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w00t951
Oct 16, 2012, 03:20 PM
First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not trolling or flaming.

Who would pick Windows RT/Surface over iPad/iOS?

I personally would go for the iPad, as you have:
App Store
Retina Display
iWork (similar to Office Preview)
12 hours of battery life

For the businessman or the casual consumer, the iPad with perhaps an Origami Keyboard Case and Apple Wireless Keyboard seems to be the better choice than the Surface RT tablet.



waa1futs
Oct 16, 2012, 03:46 PM
1) Type cover (with trackpad)
2) Built-in kickstand
3) Ability to upload documents
4) Microsoft office
5) USB

These are the things so far that have me leaning towards the Surface.

To each his own though.

HowardSmith
Oct 16, 2012, 03:55 PM
1) Type cover (with trackpad)
2) Built-in kickstand
3) Ability to upload documents
4) Microsoft office
5) USB

These are the things so far that have me leaning towards the Surface.

To each his own though.

Me too. Plus Freedom from iTunes!

The RT is just for practice till the Surface PRO arrives!

w00t951
Oct 16, 2012, 04:05 PM
Me too. Plus Freedom from iTunes!

The RT is just for practice till the Surface PRO arrives!

The Pro will be in the ballpark of $1000. I don't think we're comparing that and the iPad.

Night Spring
Oct 16, 2012, 04:05 PM
Typecover is a nice concept, but I'd need to try it to see if typing on that will be comfortable for me. iOS 6 is a proven and mature OS, while Win8 has yet to prove itself. I'm planning on spending some time at a Microsoft store to give Surface a try, but for now I'm sticking with my iPad.

waa1futs
Oct 16, 2012, 04:10 PM
Typecover is a nice concept, but I'd need to try it to see if typing on that will be comfortable for me.

You're talking about needing to get used to the Touch Cover (the one without physical keys). If you can't get used to it then the Type Cover will suit you fine with physical keys just like a regular keyboard.

The Type Cover is only $10 more than the Touch Cover.

Night Spring
Oct 16, 2012, 04:14 PM
You're talking about needing to get used to the Touch Cover (the one without physical keys). If you can't get used to it then the Type Cover will suit you fine with physical keys just like a regular keyboard.

The Type Cover is only $10 more than the Touch Cover.

Sorry about the confusion, and thanks for the clarification!

But I do think even the Type Cover needs to be tested out first -- it's still a lot thinner than regular keyboards, so I have no idea how I will feel typing on one.

Mrbobb
Oct 16, 2012, 05:17 PM
MS should just license the OS and let others make the hardware. With exception of game console, MS has shown not able to make cool hardware.

THEN, for competitors to succeed they have sell cheaper than Apple. Me thinks Apple only worries about Amazon, Google, not MS.

CapnJackGig
Oct 16, 2012, 05:55 PM
Surface because it's running a real OS and not that god-awful iOS6. It also has a real assortment of ports. Only reason to ever get an iPad is if you watch a lot of movies/tv. Otherwise it's useless if you own a good laptop/PC/Mac.

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MS should just license the OS and let others make the hardware. With exception of game console, MS has shown not able to make cool hardware.

THEN, for competitors to succeed they have sell cheaper than Apple. Me thinks Apple only worries about Amazon, Google, not MS.

That's exactly what they've done.

0x000000
Oct 16, 2012, 06:13 PM
It's too expensive. It was rumored to start at something ridiculous like 199 or 299 a while ago, well that would've been killer. Now it may be cheaper than the iPad but still expensive. And the touch cover costs a small fortune, too. Bleh, I'm disappointed.

The true game changer was, in my opinion, the not-even-yet-announced Surface Pro, because it's a full PC in almost the form factor we know from Tablets. But seeing the RT-price it'll likely cost around 1k and for that money you could just as well buy a MBA.

What disappoints me most is the painfully bad commercial that's neither cool nor funny. Nothing compared to the very stylish first surface teaser which gave me goosebumps. I believe Microsoft botched this one, even though I really wished them not to.

Abazigal
Oct 16, 2012, 06:21 PM
Think we will need to wait for some hands- on reviews first. Everything about the surface has been sounding good on paper thus far, the challenge now is seeing if they can deliver in real-life usage.

For all we know, there may be limitations not so readily apparent, such as fluidity and smoothness of the interface? That's the reason apple uses 2 separate OS; will be interesting to see whether Microsoft can bridge this divide it not.

Vizin
Oct 16, 2012, 06:28 PM
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0x000000
Oct 16, 2012, 06:49 PM
Hard to say. I wasn't sold on the iPad's UI until I got a chance to play with it. I've never liked the tile UI from a conceptual standpoint, but I've also never had a chance to use it on a tablet.

From a conceptual standpoint the Surface is far superior. Those icon grids you have on the iOS devices are completely ridiculous and so out of date, it hurts. It's the continuation of the "desktop" metaphor people thought of decades ago, when no one knew anything else but a desk with files, folders, a small calculator and trash bin. It's a giant anachronism.

The Surface does all that better, but it is new and will thus likely lack polish and software. And seeing how they're more or less identically priced, the easier and proven answer will, for most people and for quite a while, be the iPad.

Catacang
Oct 16, 2012, 07:20 PM
I have an iPad 2 and do not plan to buy a new tablet until late next year but one thing I can say: unlike most Android tablets currently on the market, this Surface tablet actually seems pretty cool, something that could have been launched by Apple.

The hardware design and the UI seems polished yet simple and clean.
I would buy this over any Android tablet.

Oohara
Oct 16, 2012, 07:23 PM
I think the Type/Touch covers will prove to be a joke for any serious typing and shouldn't even be counted in as a strength for the Surface. They look cool but probably offer way too little key travel and distance between the keys (none, on the Touch cover).

Just try out a few of the many keyboard covers for the iPad. They are all horrible aside from the Ultrathin Keyboard Cover from Logitech, which is on a completely different level than all the rest but still quite bad compared to almost any real laptop keyboard. And you can tell already from the pictures that Microsoft's Type cover will have far less key travel than the Logitech cover.

So anyone thinking that the Surface will be any more of a laptop replacement than the iPad is just fooling themselves, I think. As for the OS, I don't see anything in Windows RT that'd make me choose that over iOS. If anything, I'd go Android instead.

The Surface Pro might have been a threat to the iPad had it been a lot cheaper. As it stands now, I can't see Microsoft taking tablet market shares away from anyone but Google.

Edit: Oh, and in before "broken Surface kickstand"-gate.

smellysox8
Oct 16, 2012, 07:31 PM
Holding out for the Surface Pro

ActionableMango
Oct 16, 2012, 07:34 PM
MS has a horrifying record of failing with tablets, portables, ecosystems, and mobile OSes, even when they put the full force of their cash reserves and marketing power to bear.

Microsoft Kin, DOA
Microsoft Zune, dead
Microsoft "Plays for Sure", dead
Microsoft "Zune Music Pass", dead
Every Microsoft tablet ever, DOA
Microsoft Windows Mobile, ALIVE! And all 62 people who have it, love it.

I'd be afraid to be an early adopter of yet another failed MS platform.

1) Type cover (with trackpad)
2) Built-in kickstand
3) Ability to upload documents
4) Microsoft office
5) USB

Those are compelling reasons, if they work well. MS is keeping this thing under such tight wraps that there are no reviews. Press events have been hands-off. Anyone pre-ordering this is essentially buying blind and hoping for the best. For all you know, the Type Cover is unreliable, the kickstand breaks easily, uploading documents is tedious, Office is unintuitive or buggy, and the USB port is flawed.

Sure, all of those things could also work flawlessly and with incredible sophistication, but this is essentially my point... we don't know. Why the hell is MS hiding this thing? Get some review samples out to the press for crying out loud. Anyone preordering this thing is doing a blind buy on faith that a company with a track record of failure will get it right this time.

In the movie industry, it is not a coincidence that review screeners often don't go out ahead of time for movies that suck. It's because they want to sell as many tickets as they can before the bad reviews sink in. I can't help but think MS wants all your preorders before the reviews hit.

Now if all goes well, it's a great success, has great reviews, developers make apps, etc., I could see myself getting one. But it's going to take a year or two to build my trust.

waa1futs
Oct 16, 2012, 09:24 PM
MS is keeping this thing under such tight wraps that there are no reviews. Press events have been hands-off. Anyone pre-ordering this is essentially buying blind and hoping for the best. For all you know, the Type Cover is unreliable, the kickstand breaks easily, uploading documents is tedious, Office is unintuitive or buggy, and the USB port is flawed.

I never pre-order anything so I dont need any reviews from the media. Whenever it's convenient I'll go to the Microsoft store and test one out in person, then make my decision.

I don't get the same "OMG I'VE GOTTA HAVE IT THE VERY FIRST DAY IT COMES OUT!!!" fever that some people get.

ChrisTX
Oct 16, 2012, 09:44 PM
The Surface looks great, but my iPad 3 with with the Logitech solar keyboard folio is tops. The app selection can't be beat, Windows 8 or not!

Oppressed
Oct 16, 2012, 09:56 PM
The most compelling feature is the keyboard cover, and to be honest until more applications are made it is just $500 internet viewer. The iPad still works wonderfully.

sineplex
Oct 16, 2012, 10:09 PM
forget surfacePro. an ultrabook is probably cheaper and more powerful.

the keyboard on the RT is also an extra $100. that is $600 for the base model.

thelead
Oct 16, 2012, 10:34 PM
They crippled the rt version with the screen. I so badly wanted to get it until I saw the resolution. For the price, it should have been at least 1080p.

urkel
Oct 16, 2012, 10:54 PM
I wouldn't pick Surface over the iPad but I'm pretty tempted to pick Surface over the MacBook.

frozzbite
Oct 17, 2012, 01:23 AM
I like the fact that i can connect my iPhone to the Surface. Not useful, but i like that idea. And the fact that it has a fully functional USB port is really great!

It makes me look at my iPad and think about its shortcomings.

Either way, the iPad will always have the app store.

DingleButt
Oct 17, 2012, 01:44 AM
They crippled the rt version with the screen. I so badly wanted to get it until I saw the resolution. For the price, it should have been at least 1080p.

When you get a chance check it out in person. Reviewers have mentioned it really looks better than the retina on iPad even with the lower res. Ill reserve my judgment till I can see for real.

HowardSmith
Oct 17, 2012, 03:52 AM
The Pro will be in the ballpark of $1000. I don't think we're comparing that and the iPad.

I was not comparing it to the iPad. One could not as they are or will be in different classes. BUT, it is MY Holy Grail in what I am looking for for use in the field. From my point of view the business world STILL runs on MS Office.

Do not get me wrong as I love my iPad. I just want a little more freedom and being with Apple for a very long time, the one thing I do know is that Apple is always going to keep their products on a short leash. This will not bother many but it does me.

na1577
Oct 17, 2012, 05:18 AM
If I was going to spend $499 on a tablet, I would go for the Surface RT. Although the iPad has a more thriving app ecosystem right now, the Surface has the potential to be more capable in the long run (even at launch it's very compelling--Office!)

But since I don't intend to spend that much money on a tablet, I've got my money saved for the iPad mini. :p

urkel
Oct 17, 2012, 06:28 AM
1) Type cover (with trackpad)
The type cover is a huge deal, but I'm glad you mentioned the trackpad because that is exactly what puts Microsofts design over the top.

Apple users tend to be so quick to crap on anything that isnt offered in the Apple ecosystem and when talking about iPad/MacBook efficiency then one of those overlooked items is the OPTION for multiple input devices. Its not Touchscreen OR Trackpad, its Touchscreen AND Trackpad. Whenever I try making business level spreadsheets with Numbers.app or typing long form with Pages.app then the lack of a trackpad is crippling and is something no add-on iPad keyboard can deliver.

Some tasks are made for touch and some are best with a trackpad so having both is a huge benefit for end users.

ChristianJapan
Oct 17, 2012, 06:36 AM
Right now I stay within Apple Eco System. Too much spend to jump ship. Too many apps i got used to. But I'm not rejecting the idea to get a Surface in addition.
If MS make the integration with Win8/RT, Windows Server and enterprise environment right they will have a good chance to get some fair share from iPad.

racer1441
Oct 17, 2012, 07:06 AM
We are in a weird world. I don't think the Surface is going to be a knock out hit, but I am glad it's there, because it is somewhat original. I give Microsoft alot of credit for going ad doing their thing, and not stealing from iOS like the scum bag android developers.

tibere86
Oct 17, 2012, 02:03 PM
The only thing that sways me towards the Surface is ability to USB charge gadgets. I really hope Apple brings this functionality to the iPad.

314631
Oct 17, 2012, 02:26 PM
I'm really excited by Surface. I've pre-ordered one to play with and if it's any good I'll keep it. Windows 8 definitely looks to be a better touch OS than for traditional desktops and laptop input devices.

iPad is now the safe, dependable choice for a lot of people with an established ecosystem. I'll still be using iOS extensively, but I do like to experiment and have fun with new technologies.

Night Spring
Oct 17, 2012, 02:29 PM
I'm really excited by Surface. I've pre-ordered one to play with and if it's any good I'll keep it.

I considered pre-ordering, but found that there is no refund if I decide not to keep it. Did you manage to place a pre-order with a guaranteed refund, or do you plan to sell it if you decide not to keep it?

314631
Oct 17, 2012, 02:36 PM
I considered pre-ordering, but found that there is no refund if I decide not to keep it. Did you manage to place a pre-order with a guaranteed refund, or do you plan to sell it if you decide not to keep it?

MicrosoftStore.com offers a 14 day return policy with full refund where I'm buying.

thelead
Oct 17, 2012, 02:36 PM
When you get a chance check it out in person. Reviewers have mentioned it really looks better than the retina on iPad even with the lower res. Ill reserve my judgment till I can see for real.

I will definitely check it out but I really doubt it will look anywhere near as good as the retina iPad display let alone better.

waa1futs
Oct 17, 2012, 02:38 PM
I considered pre-ordering, but found that there is no refund if I decide not to keep it. Did you manage to place a pre-order with a guaranteed refund, or do you plan to sell it if you decide not to keep it?

The Surface, just like all new electronic products sold here in the U.S., will definitely have at least a 14 day return period.

Night Spring
Oct 17, 2012, 02:55 PM
The Surface, just like all new electronic products sold here in the U.S., will definitely have at least a 14 day return period.

MicrosoftStore.com offers a 14 day return policy with full refund where I'm buying.

Weird. Can't find the page now that I landed on yesterday that said no refunds. :confused:

Well, that's good news, maybe I'll preorder after all. Or maybe I'll get it from a local Microsoft store? The refund/return policy page I'm looking at now says returns and exchanges have to be made at the store I buy it at, so if I buy online, I have to return online. This is sure easier with Apple, where I can buy online but return to an Apple store!