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Dave.UK
Oct 29, 2012, 11:45 AM
The Nexus 10 has come from a partnership with Samsung and is a 10in version of the Nexus 7. The screen uses a 2560 x 1600 (300ppi) resolution making it "the highest resolution tablet on the planet", according to Google.

It will be available on 13 November in 16GB or 32GB models priced at 319 and 389 respectively.

Source (http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/google-android/3407742/google-announces-lg-nexus-4-nexus-10-new-nexus-7-models/)



The Face
Oct 29, 2012, 11:50 AM
I really love Googles "we're not in it to make massive profit, we just want to beat the competition" attitude. It's a win win situation for the customers, and it shows others companies are just greedy.

onthecouchagain
Oct 29, 2012, 11:51 AM
https://play.google.com/store/devices

It's nuts.

Dave.UK
Oct 29, 2012, 11:54 AM
https://play.google.com/store/devices

It's nuts.

That is some pretty amazing pricing!

smellysox8
Oct 29, 2012, 12:00 PM
Wow, I don't even want a tablet but that Nexus 10 looks really nice.

onthecouchagain
Oct 29, 2012, 12:20 PM
Yeah, the official pics look way better than the leaked photos from the other day.

I still personally have no interest in the Nexus 10, but for those looking for pure Google in a 10" form, the Nexus 10 at $399 is insanely attractive.

And the resolution puts iPad's Retina to shame.

sneaky butcher
Oct 29, 2012, 12:21 PM
$399 in the USA omg i heard the rumors but never believed that price

Dave.UK
Oct 29, 2012, 12:23 PM
UK Prices:

319 - 16GB
389 - 32GB

MacRumorUser
Oct 29, 2012, 12:29 PM
Love the screen, love the price, don't like the aesthetics of the device.

I can see it doing well though especially at the price.

Anyone know the pricing in euros ? We only get
Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet.
We're working to bring devices to more countries as quickly as possible.
Please check back again soon.
in Ireland so I can't check.

onthecouchagain
Oct 29, 2012, 01:03 PM
Highly recommend watching the Verge's hands on and visit to the Google building:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=66-4uMQqerA

MacRumorUser
Oct 29, 2012, 01:05 PM
Highly recommend watching the Verge's hands on and visit to the Google building:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=66-4uMQqerA


I did, do you notice how shiny the back of the nexus 4 is ? Seems super glossy in the video, and is the nexus logo bigger on the Nexus 4 than the galaxy nexus ? (maybe its an optical illusion, it looks massive in the video but doesn't on the photos)

onthecouchagain
Oct 29, 2012, 01:09 PM
Is the screen IPS or AMOLED?

The Face
Oct 29, 2012, 01:10 PM
Is the screen IPS or AMOLED?Amoled.

zbarvian
Oct 29, 2012, 01:13 PM
Really nice.

Djlild7hina
Oct 29, 2012, 01:21 PM
if only it had a micro sd card slot... or does it have one?

onthecouchagain
Oct 29, 2012, 01:24 PM
Amoled.

Boo, I guess.

And I wonder why the bump up from 16GB to 32GB is a $100 dollar difference, whereas the same bump up for the Nexus 7 is $50.

joshwithachance
Oct 29, 2012, 01:42 PM
It may have a 300 ppi display, but damn is this tablet absolutely hideous.

MacRumorUser
Oct 29, 2012, 01:49 PM
It may have a 300 ppi display, but damn is this tablet absolutely hideous.

Yeah not a fan myself either. Aesthetically its ugly compared to the Nexus 4 & 7.

Its like a good looking person (screen resolution) dressed in a filthy tramps piss stained rags (the plastic housing).

joshwithachance
Oct 29, 2012, 01:50 PM
yeah not a fan myself either. Aesthetically its ugly compared to the nexus 4 & 7.

Its like a good looking person (screen resolution) dressed in a filthy tramps piss stained rags (the plastic housing).

exactly!

OSMac
Oct 29, 2012, 01:58 PM
Amoled.

I dont see that in the official specs, do you have a source?

I rather it be IPS anyhow.

The Face
Oct 29, 2012, 02:07 PM
I dont see that in the official specs, do you have a source?

I rather it be IPS anyhow.I saw in on a specs sheet somehere after a google search, can't find an official source, but I assume it'll defiantly be Amoled as it's a Samsung product.

I'd much prefer a IPS display as well, it's alot sharper than Amoled.

juicytuna
Oct 29, 2012, 02:11 PM
It's a full RGB IPS display. It uses Samsungs PLS technology to be exact.

zbarvian
Oct 29, 2012, 02:14 PM
It's a full RGB IPS display. It uses Samsungs PLS technology to be exact.

This. Great news.

This is a very compelling tablet, besides its ugliness.

The Face
Oct 29, 2012, 02:15 PM
It's a full RGB IPS display. It uses Samsungs PLS technology to be exact.Source? I just really hope I'm wrong, I really want it to be IPS.

Rodster
Oct 29, 2012, 02:27 PM
I wonder if Samsung lowered their component prices so the N10 would look more alluring vs the iPad? :p

Those N10 prices are insane.

ucfgrad93
Oct 29, 2012, 02:27 PM
if only it had a micro sd card slot... or does it have one?

I don't think it has one.

jrswizzle
Oct 29, 2012, 02:28 PM
I'll be interested to see the screen vs. an iPad's retina display. Could punch a whole in the "Retina" moniker. If you can tell the difference, then retina really isn't retina.

Good for Google. Though I find it hilarious that people praise Google's "not in it to make money" even though that's a huge farce, they just make it in different ways (i.e. selling your personal browsing habits and info to advertisers) and bash Apple as some "greedy devil".

They are both multi-BILLION dollar companies....I can 100% guarantee they are both in it to make money. Apple does it on the hardware side, Google does it in other ways - after all, businesses are inherently started to make profit, not to cater to the entitled attitudes of today's societies.

A business not in it to make money is called a non-profit. Sure the company needs to give the customers a good experience, otherwise people won't buy from them - but I'd argue Apple does that better than anyone, and I for one am glad they aren't in this "race-to-the-bottom" as far a pricing goes....otherwise the fit and finish/build quality of Apple devices would suffer and the overall customer service/Apple ecosystem wouldn't be the best in the business.

That said - the N7 was "the best 7" tablet on the market" and I wasn't impressed (owned one for a few months before selling it). I'll wait to see if the N10's specs actually add up to a quality device.

Rodster
Oct 29, 2012, 02:28 PM
I don't think it has one.

Don't see it in the list and if the N7 is anything to go by it won't. ;)

juicytuna
Oct 29, 2012, 02:47 PM
Source? I just really hope I'm wrong, I really want it to be IPS.

From the verge (http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3568784/nexus-10-preview-price-release-date):

Google has officially unveiled the new Nexus 10 tablet running Android 4.2. Built by Samsung but clearly designed by Google, the tablet features a very impressive 10-inch screen at 2560 x 1600 resolution, clocking in at 300ppi. Google calls it "True RGB Real Stripe PLS," and in our short time with the tablet we found it to be on par with the iPad's Retina display, with sharp text, excellent color fidelity, and great viewing angles.

Dg8088
Oct 29, 2012, 03:35 PM
Nexus 10 is fugly. But good specs

More importantly the one thing I'm happy to see is the relatively small price difference between the storage versions. Kind of shows how much money apple is making from selling higher storage devices :)

hot spare
Oct 29, 2012, 04:30 PM
Amoled.

Nope.

Nexus 4 - IPS LCD by LG.
Nexus 10 - PLS LCD by Samsung.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS_panel#Super_PLS

wol
Oct 29, 2012, 04:30 PM
Nexus 10 is fugly. But good specs

More importantly the one thing I'm happy to see is the relatively small price difference between the storage versions. Kind of shows how much money apple is making from selling higher storage devices :)

Um, price difference between the 16GB and 32GB Nexus 10 is US$100, while it is US$100 between the 16GB and 32GB iPad. Your point being?

Though admittedly, I've always wondered why the difference between the 16GB and 32GB iPod (4th gen) amounts to just US$50. Must be the cheaper "music" flash memory in the iPod ...;)

Dolorian
Oct 29, 2012, 09:47 PM
Yeah, the official pics look way better than the leaked photos from the other day.

Yeah and personally take back what I said about the Nexus 10 design the other day, quite glad actually that the leaked picts where not the final product. The final product actually looks quite nice.

And $500 for the 32GB is great. Now I am debating over getting the 32GB Nexus 7 or the 32GB Nexus 10...decisions. I will likely opt for the Nexus 10 as I already have a laptop and a Galaxy S3 and a Nexus 10 was what I was most interested about in the first place.

Can't wait to see the hands-on video reviews.

Sensamic
Oct 29, 2012, 10:39 PM
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you it's not amoled.

I don't know what PLS is, not it's surely better than amoled on a tablet screen.

onthecouchagain
Oct 29, 2012, 10:39 PM
Good hands on video at Engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/

A lot of impressions I'm reading are saying the device feels very solid and well built. Samsung making progress, maybe?

Sensamic
Oct 29, 2012, 11:20 PM
The back looks like rubber. It may be nicer to hold than pure plastic like on the SGS3.

michaeljohn
Oct 29, 2012, 11:49 PM
$399 is an awesome price! Taking my Galaxy Note 10.1 back for this!

MacRumorUser
Oct 30, 2012, 03:38 AM
Question (hypothesis) and a genuine one.

We all know an application has to be written to take advantage of high res panels, otherwise existing applications can in many cases look worse on them.

With the iPad 3/4 there was at least one SKU and developers could adjust and upgrade their software, but its still ongoing even now.

With Android applications on tablet devices often being un-optimised for tablet (just over stretched phone applications at times) I wonder what are the real chances of seeing applications (other than the OS) taking advantage of that display anytime soon?

It's a genuine concern and one I imagine people haven't given much thought to. But with so many myriad devices and hardware configurations already out there, and with many developers still not even optimising for things like Tegra 3 which is in more devices than the high ppi display, I genuinely wonder if the impressive screen on the Nexus 10 will ever be truly honoured with applications that show it off.

And if they don't take advantage of it anytime soon, was the purpose of the panel just to best Apple on the ppi count. Which is all fine and well, but just equates to redundant posturing for the end consumer.

I hope we see some applications tailoring themselves for it, but given my experience of applications on Android tablets, I'm not entirely convinced we shall see many of them at all.

michaeljohn
Oct 30, 2012, 04:49 AM
Question (hypothesis) and a genuine one.

We all know an application has to be written to take advantage of high res panels, otherwise existing applications can in many cases look worse on them.

With the iPad 3/4 there was at least one SKU and developers could adjust and upgrade their software, but its still ongoing even now.

With Android applications on tablet devices often being un-optimised for tablet (just over stretched phone applications at times) I wonder what are the real chances of seeing applications (other than the OS) taking advantage of that display anytime soon?

It's a genuine concern and one I imagine people haven't given much thought to. But with so many myriad devices and hardware configurations already out there, and with many developers still not even optimising for things like Tegra 3 which is in more devices than the high ppi display, I genuinely wonder if the impressive screen on the Nexus 10 will ever be truly honoured with applications that show it off.

And if they don't take advantage of it anytime soon, was the purpose of the panel just to best Apple on the ppi count. Which is all fine and well, but just equates to redundant posturing for the end consumer.

I hope we see some applications tailoring themselves for it, but given my experience of applications on Android tablets, I'm not entirely convinced we shall see many of them at all.

Apps? Who cares? No one is buying a tablet with an awesome display like the Nexus 10 to see their Facebook and Twitter at 300ppi. They buy it for movies and games and I am sure both will look amazing.

MacRumorUser
Oct 30, 2012, 05:24 AM
Apps? Who cares? No one is buying a tablet with an awesome display like the Nexus 10 to see their Facebook and Twitter at 300ppi. They buy it for movies and games and I am sure both will look amazing.

What and games aren't Apps ? :rolleyes:

michaeljohn
Oct 30, 2012, 05:28 AM
What and games aren't Apps ? :rolleyes:

Most of the big games look fantastic on Android tablets. Can you name a few that are blown up phone versions? I cant think of any...

MacRumorUser
Oct 30, 2012, 05:37 AM
Most of the big games look fantastic on Android tablets. Can you name a few that are blown up phone versions? I cant think of any...

The point I was making in regards to games is will they be updated to take advantage of the High PPi display, most games don't even take advantage of CPU/GPU's like the Tegra 3 chipset and that's been around a lot longer than the new display and is in many more devices including the Nexus 7.

So if developers can't factor in hardware that's already on the shelves and in many tablets & phones just yet, what are the chances they will adapt their applications to take advantage of 1 display in 1 device?

KnightWRX
Oct 30, 2012, 06:07 AM
So if developers can't factor in hardware that's already on the shelves and in many tablets & phones just yet, what are the chances they will adapt their applications to take advantage of 1 display in 1 device?

Android had the "Retina" stuff baked into the APIs for a long time, none of that @2x crap Apple pulled.

MacRumorUser
Oct 30, 2012, 06:12 AM
Android had the "Retina" stuff baked into the APIs for a long time, none of that @2x crap Apple pulled.

That's missing the point too. Will applications take advantage of it, without being updated specifically to do so by developers ?

KnightWRX
Oct 30, 2012, 06:26 AM
That's missing the point too. Will applications take advantage of it, without being updated specifically to do so by developers ?

They have since the HTC Nexus One shipped. Again, different APIs, different mentality, different thing all together. You're trying to find equality where none exists.

MacRumorUser
Oct 30, 2012, 06:55 AM
They have since the HTC Nexus One shipped. Again, different APIs, different mentality, different thing all together. You're trying to find equality where none exists.

Really, that's quite cool. But question then do the assets (graphics) still have to be updated though?

Why then also do things like Tegra 3 have to be written specifically for them ?

I'm actually asking now as we have to create an Android & iOS app in the new year for a project I'm working on, it's basically a brochure that has to be converted to an application (I am going to be using Adobe Digital Publishing platform).

Lindenhurst
Oct 31, 2012, 01:12 PM
Yeah, the official pics look way better than the leaked photos from the other day.

I still personally have no interest in the Nexus 10, but for those looking for pure Google in a 10" form, the Nexus 10 at $399 is insanely attractive.

And the resolution puts iPad's Retina to shame.

So much for the term, "retina display". I'm so glad Google didn't feel the need to create some stupid term to help push their products like Apple did.

DO people really buy into that stuff?

onthecouchagain
Oct 31, 2012, 01:29 PM
So much for the term, "retina display". I'm so glad Google didn't feel the need to create some stupid term to help push their products like Apple did.

DO people really buy into that stuff?


Yes. Yes they do. In droves. As far as the eye can see.

hot spare
Oct 31, 2012, 02:58 PM
That's missing the point too. Will applications take advantage of it, without being updated specifically to do so by developers ?

Let me put it this way: If apps don't scale properly in Android, it's the developer's fault. Android has the API for the app to judge the screen-size and PPI to format the app accordingly. Fragments are there to address different screen-sizes.

http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/index.html

But these devs are so lazy that they don't want use the guidelines that google has laid out countless times. I think google has been too kind to devs. Once they start forcing devs to follow these, they will get off their lazy asses.

http://developer.android.com/design/get-started/creative-vision.html

cynics
Oct 31, 2012, 03:35 PM
Question (hypothesis) and a genuine one.

We all know an application has to be written to take advantage of high res panels, otherwise existing applications can in many cases look worse on them.

With the iPad 3/4 there was at least one SKU and developers could adjust and upgrade their software, but its still ongoing even now.

With Android applications on tablet devices often being un-optimised for tablet (just over stretched phone applications at times) I wonder what are the real chances of seeing applications (other than the OS) taking advantage of that display anytime soon?

It's a genuine concern and one I imagine people haven't given much thought to. But with so many myriad devices and hardware configurations already out there, and with many developers still not even optimising for things like Tegra 3 which is in more devices than the high ppi display, I genuinely wonder if the impressive screen on the Nexus 10 will ever be truly honoured with applications that show it off.

And if they don't take advantage of it anytime soon, was the purpose of the panel just to best Apple on the ppi count. Which is all fine and well, but just equates to redundant posturing for the end consumer.

I hope we see some applications tailoring themselves for it, but given my experience of applications on Android tablets, I'm not entirely convinced we shall see many of them at all.

Everything will inherently look better on it. Text, videos, pictures, etc have already been said to look great.

A lot of games already have low, medium and high graphic settings like dead trigger.

Regardless I don't see a huge need for apps needing to change a lot. Since usually just text and pics anyway. There are tablets with better screens then my current Xoom and they just look a lot better since you can't see the pixels as easy.

MacRumorUser
Oct 31, 2012, 04:33 PM
Let me put it this way: If apps don't scale properly in Android, it's the developer's fault. Android has the API for the app to judge the screen-size and PPI to format the app accordingly. Fragments are there to address different screen-sizes.

http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/index.html

But these devs are so lazy that they don't want use the guidelines that google has laid out countless times. I think google has been too kind to devs. Once they start forcing devs to follow these, they will get off their lazy asses.

http://developer.android.com/design/get-started/creative-vision.html

Everything will inherently look better on it. Text, videos, pictures, etc have already been said to look great.

A lot of games already have low, medium and high graphic settings like dead trigger.

Regardless I don't see a huge need for apps needing to change a lot. Since usually just text and pics anyway. There are tablets with better screens then my current Xoom and they just look a lot better since you can't see the pixels as easy.


Thanks very informative :-)

smellysox8
Nov 2, 2012, 10:05 AM
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MacRumorUser
Nov 2, 2012, 10:22 AM
Nexus 10 review at Engadget...

The Nexus 7 impressed us on nearly every front. What few flaws there were we more than forgave thanks to its bargain-basement price. At $400 to $500, the Nexus 10 is actually on par with many other 10-inch Android competitors -- even a little more expensive than some -- and, with average performance in most areas and sub-par battery life, it's relying on that incredibly high resolution and fresh Android build to set it apart. Sadly, neither is enough to distance this tablet from the competition.

The resolution is indeed quite nice but in many ways, the Super IPS+ panel on the ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 is even nicer, and other than that new keyboard there's nothing much in Android 4.2 to get excited about right now. Of course, the true beauty of the Nexus line is that when 4.3 rolls around this slate will be the first to get it, and that is certainly worth something. But is it worth enough to make up for this tablet's other shortcomings?

Engadget review
(http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/#continued)



Battery life is a little disappointing at 7.5 hours, but otherwise good alternative to those who don't want the ipad 4. :-)

cynics
Nov 2, 2012, 11:18 AM
As I type this on my old Xoom I've determined that I'm definitely going to get the 32 gb version. I've literally used my Xoom every day since its release back in march of 2011, I have no doubt I'll use the N10 just as much. I just it hold up as well as my Xoom has....

onthecouchagain
Nov 2, 2012, 12:06 PM
Very good reviews. Hopefully the Nexus line paves the way for more tablet-optimized apps.