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Evoken
Oct 22, 2012, 05:10 PM
As someone who is planning to buy a Nexus 7 (or 10 depending on what Google presents in their upcoming event), I am wondering if when I get the tablet I wil end up using smartphone apps scaled to fit my tablet for the most part as opposed to apps that are made and optimized for tablets.

I keep hearing this complain about how Android lacks when it comes to tablet optimized apps and how iOS has the clear advantage here. So, how are things really? Is there a serious lack of tablet ready apps or do most of the common apps already have a tablet version?

What has been your experience as Android tablet user?



cynics
Oct 22, 2012, 05:56 PM
I use an Android tablet like a computer. For example I use the web browser for forums instead of tapatalk and for Facebook. The rest of my apps scale to look very good (games) and there are tablet versions for the rest of my stuff like my podcast app.

ReallyBigFeet
Oct 22, 2012, 05:59 PM
Impossible to answer without you narrowing down the category.

For example, if category is note-taking via text input, then something like Evernote is available. If music composition is your thing, it's going to hard to top GarageBand on the iPad.

So the answer could be quite different depending on your use cases.

viskon
Oct 22, 2012, 06:18 PM
All apps scale to the tablet size without any problem. But generally speaking, most apps do not take advantage of the larger screen. They are stretched out versions of the phone apps.

LOLZpersonok
Oct 22, 2012, 06:32 PM
I couldn't say. I have a really awful Android tablet I purchased for $100...It's a no-name brand thing and the hardware it has really limits Android's capabilities. But the Apps that I do have don't seem very optimized though.

Sensamic
Oct 22, 2012, 06:38 PM
Yes. Yes. Yes.

That's why I haven't bought an android tablet yet, even though the nexus 7 is so cheap.

blackhand1001
Oct 22, 2012, 06:52 PM
All the apps I use work great on tablets and the majority of the apps worth downloading on phones have tablet layouts. Things work pretty well on ones that don't, much better than the ipad phone app scaling. Games like angry birds, cut the rope, etc don't need seperate tablet apps as android renders them at the devices native resolution automatically so those are automatically tablet ready. No scaling is done. Just get the nexus 7. I am extremely happy with mine. It would still be happy even if I paid 350 or 400. Its that good.

cynics
Oct 22, 2012, 07:02 PM
OP: Do you have any app in particular you want a screen shot of? I'm using a 10.1" Xoom so which was made for landscape. I *should* be having the worse experience....

Evoken
Oct 22, 2012, 07:13 PM
OP: Do you have any app in particular you want a screen shot of? I'm using a 10.1" Xoom so which was made for landscape. I *should* be having the worse experience....

Ok here are the apps I use the most:

Gmail, Google+, Chrome, Google Talk, Feedly, Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Evernote, Google Calendar, Google Drive, YouTube, Goole Play Music, WhatApp, Amazon, IMDB, Netflix, SimpleMind Free.

I am sure games like Final Fantasy III, The Bard's Tale and emulators for PSX, SNES and NES should scale nicely. The apps I listed above would be nice if they they have a tablet version. I imagine that those made by Google should have their tablet version out.

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Impossible to answer without you narrowing down the category.

For example, if category is note-taking via text input, then something like Evernote is available. If music composition is your thing, it's going to hard to top GarageBand on the iPad.

So the answer could be quite different depending on your use cases.

Fair enough, checkout the list I made above.

cynics
Oct 22, 2012, 07:38 PM
Ok here are the apps I use the most:

Gmail, Google+, Chrome, Google Talk, Feedly, Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Evernote, Google Calendar, Google Drive, YouTube, Goole Play Music, WhatApp, Amazon, IMDB, Netflix, SimpleMind Free.

I am sure games like Final Fantasy III, The Bard's Tale and emulators for PSX, SNES and NES should scale nicely. The apps I listed above would be nice if they they have a tablet version. I imagine that those made by Google should have their tablet version out.

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Fair enough, checkout the list I made above.

Some of those have sensitive data but here are some.

YouTube
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/3a5a2uvy.jpg

Chrome
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/7epesehy.jpg

Calendar (had to make it look bad due to personal info on a right side info bar)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/ygu5u6uj.jpg

Netflix
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/ure8y7yj.jpg

HBO Go
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/e7umypud.jpg

Play Music

Featured
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/ty2ujegu.jpg

Top album (you can obviously change genre etc, I don't use it)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/jazu7uru.jpg

Google maps
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/6ahyruta.jpg

Beyondpod
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/pu7yvu9u.jpg

Dead Trigger (just like with iDevices the better the device the better the graphics)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/y4ure5es.jpg

The only app I have that does this

Speedtest
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/aqyhepem.jpg

Doesn't bother me with this app though

Lara F
Oct 22, 2012, 07:42 PM
The Nexus 7 is small enough that I honestly don't find tablet optimization an issue (and I have used the iPad as well). I really only use landscape mode for videos and games because otherwise the vertical height is too little, and the apps have all scaled nicely IMO.

A 10 inch tab I'd probably be more hesitant about. But the 7 is fine.

Dr McKay
Oct 22, 2012, 08:03 PM
Youtube

How did you get YouTube to go like that? I'm on my Nexus 7 and it only ever looks like this.

b166er
Oct 22, 2012, 08:10 PM
Even the Nexus 7 doesn't have many apps optimized for it. No amazon app for the nexus, seriously?!

I think the nexus 7 is a great tablet for a great price, but a lot of developers aren't really concerned about optimization since 7 inches isn't all that much bigger than monstrous 5 inch phablets they are already developing for.

That being said I still enjoy my nexus and I have found most apps I've wanted to be within my own tolerable limits.

zbarvian
Oct 22, 2012, 08:17 PM
Some of those have sensitive data but here are some.

YouTube
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/3a5a2uvy.jpg)

Chrome
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/7epesehy.jpg)

Calendar (had to make it look bad due to personal info on a right side info bar)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/ygu5u6uj.jpg)

Netflix
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/ure8y7yj.jpg)

HBO Go
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/e7umypud.jpg)

Play Music

Featured
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/ty2ujegu.jpg)

Top album (you can obviously change genre etc, I don't use it)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/jazu7uru.jpg)

Google maps
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/6ahyruta.jpg)

Beyondpod
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/pu7yvu9u.jpg)

Dead Trigger (just like with iDevices the better the device the better the graphics)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/y4ure5es.jpg)

The only app I have that does this

Speedtest
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/23/aqyhepem.jpg)

Doesn't bother me with this app though

Half of those are Google apps...

Dr McKay
Oct 22, 2012, 08:20 PM
Half of those are Google apps...

They're also the apps that OP asked to see.

cynics
Oct 22, 2012, 08:26 PM
How did you get YouTube to go like that? I'm on my Nexus 7 and it only ever looks like this.

What happens when you touch YouTube at the top to go back. Then put it in landscape? More then likely a 7" tab won't do it because even on a 10" those video icons are very small, probably too small on a 7" tab...

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Half of those are Google apps...

And I didnt even do all the Google apps he asked for like Gmail , Google+, Google Talk and Google Drive....

xuselppa
Oct 22, 2012, 08:29 PM
Android has proper scaling built into the code and it works wonderfully, unlike with say, the iPhone 5 that can't scale without the code being rewritten for the app, hence the black or grey bars at the top and bottom/sides of the screen. Or say using the iPad and having to click 2x, which then pixelates the crap out of the app.

Android has to have scaling built in because it is run on so many different screen sizes. Besides, if an app hasn't been designed for your specific tablet or phone, the Play Store will tell you and you won't be able to download it (unless you go out of your way and sideload the apk file).

Anyone that says Android doesn't scale properly aren't downloading official apps or are using some brown box, no name brand tablet with a crappy display running at 800x480. I have used Samsung Tab's and HP Touchpad's, along with a 7" Android tablet (Nexus7), all running ICS or JB and official apps, and have never had the scaling issues I had with the iPad.

xuselppa
Oct 22, 2012, 08:39 PM
What happens when you touch YouTube at the top to go back. Then put it in landscape? More then likely a 7" tab won't do it because even on a 10" those video icons are very small, probably too small on a 7" tab...

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And I didnt even do all the Google apps he asked for like Gmail , Google+, Google Talk and Google Drive....

That YouTube app looks like that on certain devices (I know the Samsung Tab 8.9 and 10.1 look like that).

Evoken
Oct 22, 2012, 09:49 PM
Some of those have sensitive data but here are some.

...

Thanks for all the screenshots! I understand that some of the apps I listed have sensitive data. The Google apps look nice, as expected. I think it is safe to assume that all of their apps have tablet ready versions. Evernote as was mentioned also has a tablet version, which is nice as I use that app often too. I'll have to look up if feedly is optimized for tablets.

Thanks again for the screens!

Here are two more I found on another article:

Gmail
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Screenshot_2012-10-08-16-30-36-640x400.png

Twitter
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Screenshot_2012-10-08-16-32-35-640x400.png

Gmail looks nice, having a panel on the left, but Twitter is just scaled and doesn't uses the bigger screen efficiently. Both images are from this article:

Google to Android devs: make nicer tablet apps, pretty please? (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/google-to-android-devs-make-nicer-tablet-apps-pretty-please/)

Good read.

blackhand1001
Oct 22, 2012, 10:08 PM
Ok here are the apps I use the most:

Gmail, Google+, Chrome, Google Talk, Feedly, Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Evernote, Google Calendar, Google Drive, YouTube, Goole Play Music, WhatApp, Amazon, IMDB, Netflix, SimpleMind Free.

I am sure games like Final Fantasy III, The Bard's Tale and emulators for PSX, SNES and NES should scale nicely. The apps I listed above would be nice if they they have a tablet version. I imagine that those made by Google should have their tablet version out.

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Fair enough, checkout the list I made above.

All the games will work perfectly as they pretty much never have scaling issues on android (trust me, I even messed with sdk emulator to emulate a device with very strange resolutions like 8x2 ratios and I couldn't break the games. Also i think just about everyone of those apps you listed in your first list also has a tablet layout. You should be pretty good.

onthecouchagain
Oct 22, 2012, 10:14 PM
All these screens make me want a Nexus 7. :(

Apollo 13
Oct 22, 2012, 10:43 PM
I had a android tablet before handing it to my GF. It was a Asus Transformer Prime. A lot of the apps looked like crap because they weren't optimized for tablet. It was so irrating because I bought the ipad 3 the same day I got the Transformer and was comparing apps. I was actually going to keep the Transformer for myself and let my daughter and GF use the ipad, but it changed when I compared the apps. If getting a android tablet go with the Nexus 7 since phone apps won't look bad.

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How did you get YouTube to go like that? I'm on my Nexus 7 and it only ever looks like this.

that's because you're using the phone app.

blackhand1001
Oct 22, 2012, 10:45 PM
All these screens make me want a Nexus 7. :(

SO buy one. Rumor is the 16gb will drop to 199 and a 32gb will take its place at 249.

onthecouchagain
Oct 22, 2012, 10:58 PM
SO buy one. Rumor is the 16gb will drop to 199 and a 32gb will take its place at 249.

I don't know if I can justify such an interstitial device between my Galaxy Nexus, my iPad 3 and my MBA 13"...

Just can't justify it, even though I want it. I may not be able to resist if there's a really good bargain this black Friday or holiday season...

xuselppa
Oct 22, 2012, 11:08 PM
Thanks for all the screenshots! I understand that some of the apps I listed have sensitive data. The Google apps look nice, as expected. I think it is safe to assume that all of their apps have tablet ready versions. Evernote as was mentioned also has a tablet version, which is nice as I use that app often too. I'll have to look up if feedly is optimized for tablets.

Thanks again for the screens!

Here are two more I found on another article:

Gmail
Image (http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Screenshot_2012-10-08-16-30-36-640x400.png)

Twitter
Image (http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Screenshot_2012-10-08-16-32-35-640x400.png)

Gmail looks nice, having a panel on the left, but Twitter is just scaled and doesn't uses the bigger screen efficiently. Both images are from this article:

Google to Android devs: make nicer tablet apps, pretty please? (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/google-to-android-devs-make-nicer-tablet-apps-pretty-please/)

Good read.

Twitter is not that great compared to Tweetcaster in my opinion. This is Tweetcaster on my Nex7:

xuselppa
Oct 22, 2012, 11:20 PM
All these screens make me want a Nexus 7. :(

It is an awesome little tablet. The perfect size and all Nexus devices now have Wugs toolkit via Windows that can restore, root, unlock, lock, unroot, flash roms in literally one click. The program does everything for you. All Nexus devices can use this program.
Additionally, having the same type of sleep and wake function with Nexus 7 cases as the iPad has (close the lid and the Nex7 goes to sleep, open it and it auto wakes) is a bonus.

Getting Flash sideloaded and functioning properly with Jelly Bean has been the only downside. By the way, while there is no external SD card slot, you can connect an external micro USB drive via an OTG cable and access an additional 64gb of data (or whatever size the drive is), but you will have a tiny plug hanging off the micro USB port. Still, if you want a bunch of movies, documents, music or pics and can't afford to waste the space on the internal SD card, this is a great option.

canman4PM
Oct 22, 2012, 11:36 PM
I vastly prefer my iPad to a Galaxy Tab7 I got from Telus for signing up for cable, internet and phone. The G-Tab was free, and worth every penny. (That's sarcasm)

Many of the apps available to both systems are generally to vastly superior on the iPad. However, most of the Google apps are the exception - big surprise, it IS their platform, after all. As most of the apps you care about are Google-made apps AND the fact that you already run an Android phone, an Android Tab seems the smart choice. For me, as I have had iPhones for 4 years and have over 150 iOS apps, an iPad makes much more sense. I don't have to learn anything new, and all my apps are transferable and many have dedicated Pad versions with no upscaling.

blackhand1001
Oct 23, 2012, 07:04 AM
I vastly prefer my iPad to a Galaxy Tab7 I got from Telus for signing up for cable, internet and phone. The G-Tab was free, and worth every penny. (That's sarcasm)

Many of the apps available to both systems are generally to vastly superior on the iPad. However, most of the Google apps are the exception - big surprise, it IS their platform, after all. As most of the apps you care about are Google-made apps AND the fact that you already run an Android phone, an Android Tab seems the smart choice. For me, as I have had iPhones for 4 years and have over 150 iOS apps, an iPad makes much more sense. I don't have to learn anything new, and all my apps are transferable and many have dedicated Pad versions with no upscaling.

What generation galaxy tab are we talking about here. Do you mean the first generation one on gingerbread?

canman4PM
Oct 23, 2012, 11:31 AM
What generation galaxy tab are we talking about here. Do you mean the first generation one on gingerbread?

Dunno. I hardly use it - mostly web browsing when I'm conserving power on the iPad. The Samsung is only 6 months old. My iPad is over 2 years old.

daveathall
Oct 23, 2012, 11:44 AM
All these screens make me want a Nexus 7. :(

I was just thinking the same thing.:)

zbarvian
Oct 23, 2012, 01:26 PM
The iPad Mini presentation really emphasized the lack of tablet optimized apps on Android.

Evoken
Oct 23, 2012, 01:31 PM
Interesting that Apple brought this point up in their keynote today while comparing the iPad mini to an Android tablet (Nexus 7). They showed several apps on both, with the iPad mini having a tablet optimized version while the Android tablet just being the phone version scaled to size.

Thankfully nearly all the apps I use have tablet optimized versions so it doesn't affects me. That said Android developers definitely need to improve things when it comes to tablet ready apps.

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As most of the apps you care about are Google-made apps AND the fact that you already run an Android phone, an Android Tab seems the smart choice.

Yeah, most apps I use are from Google and they have the tablet versions, which is nice. I was planning to go with an Android phone/tablet combo from the start, I too think it is the smart choice to have the same platform on both mobile devices.

onthecouchagain
Oct 23, 2012, 01:33 PM
$329. Ouch.

I so wanted the 13" Retina MBP but no discrete graphics and 128GB SSD starting for $1699 is just too much.

The iMac, though. That's a stunner. +1 for Apple. Still love them on the Mac side of things.

The most amazing thing, however was: Everything that was leaked was confirmed. Leaks are getting better and better at this.

Overall, a heck of a good keynote, if you ask me. Infinitely better than the iPhone 5 one.

zbarvian
Oct 23, 2012, 01:47 PM
$329. Ouch.

I so wanted the 13" Retina MBP but no discrete graphics and 128GB SSD starting for $1699 is just too much.

The iMac, though. That's a stunner. +1 for Apple. Still love them on the Mac side of things.

The most amazing thing, however was: Everything that was leaked was confirmed. Leaks are getting better and better at this.

Overall, a heck of a good keynote, if you ask me. Infinitely better than the iPhone 5 one.

Yeah the Mini needed to be $249. The extra $50 over competitors would be justified with the premium quality and ecosystem, but $329 is way too high I feel. Likewise with the 13" rMBP. They have decided to favor incredible engineering over bringing prices down. They really don't make a cheap, lower-quality product. I guess that can be considered good.

onthecouchagain
Oct 23, 2012, 01:53 PM
Yeah the Mini needed to be $249. The extra $50 over competitors would be justified with the premium quality and ecosystem, but $329 is way too high I feel. Likewise with the 13" rMBP. They have decided to favor incredible engineering over bringing prices down. They really don't make a cheap, lower-quality product. I guess that can be considered good.

Or even if the Mini was $269 or something, would have annihilated the 7" market. I'm betting Google gave such a huge sigh of relief.

The bigger deal breaker for me with the 13" Retina is the 128 GB. The graphics card is a shame, but the 128GB for $1700 is just too much of a premium.

Still, a helluva good keynote. The iPad Mini still looks good and will undoubtedly sell like hotcakes. I don't know if the 13" Retina will do as well as the 15". That price is just a killer. And the iMac... forgetaboutit--I'm in love with it. Really wanted to replace my MBA though... :\

EDIT: Strangely, Apple stock is dropping quite a bit.

daveathall
Oct 23, 2012, 02:06 PM
I must admit that I quite like the iPad mini, I still have an original iPad so this would be sort of a step up, rumour of UK price is a hefty 260, ouch, which is about 60 quid dearer than a Nexus 7. I will be waiting to see what Google offers first before making my final decision.

ReallyBigFeet
Oct 23, 2012, 02:27 PM
EDIT: Strangely, Apple stock is dropping quite a bit.

Probably everyone complaining about Tim Cook's presentation voice. I ended up muting him and just watching the show halfway through.

Doggman
Oct 23, 2012, 02:33 PM
Didn't read the whole thread but this is my 2 cents on Android apps.

I've found a couple I like so far but I've found ALOT that are almost un-useable... This is very different than the App Store for Apple because almost everything you get off the App Store works decently.

However after changing the keyboard to Android's keyboard instead of ASUS's keyboard on my tablet and downloading Dolphin Browser HD I am a very happy camper. I can do some serious internetting on that thing and its quite fun. I also spend alot of my time on the YouTube app which is superb and I like the interface of it better than the full desktop version www.youtube.com. Still looking for a decent email app that I can hookup my school email address too.. All have failed so I just decided to only have my gmail on it which the gmail app is very nice. Facebook app is aight but not great. Overall I'm very happy with my ASUS TF700 tho and Jelly Bean is nice too.

zbarvian
Oct 23, 2012, 02:35 PM
Probably everyone complaining about Tim Cook's presentation voice. I ended up muting him and just watching the show halfway through.

God this is so true. He sounds like a turtle version of Bane.

Stuntman06
Oct 23, 2012, 03:06 PM
Most of the apps work fine on my tablet. There are a few that I have a big issue with.

Android tablets (at least the 10" versions) are supposed to be held in landscape orientation by default. Look at the logo on these tablets and in order to view them in the proper orientation, you have to hold the tablet in landscape orientation. The ASUS Transformer tablets have a keyboard dock and you dock your tablet in landscape orientation.

I have a few apps, The Weather Network, Score Mobile and my bank's app, that has no landscape mode. When I launch them they are sideways. I use a Transformer with a keyboard dock, so it is awkward to turn it sideways. If I do, I cannot properly use the keyboard. It is annoying when I want to use these apps and everything is sideways on them.

Doggman
Oct 23, 2012, 03:18 PM
Most of the apps work fine on my tablet. There are a few that I have a big issue with.

Android tablets (at least the 10" versions) are supposed to be held in landscape orientation by default. Look at the logo on these tablets and in order to view them in the proper orientation, you have to hold the tablet in landscape orientation. The ASUS Transformer tablets have a keyboard dock and you dock your tablet in landscape orientation.

I have a few apps, The Weather Network, Score Mobile and my bank's app, that has no landscape mode. When I launch them they are sideways. I use a Transformer with a keyboard dock, so it is awkward to turn it sideways. If I do, I cannot properly use the keyboard. It is annoying when I want to use these apps and everything is sideways on them.

Completely agree. There should be an option to force an app into landscape orientation... CarBuzz has this issue.

Apollo 13
Oct 23, 2012, 04:46 PM
Here you go fellas this will end all the talk by showing proof with compaison pics
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,3253,l=295476&a=295476&po=1,00.asp?p=n

onthecouchagain
Oct 23, 2012, 04:55 PM
Probably everyone complaining about Tim Cook's presentation voice. I ended up muting him and just watching the show halfway through.

Yeah, it sounds like he puts too much emphasis on emphasized words. "It's JAW DROPPING!"

Feels a bit disingenuous, like he's trying too hard.

Evoken
Oct 23, 2012, 05:41 PM
Here you go fellas this will end all the talk by showing proof with compaison pics
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,3253,l=295476&a=295476&po=1,00.asp?p=n

Yeah, iOS definitely has the advantage when it comes to tablet optimized apps. I really hope that things start changing on Android and that we begin to see more developers optimizing their apps for tablets.

cynics
Oct 23, 2012, 05:46 PM
I didn't watch the iPad mini thing but I'm surprised its supposed to be so much better then the nexus 7. Android does a great job scaling for different screen sizes. If the app doesn't then you can forcefully do it.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/4uty9ahe.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/a7ada2a2.jpg

Sure it looks bad but I really can't think of a single app that doesn't work just fine for me. Like speed test, why do I really need that to be full screen? Games all scale perfectly and look great. Other apps scale so well you'd think it was a tablet version. This is just a random app called wifi analyzer (cool free app for finding the best channel to put your router on if you are in a busy wifi area).

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/bugymu6y.jpg

This is Astro File Manager which is a phone app. (Apple folder is from syncing my iPhones photos to Android tablet).

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/4ehata8y.jpg

I truly don't have an issue with apps on a 10.1 tablet. I think a 7" would even better.

Doggman
Oct 23, 2012, 05:50 PM
Here you go fellas this will end all the talk by showing proof with compaison pics
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,3253,l=295476&a=295476&po=1,00.asp?p=n

Wow this about sums it up... Notice YouTube is not on there and neither is Dolphin Browser vs Safari :D those are my favorite Apps

zbarvian
Oct 23, 2012, 06:01 PM
Yeah, iOS definitely has the advantage when it comes to tablet optimized apps. I really hope that things start changing on Android and that we begin to see more developers optimizing their apps for tablets.

Android app developers already have their hands full with trying to support the thousands of different Android devices out there. I don't think they can be bothered with optimizing their apps for the small and insecure Android tablet market. Especially given the ease and profitability of making good-looking iOS apps.

This will be a drawback of Android tablets (and smartphones to a lesser extent) for the foreseeable future.

cynics
Oct 23, 2012, 06:11 PM
Here you go fellas this will end all the talk by showing proof with compaison pics
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,3253,l=295476&a=295476&po=1,00.asp?p=n

I can agree with a lot of those examples. But why would you use them!?!?

When you get on a laptop or PC how do you go to Facebook, twitter, CNN, etc etc? You open the browser and go to the web page....

Here is what my Facebook looks like. Notice the tabs at the top, I have my tapatalk open there too...lol

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/syza3u4u.jpg

Why use some half cocked app (both iOS and Android) when you can get the real deal? I only have use for mobile apps on a small screen device (phone)....

Apollo 13
Oct 23, 2012, 08:46 PM
I can agree with a lot of those examples. But why would you use them!?!?

When you get on a laptop or PC how do you go to Facebook, twitter, CNN, etc etc? You open the browser and go to the web page....

Here is what my Facebook looks like. Notice the tabs at the top, I have my tapatalk open there too...lol

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/syza3u4u.jpg)

Why use some half cocked app (both iOS and Android) when you can get the real deal? I only have use for mobile apps on a small screen device (phone)....

because clicking on a icon is more faster and easy then going to your browser and logging in.

cynics
Oct 23, 2012, 09:11 PM
because clicking on a icon is more faster and easy then going to your browser and logging in.

Nope, there are multiple ways. Put it a bookmark widget, or if you don't like widgets just use a shortcut to the web page. You can stay logged in just like the app if you want too.

I put a couple thing on a blank home screen for example.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/2y6a4y3y.jpg

Much better then the apps for any OS esp. since I can tie it too the browser of my choice.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/nypyqa6y.jpg

onthecouchagain
Oct 23, 2012, 11:29 PM
Yeah, I love Chrome bookmark widgets on my GN. Just tap and go from the home screen.

And to me, this is the best use of widgets. Simply granting quicker and more direct access to things (be it settings ala toggles or events on calendar widgets or favorite websites with the bookmark widgets).

ChazUK
Oct 24, 2012, 03:21 AM
because clicking on a icon is more faster and easy then going to your browser and logging in.

Are you unfamiliar with Android that much that you didn't know this can be accomplished via widgets or bookmarks on the home screen (as mentioned above)?

Apollo 13
Oct 24, 2012, 03:48 AM
Are you unfamiliar with Android that much that you didn't know this can be accomplished via widgets or bookmarks on the home screen (as mentioned above)?

no because I actually use android (ASUS Transformer Prime). The point is he said web browser and I don't use the bookmark widget or many widgets at all since they kill my battery. I rather click on the apps since they are sitting right there. Also a lot of these sites make apps that are more user friendly then the websites. Hell If I'm going to use the web browser I minds well just hop on my PC and get rid of my tablets.

paulsalter
Oct 24, 2012, 03:57 AM
I dont use a great deal of apps, so not noticed this too much, although the apps I do have that are not tablet optimised are annoying

Does anyone know what percentage of apps in each store have a tablet version?

Oletros
Oct 24, 2012, 04:37 AM
I don't use the bookmark widget or many widgets at all since they kill my battery.

Can you tell me how a bookmark widget can kill battery?

ChazUK
Oct 24, 2012, 04:55 AM
no because I actually use android (ASUS Transformer Prime). The point is he said web browser and I don't use the bookmark widget or many widgets at all since they kill my battery. I rather click on the apps since they are sitting right there. Also a lot of these sites make apps that are more user friendly then the websites. Hell If I'm going to use the web browser I minds well just hop on my PC and get rid of my tablets.

Why aren't my widgets killing my battery?
I have:
Calendar, power widget, TuneIn Radio, Exchange email, Gmail, twitter, GReader and Google+ on my home screens and no adverse effects on my battery.

Twitter, you Facebook, Google+, Gmail etc all synchronise in the background regardless if you have a widget or not (unless you disable sync for each app).

Apollo 13
Oct 24, 2012, 05:16 AM
Can you tell me how a bookmark widget can kill battery?

yeah the bookmark widget won't kill the battery but I prefer to have only the weather and photo widget on my tablet and the rest icons. I had twitter and facebook widgets and it felt like when I had them on the screen my battery died faster. The whole thread is going off point..and going towards freaking widgets...WTF.

cynics
Oct 24, 2012, 06:50 AM
The bookmark widgets are under widget selection but they are just icons. Battery life isn't really a concern for any tablet regardless since they all pack massive battery. I agree we are way off topic here.

My original point was that I wouldn't use an app that is based off a web page anytime I have access to a full screen. I like apps on my iPhone because they are designed to utilize the screen size.

Hastings101
Oct 24, 2012, 09:17 AM
As a Nexus 7 owner I would have to say no, it's not lacking in tablet-optimized apps. It doesn't have as many as the iPad though and now that there's an iPad Mini you might as well skip the Nexus 7 if all you're interested in is apps. If you're interested in mostly web browsing like I am I'd say the Nexus 7 is still the better purchase.

Doggman
Oct 24, 2012, 12:26 PM
I can agree with a lot of those examples. But why would you use them!?!?

When you get on a laptop or PC how do you go to Facebook, twitter, CNN, etc etc? You open the browser and go to the web page....

Here is what my Facebook looks like. Notice the tabs at the top, I have my tapatalk open there too...lol

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/syza3u4u.jpg)

Why use some half cocked app (both iOS and Android) when you can get the real deal? I only have use for mobile apps on a small screen device (phone)....

This is genius.. I ignorantly never thought to do that. Which browser do you use primarily?

Stuntman06
Oct 24, 2012, 01:12 PM
no because I actually use android (ASUS Transformer Prime). The point is he said web browser and I don't use the bookmark widget or many widgets at all since they kill my battery. I rather click on the apps since they are sitting right there. Also a lot of these sites make apps that are more user friendly then the websites. Hell If I'm going to use the web browser I minds well just hop on my PC and get rid of my tablets.

yeah the bookmark widget won't kill the battery but I prefer to have only the weather and photo widget on my tablet and the rest icons. I had twitter and facebook widgets and it felt like when I had them on the screen my battery died faster. The whole thread is going off point..and going towards freaking widgets...WTF.

You can just use Bookmark shortcuts to the mobile site. They are just a single icon that takes the same amount of space as an app icon and it will not cause any battery drain.

Facebook and Twitter are amongst the crappiest apps and widgets ever. Developers should look at them and not make any apps or widgets like them. They can get away with making the crappiest apps and widgets because everyone pretty have to use them. Some people hate it so much that they use the mobile web site instead of the app.

There are actually better apps and widgets for accessing Twitter. I use Seesmic and Android Pro Widgets. With Facebook, you're hooped because FB purposely screws all third party developers by limiting what those apps can see. Friendcaster Pro is so much better than Facebook, but FB purposely cripples it by not allowing FCP to display all posts from all of my friends. I was wondering why I haven't heard from a few friends before I realised that FB blocks some people from any third party FB app.

cynics
Oct 24, 2012, 01:27 PM
This is genius.. I ignorantly never thought to do that. Which browser do you use primarily?

They all have their pros and cons. ICS Browser+ is good all around and fast but requires ICS. Chrome is nice for syncing bookmarks and tabs. Dolphin is nice because you can lock the user agent to desktop. Some like Opera and Maxathon for assorted reasons but i never cared for them. I just use Chrome usually and I'm trying my best to stay away from Flash so it's not a shock when it can not be side loaded or just doesn't work.

Technarchy
Oct 25, 2012, 04:19 AM
I can agree with a lot of those examples. But why would you use them!?!?

When you get on a laptop or PC how do you go to Facebook, twitter, CNN, etc etc? You open the browser and go to the web page....

Here is what my Facebook looks like. Notice the tabs at the top, I have my tapatalk open there too...lol

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/syza3u4u.jpg)

Why use some half cocked app (both iOS and Android) when you can get the real deal? I only have use for mobile apps on a small screen device (phone)....

App is better faster and touch optimized and ad free usually.

I use Flipboard for 90% of my tech and world news. I barely see websites anymore because the experience sucks compared to Flipboard. Plus aggregate news saves me heaps of time over browsing 15+ different websites daily.

Stuntman06
Oct 25, 2012, 01:15 PM
App is better faster and touch optimized and ad free usually.

I use Flipboard for 90% of my tech and world news. I barely see websites anymore because the experience sucks compared to Flipboard. Plus aggregate news saves me heaps of time over browsing 15+ different websites daily.

I generally use Pulse to view many web sites. I do use the browser for forums such as this.

Evoken
Oct 25, 2012, 07:54 PM
I generally use Pulse to view many web sites. I do use the browser for forums such as this.

I use feedly which is similar to Pulse. I never visit websites for checking out and reading news anymore. I link feedly to my Google Reader account and consume all my tech and web design news there in a very attractive and straightforward interface.

dmelgar
Oct 25, 2012, 08:27 PM
As an android developer I can make several comments.
- it is hard to think about how to change the UI for a tablet vs a phone. The variety of screen sizes, aspect ratios and resolutions makes it hard. In practice you have to pick a couple of sizes and design for that. It would be easier if there were a common size or overwhelmingly popular device.
- android apps are hard to sell. Advertising is the best route. Trying to sell an app to someone who only bought an android tablet because it was the cheapest thing around is not a big incentive unless the revenue comes from advertising.
- on a tablet many websites look good enough. It's tough to support multiple platforms. One site covers them all.

cynics
Oct 25, 2012, 08:38 PM
As an android developer I can make several comments.
- it is hard to think about how to change the UI for a tablet vs a phone. The variety of screen sizes, aspect ratios and resolutions makes it hard. In practice you have to pick a couple of sizes and design for that. It would be easier if there were a common size or overwhelmingly popular device.
- android apps are hard to sell. Advertising is the best route. Trying to sell an app to someone who only bought an android tablet because it was the cheapest thing around is not a big incentive unless the revenue comes from advertising.
- on a tablet many websites look good enough. It's tough to support multiple platforms. One site covers them all.

Uhm. Aside from the nexus 7 aren't all Android tablets 10.1" at a 16:10 aspect ratio?

Apollo 13
Oct 25, 2012, 10:06 PM
Uhm. Aside from the nexus 7 aren't all Android tablets 10.1" at a 16:10 aspect ratio?

nope there's a ton of 7 and even 8 inch tablets for android on the market.

cynics
Oct 25, 2012, 10:15 PM
nope there's a ton of 7 and even 8 inch tablets for android on the market.

But if you were going to write an app for a common size write it for 7 and/or 10.1" and let android do the rest. It's not like an iOS device it will size itself for the display.

Stuntman06
Oct 26, 2012, 03:26 PM
As an android developer I can make several comments.
- it is hard to think about how to change the UI for a tablet vs a phone. The variety of screen sizes, aspect ratios and resolutions makes it hard. In practice you have to pick a couple of sizes and design for that. It would be easier if there were a common size or overwhelmingly popular device.
- android apps are hard to sell. Advertising is the best route. Trying to sell an app to someone who only bought an android tablet because it was the cheapest thing around is not a big incentive unless the revenue comes from advertising.
- on a tablet many websites look good enough. It's tough to support multiple platforms. One site covers them all.

I emailed the developer of an app about the fact that it doesn't rotate to landscape. It is a banking app. The response I got was that it was not recommended for tablets and I should use the mobile app instead. I was a bit miffed at the response since they clearly allowed me to install the app on my tablet, but then they recommend that I not use it.

I would just like your opinion about the difficulty (or ease) of making something like a banking app work in landscape. Such an app pretty much just displays my account information and allow me to pay bills. I have a Transformer tablet and it is always docked in the keyboard if I plan to do any typing which means I have to use it in landscape when banking.

Even putting big black bars to the left and right to make it the same aspect as a portrait orientation app would be acceptible to me. I just want to use the app and keyboard on my tablet. It is just too much to ask me to undock my tablet and turn it sideways just to be able to use the app.

dmelgar
Oct 26, 2012, 08:25 PM
I emailed the developer of an app about the fact that it doesn't rotate to landscape. It is a banking app. The response I got was that it was not recommended for tablets and I should use the mobile app instead. I was a bit miffed at the response since they clearly allowed me to install the app on my tablet, but then they recommend that I not use it.

I would just like your opinion about the difficulty (or ease) of making something like a banking app work in landscape. Such an app pretty much just displays my account information and allow me to pay bills. I have a Transformer tablet and it is always docked in the keyboard if I plan to do any typing which means I have to use it in landscape when banking.

Even putting big black bars to the left and right to make it the same aspect as a portrait orientation app would be acceptible to me. I just want to use the app and keyboard on my tablet. It is just too much to ask me to undock my tablet and turn it sideways just to be able to use the app.

It's fairly easy, almost trivial to support landscape and portrait if you're keeping the same content. The real problem is that to do a good UI, you again need to optimize for the aspect ratio and size. Turning portrait to landscape count as two different aspect ratios and sizes.

AppleDeviceUser
Nov 6, 2012, 06:47 PM
Yeah it's lacking but not really in a way, they scale up and are not designed to be tablet apps. So they work but they don't look very good, compared to an app made for a tablet. I would suggest getting Apple's iPad 4th Gen