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Wicked1
Oct 26, 2012, 09:20 AM
Not doing anything intense, excepts some minor gaming, and maybe encoding a movie here and there, is the 8GB worth it?

I was looking on Apple's Refurb site and the 13" 2.0 cpu, with 512 and 8GB is close to $2000

I was thinking of the 13" with 4GB and 256 for $1200

Will there be a difference? I currently have a 2011 Base Mini with 8GB, but it was because I can do the Ram upgrade. I usually keep my machines for 3 years, so I figure by then the norm will be 8GB.

Just looking for opinions on those who have 4 and 8 GB



Sech
Oct 26, 2012, 09:36 AM
The 8GB model has access to slightly more VRAM, which may make a difference in your gaming (?). I have the 4GB model and I spend a lot of time coding, browsing, occasional Diablo 3, without any trouble. My next one will be 8GB, just cause.

Lindberg
Oct 26, 2012, 09:57 AM
The 8GB model has access to slightly more VRAM, which may make a difference in your gaming (?). I have the 4GB model and I spend a lot of time coding, browsing, occasional Diablo 3, without any trouble. My next one will be 8GB, just cause.
No one has documented an in-game difference of 4 gb v 8 gb gb ram...

Zeke D
Oct 26, 2012, 11:20 AM
I have 4GB/128GB and run several games just fine.

Calot
Oct 26, 2012, 11:26 AM
4GB RAM = 380MB vRAM

8GB RAM = 512MB vRAM

35% more vRAM is not a "slight" improvement.

For 100 dollars, it seems like a no brainer.

Mrbobb
Oct 26, 2012, 11:46 AM
I was thinking of the 13" with 4GB and 256 for $1200


The sticker shock is due to the 512. Everything else being equal going 4 to 8 is only $100 bux.

RightMACatU
Oct 26, 2012, 11:55 AM
As an FYI: I'm glad I went with 8GB where I dedicate a full 4GB to my Win7 VMWare Fusion image. I tried 2GB but 4GB is much better.

Lukewarmwinner
Oct 26, 2012, 02:14 PM
My last Air had 4gb ram and didn't notice any lack of extra ram. Although I just ordered one with 8, just in case.

Lunfai
Oct 26, 2012, 03:36 PM
Depends on what you want to do with the machine. But to future proof the machine, get the 8GB, it's not that expensive.

TC25
Oct 26, 2012, 05:45 PM
For 100 dollars, it seems like a no brainer.

Then what explains all the threads asking this question? :confused:

TheRichboy247
Oct 26, 2012, 05:56 PM
If you're planning on futureproofing your machine, go for the 8GB's of RAM. I got 4GB because I got mine at a retail store while they were doing a special. I also have an iMac if I need extra power.

Calot
Oct 26, 2012, 06:59 PM
Then what explains all the threads asking this question? :confused:

Do you see how messed up the world is?

Exactly.

tiwizard
Oct 26, 2012, 07:30 PM
If you can upgrade for $100, I'd strongly suggest getting the 8 GB of RAM. However if you're looking at returns and this is not an option, you may want to take your usage into account (http://macbooktips.info/buying-macbook/ram-macbook-air-macbook-pro/). It doesn't sound like you'd *need* it though.

fleawannabe
Oct 26, 2012, 07:47 PM
8gb

katai
Oct 26, 2012, 07:50 PM
I ordered the 8gb instead of the ssd upgrade.

Yebubbleman
Oct 26, 2012, 08:45 PM
Not doing anything intense, excepts some minor gaming, and maybe encoding a movie here and there, is the 8GB worth it?

I was looking on Apple's Refurb site and the 13" 2.0 cpu, with 512 and 8GB is close to $2000

I was thinking of the 13" with 4GB and 256 for $1200

Will there be a difference? I currently have a 2011 Base Mini with 8GB, but it was because I can do the Ram upgrade. I usually keep my machines for 3 years, so I figure by then the norm will be 8GB.

Just looking for opinions on those who have 4 and 8 GB

$2000 is a pretty expensive machine to only use for three years. Why so short? You know these machines can last longer than that, right? (Usually 5-6 years.)

Otherwise, a MacBook Air with 512GB SSD and 8GB of RAM is the way to go. In general, in a computer where the RAM is un-upgradable, especially a Mac where most new versions of OS X up the RAM requirement incrementally, the more RAM you can stuff in there, the longer your machine will last.

xxcysxx
Oct 26, 2012, 11:14 PM
i built a video game system this summer with 32gb of ram, just specifically to play games. then i later learned that none of the games on the market uses more then 2gb of ram. some of them i literally have to modified to use 4gb, but that's it. and i only play one game at a time though i got about 10 games installed in my system.

though, the extra ram does make my system faster.

J&JPolangin
Oct 26, 2012, 11:29 PM
I have a similar experience to share...an open box 2011 13" MBP for $806.40 and a open box 2012 13" MBA 4Gb/128SSD for $1070.10.

On the MBP I can slap in 8Gb of RAM that I have (from my 21" iMac) and using the MBP RAM both machines will then have 8Gb RAM for no additional cost, I can then put in the Crucial M4 512 SSD I got off Amazon for $349 shipped.

The trade off's are that the MBA is 1.5 lbs lighter, USB3, a slightly better integrated GPU and a higher resolution screen but with the MBP I'll have 8Gb RAM, 512 internal SSD, a more powerful CPU (and to me the MBP feels sturdier than the 13" MBA) and it will only cost me $85.30 more than the MBA.

With the Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge CPU/GPU platforms being so close together performance wise = I think the MBP is the better choice for me to keep for the next few years until Broadwell hits the MBA line = then maybe the 11" MBA will have battery life close to what the larger models get now:eek:

Agent-P
Oct 27, 2012, 10:49 PM
Since you said you plan to keep your computer for three years, I'd say go with the 8gb option. Since you can't upgrade it yourself, this is your only chance to increase it. It'll future proof it for newer versions of OSX and (as others have said) it'll give you more vRAM.

I used to have 4gb RAM in my MBP and I used to run low on RAM because I work on multiple things at once. So when I got my MBA this summer, I opted for 8gb RAM.

Dick Whitman
Oct 28, 2012, 01:37 PM
Ugh is 8 gb really necessary? When I get my Air I don't want to have to wait a week to get it and then have to wait another week if for any reason I would need to exchange it. There is something particularly more enticing about instant gratification and going into the Apple store and making a slight ordeal of purchasing a new laptop right then and there and on the spot.

Sure I multitask but I don't do anything really crazy. Plus I saw videos on YouTube of people streaming multiple videos while running programs in the background and everything worked fine at 4 gb.

fedup flyer
Oct 28, 2012, 03:05 PM
Then what explains all the threads asking this question? :confused:

Because so many people refuse to use the magic known as the search button.

Lindberg
Oct 28, 2012, 04:29 PM
Ugh is 8 gb really necessary? When I get my Air I don't want to have to wait a week to get it and then have to wait another week if for any reason I would need to exchange it. There is something particularly more enticing about instant gratification and going into the Apple store and making a slight ordeal of purchasing a new laptop right then and there and on the spot.

Sure I multitask but I don't do anything really crazy. Plus I saw videos on YouTube of people streaming multiple videos while running programs in the background and everything worked fine at 4 gb.

I think 8 gb is overkill unless you run Windows and OSX simultaneously or do heavy multi tasking. All that talk about future proofing is nonsens. No matter how many gb of ram you buy now you will stil be stocked with the same CPU and GPU and 4 gb or 8 gb ram is nowhere near as important in that picture.

Dick Whitman
Oct 28, 2012, 05:06 PM
I think 8 gb is overkill unless you run Windows and OSX simultaneously or do heavy multi tasking. All that talk about future proofing is nonsens. No matter how many gb of ram you buy now you will stil be stocked with the same CPU and GPU and 4 gb or 8 gb ram is nowhere near as important in that picture.

Plus it's already painful enough that I'm spending $1200 on a laptop. Do I really want to spend a $100 more? Not really.

Yebubbleman
Oct 28, 2012, 05:09 PM
Ugh is 8 gb really necessary? When I get my Air I don't want to have to wait a week to get it and then have to wait another week if for any reason I would need to exchange it. There is something particularly more enticing about instant gratification and going into the Apple store and making a slight ordeal of purchasing a new laptop right then and there and on the spot.

Sure I multitask but I don't do anything really crazy. Plus I saw videos on YouTube of people streaming multiple videos while running programs in the background and everything worked fine at 4 gb.

Wait an extra week to get an extra year or two of life out of the machine...seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Also, ****ing awesome username by the way. That show is win.

I think 8 gb is overkill unless you run Windows and OSX simultaneously or do heavy multi tasking. All that talk about future proofing is nonsens. No matter how many gb of ram you buy now you will stil be stocked with the same CPU and GPU and 4 gb or 8 gb ram is nowhere near as important in that picture.

...Until a version of OS X comes out that supports that generation of Mac but requires a minimum of 8GB...

Not being able to run the latest version of OS X isn't a problem, but it's only a matter of time before you're two behind and at that point, you stop being able to receive updates to basic things like Safari and Adobe Flash Player. Being able to run the latest version of OS X forestalls that. Apple has been, with the exception of Mountain Lion, been doubling the minimum RAM requirement from 10.3 through 10.7. It's safe to say that, especially with Mountain Lion abandoning the 32-bit kernel, they wil up the RAM requirement again soon. So yeah, future proofing, it's a real consideration.



Plus it's already painful enough that I'm spending $1200 on a laptop. Do I really want to spend a $100 more? Not really.

Yes, it's an overpriced computer, and yes, it's a pricey RAM upgrade. If you want it to last you a year or two longer, quit whining and just get the upgrade.

Dick Whitman
Oct 28, 2012, 09:44 PM
Wait an extra week to get an extra year or two of life out of the machine...seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Also, ****ing awesome username by the way. That show is win.



...Until a version of OS X comes out that supports that generation of Mac but requires a minimum of 8GB...

Not being able to run the latest version of OS X isn't a problem, but it's only a matter of time before you're two behind and at that point, you stop being able to receive updates to basic things like Safari and Adobe Flash Player. Being able to run the latest version of OS X forestalls that. Apple has been, with the exception of Mountain Lion, been doubling the minimum RAM requirement from 10.3 through 10.7. It's safe to say that, especially with Mountain Lion abandoning the 32-bit kernel, they wil up the RAM requirement again soon. So yeah, future proofing, it's a real consideration.





Yes, it's an overpriced computer, and yes, it's a pricey RAM upgrade. If you want it to last you a year or two longer, quit whining and just get the upgrade.

Thanks and yeah guess I'll have to.

TheRichboy247
Oct 28, 2012, 10:39 PM
...Until a version of OS X comes out that supports that generation of Mac but requires a minimum of 8GB...

Not being able to run the latest version of OS X isn't a problem, but it's only a matter of time before you're two behind and at that point, you stop being able to receive updates to basic things like Safari and Adobe Flash Player. Being able to run the latest version of OS X forestalls that. Apple has been, with the exception of Mountain Lion, been doubling the minimum RAM requirement from 10.3 through 10.7. It's safe to say that, especially with Mountain Lion abandoning the 32-bit kernel, they wil up the RAM requirement again soon. So yeah, future proofing, it's a real consideration.

I doubt there will be OSX upgrades that will require 8GB's of RAM minimum in the period the OP is going to use the computer. 8GB's of RAM is just like insurance in this case.

jrasero
Nov 2, 2012, 12:02 PM
I am glad your looking a refurbs

got my 13" MBA 2012 i7, 256GB 8Gb for $1450

The 13" i7, 512GB, 8GB refurb is $1870 but I guess after taxes your right it's $2000

While the one with 4GB is less money 8GB really is worth it since the ram helps with the Intel 4000 and if you plan to have the computer for 2-3 years it will help down the road.

So do you need the absolute maxed out MBA with 512? I didn't think I did and got the refurb 256GB and I think I actually got the last one off the refurb site because after I ordered they took down the option I bought

I would wait until a i7, 256GB, 8GB comes along the refurb website

the the premium to go to 512GB is too much but 8GB is def worth it