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MacRumors
Oct 23, 2012, 12:18 PM
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At today's media event, Apple announced an update to its iBooks (http://appshopper.com/books/ibooks) app for the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. The updated iBooks app will feature a new continuous scrolling option, support for more than 40 languages including Korean and Japanese, and the ability to share passages from books via Facebook and Twitter.

The new version of iBooks will be available later today as a free download through the App Store. [Direct Link (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibooks/id364709193?mt=8)]

Article Link: Apple Announces Updated iBooks App With Continuous Scrolling (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/23/apple-announces-updated-ibooks-app-with-continuous-scrolling/)



milo
Oct 23, 2012, 12:21 PM
STILL no app for mac, pc, or any other platform? **** that.

Belgrano
Oct 23, 2012, 12:36 PM
STILL no app for mac, pc, or any other platform? **** that.

Yup. I'm never buying anything on iBooks until things work with my Macbook/ iTunes.

Not reading books on my iPhone. No way.

milo
Oct 23, 2012, 12:43 PM
STILL no app for mac, pc, or any other platform? **** that.

Disappointed that the mods here aren't familiar with fsck, the command line file system check app.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsck

Dusky600
Oct 23, 2012, 01:20 PM
STILL no app for mac, pc, or any other platform? **** that.

Totally agree, i really think apple needs this feature, ibooks on mac !

squidkitten
Oct 23, 2012, 01:23 PM
So far I'm annoyed at the new continuous scrolling feature. I hope there's an option for page turning. One of my favorite things about iBooks is how the reading experience is very similar to reading a real book, and I may switch back to the Kindle App :/

RayK
Oct 23, 2012, 01:25 PM
So far I'm annoyed at the new continuous scrolling feature. I hope there's an option for page turning. One of my favorite things about iBooks is how the reading experience is very similar to reading a real book, and I may switch back to the Kindle App :/

The commercial of the iPad mini still showed the page turning, so it looks like an option, not a requirement.

darkslide29
Oct 23, 2012, 01:28 PM
STILL no app for mac, pc, or any other platform? **** that.

I really thought today was the day with the inclusion of "Retina Display" on their "best selling Mac", the new 13" MacBook Pro. I expected to hear how crisp, how clear, and gorgeous the text is on the new MacBook Pro for reading iBooks.

squidkitten
Oct 23, 2012, 01:29 PM
The commercial of the iPad mini still showed the page turning, so it looks like an option, not a requirement.

Oh! Excellent! I hope that's the case. I didn't see the commercials because I had to stick to the Engadget liveblog while I was in class rather than watch the livestream. Thanks!

Zimmy68
Oct 23, 2012, 01:34 PM
Dumb question but since I started the video of the event late...

What does continuous scrolling actually mean?

KamuiVII
Oct 23, 2012, 01:36 PM
still no refresh to the app according to the app store. 2:36pm est

MrMoore
Oct 23, 2012, 01:46 PM
Dumb question but since I started the video of the event late...

What does continuous scrolling actually mean?

I think it means instead of "turning" the page in iBooks, you scroll down like when reading something on a web page.

mrgraff
Oct 23, 2012, 02:18 PM
Disappointed that the mods here aren't familiar with fsck, the command line file system check app.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsck

Yeah right, you were just suggesting some file system management tools as a way to deal with the lack of cross-platform support for iBooks.
Nice try.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minced_oath

kas23
Oct 23, 2012, 02:56 PM
Not reading books on my iPhone. No way.

I think you would be pleasantly surprised. It's really not as bad as you think, especially if you are reading in bed.

milo
Oct 23, 2012, 03:04 PM
you were just suggesting some file system management tools

Nah, just pointing out it's not a profanity.

rcmit
Oct 23, 2012, 03:22 PM
Apple is making a big mistake by not making iBooks available on OS X. Personally, I will never purchase a book from Apple unless it's readable on my iMac. I know quite a few students with MacBooks of varying ages who would love to have textbooks on their computers. There's no way that these students are going to purchase an iPad just to be able to buy books from Apple, they can barely afford the books themselves. Apple is missing out on a great opportunity.

philipk
Oct 23, 2012, 03:32 PM
STILL no app for mac, pc, or any other platform? **** that.

Like or not, it is because of DRM.

Every other eBook's DRM has been cracked and the tools are available on the web. Apple iBook is the only DRM not cracked and it is due to the fact that there isn't a OS X or Windows version.

Some have claimed to crack iBook's DRM in iTunes but the claims are dubious. I wouldn't try it as I don't want to corrupt my iTunes files. Even if the claims are correct, the next iTunes update plugs to holes.

Bottom line, as long as the publishers insist on DRM there will be NO OS X or Windows version of iBooks.

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Personally, I will never purchase a book from Apple unless it's readable on my iMac.

Agreed. I do not purchase books from Apple.

All of my eBooks have been purchased by me and I read them in iBooks on my iPad or iPhone. I read them in Calbre on OS X. (No pirated books)

To quote both the Bible and my Old Testament professor who stated all papers are due in his office by Dec. 20. However, he will not be in his office until January.

"Those who have ears hear."

milo
Oct 23, 2012, 03:49 PM
iBook is the only DRM not cracked and it is due to the fact that there isn't a OS X or Windows version.

I don't buy that.

Bottom line, as long as the publishers insist on DRM there will be NO OS X or Windows version of iBooks.

I'm sure publishers are happy if it's not the only format not hacked, but if Apple is letting the publishers keep them from making the software available on other platforms, they are getting conned. If publishers really insisted on that, why are they still making their books available on the other hacked formats anyway? DRM is only as strong as it's weakest link, if a book is available in a format that can be hacked, also having it in an unhackable format doesn't make it any more secure.

Not to mention that Apple has already been through the DRM games with music and movies...and in both of those cases they made all that content playable on macs and PCs from day one.

The only explanation that seems plausible is that Apple thinks they can sell more iOS devices if iBooks is "exclusive". And there's no way they're getting that result.

unobtainium
Oct 23, 2012, 04:30 PM
Where is iBooks for Mac? That's what I was hoping for :-/

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The only explanation that seems plausible is that Apple thinks they can sell more iOS devices if iBooks is "exclusive". And there's no way they're getting that result.

This is my suspicion too. Apple wants iBooks to be an iOS exclusive. But who wants to spend money on a book they can only read on one device, when there are so many cross-platform alternatives out there? It's sad when Kindle offers a better option for eBooks across all your Mac devices than Apple itself is willing to offer.

Porco
Oct 23, 2012, 05:03 PM
Continuous scrolling?! Wow. It's like a magical device that makes me believe I'm holding my Palm Zire 71 from 2003!

It's actually a decent option to have, it's just a bit embarrassing that they think that's worth making a fuss about in a big media event when half the Apple users on the planet are screaming 'where is my iBooks reader for OS X (and I'm all about Kindle until that happens)?'.

philipk
Oct 23, 2012, 05:17 PM
I don't buy that.

I don't want to get into a technical discussion on cracking DRM as it would be a violation of forum rules. It would suffice to say that having DRM built into an OS X or Windows program helps hackers. Kindle tried Apples method with their new Kindle USB only books. Still they got hacked.


DRM is only as strong as it's weakest link, if a book is available in a format that can be hacked, also having it in an unhackable format doesn't make it any more secure.
Exactly!

Does iBooks have any exclusives? Textbooks!
Textbooks are a HUGE profit center for publishers and they will protect them.

Not to mention that Apple has already been through the DRM games with music and movies...and in both of those cases they made all that content playable on macs and PCs from day one.

Yes and both have been hacked. UltraViolet will not allow HD movies to be downloaded on macs and pcs. So far they haven't been hacked.

BTW
I am not agreeing with Apple or the publishers. DRM only hurts the honest customer!

milo
Oct 23, 2012, 05:29 PM
But that doesn't answer my question. If the publishers are stopping apple because of DRM, then why do they allow Amazon to do it?

Saying that there's an exclusive just because of textbooks (most of which were added to ibooks as exclusives much later after the initial ibooks release) is even more farfetched.

Honestly, the publishers would probably prefer cross platform because they'd sell more books. But they probably don't care that much since people who want cross platform are just going to buy them on Amazon anyway.

japanime
Oct 23, 2012, 05:31 PM
Like or not, it is because of DRM.


Which is particularly frustrating to publishing companies such as mine. When we submit our ebooks to the iBookstore, we ALWAYS choose the "No DRM" option. Yet, Apple still apparently slaps a layer of DRM onto everything it sells.

I don't even know why they bother to offer that option if it's not actually going to be honored.

As a publisher, I look forward to the day when all ebooks are DRM-free.

philipk
Oct 23, 2012, 05:45 PM
But that doesn't answer my question. If the publishers are stopping apple because of DRM, then why do they allow Amazon to do it?

Saying that there's an exclusive just because of textbooks (most of which were added to ibooks as exclusives much later after the initial ibooks release) is even more farfetched.

Honestly, the publishers would probably prefer cross platform because they'd sell more books. But they probably don't care that much since people who want cross platform are just going to buy them on Amazon anyway.

Neither of us have inside info, so this is all speculation.

Textbooks came about one year after iBooks. It is not a stretch to guess they were planning on textbooks before the release of the original iPad.

If DRM holds for iBooks, textbook publishers gain a huge profit center including stopping students from buying used books.

Also to claim Apple isn't making an OS X iBooks due to forcing people to buy iPads is very weak as their customers will as you said, buy from Amazon.

For the record, I buy mostly from Amazon (90%) or Barnes and Noble. I have only purchased one from Apple. I read everything through iBooks on my iPad.

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One more thought.

iBooks isn't driving the purchase of iPads. Web browsing is the main driving factor.

I know many people with both an iPad and Kindle or iPad and Nook as they wouldn't buy books from Apple.

thefourthpope
Oct 23, 2012, 06:59 PM
Just call this a hobby and kill it already

nutmac
Oct 23, 2012, 07:13 PM
iBooks 3.0 is finally available for download.

Introducing iBooks 3

• See all your iBookstore purchases in iCloud—right on your bookshelf with iOS 6
• Scroll vertically through your books with the flick of a finger using the new Scroll theme
• Receive free updates to purchased books—including new chapters, corrections, and other improvements
• Look up definitions for words in German, Spanish, French, Japanese and Simplified Chinese with iOS 6
• Share quotes or thoughts about your favorite book with friends on Facebook, Twitter, Messages, or Mail

philipk
Oct 23, 2012, 07:15 PM
Just call this a hobby and kill it already

http://feldmanfile.blogspot.com/2012/07/whos-winning-and-losing-from-shift-to.html

Read 2/3 of the way down the page. From July 2012

With no more than 10% of the U.S. eBook market and even less internationally, Apple's jump into the eBook business has largely been a bust...

pubwvj
Oct 23, 2012, 07:20 PM
Where is iBooks for Mac? That's what I was hoping for :-/

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This is my suspicion too. Apple wants iBooks to be an iOS exclusive. But who wants to spend money on a book they can only read on one device, when there are so many cross-platform alternatives out there? It's sad when Kindle offers a better option for eBooks across all your Mac devices than Apple itself is willing to offer.

It just means I don't tend to use iBooks. Nor do I want to release books in iBooks format since it is limited in platforms. At least Kindle is available on Kindle, MacOS, iOS, Windows and Android. Probably Linux too. That makes Kindle a much more appealing platform to release titles for. Apple is really goofing up on this.

kbmb
Oct 23, 2012, 08:38 PM
iBooks 3.0 is finally available for download.

Introducing iBooks 3

• See all your iBookstore purchases in iCloud—right on your bookshelf with iOS 6
• Scroll vertically through your books with the flick of a finger using the new Scroll theme
• Receive free updates to purchased books—including new chapters, corrections, and other improvements
• Look up definitions for words in German, Spanish, French, Japanese and Simplified Chinese with iOS 6
• Share quotes or thoughts about your favorite book with friends on Facebook, Twitter, Messages, or Mail

Update installed, but the new Purchased Books shelf is empty......even though I have plenty of purchased books in my account.

Anyone else seeing this as well?

-Kevin

joseph2166
Oct 23, 2012, 08:48 PM
It just means I don't tend to use iBooks. Nor do I want to release books in iBooks format since it is limited in platforms. At least Kindle is available on Kindle, MacOS, iOS, Windows and Android. Probably Linux too. That makes Kindle a much more appealing platform to release titles for. Apple is really goofing up on this.

You can see how they can't win though. If they put it into iTunes there will be complaints about bloat; if they make a separate app then it will probably be OSX only (as it seems they've given up on windows program's other than iTunes).

I can see how its great to have diversity of options, but out of interest in what sort of situation do people read books on computers? Not having a laptop it's never occurred to me. In bed, at a desk, on the train...?

hankydysplasia
Oct 23, 2012, 09:02 PM
What's the deal with still not being able to sync content purchased elsewhere or PDF's?

Is this another example of intentionally forcing people to use their store by withholding a feature or laziness?

HMI
Oct 23, 2012, 09:09 PM
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Apple just released the new version of iBooks 3.0 for iOS 6.

imerc08
Oct 23, 2012, 09:11 PM
Update installed, but the new Purchased Books shelf is empty......even though I have plenty of purchased books in my account.

Anyone else seeing this as well?

-Kevin

On my iPhone, the Purchased Books shelf is also empty. On my iPad, they're all there. I'm not sure what's going on here..

joseph2166
Oct 23, 2012, 09:14 PM
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Apple just released the new version of iBooks 3.0 for iOS 6.

Thanks for updating us. This topic's a bit too long for newcomers to check these sorts of things:)

bwillwall
Oct 23, 2012, 10:52 PM
Yup. I'm never buying anything on iBooks until things work with my Macbook/ iTunes.

Not reading books on my iPhone. No way.

It's actually quite a joy, I prefer it to awkward books that you have to hold open.

trunten
Oct 24, 2012, 06:00 AM
I CAN SELECT TEXT IN MY PDFS! :)

Still can't highlight though :(

anjinha
Oct 24, 2012, 06:05 AM
Update installed, but the new Purchased Books shelf is empty......even though I have plenty of purchased books in my account.

Anyone else seeing this as well?

-Kevin

Mine didn't show up right away, it took a few minutes.

therockyroad
Oct 24, 2012, 06:49 AM
Darn, when I first read the headline I thought "continuous scroll" meant "auto scroll", like what I had on my Palm Tungsten ten years ago. I used to enjoy reading "no hands" from time to time.

If they really want to Think Different, they should try the single line horizontal auto-scroll (ticker style) mode that I saw in a reader for Mac once.

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It's actually quite a joy, I prefer it to awkward books that you have to hold open.

If they add auto-scroll one day you won't even have to hold it at all :)

everything-i
Oct 24, 2012, 10:08 AM
STILL no app for mac, pc, or any other platform? **** that.

Have to agree, for me iBooks is a non-starter until its at least available on all Apple platforms. Never understood why OSX version hasn't bean released unless its down to contracts with publishers which wouldn't surprise me.

mac2thefuture
Oct 25, 2012, 12:50 AM
I can select and highlight text that I'd like to share, but I don't get the option to share. I have the iPad 2. Is there a minimum requirement??

thefourthpope
Oct 25, 2012, 07:21 PM
http://feldmanfile.blogspot.com/2012/07/whos-winning-and-losing-from-shift-to.html

Read 2/3 of the way down the page. From July 2012

Thanks for the link.

That's exactly the type of info that makes me want apple to kill this effort and re-assign those assets to improving other areas. I know, huge company with huge coffers, but even wildly wealthy AAPL seems to spread out at times.

cfs112
Oct 26, 2012, 03:56 AM
yeah, we definitely need an iBooks app for the Mac, not sure why this has not been implemented yet . . . prolly to save something for next years apple event? :confused:

imstacydavids
Oct 29, 2012, 04:50 AM
"As a publisher, I look forward to the day when all ebooks are DRM-free. "
I can relate to this. Publishers really need ebooks that are DRM-free.

gnasher729
Oct 29, 2012, 06:12 AM
So far I'm annoyed at the new continuous scrolling feature. I hope there's an option for page turning. One of my favorite things about iBooks is how the reading experience is very similar to reading a real book, and I may switch back to the Kindle App :/

If you haven't noticed that continuous scrolling is an option, and that the page turning works exactly the same as it always did, then I suggest iBooks isn't dumbed down enough.

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Which is particularly frustrating to publishing companies such as mine. When we submit our ebooks to the iBookstore, we ALWAYS choose the "No DRM" option. Yet, Apple still apparently slaps a layer of DRM onto everything it sells.

I don't even know why they bother to offer that option if it's not actually going to be honored.

As a publisher, I look forward to the day when all ebooks are DRM-free.

I got a few paid for books from the iTunes store that are DRM free (from a publisher who wishes to publish everything DRM free, except that Amazon doesn't allow it). They are standard ePub format, which is basically a zip file containing all the files making up the book. The DRM infrastructure is all in place, all the key handling resources etc., including a list of the encrypted files - however, that list is empty. None of the files are encrypted. All the information to decrypt encrypted files, if there were any, is there, but there are none.

If you checked whether there is DRM by using some tool, it is quite possible that this tool found the DRM infrastructure, even though the book is completely readable if a reader just ignores the DRM infrastructure. Simple manual check: Rename the file from ".epub" to ".zip". Right-click on it in the Finder and decompress. Check if all the bits are there and readable.

Oman
Oct 29, 2012, 10:18 AM
it appears that only books purchased via iBooks will be able to use the continuous scrolling feature.... :mad::eek:

squidkitten
Oct 29, 2012, 11:51 AM
If you haven't noticed that continuous scrolling is an option, and that the page turning works exactly the same as it always did, then I suggest iBooks isn't dumbed down enough

Don't be an ass, this was posted a few hours before the iBooks update was available, and I had only seen the Engadget liveblog of the keynote at the time, which used ambiguous language as to whether or not it was an "option" or the default.