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metsjetsfan
Oct 29, 2012, 12:40 PM
Nexus 10 does look like a great device, hopefully ipad 5 is not far away. competition can only help us customers.

thoughts?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3568784/nexus-10-preview-price-release-date



Southernboyj
Oct 29, 2012, 12:44 PM
Nexus 10 does look like a great device, hopefully ipad 5 is not far away. competition can only help us customers.

thoughts?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3568784/nexus-10-preview-price-release-date

I personally think the Nexus 10 looks very ugly. I'm an Android lover btw, I own a Nexus 7 and have owned many Android phones. I bet the screen looks beautiful though at 300 ppi on a 10" device.

ZBoater
Oct 29, 2012, 12:45 PM
"in our short time with the tablet we found it to be on par with the iPad's Retina display"

Ouch.

Wifi only is a problem. No SD slot is a WTF? $100 less than iPad is nice, "but buyers will still have to contend with the anemic options in the Android tablet app ecosystem." (quoting the Verge).

I won't be getting one. If I wanted a big heavy tablet, I'd get an iPad 4... :p

Southernboyj
Oct 29, 2012, 12:49 PM
"in our short time with the tablet we found it to be on par with the iPad's Retina display"

Ouch.

Wifi only is a problem. No SD slot is a WTF? $100 less than iPad is nice, "but buyers will still have to contend with the anemic options in the Android tablet app ecosystem." (quoting the Verge).

I won't be getting one. If I wanted a big heavy tablet, I'd get an iPad 4... :p

Yeah, no SD is a bummer.. but it's still cheaper than Apple's offerings.. however, I feel the same.. if I am going to spend 400+ on a tablet, I'd go for a full sized iPad. Since I own a 15" rMBP.. I think I'll stick between the Nexus 7/iPad Mini.

ZBoater
Oct 29, 2012, 12:52 PM
Nexus 7 is coming out 3g. That would have been nice but I opted to go iPad Mini. If I don't like the mini and go with an iPad 4 or a Nexus 10 if they come out with a 4g model.

augustya
Oct 29, 2012, 12:53 PM
I personally think the Nexus 10 looks very ugly. I'm an Android lover btw, I own a Nexus 7 and have owned many Android phones. I bet the screen looks beautiful though at 300 ppi on a 10" device.

If that is ineed the Picture of Nexus 10 It surely looks very ugly.

Southernboyj
Oct 29, 2012, 12:54 PM
If that is ineed the Picture of Nexus 10 It surely looks very ugly.

Oh that's definitely the real thing.

rrl
Oct 29, 2012, 12:58 PM
No SD cards on Google devices is Google's phvck you to Microsoft. They refuse to pay for the MSDOS file format license. I say good for them.

Yr Blues
Oct 29, 2012, 01:04 PM
no mobile options

though it has more PPI than the new iPad

it looks ugly

competition is good, but Jon Ive has no competition when it comes to design

brig2221
Oct 29, 2012, 01:12 PM
Nexus 10 does look like a great device, hopefully ipad 5 is not far away. competition can only help us customers.

thoughts?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3568784/nexus-10-preview-price-release-date

Here's the deal, I think everyone knew that the competition would eventually catch up from a technical spec perspective, and even surpass the iPad at some point. I'm actually surprised that it's taken this long.

However, they can come out with the greatest hardware ever, but they still have a huge gaping hold in my opinion, and that is the total lack of Tablet optimized apps. The great fancy hardware is all for nothing IMHO if you are running stretched out smartphone apps.

The hardware part is much easier and always was in the cards (catching up or surpassing the iPad on technical specs), it was just a matter of time. However, I think they (Android) will have a much harder time catching up with Apple in terms of tablet optimized apps.

Until I can be reasonably assured that the Google Play store has tablet optimized apps for everything I want, I won't even be looking at Android, and that has nothing to do with the OS or hardware.

tdream
Oct 29, 2012, 01:12 PM
Seems like a lot of people keep their iPad face down...

I generally tend to look at the screen myself. I put grip-ability ie, function over pure aesthetics. The back is normal, it's not ugly, it's perfectly acceptable. Funny thing is people will spend money to buy plastic or silicone cases to cover their aluminum devices :D Well you don't have to bother with the Nexus.

seajewel
Oct 29, 2012, 01:14 PM
Seems like a lot of people keep their iPad face down...

I generally tend to look at the screen myself. I put grip-ability ie, function over pure aesthetics. The back is normal, it's not ugly, it's perfectly acceptable. Funny thing is people will spend money to buy plastic or silicone cases to cover their aluminum devices :D Well you don't have to bother with the Nexus.

I agree with this. I'd like a nice grippy back that is resistant to scratches. No need to buy back covers then.

Noisemaker
Oct 29, 2012, 01:17 PM
no mobile options

though it has more PPI than the new iPad

it looks ugly

competition is good, but Jon Ive has no competition when it comes to design

This.

I'd rather have the design of the iPad and the functionality of iOS than a little bit higher PPI.

D.T.
Oct 29, 2012, 01:25 PM
It's about the +total+ package: design, performance (as an equation of device+os), support channel, ecosystem, tablet specific apps, interoperability with other devices, content ... etc. :)

It's the same with cars, there are higher (spec'ed) vehicles that don't offer the complete package of competitive models when it comes to everything: design, performance, dealer support, driver experience, etc.

Rogifan
Oct 29, 2012, 01:28 PM
I agree with this. I'd like a nice grippy back that is resistant to scratches. No need to buy back covers then.
Hmm...I had the iPad 2 and now have iPad 3 and I've got no scratches and it's never slipped out of my hands.

DoctorYuyi
Oct 29, 2012, 01:28 PM
Look at how long wide that screen is compared to the height. What a horrible design.

ITGuy
Oct 29, 2012, 01:32 PM
I'm very happy to see Google and Microsoft coming to the table. Competition is great for us consumers. Hopefully Apple will have to rethink their add-on pricing for additional storage and for cellular capability.

I believe we will be seeing iPad (5th generation) sooner than later if Google does well with the Nexus 10. We know it will look like the iPad mini and iPhone 5, it will be thinner and lighter, and have the next generation Qualcomm Gobi baseband modem that sucks less power than the version in iPhone 5, iPad 4, and iPad mini.

Tim Cook and Phil Schiller don't have the charisma to keep the RDF at full strength, and I'm actually glad for that.

-ITGuy

CTHarrryH
Oct 29, 2012, 01:32 PM
Although it will take time - but if there are competitive devices app developers will write more and more apps for the Google device. App developers will spend their time writing for devices that they think will sell their apps.

Windows 8 devices may really be the one that loses.

teknikal90
Oct 29, 2012, 01:37 PM
Specs are bla bla bla... the difference between 264 vs. 300 isn't going to make ANY difference when you use it. The pixels are already small enough

MacRumorUser
Oct 29, 2012, 01:46 PM
I personally think the Nexus 10 looks very ugly. I'm an Android lover btw, I own a Nexus 7 and have owned many Android phones. I bet the screen looks beautiful though at 300 ppi on a 10" device.

I agree with you. Of the three nexus devices (4/7/10) its the ugly brother. Why they didn't just ask ASUS to design it (probably because Samsung wanted to be in control in order to allow them to user their display technology).

But spec wise there is nothing that really puts that much pressure on the iPad 4 in order for Apple to feel the need to push out a quick revised version.

Look forward to the benchmarking differences to see how the A15 in the Nexus 10 compares to the A6X in the iPad 4. Im wagering that A6X will be more powerful.

dmelgar
Oct 29, 2012, 01:47 PM
Why does it remotely look like a good device? Chunky cheap plastic looking device.

Resolution is a little higher. I don't think it's useful to be higher than the ipad 3.

Folks don't understand how iOS works. Apps are written to exact pixel dimensions. It's provides a efficient environment and best usability by having apps written to specific pixel dimensions.

Ipad has only ever had one resolution. Retina just doubled it so that iOS can efficiently map one pixel to four. iPhone does the same thing. Iphone 5 threw in a monkey wrench changing the vertical height only.

iOS apps can't have arbitrary screen sizes. You won't see hardware with slightly higher resolution, it's double or nothing. Android uses algorithms to place controls allowing it to adapt to a wide variety of screen sizes, aspect ratios etc.

Initially it seemed that iOS was disadvantaged, but apps say otherwise. It's the reason why iOS apps can be so optimized for the best user experience. Developers know exactly what the screen dimensions are.

With android, it handles it, so why bother to optimize. There's such a wide variety of resolutions, aspect ratios and sizes that its impractical to optimize the user experience.

The result is wonderfully optimized apps for the ipad, and blown up phone apps running on android tablets.

ReallyBigFeet
Oct 29, 2012, 02:17 PM
The N10 looks like a Samsung device. No wait, I'll take that back. Most Samsung devices (TV's, for example) have better outside designs.

I'm not sure who designed it but agree...Asus should have.

zbarvian
Oct 29, 2012, 02:21 PM
I agree with you. Of the three nexus devices (4/7/10) its the ugly brother. Why they didn't just ask ASUS to design it (probably because Samsung wanted to be in control in order to allow them to user their display technology).

But spec wise there is nothing that really puts that much pressure on the iPad 4 in order for Apple to feel the need to push out a quick revised version.

Look forward to the benchmarking differences to see how the A15 in the Nexus 10 compares to the A6X in the iPad 4. Im wagering that A6X will be more powerful.

I'm very excited to see the benchmarks too. This thing is the first mainstream A15 device, and at 1.7 GHz, I hope it's super fast. The A6X will most likely kill it in the GPU department, though.

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competition is good, but Jon Ive has no competition when it comes to design

Sad but true.

joshwithachance
Oct 29, 2012, 02:28 PM
The Nexus 10 won't even touch the iPad. The thing is absolutely hideous, and Android tablet apps are so mediocre.

hot spare
Oct 29, 2012, 02:41 PM
I agree with you. Of the three nexus devices (4/7/10) its the ugly brother. Why they didn't just ask ASUS to design it (probably because Samsung wanted to be in control in order to allow them to user their display technology).

But spec wise there is nothing that really puts that much pressure on the iPad 4 in order for Apple to feel the need to push out a quick revised version.

Look forward to the benchmarking differences to see how the A15 in the Nexus 10 compares to the A6X in the iPad 4. Im wagering that A6X will be more powerful.

Exynos 5250 CPU already proven to miles ahead of A6 (A6 in iPhone5). A6X will definitely have same CPU with upgraded graphics.
Exynos (used in Chromebook) has already beaten A6 CPU in every CPU benchmarks - SunSpider, Peacekeeper, V8, Octane etc., The margins are quite big.

wol
Oct 29, 2012, 02:43 PM
The 16:10 format looks odd to me for reading in portrait mode, though it seems the width should be roughly equivalent to the retina iPad (1600 vs. 1536 pixel, 10.06" vs. 9.7" diagonal). Thus it is probably quite ok for reading books, comics, etc..., and "gorgeous" for viewing photos in landscape mode

One feature it has (and which I was missing in the WLAN versions of the iPad) is GPS, which is quite convenient for location based applications. Since I'm not so much interested in the LTE/4G version of the iPad, the 130 Euro/US$ premium for GPS seemed hard to justify.

Now if the Nook HD+ would be available in Europe, this might be another interesting contender...

Anyway, Google seems to understand the game: in order to score, you have to compete with Apple BOTH in features and price (and I wonder if Google's revenue plan for the Nexus 10 includes the profit from selling the user's data...)

tdream
Oct 29, 2012, 03:08 PM
Exynos 5250 CPU already proven to miles ahead of A6 (A6 in iPhone5). A6X will definitely have same CPU with upgraded graphics.
Exynos (used in Chromebook) has already beaten A6 CPU in every CPU benchmarks - SunSpider, Peacekeeper, V8, Octane etc., The margins are quite big.
Twice as powerful as the new A6, pretty sweet. And comes in cheaper than the iPad. That's a double whammy!

zbarvian
Oct 29, 2012, 03:19 PM
Exynos 5250 CPU already proven to miles ahead of A6 (A6 in iPhone5). A6X will definitely have same CPU with upgraded graphics.
Exynos (used in Chromebook) has already beaten A6 CPU in every CPU benchmarks - SunSpider, Peacekeeper, V8, Octane etc., The margins are quite big.

Aren't those mostly web-based benchmarks? I'd like to see GeekBench scores.

hot spare
Oct 29, 2012, 04:25 PM
Aren't those mostly web-based benchmarks? I'd like to see GeekBench scores.

Yes, those are Javascript benchmarks. But, this is the best you can have right now in terms of cross-platform comparison.

I can already show you a few Geekbench scores where Exynos 4 (leave Exynos 5) scores more than A6. I am sure you can also show me a few opposite numbers. Geekbench is hardly a good tool in terms of cross-platform CPU comparison.

Check Anandtech's review of Apple's A6 Swift architecture. Check what he says about A15. This SoC is used to power a Netbook (Chromebook). It's easily beating A6 in every Javascript benchmarks. Whatever way you look at, there is denying that the CPU in Exynos 5 is simply a monster.

zbarvian
Oct 29, 2012, 04:37 PM
Yes, those are Javascript benchmarks. But, this is the best you can have right now in terms of cross-platform comparison.

I can already show you a few Geekbench scores where Exynos 4 (leave Exynos 5) scores more than A6. I am sure you can also show me a few opposite numbers. Geekbench is hardly a good tool in terms of cross-platform CPU comparison.

Check Anandtech's review of Apple's A6 Swift architecture. Check what he says about A15. This SoC is used to power a Netbook (Chromebook). It's easily beating A6 in every Javascript benchmarks. Whatever way you look at, there is denying that the CPU in Exynos 5 is simply a monster.

I'm not denying it all, I'm actually really excited for the next wave of A15 chips. Mobile devices are getting incredibly powerful.

irDigital0l
Oct 29, 2012, 05:15 PM
Impressive.

If I wanted to go Android...now is defiantly the time.

doboy
Oct 29, 2012, 08:16 PM
Twice as powerful as the new A6, pretty sweet. And comes in cheaper than the iPad. That's a double whammy!

Yes, twice as powerful to drive phone apps. ;)

Ryan John
Oct 31, 2012, 10:52 AM
Most exciting feature about this for me is multiple accounts. Tablets have been crying out for this feature as a tablet is often a shared household item for many families.

No longer will mum and dad have to worry about the kids reading their emails or screwing up their work files. Superb addition, hope to see this on other Android tablets soon too.

Does the iPad 4 / mini etc have multiple account support? Never really looked into it since I went over to the darkside (Android)

tjl3
Oct 31, 2012, 11:18 AM
Twice as powerful as the new A6, pretty sweet. And comes in cheaper than the iPad. That's a double whammy!

Runs iOS 6 better too...

Don't get me wrong, it's great that Google finally has a product that is up to snuff in spec that they can focus development on. But iPad is still the industry leader. Google has set itself up to take a piece of the pie, but they're not there yet w/ just specs. It'll be interesting for them to show us what they've got and see how Apple will counter. Nexus 10 is a great starting point.

tdream
Oct 31, 2012, 05:24 PM
Runs iOS 6 better too...

Don't get me wrong, it's great that Google finally has a product that is up to snuff in spec that they can focus development on. But iPad is still the industry leader. Google has set itself up to take a piece of the pie, but they're not there yet w/ just specs. It'll be interesting for them to show us what they've got and see how Apple will counter. Nexus 10 is a great starting point.

True, it's up to developers to create compelling tablet apps for android and Google to provide the tools to make the transition or creation as easy as possible. Hopefully with a Nexus tablet, it will increase userbase enough to make developers who were weary or worried before think twice and commit to an Android tablet experience.