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77sunsetstrip
Oct 28, 2012, 02:35 PM
I've had a Nexus 7 for a month and used it every day. It was initially fun to use. I really tried to like it. Now it's torture. I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive and the apps that I have used are laughable. Period.

I can't wait to receive my iPad mini.

Check the following link, all of which I agree with.

http://www.zdnet.com/ipad-mini-is-more-than-just-the-sum-of-its-hardware-7000006354/



Dolorian
Oct 28, 2012, 02:39 PM
Good for you :)

blackhand1001
Oct 28, 2012, 02:41 PM
All I needed to do is take one look at the author of that articles picture and know that he would side with apple even if it had the old a4 chip.

MacRumorUser
Oct 28, 2012, 02:42 PM
I've had a Nexus 7 for a month and used it every day. It was initially fun to use. I really tried to like it. Now it's torture. I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive and the apps that I have used are laughable. Period.

I can't wait to receive my iPad mini.

Check the following link, all of which I agree with.

http://www.zdnet.com/ipad-mini-is-more-than-just-the-sum-of-its-hardware-7000006354/


Why post this in 'this section' of the forum when it obviously is only going to draw a flamewar, unless of course that was the entire point....

zbarvian
Oct 28, 2012, 02:43 PM
Yeah the dude in that article is overbearing, I would get an iPad mini but I'll wait until the next one. I'm gonna sell my iPad 2 in the meantime.

MacRumorUser
Oct 28, 2012, 02:45 PM
All I needed to do is take one look at the author of that articles picture and know that he would side with apple even if it had the old a4 chip.

Sorry but that is just as inane as the original post.

You may disagree with his viewpoint, but to do so only by the way they look is very prejudiced.

blackhand1001
Oct 28, 2012, 02:56 PM
Sorry but that is just as inane as the original post.

You may disagree with his viewpoint, but to do so only by the way they look is very prejudiced.

It has nothing to do with his physical body or face. It all has to do with how he dresses and presents himself things that people determine theirselves. That is all a matter of choice. I don't think it is wrong to judge people on these kind of aspects as it does in fact reflect their character.

Not to mention I have the read the authors other work and recognize him. I knew immediately that this would be an anti android piece of literature.

77sunsetstrip
Oct 28, 2012, 03:09 PM
You can't deal with the fact that some people may hate Android because they really believe it's junk. It's only explainable as far as you are concerned if you assume that the person is prejudiced or suffering from a mental problem or is a total idiot. Well you are wrong. I used the Nexus 7 for a month, every day. I tried numerous apps. I wanted to like it. I got to know Android software really well. I found that Android stinks in comparison to iOS.

cynics
Oct 28, 2012, 03:22 PM
You can't deal with the fact that some people may hate Android because they really believe it's junk. It's only explainable as far as you are concerned if you assume that the person is prejudiced or suffering from a mental problem or is a total idiot. Well you are wrong. I used the Nexus 7 for a month, every day. I tried numerous apps. I wanted to like it. I got to know Android software really well. I found that Android stinks in comparison to iOS.

Yet you have no comparisons or what you didn't like etc etc.

This is as much trolling as if I posted the same thread in the iPhone section and replaced Android with iOS. It has no other purpose then to crap on a product you don't like which is not the point of this section, just like people that frequent this section don't post threads like this on the iPhone section.

All you said is you didn't like the apps. What didn't you like about them? They are made by the same devs that make them for iOS. Or were you just here to throw a little (typical) temper tantrum?

ReanimationN
Oct 28, 2012, 03:29 PM
I don't know if you're trolling or not, but I agree with you. I bought the Nexus 7 about 6 weeks ago and initially loved it, now it's become slow, even more jerky than it was new (scrolling was jerky out of the box) and the quality of the apps suck. They really do. And I can't even do a reinstallation of the OS as I'll lose everything from my tablet, as you have to unlock and root Android in order to get a decent backup system going. I can't be bothered fiddling with it any more in order to get it to perform adequately, so I'm going to sell it. Android seems to have a lot of apologists on here, I don't really understand why, it's not like you have to go with Apple if you don't get an Android- Windows 8 tablets are out now and people are giving them solid reviews (on that note, I really wish there was a way to try a Surface out here in Australia before buying one).

Personally, I'm probably just going to use my iPhone 5 until next January and then I'll see what the Surface Pro is like before I delve into the tablet world again.

Rodster
Oct 28, 2012, 03:35 PM
And I can't even do a reinstallation of the OS as I'll lose everything from my tablet, as you have to unlock and root Android in order to get a decent backup system going.

You should have tried this backup method. :)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29550640

77sunsetstrip
Oct 28, 2012, 03:43 PM
No I'm not trolling.

I tried the Windows Lumia 900 at an AT&T store. Beautiful. Much smoother and silkier and more 21st century than 20th century primitive Android. But I've checked Windows phone apps and they are paltry for now. I wish Microsoft luck, because they are pushing in the right direction and giving it a really good try.

For those that haven't been yet, I recommend a trip to a Microsoft store. Microsoft has come a long way.

Incidentally, I have a Mac. Our household uses only Apple products, Macs, iPhones and iPads, because they are so good. So it's a sign of my lack of prejudice that I can say that I admire Microsoft's products. I just want quality products that work very well.

IFRIT
Oct 28, 2012, 06:18 PM
I've had a Nexus 7 for a month and used it every day. It was initially fun to use. I really tried to like it. Now it's torture. I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive and the apps that I have used are laughable. Period.

I can't wait to receive my iPad mini.

Check the following link, all of which I agree with.

http://www.zdnet.com/ipad-mini-is-more-than-just-the-sum-of-its-hardware-7000006354/

You fail at the trolling.

flopticalcube
Oct 28, 2012, 07:21 PM
Is it too late to say "Cool story, bro"?

Vegastouch
Oct 28, 2012, 07:24 PM
You can't deal with the fact that some people may hate Android because they really believe it's junk. It's only explainable as far as you are concerned if you assume that the person is prejudiced or suffering from a mental problem or is a total idiot. Well you are wrong. I used the Nexus 7 for a month, every day. I tried numerous apps. I wanted to like it. I got to know Android software really well. I found that Android stinks in comparison to iOS.

Its not junk. It just isnt for you and thats ok.

As for that article, he asked "if you were offered a Kindel, a N7 or a iPad mini for free, which would you choose"?
Even i would choose the iPad mini. Then id sell it and get a 32GB N7 and keep the profits.

marc11
Oct 28, 2012, 07:47 PM
Its not junk. It just isnt for you and thats ok.

As for that article, he asked "if you were offered a Kindel, a N7 or a iPad mini for free, which would you choose"?
Even i would choose the iPad mini. Then id sell it and get a 32GB N7 and keep the profits.

Yeah that was such an idiotic question. Gee, you are offering me three devices for free and I would not pick the most expensive one WHY? And somehow that proves the mini is better? Oh and I love the way the writer plays up every thing on the mini but ignores every positive about the Nexus. So Apple maps suck, (his words) so just use Google maps...oooooh but google maps are already on the Nexus 7 with its built in GPS! Oh, on the road with no wifi on your mini and want to use GPS...sorry.

And somehow Apple mail for iOS is better than the Gmail app? Sorry no it isn't. Oh and what about notification center, sorry Jelly Beans shutter BLOWS AWAY Apples lame attempt at notification center. Then he talks about lag and stability, utter BS saying the Nexus 7 is laggy or instable...how about how my iPhone likes to respring (not jailbroken) all the time since iOS 6 when opening an iMessage??

Don't get me wrong, I love Apple too, I have two Macs, two iPads an ipod touch and three Apple TV's but facts are facts, Jelly Bean is better than iOS right now IMHO and the Nexus 7 is far better than the iPad 2, which makes it far better than the iPad mini IMHO of course.

At the end of the day there are two strong factors, a personal like for a paticular OS and your investment in an ecosystem. I prefer OSX over Windows, and up until Jelly Bean I prefered iOS over Android. But that tables of turned for me, and I find Jelly Bean far better than iOS. as for ecosystem, I can live without my iTunes movies and shows on the go. I personally didn't by a 7 inch tablet to watch shows, but rather for music, GPS, books, magazines and several productivity apps. For that, the Nexus 7 is the better device, with the better OS at the better price.

77sunsetstrip
Oct 28, 2012, 08:53 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love Apple too, I have two Macs, two iPads an ipod touch and three Apple TV's but facts are facts, Jelly Bean is better than iOS right now IMHO and the Nexus 7 is far better than the iPad 2, which makes it far better than the iPad mini IMHO of course.

I've got to tell you, I am genuinely surprised that you find "Jelly Bean is better than iOS right now." You and I are comparing Apple and Android and arriving at opposite conclusions. How can that be?

Can I ask you, do you use any RSS apps?

blackhand1001
Oct 28, 2012, 09:20 PM
I've got to tell you, I am genuinely surprised that you find "Jelly Bean is better than iOS right now." You and I are comparing Apple and Android and arriving at opposite conclusions. How can that be?

Can I ask you, do you use any RSS apps?

Greader is a very good RSS reader. There are tons of others this was the first result when I typed in RSS.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/4956/screenshot2012102822171.png

77sunsetstrip
Oct 28, 2012, 09:25 PM
There are multiple RSS readers on Android. I have tried pretty much all of them. None of them are in the same league as the RSS readers on iOS. If you are not a regular RSS user, it's kinda difficult to explain. (I don't mean to be patronizing.)

blackhand1001
Oct 28, 2012, 09:27 PM
There are multiple RSS readers on Android. I have tried pretty much all of them. None of them are in the same league as the RSS readers on iOS. If you are not a regular RSS user, it's kinda difficult to explain. (I don't mean to be patronizing.)

What exactly do you mean by same league. What features are the android ones missing.

marc11
Oct 28, 2012, 09:28 PM
I've got to tell you, I am genuinely surprised that you find "Jelly Bean is better than iOS right now." You and I are comparing Apple and Android and arriving at opposite conclusions. How can that be?

Can I ask you, do you use any RSS apps?

No I do not use RSS apps. We are different people, we see things differently. I like the flexability, multiple pages and widgets of Android a lot. I love being able to swipe left and right and seeing the weather, my inbox, my to do list and my cal without opening an app, not just pages and pages of icons, I want information, not deciding which app to open to get that information. I love being able to tap the recently used apps button and seeing windows of my recent apps, not icons. I love having folders in the dock. It just seems more fluid to me.

I think the key difference is that iOS is still very much single icon/app focused, where Android is workflow and information focused. Apple seems to like action, I want to see my email so I must open the email app, Android takes the approach of information, here is what is in your inbox, do you want to read it or move on to do something else.

We know that folders and notification center were a catch up after thought for Apple, much like task switching, and I expected Apple to improve on this, but they haven't. The double tapping of the home button to see a limited list of a few icons of "running" apps, just feels old and offers very little value over just clicking the icon from the page and opening it.

ixodes
Oct 28, 2012, 09:35 PM
:pI've had a Nexus 7 for a month and used it every day. It was initially fun to use. I really tried to like it. Now it's torture. I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive
Oh my, we certainly hear your position.

Perhaps with some luck, the act of burning it will make up for the torture you suffered.

Apple would never subject you to such a thing.

tech4all
Oct 29, 2012, 12:42 AM
Is it too late to say "Cool story, bro"?

It's never too late for that!

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/50254_316419649465_2670981_n.jpg


I've had a Nexus 7 for a month and used it every day. It was initially fun to use. I really tried to like it. Now it's torture. I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive and the apps that I have used are laughable. Period.

I can't wait to receive my iPad mini.

Check the following link, all of which I agree with.

http://www.zdnet.com/ipad-mini-is-more-than-just-the-sum-of-its-hardware-7000006354/

I don't know if you're trolling or not, but I agree with you. I bought the Nexus 7 about 6 weeks ago and initially loved it, now it's become slow, even more jerky than it was new (scrolling was jerky out of the box) and the quality of the apps suck. They really do. And I can't even do a reinstallation of the OS as I'll lose everything from my tablet, as you have to unlock and root Android in order to get a decent backup system going. I can't be bothered fiddling with it any more in order to get it to perform adequately, so I'm going to sell it. Android seems to have a lot of apologists on here, I don't really understand why, it's not like you have to go with Apple if you don't get an Android- Windows 8 tablets are out now and people are giving them solid reviews (on that note, I really wish there was a way to try a Surface out here in Australia before buying one).

Personally, I'm probably just going to use my iPhone 5 until next January and then I'll see what the Surface Pro is like before I delve into the tablet world again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3My4MHr51c


You can't deal with the fact that some people may hate Android because they really believe it's junk. It's only explainable as far as you are concerned if you assume that the person is prejudiced or suffering from a mental problem or is a total idiot. Well you are wrong. I used the Nexus 7 for a month, every day. I tried numerous apps. I wanted to like it. I got to know Android software really well. I found that Android stinks in comparison to iOS.

HAHA yea say iOS sucks and is a 'toy OS' compared to Android and the iFanBoys man their battle stations. Speak against the :apple: you will suffer. That's the motto you know!

It's kinda like the G.I. theme song. Just replace G.I. Joe with iFanBoy and Cobra with Android and you gotta show!

iFanBoy is a codename for Apple's highly trained customers who are determined to defend the :apple: against Android an alternative OS to iOS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnuGhuNZnFs

You gotta admit that is true. And the same could be said for FanDroids on Android forums.

Yoo Apple!

walie
Oct 29, 2012, 12:51 AM
There are multiple RSS readers on Android. I have tried pretty much all of them. None of them are in the same league as the RSS readers on iOS. If you are not a regular RSS user, it's kinda difficult to explain. (I don't mean to be patronizing.)

I like GReader Pro on my GS3 waaaaaaaaay better than Reeder on my 3rd Gen ipad.

ChazUK
Oct 29, 2012, 01:05 AM
There are multiple RSS readers on Android. I have tried pretty much all of them. None of them are in the same league as the RSS readers on iOS. If you are not a regular RSS user, it's kinda difficult to explain. (I don't mean to be patronizing.)

I've been looking for a decent RSS reader that syncs with Google Reader for a while on my iPhone and I don't mind GReader on my Galaxy Nexus/Nexus 7. Care to share with us which RSS app is the one to beat GReader on iOS so I can give it a whirl?

hot spare
Oct 29, 2012, 03:02 AM
That's perfectly fine if you don't like Android. What I don't understand is the point of posting this article? I could also post another article about my feeling of iOS, but I know that would start a flame war and it would achieve nothing. So, I doubt if you ever have seen a N7, you are here just to start another typical flame war.

MacRumorUser
Oct 29, 2012, 03:09 AM
There are multiple RSS readers on Android. I have tried pretty much all of them. None of them are in the same league as the RSS readers on iOS. If you are not a regular RSS user, it's kinda difficult to explain. (I don't mean to be patronizing.)

And actually the most popular Flipboard and Pulse are pretty much identical to their iOS brethren.

ReanimationN
Oct 29, 2012, 05:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3My4MHr51c

HAHA yea say iOS sucks and is a 'toy OS' compared to Android and the iFanBoys man their battle stations. Speak against the :apple: you will suffer. That's the motto you know!

It's kinda like the G.I. theme song. Just replace G.I. Joe with iFanBoy and Cobra with Android and you gotta show!

iFanBoy is a codename for Apple's highly trained customers who are determined to defend the :apple: against Android an alternative OS to iOS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnuGhuNZnFs

You gotta admit that is true. And the same could be said for FanDroids on Android forums.

Yoo Apple!
I'm honestly not trolling. I don't like iPads, that's why I bought the Nexus 7 in the first place. I think iOS is fine on a phone- the screen's small, so I don't care that the OS is limited. I value performance on my phone and iOS delivers that on a phone- everything is super, super smooth, especially now that I'm on an iPhone 5. iPads feel stupidly limited with the larger screen, yet underpowered apps and heavy limitations on what the OS can do. That's why I thought Android was the solution for a tablet. People all over the web kept saying how good it was thanks to how open it was, that Jelly Bean had solved all the lag issues in the OS, that Dropbox integration made transferring files in and out super easy etc etc.

But what every Android fan seems to sweep under the rug is that performance is still lacking under Jelly Bean. If I drag my finger on my Nexus homescreen, everything lags behind my finger by around half a second. It's not all that noticeable, unless you're coming from an iOS or Windows device where that delay simply doesn't exist, or if it does, is small enough to be imperceptible. Same goes for the browser, leaving my finger on the screen and dragging around makes the OS judder and lurch, with everything happening about .25-.5 of a second later. I can't handle it, it's basic, basic stuff and Android just doesn't have it nailed down perfectly like iOS and Windows.

That's my main issue with it- I can't handle any lag or juddering. I was just about ready to throw my 3GS out the window towards the end of my contract, after it got slower and slower. Performance in the basics is the key to my happiness with a device, everything else is gravy.
As to the gravy, Android's isn't very good. I was missing the Coastalwatch Australian surf check app badly (simply isn't available)- after emailing the developers, they've said they're working on a Windows 8 version but aren't doing an Android or Windows Phone app (they didn't say why). I also missed the ABC iView (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) app, it isn't on Android, the official NRL app isn't on Android (Australian Rugby League)- the Sportsmate Rugby League Live app is, however it won't run on a Nexus 7.

Maybe the app selection is on par in America, but for Australian specific apps, Android is awful. As an aside, all the Office suite apps I tried were bad. Laggy scrolling, delays in letting me select text, delays in changing cursor position, delays in entering text and so on.
I gave Android a good go, but I'm selling my Nexus and waiting for a solid x86 Windows tablet. Maybe the Surface Pro, maybe something by Asus or Samsung. That'd be the ultimate in app selection- tablet specific apps in the Windows Store and Starcraft 2 and MS Office on the desktop side.

VulchR
Oct 29, 2012, 05:19 AM
Why post this in 'this section' of the forum when it obviously is only going to draw a flamewar, unless of course that was the entire point....

Perhaps the OP posted this here because it is the appropriate subforum. Just because this subforum is 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS devices' doesn't mean that everybody has to be positive about Android (indeed there has been some discussion here about the merits of a Windows based tablet), or indeed to conclude that alternatives to iOS are better than iOS.

MacRumorUser
Oct 29, 2012, 05:32 AM
Perhaps the OP posted this here because it is the appropriate subforum. Just because this subforum is 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS devices' doesn't mean that everybody has to be positive about Android (indeed there has been some discussion here about the merits of a Windows based tablet), or indeed to conclude that alternatives to iOS are better than iOS.

Yeah right! And I'm the emperor of China.

You think with the tone and the in-depth original post


I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive and the apps that I have used are laughable. Period.



that the op gave any thought about where best it was to post his insightful and exhaustive hands-on ?

Rather it's merely here to cause a flamewar rather than opening a debate.

If the original poster can only post asinine and somewhat juvenile comments like "i'm going to set it on fire"... rather than take time to post real observations and say this is my problem I am having and why it's not right for me, then its clear the intent is to just stir up trouble rather than focus on intellectual conversation.

That is why I said "why post that here"....

In fact we are having more debate on where he should have posted his little rant than he presents in his opening post, which sums up how vacuous it was/is in the first place.



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That's perfectly fine if you don't like Android. What I don't understand is the point of posting this article? I could also post another article about my feeling of iOS, but I know that would start a flame war and it would achieve nothing. So, I doubt if you ever have seen a N7, you are here just to start another typical flame war.

This is exactly my point.

It certainly wasn't posted to open debate with such silly statements, and therefore we can only assume it was indeed to start a flamewar.


Sorry, but anyone who posts

I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive and the apps that I have used are laughable. Period.


and follows it with

No I'm not trolling.

deserves a :rolleyes:

Agathon
Oct 29, 2012, 05:33 AM
No I'm not trolling.

I tried the Windows Lumia 900 at an AT&T store. Beautiful. Much smoother and silkier and more 21st century than 20th century primitive Android. But I've checked Windows phone apps and they are paltry for now. I wish Microsoft luck, because they are pushing in the right direction and giving it a really good try.

I agree with this 120%. I was genuinely surprised at the quality of Microsoft's phone OS. It seems to me to be a genuine attempt to do something original that seems to have actually worked out well.

Google desperately needs to stamp its authority on its partners to end fragmentation and ensure that all recent Android devices update the latest version of the OS. If they can't do that, then Android is doomed to being second rate as a platform (and that would be bad for various reasons).

Of course it would help if there was actually some perspective about Android.

The problem is its a cause celebre among the free software zealots – many of whom appear to suffer from a mental derangement that forces them to model any and all conflicts in the tech industry (and in much of human life) on the plot of Star Wars.

Don't believe me? All they ever talk about are the plucky freedom loving rebels vs. the totalitarian "Empire" (which used to be Microsoft, but is now Apple).

That's perfectly fine if you don't like Android. What I don't understand is the point of posting this article? I could also post another article about my feeling of iOS, but I know that would start a flame war and it would achieve nothing. So, I doubt if you ever have seen a N7, you are here just to start another typical flame war.

This forum pretty much exists for the purpose of giving anti-Apple malcontents and trolls somewhere where they won't annoy the regular MR readers so much. People who come to an avowed Apple user site to talk up rival products have no leg to stand on when it comes to accusing others of trolling. This forum used to be mostly free of this sort of stuff (with a few notorious exceptions). iOS caused a massive influx of noobs who really lowered the quality of posting.

VulchR
Oct 29, 2012, 05:55 AM
Yeah right! And I'm the emperor of China.
You think with the tone and the in-depth original post


Not quite sure what you're getting at here (in part because the last sentence makes no sense :p) - do you believe that only pro-Android threads belong here? As many know, I was one of the MR users who argued for having this subforum. I didn't think I would visit it very often because Android doesn't really appeal to me and I was tired of the rude tone of many threads in the iPhone forum comparing iOS to Android. However, I must say that once this subforum was opened, the tone of the discussion became less heated, more interesting, and more informative. I'd hate to go back to the bad old days of trolling-vs-not arguments.

MacRumorUser
Oct 29, 2012, 06:06 AM
Not quite sure what you're getting at here (in part because the last sentence makes no sense :p)

The sentence is split in two with the quote between as I am referencing it.

So it should have read :-

You think with the tone and the in-depth original post; "I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive and the apps that I have used are laughable. Period." that the op gave any thought about where best it was to post his insightful and exhaustive hands-on ?



The point is I would not walk into any forum about for example the iPad and make a post that read "I'm going back to android coz iPad sucks so bad I'm going to set it on fire. iOS is pathetic...period.. and not expect that I would be accused of trolling, or posting to start a flame war ?

There is engaging in intellectual debate that we should foster and encourage alongside respecting other peoples opinions. But when the opening thread is so inexhaustibly asinine its hard to engage in any worthwhile discussion, and would make you question if they even want discussion, or just wanted to cause trouble.

VulchR
Oct 29, 2012, 07:10 AM
The sentence is split in two with the quote between as I am referencing it.

So it should have read :-

You think with the tone and the in-depth original post; "I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive and the apps that I have used are laughable. Period." that the op gave any thought about where best it was to post his insightful and exhaustive hands-on ?



The point is I would not walk into any forum about for example the iPad and make a post that read "I'm going back to android coz iPad sucks so bad I'm going to set it on fire. iOS is pathetic...period.. and not expect that I would be accused of trolling, or posting to start a flame war ?

There is engaging in intellectual debate that we should foster and encourage alongside respecting other peoples opinions. But when the opening thread is so inexhaustibly asinine its hard to engage in any worthwhile discussion, and would make you question if they even want discussion, or just wanted to cause trouble.

Ah - I see now. :o Still disagree about whether the OP is trolling, but I can see your point of view because the language the OP used. I think it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between trolling about a device and expressing exasperation about it.

Vandefilm
Oct 29, 2012, 09:04 AM
Yeah right! And I'm the emperor of China.


*Bows down* :D

robanga
Oct 29, 2012, 09:15 AM
I have a bit experience with Android as a tablet OS. I had a borrowed Motorola Xoom tablet for a couple of months late this spring though and it received an upgrade to 4.0 ICS. Thus i had a chance to use it along side my iPad 3.

It obviously is not up to the iPad standard and the amount of apps that are truly written for a tablet continue to be relatively low. (Although scaling of phone apps on Android is a little better experience than on iOS). I expect that that the amount of tablet apps has gone up in the last few months with Google and Android moving more into the market.

App quality when it is written for a tablet is not that big of a delta at all, and Android on a phone is a pretty good experience. That said, if you are in the Apple system why would consider a non-iPad?

77sunsetstrip
Oct 29, 2012, 09:35 AM
But what every Android fan seems to sweep under the rug is that performance is still lacking under Jelly Bean.... Performance in the basics is the key to my happiness with a device, everything else is gravy.... Maybe the app selection is on par in America, but for Australian specific apps, Android is awful."

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The performance is terrible, there is lag, all kinds of rendering an image problems, widgets don't work that well, and the apps are generally poor.

Someone asked about RSS apps on the iPad. Mr. Reader is the best, because it has every conceivable feature. The developer, Oliver Furness, works on improving it every day. Nothing else comes close. Feeddler is also good, but Mr. Reader is much better.

iOS has tools for tools for developing superb RSS apps that Android simply doesn't have. The built-in special RSS browser, the ability to change mobilizer preferences on the fly, the ability to send an entire mobilized article including text and images in the body of an e-mail, and other features that don't exist in the Android RSS development toolkit.

Here's another example of a poor Android app. X-Plane 9. On the iOS version, I land at SFO or Innsbruck and I can see the terminal buildings in 3D. On the Android version, there is just emptiness. I'm not sure why, but it's typical of Android apps. The iOS version is usually far superior to the Android version.

I am setting my Nexus 7 on fire, because that's what it deserves. I can't return the damn thing - it's too late.

daveathall
Oct 29, 2012, 09:50 AM
I have never used an Android tablet, I do have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and previously had iPhones 3GS, 4, 4S and 5. The experience that is portrayed above is not typically that of mine, I don't see lag, image problems or widgets not working, ever.

Rather than set your device on fire why not donate it somewhere for charity, if that is not in your remit, a couple of photos of it on fire would prove good visual entertainment for some members here.

hot spare
Oct 29, 2012, 10:00 AM
I am setting my Nexus 7 on fire, because that what it deserves. I can't return the damn thing - it's too late.

Good.. So what you want us to do? we understand that you are setting your N7 to fire, then freeze it with liquid Nitrogen, and crush it under an asteroid. do you now want a cookie?

Dave.UK
Oct 29, 2012, 10:35 AM
I am setting my Nexus 7 on fire, because that what it deserves. I can't return the damn thing - it's too late.

Send it to me then. I will pay you postage.

Or as I presume, your just trying to play billy big spuds on an internet forum :rolleyes:

robanga
Oct 29, 2012, 10:44 AM
Good.. So what you want us to do? we understand that you are setting your N7 to fire, then freeze it with liquid Nitrogen, and crush it under an asteroid. do you now want a cookie?

I'm liking that liquid nitrogen idea. Imagine the hits on YouTube.

vikingjunior
Oct 29, 2012, 11:55 AM
As a long time Android user last device being the galaxy nexus with jelly bean and project butter there is still something not polished about the device.

I gave up finally on Android and ordered a iphone 5.

kiltedthrower
Oct 29, 2012, 12:08 PM
I'll also take it. I bought my son a nexus 7, and Ive been thinking about buying either the 32 gig data one or a nexus 10 as I've been using his off and on. Stuff like a half second delay doesn't bother me, I'm not in that big of a hurry. We've had it for six weeks now and it's running just the same. So if there is lag, I'm not noticing it. Go grab an old BlackBerry or LG Thrill and you'll see lag. I don't know, it just seems unless you're having legitimate stuttering with a device that being mad about half a second is like being upset that your microwave is taking 6 seconds longer to heat your food than another microwave.

The apps I use a lot-gmail, drop box, exchange, drive, gnotes, smemo, camscanner,EZpdf, Google music, Pandora, Outdoor suite pro 6 all work great. The couple of games I play are smooth and lag free - Bards Tale, horn, Gunman Clive, broken sword, modern combat 3, cut the rope.

I spent a weekend with my friends iPad that he got a recently and it was okay. I didn't find anything about it that made me want to switch. It's always interesting that you can give two people the same device and both will have a complete different experience.

77sunsetstrip
Oct 29, 2012, 12:56 PM
As a long time Android user last device being the galaxy nexus with jelly bean and project butter there is still something not polished about the device. I gave up finally on Android and ordered a iphone 5.

Yep. My feeling precisely. How anyone that uses an iPhone or iPad can find the Nexus 7 acceptable is just amazing to me. "Not polished" is an understatement as far as I am concerned. The Nexus 7 and Android are just plain amateurish.

The only thing that I like about the Nexus 7 is the size which is just perfect. However, now that the iPad Mini is on its way, that advantage is gone.

Message to ReanimationN: I am genuinely puzzled that anyone would take Android seriously if they are coming from the Apple ecosystem and the iPad and iPhone. You and I apparently see eye to eye on this. What do think is going on here? Is it the widgets and live wallpapers that are causing people to overlook the obvious deficiencies? Is it possible that others are finding that Android apps are on a par with iOS apps?

Even the CNBC stock ticker app which I tried yesterday does not work as well as the CNBC app on iOS. I have not found a single app on Android which works as well as the iOS version. I am not a developer, but I suspect that Google gives developers a worse toolkit and components to work with than Apple. That is clearly the case with RSS apps, because I see exactly the same deficiencies in Android RSS apps across the board.

Mr Rogers
Oct 29, 2012, 02:00 PM
Hate to break it to the original poster (OP) but as you go out thru the door another one comes in, namely myself. Having been a loyal Apple user since 1992 the fetish with anorexia that Apple is suffering with - less means more in layman's terms - means I'm purchasing my first two Android devices - a Asus Infinity 64G, expanded by 128G for US$90 - and a Nexus 7 32G 3G phone - what's the point of 4LTE given the stupid costings on data transfer - heck, the UK does not even have a 4G network in place yet and costs compared to 3G are horrific - so I concur with Google, leave it for the next 12 months at least and work with proven technology in the here and now - something Apple used to do.

As for the OS, who cares if its a work in progress - evidently from your stupid statement you never used Apple OS in the 90's or for that matter OSX 1 when it was first launched, the same must evidently apply to iOS when it was originally launched in 2007.

Unlike Apple, Google and their partners are offering value for money for the majority of consumers who are suffering as a result of the global economic down turn - something Apple could not give a toss about as it price gouges all the rich folks who purchase their products - as an original user and desk top publisher, it seems Apple has left behind all those who cared about the company in the late 90's and early part of this century - basically we stuck with the company even though they were offering underpowered devices compared with the competition.

The 'FAD' that is Apple will soon run its course and its stock one day soon will resemble that of MS - itself in vogue for a number of years.

When Apple can move away from servicing the 1% and gouging its consumers for all its worth, I may move back into the fold - however, it had better do something pretty amazing with the Mac Pro and thank God Intel are launching Haswell next year with HD5000, which may make up for the fact that Apple was too into its share price to actually put a decent discrete option in the Mac Mini - as for the iMac and iPad Mini - yes they may look nice but at what cost too performance and longevity - evidently the 1% may have cash to spare to renew devices as Apple launches them, but many of its once loyal users do not.

Long live OSX and death to iOS - I don't want it on my desk top for like Android its a dogs breakfast - as least Android has the decency never to proclaim itself perfect.

Now given the kicking Google's going to give Apple this quarter the situation with its Apps should improve no end, particularly given the cost of the revamped Nexus 7 and the amazing price of the 3G enabled model US$299/ UK 199 - absolutely amazing and makes a mockery of Cook and his cheap slimmed down iPad 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

robanga
Oct 29, 2012, 02:04 PM
Is it the widgets and live wallpapers that are causing people to overlook the obvious deficiencies? Is it possible that others are finding that Android apps are on a par with iOS apps?


I think your speculation is spot on. The number one thing i see when other love Android is the ability to customize the look and feel and widgets.

The number two thing i see is just a move over from feature phones.

onthecouchagain
Oct 29, 2012, 02:18 PM
You're leaving when the party's just about to get started. We'll have to party on without you, I guess.

hot spare
Oct 29, 2012, 02:29 PM
Yep. My feeling precisely. How anyone that uses an iPhone or iPad can find the Nexus 7 acceptable is just amazing to me. "Not polished" is an understatement as far as I am concerned. The Nexus 7 and Android are just plain amateurish.

The only thing that I like about the Nexus 7 is the size which is just perfect. However, now that the iPad Mini is on its way, that advantage is gone.

Message to ReanimationN: I am genuinely puzzled that anyone would take Android seriously if they are coming from the Apple ecosystem and the iPad and iPhone. You and I apparently see eye to eye on this. What do think is going on here? Is it the widgets and live wallpapers that are causing people to overlook the obvious deficiencies? Is it possible that others are finding that Android apps are on a par with iOS apps?

Even the CNBC stock ticker app which I tried yesterday does not work as well as the CNBC app on iOS. I have not found a single app on Android which works as well as the iOS version. I am not a developer, but I suspect that Google gives developers a worse toolkit and components to work with than Apple. That is clearly the case with RSS apps, because I see exactly the same deficiencies in Android RSS apps across the board.

Is this your hobby? do you get a kick out of it? or is it some kind of new profession I am not aware of?

I am referring to your constant trolling.

it's obvious to everyone here that you are here just to troll. if you don't know something, don't talk. your ignorance is like a headache for others. others have to suffer because of uneducated people like you.

cotak
Oct 29, 2012, 02:36 PM
But what every Android fan seems to sweep under the rug is that performance is still lacking under Jelly Bean. If I drag my finger on my Nexus homescreen, everything lags behind my finger by around half a second. It's not all that noticeable, unless you're coming from an iOS or Windows device where that delay simply doesn't exist, or if it does, is small enough to be imperceptible. Same goes for the browser, leaving my finger on the screen and dragging around makes the OS judder and lurch, with everything happening about .25-.5 of a second later. I can't handle it, it's basic, basic stuff and Android just doesn't have it nailed down perfectly like iOS and Windows.



What you describe isn't lag. It's designed not to exactly follow your finger. There's a bit of a dead space before it reacts.

We have both ipads and androids. There's no discernible differences in "dragging things around" performance. Except that the iphone 4 was becoming a lag beast before we sold it.

77sunsetstrip
Oct 29, 2012, 02:43 PM
Is this your hobby? do you get a kick out of it? or is it some kind of new profession I am not aware of? I am referring to your constant trolling. It's obvious to everyone here that you are here just to troll. if you don't know something, don't talk. your ignorance is like a headache for others. others have to suffer because of uneducated people like you.

No. Read my substantive comments. I find that Android is primitive and amateurish compared to iOS and saying so doesn't mean I'm trolling. Android is like something from 1999. I am genuinely wondering how anyone who has used an iPhone or iPad can have a different opinion.

zbarvian
Oct 29, 2012, 02:55 PM
What you describe isn't lag. It's designed not to exactly follow your finger. There's a bit of a dead space before it reacts.

We have both ipads and androids. There's no discernible differences in "dragging things around" performance. Except that the iphone 4 was becoming a lag beast before we sold it.

Oh, that's amusing. Android is designed to not follow your finger?

Sacird
Oct 29, 2012, 03:27 PM
removed, sarcasm might be a little too harsh

Oletros
Oct 29, 2012, 03:30 PM
I agree with you wholeheartedly. The performance is terrible, there is lag, all kinds of rendering an image problems, widgets don't work that well, and the apps are generally poor.

Now it is clear that the thread is only a flame bait

77sunsetstrip
Oct 29, 2012, 04:30 PM
Now it is clear that the thread is only a flame bait

I promise you it's not flame bait (except in the sense that my Nexus 7 will go up in flames). I'm just not intimidated by the Android apologists and I speak my mind freely.

My opinion about the Android is not political. I don't care who puts out a product, Microsoft, Google, or Apple, as long as it's a good product. In my view, Android is a lousy product compared to iOS and possibly Microsoft.

One day I became so frustrated with my Nexus 7 that I told my wife that I felt like setting the thing on fire. I had spent far too much time trying to get it to work right and I was fed up. That's when I decided to actually set fire to it. One less Nexus 7 in this world is a good thing.

hot spare
Oct 29, 2012, 04:41 PM
I promise you it's not flame bait (except in the sense that my Nexus 7 will go up in flames). I'm just not intimidated by the Android apologists and I speak my mind freely.

My opinion about the Android is not political. I don't care who puts out a product, Microsoft, Google, or Apple, as long as it's a good product. In my view, Android is a lousy product compared to iOS and possibly Microsoft.

One day I became so frustrated with my Nexus 7 that I told my wife that I felt like setting the thing on fire. I had spent far too much time trying to get it to work right and I was fed up. That's when I decided to actually set fire to it. One less Nexus 7 in this world is a good thing.

You do have an unusual affinity towards fire/flames.

You want to burn, kill, murder, molest the N7 - got for it. Nobody is stopping you. Do whatever you want, it's your device.
My question is why are you telling this to us? You don't like device, so what? Why such a endless rant about fire and flames in every post. You dislike something, it's your choice. But what are you doing here? Go burn the N7 and go outside and get some fresh air.

You are an irritating person. Talk to your wife properly and ask her how she feels about you. Your attitude is disgusting.

Typswif2fingers
Oct 29, 2012, 06:34 PM
No. Read my substantive comments. I find that Android is primitive and amateurish compared to iOS and saying so doesn't mean I'm trolling. Android is like something from 1999. I am genuinely wondering how anyone who has used an iPhone or iPad can have a different opinion.

I totally support your right to have your position, but do not share it. I find the expositions about operating systems somewhat like theological argumentation. Everyone is right in their own head. So far as everyone's head is concerned, as long as it is their's, I am happy :)

recharge23
Oct 29, 2012, 10:02 PM
don't set it on fire! send it to me in korea so i can bury it with the drones of terrible android devices here.

i'm kidding. i actually want to give it a spin, despite my hatred for the ICS HP Touchpad i got rid of. i actually spent the better half of this morning trying to figure out the cheapest way to get one sent here. you've solved my problem and i've solved yours!

ReanimationN
Oct 29, 2012, 10:14 PM
Message to ReanimationN: I am genuinely puzzled that anyone would take Android seriously if they are coming from the Apple ecosystem and the iPad and iPhone. You and I apparently see eye to eye on this. What do think is going on here? Is it the widgets and live wallpapers that are causing people to overlook the obvious deficiencies? Is it possible that others are finding that Android apps are on a par with iOS apps?I think a lot of it is what you mentioned- the customisability of widgets, launchers, having the file system accessible etc.
Plus, I think some Android fans feel like they're sticking it to the man by siding with an open-source OS, over Apple's more restrictive models, or they simply don't like iOS or Apple. As I mentioned though, if you don't like iOS devices, Windows 8 devices are now available and don't suffer from the same performance issues that Android devices have- you don't have to buy an Android if you don't go with Apple!

What I don't get (like you were saying) is why there are Android apologists- the ones who get heated if you suggest there's something lacking in Android's performance. I work with one and was talking about it with him at lunch today, he was getting quite upset at the idea of lag being in Jelly Bean and wouldn't accept that I'd been having issues with my Nexus 7. Why? I'm quite happy to admit that iOS is incredibly limited and has awful maps, despite owning a new iPhone 5. It does, however, nail the basics (using it to place bets on the go is awesome, it's so responsive), which Android doesn't.
What you describe isn't lag. It's designed not to exactly follow your finger. There's a bit of a dead space before it reacts.

We have both ipads and androids. There's no discernible differences in "dragging things around" performance. Except that the iphone 4 was becoming a lag beast before we sold it.
What? Why on Earth would you design a touch-based device to not respond to touch?

kiltedthrower
Oct 29, 2012, 10:41 PM
What I don't get (like you were saying) is why there are Android apologists- the ones who get heated if you suggest there's something lacking in Android's performance. I work with one and was talking about it with him at lunch today, he was getting quite upset at the idea of lag being in Jelly Bean and wouldn't accept that I'd been having issues with my Nexus 7. Why? I'm quite happy to admit that iOS is incredibly limited and has awful maps, despite owning a new iPhone 5. It does, however, nail the basics (using it to place bets on the go is awesome, it's so responsive), which Android doesn't.


Who knows. I don't get fanatics for any platform, specially those that get upset over criticisms towards a brand. I absolutely prefer Android based systems to iOS but Android has its own problems just like all brands.

StarTrek
Oct 30, 2012, 12:21 AM
It has nothing to do with his physical body or face. It all has to do with how he dresses and presents himself things that people determine theirselves. That is all a matter of choice. I don't think it is wrong to judge people on these kind of aspects as it does in fact reflect their character.

Not to mention I have the read the authors other work and recognize him. I knew immediately that this would be an anti android piece of literature.

But you are anti Apple, I have seen your replies many times, so how can you berate somebody just because they do not confirm to your viewpoint? Trying to make sure everybody agrees with your point of view is extremism, I have the Galaxy S3 and Iphone 5, I gave the Galaxy s3 to my dad as I have dyslexia and IOS is much smoother for me to use. When I told an S3 user on youtube that I had an Iphone 5 he threatened me! I have used both phones extensively, not like most people who berate either product and have not owned both of them. I respect your views but extremism and threats will drive me to buy products from a company with sane fans. Good day to you.

77sunsetstrip
Oct 30, 2012, 12:31 AM
This is an interesting debate! :)

roxxette
Oct 30, 2012, 02:48 AM
All I needed to do is take one look at the author of that articles picture and know that he would side with apple even if it had the old a4 chip.

Agree

WRXHokie
Oct 30, 2012, 08:29 AM
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