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maflynn
Oct 30, 2012, 07:58 AM
I have an iPad mini on pre-order and yes, pricing is sticking in my craw a bit.

One thing that I'm confused about is the display between the two tablets. The Nexus 7 has a higher DPI and resolution but is smaller physically.

Now during the keynote we saw that the iPad mini was able to display 35% more content then the Nexus (in portrait mode), while the Nexus display is smaller, the resolution is higher so I'm confused over this - I'd thought it would be about the same or better or am I over thinking the matter.

Since the iPad mini is prepping for shipping I have to wait until I have it on hand to determine if its worth the price.

I'm interested in a smaller tablet the the iPad for reading, notes, surfing and emailing. I like that the mini has both iBooks and kindle since I have books in both.

I don't think I'm bothered by the fact that the screen is not HD and I think the text on the iPad mini may be a bit larger given the larger size and resolution which my 47 year old eyes will be happy about.



flameproof
Oct 30, 2012, 08:02 AM
iPad Mini is IMHO same as the big iPad and nothing new. For 7" I would wait till Samsung comes out with an S-Pen pad, S-Pen is really the coolest thing in the pad world these days.

Rodster
Oct 30, 2012, 08:10 AM
Maflynn, I bought a Nexus 7 yesterday and it is pretty awesome. I have NO issues reading text whatsoever and i'm older than you with poor eyesight. Gmail is well integrated with the N7.

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTIwMjA5ODc4Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNDEwOTg2._V1._SX214_CR0,0,214,314_.jpg

One of the things I like about the N7 is that you can actually fix it and replace the battery. It's built like a giant cellphone. The infamous screen lift is gone and now Google added the unlocked 3G Nexus 7 and it looks really stylish. It's a much better deal for me as opposed to the Mini.

I'll probably get a Mini when the specs take a justifiable leap for me.

ChazUK
Oct 30, 2012, 08:14 AM
I find in portrait mode the Nexus 7 displays more than our iPad 2 (thanks to the additional length) but the sftware buttons and bars can really get in the way in ladscape (see the last screenshot).

I'd wish that Google would remove the status bar at least when Chrome was running or (even better) allow a full screen mode like they did with the AOSP browser and enable the thumb controls.

There can be a lot of screen real estate wastage on the N7 so that is something to take into account. I'm very tempted to try Cyanogenmod 10 on my N7 to utilise the feature they just added to remove the status and soft buttons on demand (taken from the Paranoid Android ROM).

MikeAK
Oct 30, 2012, 10:11 AM
I'm telling you that the Nexus 7 is one damn fine device and @ $199 it's a steal. No device is perfect but I have been pleasantly surprised by it. I just can't get over how nice it is to use.

mattopotamus
Oct 30, 2012, 10:16 AM
I'm telling you that the Nexus 7 is one damn fine device and @ $199 it's a steal. No device is perfect but I have been pleasantly surprised by it. I just can't get over how nice it is to use.

I have a question. I have a few magazine subscriptions....is there are app similar to newstand?

paulsalter
Oct 30, 2012, 10:20 AM
I have a question. I have a few magazine subscriptions....is there are app similar to newstand?

If you are in a country that has Google Magazines they do it, or you can use Zinio

For me this is a plus for the iPad Mini, The wider screen is better for magazines, I find the screen on the N7 to small for reading them

MikeAK
Oct 30, 2012, 10:21 AM
I have a question. I have a few magazine subscriptions....is there are app similar to newstand?

Google Reader comes to my mind right off the bat but I must admit that I don't read mags. The Android apps are not as limited as some would lead you to believe so I am positive there are a number of options.

SpyderBite
Oct 30, 2012, 10:24 AM
It really just comes down to whether you prefer the iOS or Android OS. If you don't care , and you have no needs that are unique to one or the other, then just flip a coin.

People are going to argue about specs, app selection, and more when you offer them such an open ended request.

It's a tablet not a NASCAR automobile.

aldo82
Oct 30, 2012, 11:31 AM
as I understand it the mini will run normal ipad apps on the smaller screen so text will therefore be smaller for a given app than the full size ipad. Personally I can often find text on the ipad a bit on the small side and safari doesn't reflow text appropriatly for me so I can end up side to side scrolling all the time. The great thing about android is there is a system wide font size adjustment plus browsers can adjust text size and reflow text which i believe will make it more useable if small text is a concern. I haven't tried an android tablet yet so I don't know for certain but I'm considering N7 or N10 next rather than an ipad partly for this reason so hope I'm right! When I moved to the S3 I was concerned about font size as I had to give up the inbuilt system wide zoom feature on the iphone yet in general I've found android infinitely more useable with bigger more legible font size than iOS

sneaky butcher
Oct 30, 2012, 03:56 PM
google are being so aggressive on price its difficult to ignore the n7. UK prices

32gb N7 wifi+3g = £249
32gb ipad mini wifi+3g = £450

and the spec is just as good if not better than the mini. Its just crazy prices

coldmack
Oct 30, 2012, 04:12 PM
I haven't checked prices recently, but there is the Samsung Galaxy 7.7 is a sort of a compromise. I don't like Samsung too much, but the Galaxy 7.7 is a 7.7in device with same res at the Nexus 7 so you sort of get best of both worlds. I am sure you can install ASOP build be it 4.0 or 4.1. Just saying.

I've played with the N7 and I do like the size, but the cpu is a bit dated, and screen I wish was a bit better; not to also mention the original Asus device that was suppose to come out had a microsd card slot, which I think is useful(though not as useful as a full size sd).

zbarvian
Oct 30, 2012, 04:21 PM
Depending on how invested you are into the Apple ecosystem, I'd almost say get a Nexus 10. For 70 bucks more than the baseline iPad mini, it's really quite a bargain.

maflynn
Oct 30, 2012, 05:37 PM
Depending on how invested you are into the Apple ecosystem,
I'm pretty heavily invested, but my question really is why does the nexus display less content in the browser then the mini (at least highlighted in the keynote) since the Nexus has a higher resolution

MacRumorUser
Oct 30, 2012, 05:58 PM
I'm pretty heavily invested, but my question really is why does the nexus display less content in the browser then the mini (at least highlighted in the keynote) since the Nexus has a higher resolution

You need to ask Schrödinger's cat ;)

cynics
Oct 30, 2012, 06:17 PM
I think it was dumb of Google to utilize the same set up as a phone on a tablet. They should have done what they did with the 10" tabs and combine the upper and lower status bar to preserve usable screen space. Move the time and battery info to one side and the back, home and multitasking to the other.

Keep in mind though I still think its better then Apples home button idea. If there were capacitive buttons the device would get bigger or the screen would get smaller or both.

It does disappear when watching movies and viewing pics. However I don't know if that space is actually ever "usable". It's nice that the distracting buttons disappear but as you can see in this screenshot the pic still can't use that area.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/31/yzuququ3.jpg

The dots are those buttons. It's the same way with movies but widescreen format doesn't go down that far anyway so it's not an issue.

marc11
Oct 30, 2012, 06:53 PM
I haven't checked prices recently, but there is the Samsung Galaxy 7.7 is a sort of a compromise. I don't like Samsung too much, but the Galaxy 7.7 is a 7.7in device with same res at the Nexus 7 so you sort of get best of both worlds. I am sure you can install ASOP build be it 4.0 or 4.1. Just saying.

I've played with the N7 and I do like the size, but the cpu is a bit dated, and screen I wish was a bit better; not to also mention the original Asus device that was suppose to come out had a microsd card slot, which I think is useful(though not as useful as a full size sd).

CPU dated and you wish for a better screen...compared to the cutting edge stuff in the mini? BTW, while a sd card slot would have been great, at least you can use USB OTG to access and stream media from sd cards. I have a little device that plugs into the USB port and with that I can plug in micro and normal sd cards, USB sticks, USB keyboards, mice, game controllers and even USB 2.0 hard drives. Not ideal, but a HUGE option for memory expansion that the mini cannot offer.

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I find in portrait mode the Nexus 7 displays more than our iPad 2 (thanks to the additional length) but the sftware buttons and bars can really get in the way in ladscape (see the last screenshot).

I'd wish that Google would remove the status bar at least when Chrome was running or (even better) allow a full screen mode like they did with the AOSP browser and enable the thumb controls.

There can be a lot of screen real estate wastage on the N7 so that is something to take into account. I'm very tempted to try Cyanogenmod 10 on my N7 to utilise the feature they just added to remove the status and soft buttons on demand (taken from the Paranoid Android ROM).

Yep all Google needs is a full screen mode for Chrome and problem solved. Other apps, like Kindle and video streaming apps can go full screen and hide the menu and status bars, Google just needs to do this with Chrome. I suspect that is an update in the works...

zhenya
Oct 30, 2012, 07:24 PM
I'm pretty heavily invested, but my question really is why does the nexus display less content in the browser then the mini (at least highlighted in the keynote) since the Nexus has a higher resolution

In part it is because of the excess controls Google is using in that orientation and in part it depends on how a particular site is designed. We've had several extensive discussions about it if you look around.

Here's one, I can't think of the other main thread at the moment. http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16169091&postcount=84

Jasper84
Oct 30, 2012, 08:16 PM
Maflynn, I bought a Nexus 7 yesterday and it is pretty awesome. I have NO issues reading text whatsoever and i'm older than you with poor eyesight. Gmail is well integrated with the N7.

Image (http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTIwMjA5ODc4Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNDEwOTg2._V1._SX214_CR0,0,214,314_.jpg)

One of the things I like about the N7 is that you can actually fix it and replace the battery. It's built like a giant cellphone. The infamous screen lift is gone and now Google added the unlocked 3G Nexus 7 and it looks really stylish. It's a much better deal for me as opposed to the Mini.

I'll probably get a Mini when the specs take a justifiable leap for me.

I bought a nexus 7 yesterday 32gb $250 just WiFi and I'm using it now for this post. I've been buying iPads since 2gen I still have my iPad 3 I wanted to try a droid tablet I was considering the iPad mini but decided on a nexus 7 its great the back has this leathery feeling material give a nice grip traction etc the only rub for me is I have some iTunes purchased content I don't think I can get it on my nexus 7 haven't used the droid beam feature yet but it sounds useful I just seen a nexus 7 32 GB price tag compared to a iPad mini base unit $330 so I figured if I don't like the nexus 7 I can return it well I've decided to keep it and its been great so far

zbarvian
Oct 30, 2012, 08:34 PM
The iPad mini is getting rave reviews.

MikeAK
Oct 30, 2012, 08:42 PM
The iPad mini is getting rave reviews.

have you read them? Almost all of them mention pixelation and bluryness. Most of the reviews also mention the price. The mini will be decent for some but it's far from great. If you must have an iPad I would wait for rev 2.

marc11
Oct 30, 2012, 08:53 PM
The iPad mini is getting rave reviews.

Of course it is. Apple could develope an aluminum and glass crap bag holder for camping trips and those sites would give it rave write ups "the stink stays in the box", "if you gotta carry your poop, might as well carry it in style", "much nicer than a plastic bag" and then Tim Cook would say "isn't this crap holder cool, the way the bevel on the lid meets the top, its amazing isn't it", "we hold 30% more crap than a plastic bag"...and then when a site like this takes just the best points and posts them, what else do you expect.

The iPad 2 was a nice device with warts compared to the iPad 3, the mini is an iPad 2 but smaller and lighter, so, it stands to reason it is a decent device. Worth $130 more than a Nexus 7, no way IMHO. Shame really as with Apple products you used to not have to compromise, pay more/get more...not anymore.

coldmack
Oct 30, 2012, 09:14 PM
CPU dated and you wish for a better screen...compared to the cutting edge stuff in the mini? BTW, while a sd card slot would have been great, at least you can use USB OTG to access and stream media from sd cards. I have a little device that plugs into the USB port and with that I can plug in micro and normal sd cards, USB sticks, USB keyboards, mice, game controllers and even USB 2.0 hard drives. Not ideal, but a HUGE option for memory expansion that the mini cannot offer.[COLOR="#808080"]
Yes, Tegra 3 is a bit dated, specially vs the competition. Even the dual core S4 is a better performer than it. You have to remember Android doesn't fully utilize quad core cpus, at least not yet. So, the extra core advantages are not seen. As for the screen, the nits are a bit low, as is color gamut. I am sure the next gen N7 will fix some of these. As for usb I have to access them with an adapter, like the iPad, which is inconvenient. I right now have the Android Thinkpad Tablet(and iPad 1), and I really like the features of the device; like fully usb port, SD slot, digitzer(it's N-Trig, but better than nothing), but the 10.1in(and 9.8in) size is a bit to large for my taste for a tablet. Just saying.

BuryMeInSmoke
Oct 30, 2012, 09:31 PM
I bought the nexus 7 a little while ago since my woman took over the iPad 3. For me it's the perfect size and I really love jelly bean. IMO the iPad mini is over priced for what you get, but to each their own. Having used jelly bean for awhile now I'm considering selling my iPhone 5 to get some money back and pick up the nexus 4.

marc11
Oct 30, 2012, 09:42 PM
Yes, Tegra 3 is a bit dated, specially vs the competition. Even the dual core S4 is a better performer than it. You have to remember Android doesn't fully utilize quad core cpus, at least not yet. So, the extra core advantages are not seen. As for the screen, the nits are a bit low, as is color gamut. I am sure the next gen N7 will fix some of these. As for usb I have to access them with an adapter, like the iPad, which is inconvenient. I right now have the Android Thinkpad Tablet(and iPad 1), and I really like the features of the device; like fully usb port, SD slot, digitzer(it's N-Trig, but better than nothing), but the 10.1in(and 9.8in) size is a bit to large for my taste for a tablet. Just saying.

I suppose what I was saying is, compared to the iPad mini I wouldn't say the Tegra is dated, that makes it seem like it is more dated than the processor in the mini, which I do not think it is.

Yes the USB OTG is inconvenient, but at least there is the option; I like the idea that I can plug a 64 or 128 GB USB card and access the content. The reality is, most people who have so much content do not need it with them all the time; so once a week or when taking a long trip its no big deal to me to load up a card and go; using the content stored on the device for day to day apps and data.

However I agree that a built in sd card slot would have been ideal.

zbarvian
Oct 30, 2012, 10:03 PM
Of course it is. Apple could develope an aluminum and glass crap bag holder for camping trips and those sites would give it rave write ups "the stink stays in the box", "if you gotta carry your poop, might as well carry it in style", "much nicer than a plastic bag" and then Tim Cook would say "isn't this crap holder cool, the way the bevel on the lid meets the top, its amazing isn't it", "we hold 30% more crap than a plastic bag"...and then when a site like this takes just the best points and posts them, what else do you expect.

The iPad 2 was a nice device with warts compared to the iPad 3, the mini is an iPad 2 but smaller and lighter, so, it stands to reason it is a decent device. Worth $130 more than a Nexus 7, no way IMHO. Shame really as with Apple products you used to not have to compromise, pay more/get more...not anymore.

Stop invoking that argument. The reviewers are unbiased, they don't only favor Apple products.

marc11
Oct 30, 2012, 11:05 PM
Stop invoking that argument. The reviewers are unbiased, they don't only favor Apple products.

I do not beleive I used the word "biased" in my comment at all, did I? If so, please quote me. What I said was, Apple can make anything and people will praise it; and I also said that places that summarize those articles will do so to best serve its readers as such, pick out all the positive highlights.

Tell me where I said anyone or any place was biased.

torana355
Oct 30, 2012, 11:08 PM
There can be a lot of screen real estate wastage on the N7 so that is something to take into account. I'm very tempted to try Cyanogenmod 10 on my N7 to utilise the feature they just added to remove the status and soft buttons on demand (taken from the Paranoid Android ROM).

I use Dolphin and Xscope as my browsers as they both have full screen mode which fixes the landscape issue nicely. Love my Nexus 7 and love Jellybean even more. I can set it up to work just like ios with app icons all over the homescreens or with widgets to give it that android flavor.

Lubo
Oct 30, 2012, 11:26 PM
I was debating getting the Mini or a Nexus 7, I went ahead yesterday and ordered the Nexus 7, So cheap and outstanding reviews, I will have a 15 day return policy so it's all good. ;)

PhoenixMac
Oct 30, 2012, 11:37 PM
While I have a nexus 7 I use it as a radio/nav for my car I bought a mini to be my productivity device as I am better served by iOS apps

zbarvian
Oct 30, 2012, 11:57 PM
I do not beleive I used the word "biased" in my comment at all, did I? If so, please quote me. What I said was, Apple can make anything and people will praise it; and I also said that places that summarize those articles will do so to best serve its readers as such, pick out all the positive highlights.

Tell me where I said anyone or any place was biased.

Come on, man. You didn't explicitly say bias, but it all read that way. You said the review sites would praise essentially any Apple product regardless of how foolish it is, and that they only highlight the positives of the device.

emma777
Oct 31, 2012, 01:03 AM
I think size should be another thing. The nexus 7 is as wide as i can hold comfortably, and is a centimeter and a half less wide, that's a big difference with mini.

3bs
Oct 31, 2012, 01:21 AM
I find in portrait mode the Nexus 7 displays more than our iPad 2 (thanks to the additional length) but the sftware buttons and bars can really get in the way in ladscape (see the last screenshot).

I'd wish that Google would remove the status bar at least when Chrome was running or (even better) allow a full screen mode like they did with the AOSP browser and enable the thumb controls.

There can be a lot of screen real estate wastage on the N7 so that is something to take into account. I'm very tempted to try Cyanogenmod 10 on my N7 to utilise the feature they just added to remove the status and soft buttons on demand (taken from the Paranoid Android ROM).

Why not use Paranoid Android which combines the nav bar and the status bar? It lets you use your Nexus 7 tablet with a tablet UI. I'm not sure how CM10 is on the N7 but I use it on my GS3.

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Lubo
Oct 31, 2012, 03:46 PM
I was debating getting the Mini or a Nexus 7, I went ahead yesterday and ordered the Nexus 7, So cheap and outstanding reviews, I will have a 15 day return policy so it's all good. ;)

I totally Retract my good statements on the Nexus 7, I recieved mines 5 hours ago and it's allready packed up ready to send back, it's garbage, Sluggish, Pages don't load fast enough on the browser, And it's less responsive than IOS, Massive dissapointment for me, Will never be buying android again. :eek:

cynics
Oct 31, 2012, 03:57 PM
I totally Retract my good statements on the Nexus 7, I recieved mines 5 hours ago and it's allready packed up ready to send back, it's garbage, Sluggish, Pages don't load fast enough on the browser, And it's less responsive than IOS, Massive dissapointment for me, Will never be buying android again. :eek:

Gotcha! All the good reviews were just a trick we were all playing on you to inconvenience you!! At least you gave it a shot and used it for a while...lol

marc11
Oct 31, 2012, 03:57 PM
I totally Retract my good statements on the Nexus 7, I recieved mines 5 hours ago and it's allready packed up ready to send back, it's garbage, Sluggish, Pages don't load fast enough on the browser, And it's less responsive than IOS, Massive dissapointment for me, Will never be buying android again. :eek:

Sorry but your unit was defective because it is far from sluggish and the browser is far from slow.

Lubo
Oct 31, 2012, 04:00 PM
Sorry but your unit was defective because it is far from sluggish and the browser is far from slow.

I'm not trolling and it's not defective, Stop trying to convince people it's a good Tablet i fell into that trap and it won't be happening again.

onthecouchagain
Oct 31, 2012, 04:05 PM
Apple today clarified that the iPad Mini does have stereo speakers.

No wonder it's $329!

Sensamic
Oct 31, 2012, 04:31 PM
Apple today clarified that the iPad Mini does have stereo speakers.

No wonder it's $329!

Actually... they should charge an extra 100$ for the stereo speakers, because we know... that's what Apple does...

Night Spring
Oct 31, 2012, 04:41 PM
Apple today clarified that the iPad Mini does have stereo speakers.

I'm kind of wondering how much good the stereo speakers will do, seeing how they are on the same side when holding the iPad in landscape. So if you are watching a movie, sound will still be coming from one side of the tablet.

onthecouchagain
Oct 31, 2012, 04:46 PM
I'm kind of wondering how much good the stereo speakers will do, seeing how they are on the same side when holding the iPad in landscape. So if you are watching a movie, sound will still be coming from one side of the tablet.

Valid point.

I guess same can be said of the Nexus 7 speakers. They're stereo too, but together in one bar on the back.

Nexus 10 seems to have stereo speakers separated left/right and in the front.

TheHateMachine
Oct 31, 2012, 04:58 PM
I'm not trolling and it's not defective, Stop trying to convince people it's a good Tablet i fell into that trap and it won't be happening again.

Yea because everyone is having so many problems with their N7 and all the reviews are lies and part of a trap... :rolleyes:

Enjoy your new Apple product though.

Rodster
Oct 31, 2012, 05:02 PM
Yea because everyone is having so many problems with their N7 and all the reviews are lies and part of a trap... :rolleyes:

Enjoy your new Apple product though.

I'm having trouble getting a good working N7. :(

The first one had a spec of dust trapped under the screen and the second one has the infamous screen lift. Going back to Office Depot tomorrow for a third one. If I get another defective one I may go Mini.

onthecouchagain
Oct 31, 2012, 05:23 PM
I'm having trouble getting a good working N7. :(

The first one had a spec of dust trapped under the screen and the second one has the infamous screen lift. Going back to Office Depot tomorrow for a third one. If I get another defective one I may go Mini.

Could be that batch that Office Depot got? Who knows. Good luck.

Rodster
Oct 31, 2012, 05:36 PM
Could be that batch that Office Depot got? Who knows. Good luck.

Yeah I was thinking the same but back when they first launched I tried some from Staples and Office Depot. They all had screen lift. :(

tech4all
Oct 31, 2012, 05:48 PM
Apple today clarified that the iPad Mini does have stereo speakers.

No wonder it's $329!

So does the Nexus 7...so that doesn't justify the $329 price considering the Nexus 7 also have double the storage for less.

cynics
Oct 31, 2012, 06:04 PM
Yea because everyone is having so many problems with their N7 and all the reviews are lies and part of a trap... :rolleyes:

Enjoy your new Apple product though.

Anyone who starts a post with "I'm not trolling" even though no one said they were are actually trolling. Just ignore them. I don't have one but have used one and it was great. I'm going to jump on the N10.

Lubo
Oct 31, 2012, 06:06 PM
Yea because everyone is having so many problems with their N7 and all the reviews are lies and part of a trap... :rolleyes:

Enjoy your new Apple product though.

What apple product?

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Anyone who starts a post with "I'm not trolling" even though no one said they were are actually trolling. Just ignore them. I don't have one but have used one and it was great. I'm going to jump on the N10.

He edited the post.. :rolleyes:

torana355
Oct 31, 2012, 06:07 PM
I'm not trolling and it's not defective, Stop trying to convince people it's a good Tablet i fell into that trap and it won't be happening again.

Obvious troll is obvious. Your unit is defective, my nexus 7 flogs the crap out of my ipad 2 when it comes to browser speed.

Technarchy
Oct 31, 2012, 06:52 PM
I would choose the iPad Mini.

marc11
Oct 31, 2012, 07:03 PM
I'm not trolling and it's not defective, Stop trying to convince people it's a good Tablet i fell into that trap and it won't be happening again.

Oh I never said trolling YOU DID!! HA HA guilty much? It IS a good tablet, over 1 million people say so, oh wait 999,999 people, one person says it isn't....

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What apple product?

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He edited the post.. :rolleyes:

Yep I did, because I didn't want to call you a troll, just a liar is all...

Lubo
Oct 31, 2012, 07:19 PM
Oh I never said trolling YOU DID!! HA HA guilty much? It IS a good tablet, over 1 million people say so, oh wait 999,999 people, one person says it isn't....

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Yep I did, because I didn't want to call you a troll, just a liar is all...

Really im a liar? saying what i think of the tablet? cool story.

MikeAK
Oct 31, 2012, 07:53 PM
I totally Retract my good statements on the Nexus 7, I recieved mines 5 hours ago and it's allready packed up ready to send back, it's garbage, Sluggish, Pages don't load fast enough on the browser, And it's less responsive than IOS, Massive dissapointment for me, Will never be buying android again. :eek:

Give me a break! This is so obvious it's funny. :rolleyes:

Lubo
Oct 31, 2012, 08:17 PM
Give me a break! This is so obvious it's funny. :rolleyes:

Im starting to wonder if any of you have acctually tried a ios device, the diffrence is quite easy to see, It's massive actually.

marc11
Oct 31, 2012, 08:24 PM
Im starting to wonder if any of you have acctually tried a ios device, the diffrence is quite easy to see, It's massive actually.

Dude the hole you are digging for your credibility is getting deeper with each post. Honestly, you should just move along to another thread. Yes Android and iOS are very very different...SO? Neither is perfect, I could rattle off a dozen problems with iOS 6...nothing is perfect, go buy what you want; but stop spreading BS for the sake of it.

Lubo
Oct 31, 2012, 10:39 PM
Dude the hole you are digging for your credibility is getting deeper with each post. Honestly, you should just move along to another thread. Yes Android and iOS are very very different...SO? Neither is perfect, I could rattle off a dozen problems with iOS 6...nothing is perfect, go buy what you want; but stop spreading BS for the sake of it.

I'm not spreading BS it's you lot, I bought a nexus 7 i tried it, I don't like android after that experience and won't be getting it again, I dont know what's not to understand?

EmaDaCuz
Nov 1, 2012, 02:10 AM
I tried the N7, did not like it. I will go to an Apple Store and try the iPad Mini for a while. If I don't like it, I will go for a Playbook 64GB, currently priced at 129 pounds.

Technarchy
Nov 1, 2012, 03:28 AM
Both are too small for me personally, but an iPad Mini for the wife will probably happen.

sneaky butcher
Nov 1, 2012, 05:51 AM
N7 32gb 3G version thanks very much

frayne182
Nov 1, 2012, 07:47 AM
I tried the N7, did not like it. I will go to an Apple Store and try the iPad Mini for a while. If I don't like it, I will go for a Playbook 64GB, currently priced at 129 pounds.

Oh god. Don't pick the playbook over those two.

what didn't you like about the Nexus?

EmaDaCuz
Nov 1, 2012, 08:04 AM
The Playbook is by far the best tablet I have tried out. This doesn't mean that it is the best tablet out there, but probably the one that suits my needs best. Nice screen, nice OS, fast and responsive, its ergonomy is surprising. It comes with a nice office suite and the browser is excellent. The only problem is the absence of Skype, but I can live without.

The very first impression about the Nexus 7 was "WOW". After I started using it a bit, I simply found it "Meh". There is no particular reason: the screen is bright, the OS is quite fast (but a bit too messy, IMHO) and the apps you can download are pretty much countless. I found it quite uncomfortable to hold, plasticy and kind of "cheap". It did not give me a nice feeling. That's all.

maflynn
Nov 1, 2012, 08:10 AM
My Mini is due to arrive tomorrow afternoon, at that point I'll be able to compare the two together.

Based on the published reviews it seems the iPad mini is a great little tablet. Not perfect but a solidly built and nicely designed tablet. The weakest link appears to be the price, then followed up with the lower resolution. Since Best Buy and other stores stock the Kindle Fire and N7, I'm going to take some bench marks on the mini with regard to how the kindle app displays and the web browser.

frayne182
Nov 1, 2012, 08:10 AM
My girlfriend has a playbook for over a year now.... Its choppy, buggy, slow, No Apps.... I mean if a tablet can't even have skype or Netflix it has issues.

I mean I have a Nexus 7 so I'm going to be a bit biased, but she never wants to use her playbook. always my Nexus.

I just think you will be disappointed. The playbook hasn't had a tech upgrade in over a year and a half.

But in the end its your choice so enjoy what you get. http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/beerchug.gif

nba1341
Nov 1, 2012, 08:27 AM
I bought a nexus 7 a couple days ago. I upgraded from a nook tablet 1024x600 resolution (mini is 768 due to 4:3 display)

Anyways I would never go back to a lower resolution display. The 720p display on thus 7inch tab is amazing text is so much clearer and easier to read then it was on the nook tablet.

Can't imagine why apple didn't at least include a 720p display in the mini it wouldn't have cost more but I guess since their ecosystem and apps are very poor at scaling resolutions they took the easy way out and threw the iPad 2 red display in there.

maflynn
Nov 1, 2012, 08:31 AM
Can't imagine why apple didn't at least include a 720p display in the mini it wouldn't have cost more but I guess since their ecosystem and apps are very poor at scaling resolutions they took the easy way out and threw the iPad 2 red display in there.

I'm not making excuses for apple, but wouldn't a HD display only show itself in HD movies? That is, surfing, email, apps wouldn't really benefit from HD.

Now if you're talking retina, then yes all of the above will benefit but for what ever reason apple did not design the mini for HD (or retina). I'm personally not shook up over it, as I'm not hung up on watching HD movies on my 7" tablet (regardless if its the N7, Kindle fire HD or the mini).

paulsalter
Nov 1, 2012, 08:41 AM
I am confused over the resolution talk

I thought the iPad Mini was 1024x768

Which, although less than the Nexus 7 is still more than 720p

zhenya
Nov 1, 2012, 08:49 AM
I am confused over the resolution talk

I thought the iPad Mini was 1024x768

Which, although less than the Nexus 7 is still more than 720p

720p is generally considered to be 1280x720, so the iPad is not wide enough to show that content a full resolution.

mattopotamus
Nov 1, 2012, 08:51 AM
I am confused over the resolution talk

I thought the iPad Mini was 1024x768

Which, although less than the Nexus 7 is still more than 720p

technically I would think it is 768p. Full HD does not start until 1080p though

zhenya
Nov 1, 2012, 08:53 AM
Can't imagine why apple didn't at least include a 720p display in the mini it wouldn't have cost more but I guess since their ecosystem and apps are very poor at scaling resolutions they took the easy way out and threw the iPad 2 red display in there.

iOS isn't 'poor' at scaling resolutions, they just work under their own terms, so they chose to only deal with the scaling multipliers that work perfectly - 1 and 2. Android doesn't have that luxury because their business model is based upon choice, so they need to be able to accommodate whatever screen size and pixel density a manufacturer chooses. This gives flexibility in hardware, but means that almost every scale factor is non-ideal.

If you have an Android device that does not have 160ppi (the reference point) or 320ppi (exactly double that) you will have visible artifacts. Very high resolution screens like the upcoming Nexus 10 minimize how visible these are, but don't make them go away completely.

paulsalter
Nov 1, 2012, 08:55 AM
Thanks

I just thought HD referred to the vertical pixels, 720 or 1080

zhenya
Nov 1, 2012, 09:01 AM
Thanks

I just thought HD referred to the vertical pixels, 720 or 1080

It's an aspect ratio, so you have to consider both dimensions. For TV it's 16:9, so for a given height of 720, the width must be 1280.

paulsalter
Nov 1, 2012, 09:04 AM
It's an aspect ratio, so you have to consider both dimensions. For TV it's 16:9, so for a given height of 720, the width must be 1280.

Cheers, got it now

joudbren
Nov 1, 2012, 10:01 AM
I've had the 16GB N7 for a while now and my iPad3 has been sitting unused for most of that time. The N7 is doing exactly what I need, the size is ideal especially for travelling, the screen is excellent and battery life has been great. My iPad3 is going up for sale now.

Not sure on the diffs between the iPad mini and the N7 but I agree with another poster here in that the slight extra width of the iPad mini may be uncomfortable. As-is the N7 is just about the max width to hang onto comfortably with one hand and even at that I find I get a little bit of tendon pain in my thumb for extended periods. Because of that I tend to hang onto the N7 just by a single edge along the bezel. The iPad mini has a narrower bezel along the side of the screen which will make it more difficult to hold by just one edge like you can with the N7. I think a lot of people are going to find that to be a real issue with the mini.

Someone else asked about Magazines on the N7 and I can say they have been fine with my Zinio app. I was worried about that compared to my iPad which is awesome for Zinio but that turned out to be a non issue. Mags are easy to read on the N7 especially in portrait mode. (and easily zoomed if there is some especially small text)

The only thing I'm missing from my iPad3 is the 3G cellular support but it sounds like a new N7 will be out in late November that includes 3G. I'll be buying that one in a heartbeat. I don't use the 3G often but it's handy when you do need it and also makes it easier to track a misplaced device with any of a dozen different "find my device" apps for Android.

No doubt the iPad mini is a fine device but I've made my choice and no regrets. Also saved a nice chunk of change in the process! If you're heavily invested in the famous Apple walled garden then the choice is obvious, the mini. If you're a little more flexible and appreciate more flexibility in your device then give the N7 a hard look. I know I was pleasantly surprised. (and Google Now rocks!) Cheers!

P.S. You also get a GPS chip in the N7 which the iPad mini only includes in the 3G version.