahaha even though its FREE yet OS X and Windows is to be paid for!

Also the regulating and monitoring approach is the reason more people are making Ubuntu popular choice, they are concentrating on one flavor and making the best out of it to work and have enough support.

This statement tells me your not tech savvy at all. No offense intended.

MacBH928
Oct 13, 2012, 10:47 PM
I said I am tech savvy not Linus Torvalds

roxxette
Oct 14, 2012, 12:10 AM
I think I am tech savvy enough to know what to test .I've been online daily for about 15 years now.
I understand when you say I need more time to appreciate the Android device. Trust me I do appreciate its capabilities. I came out having a positive opinion about it, and if in the future they fix its issues consider me a happy buyer.

#1 issue for me is that I hate computer devices that lets you constantly fiddle around just to get on with your life. Thats why I switched from Windows to mac. On windows you spend more time setting up and fixing than using the computer. I have been using Mac for 10 years now I am still not sure whats in the System preferences...thats a good thing because I hardly go there or need to. I can the same about the iPad which I have now for about 2 years. When I got the Android I kept going back to the settings to figure things out...and sometimes it did NOT figure out like transferring files to a mac (Only the richest company in the world) .

Android should go with an Apple approach. Google Play apps should be monitored like Apple apps, but with the option to download from other stores like OS X App Store. Also they should work with specific manufacturers to make sure of best software+hardware compatibility. The "take and do whatever you want with it" is not a good business idea. This is exactly what Linux have been doing for the last 15 years, its still didnt pick up as a competitor for Windows or Mac...hahaha even though its FREE yet OS X and Windows is to be paid for!

Also the regulating and monitoring approach is the reason more people are making Ubuntu popular choice, they are concentrating on one flavor and making the best out of it to work and have enough support.

Well if you had to spend lot of time "setting up and fixing" i guess you where doing stuff you didnt know about :)

Seems to your a follower, nothing wrong with that but i dont think you should mention your a tech savy :eek: if you didnt know how transfer a files in and out of a android device.

paulsalter
Oct 14, 2012, 03:13 AM
Many countries are restricted to its own content. For example, I believe Hulu is a US only. So if you are from UK you cant access it. There is a lot similar to this stuff.



Then you should be blaming the service/developer

This is not an Android problem

Have you got any examples that are no regional based media apps

macsmurf
Oct 14, 2012, 03:51 AM
Well if you had to spend lot of time "setting up and fixing" i guess you where doing stuff you didnt know about :)

Seems to your a follower, nothing wrong with that but i dont think you should mention your a tech savy :eek: if you didnt know how transfer a files in and out of a android device.

He happens to be right about this particular thing. On the S2 it's a simple matter but the S3 cannot be connected as a storage device. The S3 supports MTP and PTP which isn't supported by OS X as a way to access the data on the phone. It works on Windows, though.

So you can blame Apple for not implementing MTP and you can blame Samsung for leaving out a particurlarly useful feature.

Related link: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/18/impromptu-qa-session-with-android-engineer-dan-morrill-brings-to-light-reasons-behind-galaxy-nexus-lack-of-usb-mass-storage/

thefredelement
Oct 14, 2012, 08:35 AM
He happens to be right about this particular thing. On the S2 it's a simple matter but the S3 cannot be connected as a storage device. The S3 supports MTP and PTP which isn't supported by OS X as a way to access the data on the phone. It works on Windows, though.

So you can blame Apple for not implementing MTP and you can blame Samsung for leaving out a particurlarly useful feature.

Related link: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/18/impromptu-qa-session-with-android-engineer-dan-morrill-brings-to-light-reasons-behind-galaxy-nexus-lack-of-usb-mass-storage/

in PTP I see the phones can be used in iPhoto, maybe there's another way to get to their storage? (aside from DoubleTwist AirSync)

roxxette
Oct 14, 2012, 09:22 AM
Well thats apple problem, when you plug something on Mac its 90% you have to download some stuff or drivers etc

Samsung problem too aswell; anyway i apologize to the person :) accordinh to MR my post was "frivolous"

MacBH928
Oct 14, 2012, 11:02 PM
Well if you had to spend lot of time "setting up and fixing" i guess you where doing stuff you didnt know about :)

Seems to your a follower, nothing wrong with that but i dont think you should mention your a tech savy :eek: if you didnt know how transfer a files in and out of a android device.

Yes , because a linux user can set it up as he likes it in 60 seconds right?
Even if you know what you are doing, it takes time to set things up dont lie to yourself.

As for transferring files, if I :
1) Connected the device to my computer
2)Chose the 2 different methods of transferring the files
3)Downloaded the Android official app to transfer files to mac
4)Researched its step by step process to make it work
5)adjusted the settings in the phone

and yet it still didnt not transfer the files , I guess the Android is very user friendly, its my problem I dont know how to write custom software and then compile it just so I can transfer some files from my computer to my phone.

Even my lousy Blackberry can do this...its called plug and play.

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Then you should be blaming the service/developer

This is not an Android problem

Have you got any examples that are no regional based media apps

it is not problem with the OS , that is true , but its something you have to keep your eye opened for when purchasing an Android device. Believe it or not, there are 6.7 billion people outside the US , and they do use smart phones.

I am not sure what non media apps are US only, but I thought Android was on the opposite of iTunes. While Apple was so restrictive about what you can put on the iTunes store in a very controlled environment (not even emulation is allowed) I thought Android was on the other end of the spectrum where it is a free for all.

Seems Android has restrictions too.

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Well thats apple problem, when you plug something on Mac its 90% you have to download some stuff or drivers etc


I am not sure what you are talking about. I have been using mac daily for 10 years , I never had to download any drivers to make any thing work. Everything was plug and play... S3 was the only device that did not work AT ALL even thought I did download the official app for it.

MacBH928
Oct 14, 2012, 11:20 PM
But again really you can't use those arguments against android specifically because if your not in that country they don't work or even appear on the iOS devices either, or in those App Store or Google Play stores.

What if those features/apps are like Siri ,iCloud?, or maps? Would u say its an argument against iOS if it works only IN America?

Vegastouch
Oct 14, 2012, 11:24 PM
Design is of personal preference. I've been using the GS3 in the "real world" for the past 3 months and have no problems. Nor do I have any problems using one handed operation, although any size bigger might be a problem.

Did you receive the GS3 stock condition? Meaning with factory settings. I ask cause I never have any problems with swift keyboard or 95% of the apps I've tried.

I'm not buying that you can see pixels. I have excellent eye sight and no matter how hard I try, I can't see pixels.

Ive never had Swiftkey crash on me...EVER, on either of my Android phones i had. I dont have an issue hitting the buttons on the bottom when i dont want to. Maybe its just thats guys problem which shouldnt mean it is a GS3 problem.

As for the screen and him seeing pixels, ...i call BS as well.

MacRumorUser
Oct 15, 2012, 01:49 AM
What if those features/apps are like Siri ,iCloud?, or maps? Would u say its an argument against iOS if it works only IN America?


But what are the CORE apps on Android ONLY work in America, you failed to mention any. We had to guess what apps you were talking about.

But in regards to likes of Siri, iCloud & new Maps.

Siri is next to useless for me with local searches unavailable and weather unsupported whenever I ask, and you can forget about Irish names or places she / he just craps out. iCloud is good, but I'd rather have my MobileMe & iDisk back, and lets forget the new Maps, because again for where I am it's lacklustre at best and next to useless, I just use Navigon now,

So yes there are plenty of users who miss out on features these core apps have because they are not fully supported in all countries.

That definetly could be used as an argument against iOS because these apps are core, and are marketed as apps that define iOS iPhone experience.

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Ive never had Swiftkey crash on me...EVER,

I've had it crash a number of times on different devices, with the usual stopped working message. It might be specific to dictionary / language pack setup but it certainly does crash now and again.

As for hitting buttons I've done it. I have hit the home button sometimes inadvertently when trying to type fast on swift key and instead of hitting spacebar i hit off the capacitive home button. Not a big problem but again it is entirely possible (this is on a One X not a GS3)

macsmurf
Oct 15, 2012, 05:56 AM
I am not sure what non media apps are US only, but I thought Android was on the opposite of iTunes. While Apple was so restrictive about what you can put on the iTunes store in a very controlled environment (not even emulation is allowed) I thought Android was on the other end of the spectrum where it is a free for all.

Seems Android has restrictions too.

Would you prefer being allowed to download apps that are nonfunctional outside of the US?

Various media apps are restricted to the US by the publisher due to licensing issues. It makes no sense to put those apps in the international Google Play store. It's actually more user friendly to exclude them to avoid confusion.

MacBH928
Oct 16, 2012, 12:49 AM
@macrumoruser

I do not know of any core Android apps that do not work outside US. I was trying to point out that , if a certain app or feature that does not WORK due to location its a negative point towards that OS/device like you said Siri is useless in Ireland, therefor its a negative thing towards the iOS

@MacSmurf

You do make a valid point about not putting an app that is location restricted available for download. But if you live outside the US you will know how this starts to get frustrating, soon a lot of things are US only.

All I will say is that many people here can get access to the iTunes store and do make purchases for music and video(not sure if illegal or legal given that you did pay for it) , but I cant say the same about Android unless you use VPN