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TheBama
Oct 26, 2012, 09:40 AM
I like the packaging. Heavy box. All the seals have pull tabs for damage free opening and removal of the product. Tablet itself is completely covered in plastic.

The keyboard magnets are strong, and "snapped" the cover into place without me having to fiddle to get the contacts right. The keyboard is wonderful. Much easier to use than a virtual keyboard. Set-up is identical to Windows 8.

After set-up my Start page had all my settings from my 8 install, including my Facebook updates and desktop settings.

http://www.surfaceforums.net/forum/attachments/microsoft-surface-general-discussion/67d1351261068-surface-rt-unboxing-thoughts-pics-dscn0440.jpg

http://www.surfaceforums.net/forum/attachments/microsoft-surface-general-discussion/65d1351260814-surface-rt-unboxing-thoughts-pics-dscn0436.jpg



AFPoster
Oct 26, 2012, 09:49 AM
Just got mine 10 min ago. Still unopened

SilentPanda
Oct 26, 2012, 09:50 AM
Nice! That keyboard cover seems very cool! I don't have need for another tablet but glad to see some more competition in the marketplace. Let us know what you think after a week or so of use.

DingleButt
Oct 26, 2012, 10:43 AM
Awesome! Post up more about it after you use it more since you have Win8 too.

Sensamic
Oct 26, 2012, 01:02 PM
I'm sooooooo jealous! :D:D:D

I was thinking of buying one, but some reviews threw me back, mainly that's it's more heavy and bulky than the iPad (which was obvious from the beginning, I know), the awkward screen aspect ratio when in portrait and some early software bugs.

I think it's more of a pc than a tablet. Maybe I'll look at Asus if they are thinner and lighter.

Tell us everything you can about your new machines! I want to know everything :D:D

Night Spring
Oct 26, 2012, 01:35 PM
After set-up my Start page had all my settings from my 8 install, including my Facebook updates and desktop settings.

What do you do if you DON'T want to replicate your desktop settings on your tablet? Or you want some things synced, but not others? For instance, I might want my Facebook settings to be the same on my desktop and tablet, but want a different home screen layout for each.

geek36
Oct 26, 2012, 02:00 PM
nice!

will probably wait for x86 version to replace my laptop.

DingleButt
Oct 26, 2012, 03:11 PM
What do you do if you DON'T want to replicate your desktop settings on your tablet? Or you want some things synced, but not others? For instance, I might want my Facebook settings to be the same on my desktop and tablet, but want a different home screen layout for each.

In settings you choose what to sync

Night Spring
Oct 26, 2012, 03:30 PM
In settings you choose what to sync

Good to know, thanks!

Stuntman06
Oct 26, 2012, 03:32 PM
I would still prefer a tactile feel to the keyboard when I depress the keys. The review that I saw for this device indicate that the keyboard feels like a touch screen keyboard without the screen. I hate touch screen keyboards.

beyondthepale35
Oct 26, 2012, 03:36 PM
I would still prefer a tactile feel to the keyboard when I depress the keys. The review that I saw for this device indicate that the keyboard feels like a touch screen keyboard without the screen. I hate touch screen keyboards.

I got to play around for a little bit in the store today, its definitely an improvement over a touch screen keyboard. The touch cover is quite responsive and I have no doubt after a week i could type close to my normal typing speed on it. And if you prefer tactile, the type cover is always an option.

pesos
Oct 26, 2012, 03:43 PM
Nice! Still waiting for mine to arrive. Will be doing a short more enterprise-oriented review focusing on ActiveSync, Office, RDP/Citrix, etc...

PhoneI
Oct 26, 2012, 04:03 PM
Got mine today too. I like the device, but I dont love it. The screen resolution is a major problem. I will not be using the Win8 Kindle app a lot because the lower resolution really bothers my eyes. It also doesn't help that I HATE the Windows 8 font.

Other than that, Windows 8 seems to be pretty fun. I dont know if its because its new or what, but I like it.

One last thing, who was the genius at MS that came up with the idea to refuse to sell the 64GB version without the touch cover. I wanted to buy the Type cover and I couldn't.

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I'm sooooooo jealous! :D:D:D

I was thinking of buying one, but some reviews threw me back, mainly that's it's more heavy and bulky than the iPad (which was obvious from the beginning, I know), the awkward screen aspect ratio when in portrait and some early software bugs.

I think it's more of a pc than a tablet. Maybe I'll look at Asus if they are thinner and lighter.

Tell us everything you can about your new machines! I want to know everything :D:D

While it might not be, it feels far heavier than the iPad3 in your hand. Portrait is also useless. I will say that the Asus Win8 RT tablet is extremely light.

Renzatic
Oct 26, 2012, 04:08 PM
I'm sooooooo jealous! :D:D:D

I was thinking of buying one, but some reviews threw me back, mainly that's it's more heavy and bulky than the iPad.

From what I've heard, it weighs just as much, and is about 1mm thinner than the iPad at its thickest point. The reason it looks fatter is because it doesn't have as extreme a taper towards the edge.

Faux Carnival
Oct 26, 2012, 04:17 PM
Looks really elegant. No doubt feels elegant too.

PhoneI
Oct 26, 2012, 04:29 PM
From what I've heard, it weighs just as much, and is about 1mm thinner than the iPad at its thickest point. The reason it looks fatter is because it doesn't have as extreme a taper towards the edge.

It is about the same weight, but it feels a lot heavier in hand. Probably has something to do with the weight distribution.

mcman77
Oct 26, 2012, 04:46 PM
very nice! Is that windows RT guys?

I'm really looking forward to UK pricing on a core i3.

Renzatic
Oct 26, 2012, 04:48 PM
It is about the same weight, but it feels a lot heavier in hand. Probably has something to do with the weight distribution.

Yeah, I could see that. It's longer and thinner, which probably makes it feel a little more awkward than the iPad. Specially if you hold it with one hand.

beyondthepale35
Oct 26, 2012, 04:48 PM
very nice! Is that windows RT guys?

I'm really looking forward to UK pricing on a core i3.

Yep, Surface only comes with RT as of now. Pro is supposedly coming out in January with full Windows 8.

Vetvito
Oct 26, 2012, 04:50 PM
It's RT.

Surface Pro not due until next year.

mcman77
Oct 26, 2012, 04:54 PM
Yep, Surface only comes with RT as of now. Pro is supposedly coming out in January with full Windows 8.

thanks, is there a list anywhere so I can find out what program (apps) can run on which OS version?

beyondthepale35
Oct 26, 2012, 04:57 PM
thanks, is there a list anywhere so I can find out what program (apps) can run on which OS version?

RT only runs pre-approved Windows apps through the Microsoft store. It has no capability to run legacy apps from previous Windows versions. Pro will be able to run any Windows program from previous generations in theory.

DingleButt
Oct 26, 2012, 06:01 PM
RT only runs pre-approved Windows apps through the Microsoft store. It has no capability to run legacy apps from previous Windows versions. Pro will be able to run any Windows program from previous generations in theory.

Just to clarify it runs legacy apps that were built for ARM by Microsoft such as Notepad, Office RT, calc and such, but NOT 3rd party desktop apps.

Btw to the guy that was asking, heres the sync part of options

mcman77
Oct 26, 2012, 06:10 PM
Just to clarify it runs legacy apps that were built for ARM by Microsoft such as Notepad, Office RT, calc and such, but NOT 3rd party desktop apps.

Btw to the guy that was asking, heres the sync part of options

RT only runs pre-approved Windows apps through the Microsoft store. It has no capability to run legacy apps from previous Windows versions. Pro will be able to run any Windows program from previous generations in theory.


Thanks guys :)

Night Spring
Oct 26, 2012, 07:08 PM
One last thing, who was the genius at MS that came up with the idea to refuse to sell the 64GB version without the touch cover. I wanted to buy the Type cover and I couldn't.

That was my thought too. I suppose you could buy the Type Cover in addition to the 64Gb+touch cover bundle, but then you'd be left with a cover you aren't using.

Fortunately, there's a Microsoft popup store near me, so I'll be dropping by to try the covers before buying one. If I buy a Surface at all, that is. It's an intriguing idea, but I'm far from convinced that it's actually usable.

Btw to the guy that was asking, heres the sync part of options

Thank you, good to see it's very customizable.

aaronchow
Oct 26, 2012, 08:35 PM
I just played with a demo unit and it is beautiful! Just curious, does anyone know if Microsoft will plan to release Visual Studio on Windows RT? This can be a serious programming machine if they do. Can't wait for the Pro to be releases!

PhoneI
Oct 26, 2012, 09:41 PM
I just played with a demo unit and it is beautiful! Just curious, does anyone know if Microsoft will plan to release Visual Studio on Windows RT? This can be a serious programming machine if they do. Can't wait for the Pro to be releases!

No shot

MacRumorUser
Oct 26, 2012, 09:48 PM
I just played with a demo unit and it is beautiful! Just curious, does anyone know if Microsoft will plan to release Visual Studio on Windows RT? This can be a serious programming machine if they do. Can't wait for the Pro to be releases!

About as much chance as apple releasing Xcode for programming directly on the iPad mini....

Rogifan
Oct 26, 2012, 11:13 PM
Des anyone know why the bundled products only come with the black touch cover and if you purchase the 32GB without cover and then purchase a different color it's more expensive? Also why no option to buy the 64GB without touch cover? So if you want a touch cover in a color other than black OR If you prefer the type cover you're out another $120-$130 and then you're stuck with two covers (one you didn't want in the first place). And people complain about Apple ripping you off...

MacRumorUser
Oct 27, 2012, 02:12 AM
Des anyone know why the bundled products only come with the black touch cover and if you purchase the 32GB without cover and then purchase a different color it's more expensive? Also why no option to buy the 64GB without touch cover? So if you want a touch cover in a color other than black OR If you prefer the type cover you're out another $120-$130 and then you're stuck with two covers (one you didn't want in the first place). And people complain about Apple ripping you off...

I assume its currently because they are trying to supply initial demand so have kept 'choice' to a minimum. Though by same token it does seem silly and counter intuitive to restrict users choices or force choices on them.

The 64gb should come with choice to have no cover,
Likewise both should come with option to choose any color touch cover, or the type cover.

I'm sure these options will be added after initial release, but it does suck for those early consumers / adopters which companies should really take better care of..

tillsbury
Oct 27, 2012, 03:27 AM
So how much space is available with all the apps loaded? Some snarky comments have said that although the SRT has 32Gb vs iPads 16gb there's a lot of that used up before you start...

AFPoster
Oct 27, 2012, 08:45 AM
Received my Surface yesterday via mail from MS Store online. Already schedule to return the device. It's disappointing that the video quality is horrible (worse than 1st gen iPad), picture quality is lacking in a major way and I don't feel like having my CC in another universe buying apps that aren't compatible with all of the Apple products I have.

I will say however it is a very cool product, everything Microsoft looks crisp, bright and incredible. Just not my cup of tea, the iPad mini blows this thing away as does the iPad 2.

Sensamic
Oct 28, 2012, 05:15 PM
Something I still haven't heard is the way the surface and any other Windows 8 tablets will receive updates, and what kind of updates.

Is it like iOS and Android? Do you receive updates directly from Microsoft without delays even on an Asus tablet? Is there going to be Windows 8.1 or 9 next year? Or is it only going to receive service packs and such?

Still don't understand how the updates work on Windows 8 and Windows phone 8.

Stuntman06
Oct 28, 2012, 11:10 PM
I got a chance to try out the Surface tablets at the mall this weekend. I was actually impressed with it. I tried both keyboards and found both were comfortable to type on. The touch sensitive keyboard does require a bit of pressure before it registers a key press. This means I can rest my fingers on it and feel around to ensure I am about to press the correct key. The only thing is you cannot disable the track pad. I found I accidentally hit it a number of times when typing.

I tried it twice. The first time I was a bit confused as it was so different. The second time I went back the next day and was able to navigate a bit more easily. It is different and will take some getting used to, but that is the case for anything new.

I mostly tried out Word and Excel and it does feel a lot like the PC versions. That is what I find lacking with my current Transformer tablet.

As I currently have purchased my laptop and tablet just last year, I do not plan on getting a Surface tablet or any new Win8 devices in the near future. When it does come time to upgrade my PC/tablet, I do feel I will consider getting a single device instead of both a PC and tablet. My preference would be something like my Transformer tablet in terms of form factor. I much prefer the Transformer tablet and doc more so than the Surface ones I have seen this weekend.

DrNoellyG
Oct 29, 2012, 02:15 AM
I got mine on Saturday. Works great and I enjoy it a lot. I have been using it almost exclusively since. Comparing it to the iPad in terms of battery life for example, I found that in similar usage, the Surface gets roughly 90% the battery time of the iPad 3. The screen itself is very good in every situation, but the retina display on the iPad is definitely better when viewing images that can take advantage of it.

Regarding apps, there is a small selection of apps compared to the iTunes app store. Facebook app not being there is no problem for me since I use the browser anyway, but some games and a few "niche" apps that I'm used to having are not there and this somehow lessens my experience. This is very subjective of course.

The look and feel to it are excellent, and comparing it to the iPad depends on each person, for me they both feel great.

I got both the touch cover (came with Surface) and bought the type cover. Touch cover is amazing and really after almost 2 days with it I'm already typing at full speed. Type cover though is more natural coming from the keyboard side of things, both definitely faster than typing on the iPad and also allow for the screen not to be using up space on displaying a keyboard.

Cameras are not extraordinary but both work great for Skype which, for me at least, is the only use I have for both cameras on my current iPad.

Overall, great computer/tablet. My real testing will begin tomorrow when I take it to work and use it for my daily tasks. I will definitely keep it and maybe put off buying and iPad 4 and iPad mini for after next year's event in the Spring (if rumors of new versions come out).

Finally, I can't believe that Microsoft got the hardware so right and had a few misses on the software. While Windows RT flows and is never slow, the fact that the Desktop still feels awkward to touch and you really have to do some precise touching when dealing with some windows is distracting, more so when the tile interface is so easy to touch and even natural in some way.

Renzatic
Oct 29, 2012, 02:31 AM
Finally, I can't believe that Microsoft got the hardware so right and had a few misses on the software. While Windows RT flows and is never slow, the fact that the Desktop still feels awkward to touch and you really have to do some precise touching when dealing with some windows is distracting, more so when the tile interface is so easy to touch and even natural in some way.

The only reason you've got a desktop in the RT version is because MS couldn't break Office completely away from it in enough time. I'd say by the time Windows 9 comes out, the touch rev probably won't have it in there at all.

...which kinda worries me about the actual desktop/laptop rev of Win9. MS has said its a legacy feature these days, which means they'll likely be moving away from it if RT takes off. Makes me wonder what Metro style thing they'll be replacing it with, and if it's gonna be just as good at multitasking and moving files around as the oldschool desktop is. There's a reason why windowed environments haven't changed all that much in the last 25 odd years...

MacRumorUser
Oct 29, 2012, 03:18 AM
The only reason you've got a desktop in the RT version is because MS couldn't break Office completely away from it in enough time.

And yet try to explain that to the folks that think Office really is coming to the iPad still... ;)

Renzatic
Oct 29, 2012, 05:26 AM
Hey, it might be. After all this time, I bet they've gotten to the point where you can now add paragraphs.

It was a big milestone for them. They celebrated with coke and hookers.

VulchR
Oct 29, 2012, 06:02 AM
Is there some advantage of the Surface over using a bluetooth keyboard with an iPad? I'd particularity value the opinion of somebody who has tried both.

Before the flaming starts, I need to get a tablet mostly for work purposes. I had been thinking of getting an iPad because Android doesn't really appeal to me (and my employer is concerned about security problems with Android). However, the Surface seems like an interesting concept to me.

Renzatic
Oct 29, 2012, 06:18 AM
Is there some advantage of the Surface over using a bluetooth keyboard with an iPad? I'd particularity value the opinion of somebody who has tried both.

I haven't used the Surface yet, but I do use my iPad with the Apple bluetooth keyboard quite a bit.

For me, I think the biggest advantage would be portability. The thing is basically a smartcover you can type on. If you need it, you just unfold it, and it's always there. This is opposed to the iPad, where if I want to use the keyboard while I'm out and about, I have to carry it out alongside.

It's not a huge, huge, huge deal, but the keyboard cover does make for a slightly sleeker, more comfortable package.

VulchR
Oct 29, 2012, 07:21 AM
I haven't used the Surface yet, but I do use my iPad with the Apple bluetooth keyboard quite a bit.

For me, I think the biggest advantage would be portability. The thing is basically a smartcover you can type on. If you need it, you just unfold it, and it's always there. This is opposed to the iPad, where if I want to use the keyboard while I'm out and about, I have to carry it out alongside.

It's not a huge, huge, huge deal, but the keyboard cover does make for a slightly sleeker, more comfortable package.

Thank you - but I thought Keyboard covers were also available for the iPad (e.g., Logitech, Crux, Brydge). Admittedly, most of the ones I've seen lack a track pad, and they appear to be bulky, so perhaps they are not as useful as the ones available for the Surface. In any case, I wish somebody would do a side-by-side review....

TheBama
Oct 29, 2012, 10:19 AM
Is it like iOS and Android? Do you receive updates directly from Microsoft without delays even on an Asus tablet? Is there going to be Windows 8.1 or 9 next year? Or is it only going to receive service packs and such?

Still don't understand how the updates work on Windows 8 and Windows phone 8.

On the Surface it is just like Windows. You use Windows Update and get the software directly from them. Already got the full version of Office 2013

spinedoc77
Oct 29, 2012, 10:46 AM
On the Surface it is just like Windows. You use Windows Update and get the software directly from them. Already got the full version of Office 2013

Yep, no more delays waiting for manufacturer and/or carrier approval.

zhenya
Oct 29, 2012, 10:56 AM
Thank you - but I thought Keyboard covers were also available for the iPad (e.g., Logitech, Crux, Brydge). Admittedly, most of the ones I've seen lack a track pad, and they appear to be bulky, so perhaps they are not as useful as the ones available for the Surface. In any case, I wish somebody would do a side-by-side review....

The available keyboards for the iPad are much bulkier than the touch cover. As said above, it's basically a smart cover you can type on. It also folds flat against the back when not in use, whereas at least the Logitech keyboard does not.

Other benefits are that it communicates and is powered directly by the Surface, rather than having to have a separate battery and bluetooth connection.

MacRumorUser
Oct 29, 2012, 11:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW1h5D-Cm4Y

Great walkthrough of the Surface RT

VulchR
Oct 29, 2012, 12:43 PM
Surface looks interesting, but it seems to be somewhat slower than I thought it would be. I like the physical form a little better than the iPad though.