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b24pgg
Oct 12, 2012, 10:58 PM
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b24pgg
Oct 13, 2012, 12:12 AM
God just watching how choppy the S3 was in that video gave me a headache.
Not sure if trolling. At exactly what time in the video does the S3 appear choppy to you?

Androidfan1x
Oct 13, 2012, 12:25 AM
God just watching how choppy the S3 was in that video gave me a headache.

it's just an android problem, don't you know ios is always smoother than android. but then again the s3 has some unique features that samsung makes that other android phones don't have.

onthecouchagain
Oct 13, 2012, 12:34 AM
I'm not even a fan of the S3, but if it was Apple that first introduced some of its features or if it was the iPhone to have it while others didn't, iOS-devotees would be the first to let you know how wonderful it is.

But, you know, if a non-Apple competitor does it first or has a feature the iPhone doesn't have, "who needs it?" or "the world isn't ready for it."

Yet, when Apple introduces new technologies or features (Thunderbolt port, anyone?), they're labeled as innovators pushing the frontiers.

Love the consistency.

diegoesk
Oct 13, 2012, 12:52 AM
That wasnt choppy at all. Def nothing compares to the smoothness of iOS..

but dayum!

Apple gotta step its game up ASAP... This video really demonstrates the phone capabilities. Only can imagine what they will do with the galaxy note2

cynics
Oct 13, 2012, 01:38 AM
He said he was going to do one for the iPhone vs the S3 in the iPhones favor too. I'm looking forward to see that one.

matttye
Oct 13, 2012, 05:13 AM
Should be called "fifty features the iPhone 5 doesn't have" , making this video and then a video called "fifty reasons the iPhone 5 is better than the Galaxy S3" makes him seem fickle :p

That said; double tap to top?!?! That only works in contacts as far as I know, or maybe one or two other Samsung apps. Tapping the status bar in the iPhone scrolls to the top of ANY list. Therefore double tap to top is not an advantage.

He does make some good points though. :)

Evoken
Oct 13, 2012, 07:30 AM
Good video, thanks for posting. I saw it yesterday and actually learned a couple of new things :)

Dontazemebro
Oct 13, 2012, 08:25 AM
Not a fan of the S3 but the video does show a lot of basic things you can enjoy on android that might not even be accomplished with jailbreak on the iPhone.

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God just watching how choppy the S3 was in that video gave me a headache.

There is a bit of jerking but I wouldn't call it choppy. Mainly just different than how the iphone works.

JodyK
Oct 13, 2012, 09:20 AM
Thank you iPhone competition for keeping Apple on its toes! Loving my iPhone 5!

NutsNGum
Oct 13, 2012, 09:38 AM
Quite a few of the things the guy in this video mentioned are available on the iPhone. No. 33 - Wireless sync being one.

VulchR
Oct 13, 2012, 10:15 AM
I'm not even a fan of the S3, but if it was Apple that first introduced some of its features or if it was the iPhone to have it while others didn't, SOME – BUT CERTAINLY NOT ALL – iOS-devotees would be the first to let you know how wonderful it is.

But, you know, if a non-Apple competitor does it first or has a feature the iPhone doesn't have, "who needs it?" or "the world isn't ready for it."

Yet, when Apple introduces new technologies or features (Thunderbolt port, anyone?), they're labeled as innovators pushing the frontiers.

Love the consistency.

Fixed that for you. :)

I'd like to same the same kind of thing about Samsung devotees, but since everything done by Samsung is derivative from Apple we'll never know. :p

And, yes, I kid, I kid.

OceanView
Oct 13, 2012, 11:05 AM
Wow, the S3 is amazing.
Hope these features will come out on the Note II cause I am getting it.
As for Apple fans, guess your gonna be the ones waiting in that line asking yourself, are we getting these features next year?

Keep waiting......

Sensamic
Oct 13, 2012, 12:20 PM
A few more reasons:

* Capacitive buttons. Better than hardware buttons. The back button is amazingly useful.
* Video calling to any phone except iPhone. Facetime only works with iPhone, iPad and Mac.
* Better maps app, better YouTube app.
* Background downloads while you do something else.
* Notifications icons in the status bar.
* Ability to jailbreak (called root) easily from day one. No need to wait months for the jailbreak to be released. Ability to downgrade firmware any time easily also.
* Ability to upload any type of file to dropbox, your NAS, etc.
* Download any type of file from internet and being able to use it, like a .rar or .zip and extract its files inside.
* Weather on lockscreen, news, voice commands, etc.
* New Google Now and Google voice search.
* Radio FM. IPhone can listen to web radio, but there are places where 3G is not available.
* Ability to install apps that would never be allowed on ios, such as a torrent downloader, emulators, etc.
* Offline voice dictation on several languages.
* Backups are way more faster to restore with nandroid backup. Works just like an iTunes backup, but takes only 12 minutes for me.
* My 48 GB version cost me 300€ less than what the 16GB iPhone 5 costs. 16GB plus 32GB micro SD. I just can't understand how a 16GB phone can cost 669€ unlocked and 599€ on contract with my voice and data plan.

Nice things, but the phone is too big! :D:D

Rogifan
Oct 13, 2012, 01:50 PM
wow and people complain about iPhone sheep....

onthecouchagain
Oct 13, 2012, 02:25 PM
wow and people complain about iPhone sheep....

And rightfully so.

You just don't get the same level of intellectual dishonesty from Android-fans as you do iOS-fans. How many times have we heard the phrase "it just works" uttered? Too many.

Android fans will rise to the occasion to address whatever myths and obfuscations that Android-haters will say about the platform, but beyond that, they tend to talk more candidly and honestly about the shortcomings of Android (I myself have discussed many times the pitfalls of Android, even with Jelly Bean). You just don't see this level of honesty from iOS-devotees.

And the worse thing? These iOS-devotees don't realize just how detrimental they are to not just painting a realistic picture of Apple, but to Apple themselves. We now know that Apple actually pays close attention to consumers when it comes to their products. It's more important now than ever to talk honestly their shortcomings. To some degree, they are listening.

All the while, real Apple fans (of which, there are a few here) who are able to admit and discuss their problems, and able to say 'no' to their products are the ones really trying to have Apple improve. There are some of us who recognize that iOS can be better (and obviously so thanks to the jailbreak community). It's silly that we have to convince a vast majority of others first that there is even a need to have such a discussion. If anybody, it's Apple fans that should be the first to point out shortcomings.

Is Samsung starting to have their own "sheep"? I actually think so. But to suggest they're at the same level of iPhone-sheep is reaching.

spork183
Oct 13, 2012, 02:36 PM
Wow, the S3 is amazing.
Hope these features will come out on the Note II cause I am getting it.
As for Apple fans, guess your gonna be the ones waiting in that line asking yourself, are we getting these features next year?

Keep waiting......

Exactly! New Tagline: Samsung, for people who don't want to wait in line!


:D

1member1
Oct 13, 2012, 02:50 PM
Even with those 50 reasons I dont think i'll ever buy any samsung product.
when the S4 will arrive in march they will forget about the S3 anyway so what's the point.
this is the best reason not to buy S3.

OceanView
Oct 13, 2012, 02:54 PM
wow and people complain about iPhone sheep....

What are you talking about?
So people that love the features of a non iPhone are considered sheep?

Look, I'm all in on Apple and have been for years but when I see other products that have features that I want, then I look at those alternatives and choose the one that works for me. I will come out and say that something is bad if it is regardless if it was made by Apple or another manufacturer. I'm also not saying everything about Samsung is great either but for the most part their new phones are awesome.

Apple needs to innovate now cause the competition has passed them.
No question about it.

Dave.UK
Oct 13, 2012, 02:59 PM
Even with those 50 reasons I dont think i'll ever buy any samsung product.
when the S4 will arrive in march they will forget about the S3 anyway so what's the point.
this is the best reason not to buy S3.

Really? S2 is still supported and will be receiving the jelly bean update.

Once again, rubbish spouted by ios fans. Do people not research what they post anymore?

1member1
Oct 13, 2012, 03:15 PM
Really? S2 is still supported and will be receiving the jelly bean update.

Once again, rubbish spouted by ios fans. Do people not research what they post anymore?
I know it. it will always come after the S3. my 3gs got upgrade in the same day of all iphones.

and then the S4 will come out in march and the S2 can be useless because samsung probably won't update it beyond jelly bean.
how long took the ICS update to come for the S2 ? 5-8 months ? and now jelly bean is like 3-4 months.

come on..

Dave.UK
Oct 13, 2012, 04:19 PM
I know it. it will always come after the S3. my 3gs got upgrade in the same day of all iphones.

and then the S4 will come out in march and the S2 can be useless because samsung probably won't update it beyond jelly bean.
how long took the ICS update to come for the S2 ? 5-8 months ? and now jelly bean is like 3-4 months.

come on..

Does it really matter? I bought the S2 when it was on gingerbread and was happy with it. I was then happy when the upgraded it to ICS.

I then got the S3 and am very happy with ICS. I know i'll get jelly bean at some point in the future, but im in no rush. If I wanted instant updates I would have got the Galaxy Nexus like the missus.

Why are ios users so impatient!

LIVEFRMNYC
Oct 13, 2012, 06:40 PM
Reason 51: Ability to record calls. Auto or manual.

Reason 52: Bluetooth transfers and profiles.

Reason 53: Pinch to see all home screens at once.

Reason 54: Wifi settings don't show list of previous connections unless in range on the iPhone. GS3 does.

Reason 55: Only Black and White options. I'm loving my maroonish red color.

TheMTtakeover
Oct 13, 2012, 06:48 PM
I would have got the Galaxy Nexus like the missus.


I got the galaxy nexus...biggest mistake of life. I had terrible service with it. Like my 5+ year old flip hone gets better reception. Other than that I loved the phone though.

xuselppa
Oct 13, 2012, 06:54 PM
Even with those 50 reasons I dont think i'll ever buy any samsung product.
when the S4 will arrive in march they will forget about the S3 anyway so what's the point.
this is the best reason not to buy S3.

Would this same logic apply to iphones? Why buy the iphone 5 when you know the 6 will have some feature the 5 won't be able to get. Reminds me of the iphone 4 and ipad 2 not getting Siri, when both were more than capable. Now you see the same thing happening in ios 6. With this sort of logic, why buy anything since something better will eventually replace it?

Sensamic
Oct 13, 2012, 07:11 PM
I just improved double my Wi-Fi performance on the SGS3 by changing the channel id on my router.

Now it's way faster. In extremely happy. I was worried about it. I've gone from one bar to three now constantly.

It loads YouTube videos in one second and web pages are more faster to load now than on my iPad 1.

kevinof
Oct 14, 2012, 02:31 AM
Good point. Most home wifi routers defaults to channel 2 or 3 which is a heavily congested part of the spectrum. I had problems with mine and the broadband support guys changed it to channel 8 and its been flying since.

I just improved double my Wi-Fi performance on the SGS3 by changing the channel id on my router.

Now it's way faster. In extremely happy. I was worried about it. I've gone from one bar to three now constantly.

It loads YouTube videos in one second and web pages are more faster to load now than on my iPad 1.

mysteryfans
Oct 14, 2012, 04:07 AM
Here is another reason why you should buy Samsung Galaxy S3 (http://buysamsunggalaxys3.org/)..

flameproof
Oct 14, 2012, 04:51 AM
it's just an android problem, don't you know ios is always smoother than android.

Dream on. My iPhone 4 ain't smooth at all. WP7 is way smoother and has zero lags.

Other then that, the 50 reasons are silly. I just need a few good reasons to buy a phone. iPhone has a few good points too. iPhones problem is that updates come too slow.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 08:24 AM
Does it really matter? I bought the S2 when it was on gingerbread and was happy with it. I was then happy when the upgraded it to ICS.

I then got the S3 and am very happy with ICS. I know i'll get jelly bean at some point in the future, but im in no rush. If I wanted instant updates I would have got the Galaxy Nexus like the missus.

Why are ios users so impatient!

Wait what? We're impatient because we can download our new firmware updates as soon as they're publicly released?

I can't believe you said that, lol.

matttye
Oct 14, 2012, 08:26 AM
Does it really matter? I bought the S2 when it was on gingerbread and was happy with it. I was then happy when the upgraded it to ICS.

I then got the S3 and am very happy with ICS. I know i'll get jelly bean at some point in the future, but im in no rush. If I wanted instant updates I would have got the Galaxy Nexus like the missus.

Why are ios users so impatient!

Because software updates contain new features and bug fixes that improve the experience of using the device.

b24pgg
Oct 14, 2012, 09:24 AM
Because software updates contain new features and bug fixes that improve the experience of using the device.
Tell that to anyone who used Google Maps on iOS 5 and then upgraded to iOS 6.

Dave.UK
Oct 14, 2012, 09:55 AM
Wait what? We're impatient because we can download our new firmware updates as soon as they're publicly released?

I can't believe you said that, lol.

Thats because I didnt say that :rolleyes:

If you want instant updates on Android, then buy a nexus device. If you want another device such as the S3, then you will just have to wait for it to be released. As long as the phone works, I really cant see what the rush is!

Nophix
Oct 14, 2012, 09:57 AM
I carry a 4s and a gs3. I use both lines all day, everyday.

I like the open nature of Android. Google integration is also a major advantage, and lets face it, Google is way ahead of many in the world of free services. Gmail, gvoice, drive, all work perfect on the S3.

The downsides for me have been size and battery life. It's a cumbersome device to hold. I took it over from my wife for that reason, and gave her my S2.

I like iOS and the iPhone a lot. When I jump in my motorcycle, it's the 4s I take. Music player is far superior, IMO. Form factor wins it, and battery life is amazing. I love how the iPhone fits in my hand. Unless you have gorilla paws, you aren't able to fully use the S3 one handed.


One more thing, I use navigation all day for work, and the S3 is far superior. New iOS maps is unusable in my territory.


I'll keep carrying both. The S3 is getting swapped for a note2 in spring. That will replace my tablet and that phone line.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 10:05 AM
Thats because I didnt say that :rolleyes:

If you want instant updates on Android, then buy a nexus device. If you want another device such as the S3, then you will just have to wait for it to be released. As long as the phone works, I really cant see what the rush is!

I just don't understand how you can justify waiting so long for Android updates. It's a flaw of Android, period.

Dave.UK
Oct 14, 2012, 11:11 AM
I just don't understand how you can justify waiting so long for Android updates. It's a flaw of Android, period.

Im saying that for the majority of people, including myself, having to wait for the update isnt a problem. I have a fully working GS3 on ICS which does everything I want it to do. AT some point over the next month I will get the Jellybean update - im in no rush though.

If you want android updates as soon as they are released, get a nexus device.

OceanView
Oct 14, 2012, 11:16 AM
I just don't understand how you can justify waiting so long for Android updates. It's a flaw of Android, period.

yes that is one of the flaws with Android.
As I've said before, both iPhones and Androids have pros and cons.
It's really about which pros you prefer and which cons you can live with.

dmelgar
Oct 14, 2012, 11:35 AM
Im saying that for the majority of people, including myself, having to wait for the update isnt a problem. I have a fully working GS3 on ICS which does everything I want it to do. AT some point over the next month I will get the Jellybean update - im in no rush though.

If you want android updates as soon as they are released, get a nexus device.

That doesn't make sense.
You have a working brand new phone running a reasonably current version of android.
Why does that show that android gets updated?

Look at the 1.5 year old HTC thunderbolt or Samsung Charge or LG revolution. None of them have ICS yet after ICS has been available for a year.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 11:35 AM
yes that is one of the flaws with Android.
As I've said before, both iPhones and Androids have pros and cons.
It's really about which pros you prefer and which cons you can live with.

I totally agree.

bigjnyc
Oct 14, 2012, 11:44 AM
Competition is always good for us consumers so thats great. Personally Android looks too messy and sloppy for me, it would drive me nuts. I like the clean smoothness of iOS.... But again thats just a personal opinion and I feel you should get whichever device suits your personal preference.

Dmaynard83
Oct 14, 2012, 11:58 AM
The verge already rated the i5 higher than the s3. Users even give the i5 10 points higher on the website.

Benchmarks indicate the i5 outperforms the s3. Stop beating a dead horse, the iPhone 5 won a long time ago.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 12:15 PM
The verge already rated the i5 higher than the s3. Users even give the i5 10 points higher on the website.

Benchmarks indicate the i5 outperforms the s3. Stop beating a dead horse, the iPhone 5 won a long time ago.

The iPhone 5 isn't really better in the Geekbench benchmarks. I agree that's it better, but that point wasn't correct.

daveathall
Oct 14, 2012, 12:20 PM
I have both phones, they really are superb devices, IMHO it's honestly down to which one is preferable to the user. ATM the phone I prefer is the S3, that in no way detracts from the iPhone 5, its stunning.

Mahhhlon
Oct 14, 2012, 01:05 PM
This is a pretty absurd list. One of them is a stylus... Seriously? Many others have been included in the iPhone since 2007. At BEST most these boil down to personal preference. There are maybe 2 of the 50 listed that I legitimately can say the iPhone is lacking, not enough to make me consider switching.

1member1
Oct 14, 2012, 02:38 PM
Would this same logic apply to iphones? Why buy the iphone 5 when you know the 6 will have some feature the 5 won't be able to get. Reminds me of the iphone 4 and ipad 2 not getting Siri, when both were more than capable. Now you see the same thing happening in ios 6. With this sort of logic, why buy anything since something better will eventually replace it?

Siri wasn't part of iOS 5. I believe apple should make difference between the models.
sometimes I do not agree but samsung is way over it.

matttye
Oct 14, 2012, 03:41 PM
Tell that to anyone who used Google Maps on iOS 5 and then upgraded to iOS 6.

One off :p

onthecouchagain
Oct 14, 2012, 05:07 PM
The verge already rated the i5 higher than the s3. Users even give the i5 10 points higher on the website.

Benchmarks indicate the i5 outperforms the s3. Stop beating a dead horse, the iPhone 5 won a long time ago.


Have you even read the Verge review? Particularly the Software section? Josh Topolsky writes about how limiting and frustrating iOS is becoming and how more usable Jelly Bean is comparatively.

Some highlights:


"Apple is still making users jump through hoops to perform simple tasks, like switching to a private browsing window or clearing the cache in Safari. It takes no less than six button presses and home key taps to make that happen while browsing.

Multitasking remains a black box, not representing app states and forcing what should be "always on" applications like IM clients into a constant state of shutdown warnings.... It sounds minor, but when taken as a whole and spread across multiple applications, it makes the OS feel claustrophobic, mysterious, and downright unhelpful at times.

I must mention this — the fact that the weather icon continues to read 73 degrees and sunny when it is clearly possible to have icons update with at least some information (see the calendar icon) is now laughable at best, and sad at worst.

Don't get me wrong, iOS is a beautiful and well-structured mobile operating system — but it's begun to show its age. It feels less useful to me today than it did a couple of years ago, especially in the face of increasingly sophisticated competition. I always have this sense now in iOS of not knowing where I am, what my status is — constantly having to load things and reload them. It feels tiring.

Maybe you'll call me an Android fanboy for saying this, or maybe it's because much of my business utilizes Google apps and its communication tools, but it didn't take me very long with the iPhone 5 to start thinking about getting back to the Galaxy Nexus and Jelly Bean (Android 4.1). For what I do, I think it's a more effective, more elegant, and more powerful OS right now. What it may lack in polish and consistency, it makes up for in power and flexibility."

I encourage you to read the whole review, especially the Software section. It's about time a high-profile tech writer on a high-profile tech website is talking about iOS' shortcomings.

If you love you iPhone, kudos to you. There are others who want more out of their smartphones.

onthecouchagain
Oct 14, 2012, 05:19 PM
I just don't understand how you can justify waiting so long for Android updates. It's a flaw of Android, period.

Can't handle waiting? Stick with the Nexus line. One phone a year, guaranteed updates for at least two years. Sound familiar?

That's the beauty of freedom of choice. You can pick according to what you feel is important. It's bizarre how people like you not only can't appreciate that, but want to hate on it. The Nexus line nullifies this whole fragmentation argument.

And in regards to this fear of fragmentation:
1) iOS is fragmented too.
2) Blame the carriers more than anything.

And most importantly...

3) Fear of fragmentation is precisely what keeps Apple from offering a dramatic upgrade or change to iOS. Google doesn't fear fragmentation and so they can evolve faster. Every couple of years, they'll throw in an ICS-level upgrade; a dramatic change with huge improvements. People who care about updates benefit greatly from this (mainly people on the Nexus line). Apple's desire to keep legacy devices in the loop prevents them from making any major changes to iOS, which in itself is ironic because sometimes devices just one year old will lose out on the main feature(s) of the latest update (iPhone 4 and SIRI, for example).

If that's cool for you, all good, mate. For others, it's a slow game that isn't paying off.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 05:27 PM
Can't handle waiting? Stick with the Nexus line. One phone a year, guaranteed updates for at least two years. Sound familiar?

That's the beauty of freedom of choice. You can pick according to what you feel is important. It's bizarre how people like you not only can't appreciate that, but want to hate on it. The Nexus line nullifies this whole fragmentation argument.

And in regards to this fear of fragmentation:
1) iOS is fragmented too.
2) Blame the carriers more than anything.

And most importantly...

3) Fear of fragmentation is precisely what keeps Apple from offering a dramatic upgrade or change to iOS. Google doesn't fear fragmentation and so they can evolve faster. Every couple of years, they'll throw in an ICS-level upgrade; a dramatic change with huge improvements. People who care about updates benefit greatly from this (mainly people on the Nexus line). Apple's desire to keep legacy devices in the loop prevents them from making any major changes to iOS, which in itself is ironic because sometimes devices just one year old will lose out on the main feature(s) of the latest update (iPhone 4 and SIRI, for example).

If that's cool for you, all good, mate. For others, it's a slow game that isn't paying off.

Yeah I would only go Nexus.

Jb07
Oct 14, 2012, 06:02 PM
When will we stop with this "Phone XX is better than XX?" Neither phone is "better" than the other. People have different wants and needs and there are plenty of options to suit them.

Dmaynard83
Oct 14, 2012, 06:20 PM
Have you even read the Verge review? Particularly the Software section? Josh Topolsky writes about how limiting and frustrating iOS is becoming and how more usable Jelly Bean is comparatively.

Some highlights:


"Apple is still making users jump through hoops to perform simple tasks, like switching to a private browsing window or clearing the cache in Safari. It takes no less than six button presses and home key taps to make that happen while browsing.

Multitasking remains a black box, not representing app states and forcing what should be "always on" applications like IM clients into a constant state of shutdown warnings.... It sounds minor, but when taken as a whole and spread across multiple applications, it makes the OS feel claustrophobic, mysterious, and downright unhelpful at times.

I must mention this — the fact that the weather icon continues to read 73 degrees and sunny when it is clearly possible to have icons update with at least some information (see the calendar icon) is now laughable at best, and sad at worst.

Don't get me wrong, iOS is a beautiful and well-structured mobile operating system — but it's begun to show its age. It feels less useful to me today than it did a couple of years ago, especially in the face of increasingly sophisticated competition. I always have this sense now in iOS of not knowing where I am, what my status is — constantly having to load things and reload them. It feels tiring.

Maybe you'll call me an Android fanboy for saying this, or maybe it's because much of my business utilizes Google apps and its communication tools, but it didn't take me very long with the iPhone 5 to start thinking about getting back to the Galaxy Nexus and Jelly Bean (Android 4.1). For what I do, I think it's a more effective, more elegant, and more powerful OS right now. What it may lack in polish and consistency, it makes up for in power and flexibility."

I encourage you to read the whole review, especially the Software section. It's about time a high-profile tech writer on a high-profile tech website is talking about iOS' shortcomings.

If you love you iPhone, kudos to you. There are others who want more out of their smartphones.

And after all that it still gets a higher rating than the s3.

I understand you have an s3 and need to justify your purchase. Just saying the reviews and benchmarks point that the iPhone 5 is better.

12dylan34
Oct 14, 2012, 06:51 PM
Not sure if trolling. At exactly what time in the video does the S3 appear choppy to you?

7:33-7:40 is one example. It's a good phone and I like the big screen and design, but Android is choppy and less refined feeling than iOS. I use my phone for making calls, texting, and casual entertainment when there's nothing else to do, so I couldn't care less about Android's "openness" or the long list of other things people boast about.

onthecouchagain
Oct 14, 2012, 06:56 PM
And after all that it still gets a higher rating than the s3. Just saying the reviews and benchmarks point that the iPhone 5 is better.

No one is denying the scores. The iPhone 5 is a phenomenal device. But is there anything else you can retort with besides pointing to scores and benchmarks? This is almost like iOS fans mentioning Apple's sales figures as if that somehow means it's a better OS.

Anything you disagree with regarding Josh Topolsky's review of iOS and its shortcomings? Is he wrong?

Anything else you can retort with to the 50 things listed in the video? Are all 50 things absolutely useless to you? If Apple were to have those 50 features while the competition didn't, would you be just as dismissive? Somehow, I doubt it.

Like I said, it's great you find the iPh5 good for you, but coming to the Alternative forums to point out scores and benchmarks will convince people who want more from their phones very little. Entering a thread discussing 50 things the S3 has that the iPh5 doesn't only to point out some apparent choppiness while having little to nothing to retort about the actual list is revealing. And S3 owners are the insecure ones, right.

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7:33-7:40 is one example. It's a good phone and I like the big screen and design, but Android is choppy and less refined feeling than iOS. I use my phone for making calls, texting, and casual entertainment when there's nothing else to do, so I couldn't care less about Android's "openness" or the long list of other things people boast about.

That's great, but try not to pretend the iPhone doesn't lag or have its share of issues every now and then too. I've owned two iPhones in the past, and have experienced lag with the keyboard (numerous missed keys, multiple letters that don't write out until a second or so later after tapping, etc.); I've experienced lag with folders opening; lag with certain apps launching or switching between apps; I've even experienced the occasional freezing (especially with the lock screen); seen missing icons, etc.

No OS is perfect.

r0k
Oct 14, 2012, 07:27 PM
I have a Samsung GP5 and an iPhone 4. I have an iPhone 5 that just passed through Anchorage, AK yesterday on its way here. Yay!

I'm really impressed with the video and I plan to watch his iP5 video when it comes out. I was stuck at a hotel in Houston where the wifi in the lobby was on the fritz and they wanted me to pay 11 bucks per night per device for internet. The clueless idiots tried to say it was my iPad's fault I couldn't get online. So I went up to the room and grabbed my GP5 and brought up Wifi Analyzer.

I showed the snarklehead at the front desk the signals rising and falling so quickly it was impossible to do any real work using their "free" internet. This convinced them to waive the charges for the rest of my stay. I could have shown them the same thing on my iP4... if I'd been willing to jailbreak it and get the same app through Cydia.

When the guy was talking about openness, despite the fact I normally like curated computing, I found myself in agreement because the bad experience in Houston was still fresh in my memory.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 07:31 PM
This is all well and great, but that video really just demonstrates how much of a hot mess Android is. There's no consistency, everything looks tacked on and crappy.

There are pros and cons to both approaches.

Evoken
Oct 14, 2012, 08:57 PM
...that video really just demonstrates how much of a hot mess Android is. There's no consistency, everything looks tacked on and crappy.

By all means do elaborate.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 09:02 PM
By all means do elaborate.

It's just such a cluttered, haphazard UI that changes from screen to screen. There's so much ugly design, with no polish. I don't know how to elaborate, do you want me to critically analyze each frame or something?

Dinh
Oct 14, 2012, 09:09 PM
It's just such a cluttered, haphazard UI that changes from screen to screen. There's so much ugly design, with no polish. I don't know how to elaborate, do you want me to critically analyze each frame or something?

Yo do realise that you can make the Ui Look exactly as you want it? :rolleyes:

3bs
Oct 14, 2012, 09:12 PM
It's just such a cluttered, haphazard UI that changes from screen to screen. There's so much ugly design, with no polish. I don't know how to elaborate, do you want me to critically analyze each frame or something?

I have no idea which video you're talking about but I've tried TouchWiz and I'm currently running Vanilla Android and neither are anywhere near as you describe them.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 09:18 PM
I have no idea which video you're talking about but I've tried TouchWiz and I'm currently running Vanilla Android and neither are anywhere near as you describe them.

It's not so much stock Android, it's all the third party extensions.

Vegastouch
Oct 14, 2012, 09:20 PM
It's just such a cluttered, haphazard UI that changes from screen to screen. There's so much ugly design, with no polish. I don't know how to elaborate, do you want me to critically analyze each frame or something?

Usually that means you dont know what your talking about. I mean if you cant even explain yourself, then what you said is irrelevant. However, we all know your a hater anyways. Dont know why you bother to come to the alternative section.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 09:27 PM
Usually that means you dont know what your talking about. I mean if you cant even explain yourself, then what you said is irrelevant. However, we all know your a hater anyways. Dont know why you bother to come to the alternative section.

Not at all. I know exactly what in talking about, and I clarified it. I like Android a lot, but it's not without flaws. This forum is designated to compare alternatives to iOS devices, after all.

Evoken
Oct 14, 2012, 09:50 PM
It's just such a cluttered, haphazard UI that changes from screen to screen. There's so much ugly design, with no polish. I don't know how to elaborate, do you want me to critically analyze each frame or something?

Frankly, I don't see how it changes anymore than iOS from screen to screen. In Android you have your desktop screens which you can setup however you want with widgets or icons, then if you enter system settings you have a different looking interface and if you enter the notifications you also have a different view.

It is the same with iOS. You enter the Notificaiton Center you have one interface, you enter system settings, another interface both different from the home screens with the rows of icons.

If you are talking about individual applications, again how is it so different from iOS? Even with the stock apps from Apple in iOS you have many different looking interfaces. From Newsstand to Passbook to Notes/Reminders to Weather and Music, you get varying interfaces.

For 3rd party apps, applications like Twitter, Google+, YouTube, Instagram, Evernote, Amazon, IMDB, Netflix, etc look practically the same on Android and iOS, thus if these 3rd party apps make Android's UI look "cluttered" and "haphazard", then they do the same to iOS given how similar these apps look in both platforms.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 09:56 PM
Frankly, I don't see how it changes anymore than iOS from screen to screen. In Android you have your desktop screens which you can setup however you want with widgets or icons, then if you enter system settings you have a different looking interface and if you enter the notifications you also have a different view.

It is the same with iOS. You enter the Notificaiton Center you have one interface, you enter system settings, another interface both different from the home screens with the rows of icons.

If you are talking about individual applications, again how is it so different from iOS? Even with the stock apps from Apple in iOS you have many different looking interfaces. From Newsstand to Passbook to Notes/Reminders to Weather and Music, you get varying interfaces.

For 3rd party apps, applications like Twitter, Google+, YouTube, Instagram, Evernote, Amazon, IMDB, Netflix, etc look practically the same on Android and iOS, thus if these 3rd party apps make Android's UI look "cluttered" and "haphazard", then they do the same to iOS given how similar these apps look in both platforms.

Just use iOS for a day and then do what this guy did on the video. You'll know what I'm talking about. This sort of thing is clear as day for iOS users, Android users seem to just delude themselves into disregarding design or finish. Or iOS users care about pointless things and live in a dysfunctional sandbox, from the other perspective.

Evoken
Oct 14, 2012, 09:58 PM
Just use iOS for a day and then do what this guy did on the video. You'll know what I'm talking about. This sort of thing is clear as day for iOS users...

I've been using iOS for well over three years :) First with an iPod touch, then an iPhone 3GS and then an iPhone 4.

zbarvian
Oct 14, 2012, 10:03 PM
I've been using iOS for well over three years :) First with an iPod touch, then an iPhone 3GS and then an iPhone 4.

Android's biggest issues for me are it's ugly 3rd party apps, it's lack of polish, and it's weak responsiveness. iOS has always had all three, and I'm spoiled by it. Even the UX head of Android feels they are only 1/3rd of where he'd like to be with polish and responsiveness. As soon as they fix those and get everything up to iOS-level, I'm jumping ship.

Evoken
Oct 14, 2012, 10:43 PM
Android's biggest issues for me are it's ugly 3rd party apps, it's lack of polish, and it's weak responsiveness. iOS has always had all three, and I'm spoiled by it.

What 3rd party apps are you referring to that are ugly? I listed several of the most commonly used apps. Others like Dropbox, WhatsApp, Google Drive, Shazam, Chrome, feedly, pulse, etc look very much as they do in iOS. Other apps that are not also in iOS like doubleTwist have a nice looking interface.

Are there ugly 3rd party apps? Of course...on both Android and iOS. But there are also plenty of good looking ones and the most common apps that are both on Android and iOS look practically the same.


Even the UX head of Android feels they are only 1/3rd of where he'd like to be with polish and responsiveness.

Sure, not that this means much. I am sure that if asked and if he is honest, Forestall would admit that there is plenty of work to do in iOS too as far as improving polish and responsiveness. My iPhone 4 lagged and was slow to respond occasionally with iOS 5. My uncle also complained about this happening to him on his iPhone 4.

Granted, Android is not as responsive as iOS but I have to say that using my S3 with Ice Cream Sandwich I find Android very responsive and fast, do not experience any lag and after I install the Jelly Bean update it will be even quicker. The difference in responsiveness between iOS and Android is practically negligible with the latest updates and modern hardware.

xuselppa
Oct 14, 2012, 10:56 PM
Just use iOS for a day and then do what this guy did on the video. You'll know what I'm talking about. This sort of thing is clear as day for iOS users, Android users seem to just delude themselves into disregarding design or finish. Or iOS users care about pointless things and live in a dysfunctional sandbox, from the other perspective.

Seems to me that iOS has remained unchanged in going on 6 years now and on a phone that hasn't changed in 3. I have owned all the iPhone models and since the iPhone 4 (which I was the most excited about) every year since, has been a let down. And when I pre-ordered the iphone 5 on the first day, I was worried for the first time about the quality. sure enough, I opened my box to find dings and scratches on my new phone. There was also a pixelization issue on the virtual keyboard, and some bad lag issues. I took it back to AT&T. If you consider this sort of thing quality design and finish, then I do not agree. Maps for ios is flawed so badly that it is useless for most outside the US. This reminds me of the rush to put Siri out to make people buy the 4S, instead of the 4. Siri was crap, much like Vlingo and so many other services before it. Or how about the inability for 90% of apps on the iP5 to scale properly? Developers had 2 years to integrate the scaling code into their apps. You call having to deal with letterboxing, quality design and finish?

I have zero issues with my S3 (which I also pre-ordered when it was released back in June) and unlike so many iphone users that need to have a plastic case and screen protector to prevent further scratching and dings to their iphones, I don't and haven't needed a case on my S3. Still looks brand new. (Although I did dump that plastic battery cover for one that is substantially better, giving the S3 a better feel, look and added strength. I have large hands and the S3 fits better for me. The iphone 5 is still to tiny for my tastes. 4.5" to 4.8" is perfect imo. I'm also getting older, so the bigger screen helps me as well.)

I also find the Android OS to be smooth, easy to use and my phone doesn't look anything like every other S3. Every iphone looks like a clone of each other. individuality in Apple's world consists of being allowed to change your wallpaper or put a unique plastic case on your iphone. It reminds me so much of the grey human clones in Apple's 1984 commercial. To me, this is one of the main reasons iphone owners buy cases. It is the only way to make their phone look different.

Prior to ICS on Android, I do believe iOS was faster and smoother. Post ICS, that is not the case. Both perform equally well imo, I have just not been satisified with Apple's status quo lately. Especially after Steve relinquished control to Tim. I pray that my next Mac isn't riddled with issues. I only deal with Windows machines when I have to. But these are just my opinions.

mrsir2009
Oct 14, 2012, 11:17 PM
Even with those 50 reasons I dont think i'll ever buy any samsung product.
when the S4 will arrive in march they will forget about the S3 anyway so what's the point.
this is the best reason not to buy S3.

Yeah, well, when people are discussing and comparing the latest tech products they usually do forget about the previous gen. Of course they do. Who is still talking about the iPhone 4S, comparing it to other phones, etc? No one.

Gangnam Style
Oct 15, 2012, 12:39 AM
Alright, here is something new I've found.

Add this to #61 or whatever we are on now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bse99YMeeoE

matttye
Oct 15, 2012, 02:00 AM
Just use iOS for a day and then do what this guy did on the video. You'll know what I'm talking about. This sort of thing is clear as day for iOS users, Android users seem to just delude themselves into disregarding design or finish. Or iOS users care about pointless things and live in a dysfunctional sandbox, from the other perspective.

iOS has subtle changes that are non-intuitive for users too.

In contacts, the search box is not immediately visible on the iPhone and you have to drag down to see it. In music, the box is visible immediately.

A so called tech enthusiast thought that you had to tap the clock to make the search bar appear in contacts, obviously not realising that's a shortcut for scrolling to the top of a list.

Nothing is perfect. Android is a more complex OS and is therefore likely to have more UI flaws.

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 06:41 AM
What 3rd party apps are you referring to that are ugly? I listed several of the most commonly used apps. Others like Dropbox, WhatsApp, Google Drive, Shazam, Chrome, feedly, pulse, etc look very much as they do in iOS. Other apps that are not also in iOS like doubleTwist have a nice looking interface.

Are there ugly 3rd party apps? Of course...on both Android and iOS. But there are also plenty of good looking ones and the most common apps that are both on Android and iOS look practically the same.




Sure, not that this means much. I am sure that if asked and if he is honest, Forestall would admit that there is plenty of work to do in iOS too as far as improving polish and responsiveness. My iPhone 4 lagged and was slow to respond occasionally with iOS 5. My uncle also complained about this happening to him on his iPhone 4.

Granted, Android is not as responsive as iOS but I have to say that using my S3 with Ice Cream Sandwich I find Android very responsive and fast, do not experience any lag and after I install the Jelly Bean update it will be even quicker. The difference in responsiveness between iOS and Android is practically negligible with the latest updates and modern hardware.

90% of the interface in that video was disgusting. The Play Store is lacking, in numbers and quality. Developers still clearly favor the App Store to this day, and it's not hard to see why. And when I talk responsiveness, I'm talking how well the software tracks your finger. Jellybean improved responsiveness, but it's still behind iOS. For such a rudimentary task, you'd think Google would be on top of this. Google is more concerned with functions/tech stuff than the user experience.

Vegastouch
Oct 15, 2012, 08:48 AM
TE=zbarvian;16043403]90% of the in that video was disgusting. The Play Store is lacking, in numbers and quality. Developers still clearly favor the App Store to this day, and it's not hard to see why. And when I talk responsiveness, I'm talking how well the software tracks your finger. Jellybean improved responsiveness, but it's still behind iOS. For such a rudimentary task, you'd think Google would be on top of this. Google is more concerned with functions/tech stuff than the user experience.[/QUOTE]
Cant say i agree with any of this. Playstore has 650,000 apps to 700,000 for iPhone so it isnt lacking. I dont think the UI is ugly in Android and really i think you are just really picky about some things that to me arent a big deal. The iPhone isnt perfect by any means so your going off on how Android isnt this or that is meaningless imo.

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 08:58 AM
TE=zbarvian;16043403]90% of the in that video was disgusting. The Play Store is lacking, in numbers and quality. Developers still clearly favor the App Store to this day, and it's not hard to see why. And when I talk responsiveness, I'm talking how well the software tracks your finger. Jellybean improved responsiveness, but it's still behind iOS. For such a rudimentary task, you'd think Google would be on top of this. Google is more concerned with functions/tech stuff than the user experience.
Cant say i agree with any of this. Playstore has 650,000 apps to 700,000 for iPhone so it isnt lacking. I dont think the UI is ugly in Android and really i think you are just really picky about some things that to me arent a big deal. The iPhone isnt perfect by any means so your going off on how Android isnt this or that is meaningless imo.[/QUOTE]

My brother is a designer, and there's nothing wrong with keeping an eye out for good design and aesthetics. As for apps, there's so many great music apps I use on iOS that don't exist on Android.

onthecouchagain
Oct 15, 2012, 09:01 AM
We've reached a point where iOS-devotees must split hairs to demonstrate that iOS is better.

Things like the number of apps that the App Store has over the Play Store (marginal, really). Or things like ads being in apps (trivial. Buy the full version then. Once again, there are choices to capture all walks of life: free with ads or paid without). Or how Android is "less responsive" by milliseconds. This is what it's coming down to? Milliseconds?

Please.

And I say again... if it was the iPhone that had these features while the competition didn't, we'd be singing praises for Apple trying to introduce new ideas and features.

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 09:18 AM
We've reached a point where iOS-devotees must split hairs to demonstrate that iOS is better.

Things like the number of apps that the App Store has over the Play Store (marginal, really). Or things like ads being in apps (trivial. Buy the full version then. Once again, there are choices to capture all walks of life: free with ads or paid without). Or how Android is "less responsive" by milliseconds. This is what it's coming down to? Milliseconds?

Please.

And I say again... if it was the iPhone that had these features while the competition didn't, we'd be singing praises for Apple trying to introduce new ideas and features.

You really outta lay off the whole hypocritical Apple fanboy argument. It's not a logical argument.

paulsalter
Oct 15, 2012, 09:25 AM
As for apps, there's so many great music apps I use on iOS that don't exist on Android.

Do these music apps integrate with the music stored on your device?

If I dont like the Google music app, I find one I do like and all my music is automatically there

b24pgg
Oct 15, 2012, 09:25 AM
We've reached a point where iOS-devotees must split hairs to demonstrate that iOS is better....how Android is "less responsive" by milliseconds. This is what it's coming down to? Milliseconds?
I'm the biggest Android fan there is (and with Jelly Bean, I'm skeptical that there's any difference in responsiveness at this point) but this is not a good argument. The average touchscreen input lag is currently 100ms. Scientists are working to bring it down, but any improvement by milliseconds is a huge improvement.

MonkeySee....
Oct 15, 2012, 09:37 AM
YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=A48A4J5qpYA)

In the still of the video I thought the iPhone was on the right at first with that camera button Samsung copied.

Couldn't they think of a different shaped button?

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Not sure if trolling. At exactly what time in the video does the S3 appear choppy to you?

The bit when there was a pointless demo of a video running on top of other applications.

thefredelement
Oct 15, 2012, 09:46 AM
The i5 feels better to use but Android has become more powerful in the way of function.

iOS is more polished but the simplicity is more of a fault than a pro at this point.

With the Android notification system and default power management widget, any android device is instantly more usable than the i5 in terms of getting to data, acting on it and accessing common device controls (wiif, airplane, gps, bluetooth, etc.).

There's a HUGE lag in Android's reputation, comparing any version of iOS to anything before Android 4 and I'd have to side with iOS in terms of responsiveness and polish. Even though it took more steps to get things done back then compared to their android counterparts the lack of lag and bugs seemed to make it less annoying.

The Android 4.0+ devices are amazing. Fast, lag free, extremely functional and overall powerful. You can get in and out quickly without jumping through hoops (albeit, very polished and good looking hoops on iOS).

This all being said, if you're more of an app user, aren't under the gun for time throughout the day, don't take the subway, have wifi pretty much always available and and don't want to fuss with 3rd party syncing of your iTunes, you just can't go wrong with the iPhone. But if you like any of these android features, are a more typical type of power user, don't mind installing a 3rd party app to get things to sync up then Android's features and flexibility will make your life easier.

Everyone is different and use's their phones differently, while I wished I could have kept and used the iPhone 5, iOS right now isn't there for me. I replaced it with an Android and have my home screen ready to rock with my most common used settings, most dialed contacts, the play store, browser & maps. I can interact with any new messages, emails, missed calls from the drop down notification (which is persistent on Android). Heck, even the calendar widget saves me from having to open the Calendar app itself, the same for widgets of my Google voice and Gmail inboxes. I have Twitter & Facebook widgets also added, plus Play Music and I'm set. It takes all the things I used in iOS, puts them front and center and it saves me time when I need to.

I do miss the feel and polish of the iPhone 5, though in my vert short time with it, I didn't like how I couldn't make it my own. My Mac is my own. iOS is too generic between everyone to really be the way it needs to be for an individual user who wants it their own way, which is fine for an app launching platform like a tablet, but it's hard for some to have their phone kind of locked in. There are plenty of people who this fits just fine with, and I'm kind of jealous of them...

An Android phone can become YOUR android, an iPhone is Apple's iPhone.

THE JUICEMAN
Oct 15, 2012, 09:55 AM
The i5 feels better to use but Android has become more powerful in the way of function.

iOS is more polished but the simplicity is more of a fault than a pro at this point.

With the Android notification system and default power management widget, any android device is instantly more usable than the i5 in terms of getting to data, acting on it and accessing common device controls (wiif, airplane, gps, bluetooth, etc.).

There's a HUGE lag in Android's reputation, comparing any version of iOS to anything before Android 4 and I'd have to side with iOS in terms of responsiveness and polish. Even though it took more steps to get things done back then compared to their android counterparts the lack of lag and bugs seemed to make it less annoying.

The Android 4.0+ devices are amazing. Fast, lag free, extremely functional and overall powerful. You can get in and out quickly without jumping through hoops (albeit, very polished and good looking hoops on iOS).

This all being said, if you're more of an app user, aren't under the gun for time throughout the day, don't take the subway, have wifi pretty much always available and and don't want to fuss with 3rd party syncing of your iTunes, you just can't go wrong with the iPhone. But if you like any of these android features, are a more typical type of power user, don't mind installing a 3rd party app to get things to sync up then Android's features and flexibility will make your life easier.

Everyone is different and use's their phones differently, while I wished I could have kept and used the iPhone 5, iOS right now isn't there for me. I replaced it with an Android and have my home screen ready to rock with my most common used settings, most dialed contacts, the play store, browser & maps. I can interact with any new messages, emails, missed calls from the drop down notification (which is persistent on Android). Heck, even the calendar widget saves me from having to open the Calendar app itself, the same for widgets of my Google voice and Gmail inboxes. I have Twitter & Facebook widgets also added, plus Play Music and I'm set. It takes all the things I used in iOS, puts them front and center and it saves me time when I need to.

I do miss the feel and polish of the iPhone 5, though in my vert short time with it, I didn't like how I couldn't make it my own. My Mac is my own. iOS is too generic between everyone to really be the way it needs to be for an individual user who wants it their own way, which is fine for an app launching platform like a tablet, but it's hard for some to have their phone kind of locked in. There are plenty of people who this fits just fine with, and I'm kind of jealous of them...

An Android phone can become YOUR android, an iPhone is Apple's iPhone.

+1 very well said.

Vegastouch
Oct 15, 2012, 10:04 AM
My brother is a designer, and there's nothing wrong with keeping an eye out for good design and aesthetics. As for apps, there's so many great music apps I use on iOS that don't exist on Android.
There are enough music apps in the playstore. How many do you need? Me i dont stream music, i out it on my microcard so i dont use Pandora or Spotify. I cant download songs with apps in the store that work fine. As for a design, you can make your own ir find something you like. There are plenty of other things out there and its much easier to do with no rooting or jailbreaking, unlike the iPhone. Being as picky as yiu are, i find it bizarree you dont talk about the shortcomings if the iPhone and in fact call it flawless and fully baked.

onthecouchagain
Oct 15, 2012, 10:50 AM
You really outta lay off the whole hypocritical Apple fanboy argument. It's not a logical argument.

Is it not true? Do we not see it all the time? Nfc or lte = the world isn't ready for those. But thunderbolt connection and apple is pushing the frontiers of technology. We've seen this time and time again. Look too at how many people are now praising the larger screen who would have condemned it prior.

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I'm the biggest Android fan there is (and with Jelly Bean, I'm skeptical that there's any difference in responsiveness at this point) but this is not a good argument. The average touchscreen input lag is currently 100ms. Scientists are working to bring it down, but any improvement by milliseconds is a huge improvement.

What is the difference between iphone and latest android phones? Even if its 100s of milliseconds of difference that doesn't sound like the deal breaker that some here make it out to be. Like I said, splitting hairs.

Of course I'm all for improvements so don't get me wrong.

matttye
Oct 15, 2012, 11:36 AM
I'm the biggest Android fan there is (and with Jelly Bean, I'm skeptical that there's any difference in responsiveness at this point) but this is not a good argument. The average touchscreen input lag is currently 100ms. Scientists are working to bring it down, but any improvement by milliseconds is a huge improvement.

There is a noticeable difference in UI response between iOS and Android, with iOS being noticeably quicker.

Some apps for Android are coded quite badly too, like Tapatalk. That thing freezes and stutters quite a bit on Android, but it's smooth as butter on iOS.

matttye
Oct 15, 2012, 11:39 AM
Is it not true? Do we not see it all the time? Nfc or lte = the world isn't ready for those. But thunderbolt connection and apple is pushing the frontiers of technology. We've seen this time and time again. Look too at how many people are now praising the larger screen who would have condemned it prior.


People often talk about things like this as if iPhone fans are a single entity. SOME iPhone fans may have criticised larger screen, but others might not have. The people you see praising larger screens today are probably not the ones criticising them previously.

diegoesk
Oct 15, 2012, 11:42 AM
The average touchscreen input lag is currently 100ms. Scientists are working to bring it down...,

Scientists or engineers? :-)

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 11:58 AM
There are enough music apps in the playstore. How many do you need? Me i dont stream music, i out it on my microcard so i dont use Pandora or Spotify. I cant download songs with apps in the store that work fine. As for a design, you can make your own ir find something you like. There are plenty of other things out there and its much easier to do with no rooting or jailbreaking, unlike the iPhone. Being as picky as yiu are, i find it bizarree you dont talk about the shortcomings if the iPhone and in fact call it flawless and fully baked.

I'm not talking about music streaming or listening, I'm talking about creation. I do very much acknowledge the shortcomings of iOS, you're distorting my arguments. I said it feels fully baked (which it does), but never once claimed it was flawless. There are fundamental differences of both platforms, which bestow each with some advantages and disadvantages over the other. Android is not the best, neither is iOS. I'm simply pointing out some ways iOS is better than Android, as a rebuttal to the thread topic.

xuselppa
Oct 15, 2012, 12:03 PM
There is a noticeable difference in UI response between iOS and Android, with iOS being noticeably quicker.

Some apps for Android are coded quite badly too, like Tapatalk. That thing freezes and stutters quite a bit on Android, but it's smooth as butter on iOS.

Stutter on Android for Tapatalk? This is the first time I have heard this. Which phone has this issue?

I ask, because I use Tapatalk as my daily driver for forum visits on my S3 and it is one of the best and smoothest, 3rd party apps on the platform. Not to mention I can use both the forum or tapatalk to host 5 images in a post from any folder on my phone and do it 10x quicker than using the web based forum. iOS severly lacks in this area. I love Tapatalk. If I had the issues you describe, I def wouldn't use it.[COLOR="#808080"]

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There are enough music apps in the playstore. How many do you need? Me i dont stream music, i out it on my microcard so i dont use Pandora or Spotify. I cant download songs with apps in the store that work fine. As for a design, you can make your own ir find something you like. There are plenty of other things out there and its much easier to do with no rooting or jailbreaking, unlike the iPhone. Being as picky as yiu are, i find it bizarree you dont talk about the shortcomings if the iPhone and in fact call it flawless and fully baked.
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I'm not talking about music streaming or listening, I'm talking about creation.

Concur. Apple spent a lot of time and effort in this area, and no 3rd party Android app can come close to how well Apple made their suite of music creation.

Music players on the other hand, is a diff story.

TheHateMachine
Oct 15, 2012, 12:09 PM
Zbarvian, you are almost on Technarcy's level.

You need to take the rest of your substance out of your posts and make them look like this.

Apple is god, everything else sucks and you are all dirty plebs for buying Android!

*hugs a plushy Steve Jobs toy*

- sent from my glorious Apple product.

The transition will be complete at that point.

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 12:21 PM
Zbarvian, you are almost on Technarcy's level.

You need to take the rest of your substance out of your posts and make them look like this.



The transition will be complete at that point.

You have a very befitting name. Attacking someone personally to try to devalue their points is a fallacy called ad hominem abusive.

TheHateMachine
Oct 15, 2012, 12:52 PM
You have a very befitting name. Attacking someone personally to try to devalue their points is a fallacy called ad hominem abusive.

Ahh the old latin drop, way to show your intellectual prowess of skimming wikipedia.

If my point was truly a fallacy you could negate it and move on, however you have decided to reply with the textbook "Lolz you is ad hominem"...

Your points were already devalued from the get go. Much like your mentor Technarcy you essentially offer up "Android is bad, however I cannot elaborate to how it is bad or why. I just sez so!" When someone points this out you start splitting hairs down to app counts or miniscule details that in the grand scheme of things don't really matter.

I didn't know this sub forum was not for the discussion of alternatives to iOS but instead it was for Random Apple Fan #4563's place to bash Android without any substance.

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 01:01 PM
Ahh the old latin drop, way to show your intellectual prowess of skimming wikipedia.

If my point was truly a fallacy you could negate it and move on, however you have decided to reply with the textbook "Lolz you is ad hominem"...

Your points were already devalued from the get go. Much like your mentor Technarcy you essentially offer up "Android is bad, however I cannot elaborate to how it is bad or why. I just sez so!" When someone points this out you start splitting hairs down to app counts or miniscule details that in the grand scheme of things don't really matter.

I didn't know this sub forum was not for the discussion of alternatives to iOS but instead it was for Random Apple Fan #4563's place to bash Android without any substance.

Sorry for taking a Logic class? And I don't even know who Technarchy is, so that point is null. I've made it abundantly clear as to the deficiencies in Android, I NEVER just say "Android is bad, iOS rulezzzz."

You guys need to remember where you're posting. If you can't take a little heat from some iOS users then I recommend trying a different forum.

matttye
Oct 15, 2012, 01:14 PM
Stutter on Android for Tapatalk? This is the first time I have heard this. Which phone has this issue?

I ask, because I use Tapatalk as my daily driver for forum visits on my S3 and it is one of the best and smoothest, 3rd party apps on the platform. Not to mention I can use both the forum or tapatalk to host 5 images in a post from any folder on my phone and do it 10x quicker than using the web based forum. iOS severly lacks in this area. I love Tapatalk. If I had the issues you describe, I def wouldn't use it.

"Glitching and freezing" was probably a bit of an overstatement on my part. What I mean is that the scrolling is quite choppy and it occasionally gets stuck whilst scrolling and then starts again. Just altogether not very smooth.

I had a Galaxy S3 running Jelly Bean but don't have it anymore.

1member1
Oct 15, 2012, 01:40 PM
We've reached a point where iOS-devotees must split hairs to demonstrate that iOS is better.

Things like the number of apps that the App Store has over the Play Store (marginal, really). Or things like ads being in apps (trivial. Buy the full version then. Once again, there are choices to capture all walks of life: free with ads or paid without). Or how Android is "less responsive" by milliseconds. This is what it's coming down to? Milliseconds?

Please.

And I say again... if it was the iPhone that had these features while the competition didn't, we'd be singing praises for Apple trying to introduce new ideas and features.

You just make it look like its simple but it's not. I'm always sharing thoughts about apps with friends and those who has android sometimes dosen't have them in the play store. sometimes it even comes later.
flipboard was one of them.. too bad people couldn't enjoy it until march 2012.

There are good and bad things in iOS and android. people can prefer iphone even if it's closed system (yeah thats advantage too that people seem to forget).

please...

Zaft
Oct 15, 2012, 01:56 PM
i have to be honest. There are soo many useless features its crazy:rolleyes:. just becuase it has more featrues just for the sake of having them doesnt mean its better.

sc4rf4c3
Oct 15, 2012, 02:36 PM
i have to be honest. There are soo many useless features its crazy:rolleyes:. just becuase it has more featrues just for the sake of having them doesnt mean its better.

At least you have the features. I remember when fanboys were calling LTE useless last year.

elpmas
Oct 15, 2012, 02:46 PM
Yeah what they don't mention is that android becomes sluggish over time and not much updates to newer os. -_-

Markyboy81
Oct 15, 2012, 02:54 PM
I've heard a few times now that android becomes sluggish over time. Can anybody confirm if this is true?

thefredelement
Oct 15, 2012, 03:03 PM
I've heard a few times now that android becomes sluggish over time. Can anybody confirm if this is true?

Depends on usage, just like iOS.

If you have a bunch of stuff open (in a real multitasking system) on older hardware it's going to be choppy (especially on an upgraded version of android.

If you're using the basic phone/email/browser/music app, etc. on newer hardware with Jelly bean, no lag/sluggishness,etc. In fact I've really put my GNex through the paces and it's never bogged down once.

That being said, doing that to a Nexus S, or original Galaxy S, or like Evo (what I would say is a competitor to the iPhone 4) would probably result in a decent amount of lag.

if you're asking, if you just turn an android phone on, and don't do anything to it, does it become sluggish? No, not in my experience.

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To be fair though, if you load up a crappy app it can totally destroy the experience.

I've seen this everywhere though, from my Mac, to iPad to any android I've owned, that being said, Apple does a WAY better job with apps that get in to their store. If my iPad is sluggish it's usually a quick restart and all better (just like on android).

Markyboy81
Oct 15, 2012, 03:41 PM
Thanks for the reply, would you say that it's best to do a reset once a day, to both increase performance and battery life? I mention this because I was noticing severe standby battery drain today and a reset seemed to have sorted the issue. I'm not sure whether this was due to lack of free ram,or some rogue apps that were keeping the system awake.
Also, what's the difference between a restart and the 8 second hard reset?

thefredelement
Oct 15, 2012, 03:57 PM
Thanks for the reply, would you say that it's best to do a reset once a day, to both increase performance and battery life? I mention this because I was noticing severe standby battery drain today and a reset seemed to have sorted the issue. I'm not sure whether this was due to lack of free ram,or some rogue apps that were keeping the system awake.
Also, what's the difference between a restart and the 8 second hard reset?

That could be a bunch of things, if you have had an unusually bag signal today, or installed/updated any apps recently I would look there.

Speaking for myself, I never really reset my phone

TheHateMachine
Oct 15, 2012, 04:13 PM
I've heard a few times now that android becomes sluggish over time. Can anybody confirm if this is true?

I have a Droid X that is going on 2+ years old running ICS. About 3 months ago I replaced it with a Galaxy S3. I gave my DX to my 3 year old so she can play Angry Birds and Fruit Ninjas on it.

It is running as good as the day I got it.

JonL12345
Oct 15, 2012, 05:36 PM
You really outta lay off the whole hypocritical Apple fanboy argument. It's not a logical argument.

Want the Apple fanboy argument laid out? Simple. Love is blind.

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 05:40 PM
Want the Apple fanboy argument laid out? Simple. Love is blind.

Yes, I'm obviously blind for choosing iOS. There's no way Android could possibly still have some glaring flaws that would hinder my adoption of the platform. Nope, blindness.

smellysox8
Oct 15, 2012, 05:45 PM
Yes, I'm obviously blind for choosing iOS. There's no way Android could possibly still have some glaring flaws that would hinder my adoption of the platform. Nope, blindness.

Yup, blindness.

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 05:47 PM
Yup, blindness.

It must be so.

smellysox8
Oct 15, 2012, 06:02 PM
It must be so.

It is.

mankar4
Oct 15, 2012, 06:11 PM
An Android phone can become YOUR android, an iPhone is Apple's iPhone.

With jailbreak and hours...days... of optimizing I got my iphone to do everything I wanted it to do that would have taken 15 minutes of settings/widget configuration in android. (lock screen apps, wifi toggle, lock screen calling/texting, etc) That's worth the polish of iOS to me. I found that my 2 friends' GS3 were just not as compellingly beautiful in hardware or software when I tried them out.

Of course, there are things like NFC that can't be added with jailbreak, but they weren't important to me. Now waiting for the iphone 5 jailbreak so I can do all my customization again...

F123D
Oct 15, 2012, 09:27 PM
Now waiting for the iphone 5 jailbreak so I can do all my customization again...

This is another reason why I've decided to give android a try. While I greatly appreciate all the work the developers do to get a jailbreak out to iPhone users, apple seems to make it harder each year.

People complain about how android users don't get updates immediately but that's the same issue with jailbroken iPhone users. We can't get updates when apple releases them either or else we lose our jailbreaks.

Instead of trying to add features that android has through jailbreaking, I'll just try android. Guess you win apple, I won't be jailbreaking this year.

thefredelement
Oct 15, 2012, 09:32 PM
With jailbreak and hours...days... of optimizing I got my iphone to do everything I wanted it to do that would have taken 15 minutes of settings/widget configuration in android. (lock screen apps, wifi toggle, lock screen calling/texting, etc) That's worth the polish of iOS to me. I found that my 2 friends' GS3 were just not as compellingly beautiful in hardware or software when I tried them out.

Of course, there are things like NFC that can't be added with jailbreak, but they weren't important to me. Now waiting for the iphone 5 jailbreak so I can do all my customization again...

You know what, I had to bring back my iPhone 5 because it was faulty, when they were doing the exchange they couldn't get the new phone to activate, so I just returned it. My plan had been to ride it out it out with the i5, hope for a jailbreak and see how far I could take it. (sticking points were system settings widgets and google voice integration), I'm def. going to keep an eye on iPhone, it was a great experience, just not complete for me.

I do agree with you, it's much nicer to hold, I really liked the iOS polish but as I read other posts what I missed on the iPhone from Android kind of hit me, it is that I really couldn't make it my own.

I know there were some Sony Nexus X rumors today, and I think as long as one android OEM makes a decent handset of quality, using aosp, with tweaking/ light theming / 3rd party apps, android can be just as polished as iOS. And it would probably take less time too.

These plastic style androids needs a rest. The LG Nexus isn't the answer, I could see a company like Sony dropping a bomb of a pure android phone with an iPhone caliber hardware design.

b24pgg
Oct 15, 2012, 09:39 PM
Of course, there are things...that can't be added with jailbreak, but they weren't important to me.
I feel like this is always the excuse for features that Android has but the iPhone doesn't.

"It's not an important feature to me."

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 09:43 PM
You know what, I had to bring back my iPhone 5 because it was faulty, when they were doing the exchange they couldn't get the new phone to activate, so I just returned it. My plan had been to ride it out it out with the i5, hope for a jailbreak and see how far I could take it. (sticking points were system settings widgets and google voice integration), I'm def. going to keep an eye on iPhone, it was a great experience, just not complete for me.

I do agree with you, it's much nicer to hold, I really liked the iOS polish but as I read other posts what I missed on the iPhone from Android kind of hit me, it is that I really couldn't make it my own.

I know there were some Sony Nexus X rumors today, and I think as long as one android OEM makes a decent handset of quality, using aosp, with tweaking/ light theming / 3rd party apps, android can be just as polished as iOS. And it would probably take less time too.

These plastic style androids needs a rest. The LG Nexus isn't the answer, I could see a company like Sony dropping a bomb of a pure android phone with an iPhone caliber hardware design.

See, I don't think anybody could match Apple on the hardware front, especially not Sony. All of their mobile devices released over the past years have been quite lackluster. It's one of Apple's biggest advantages still, their engineering team is just in a league of its own.

thefredelement
Oct 15, 2012, 09:50 PM
See, I don't think anybody could match Apple on the hardware front, especially not Sony. All of their mobile devices released over the past years have been quite lackluster. It's one of Apple's biggest advantages still, their engineering team is just in a league of its own.

I don't know, Sony doesn't have bad design. I think if they pushed it they could really come up with something solid. Just thinking back to their mid to late 2000s MP3 players and home theatre stuff. They seem to always try to put something out there. Some of it people like, some of it they don't.

I don't dislike the Xperia T, I think it's kind of sleek actually, but I never actually held one so I can't really comment.

All I know is the next android OEM to put out a phone that actually feels nice to hold and runs the latest, pure version of android would have a huge win on their hands.

Now that Google is Motorola I wonder if they'll work on something for release next year. I really liked the back of the Xoom tablet (I forgot what it was), but that on the back with a slim designed, stylish front would probably feel great.

onthecouchagain
Oct 15, 2012, 10:22 PM
I feel like this is always the excuse for features that Android has but the iPhone doesn't.

"It's not an important feature to me."

Until, of course, Apple does have the feature.

mankar4
Oct 15, 2012, 10:32 PM
I feel like this is always the excuse for features that Android has but the iPhone doesn't.

"It's not an important feature to me."

how's that an excuse? Its just a statement of what is important to me. If iPhone couldn't be jailbroken and customized, i would get a gs3. NFC, dlna, removable battery, bigger screen, micro sd slot are simply not on my priority list.

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This is another reason why I've decided to give android a try. While I greatly appreciate all the work the developers do to get a jailbreak out to iPhone users, apple seems to make it harder each year.

People complain about how android users don't get updates immediately but that's the same issue with jailbroken iPhone users. We can't get updates when apple releases them either or else we lose our jailbreaks.

Instead of trying to add features that android has through jailbreaking, I'll just try android. Guess you win apple, I won't be jailbreaking this year.

this is a great point. It is really frustrating to update after jailbreak. I wish there was a gs3 try it for a week program or something.

aznguyen316
Oct 15, 2012, 10:51 PM
I'll just comment on two things.

NFC is overrated. I had to hack on Google wallet on my Verizon s3 and was able to use it. I use it twice at a cvs, it was cool xcuz I got $10 to use but I saw no reason to use it. Wasn't any faster than my debit card as both u put up to the reader and enter a pin either on phone or keypad for debit.

One of my favorite jokes to my iphone friends are telling them I can bump to share playlists. Really this is just a gimmick feature. I was at a wedding (300+ people) and I finally got to see how truly popular the s3 was 10+ ppl had an s3, problem was none of us knew how to share anything via nfc lol. I was on an aosp rom cm10 at the time so I didn't have any samsung apps on it and we all joked with each other we can bump to share but no one knows how or really cared how to. It was laughably pathetic to try Haha. I still joke that I can share that way but I don't bother trying.

Second I alluded to was the fact that updates are on a Carrier based time line. No jelly bean for s3 but it's been available for 4 months so I have to use aosp roms that are great but not perfect. There's always one or two things broken but you just deal with it to run the latest OS.. Pretty lame tbh. I flash a new rom/kernel like twice a week for updates to fix things in roms. It gets old. Even a Verizon jb leak hasn't appeared so we are using note 2 leak builds. Wtf?

Anyway I like my s3 but I think after having it awhile I prefer the ip5 hardware (this screen blows outside) and ios with jailbreak which is like android with root to be fair.

I'm actually really interested in the upcoming win phone 8. HTC 8x looks nice...

Sorry for typos I typed this up on my phone. :-)

onthecouchagain
Oct 15, 2012, 11:09 PM
Yes, sometimes features have learning curves. Doesn't mean they are useless when you and a group of friends haven't learned how.

Disclaimer: I'm not even an S3 fan nor owner of one. Just saying that story proves nothing when it comes to usefulness or not.

jvpython
Oct 15, 2012, 11:48 PM
A few more reasons:

* Capacitive buttons. Better than hardware buttons. The back button is amazingly useful.
* Video calling to any phone except iPhone. Facetime only works with iPhone, iPad and Mac.
* Better maps app, better YouTube app.
* Background downloads while you do something else.
* Notifications icons in the status bar.
* Ability to jailbreak (called root) easily from day one. No need to wait months for the jailbreak to be released. Ability to downgrade firmware any time easily also.
* Ability to upload any type of file to dropbox, your NAS, etc.
* Download any type of file from internet and being able to use it, like a .rar or .zip and extract its files inside.
* Weather on lockscreen, news, voice commands, etc.
* New Google Now and Google voice search.
* Radio FM. IPhone can listen to web radio, but there are places where 3G is not available.
* Ability to install apps that would never be allowed on ios, such as a torrent downloader, emulators, etc.
* Offline voice dictation on several languages.
* Backups are way more faster to restore with nandroid backup. Works just like an iTunes backup, but takes only 12 minutes for me.
* My 48 GB version cost me 300€ less than what the 16GB iPhone 5 costs. 16GB plus 32GB micro SD. I just can't understand how a 16GB phone can cost 669€ unlocked and 599€ on contract with my voice and data plan.

Nice things, but the phone is too big! :D:D

1) I'll give you that one.
2) Never heard of Skype (plenty of other services too)?
3) That really is your opinion. The maps app works great for me and I quite like the layout of the YouTube app)
4) I can do that with many iPhone apps such as GoodReader...
5) Not to sure about the purpose of that?
6) Well I've never jailbroken my iPhone and most people don't feel the need too. I wouldn't count hacking as a "feature"
7) I can upload any files to dropbox etc. again using apps such as GoodReader
8) And again I can also do that with apps such as GoodReader...
9) Siri? lol
10) That's Google equivalent of Siri which in my opinion is by no means better.
11) I'll give you that too. A radio can be useful
12) Fair enough although I would just use a computer for that. Much easier
13) Yeap that's pretty useful
14) Not sure where you get that from? My iPhone backs up very quick. You'd need to test both devices with exactly the same amount of data for a proper test.
15) Price isn't a feature since I could simply say with the iPhone you're paying for premium materials etc. vs plastic. Although the price does matter when choosing a phone it isn't an argument as to which phone is better.

xuselppa
Oct 16, 2012, 12:14 AM
1) I'll give you that one.
2) Never heard of Skype (plenty of other services too)?
3) That really is your opinion. The maps app works great for me and I quite like the layout of the YouTube app)
4) I can do that with many iPhone apps such as GoodReader...
5) Not to sure about the purpose of that?
6) Well I've never jailbroken my iPhone and most people don't feel the need too. I wouldn't count hacking as a "feature"
7) I can upload any files to dropbox etc. again using apps such as GoodReader
8) And again I can also do that with apps such as GoodReader...
9) Siri? lol
10) That's Google equivalent of Siri which in my opinion is by no means better.
11) I'll give you that too. A radio can be useful
12) Fair enough although I would just use a computer for that. Much easier
13) Yeap that's pretty useful
14) Not sure where you get that from? My iPhone backs up very quick. You'd need to test both devices with exactly the same amount of data for a proper test.
15) Price isn't a feature since I could simply say with the iPhone you're paying for premium materials etc. vs plastic. Although the price does matter when choosing a phone it isn't an argument as to which phone is better.

With respect, your idea of downloading files in the background while doing another task (real multitasking) is not possible in iOS. Apple pauses apps. For example, go to any music or video website in Safari and download the mp3 or avi file to your movie or music folder and while that is downloading go play a game, watch a video or use Word and create a document. Now go back and check on your download. Has the download progressed? In iOS the answer would be no, however, it may be possible within a 3rd party app's archetecture, but again if you leave the app, the RAM dedicated for that app is stopped, ergo no download in the background.

As for uploading any file to dropbox with iOS, this is also incorrect, simply because iOS doesn't allow any file type and you do not have access to a file system to upload directly. In iOS you have to hope an app you are using can send to dropbox. Or do some work around like email true file to yourself, then go to a pc and upload it to dropbox. Android is more like a PC, so the need for a real PC is almost non existent. And we certainly don't want to be chained to a pc with a crappy program like itunes.

But even simple things like multiple attachments to emails is impossible without a jailbreak. or how about going to a site like imageshack to upload an image for them to host. Impossible on iOS, because you can't access your file system, so the 'upload image' button on the webpage remains greyed out. iOS can be extremely limiting and frustrating in what it can't do, more than what it can do.

VinnyV
Oct 16, 2012, 01:10 AM
I seriously think there's no who is better here, and in the end it all boils down to preferences.

I moved from s3 to ios and couldnt be more happier with my iphone 5. Besides the maps of course, but i dont blame apple for it, google maps didn't have ***** on my country few years ago, i believe these things take time.

A few more reasons:

* Capacitive buttons. Better than hardware buttons. The back button is amazingly useful.
* Video calling to any phone except iPhone. Facetime only works with iPhone, iPad and Mac.
* Better maps app, better YouTube app.
* Background downloads while you do something else.
* Notifications icons in the status bar.
* Ability to jailbreak (called root) easily from day one. No need to wait months for the jailbreak to be released. Ability to downgrade firmware any time easily also.
* Ability to upload any type of file to dropbox, your NAS, etc.
* Download any type of file from internet and being able to use it, like a .rar or .zip and extract its files inside.
* Weather on lockscreen, news, voice commands, etc.
* New Google Now and Google voice search.
* Radio FM. IPhone can listen to web radio, but there are places where 3G is not available.
* Ability to install apps that would never be allowed on ios, such as a torrent downloader, emulators, etc.
* Offline voice dictation on several languages.
* Backups are way more faster to restore with nandroid backup. Works just like an iTunes backup, but takes only 12 minutes for me.
* My 48 GB version cost me 300€ less than what the 16GB iPhone 5 costs. 16GB plus 32GB micro SD. I just can't understand how a 16GB phone can cost 669€ unlocked and 599€ on contract with my voice and data plan.



I agree those are some good reasons, but heres my take
1. i love hardware buttons :D yeah i known sure they get damaged over time but i just love the feeling of using it. anyone else?
2. I usual video call my family and friends using skype or viber or such not a problem for me! ( unlimited data plan ftw!)
3. Like i said i wont be quick to judge here , maps is a new app and i believe it will get better over time.
4. I'm not so sure about this... i have yet to download any stuff using my phone ~
5. Again i believe this depends on personal preference. i honestly didnt like how my notification bar becomes flooded with stuff .
6. I agree with jvpython, i dont believe rooting would be called a feature but to me it would act as a good reason. As for me i had fun rooting and changing roms every week xD "flashaholic" as one says.
7. i don't ussualy upload things to dropbox or such i have my air for that, i just need the ability to open files form my phone so I'm totally okay with it.
8. Again i don't open those files on my phone, i have yet to have any need top open those files on my phone. even on android besides changing roms and stuff.
9.siri? xD
10. for me def web radio or my own albums! again unlimited data plan ftw! ( always got signal anywhere i go in my country... well the places i go)
11. i have my desktop/laptop to download torrents , never needed my phone to download torrents. as for the emulators as such ill mention it at the end =D
12. never even used this on my s3 >< nor my iphone haha!
13. Woah woah..... nandroid backup and restore is by no means fast!

Even though my s3 had a lot of features... i just never found myself using them...nfc,beam and such. And from a Htc>samsung> iphone, I'm so used to feeling brushed metal i seriously couldn't get used to plastic anymore!

Main reason i switched was... apps.... i agree that the android market has a HUGE selection of apps and games sure there are great apps in there. but honestly from my experience, ios just seem to have more. apps just seemed more properly built or the games are so much fun.
I saw those jokes online about how the iphone 5 was long, i didnt get those jokes until i got my iphone :D, but after switching it on, seeing the display and holding it comfortably in one hand...im somehow glad they didn't make it wider.

One thing i missed though was customization of android. Sure i can JB and get to it, but def i really think android just does a better job of it.
Forgot to mention.... i def noticed s3's batt life is longer, im not sure if its because i started to play a lot of games on the iphone 5 or not just something i noticed xD.
So overall i find these to be 2 great phones aimed at different people, choose one you like and enjoy! I enjoyed my s3, but for me i enjoyed my ip5 more, just up to preferences!

matttye
Oct 16, 2012, 01:34 AM
I feel like this is always the excuse for features that Android has but the iPhone doesn't.

"It's not an important feature to me."

For me, at least, that's true. NFC is cool but I mainly used it to toggle settings on and off as there's no payment systems in place in the UK yet (and it will take a long time for them to be widely adopted). On iOS I just leave wifi and Bluetooth on all the time with hardly any hit to battery life.

I can now talk to my fiancée on her iPad and her phone when I'm out and about, not just her phone (which she sometimes loses).

I like the way everything stays in sync via iCloud with my iPad and PC.

I bought a 64GB iPhone which means I can keep all of my music on it. Siri integration with music is cool for when I'm driving or working out.

I've had an iPhone for a few weeks now and been without any kind of Android device for nearly two weeks. I can honestly say I don't really miss anything yet. There were a lot of features on Android to brag about by adding them to lists of things the iPhone can't do, but I barely used any of them..including file system access.

MadTester
Oct 16, 2012, 03:43 AM
Ok, one thing here that has been completely left out..... before the Samsung S3..... The HTC One and One X has the NFC and 'DNLA' but its called Media Link HD, and WIFI direct for peer-to-peer..... and they were out before the Samsung, so not only does the HTC have superiority over the iPhone 4s and 5 (in that respect) it was already there before the S3.

It's all about advertising and market share as well as the big bucks for stock sold ;)

VulchR
Oct 16, 2012, 04:49 AM
An Android phone can become YOUR android, an iPhone is Apple's iPhone.

An interesting viewpoint. However, it seems to me that Android phones are really owned by Google's customers, which is to say marketing and advertising firms, in spite of the fact that users pay for the hardware. At least with the iPhone YOU are the customer.

It cuts both ways. Perhaps one day a new mobile OS will be wholly open, protect privacy, be secure from malware, have a great UI, and support great hardware. So far from what I have seen of iOS, Android, BB, WP etc. is that none of these OS's really fulfills all of these criteria - what we have now are different sets of compromises in different OS's.

auero
Oct 16, 2012, 04:55 AM
I just find it humorous that so many people make the complaint about the build and look of the iphone and s3. They're similar devices and a majority of users lock their phones in a case. There is an exception where some dont use a case but I think it's fair to say a majority do.

jvpython
Oct 16, 2012, 04:57 AM
With respect, your idea of downloading files in the background while doing another task (real multitasking) is not possible in iOS. Apple pauses apps. For example, go to any music or video website in Safari and download the mp3 or avi file to your movie or music folder and while that is downloading go play a game, watch a video or use Word and create a document. Now go back and check on your download. Has the download progressed? In iOS the answer would be no, however, it may be possible within a 3rd party app's archetecture, but again if you leave the app, the RAM dedicated for that app is stopped, ergo no download in the background.

As for uploading any file to dropbox with iOS, this is also incorrect, simply because iOS doesn't allow any file type and you do not have access to a file system to upload directly. In iOS you have to hope an app you are using can send to dropbox. Or do some work around like email true file to yourself, then go to a pc and upload it to dropbox. Android is more like a PC, so the need for a real PC is almost non existent. And we certainly don't want to be chained to a pc with a crappy program like itunes.

But even simple things like multiple attachments to emails is impossible without a jailbreak. or how about going to a site like imageshack to upload an image for them to host. Impossible on iOS, because you can't access your file system, so the 'upload image' button on the webpage remains greyed out. iOS can be extremely limiting and frustrating in what it can't do, more than what it can do.

Not sure all the things you mentioned still apply with the latest iOS. For example you can now upload picture directly from safari on websites as of iOS 6. And i think for most people an iPhone / iPad with all the right apps can really be used as an independent device without relying on a PC. But I won't deny Android is a lot more flexible with the file system for sure.

JonL12345
Oct 16, 2012, 04:59 AM
I just had one of those eureka moments. The distinction for me is this: if you are seeking predominantly a phone, then the iPhone wins since it is a nicer size to hold. If you want a computer that makes phone calls, go Android, since it can do practically anything and has a larger screen.

Now about the updates being slow to come to the machines. Now really, is this a big deal? Android already is more feature rich than iOS. So to claim it comes 4 months to your phone after an update (whereas the iOS is instant) is silly. I would rather stick with an older Android OS that does more than the brand spanking new iOS that does less.

Compile 'em all
Oct 16, 2012, 05:03 AM
I just had one of those eureka moments. The distinction for me is this: if you are seeking predominantly a phone, then the iPhone wins since it is a nicer size to hold. If you want a computer that makes phone calls, go Android, since it can do practically anything and has a larger screen.

Now about the updates being slow to come to the machines. Now really, is this a big deal? Android already is more feature rich than iOS. So to claim it comes 4 months to your phone after an update (whereas the iOS is instant) is silly. I would rather stick with an older Android OS that does more than the brand spanking new iOS that does less.


You see, the problem with your logic is that Android only until recently has always been garbage. Jelly Bean isn't just some normal upgrade. It turns something that was essentially crap into something, in my opinion, quite okay.

JonL12345
Oct 16, 2012, 05:15 AM
I'm looking forwards, not rooted in the past. Its the same for anyone else who makes a decision on what phone to buy. The "slow to release updates" argument just doesn't hold water anymore.

aznguyen316
Oct 16, 2012, 06:18 AM
I'm looking forwards, not rooted in the past. Its the same for anyone else who makes a decision on what phone to buy. The "slow to release updates" argument just doesn't hold water anymore.

I don't see why this doesn't hold up. Look at the xda threads you'll see the amount of work out into by developers and users on the forum to test builds of jelly bean brought to the s3 bc samsung or Verizon whoever is to blame has yet to bring the current software to it. There is a reason updated software gets released. Bug fixes (see 4.1.2) speed enhancements (butter project 4.1.1) and new features. If there are so many people interested in getting the latest OS via rooting and unlocking methods I feel this should be an argument that can hold ground. If one were to walk into a store and see oh one handset has the latest OS while another has yet to receive it, I believe this was factor into a buying decision when many offer similar hardware features. Especially like the s3 you lose a lot of touchwiz features or camera improvements when upgrading to an aosp rom..

I'm making this argument and not even comparing it to iOS. Just the fact that android has an update yet many handsets don't see these updates until down the line or often times never. Isn't 2.3 still the most popular android OS? That is not as feature rich as 4.0 or 4.1

Yes, sometimes features have learning curves. Doesn't mean they are useless when you and a group of friends haven't learned how.

Disclaimer: I'm not even an S3 fan nor owner of one. Just saying that story proves nothing when it comes to usefulness or not.

Doesn't something need to be used for it to be useful? Isn't usefulness pretty much an opinion for an individual? Apparently no one bothered to learn how to use it bc well no one cared to use it. It was because there was a group of us that had the s3 available and we saw the marketing hype bump to share playlists yeah let's see how this works! I use drop box to share pics but I'm sure many people don't find drop box very useful. Add to the fact some of us were on different roms bc no one wants to speedily update the OS made things difficult.

JonL12345
Oct 16, 2012, 06:45 AM
My argument was referring to why someone might go iOS rather than Android, due to any time lag before your phone gets the update. What you are referring to is update delays between Android phones. That is something completely different.

The Apple fanboys often use this argument as why iOS is better. But its not, for the reasons I previously stated.

onthecouchagain
Oct 16, 2012, 07:52 AM
Now about the updates being slow to come to the machines. Now really, is this a big deal? Android already is more feature rich than iOS. So to claim it comes 4 months to your phone after an update (whereas the iOS is instant) is silly. I would rather stick with an older Android OS that does more than the brand spanking new iOS that does less.

So this. Very good point.

MonkeySee....
Oct 16, 2012, 07:55 AM
I would rather stick with an older Android OS that does more than the brand spanking new iOS that does less.

Sometimes less is more.

cynics
Oct 16, 2012, 08:18 AM
Sometimes less is more.

Best reply yet! Lol

JonL12345
Oct 16, 2012, 08:20 AM
Or in Apples case, too little too late.

If less is more, why worry about any update lag? Hmmmm....

Ayemerica
Oct 16, 2012, 08:35 AM
I love my iPhone 5, but file system and LED notification would be awesome

JonL12345
Oct 16, 2012, 08:38 AM
I loved my iPhone 3GS. It felt lovely in the hand. But Apple has taken their eye off the ball and is left with a stale operating system. I was shocked at how good the Android OS was when I looked a month ago.

Apple are very good at keeping you blinkered and perpetuating myths. If I mainly wanted a phone I would probably get an iPhone 5. But nowadays, "phones" can do so much more. They are exceptionally powerful tools in your pocket - well, at least the Androids are. ;)

FlatlinerG
Oct 16, 2012, 08:46 AM
Some interesting points to note, but I would definitely rename the video to 50 features that the S3 has, and completely drop the notion that it is "better than" the iPhone 5.

A few more reasons:

* Capacitive buttons. Better than hardware buttons. The back button is amazingly useful.
* Video calling to any phone except iPhone. Facetime only works with iPhone, iPad and Mac. iPhone 4, 4S, 5, iPod Touch 4th and 5th gen, iPad 2, iPad 3rd gen, and any mac with a front facing camera running Lion or snow leopard with the FaceTime app. That's a pretty long list.
* Better maps app, better YouTube app.
* Background downloads while you do something else. Does this on iOS 6 too.
* Notifications icons in the status bar.
* Ability to jailbreak (called root) easily from day one. No need to wait months for the jailbreak to be released. Ability to downgrade firmware any time easily also. Subjective, not everyone feels the need to root or jailbreak. This is not a feature..
* Ability to upload any type of file to dropbox, your NAS, etc.
* Download any type of file from internet and being able to use it, like a .rar or .zip and extract its files inside. No need to mention the huge security risks with this ability...
* Weather on lockscreen, news, voice commands, etc. Siri works on the lock screen, and she'll give me weather or any other typical siri function.
* New Google Now and Google voice search.
* Radio FM. IPhone can listen to web radio, but there are places where 3G is not available.
* Ability to install apps that would never be allowed on ios, such as a torrent downloader, emulators, etc. Again with the security risks involved.
* Offline voice dictation on several languages.
* Backups are way more faster to restore with nandroid backup. Works just like an iTunes backup, but takes only 12 minutes for me. Backup time depends completely on the content being backed up. Also, with iCloud backups iOS devices can backup automatically while you sleep. I don't tend to count time while I sleep..
* My 48 GB version cost me 300€ less than what the 16GB iPhone 5 costs. 16GB plus 32GB micro SD. I just can't understand how a 16GB phone can cost 669€ unlocked and 599€ on contract with my voice and data plan.

Nice things, but the phone is too big! :D:D

There are always going to be valid points, but the majority here that I left alone would be easy enough things to fix with the iPhone. Except for the ability to add additional memory via the use of SD cards. That being said, I always hated having to carry around SD cards and never know where my stuff was or who, ultimately, would be responsible to support that SD card with my phone.

The best features that iPhone has that no other phone seems to understand, is that less is more and the simplicity and responsibility with everything being "call Apple" is easier to understand in terms of who supports what.

b24pgg
Oct 16, 2012, 09:03 AM
The best features that iPhone has that no other phone seems to understand, is that less is more and the simplicity and responsibility with everything being "call Apple" is easier to understand in terms of who supports what.
I think everyone understands this, and it is what fundamentally differentiates iPhone and Android.

If you want what Apple gives you, go with the iPhone. If you want total control and customization, go with Android.

That's really what it comes down to.

JonL12345
Oct 16, 2012, 09:05 AM
Less what though? Less options? Less choice? Less features? Such as broad statement as "less is more" means nothing.

"Announcing the new iPhone 6. No new features. In fact, we removed some to follow the mantra that less is more."

News alert! Comparison between S3 and iPhone just released. The results are now in. S3 has more choice, features and options than the iPhone 5. So, the iPhone is the clear winner! lol

matttye
Oct 16, 2012, 09:09 AM
I loved my iPhone 3GS. It felt lovely in the hand. But Apple has taken their eye off the ball and is left with a stale operating system. I was shocked at how good the Android OS was when I looked a month ago.

Apple are very good at keeping you blinkered and perpetuating myths. If I mainly wanted a phone I would probably get an iPhone 5. But nowadays, "phones" can do so much more. They are exceptionally powerful tools in your pocket - well, at least the Androids are. ;)

The OS isn't stale, it does the job. Windows doesn't get a wildly different interface every year and nobody ever says its stale. Why? Because an OS isn't meant to be fun - it's the applications that are meant to be fun.

FlatlinerG
Oct 16, 2012, 10:37 AM
I think everyone understands this, and it is what fundamentally differentiates iPhone and Android.

If you want what Apple gives you, go with the iPhone. If you want total control and customization, go with Android.

That's really what it comes down to.


Bingo. It's what really erks me when it comes to the whole iPhone vs. Every other Android phone out there debate. Not one is better than the other, it is completely and solely dependent on the answer to, do you want choice.

I am very indecisive, iPhone's are heaven to me.

Dmaynard83
Oct 16, 2012, 01:01 PM
Less what though? Less options? Less choice? Less features? Such as broad statement as "less is more" means nothing.

"Announcing the new iPhone 6. No new features. In fact, we removed some to follow the mantra that less is more."

News alert! Comparison between S3 and iPhone just released. The results are now in. S3 has more choice, features and options than the iPhone 5. So, the iPhone is the clear winner! lol

Yet the iPhone got the better ratings. Ironic.

xuselppa
Oct 16, 2012, 02:09 PM
The OS isn't stale, it does the job. Windows doesn't get a wildly different interface every year and nobody ever says its stale. Why? Because an OS isn't meant to be fun - it's the applications that are meant to be fun.

Given a choice between flying first class or flying coach (both tickets cost the same), you would choose to fly coach? If you had the choice between a BMW M3 and an old Yugo (both cost the same) you would pick the Yugo?

A saying like "it does the job" is just another way of saying you accept mediocrity, because you have no choice. Many iPhone users take this approach for some reason. To me, it is unacceptable.

And Windows phones don't really change because no one buys them. Who is out there to complain the OS is stale?

Lastly, I find the Android OS (in my case it is both ICS and Jelly Bean) to be fun to play with, an enjoyment to customize and make my own, a please to view my unique interface and a challenge if I want to tweak the ROM. You can do none of this with iOS unless you jailbreak (and you can't even do that yet on an iphone 5.)

matttye
Oct 16, 2012, 04:06 PM
Given a choice between flying first class or flying coach (both tickets cost the same), you would choose to fly coach? If you had the choice between a BMW M3 and an old Yugo (both cost the same) you would pick the Yugo?

A saying like "it does the job" is just another way of saying you accept mediocrity, because you have no choice. Many iPhone users take this approach for some reason. To me, it is unacceptable.

And Windows phones don't really change because no one buys them. Who is out there to complain the OS is stale?

Lastly, I find the Android OS (in my case it is both ICS and Jelly Bean) to be fun to play with, an enjoyment to customize and make my own, a please to view my unique interface and a challenge if I want to tweak the ROM. You can do none of this with iOS unless you jailbreak (and you can't even do that yet on an iphone 5.)

I don't accept mediocrity. I used Android for about three years prior to getting my iPhone 5. I had a HTC Desire, a Galaxy S2 and a Galaxy S3. I've used all versions of the Android OS from Eclair to Jelly Bean, other than Honeycomb. I prefer iOS because it's just so much more well thought out and works better for the things I need from my smartphone.

When I said it does the job, I meant that it works fine and there's no reason to change it drastically. Apple risks alienating their customer base if they change it too much. Evolutionary upgrades seem to be working well.

iMessages, pictures, reminders, etc, are all synced with my iPad. Shared photo streams are awesome. I use geolocation reminders quite a bit - very useful. My phone automatically connects to bluetooth every time I get in the car; Galaxy S3 was hit and miss. Siri is better than S Voice and I use it quite a bit whilst driving or working out. My iPhone can connect to and switch between both bands on my dual band WiFi router; I used to have to toggle WiFi off and on again on my S3 to connect to the 5GHz band. No need to toggle settings on/off to save battery life.

macsmurf
Oct 16, 2012, 06:17 PM
Given a choice between flying first class or flying coach (both tickets cost the same), you would choose to fly coach? If you had the choice between a BMW M3 and an old Yugo (both cost the same) you would pick the Yugo?

Well, with an Android phone, at least I would know where to go and how to get there ;)

F123D
Oct 16, 2012, 06:20 PM
Sometimes less is more.

Less options, less functionality, less features equals less confusion.

It's not really less is more. It's more like less is simple.

Apple has total control over what you can and can't do so you don't have to think.

If you want simple, purchase an iPhone. If you want options and features, purchase an android.

munkery
Oct 16, 2012, 08:35 PM
Here is more than 50 reasons why iOS is better than Android:

From our analysis, one alarming result is that among 1260 samples in our dataset, 463 of them (36.7%) embed at least one root exploit (Table V).

http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/jiang/pubs/OAKLAND12.pdf

The article is talking about malware.

xuselppa
Oct 16, 2012, 08:51 PM
Here is more than 50 reasons why iOS is better than Android:



http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/jiang/pubs/OAKLAND12.pdf

The article is talking about malware.

uhhh, how do you think the iPhone gets jailbroken? Unicorns and fairy dust?

munkery
Oct 16, 2012, 10:41 PM
uhhh, how do you think the iPhone gets jailbroken? Unicorns and fairy dust?

Bootrom exploits used to jailbreak iOS can't be leverage in the same way as the root exploits used in malware in Android.

Of the type of privilege escalation exploits used in malware, android doesn't have a tremendous amount more of these vulnerabilities but over 50% of Android devices aren't fully patched so malware developers can leverage these exploits because the vulnerabilities are known and unpatched in many devices.

https://blog.duosecurity.com/2012/09/early-results-from-x-ray-over-50-of-android-devices-are-vulnerable/

http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/jiang/pubs/OAKLAND12.pdf

xuselppa
Oct 16, 2012, 10:44 PM
Here is more than 50 reasons why iOS is better than Android:



http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/jiang/pubs/OAKLAND12.pdf

The article is talking about malware.

And here is a great article discussing Apple's lax security measures on peripherals.

Lightning cable may not be so tough to crack after all. A new analysis from the reverse engineering specialists at Chipworks shows that the Lightning does have a special chip that’s designed to implement security measures and thus thwart manufacturers’ ability to create cheap knockoffs. But as far as security chips go, the Lightning’s isn’t all that special as Chipworks found that its “security does not come close to the herculean approaches that are used in… today’s printer cartridges, but resembles the level of effort that cartridge manufacturers used to implement in the olden days.”

Chipworks suspects that this is “a calculated decision by Apple to keep costs to a minimum knowing that their core customer base prefers to shop in Apple stores or for brand name peripherals.” Or put another way, since Apple’s customers are so fiercely loyal and are used to paying higher prices for their products, the company doesn’t have to worry as much about them scouring for cheaper alternatives and can thus provide fairly lax security on its accessories.

munkery
Oct 16, 2012, 11:14 PM
And here is a great article discussing Apple's lax security measures on peripherals.

That has nothing to do with malware.

That is about preventing the reverse engineering of a cable to prevent third parties from producing alternatives.

apierrec
Oct 16, 2012, 11:22 PM
It doesn't take a genius ... Less is more!

/iWins end thread

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Some interesting points to note, but I would definitely rename the video to 50 features that the S3 has, and completely drop the notion that it is "better than" the iPhone 5.



There are always going to be valid points, but the majority here that I left alone would be easy enough things to fix with the iPhone. Except for the ability to add additional memory via the use of SD cards. That being said, I always hated having to carry around SD cards and never know where my stuff was or who, ultimately, would be responsible to support that SD card with my phone.

The best features that iPhone has that no other phone seems to understand, is that less is more and the simplicity and responsibility with everything being "call Apple" is easier to understand in terms of who supports what.

Yep.

layer8
Oct 16, 2012, 11:51 PM
90% of the interface in that video was disgusting. The Play Store is lacking, in numbers and quality. Developers still clearly favor the App Store to this day, and it's not hard to see why. And when I talk responsiveness, I'm talking how well the software tracks your finger. Jellybean improved responsiveness, but it's still behind iOS. For such a rudimentary task, you'd think Google would be on top of this. Google is more concerned with functions/tech stuff than the user experience.

With Android's continued smashing of iOS in marketshare in Q3 of 2012 (around ~47%, as opposed to ~19% for iOS), you really think that developers are preferring the lesser used OS? Agreed, both OS' make a funk load of cash for developers, but it's a bit far-fetched to assume that any major release of an App will be only iOS based.

I have never struggled to find any application on the play store. I'm not saying every application on iOS is available on the playstore, but ****. You're splitting hairs here.

Take to this thread just your opinion, there's no need to spout rubbish.

This is coming from a very happy Galaxy S3 owner, and a heavy user of iOS 5 on an iPod touch.

munkery
Oct 17, 2012, 12:07 AM
With Android's continued smashing of iOS in marketshare in Q3 of 2012 (around ~47%, as opposed to ~19% for iOS), you really think that developers are preferring the lesser used OS?

Your market share numbers appear to be wrong.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/mobile-market-share

Is that only for phone sales in that quarter?

Does it include iPad sales?

zbarvian
Oct 17, 2012, 07:00 AM
With Android's continued smashing of iOS in marketshare in Q3 of 2012 (around ~47%, as opposed to ~19% for iOS), you really think that developers are preferring the lesser used OS? Agreed, both OS' make a funk load of cash for developers, but it's a bit far-fetched to assume that any major release of an App will be only iOS based.

I have never struggled to find any application on the play store. I'm not saying every application on iOS is available on the playstore, but ****. You're splitting hairs here.

Take to this thread just your opinion, there's no need to spout rubbish.

This is coming from a very happy Galaxy S3 owner, and a heavy user of iOS 5 on an iPod touch.

Yes. Developers have been vocal about preferring iOS. Tiny Wings, native Facebook, Apple's essential iLife apps that I need, Infinity Blade, Temple Run, there are so many big apps and games that are iOS exclusives for a long time. It's a much more profitable platform, and the amount of piracy on the Play Store, coupled with the difficulties of making attractive apps, results in a strong preference and devotion to the App Store. I'm not splitting hairs. I've browsed the Play Store in the last week, and it's sorely lacking. It stopped being a numbers game when both stores hit like 400,000 apps, IMO.

Sensamic
Oct 17, 2012, 07:37 PM
Last week I tried the iPhone 5 for the first time and I was really impressed. Was fast, light, good size, great screen, etc.

But today I went and tried it again and I've got to say I became a little bit bored after playing with it for 10 minutes or so.

I like the polished ios and the apps, but the boredom is mainly due to the restrictions. The gallery app is still horrible compared to android, and I miss the file explorer and other stuff from android.

Web pages look really small compared to my 4.8 screen in the sgs3. Yes, is too big. True. But web pages look so much better. The iPhone 5 screen is also not ideal for videos. Movies and YouTube videos on the sgs3 is simply the best experience.

I guess the best choice is a nexus, as to not have to deal with Samsung and other companies. Google is really improving their os with every new update.

I still prefer the notification systems from ios and the polished os and great apps, but I don't know if that is enough to make me go back. Apps is not that big of a deal right now because with android I can have certain apps I would never have on ios and other apps like dropbox allow me to upload any type of file.

cynics
Oct 17, 2012, 07:54 PM
Your market share numbers appear to be wrong.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/mobile-market-share

Is that only for phone sales in that quarter?

Does it include iPad sales?

This data is no where near accurate for actually how many handsets are in peoples hands. They weigh per country (there FAQ even uses Brazil as an example they double the data). The iPad has larger market share then the iPhone? Even Apple themselves don't claim that.

Asia doesn't get much weight for it actual population which is probably a huge factor.

munkery
Oct 18, 2012, 04:17 PM
This data is no where near accurate for actually how many handsets are in peoples hands. They weigh per country (there FAQ even uses Brazil as an example they double the data). The iPad has larger market share then the iPhone? Even Apple themselves don't claim that.

Asia doesn't get much weight for it actual population which is probably a huge factor.

Ok, here are some better stats. It shows Android with a slight lead but it also shows the trend of how Android market share has only rumped up recently.

These market share numbers don't justify the enormous difference in the amount of malware affecting iOS vs Android given the market share trends.

The difference is due to Android being a much easier target.

370464

cnev3
Oct 18, 2012, 06:31 PM
A few reasons why the iPhone is better than the Galaxy S3...


Swordigo, Chinatown Wars, Pocket Planes, Street Fighter Volt, Fairway Solitaire, Beat Hazard Ultra, Infinity Blade II, Bike Baron, Gesundheit, Monkey Island 1-3, Groove Coaster, Starfront Collision, Aralon, Rage HD, Matching with Friends, The World Ends With You, Scribblenauts, Avengers Initiative, Back to the Future, Battle Academy, Zuma's Revenge, Touchgrind, MVC3, New Puzzle Bobble, SF vs Tekken, Ultimate MC3, Rayman Jungle Run, Wild Blood, Walking Dead, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Chaos Rings, Bastion, Skate It, Chrono Trigger, NFS Shift 2, Iron Man 2, Prince of Persia, Tom Clancys Hawk, Mirrors Edge, Hero of Sparta, Phoenix Wright, Limbo, Rock Band, Tiny Wings, Zombie Gunship, Eternal Legacy, Ticket To Ride, Sid Miers Pirates, Sid Miers Civilization, Garageband, FL Studio, Animoog, Filtratron, DJay, Figure, Nano Studio, iKaossilator, DM1, Multitrack DAW, ReBirth, Ampkit, Tab Toolkit, Amplitube, etc...

And an OS that is stable and not cluttered with far too many menus.

cnev3
Oct 18, 2012, 06:48 PM
Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.


If I want to clear up memory and stop services to make my phone run better:

Go to my Task Manager icon, select RAM tab, press Clear Memory button.
Then go to Settings>Applications>Running Services>Select the service to stop>Press Stop Button> Repeat last 2 steps with every service. Note that some services have a process which you also have to stop. Also note that some services after you click Stop, are still there in the menu. Trying to stop it multiple times won't do anything.

On iOS you press home button twice. Hold down on the app you want to cancel. Press X

smellysox8
Oct 18, 2012, 07:01 PM
Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.



Go to app drawer. Press and hold desired app. Drag to uninstall option.

Sensamic
Oct 18, 2012, 07:07 PM
Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.


If I want to clear up memory and stop services to make my phone run better:

Go to my Task Manager icon, select RAM tab, press Clear Memory button.
Then go to Settings>Applications>Running Services>Select the service to stop>Press Stop Button> Repeat last 2 steps with every service. Note that some services have a process which you also have to stop. Also note that some services after you click Stop, are still there in the menu. Trying to stop it multiple times won't do anything.

On iOS you press home button twice. Hold down on the app you want to cancel. Press X

I'm not sure if you're being serious or being funny...

Right now I'm laughing with a horror look in my eyes :what::what::what:

sc4rf4c3
Oct 18, 2012, 09:07 PM
Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.


If I want to clear up memory and stop services to make my phone run better:

Go to my Task Manager icon, select RAM tab, press Clear Memory button.
Then go to Settings>Applications>Running Services>Select the service to stop>Press Stop Button> Repeat last 2 steps with every service. Note that some services have a process which you also have to stop. Also note that some services after you click Stop, are still there in the menu. Trying to stop it multiple times won't do anything.

On iOS you press home button twice. Hold down on the app you want to cancel. Press X

You don't know how to use Android, even my 60 yr old neighbor who has an old Android device knows to long press the app to delete. To kill an app you long press the home button and clear away.

globtroter
Oct 18, 2012, 10:49 PM
That Rocks!
Galaxy S3 software update ALPHA now with SPLIT SCREEN/ MULTIWINDOW feature(like Note2), processor boosted-1.6 GHz and many more!
Link:
http://apkgalaxy.com/android-news/galaxy-s3-alpha-runs-jelly-bean-with-built-in-multi-window-support.html

cnev3
Oct 19, 2012, 01:24 AM
You don't know how to use Android, even my 60 yr old neighbor who has an old Android device knows to long press the app to delete. To kill an app you long press the home button and clear away.

Not on my phone. Holding down home brings up recent apps, and a button to task manager, which I already have a shortcut to on my home screen.

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I'm not sure if you're being serious or being funny...

Right now I'm laughing with a horror look in my eyes :what::what::what:

Well i'm glad I could put a smile on your face, but you still can't refute my point that android is cluttered with way too many menus, while iOS is intuitive and sleek.

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Go to app drawer. Press and hold desired app. Drag to uninstall option.

When I press and hold the apps icon, I have the option to remove the shortcut, I don't have the option to uninstall it other than the way I described.

ANYWAYS, the fact that iOS is a better designed OS than Android isn't the reason why I won't be choosing an android phone for my next phone. It's because of content.

The Zune HD had a handful of really cool features that the iPod Touch didn't have, but it flopped. Why? Because it didn't have the content that the iPod Touch had. Aside from making calls, and browsing (which iOS does better) what you have in your hands is a means to use apps. I'm going with the platform that has not the most, but the best apps. If Android ever surpasses iOS in that regard, i'll gladly switch back over.

matttye
Oct 19, 2012, 01:24 AM
Not on my phone. Holding down home brings up recent apps, and a button to task manager, which I already have a shortcut to on my home screen.

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Well i'm glad I could put a smile on your face, but you still can't refute my point that android is cluttered with way too many menus, while iOS is intuitive and sleek.

On ice cream sandwich or later based ROMs, you long press home to bring up a vertical list of recent apps and can swipe them to the left/right to kill them.

With some launchers you can drag an icon/widget to an "uninstall" button to uninstall the app.

However, this experience is not consistent across devices and setups, so your point is still a valid one.

cnev3
Oct 19, 2012, 01:39 AM
Don't get me wrong. I think the S3 is a sweet phone, and a lot of those features are awesome, but still many android phones don't have a lot of those features. If I was going to stay with Android and sign a new 2 year contract, I'd definitely choose the S3.

Also another reason why I prefer iOS is because i'm a musician, and iOS has way more music production apps than Android. Android doesn't have anything that can rival Garage Band, and many music companies like Moog, and Roland, don't have android version of their programs. If you're a guitarist, and you've used Amplitube, you'll understand.

Also, my android phone does a lot of funky things. The brightness mysteriously adjusts from the very highest, to the very lowest for no reason. An app will crash at least twice a day. I find myself always restarting it. And thats annoying how it runs a virus scan every time I restart it, unplug it from USB tethering, or I re-insert my MicroSD card. I want to uninstall the virus scanner, but then I have to worry about getting a virus, and if thats what's causing issues.

Worst of all it does this thing where all the icons on my home screen disappears, and it looks like the phone is going to shut down, then the icons re-appear, and it does this in a cycle, sometimes 5 or 6 times in a row. WTF. And I always have the latest firmware, and it's not hacked.

And because there are so many different android headsets, with different levels of hardware, you don't have the same assurance that an app will run with acceptable performance like you do with an iOS device. My phone is only a few months old, and I spent $7 on Modern Combat 3, and the game is simply unplayable. Unfortunately I didnt know how ridiculously brief the refund period was, and the $7 is wasted.

When FF Chaos Rings came out on iOS and the app had no voiceover sound, I got a refund from Apple and I still was able to keep the $14 game, and I re downloaded and played it when the devs fixed it.

wikus
Oct 19, 2012, 01:59 AM
I'm not even a fan of the S3, but if it was Apple that first introduced some of its features or if it was the iPhone to have it while others didn't, iOS-devotees would be the first to let you know how wonderful it is.

But, you know, if a non-Apple competitor does it first or has a feature the iPhone doesn't have, "who needs it?" or "the world isn't ready for it."

Yet, when Apple introduces new technologies or features (Thunderbolt port, anyone?), they're labeled as innovators pushing the frontiers.

Love the consistency.

Too bad Thunderbolt is a bigger failure than firewire.

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Here's one example of things that annoy me about Android, and how clunky it is compared to iOS:

If I want to uninstall an app, I go to settings>applications>manage applications>select app>press uninstall

On iOS you hold down on the apps icon, and press the X.


If I want to clear up memory and stop services to make my phone run better:

Go to my Task Manager icon, select RAM tab, press Clear Memory button.
Then go to Settings>Applications>Running Services>Select the service to stop>Press Stop Button> Repeat last 2 steps with every service. Note that some services have a process which you also have to stop. Also note that some services after you click Stop, are still there in the menu. Trying to stop it multiple times won't do anything.

On iOS you press home button twice. Hold down on the app you want to cancel. Press X

LOL, wow.

On my android phone I only have to long press my home button to see if i want to kill any specific apps or kill all with one touch.

Sorry bud, looks like iPhone loses here.

F123D
Oct 19, 2012, 04:33 AM
android is cluttered with way too many menus

I consider those features and options. Customized to make the phone fit your needs.


while iOS is intuitive and sleek

Same wall of icons. Simple UI that has gotten stale and boring. To many, simple is a good thing. That is, if you enjoy having apple tell you what you can and can't do.

onthecouchagain
Oct 19, 2012, 07:03 AM
Moving icons in iOS sucks, plain and simple. It used to be cute that you long-press and the icons do their jingle dance, and you move things, and then you hit home key, but that's grown tiresome.

In Android, you just have to long-press whatever you want to move and move it. Then you're done. The other icons/widgets shift accordingly. And you don't have to hit any additional key to say you're done.

I know iOS is renown for being simple and easy to use, but it's gotten to the point where as people become more tech savvy and more Android-knowledgeable, iOS' own simplicity is making it less usable. It takes many more steps to accomplish the same thing. I mean, just try to turn on Private Browsing and count the steps.

Josh Topolsky from the Verge wrote up an excellent "Software" review section for the iPhone 5 review that discusses precisely why it's gotten annoying that Apple still makes users "jump through hoops" to accomplish the simplest of setting changes.

b24pgg
Oct 19, 2012, 08:27 AM
android is cluttered with way too many menus, while iOS is intuitive and sleek.
Could you give us an example of what you mean by this?

iOS is an app drawer. Pages of icons and that's it. Android can look however you want it to.

sc4rf4c3
Oct 19, 2012, 08:52 AM
How is Android a clutter if you can pretty much have no icons or widgets on the screen if you choose to. Like what others have said, iOS is an app drawer.

MarcelEdward
Oct 19, 2012, 08:53 AM
Yes. Developers have been vocal about preferring iOS. Tiny Wings, native Facebook, Apple's essential iLife apps that I need, Infinity Blade, Temple Run, there are so many big apps and games that are iOS exclusives for a long time. It's a much more profitable platform, and the amount of piracy on the Play Store, coupled with the difficulties of making attractive apps, results in a strong preference and devotion to the App Store. I'm not splitting hairs. I've browsed the Play Store in the last week, and it's sorely lacking. It stopped being a numbers game when both stores hit like 400,000 apps, IMO.

I tried the android thing to make an app. But I could not get the test envionment running. After a few hours trying to get the android simulator up and running I gave up, withouth writing one line of code ...

paulsalter
Oct 19, 2012, 08:59 AM
I tried the android thing to make an app. But I could not get the test envionment running. After a few hours trying to get the android simulator up and running I gave up, withouth writing one line of code ...

I am not developer so don't know how hard it is on either platform

but reading the above would make me want to ignore someones apps totally, as they don't sem to want to learn the job of programming

cnev3
Oct 19, 2012, 09:52 AM
Too bad Thunderbolt is a bigger failure than firewire.


Why's that?


On my android phone I only have to long press my home button to see if i want to kill any specific apps or kill all with one touch.

Sorry bud, looks like iPhone loses here.

Wait, i'm missing something. Why does the iPhone lose in this regard? Are you saying that killing apps is easier on Android?

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Could you give us an example of what you mean by this?

iOS is an app drawer. Pages of icons and that's it. Android can look however you want it to.

Look at my previous post regarding uninstalling apps.

If I wanted widgets and animated backgrounds to kill my battery life, and eat up my RAM, I could use Cydia.

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In Android, you just have to long-press whatever you want to move and move it. Then you're done.

Ummm, yeah, same with iOS. How's moving icons more complicated?

daveathall
Oct 19, 2012, 09:52 AM
Wait, i'm missing something. Why does the iPhone lose in this regard? Are you saying that killing apps is easier on Android?[COLOR="#808080"]


Yes it is easier, with iOS one can only kill them one at a time, on Android they can all be killed with a long press and one tap.

paulsalter
Oct 19, 2012, 09:54 AM
how is double clicking the home button and then holding down the apps till they wiggle and then hitting the X to stop it intuitive

if I wanted to close an app fully, and didn't know how iOS worked, this would not be my first thought of how to stop an app

Markyboy81
Oct 19, 2012, 09:55 AM
Why's that?



Wait, i'm missing something. Why does the iPhone lose in this regard? Are you saying that killing apps is easier on Android?

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Look at my previous post regarding uninstalling apps.

If I wanted widgets and animated backgrounds to kill my battery life, and eat up my RAM, I could use Cydia.

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Ummm, yeah, same with iOS. How's moving icons more complicated?

Moving icons on ios isn't complicated but it is frustrating. Like trying to put the icons or folders in a particular order. Pretty much impossible as they just move where they want and I end up chasing them around the screen and from page to page

daveathall
Oct 19, 2012, 09:59 AM
Ummm, yeah, same with iOS. How's moving icons more complicated?

Instead of having an app in the top left corner of your iPhone, can you explain how to leave that space empty?

cnev3
Oct 19, 2012, 10:03 AM
On my android phone, I only use web browsing when its necessary. Its sluggish. The pinch to zoom is choppy. The screen scrolling is choppy. Highlighting small text and selecting fields is less accurate.

I would browse the web on my iPod Touch when I felt like lying in bed instead of sitting at my desk. There's a reason why 65% of mobile web traffic comes from iOS devices when 75% mobile devices are Android devices.

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Instead of having an app in the top left corner of your iPhone, can you explain how to leave that space empty?

Download Cydia and tweak your home screen?

Can you name a dozen must have android apps that aren't on iOS?

OneMike
Oct 19, 2012, 10:04 AM
Yes it is easier, with iOS one can only kill them one at a time, on Android they can all be killed with a long press and one tap.

This is one legitimate thing I miss about the S3 compared to iOS.

daveathall
Oct 19, 2012, 10:06 AM
Download Cydia and tweak your home screen?

Seriously, Jailbreaking? Just to move an app? You are funny.


Can you name a dozen must have android apps that aren't on iOS?

Don't need to. All the apps I need on iOS are on Android. Whats your point?

cnev3
Oct 19, 2012, 10:12 AM
Moving icons on ios isn't complicated but it is frustrating.

That's frustrating?


Also, my android phone does a lot of funky things. The brightness mysteriously adjusts from the very highest, to the very lowest for no reason. An app will crash at least twice a day. I find myself always restarting it. And thats annoying how it runs a virus scan every time I restart it, unplug it from USB tethering, or I re-insert my MicroSD card. I want to uninstall the virus scanner, but then I have to worry about getting a virus, and if thats what's causing issues.

Worst of all it does this thing where all the icons on my home screen disappears, and it looks like the phone is going to shut down, then the icons re-appear, and it does this in a cycle, sometimes 5 or 6 times in a row. WTF. And I always have the latest firmware, and it's not hacked.


^ this is frustrating

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Seriously, Jailbreaking? Just to move an app? You are funny.


Seriously, complaining to have an empty space in the corner of my home screen?

You are funny.

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Don't need to. All the apps I need on iOS are on Android. Whats your point?

That's because there arent a dozen good apps on Android that aren't on iOS.

You can't miss what you never had.

My point is...

I needed an app that could do what amplitube did, on Android. Couldnt find it. Because it doesnt exist.

I needed an app did what Garage Band does. It doesn't exist on Android.

I was in NYC and I needed to navigate their subway system for the first time, and I needed an app that gave me live turn by turn directions, like iTrans on iOS did. There is no app on Android that does that. I had to spend the extra money for a taxi.

My second trip to NYC I used iTrans on my girlfriends iPhone, and we used the subway system to go to everywhere we needed to go without missing a beat. No taxis or shuttles.

sc4rf4c3
Oct 19, 2012, 10:17 AM
Also, my android phone does a lot of funky things. The brightness mysteriously adjusts from the very highest, to the very lowest for no reason. An app will crash at least twice a day. I find myself always restarting it. And thats annoying how it runs a virus scan every time I restart it, unplug it from USB tethering, or I re-insert my MicroSD card. I want to uninstall the virus scanner, but then I have to worry about getting a virus, and if thats what's causing issues.

This paragraph alone shows that you don't know what you're doing.

daveathall
Oct 19, 2012, 10:19 AM
This paragraph alone shows that you don't know what you're doing.

He cant navigate a subway without his phone, that shows that he doesn't know what he is doing.

paulsalter
Oct 19, 2012, 10:27 AM
I was in NYC and I needed to navigate their subway system for the first time, and I needed an app that gave me live turn by turn directions, like iTrans on iOS did. There is no app on Android that does that. I had to spend the extra money for a taxi.



I see a few apps for the nyc subway
for turn by turn could you not use google maps

daveathall
Oct 19, 2012, 10:34 AM
I have never used the NYC subway, but why would one need turn by turn? It's not a facetious question, I am just curious, is it that difficult to find one's way around? What do the people without smart phones do?

cnev3
Oct 19, 2012, 10:41 AM
This paragraph alone shows that you don't know what you're doing.

How do you figure that?

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He cant navigate a subway without his phone, that shows that he doesn't know what he is doing.

Insults are what you give when you've lost an argument. Don't be so upset.

I have never used the NYC subway, but why would one need turn by turn? It's not a facetious question, I am just curious, is it that difficult to find one's way around? What do the people without smart phones do?

Ahaha. I love how you guys completely miss/ignore my point about apps that people need and use on iOS that do not only not have an Android version, but do not have a comparable app on Android. Instead you grill me about why I need the app specifically. CLASSIC!!

But I'll patronize your rebuttal...

iTrans tells me exactly where the closest subway station is, where to walk to get there, it tells me what route to take, and in how many minutes it will arrive. If there are any delays or construction closures, it will notify me and give a detour. It tells me when to get off. And it leads me to any transfers needed. Then once I get off the subway, it gives me walking directions to my destination. Super simple, fast, and reliable. Made me feel like a local, and not a clueless tourist.

smellysox8
Oct 19, 2012, 10:47 AM
Can you name a dozen must have android apps that aren't on iOS?

1. Google Maps (ooohh burn)
2. Swiftkey
3. Swype
4. Poweramp
5. Tasker
6. Juicedefender
7. Titanium backup
8. Astro File Manager
9. Beautiful Widgets
10. Gaming Emulators
11. Apex/Nova/Go Launchers
12. GoSMS Pro/Handcent

I await your reply that all these apps are useless and that you have no need for them. :rolleyes:

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iTrans tells me exactly where the closest subway station is, where to walk to get there, it tells me what route to take, and in how many minutes it will arrive. If there are any delays or construction closures, it will notify me and give a detour. It tells me when to get off. And it leads me to any transfers needed. Then once I get off the subway, it gives me walking directions to my destination. Super simple, fast, and reliable. Made me feel like a local, and not a clueless tourist.

Google maps does all that for FREE. And does all that for every city that you would have to pay money individually for iTrans. Every time you post shows how large your lack of knowledge of Android is.

daveathall
Oct 19, 2012, 10:52 AM
Ahaha. I love how you guys completely miss/ignore my point about apps that people need and use on iOS that do not only not have an Android version, but do not have a comparable app on Android. Instead you grill me about why I need the app specifically. CLASSIC!!

I addressed your question some posts back;
Don't need to. All the apps I need on iOS are on Android. Whats your point?

The only app I miss from iOS is the Apple TV app, so for me, other than that, there are no must have apps from iOS that I need. How difficult is that to understand?

cynics
Oct 19, 2012, 11:02 AM
Can you name a dozen must have android apps that aren't on iOS?

I don't know if I know a dozen but I'll add if I think of any.

1. Swiftkeys keyboard (or any keyboard you prefer)
2. Astro file explorer
3. Google Nav
4. Tasker (very power automation)
5. Nova launcher (or any launcher you prefer)
6. Adobe Flash (I'm trying to keep this off my Android devices but its hard, and yes it's still available in the play store if you know how to find it)
7. GPS Essentials
8. Emulators if you love gaming (this in itself covers 7 - 10 different apps plus apps like USB joystick for plugging your game controller in, or use blue tooth.
9. My data usage (tells you how much data you used and exactly which app used it, this is built into the OS on later versions)

Then there are a lot that are more device specific.

10. Lite Flow for manipulating the notification light
11. Google Wallet
12. NFC task launcher

Then of course other software, don't know if you'd consider these apps or just silly but I use them.

13. Beautiful widgets
14. Wifi analyzer (Analysis of all wifi in your range and what's the strongest, which is the best channel to use, etc)

I'll probably think of a lot more stuff but this is just off the top of my head. Some can argue "that's not 'must have'", but if you say that then technically there is none for iOS either because there are Android users that dont have them. So iOS can't have "must have" apps either.

Fact is all the very important stuff both os's have. The some what important there is at least alternatives. Then there is like to have but can live without, that's where we are at in today. And it clearly goes both ways.

Edit: I see someone beat me too the punch. Lol

cynics
Oct 19, 2012, 11:05 AM
I addressed your question some posts back;


The only app I miss from iOS is the Apple TV app, so for me, other than that, there are no must have apps from iOS that I need. How difficult is that to understand?

There are apps like twonky and doubletwist air sync that are compatible with ATV (not as well as an iOS device). If you have the ATV jailbreak there is an Android remote too.

Markyboy81
Oct 19, 2012, 11:05 AM
I'm quite happy to accept that ios has more apps and that in a lot of cases the apps are better coded than on Android.
Having said that, the advantages of a more open, customisable operating system, along with more flexible hardware and upgradeable memory means I doubt I'll return to apple. Oh, and there's also the price of iPhones..

cnev3
Oct 19, 2012, 11:07 AM
1. Google Maps (ooohh burn)
2. Swiftkey
3. Swype
4. Poweramp
5. Tasker
6. Juicedefender
7. Titanium backup
8. Astro File Manager
9. Beautiful Widgets
10. Gaming Emulators
11. Apex/Nova/Go Launchers
12. GoSMS Pro/Handcent

I await your reply that all these apps are useless and that you have no need for them. :rolleyes:

Of course they're not useless. My point is, there are nowhere near as many must have Android apps that arent on iOS, than vice versa. And almost any app that isnt on iOS has a good iOS counterpart. Example:

1. Maps+ (google maps on iOS)
2. Smart Keyboard
3. Swype is not an app
4. SonicMax Pro
5. Tasker is good. I'll give Android that one
6. Battery Doctor (but saving battery power is def needed more on large screen android phones)
7. Not needed. You can backup within iTunes, or iCloud
8. File manager is for SD cards. Media is managed in iPhoto.
9. Dashboard for Cydia (but I dont kill my battery and ram with widgets)
10. Cydia has emulators for nes, snes, gba, and n64.
11. Dashboard for Cydia again
12. Pinger. Plus a billion other sms/text apps

Name an android app thats as good as garage band, or FL Studio, Animoog, Filtratron, DJay, Figure, Nano Studio, iKaossilator, DM1, Multitrack DAW, ReBirth, Ampkit, Tab Toolkit, and Amplitube.

Or a movie editing app that's better than iMovie.

Or an educational app thats as good as iTunes U.

A word processor that's as good Pages.

And tell me when there will be an android version for:

Swordigo, Chinatown Wars, Pocket Planes, Street Fighter Volt, Fairway Solitaire, Beat Hazard Ultra, Infinity Blade II, Bike Baron, Gesundheit, Monkey Island 1-3, Groove Coaster, Starfront Collision, Aralon, Rage HD, Matching with Friends, The World Ends With You, Scribblenauts, Avengers Initiative, Back to the Future, Battle Academy, Zuma's Revenge, Touchgrind, MVC3, New Puzzle Bobble, SF vs Tekken, Ultimate MC3, Rayman Jungle Run, Wild Blood, Walking Dead, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Chaos Rings, Bastion, Skate It, Chrono Trigger, NFS Shift 2, Iron Man 2, Prince of Persia, Tom Clancys Hawk, Mirrors Edge, Hero of Sparta, Phoenix Wright, Limbo, Rock Band, Tiny Wings, Zombie Gunship, Eternal Legacy, Ticket To Ride, Sid Miers Pirates, Sid Miers Civilization

sc4rf4c3
Oct 19, 2012, 11:15 AM
How do you figure that?

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You know that most antivirus apps can be disabled to run on startup if you chose to. You installed an antivirus and got annoyed when it does its job. Regarding the brightness could it be that you have your auto brightness and power saving mode on.

daveathall
Oct 19, 2012, 11:23 AM
There are apps like twonky and doubletwist air sync that are compatible with ATV (not as well as an iOS device). If you have the ATV jailbreak there is an Android remote too.

Thank you.:)

cynics
Oct 19, 2012, 11:29 AM
Of course they're not useless. My point is, there are nowhere near as many must have Android apps that arent on iOS, than vice versa. And almost any app that isnt on iOS has a good iOS counterpart. Example:

1. Maps+ (google maps on iOS)
2. Smart Keyboard
3. Swype is not an app
4. SonicMax Pro
5. Tasker is good. I'll give Android that one
6. Battery Doctor (but saving battery power is def needed more on large screen android phones)
7. Not needed. You can backup within iTunes, or iCloud
8. File manager is for SD cards. Media is managed in iPhoto.
9. Dashboard for Cydia (but I dont kill my battery and ram with widgets)
10. Cydia has emulators for nes, snes, gba, and n64.
11. Dashboard for Cydia again
12. Pinger. Plus a billion other sms/text apps

Name an android app thats as good as garage band, or FL Studio, Animoog, Filtratron, DJay, Figure, Nano Studio, iKaossilator, DM1, Multitrack DAW, ReBirth, Ampkit, Tab Toolkit, and Amplitube.

Or a movie editing app that's better than iMovie.

Or an educational app thats as good as iTunes U.

A word processor that's as good Pages.

And tell me when there will be an android version for:

Swordigo, Chinatown Wars, Pocket Planes, Street Fighter Volt, Fairway Solitaire, Beat Hazard Ultra, Infinity Blade II, Bike Baron, Gesundheit, Monkey Island 1-3, Groove Coaster, Starfront Collision, Aralon, Rage HD, Matching with Friends, The World Ends With You, Scribblenauts, Avengers Initiative, Back to the Future, Battle Academy, Zuma's Revenge, Touchgrind, MVC3, New Puzzle Bobble, SF vs Tekken, Ultimate MC3, Rayman Jungle Run, Wild Blood, Walking Dead, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Chaos Rings, Bastion, Skate It, Chrono Trigger, NFS Shift 2, Iron Man 2, Prince of Persia, Tom Clancys Hawk, Mirrors Edge, Hero of Sparta, Phoenix Wright, Limbo, Rock Band, Tiny Wings, Zombie Gunship, Eternal Legacy, Ticket To Ride, Sid Miers Pirates, Sid Miers Civilization

2. Isn't smart keyboard for Android?
6. Battery doctor is a joke and COMPLETELY useless as it doesn't DO anything.
8. File managers work on internal and external memory like windows explorer does in windows
9, 10, 11 - All require JB which I can't do to my company provided phone, even if I could its not even possible yet.

I'm not a musician and then I see a list of games (mostly bad) which not only don't I play but my 4S screen is too small to enjoy them anyway. I have dead trigger for both and not only is it more functional for Android since I can just plug in my PS3 controller but the screen is so cramped on my 4S it's just terrible. I'm not an iPhone hater because ill gladly admit the graphics are better on iOS. I just can't see how anyone could make a good argument for iPhone gaming with such a small screen that you need to get two thumbs on from lack of USB hosting support.

F123D
Oct 19, 2012, 11:51 AM
Are we really debating that iOS is better because it has tiny wings?

Jailbreaking definitely has its advantages. I wouldn't use an iPhone if I weren't able to jailbreak. But why jailbreak? One of the main reasons is to add tweaks and features that android has that apple just won't offer.

Even if you want to jailbreak, its becoming more difficult each year. When will a jailbreak even be available for iPhone 5 / iOS6? I'm tired of playing cat and mouse with apple just so I can have a fully functional phone instead of a watered down OS.

If you feel the need to jailbreak, it shows stock iOS is lacking.

Markyboy81
Oct 19, 2012, 12:08 PM
Are we really debating that iOS is better because it has tiny wings?

Jailbreaking definitely has its advantages. I wouldn't use an iPhone if I weren't able to jailbreak. But why jailbreak? One of the main reasons is to add tweaks and features that android has that apple just won't offer.

Even if you want to jailbreak, its becoming more difficult each year. When will a jailbreak even be available for iPhone 5 / iOS6? I'm tired of playing cat and mouse with apple just so I can have a fully functional phone instead of a watered down OS.

If you feel the need to jailbreak, it shows stock iOS is lacking.

Also, when I jail broke my last iPhone, the battery life really suffered and none of my Internet banking apps worked.

xuselppa
Oct 19, 2012, 12:28 PM
Of course they're not useless. My point is, there are nowhere near as many must have Android apps that arent on iOS, than vice versa. And almost any app that isnt on iOS has a good iOS counterpart. Example:

1. Maps+ (google maps on iOS)
2. Smart Keyboard
3. Swype is not an app
4. SonicMax Pro
5. Tasker is good. I'll give Android that one
6. Battery Doctor (but saving battery power is def needed more on large screen android phones)
7. Not needed. You can backup within iTunes, or iCloud
8. File manager is for SD cards. Media is managed in iPhoto.
9. Dashboard for Cydia (but I dont kill my battery and ram with widgets)
10. Cydia has emulators for nes, snes, gba, and n64.
11. Dashboard for Cydia again
12. Pinger. Plus a billion other sms/text apps

Name an android app thats as good as garage band, or FL Studio, Animoog, Filtratron, DJay, Figure, Nano Studio, iKaossilator, DM1, Multitrack DAW, ReBirth, Ampkit, Tab Toolkit, and Amplitube.

Or a movie editing app that's better than iMovie.

Or an educational app thats as good as iTunes U.

A word processor that's as good Pages.

And tell me when there will be an android version for:

Swordigo, Chinatown Wars, Pocket Planes, Street Fighter Volt, Fairway Solitaire, Beat Hazard Ultra, Infinity Blade II, Bike Baron, Gesundheit, Monkey Island 1-3, Groove Coaster, Starfront Collision, Aralon, Rage HD, Matching with Friends, The World Ends With You, Scribblenauts, Avengers Initiative, Back to the Future, Battle Academy, Zuma's Revenge, Touchgrind, MVC3, New Puzzle Bobble, SF vs Tekken, Ultimate MC3, Rayman Jungle Run, Wild Blood, Walking Dead, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Chaos Rings, Bastion, Skate It, Chrono Trigger, NFS Shift 2, Iron Man 2, Prince of Persia, Tom Clancys Hawk, Mirrors Edge, Hero of Sparta, Phoenix Wright, Limbo, Rock Band, Tiny Wings, Zombie Gunship, Eternal Legacy, Ticket To Ride, Sid Miers Pirates, Sid Miers Civilization
Interesting that you bring jailbreaking and cydia apps into this debate. Please show us a screenshot from an iPhone 5 or any device running ios6 with these tweaks. You can't, because iOs6 isn't jailbroken. Nearly everything listed by other people is available to any stock Android phone right out of the box.

And I am curious why you think games are important, because gaming on iOS is a pathetic joke. Game with an S3 or Galaxy Nexus phone/tablet and you can play with a PS3 or Xbox 360 controller. Games like Modern Combat 3 (plays just like Call of Duty: Black OPS) Dead Trigger, Mass Effect 3, or go old school and play nES, SNES, N64 games (any game ever made), or maybe some PS1 games, if you like?

As for the games you mentioned, just off the top of my head, I know the following are in the Play Store (maybe you forgot to look?)
Solitaire, Pocket Planes, Rayman Jungle Run, Tiny Wings, and Prince of Persia (the actual original classic game). Infinity Blade is unique to iOS but you might as well play the 1980's classic Dragon's Lair. It's basically the same thing, with prerecorded moves that need to be timed.
That said, those FPS games I mentioned for Android and using a PS3 controller is like having a mini console with you at all times. I got tired of always trying to use virtual buttons on the iPad and iPhone. Just wasn't a very pleasant experience. Hence, my opinion that gaming on iDevices sucks.

P.S. icloud and iTunes is not the same thing as using Titanium Backup or ROM Toolbox with all your apps and system files backed up right there on your phones SD card. And managing files on an unjailbroken iPhone is impossible (since you aren't allowed because there is no file manager) and file management with a unjailbroken iPad or iPhone is rudimentary at best, on the device. And I will take having the ability to use, edit and email Word, Excel and PowerPoint files over having a simple word editing app like Pages. Android trumps iOS in all of these categories, will iOS is much better in music creation and movie editing. I have never used or seen iTunes U, so can't comment.

matttye
Oct 19, 2012, 12:56 PM
I consider those features and options. Customized to make the phone fit your needs.



Same wall of icons. Simple UI that has gotten stale and boring. To many, simple is a good thing. That is, if you enjoy having apple tell you what you can and can't do.

Every user is different, but it doesn't feel like Apple tells me what I can and can't do, because I can do everything I want to.

I've had Android phones for the past three years and I have to say that the support, timely updates, ecosystem (iTunes+iCloud), battery life, and integration with my iPad make the iPhone a much better device despite the apparently-lacking features.

In a feature list war the iPhone will always lose, but in terms of usability it beats Android hands down.

I love Android, just find iOS suits me more at the moment. Google needs to work on the ecosystem more and make sure that their services are rolled out worldwide in a timely fashion. Google Music has been in beta in the US for MONTHS, but no word on when it's coming to the UK yet.

Meanwhile iTunes has been available on the iPhone in the UK since it was released, and iTunes Match was available very shortly after it was released.

F123D
Oct 19, 2012, 01:28 PM
It's like all the iPhone users who claimed 3.5" screen was the perfect size. There's no reason to go bigger. Why? Because Apple only offered one choice. All of a sudden, there's a 4" screen and everyones saying, omg, the 3.5" screen is soo tiny, 4" is the perfect size.

When apple only offers one option, you adapt to what you're given. If given choices, users will choose and select what's best for them. Not adapt to what apple says is best for them.

I'm not familiar with any betas and rollouts in the UK but how long has Siri been out? I don't think "Siri is in beta" is a valid excuse any longer.

matttye
Oct 19, 2012, 01:54 PM
It's like all the iPhone users who claimed 3.5" screen was the perfect size. There's no reason to go bigger. Why? Because Apple only offered one choice. All of a sudden, there's a 4" screen and everyones saying, omg, the 3.5" screen is soo tiny, 4" is the perfect size.

When apple only offers one option, you adapt to what you're given. If given choices, users will choose and select what's best for them. Not adapt to what apple says is best for them.

Right. But everyone chooses their device including iPhone users. It's not like iPhone users only had the iPhone to choose from, we had the same choices as everybody else including all the Android phones, we just chose the iPhone. You act like everyone was forced to get an iPhone and use only what Apple provides, but we all chose the iPhone just like you chose the device you want to use, and how everybody else chooses their own too.

I don't see why anybody would "adapt to what apple says is best for them," they'd either get the iPhone because it suits their needs, or get something else. It's not like I thought, "Oh crap, I really hate 4" screens but I just have to get the iPhone." I bought it because I wanted something that will integrate with my iPad and PC, that has enough storage for all my music, that I can use whilst driving (Siri) and there are a few other benefits, not least having access to the largest music and app stores in the world. The fact that I can talk to my fiancée whilst she's using both her iPad and her phone on my phone is great.


I'm not familiar with any betas and rollouts in the UK but how long has Siri been out? I don't think "Siri is in beta" is a valid excuse any longer.

Been out since the 4S was released, so just over a year, and it works really well. iOS 6 bought local business searches to the UK, so it was a year after Siri's release. Is that the point you're getting at? :p

sc4rf4c3
Oct 19, 2012, 01:57 PM
In a feature list war the iPhone will always lose, but in terms of usability it beats Android hands down.


So according to you in order for Android to be useable it has to be used like an iOS device.

wikus
Oct 19, 2012, 02:01 PM
Wait, i'm missing something. Why does the iPhone lose in this regard? Are you saying that killing apps is easier on Android?


No, I said killing apps is easier on Android.

matttye
Oct 19, 2012, 02:09 PM
So according to you in order for Android to be useable it has to be used like an iOS device.

Not really, it's just that the iPhone has a number of services and features built in that you have to download third party alternatives for on Android.

For example.. music store (Google Music not available everywhere), data backup (Titanium Backup needs root to work fully if I remember correctly), find my iPhone (certain Android phones, eg the Galaxy S3, have equivalents built in), data syncing, iMessage and iCloud (although Android does also have cloud features that iOS doesn't have, such as installing apps via web browser).

Some of these features are fundamental things that people want in a mobile device, and they tend to be easier to use on iOS.

F123D
Oct 19, 2012, 02:15 PM
Understood.

Some people prefer a simple basic UI while others prefer a UI with features and options.

What's dissapointing for me is after a year, iOS6 hasn't shown much improvement.

matttye
Oct 19, 2012, 02:24 PM
Understood.

Some people prefer a simple basic UI while others prefer a UI with features and options.

What's dissapointing for me is after a year, iOS6 hasn't shown much improvement.

Kinda but that still doesn't summarise it.

It's not so much about the UI for me, but how it works with my other products and services. I can buy pretty much any song I want to listen to on iTunes right from the phone itself. I used to pay for Spotify, but the problem with that is that it doesn't integrate with voice commands (on either Android or iPhone), so I prefer buying music on iTunes. Now I can choose what music I want to listen to using my voice when I'm driving or working out.

I can receive messages, shared photo streams, etc, on both my iPad and my iPhone.

munkery
Oct 20, 2012, 12:42 AM
Here is some interesting information:

A study by Gene Munster at Piper Jaffray indicates that Apple iPhone users are very happy, and 94% plan to purchase another iPhone in the future. However, only 47% of Android users expect to buy another Android device and 42% expect to buy an iPhone. Another study by Gfk in the UK indicated that 84% of iPhone users will repurchase an iPhone compared to just 60% who would repurchase an Android phone. Brand loyalty amongst Apple users is high, ranks as number one, and has for years. Brand Keys just released their 2012 Consumer Loyalty report, and Apple again ranked top in tablets and smartphones.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/darcytravlos/2012/08/22/five-reasons-why-google-android-versus-apple-ios-market-share-numbers-dont-matter/

onthecouchagain
Oct 20, 2012, 01:47 AM
You know what's awesome about Android? You can share pictures, etc. with and via ANY program that's on your phone.

As far as I can tell, iOS only allows you to share mainly on FB, Twitter and via Mail. No DropBox. No nothing else, unless you actually do it through the app.

People keep touting how iOS is so simple and how that's such an important strength. Well, it's so simple that it's limiting. It's so simple it takes more steps to accomplish some of the simplest tasks (and in some cases, like switching between private browsing, it takes many steps). iOS is so simple that it's less usable.

Meanwhile, the competition has figured out better ways to accomplish the same things, and more.

matttye
Oct 20, 2012, 02:15 AM
You know what's awesome about Android? You can share pictures, etc. with and via ANY program that's on your phone.

As far as I can tell, iOS only allows you to share mainly on FB, Twitter and via Mail. No DropBox. No nothing else, unless you actually do it through the app.

People keep touting how iOS is so simple and how that's such an important strength. Well, it's so simple that it's limiting. It's so simple it takes more steps to accomplish some of the simplest tasks (and in some cases, like switching between private browsing, it takes many steps). iOS is so simple that it's less usable.

Meanwhile, the competition has figured out better ways to accomplish the same things, and more.

I think iOS 6 brings sharing more in line with Android's implementation, although I'm not sure whether it's as extensible or not from a developer perspective.

When I install EverNote, it shows up in the list of things I can share my photos to, and when I uninstall it, it disappears.

Don't know if it works for other apps, that's just the one I noticed.

You're taking a really simplistic view if you think iOS is less usable because it takes more steps to achieve something.

daveathall
Oct 20, 2012, 03:36 AM
Here is some interesting information:

A study by Gene Munster at Piper Jaffray indicates that Apple iPhone users are very happy, and 94% plan to purchase another iPhone in the future. However, only 47% of Android users expect to buy another Android device and 42% expect to buy an iPhone. Another study by Gfk in the UK indicated that 84% of iPhone users will repurchase an iPhone compared to just 60% who would repurchase an Android phone. Brand loyalty amongst Apple users is high, ranks as number one, and has for years. Brand Keys just released their 2012 Consumer Loyalty report, and Apple again ranked top in tablets and smartphones.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/darcytravlos/2012/08/22/five-reasons-why-google-android-versus-apple-ios-market-share-numbers-dont-matter/
Im not so sure that that is a good thing for consumers, it indicates that the majority of Apple purchasers will buy the device come hell and high water no matter what innovations are, or more importantly, are not included, it doesn't exactly force Apple to push the envelope, IMHO iOS 6 is a prime example, their "headline" feature (maps) cannot in all honesty be called a success by any stretch of the imagination.

I can however hear where the article is coming from, 6 months ago If you had asked me the same question I would have undoubtedly answered that my next phone would be an iPhone, I couldn't have imagined me jumping from the Apple ecosystem, the iPhone 5 is a superb device, but IMHO, it was the same old, same old (I had one and sold it) I am so glad that I have took the plunge and sampled other offerings, ATM, they suit me better,

Markyboy81
Oct 20, 2012, 04:27 AM
Im not so sure that that is a good thing for consumers, it indicates that the majority of Apple purchasers will buy the device come hell and high water no matter what innovations are, or more importantly, are not included, it doesn't exactly force Apple to push the envelope, IMHO iOS 6 is a prime example, their "headline" feature (maps) cannot in all honesty be called a success by any stretch of the imagination.

I can however hear where the article is coming from, 6 months ago If you had asked me the same question I would have undoubtedly answered that my next phone would be an iPhone, I couldn't have imagined me jumping from the Apple ecosystem, the iPhone 5 is a superb device, but IMHO, it was the same old, same old (I had one and sold it) I am so glad that I have took the plunge and sampled other offerings, ATM, they suit me better,

I'm with you on this, I bought an iPhone 4s 7 months ago and it is an amazing device. However, as time went on I became limited by what apple allowed me to do with it. I'll give you one example;

Importing photos from a digital camera. I've got a decent digital camera and wanted to be able to import the pictures to my iphone to be able to upload them to Facebook etc. There is no device to be able to do this for iphone although there is a device that will let you import photos from an sd card to an ipad. Why won't this work on an iPhone? Well it would work, but apple have restricted it, possibly because of the impact on battery life? Why can't I decide whether I want to sacrifice my battery life? No, sorry, apple won't let me have that kind of control.
No worries I thought, I can import to my ipad 1 and then transfer the photos to the iPhone. Why can't I just tether my iphone to my ipad, as the ipad is wifi only and there are no hotspots? Well in theory iPhone hotspots should work but I don't have a special iPhone contract (which would cost me twice as much for the same amount of data) so this feature has been disabled. Note that my carrier explicitly allows tethering with all other devices that support the feature, so again I blame apple.
This leaves me with the option of sending the files via bluetooth. There are apps to do this, but these either restrict the number of transfers or compress the photos. I want neither.
So I downloaded iphoto as I was sure this would work. But lo and behold, it's not compatible with the original ipad, not because it won't work, but because apple in their wisdom have decided that it wouldn't run well.
This is what I mean when I talk about lack of control.

zbarvian
Oct 20, 2012, 07:03 AM
This whole "wanting control over my smartphone" still bewilders me. Lol. I've never once felt that I wasn't in control of my iPhone, and don't understand how people arrive at that sentiment.

sc4rf4c3
Oct 20, 2012, 07:29 AM
This whole "wanting control over my smartphone" still bewilders me. Lol. I've never once felt that I wasn't in control of my iPhone, and don't understand how people arrive at that sentiment.

It bewilders you because you can't see the fact that other people want a different approach in controlling and using their smartphones. The Apple way is not the only way.

Markyboy81
Oct 20, 2012, 07:32 AM
This whole "wanting control over my smartphone" still bewilders me. Lol. I've never once felt that I wasn't in control of my iPhone, and don't understand how people arrive at that sentiment.

If you've never felt like this then clearly the iPhone is perfect for you as you're clearly happy to live well within apple's walled garden. Unfortunately not everyone wants to do this.

paulsalter
Oct 20, 2012, 07:41 AM
This whole "wanting control over my smartphone" still bewilders me. Lol. I've never once felt that I wasn't in control of my iPhone, and don't understand how people arrive at that sentiment.

I have never used iOS with documents as I dont like the way it stores data within the app, but how would the following work on iOS

I have all my documents stored in a folder on my device
I have been using app XX to edit these documents
A few months later I see a new app that I want to try, so I install it and all my data is instantly available

sharing data like this might be in iOS now, I dont know, but if not how easy is it to have 2 apps (or more) share documents

xuselppa
Oct 20, 2012, 11:42 AM
This whole "wanting control over my smartphone" still bewilders me. Lol. I've never once felt that I wasn't in control of my iPhone, and don't understand how people arrive at that sentiment.

How can you fathom what you don't understand? The iPhone is a simple phone, designed for both 2 year olds, 80 year olds, and everyone in betwixt. It can do a lot of things, but how it goes about doing it has already been pre-selected by Apple. You are simply taken out of the loop. Apple wants this to ensure a smooth and predictable UI. i. e. When a program force closes on iOS it shuts down and takes you back to the home screen. Idevice users don't realize the program had an issue and even if they did, they have no idea why.

zbarvian
Oct 20, 2012, 12:13 PM
How can you fathom what you don't understand? The iPhone is a simple phone, designed for both 2 year olds, 80 year olds, and everyone in betwixt. It can do a lot of things, but how it goes about doing it has already been pre-selected by Apple. You are simply taken out of the loop. Apple wants this to ensure a smooth and predictable UI. i. e. When a program force closes on iOS it shuts down and takes you back to the home screen. Idevice users don't realize the program had an issue and even if they did, they have no idea why.

Because that perspective is just wacky to me. I understand exactly what you're saying, but I never feel like "I'm taken out of the loop." My phone is mine, I'm in full control all the time. Just because I can't modify the kernel or download alternate keyboards doesn't mean I have no control.

Markyboy81
Oct 20, 2012, 12:35 PM
Because that perspective is just wacky to me. I understand exactly what you're saying, but I never feel like "I'm taken out of the loop." My phone is mine, I'm in full control all the time. Just because I can't modify the kernel or download alternate keyboards doesn't mean I have no control.

Like I said before that's great if you think like that, but I guess some of us like to have more freedom and do things how we like and not how apple tells us

onthecouchagain
Oct 20, 2012, 12:47 PM
This whole "wanting control over my smartphone" still bewilders me. Lol. I've never once felt that I wasn't in control of my iPhone, and don't understand how people arrive at that sentiment.

No one is saying you've "lost control" of your iPhone. Once again, you're using obscurantism to muddle people's valid complaints of iOS.

So ludicrous we have to convince people like you iOS can and should improve before we can talk about what iOS can and should improve on.

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And I just want to add... if it was iOS that implemented easier access to settings and offered less steps to accomplish the same things, I'd wager we'd have Apple fans praising how intuitive and easier to use iOS is.

But since it's the competition that has figured out better ways to do this, then "I don't get this whole obsession with controlling your phone!"

Dontazemebro
Oct 20, 2012, 12:51 PM
This whole "wanting control over my smartphone" still bewilders me. Lol. I've never once felt that I wasn't in control of my iPhone, and don't understand how people arrive at that sentiment.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/jaytrajik/red-pill-or-blue-pill_zps635bc1a0.png

zbarvian
Oct 20, 2012, 01:05 PM
No one is saying you've "lost control" of your iPhone. Once again, you're using obscurantism to muddle people's valid complaints of iOS.

So ludicrous we have to convince people like you iOS can and should improve before we can talk about what iOS can and should improve on.

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And I just want to add... if it was iOS that implemented easier access to settings and offered less steps to accomplish the same things, I'd wager we'd have Apple fans praising how intuitive and easier to use iOS is.

But since it's the competition that has figured out better ways to do this, then "I don't get this whole obsession with controlling your phone!"

Classic "hypocrite" argument. I know what's wrong with iOS and where it needs improving. Doesn't mean I can't disagree with the supposed "advantages of iOS."

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The Real World was a bleak, ugly, dangerous place. I'll stay where I'm at right now.

tbayrgs
Oct 20, 2012, 01:21 PM
And I just want to add... if it was iOS that implemented easier access to settings and offered less steps to accomplish the same things, I'd wager we'd have Apple fans praising how intuitive and easier to use iOS is.

But since it's the competition that has figured out better ways to do this, then "I don't get this whole obsession with controlling your phone!"

I think you offer many valid points and useful insight and information with most of your posts but dude, you are becoming such a broken record. Nearly every post I read of yours makes a reference to Apple fans only advocating a feature/function in a device once it's in an iDevice, else 'it's useless'. We get it, Apple fanboys are blind and ignorant. Point made, time to move on...

Dontazemebro
Oct 20, 2012, 01:26 PM
the real world was a bleak, ugly, dangerous place. I'll stay where i'm at right now.

:d

onthecouchagain
Oct 20, 2012, 06:23 PM
I think you offer many valid points and useful insight and information with most of your posts but dude, you are becoming such a broken record. Nearly every post I read of yours makes a reference to Apple fans only advocating a feature/function in a device once it's in an iDevice, else 'it's useless'. We get it, Apple fanboys are blind and ignorant. Point made, time to move on...

That's a fair argument. I'm sorry to be a broken record, but it's got to be said.

Here's my POV: Thanks to the Apple/Samsung trials, we now know Apple pays very close attention to consumer feedback. For what it's worth, it's now more important than ever to call people out on the inconsistencies and obscurantisms because it's still happening.

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I think iOS 6 brings sharing more in line with Android's implementation, although I'm not sure whether it's as extensible or not from a developer perspective.

When I install EverNote, it shows up in the list of things I can share my photos to, and when I uninstall it, it disappears.

Don't know if it works for other apps, that's just the one I noticed.

You're taking a really simplistic view if you think iOS is less usable because it takes more steps to achieve something.

For whatever reason, DropBox doesn't show up when I try to share from Photos on my iPad. I have to go into DropBox and upload things from there.

Did I miss a step?

cnev3
Oct 20, 2012, 06:39 PM
You know that most antivirus apps can be disabled to run on startup if you chose to. You installed an antivirus and got annoyed when it does its job. Regarding the brightness could it be that you have your auto brightness and power saving mode on.

I know how to disable the app. But I don't want to, because then i'll worry about viruses, and every time my phone does something weird, i'll worry that it's a virus, and I don't need that hassle. So I am forced to just deal with the inconvenience of waiting it to do scans.

Auto brightness is off. I turned it on, and back off several times. Screen brightness still randomly changes for no apparent reason.

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I addressed your question some posts back;


The only app I miss from iOS is the Apple TV app, so for me, other than that, there are no must have apps from iOS that I need. How difficult is that to understand?

The only iOS app that I miss is too freaking many to list.

If you only miss one iOS app, and you like the android OS more, then the iPhone isn't for you.

I use my device for primarily 4 things. Calls, music, web browsing, and games/music prod apps. In my opinion, iPhone does a better job at these things. While Android has a handful of features and other aspects that iPhone doesn't have, this isn't enough to make me stay with android phones.

But my 5th gen iPod touch will be delivered tomorrow, and my android phone will be used for only calls and wifi tethering.

cnev3
Oct 20, 2012, 06:59 PM
I just can't see how anyone could make a good argument for iPhone gaming with such a small screen that you need to get two thumbs on from lack of USB hosting support.

That 0.8" difference between an iPhone 5 screen and a Galaxy S3 is so HUGE! I could never play games on my 4" screen, but once I got a 4.8" screen, now gaming is possible. Please, dude. Dont even.

The iPod Touch is the most popular portable gaming device in the world, and not for a lack of screen size. I was in the top 100 leaderboard for Modern Combat 3, which I played on my iPod Touch and had a K/D Ratio of 4.6. I spent more time on that game than i'd like to admit.

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And I am curious why you think games are important, because gaming on iOS is a pathetic joke. Game with an S3 or Galaxy Nexus phone/tablet and you can play with a PS3 or Xbox 360 controller.

Yeah, i'm going to carry an Xbox 360 controller in my pocket everywhere I go.

And when I am home, i'm playing Battlefield 3, and Skyrim on my xbox.

Gaming on iOS is such a pathetic joke, that the developers who make the best games make it for iOS and not Android.

If I didn't care about gaming, i'd stick with my android device.

Not having Street Fighter Volt is alone, almost enough to make me ditch android.

With the new wider screen and A6 chip, gaming will only get better.

tbayrgs
Oct 20, 2012, 07:00 PM
For whatever reason, DropBox doesn't show up when I try to share from Photos on my iPad. I have to go into DropBox and upload things from there.

Did I miss a step?

It doesn't show up in the Photos app but is an option (as is Flickr, Dropbox, Goodreader, and a few others on my iPad) in iPhoto.

Vegastouch
Oct 20, 2012, 07:05 PM
I know how to disable the app. But I don't want to, because then i'll worry about viruses, and every time my phone does something weird, i'll worry that it's a virus, and I don't need that hassle. So I am forced to just deal with the inconvenience of waiting it to do scans.

Auto brightness is off. I turned it on, and back off several times. Screen brightness still randomly changes for no apparent reason.

I dont use a anti virus on my phone. Ive never had a virus on my Android devices. I pay attention to what i download and i read what the apps discriptions are and read the feedbacks. Have never had a problem but i did try Lookout for a few weeks on my GS1 once just to see what else it does.

If i ever get a problem with my phone, ill just do a reset if it is bad enough.
I never use auto brightness either. I just set to the halfway mark and leave it there.

tbayrgs
Oct 20, 2012, 07:12 PM
That's a fair argument. I'm sorry to be a broken record, but it's got to be said.

Here's my POV: Thanks to the Apple/Samsung trials, we now know Apple pays very close attention to consumer feedback. For what it's worth, it's now more important than ever to call people out on the inconsistencies and obscurantisms because it's still happening.

The problem with that logic though is that the culprits of this behavior are never going to react to such criticism with anything other than more blind loyalty and denial. Apple apologists aren't going to change so why beat that dead horse? All it does here is fire up the fanboys even more and often turns what can be constructive threads into flame wars. That being said, not sure why I'd expect anything titled 'my phone is better than your phone...' to be filled with constructive debate (not a personal reference to you but rather the general tone of most of this thread).

Alright, personal mini-rant complete. Back to our regularly scheduled program...

cynics
Oct 20, 2012, 07:42 PM
That 0.8" difference between an iPhone 5 screen and a Galaxy S3 is so HUGE! I could never play games on my 4" screen, but once I got a 4.8" screen, now gaming is possible. Please, dude. Dont even.

The iPod Touch is the most popular portable gaming device in the world, and not for a lack of screen size. I was in the top 100 leaderboard for Modern Combat 3, which I played on my iPod Touch and had a K/D Ratio of 4.6. I spent more time on that game than i'd like to admit.

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Yeah, i'm going to carry an Xbox 360 controller in my pocket everywhere I go.

And when I am home, i'm playing Battlefield 3, and Skyrim on my xbox.

Gaming on iOS is such a pathetic joke, that the developers who make the best games make it for iOS and not Android.

If I didn't care about gaming, i'd stick with my android device.

Not having Street Fighter Volt is alone, almost enough to make me ditch android.

With the new wider screen and A6 chip, gaming will only get better.

Yes, 20% larger is a massive difference and that's an S3 vs iPhones largest offering. There are larger screen Android devices if gaming is that important.

I'm not into mobile gaming I just know what I like. On my 4S dead trigger is me starring at my thumbs. I'm sure the 5 is mildly better but would anyone buy a 5 just for a larger screen to play games?

Can you cut back on the sarcasm a bit? There is a reason it's referred to as the lowest form of wit.

cynics
Oct 20, 2012, 08:23 PM
For whatever reason, DropBox doesn't show up when I try to share from Photos on my iPad. I have to go into DropBox and upload things from there.

Did I miss a step?

No you didn't miss a step. It's just not that good. I don't know if developers have access to this and apps just need updating but all I have is (in typical apple fashion) apple apps and their integrated apps Facebook and twitter. Which btw isn't that good, if I'm adding a pic to Facebook 90% of the time I want to add friends which it doesn't do. Maybe with time it will get better but right now it's just a crappy copy. The only app I'd like to see is Dropbox.

tech4all
Oct 20, 2012, 09:15 PM
I never use auto brightness either. I just set to the halfway mark and leave it there.

For inside it's fine, but outside, halfway brightness doesn't cut it.

Vegastouch
Oct 20, 2012, 10:20 PM
For inside it's fine, but outside, halfway brightness doesn't cut it.

This is true but if i need to turn up the brightness in sunlight i just pull down the notifications window and turn it up in a matter of seconds. This screen on the GS3 is not good in sunlight and i admit that but the majority of the time halfway up on the brightness is just fine.

daveathall
Oct 21, 2012, 03:41 AM
If you only miss one iOS app, and you like the android OS more, then the iPhone isn't for you.


I have had a iPhone 3GS, 4, 4S and 5 and decided that the SGS3 was best for me. Reading your previous posts you seem to have had an Android phone for some years, just out of interest, this being an iPhone5/SGS3 thread, how many iPhones have you owned? And have you ever owned a SGS3?

I dont use my phone for gaming, in fact, I don't do any gaming whatsoever, I also don't use my phone for music, I have over 160 GB of music that I keep on an iPod classic (I select a couple of albums that I don't want to transfer) that is always hooked up to my car, my wife does the same in her car, no phone or iPod touch would suffice. In the house I transfer my music from iTunes onto a Western Digital MyBook Live NAS and stream it through my Sonos system throughout different speakers around the house. I do however have some films, Kindle, browse the web and use Flipboard on my phone, the bigger screen size of the S3 over the iPhone is more than enough reason to have the S3, the iPhone 5 just cannot compete (IMHO).

Screenshot from my iTunes
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/daveathall/ScreenShot2012-10-21at100412.png

matttye
Oct 21, 2012, 05:50 AM
That's a fair argument. I'm sorry to be a broken record, but it's got to be said.

Here's my POV: Thanks to the Apple/Samsung trials, we now know Apple pays very close attention to consumer feedback. For what it's worth, it's now more important than ever to call people out on the inconsistencies and obscurantisms because it's still happening.

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For whatever reason, DropBox doesn't show up when I try to share from Photos on my iPad. I have to go into DropBox and upload things from there.

Did I miss a step?

Nope, like I said I'm not sure how it works. It just seems strange that Apple would add Evernote sharing without announcing that anywhere, and why that would only show up when Evernote is installed. It made me wonder if it was in fact now open to apps that implement the sharing Api.

Ill investigate further :p

cnev3
Oct 21, 2012, 11:38 AM
I have had a iPhone 3GS, 4, 4S and 5 and decided that the SGS3 was best for me. Reading your previous posts you seem to have had an Android phone for some years, just out of interest, this being an iPhone5/SGS3 thread, how many iPhones have you owned? And have you ever owned a SGS3?

I dont use my phone for gaming, in fact, I don't do any gaming whatsoever, I also don't use my phone for music, I have over 160 GB of music that I keep on an iPod classic (I select a couple of albums that I don't want to transfer) that is always hooked up to my car, my wife does the same in her car, no phone or iPod touch would suffice. In the house I transfer my music from iTunes onto a Western Digital MyBook Live NAS and stream it through my Sonos system throughout different speakers around the house. I do however have some films, Kindle, browse the web and use Flipboard on my phone, the bigger screen size of the S3 over the iPhone is more than enough reason to have the S3, the iPhone 5 just cannot compete (IMHO).

Screenshot from my iTunes
Image (http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/daveathall/ScreenShot2012-10-21at100412.png)

0.8" of more screen is the main reason you switched? I mean yeah its nice to have a bigger screen, but 0.8" isn't a lot. If I switched, it would be for the handful of features mentioned in the 50 reasons video.

I've owned 2 android smartphones, every gen iPad (but sold), and every gen iPod Touch.

I like the S3. I think it's a good phone, and if I was staying with an android phone when I sign a new 2 year contract, that's the phone i'd pick. My friend let me use it on a very long flight, and I spent a good couple hours getting a feel for it.

But I am big on games, and music apps, and there's just too many good apps that I was using on iOS, that I was disappointed to see Google Play not have.

The apps that Moog, Korg, Fender, and Propellerhead have released on iOS is really remarkable stuff. The sound modeling that would have costed hundreds just 7 or 8 years ago, is now on an app that's $1-$10.

I also have a fair amount of purchased content invested in iTunes, and many of my closest friends and gf use iOS devices, and that makes sharing and communicating easier,and playing multiplayer games possible.

When I got my android phone, I was downloading and using apps a lot for the first couple weeks, then I kind of lost interest. Now I only use my phone for calls, texting, looking up something online, or maybe a game of zynga poker when I am waiting in line.

On my iPod Touch, I was always gaming, and I used web browsing every day. Even though it was not a cell phone, I always had it in my pocket when I left the house.

And I just found iOS to have fewer issues, and less hassles. While it's by no means perfect, I didn't encounter the kind of issues that totally interfere with what i'm trying to do like my android phone has been doing. Maybe a newer set running jellybean would be more reliable, but that still wont change the fact that a lot of the content I want isn't available on it.

I guess it boils down to me putting more value on software than hardware.

Vegastouch
Oct 21, 2012, 01:12 PM
0.8" of more screen is the main reason you switched? I mean yeah its nice to have a bigger screen, but 0.8" isn't a lot. If I switched, it would be for the handful of features mentioned in the 50 reasons video.

Actually 0.8" is a lot when you hold them side by side and you have to remember that the GS3 is also wider than the iP5 which they didnt widen at all so the screen on the GS3 is much bigger than the iPhones is.

daveathall
Oct 21, 2012, 01:57 PM
0.8" of more screen is the main reason you switched? I mean yeah its nice to have a bigger screen, but 0.8" isn't a lot. If I switched, it would be for the handful of features mentioned in the 50 reasons video.

I've owned 2 android smartphones, every gen iPad (but sold), and every gen iPod Touch.

I like the S3. I think it's a good phone, and if I was staying with an android phone when I sign a new 2 year contract, that's the phone i'd pick. My friend let me use it on a very long flight, and I spent a good couple hours getting a feel for it.

But I am big on games, and music apps, and there's just too many good apps that I was using on iOS, that I was disappointed to see Google Play not have.

The apps that Moog, Korg, Fender, and Propellerhead have released on iOS is really remarkable stuff. The sound modeling that would have costed hundreds just 7 or 8 years ago, is now on an app that's $1-$10.

I also have a fair amount of purchased content invested in iTunes, and many of my closest friends and gf use iOS devices, and that makes sharing and communicating easier,and playing multiplayer games possible.

When I got my android phone, I was downloading and using apps a lot for the first couple weeks, then I kind of lost interest. Now I only use my phone for calls, texting, looking up something online, or maybe a game of zynga poker when I am waiting in line.

On my iPod Touch, I was always gaming, and I used web browsing every day. Even though it was not a cell phone, I always had it in my pocket when I left the house.

And I just found iOS to have fewer issues, and less hassles. While it's by no means perfect, I didn't encounter the kind of issues that totally interfere with what i'm trying to do like my android phone has been doing. Maybe a newer set running jellybean would be more reliable, but that still wont change the fact that a lot of the content I want isn't available on it.

I guess it boils down to me putting more value on software than hardware.

I think that you have some very fair and valid points, honestly, for viewing that .8" is a great deal for me (I have old eyes) having said that, your main reasons for picking iOS are for the gaming apps, hands up time, I can't fault you there mate, I would really have to agree. Music, as I mentioned on my previous post, I am heavily invested in iTunes and it works really well for me in conjunction with my iPod classics (although long in the tooth, I still feel that they are unsurpassed) My phone, I dont use for music or games, but love using it the way I do. Be sure to give us your first impressions of your new iPod touch when you get it tomorrow?

andyshock
Nov 7, 2012, 10:19 AM
I have used both the phones and here is what I have
seen....

1.
Screen has higher pixel density and
is brighter

True it is crisper on iPhone and outdoors in bright
light it is better but indoors S3 display looks better

2.
Thinner

True

3.
Lighter

False! Both are different sizes so comparing by
overall weight is NOT correct. Lets measure weight per inch to give you better
idea.

iPhone: 112gm/4 inches = 28gm /inch Samsung S3: 133gm/4.8 inches = 27.7 gm/inch

So in a true sense S3 is lighter as you are getting
bigger screen size in less weight.

4.
Easier one handed operation

Hahaha!! This is funny..... I have hardly seen
people using only one hand... most use two hands.. By the way who the hell said
that phone is to be used by only one hand when u have two: P. Tie

5.
Better build quality

Yes.. it should better be because apple costs more
than S3 (premium price)
But it comes down to personal preference. Tie

6.
Faster updates

True. But I did got Jelly Bean update in October
which is fine!

7.
Supported longer

False! Even older versions of android are supported
till date. Tie

8.
More apps

Yes! None the less not the number of apps but how
many useful apps are available matters and both have same. Tie

9.
Better version of apps

True and False!! Tie
Both have better versions and both have exclusive
apps

10.
More durable

This is a tie! Different drop tests shall reveal
different results

Score:
Apple – 3 Samsung – 1 Tie – 6

11.
Reversible charging port

False! Lighting charging port is definitely not
faster! Personally I prefer charging with any cable I have over dual side.
Anyways how many times can you fiddle on a two sided cable?

12.
Vibrate switch

False! This is just pure lack of research
Just keep pressing volume button down and it shall
go into vibrate mode or keep pressing power button and it shall multiple
options to work with, one of them is vibrate mode!

13.
Louder speaker

Really!! 2 to 5 dB may be

14.
Faster boot up, app speed, and
browser

True and False
Faster Boot up – If S3 has SD Card inserted then
iPhone is faster and Without SD card S3 is faster
The difference is of hardly few seconds!

App speed – iPhone launches app faster but in terms
of operation non-Add apps work faster in S3.

Browser – Iphone is not faster. It feels faster
because when it loads a web page it shows initial content quickly but it still
keeps on working where as S3 finishes with content display.

15.
Siri

Fasle!

Ok!.... Have you heard about GOOGLE NOW!
Its way better than Siri! And its predictive cards
are just awesome! It’s just been a few weeks use but it knows what I need...

16.
Raise to speak

I shall raise to speak with Siri and again bring my
phone down to see the results!! Sounds smart right? :P

Here Apple
copied S3’s raise to call feature!

17.
Reader feature in browser

True! I haven’t found any app alternative in S3.

False! Changing size of the text is simple and is
few touches away!

18.
Video compression for email

Personally, I have never required to email videos
and when you have S beam (NFC- Not just Samsung but all NFC capable devices can
share) where size doesn’t matter so don’t need email... for long distance tons
of video sharing options...

The more important this people attach on email are
documents and other format files which apple still doesn’t understand! Shame
here

19.
iTunes has larger media collection

True

20. Find my iPhone

Samsung Dive! And you can track not just by
proprietary I devices in iPhone but any browser which has access to internet!

(In fact lost phone security feature was first
available on Samsung phones around 4 years before iPhone existed!)

Apple – 2 Samsung – 4 Tie – 4

21.
More intuitive UI

Ok here it becomes interesting because
intuitiveness varies from person to person. Personally I don’t feel iPhone is
the most intuitive.

You get lot of custom launchers on android to suite your
personal choice of intuitiveness. Hence I shall say it’s False

22. Better 3D graphics

If eyes can’t make a difference out of two then
really does it matter!!

23. Game center

True

24. Apple store customer service

I haven’t faced problem in both devices so difficult to say but 400 centers worldwide for iPhone users is too large a number to solve issues: P

25.
No bloatware

True. There are non in iPhone

False... Some bloatware are good e.g. S3 Smart care
which can be used to diagnose problem issues before you seek assistance of
customer service

26. Built in emoji keyboard

False it may not be built in android but available
from play store for free and it shall work with not just few apps but any app you have on your phone. Honestly! iOS can’t compete with Android’s customization capabilities.

27.
Take pictures with volume button

Sometimes it feels good use volume button to click
pictures but saying “Cheese” and S3 clicking photos for you is just Awesome!

28. Tap to top in any app

True. In S3 double tap option is there in few apps

29. Multiple notification styles

No Doubt Notification are deep rooted within
android. iOS copied and trying new things but Android is simply too good,
extremely useful and very intuitive.

30. Spotlight search

False! Again Google Now has this.

Apple – 1 Samsung – 5 Tie – 4

31.
Read aloud highlighted text

False! Not built in built in available in play
store for ages

32. Guided access

True.....did anyone use this feature?

33. Privacy options

False! In application manager you can see the
access rights for every app.

34. Do not disturb

False! Blocking mode in S3

With play store app such as Tasker you can do
almost anything you can think of..

35.
Set restrictions

False! Again custom launchers have this
functionality.

36. Keyboard shortcuts

False! Again 3rd party apps have this functionality

37.
Lock screen options (camera, music,Siri)

False Hahaha!! Again is copied from Android. You can customize 4 apps that you want access from lock screen

38. Reminders by location

False!
With play store app such as Tasker you can do almost anything you can think of..

39. Easy access to photo gallery from camera

False this is silliest reason, Iphone has swipe
access and S3 has touch access.

40. Custom contact vibrations (Better
resale value)

Tie. Both have custom contact vibration feature.

Apple – 1 Samsung – 2 Tie – 7

41.
iMessage

False! This is only for iPhone user and S3 also has
similar messenger chatOn. I dislike both. There are better cross platform
messengers such as whatsApp, Viber, Skype etc.

42. VIP mailbox

Flase! Not just VIP but you can create any folder
like VIP 1 to VIP 100 :P in S3

43. Pop up notifications on lock screen

False! Both have it. In fact S3 goes a step further
and that is if you swipe on the notification and unlock your phone it shall
directly go to that app.

44. Airplay mirroring

Yes others don’t have it, but DLNA cross platform
is much better option which S3 has and many others but not iPhone.

45.
iTunes remote

Since S3 doesn’t have iTunes they thought it’s
better not to give a remote!!

You can voice control music player so no need for
any remote

46. iPod features (equalizer, shake to shuffle, etc)

Why are we talking about iPod feature here ;) still
these features are available in s3 music player

47.
Passbook

False! google wallet and 3rd party apps
like pass wallet available

48. More accessories available

True and False

You can have more accessories for iPhone to make it
beautiful from outside

You can have more accessories for S3 to make it
beautiful internally (No jail breaking or rooting)

49. Photo stream

Share shot and buddy photo share is way better than
photo stream.

50. Easy sync and backup with iCloud and iTunes

Both have this option. With
Iphone you are stuck with iTunes but with S3 multiple options are there which
is always good.

Apple – 2 Samsung – 5 Tie – 5

Total Score

Apple – 9 Samsung – 17 Tie – 24

So Finally!!
- There are 9 aspects of iPhone which are not available on S3 or better than S3
- There are 17 aspects of S3 which are not available on iPhone or better than
- There are 24 aspects of iPhone which are available on both S3 & iPhone in one or the other way.