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jc244
Oct 23, 2012, 04:52 PM
So guys, the new rMBP 13 or the MBA 13, which one would you buy? If cost is not a factor.



Lukewarmwinner
Oct 23, 2012, 05:03 PM
So guys, the new rMBP 13 or the MBA 13, which one would you buy? If cost is not a factor.

If cost isn't a factor, then I'd go with rMBP. It's ridiculous price tag makes a bad value though, but if your financial situation is lucrative then I'm guessing you might as well get it - or the 15inch. Otherwise go for MBA and a iPad if you want to get value for the money.

jc244
Oct 23, 2012, 05:09 PM
Reason I ask is I have a 15 inch MBP at home. I put a set of 512gb SSDs in there and use it really as my primary computer at home and don't like to take it on the go. So I wanted to get one for the road and was set on the MBA 13 but am thinking about this rMBP 13. The cost would be about 500 dollars different I guess with similar specs, but I just like a more sturdy computer. At the same time, I already have a MBP 15 and would like some variety.

KylePowers
Oct 23, 2012, 05:17 PM
The price difference doesn't justify the hardware difference.

Now if it had a quad-core or discrete GPU... or maybe even came standard with 256GB, then yeah, maybe.

I really wanted the 13in rMBP, but I guess I'll just wait and see what comes next year.

But if cost isn't a factor, idk, I guess I'd go rMBP. Upscaling the res would be very useful.

Steve121178
Oct 23, 2012, 05:19 PM
So guys, the new rMBP 13 or the MBA 13, which one would you buy? If cost is not a factor.

The form-factor of the MBA is perfect so a fully loaded MBA would be hard to turn down.

0x000000
Oct 23, 2012, 05:25 PM
I really wanted to buy the rMBP but the price tag is bonkers. Quad Core and 256 GB base and I'd get it, but like this? The performance should be on par with the MacBook Air, considering how the Retina sucks away processing time like a boss and all that at a screen estate of low and outdated 1280x800 pixels. Sure you can upscale, but that'd further reduce performance.

For that price I'd just get the 15" rMBP, much better value. But you wouldn't be here discussing whether to take the MBA or 13" rMBP if 15" was an option.

rcappo
Oct 23, 2012, 05:28 PM
I would go with the rMBP just because I like great high res displays.

But for traveling and such, I will have to get something like this one day...

bgsnmky
Oct 23, 2012, 05:58 PM
NOt to take over the thread but I have the same question as I JUST bought the 13 in air on October 6th so I could return it.

I am not a detailed spec person....so I have a question.

Basically I have this:
13.3 in mac air
2.0 GHz i7 boosts up to 3.2
8 GB
256 Flash
paid $1599 (education discount)

The new rmbpro 13 inch
is about the same except the
2.5 Ghz is with i5 but has a boost up to 3.1


the min difference I see is the Ghz stuff :p

$300.00 more
is it worh it.

Weight was a factor, but now it looks like the 13 rmpro is about 1/2 a pound heavier.

Just your thoughts.

jc244
Oct 23, 2012, 08:00 PM
NOt to take over the thread but I have the same question as I JUST bought the 13 in air on October 6th so I could return it.

I am not a detailed spec person....so I have a question.

Basically I have this:
13.3 in mac air
2.0 GHz i7 boosts up to 3.2
8 GB
256 Flash
paid $1599 (education discount)

The new rmbpro 13 inch
is about the same except the
2.5 Ghz is with i5 but has a boost up to 3.1


the min difference I see is the Ghz stuff :p

$300.00 more
is it worh it.

Weight was a factor, but now it looks like the 13 rmpro is about 1/2 a pound heavier.

Just your thoughts.


I decided on the MacBook Air 13. In the end actually the cost was a bit of a factor as well as form factor and the fact that I didn't want two computers that essentially look the same, I already have the MBP 15 non retina.

As far as answering your question, the 2.0 GHz on the MacBook Air has a 4MB cache size compared to 3MB cache size for the 2.5 GHz in the rMBP. In the end it's possible that the 2.0 GHz might even perform better so my only option when I was comparing the two were comparing the 2.0 GHz MBA and the 2.9 GHz rMBP which is 4MB cache. That puts the difference at around 500 dollars.

RickG
Oct 23, 2012, 08:43 PM
will the 13rMBP boot faster than a loaded air ???

halledise
Oct 23, 2012, 09:29 PM
will the 13rMBP boot faster than a loaded air ???

they'd both be at least the same - possibly the rMBP would be a tad faster.

my 15" rMBP starts up to the login screen in around 7 seconds - faster than my Air ever did.

yanksrock100
Oct 23, 2012, 10:13 PM
If price isn't a factor, 13 rMBP.

Mrbobb
Oct 23, 2012, 11:36 PM
they'd both be at least the same - possibly the rMBP would be a tad faster.

my 15" rMBP starts up to the login screen in around 7 seconds - faster than my Air ever did.


My Air used to be pretty instant when it had a fresh copy of the OS, now if I re-open it within minutes, still pretty instant, but after after that takes 3-5 seconds b4r it let me type in the password. Doesn't bother me, I don't why this is such a big deal with sum of u. After 15 seconds, OK it needs some tweaking. This is wake up, boot is another animal.

allblur
Oct 24, 2012, 12:28 AM
The reason why is because not many people need retina. Also to be frank, not a lot of software is optimized for retina. To compare them both side by side, the only upgrade you're getting is the 768gb SSD option, on top of the screen. But price wise, you'll be better off with the MBA, If you're on a budget and need a machine that's good enough to do everything but also have a home machine aka desktop, I would suggest getting a MBA 13" instead. The rMBP 13" is really only for people who need portability compared to the rMBP 15", which I think is a prime solution for photographers and designers on the go.

Aviatorr01
Oct 24, 2012, 01:32 AM
How about more specifically:

Maxed out 13" MBA
2.0Ghz i7
8Gb RAM
256Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Vs.

Base model 13" rMBP
2.5Ghz i5
8Gb RAM
128Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Both priced at $1699 (US)

Which would you guys buy?

Raejin
Oct 24, 2012, 01:40 AM
I don't need retina. I'd go with Air because it's around half a pound easier to carry around. Ultimately I want the portability and at the same time I don't sacrifice much in terms of the power. (I am satisfied with my i5)

crazyxzer0
Oct 24, 2012, 01:45 AM
How about more specifically:

Maxed out 13" MBA
2.0Ghz i7
8Gb RAM
256Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Vs.

Base model 13" rMBP
2.5Ghz i5
8Gb RAM
128Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Both priced at $1699 (US)

Which would you guys buy?

256GB SSD is a min for me. :X

slumpey326
Oct 24, 2012, 09:12 AM
How about more specifically:

Maxed out 13" MBA
2.0Ghz i7
8Gb RAM
256Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Vs.

Base model 13" rMBP
2.5Ghz i5
8Gb RAM
128Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Both priced at $1699 (US)

Which would you guys buy?


same dilemma for me but I feel that the 128GB SSD that comes with the rMPB is what is killing it for me, this should have came with 228GB SSD. Then this would have been a no-brainer.

wditters
Oct 24, 2012, 09:48 AM
same dilemma for me but I feel that the 128GB SSD that comes with the rMPB is what is killing it for me, this should have came with 228GB SSD. Then this would have been a no-brainer.

If your focus is portability then go with the Air. It beats the rMBP hands down when it comes to portability:

0.11-0.68 inch thickness versus 0.75 inch and 2.38 pounds versus 3.57 pounds.

If your focus is screen quality then go with the rMBP.

If your focus is performance then bear in mind that the Airs have a low-voltage CPU with a slightly lower performance then their full mobile siblings.
The Air i7 beats most of the rMBP i5s but the rMBP i7 still has the slight performance edge. Nothing earth-shattering though in terms of difference.

For me portability was the decision factor. My Maxed out Air i7 2.0 with 8Gb ram and 512Gb SSD easily handles everything I throw at it.

n2deep
Oct 24, 2012, 02:57 PM
How about more specifically:

Maxed out 13" MBA
2.0Ghz i7
8Gb RAM
256Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Vs.

Base model 13" rMBP
2.5Ghz i5
8Gb RAM
128Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Both priced at $1699 (US)

Which would you guys buy?

I want to know this too!!! Help guys I'm on the fence here. I have a mid 2009 mbp now w 8g ram and 256 flash drive.

jc244
Oct 24, 2012, 03:18 PM
How about more specifically:

Maxed out 13" MBA
2.0Ghz i7
8Gb RAM
256Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Vs.

Base model 13" rMBP
2.5Ghz i5
8Gb RAM
128Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Both priced at $1699 (US)

Which would you guys buy?

If that's the comparison, MBA by a mile.

ryannel2003
Oct 24, 2012, 03:22 PM
I really love my 13" Air. It's very powerful for such a small computer, it's super fast and has a great screen, and it's portable so I literally take it everywhere I go. It's the best computer I've ever owned, and I've owned quite a few (more than 10). I previously had a 13" cMBP and I can't think of one reason where I would take it over my Air.

thadoggfather
Oct 24, 2012, 04:39 PM
I too really like my MBA 13.

halledise
Oct 24, 2012, 06:47 PM
How about more specifically:

Maxed out 13" MBA
2.0Ghz i7
8Gb RAM
256Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Vs.

Base model 13" rMBP
2.5Ghz i5
8Gb RAM
128Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Both priced at $1699 (US)

Which would you guys buy?

retina MacBook Pro without blinking

Narich918
Oct 24, 2012, 09:18 PM
If your focus is performance then bear in mind that the Airs have a low-voltage CPU with a slightly lower performance then their full mobile siblings.
The Air i7 beats most of the rMBP i5s but the rMBP i7 still has the slight performance edge. Nothing earth-shattering though in terms of difference.


Are you saying the MBA 2.0 ghz i7 beats out the rMBP 2.5 ghz i5? Any benchmarks that back this up? Just curious.

MTD's Mac
Oct 24, 2012, 11:00 PM
How about more specifically:

Maxed out 13" MBA
2.0Ghz i7
8Gb RAM
256Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Vs.

Base model 13" rMBP
2.5Ghz i5
8Gb RAM
128Gb SSD
Intel HD4000

Both priced at $1699 (US)

Which would you guys buy?

Don't forget about the rather HUGE difference in displays. But I still prefer my old Air (and will plan on buying one with the next update) over the rMPB - too heavy, too thick (thicker than the 15" version), and too little of a performance advantage to make it better than the Air.

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 25, 2012, 12:42 AM
Exactly, if portability is a must then Air.

I'm going with the Air since transporting my Mac everyday

katai
Oct 25, 2012, 12:46 AM
Thought about getting rmbp but the price was too much for me. I just ordered an air and the thinness will pay off when I carry it to school or have it on my lap at home.

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 25, 2012, 12:55 AM
Thought about getting rmbp but the price was too much for me. I just ordered an air and the thinness will pay off when I carry it to school or have it on my lap at home.

Ditto. Was going to buy the rMBP but really can't justify the 500$ difference just for the screen..

AlvinNguyen
Oct 25, 2012, 01:06 AM
Ditto. Was going to buy the rMBP but really can't justify the 500$ difference just for the screen..

and the max ram is the same as the Air at 8GB...wth :confused:

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 25, 2012, 01:12 AM
and the max ram is the same as the Air at 8GB...wth :confused:

Exactly. I've got a 2010 maxed MBA which I have to give away, which fitted my needs perfectly. I really didn't notice the 'bad' screen the retina-folks are talking 'bout, so I'm just going for the 2012 Air. Even saw rMBP 15 and Air side-by-side in a shop and must say the difference was small. You had to sit really close to notice any difference - but that's just me

oxfordguy
Oct 25, 2012, 02:39 AM
if that's the comparison, mba by a mile.

+1

jmgregory1
Oct 25, 2012, 05:59 AM
Loving my '11 13" mba. The retina screen just isn't tripping my trigger and there is no way I'll go back to anything heavier.

The whole performance thing has to come down to what you're doing with the computer. My wife uses a mbp with a processor and gpu that on paper should smoke my mba. And maybe it would if she were running cpu or graphic intense programs, but in everyday use where we're both mostly using the machines for common business applications (spreadsheets, docs, presentations), my mba smokes her mbp (which is mostly related ssd vs hdd speed issues).

I know the new rmbp 13 has the same ssd, but what I'm getting at is any performance improvements between cpu (given the gpu is the same) will be negligible at best (for most common situations).

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 25, 2012, 06:08 AM
Loving my '11 13" mba. The retina screen just isn't tripping my trigger and there is no way I'll go back to anything heavier.

The whole performance thing has to come down to what you're doing with the computer. My wife uses a mbp with a processor and gpu that on paper should smoke my mba. And maybe it would if she were running cpu or graphic intense programs, but in everyday use where we're both mostly using the machines for common business applications (spreadsheets, docs, presentations), my mba smokes her mbp (which is mostly related ssd vs hdd speed issues).

I know the new rmbp 13 has the same ssd, but what I'm getting at is any performance improvements between cpu (given the gpu is the same) will be negligible at best (for most common situations).

I've finally decided on the MBA and just ordered now! (i5, 128gb, 8gb). Can't wait!

And nah, the retina really doesn't mean anything to me neither. Not to make up the 500$ difference!

jmgregory1
Oct 25, 2012, 06:39 AM
I've finally decided on the MBA and just ordered now! (i5, 128gb, 8gb). Can't wait!

And nah, the retina really doesn't mean anything to me neither. Not to make up the 500$ difference!

Congrats - I'm sure you won't regret your decision.

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 25, 2012, 06:44 AM
Congrats - I'm sure you won't regret your decision.

I'm sure I won't. I've had Airs since 2008, and really like the computer! Original I waited for the rMBP but 500$ for me is a lot, and would rather put those money in the resale-lost when that time comes.

mattopotamus
Oct 25, 2012, 06:47 AM
The real question you need to decide is what do you use your computer for? If you just surf the web, facebook, and other minor task/apps.....why do you need anything but an air? That is a very high price to pay for a 13" laptop that you will probably never come near pushing.

oxfordguy
Oct 25, 2012, 06:58 AM
Are you saying the MBA 2.0 ghz i7 beats out the rMBP 2.5 ghz i5? Any benchmarks that back this up? Just curious.

I doubt it would beat actually it on speed, but the 2.0 ghz i7 is going to be more than fast enough for 99% of what most people will want to do (hell, even the 1.8Ghz i5 is probably more than enough, though I wanted to get the fastest MBA I could), don't forget the 2Ghz i7 can turbo boost up to 3.2 Ghz! (see: http://ark.intel.com/products/64898/Intel-Core-i7-3667U-Processor-(4M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz).

I do know that the i7 on my MBA is *way* more powerful than the 2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo in my old Macbook Pro

talk
Oct 25, 2012, 09:40 AM
Exactly. I've got a 2010 maxed MBA which I have to give away, which fitted my needs perfectly. I really didn't notice the 'bad' screen the retina-folks are talking 'bout, so I'm just going for the 2012 Air. Even saw rMBP 15 and Air side-by-side in a shop and must say the difference was small. You had to sit really close to notice any difference - but that's just me

Plus the fact that you get a bigger real estate on the air (if the rMBP 13" is used in retina mode).

I'd be willing to sacrifice portability and pay extra $500 if the rMBP 13" had more ram options and dedicated GPU. For what you get, and for my use case, i'd rather spend the $500 on the new thunderbolt display when it comes out.

If use happen to use your laptop on the couch, plane, train, the difference in weight and thickness is a big factor, and outweigh the screen. At least that's what I told myself when I ordered a refurbished maxed 2012 MBA 13"

vcuares
Oct 25, 2012, 12:07 PM
Geekbench nos are now up. 13"rMBP is 10% faster than the slowest 13"MBA. Almost negligible to me. You are basically paying additional $500 and add some weight/size burden to get a retina display.

But, I really wanted retina. =)

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 25, 2012, 12:10 PM
Geekbench nos are now up. 13"rMBP is 10% faster than the slowest 13"MBA. Almost negligible to me. You are basically paying additional $500 and add some weight/size burden to get a retina display.

But, I really wanted retina. =)

Wow, that wasn't much! 10 % isn't noticeable in everyday use.

You're right. 500$ for a retina screen just seems ridiculous. I couldn't justify it :)

wditters
Oct 25, 2012, 12:18 PM
Are you saying the MBA 2.0 ghz i7 beats out the rMBP 2.5 ghz i5? Any benchmarks that back this up? Just curious.

According to www.cpubenchmark.net these are the scores:

Intel i7-3667u at 2.0Ghz (Air 2012): 4139
Intel i5-3210m at 2.5Ghz (rMBP 13 2012): 4004

vcuares
Oct 25, 2012, 12:46 PM
According to www.cpubenchmark.net these are the scores:

Intel i7-3667u at 2.0Ghz (Air 2012): 4139
Intel i5-3210m at 2.5Ghz (rMBP 13 2012): 4004

Similar results for Geekbench (http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2012/10/13-inch-retina-macbook-pro-benchmarks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+primatelabsblog+%28Primate+Labs+Blog%29) as well. i7 MBA beats i5 rMBP

Mac32
Oct 25, 2012, 03:07 PM
What about the i7 option for the rMBP 13''? It's significantly faster at 2.9ghz, I wonder how much hotter the i7 option is.. Does anyone have an rMBP 13'' with the i7 cpu?

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 25, 2012, 03:08 PM
What about the i7 option for the rMBP 13''? It's significantly faster, I wonder how much hotter the i7 option is.. Does anyone have an rMBP 13'' with the i7 cpu?

I think people who consider the rMBP i7 goes with the 15" - might as well at least

caligomez
Oct 25, 2012, 05:01 PM
Why does everyone keep repeating the same "$500 difference"?? THis thread is supposed to compare the i7 MBA and entry level rMBP.. They're both the same price, no??

rcappo
Oct 25, 2012, 05:27 PM
Buy both. Take the retina screen off the rMBP and put it on the Air. :D

That is what I want.

jc244
Oct 25, 2012, 07:11 PM
Why does everyone keep repeating the same "$500 difference"?? THis thread is supposed to compare the i7 MBA and entry level rMBP.. They're both the same price, no??

Well. Initially cost was not a factor. But once you start comparing, that $500 difference starts glaring at you.

johnnyvh
Oct 26, 2012, 02:58 AM
I have the same problem as the topic starter... I waited for the announcement of the rMPB 13 inch, but it's quite expensive.

I was chosing between these two model specs:
MBA
2,0-GHz dual-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost till 3,2 GHz
8 GB 1600-MHz DDR3L SDRAM
256 GB flash-storage
€ 1.830,00

or rMBP:
2,5-GHz dual-core Intel Core i5, Turbo Boost till 3,1 GHz
8 GB 1600-MHz DDR3L SDRAM
256 GB flash-storage
€ 2.079,00

I have to say I would use it more for presentations, university (business & economics) and so on... And sometimes play a game, but no high-end games or something or watch a movie. So the Air would be enough, but the Retina would be amazing. What would you chose?

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 26, 2012, 04:24 AM
I have the same problem as the topic starter... I waited for the announcement of the rMPB 13 inch, but it's quite expensive.

I was chosing between these two model specs:
MBA
2,0-GHz dual-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost till 3,2 GHz
8 GB 1600-MHz DDR3L SDRAM
256 GB flash-storage
€ 1.830,00

or rMBP:
2,5-GHz dual-core Intel Core i5, Turbo Boost till 3,1 GHz
8 GB 1600-MHz DDR3L SDRAM
256 GB flash-storage
€ 2.079,00

I have to say I would use it more for presentations, university (business & economics) and so on... And sometimes play a game, but no high-end games or something or watch a movie. So the Air would be enough, but the Retina would be amazing. What would you chose?

It really depends on how much you'd be willing to pay for the retina display. Forget the performance 'cause you'd barely notice any difference.

johnnyvh
Oct 26, 2012, 05:57 AM
It really depends on how much you'd be willing to pay for the retina display. Forget the performance 'cause you'd barely notice any difference.

Oke, so it's more the question of:
- Willing to pay €200,- more for the Retina display
- And if i'm willing to sacrifice some portability for it?

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 26, 2012, 06:11 AM
Oke, so it's more the question of:
- Willing to pay €200,- more for the Retina display
- And if i'm willing to sacrifice some portability for it?

Exactly. I should've paid 500$ for the same questions, and didn't wanted to. But you might think different. I don't really feel the hype for retina, but if that's your thing, then go for it :). I'm gonna wait till the retina has been more a standard where programs are optimized for it, and not now as some overpriced gimmick.

If money is no object then I would've purchased the rmbp 15" (maybe 13"). But I don't really have a lot of money laying around, and that saving might come handy some time :)

xxnoelziexx
Oct 26, 2012, 06:26 AM
Bought a 15" Retina 2.7/16gb/512 ssd July.

Just got the below through Students discount came out at £1,293.60
Can't wait I really love the Retina on the 15" best screen I have used ever. There was no way I could spend the extra cash on a retina 13 with intergrated graphics. I was pretty annoyed at the mbpr 13" specs. I will be waiting till next refresh sell the below and put the money towards a new one.

Ordered 13" Dispatched: 1 - 2 Weeks Delivers 02 Nov, 2012 - 09 Nov, 2012

•2.0GHz Intel Dual-Core Core i7
•8GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
•256GB Flash Storage
•Keyboard/User's Guide-GBR
•Country Kit-GBR
APPLECARE PROTECTION PLAN UPLIFT MACBOOK/MACBOOK AIR/MACBOOK PRO 13" (HE CONTRACT)..

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 26, 2012, 06:36 AM
Bought a 15" Retina 2.7/16gb/512 ssd July.

Just got the below through Students discount came out at £1,293.60
Can't wait I really love the Retina on the 15" best screen I have used ever. There was no way I could spend the extra cash on a retina 13 with intergrated graphics. I was pretty annoyed at the mbpr 13" specs. I will be waiting till next refresh sell the below and put the money towards a new one.

Ordered 13" Dispatched: 1 - 2 Weeks Delivers 02 Nov, 2012 - 09 Nov, 2012

•2.0GHz Intel Dual-Core Core i7
•8GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
•256GB Flash Storage
•Keyboard/User's Guide-GBR
•Country Kit-GBR
APPLECARE PROTECTION PLAN UPLIFT MACBOOK/MACBOOK AIR/MACBOOK PRO 13" (HE CONTRACT)..

So you bought a rMBP 15" and now a MBA 13"?

xxnoelziexx
Oct 26, 2012, 07:03 AM
Sounds strange lol but I need a smaller laptop for travel and holiday over Christmas 3 weeks in the Philippines. The Retina laptop is staying at home, Almost bought the 11" but the battery put me off.

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 26, 2012, 07:16 AM
Sounds strange lol but I need a smaller laptop for travel and holiday over Christmas 3 weeks in the Philippines. The Retina laptop is staying at home, Almost bought the 11" but the battery put me off.

Just sounds expensive :D

fckualsukrs
Oct 26, 2012, 09:10 AM
MBA 13" for sure. If you're not working in the video editing or photographer industry I strongly recommend MBA for daily commute etc. I like the portability of the Air. Furthermore, it is much cheaper, just add a few hundred you get an iPad with a decent amount of capacity.
Also, the screen of the Air is noticibily larger than 13 MPB but still lighter. I purchased a waterfield sleeve that could fit both iPad and MBA carry around perfectly. The combined weight not too bulky.

0x000000
Oct 26, 2012, 01:52 PM
Please be aware that despite the HD4000 being theoretically powerful enough for the retina display, animations in OSX, programs like keynote and in some cases even stuff like scrolling PDFs are notably less fluid than on even entry level MBAs. Just test it in the store and you'll clearly see the difference.

I absolutely need a notebook fast and money is no problem at all.. but despite having realllllly waited for the rMBP, currently neither performance nor price justify it being bought... I'll get something temporary and wait for the retinas to be polished.

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 26, 2012, 01:56 PM
Please be aware that despite the HD4000 being theoretically powerful enough for the retina display, animations in OSX, programs like keynote and in some cases even stuff like scrolling PDFs are notably less fluid than on even entry level MBAs. Just test it in the store and you'll clearly see the difference.

I absolutely need a notebook fast and money is no problem at all.. but despite having realllllly waited for the rMBP, currently neither performance nor price justify it being bought... I'll get something temporary and wait for the retinas to be polished.

Yeah just read that on other forums. That really sucks. You could buy a 11" 64gb pretty cheap and keep it till next refresh

TheRichboy247
Oct 26, 2012, 05:52 PM
I have a 13" MBA base and it's more than enough for me. It handles all the everyday tasks extremely well and even a bit of modest gaming. I stacked my Air up against my friends 15" rMBP and performance seems to be about the same doing everyday tasks. Obviously, the 15 rMBP will outperform the Air doing more intensive things like hardcore gaming, HD video editing or Photoshop.