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MacRumors
Oct 30, 2012, 01:43 PM
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Over the past few weeks, we've been covering a few of the recent unofficial Lightning accessories that have been surfacing into the void left by Apple's decision to wait until early November (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/17/apple-meeting-with-accessory-makers-to-promote-lightning-integration/) to begin bringing most of its official accessory partners up to speed on the new connector for the iPhone 5, iPad, and iPad mini.

iPhone5mod (http://iphone5mod.com) seems to be one of the fastest-moving companies releasing Lightning accessories without Apple's authorization, having released several cables and working on docks and adapters using the new standard. The company today announced two new Lightning docks for the iPhone 5 that will begin shipping within the next few weeks.

The first is an upgraded Classic Dock (http://iphone5mod.com/shop/iphone-5-classic-dock-2nd-generation/) that is similar to the one announced last week but which adds a second mounting slot to allow users to prop up their devices in either portrait or landscape mode without being mounted on the charging connector.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/10/iphone5mod_classic_dock_2.jpg
The second is a new iPhone 5 Dock PRO (http://iphone5mod.com/shop/iphone-5-dock-pro/) that will be available in both Lightning and micro-USB versions, allowing users to choose which type of cable they wish to run from their computer or power adapter to the dock. The dock also includes a removable slot cover to offer two different sizes of docking slots to accommodate both naked and cased iPhones.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/10/iphone5mod_dock_pro.jpg
iPhone5mod has also already announced improved versions of its standard (http://iphone5mod.com/shop/apple-lightning-to-usb-cable/) and lighted (http://iphone5mod.com/shop/illuminated-lightning-cable-and-iphone-5-dock/) Lightning to USB cables, increasing durability and compatibility.

The company also tells us that it is working on several other new docks, including a standalone one for the iPad mini and a universal one for the iPhone and iPad mini, as well as Lightning card readers for the iPhone 5 and iPad mini.

Certainly some users have concerns over purchasing unauthorized accessories, and iPhone5mod's rapid iteration on the already-released cables to improve durability may be a bit disconcerting, but it seems clear that Apple's decision to keep official accessory manufacturers in the dark until well after the launch of Lightning-based products has left a significant market opportunity for companies looking to meet demand from users.

Article Link: Unauthorized Lightning Accessories Continue Rolling Out with New Docks (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/30/unauthorized-lightning-accessories-continue-rolling-out-with-new-docks/)



TheMacBookPro
Oct 30, 2012, 01:46 PM
Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.

decimortis
Oct 30, 2012, 01:52 PM
well that was lightning fast...

Veinticinco
Oct 30, 2012, 02:01 PM
Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.
Exactly right.

MOKHAN
Oct 30, 2012, 02:04 PM
I'm perfectly okay with this. To be honest, I never purchased OEM 30pin sync cables from Apple anyways, I would get the inexpensive third party look-alikes from eBay.

mooeymoose
Oct 30, 2012, 02:10 PM
Perfect. This this the kind of stuff the market needs to hell keep apple in check. While I like a lot of apple products what they charge for accessories is too much.

Freyqq
Oct 30, 2012, 02:12 PM
Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.

yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off.

I think it is telling that apple didn't integrate the 3.5" jack into their own adapter to give analogue support; they anticipate changing the location of the 3.5" jack eventually and the ipod touch/nano won't have the exact same location either.

Analog Kid
Oct 30, 2012, 02:14 PM
The decision to withhold Lightning wasn't a Forstall decision, was it? Why wasn't the exec responsible for this made to walk the plank with the rest?

This is a much bigger mistake than Maps, in my opinion.

tirk
Oct 30, 2012, 02:22 PM
yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off

But would that annoy third party manufacturers or users most?

Not saying they won't, just saying it would be stupid.

MMOTotal
Oct 30, 2012, 02:23 PM
Why don't Apple provide a standard dock like they always have.

Westside guy
Oct 30, 2012, 02:24 PM
I'm glad these have come out so quickly. As long as I've looked at a product's review history, I've never had any problem with any of the cheap knock-off versions of Apple connectors before - so I don't expect problems with these either.

This way I can have spare cables at various locations - e.g. car, office, in various bags - without having to take out a third mortgage (the second mortgage was needed for the original hardware purchase :D).

ghsNick
Oct 30, 2012, 02:25 PM
But are they safe?

iThinkIt
Oct 30, 2012, 02:30 PM
keep em' coming... another 6 months and everyone will have them much cheaper.. :D

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But are they safe?

The real question is.. "Do They Blend?"

knemonic
Oct 30, 2012, 02:32 PM
Wonder if the Pro will work with the Case-Mate Tough Case?

oneMadRssn
Oct 30, 2012, 02:33 PM
Why don't Apple provide a standard dock like they always have.

Apple claims people prefer speaker docks and making standard docks is not worthwhile for them, or something like that.

The real question is: why hasn't apple released a detailed spec allowing legit 3rd party docks (both of the speaker variety and standard chargers) to come to market the day the iphone5 was announced?

Swift
Oct 30, 2012, 02:38 PM
I made a mistake a few months ago, buying a cheap car charger and 30-pin connector from Amazon. Worked great at first, but after a little use, it wouldn't charge anymore. I noticed that the 30-pin connector seemed to have gotten loose, so I changed that for an Apple one. It didn't work either! The problem was that the part that fits into the lighter wasn't making contact anymore. I still use the 30-pin in the car -- stopping Thursday, when my iPhone 5 arrives -- but I've got a good, expensive charger doing the work.

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Apple claims people prefer speaker docks and making standard docks is not worthwhile for them, or something like that.

The real question is: why hasn't apple released a detailed spec allowing legit 3rd party docks (both of the speaker variety and standard chargers) to come to market the day the iphone5 was announced?

Secrecy. Another group of people who would have to get a prototype, which could leak from another set of places.

nutmac
Oct 30, 2012, 02:45 PM
The decision to withhold Lightning wasn't a Forstall decision, was it? Why wasn't the exec responsible for this made to walk the plank with the rest?

I am sorry but what you are suggesting is not very realistic. You are suggesting Apple should've pre-announced the connector (and not the devices using new connector).

First of all, that is rather unprecedented. Apple is in the business of selling products to end users, not to OEM like Intel. Furthermore, unlike Thunderbolt and FireWire, Lightning is not meant to be adopted by non-Apple products.

Secondly, announcing a new connector would officially confirm that all the existing devices with 30-pin connector (both Apple and 3rd party) are about to become obsolete (or at least deprecated). I suspect this is one of the few reasons why Apple decided to update 9.7-inch iPad now. That would in turn trigger massive decline in sale (and inventory to pile up). Meanwhile, months go by until Apple can finally unveil and ship new products.

Having said that, Apple could've done a lot better. 30-pin to Lightning adapter should've been bundled with iPhone and 5th generation iPod touch. The adapter should've been available on the launch date. The adapter could've been better designed.

ghostface147
Oct 30, 2012, 02:46 PM
I'll just wait for an authorized 3rd party one.

nutmac
Oct 30, 2012, 02:47 PM
Apple claims people prefer speaker docks and making standard docks is not worthwhile for them, or something like that.

The real question is: why hasn't apple released a detailed spec allowing legit 3rd party docks (both of the speaker variety and standard chargers) to come to market the day the iphone5 was announced?

In addition to secrecy, Apple is pushing AirPlay vs. wired approach.

hamkor04
Oct 30, 2012, 02:57 PM
Perfect. This this the kind of stuff the market needs to hell keep apple in check. While I like a lot of apple products what they charge for accessories is too much.

at least, they should make accessories more affordable, since they are pretty rubbish (yeah yeah fun-boys, it's true :eek:)

Quu
Oct 30, 2012, 03:03 PM
I want a dock so bad but I'm not willing to risk my phone in one of these things. I'll wait for the authorised accessories.

rmwebs
Oct 30, 2012, 04:05 PM
I'll just wait for an authorized 3rd party one.

Unfortunately you've got another 3-5 months wait at minimum then given that Apple aren't talking to 3rd parties until November.

ghostface147
Oct 30, 2012, 04:10 PM
Unfortunately you've got another 3-5 months wait at minimum then given that Apple aren't talking to 3rd parties until November.

Which is fine.

oneMadRssn
Oct 30, 2012, 04:10 PM
Secrecy. Another group of people who would have to get a prototype, which could leak from another set of places.

I'm not saying release the connector early, or let others in on it earlier. I'm saying make the spec available *at the same time* as the device release. No leaks, but we would have legit docks by now.

In addition to secrecy, Apple is pushing AirPlay vs. wired approach.
I can buy that, and airplay is great and all. However, I also like charging my phone, and I like charging it in the upright position.

MeFromHere
Oct 30, 2012, 04:20 PM
The real question is: why hasn't apple released a detailed spec allowing legit 3rd party docks (both of the speaker variety and standard chargers) to come to market the day the iphone5 was announced?

What makes you think they haven't released the detailed specs? Just internet rumors.

Unless you're in the MFi program, you DON'T KNOW what specs have been released. And if you ARE in the program, you signed a non-disclosure agreement so you can't tell us.

We don't have any way to know how much of the delay is because Apple is slow, how much is because of schedules at other companies, and how much is due to component shortages.

In the keynote presentation, Phil Schiller said they were already working with a number of other companies "to integrate lightning connectors into products you may choose to buy, for example this holiday season".

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Unfortunately you've got another 3-5 months wait at minimum then given that Apple aren't talking to 3rd parties until November.

That doesn't agree with Apple's statement during the iPhone 5 keynote presentation.

joueboy
Oct 30, 2012, 04:29 PM
Obviously this is unevitable there is no secret ingredient on how to make this cable, just what Apple would like you to think. This is all about Apple making money before everybody else. I'm sure they sold millions of this cable before they will decide to license this to the third party manufacturers. But I like the new cable much better than 30 pin in every way. I'm glad I didn't invested so much on the 30 pin I never like the docking speakers anyway.

MeFromHere
Oct 30, 2012, 04:33 PM
Ordering this stuff seems like a leap of faith. It might work. It might not. It might be seized in customs if Apple notices and decides to protect their patents.

I wonder how easy it is to get your money back from this Chinese vendor if the stuff gets seized. In the USA, I guess the credit card companies will end up eating the losses in that case. If they feel much pain, they'll stop processing payments for the vendor.

superman23
Oct 30, 2012, 04:53 PM
What makes you think they haven't released the detailed specs? Just internet rumors.

Unless you're in the MFi program, you DON'T KNOW what specs have been released. And if you ARE in the program, you signed a non-disclosure agreement so you can't tell us.

We don't have any way to know how much of the delay is because Apple is slow, how much is because of schedules at other companies, and how much is due to component shortages.

In the keynote presentation, Phil Schiller said they were already working with a number of other companies "to integrate lightning connectors into products you may choose to buy, for example this holiday season".

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That doesn't agree with Apple's statement during the iPhone 5 keynote presentation.

there are thousands of companies in the MFi program and Apple knows there would be leaks, NDA or not. so they dont tell anyone, trust me. they might tell only a couple top companies like Belkin and Bose.

goinskiing
Oct 30, 2012, 04:53 PM
The decision to withhold Lightning wasn't a Forstall decision, was it? Why wasn't the exec responsible for this made to walk the plank with the rest?

This is a much bigger mistake than Maps, in my opinion.

What would you have done differently, because it would need to change eventually?

PracticalMac
Oct 30, 2012, 05:44 PM
The decision to withhold Lightning wasn't a Forstall decision, was it? Why wasn't the exec responsible for this made to walk the plank with the rest?

This is a much bigger mistake than Maps, in my opinion.

I HOPE the shakeup we are seeing is a sign that Tim realizes Apple is making too many stupid mistakes.

DJsteveSD
Oct 30, 2012, 05:47 PM
In addition to secrecy, Apple is pushing AirPlay vs. wired approach.

I dont have "airplay" at work though. just a 30pin doc/speaker combo
:mad:

MeFromHere
Oct 30, 2012, 05:49 PM
there are thousands of companies in the MFi program and Apple knows there would be leaks, NDA or not. so they dont tell anyone, trust me. they might tell only a couple top companies like Belkin and Bose.

The keynote mentioned 4 companies by name, and said "others".

I'll grant you that Apple would be concerned with secrecy before the iPhone 5 was released. But after release there would be little point. We can only speculate about the details.

The mechanical drawings showing locations of connectors, cameras, etc. were released for iPhone 5 by September 19. Maybe sooner; that was the first day I looked for them.

The drawings for the latest batch of iPads are already available:
https://developer.apple.com/resources/cases/

So they aren't being sneaky or secretive about that stuff.

TheMacBookPro
Oct 30, 2012, 06:00 PM
yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off

If the connector location is changed, it's likely that it's an all new iPhone and you'd need a new dock anyways.

(plus I don't think Apple is all that concerned about making their shiny new iPhone compatible with an unauthorized third party accessory anyways)

oneMadRssn
Oct 30, 2012, 06:23 PM
What makes you think they haven't released the detailed specs? Just internet rumors.

Unless you're in the MFi program, you DON'T KNOW what specs have been released. And if you ARE in the program, you signed a non-disclosure agreement so you can't tell us.

We don't have any way to know how much of the delay is because Apple is slow, how much is because of schedules at other companies, and how much is due to component shortages.

In the keynote presentation, Phil Schiller said they were already working with a number of other companies "to integrate lightning connectors into products you may choose to buy, for example this holiday season".

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That doesn't agree with Apple's statement during the iPhone 5 keynote presentation.

We know Apple hasn't released the spec yet because they are releasing to some partners at the training for it's MFI partners in November; we know this because those partners have said so in various forms. Yes, this is technically speculation because it's not from the original source, but I would file it in the "they have no reason to lie so it's most likely true" folder.

We know from iphone5mod.com that sourcing the components (both the exact ones used by apple and 3rd party knock-offs) is easy and there is plenty of them.

Schiller said they are working with some partners, but he failed to mention the depth of level of that work.

hfuhruhurr
Oct 30, 2012, 07:07 PM
yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off

just make the 3.5mm peg detachable. if it's repositioned on the next phone then detach it from the base unit. if not, you're golden.

Analog Kid
Oct 30, 2012, 07:37 PM
What would you have done differently, because it would need to change eventually?
I would have ensured there wasn't a 3 month gap between product release and accessories for that product.

I have no problem with a new connector-- personally I've hated the 30pin dock connector since it replaced firewire back in the day. The fact that a new connector was inevitable is half the reason it wouldn't have been a big deal to share the specs-- everyone knew it would happen eventually.

I am sorry but what you are suggesting is not very realistic. You are suggesting Apple should've pre-announced the connector (and not the devices using new connector).
How is that not realistic? Going to the accessory makers and saying "we'll be releasing a new dock connector in September. Here's the specs if you're interested. We can't tell you much else about the form factor of the device yet" would have been perfectly reasonable.

You sound like the idea that iPhone4s wouldn't be the last phone ever made by Apple was a closely guarded secret or that the new connector hole is the defining feature of the new product. No, it's a connector that does all the same things the other connector does, just more nicely.

First of all, that is rather unprecedented. Apple is in the business of selling products to end users, not to OEM like Intel. Furthermore, unlike Thunderbolt and FireWire, Lightning is not meant to be adopted by non-Apple products.

Secondly, announcing a new connector would officially confirm that all the existing devices with 30-pin connector (both Apple and 3rd party) are about to become obsolete (or at least deprecated). I suspect this is one of the few reasons why Apple decided to update 9.7-inch iPad now. That would in turn trigger massive decline in sale (and inventory to pile up). Meanwhile, months go by until Apple can finally unveil and ship new products.

iPhone's success is largely driven by the ecosystem it supports-- apps and accessories. Apple gets revenue from every official accessory, and they get brand lock in through their accessories. By keeping Lightning so secret, they've cut off the air supply to their own ecosystem.

The fact that they hung all these guys out to dry has certainly earned them some ill will. The fact that their customers have zero accessories available months after release has certainly earned them some ill will.

Lightning was absolutely meant to be used by non-Apple products-- those made by Belkin, Griffin, BMW, Toyota, etc, etc. It doesn't appear to have been meant to be used with any Apple products at all, except one $20 cable. No dock, no nothing.
Having said that, Apple could've done a lot better. 30-pin to Lightning adapter should've been bundled with iPhone and 5th generation iPod touch. The adapter should've been available on the launch date. The adapter could've been better designed.

The adapter is a hack. Native Lightning accessories is where it's at. My phone is my alarm clock, and I can't see what time it is at night without propping the stupid thing up with a book-- one to prop it up, one to keep it from sliding down-- that's silly.

Apple has a reputation of being difficult to work with, and this is the new exhibit A. Someone should have gotten dinged for it.

FrizzleFryBen
Oct 30, 2012, 07:44 PM
I dont have "airplay" at work though. just a 30pin doc/speaker combo
:mad:

A: There's an adaptor for that
B: We all knew of lightning before the 5 was released.

Look, if I buy a new car, I don't get mad at Ford when K & N hasn't released a high flow intake because Ford didn't give them the specs before they released it. If you're an informed consumer, you think of these things before making a purchase.

KdParker
Oct 30, 2012, 08:42 PM
good first attempt.

Analog Kid
Oct 30, 2012, 10:07 PM
Look, if I buy a new car, I don't get mad at Ford when K & N hasn't released a high flow intake because Ford didn't give them the specs before they released it. If you're an informed consumer, you think of these things before making a purchase.
An informed consumer does think about these things, which is another reason this was a mistake on Apple's part. They don't want people deciding not to buy because they can't find a dock. They also don't want people leaving the brand because they fear this will keep happening over and over.

I'm sure we could go back and forth for days about what parts Ford ensures are ready to go before they roll a car out the door versus the ones that lag, but if Ford rolled a car out with zero advance press that was incompatible with every bike rack, snow tire and synthetic oil on the market-- it would fail miserably.

nagromme
Oct 30, 2012, 10:14 PM
The awful, unforgiveable Seven Weeks With Too Few iPhone Accessories nightmare will pass. It’s hard to believe now, but this blinding agony will be quickly forgotten!

(Luckily, even my 5-year-old Griffin iTrip works with my iPhone 5 + adapter. It charges, the physical controls work, the audio works—it’s perfect. Ditto for my boombox and my various chargers dating back years. All I’m missing is video out... but I’ve already decided AppleTV is worth more to me than an adapter.)

Analog Kid
Oct 30, 2012, 10:46 PM
The awful, unforgiveable Seven Weeks With Too Few iPhone Accessories nightmare will pass. Itís hard to believe now, but this blinding agony will be quickly forgotten!
I sure hope so, because right now I can only leave the fetal position long enough to hit refresh on Amazon...

phinsup
Oct 31, 2012, 12:13 AM
Really who cares if the lightning cable was leaked, it's really not a big deal and it would have helped both consumers and retailers to have the lightning accessories on the shelf when the phone released.

Keeping a lot things secret makes sense for building hype, but I don't think i've talked to anyone that was overwhelmingly excited about a new cable standard, it certainly didn't help the hype machine or sell more phones.

It would have been one thing if apple had a ton of lightning accessories at launch but that was not the case. They had a usb cable and an adapter, I guess the idea was to have everyone buy the adapter.

VPrime
Oct 31, 2012, 01:22 AM
I just bout a cheap knock off $5 lightning cable from dx.com..
The description said it can charge and sync, but I would be happy if it just charges as I bought it for the car charger.

Reason077
Oct 31, 2012, 03:43 AM
I'm perfectly okay with this. To be honest, I never purchased OEM 30pin sync cables from Apple anyways, I would get the inexpensive third party look-alikes from eBay.

The quality of the unlicensed 3rd-party 30-pin cables you get on eBay is, in my experience, very poor. They tend to be quite sensitive (lose the connection on movement, don't work well with dirty/damaged sync ports on devices, etc), and the connectors sometimes fall apart after a few weeks/months of use.

Sure, they're very cheap, and you can buy like 10 or 20 for the price of one genuine cable. But having to replace unreliable cables regularly is pretty annoying.

I just hope that if 3rd parties are making lightning connectors, they ramp up the quality level a lot.

Nightarchaon
Oct 31, 2012, 04:26 AM
Coming in the next iOS update, apple adds a secret "feature" that detects when you attach a non-approved third party cable or dock and permanently disables the port, when you take it in to the apple store the run a software check and it says you invalidated warranty by attaching a non-approved cable or dock that has "damaged" the phone/ipad, and then attempt to sell you a new phone/ipad

Apple post even more record profits off the sale of iPhones and iPads

Apple stock continues to soar

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Macman45
Oct 31, 2012, 04:29 AM
Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.

I looked at some of the knock off stuff on Amazon and have decided that if you ask yourself a couple of basic questions then you don't need a dock any more. You only need to make a physical connection for IOS updates now, and the chip in the Lightning cable would deter me from buying any of these offerings. Apple will not be making a dock either, so I;m sticking with a stand and wifi syncing. I can only see issues with broken ports, pins stuck in the device etc if the current batch are used. That little pin set is bound to be super vulnerable to damage.

Reason077
Oct 31, 2012, 05:35 AM
You only need to make a physical connection for IOS updates now.

Actually since iOS 5, iOS has been able to update itself over-the-air.

But you still need to make a physical connection to *charge* the device.

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That little pin set is bound to be super vulnerable to damage.

Huh? The new dock connector seems much more robust than the old 30-pin one. Much more robust than a micro-USB, too, for that matter.

samsonib6
Oct 31, 2012, 05:53 AM
Any word on a lightening cable with video out. Would really like this to be able to use in my car.

MeFromHere
Oct 31, 2012, 08:50 AM
We know Apple hasn't released the spec yet because they are releasing to some partners at the training for it's MFI partners in November; we know this because those partners have said so in various forms. Yes, this is technically speculation because it's not from the original source, but I would file it in the "they have no reason to lie so it's most likely true" folder.

We know from iphone5mod.com that sourcing the components (both the exact ones used by apple and 3rd party knock-offs) is easy and there is plenty of them.

Schiller said they are working with some partners, but he failed to mention the depth of level of that work.

I read that Apple has a training event for MFi partners in November, with a focus on companies that actually manufacture stuff. I did NOT read that it is the FIRST training event, or that the specs haven't already been released to MFi designers.

Any company actually in the MFi program probably isn't saying anything; they don't want to be kicked out for violating the NDA. Can you point to a source that has given any first hand, on-the-record details?

iphone5mod.com claimed they have a source of parts, but I see no reason to believe their statement that they are genuine. iphone5mod.com is almost certainly selling unlicensed goods and they don't expect to stay in business (in their present form) for very long. Their business model is probably to sell as much as possible quickly before they are shut down. They have EVERY incentive to exaggerate about their products and their sources of components.

Why does iphone5mod.com include this in their product description:
"We have upgraded the iPhone 5 Classic Dock with an additional slot so that you can remove your iPhone 5 from the Lightning Connector and keep your iPhone 5 sitting on the dock upright in landscape mode (perfect for video playback!) after your iPhone 5 is fully charged. This prevents your iPhone 5 from over-charging..."?

There's no risk of over-charging an iPhone if you leave it plugged into a REAL USB-to-Lighting cable indefinitely. It sounds like there's a problem with this knock-off.

Apple controls the key parts, and only sells them to approved MFi partners. If Apple's supplier is selling parts without authorization, they'll cease to be Apple's supplier pretty quickly and they know it. I suspect iphone5mod.com has found a handful of sample parts, or rejects, or plain counterfeits. They've reverse engineered enough to (maybe) get some very basic functionality like charging to work.

As aggressively as Apple defends their patents, I expect they are ordering a few samples of all these fraudulent products. They'll take them apart, examine the components, and start hunting for the perpetrators. Probably a handful of items will slip through customs. But any vendor that achieves any sort of real volume will get squashed fairly fast I expect.

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Any word on a lightening cable with video out. Would really like this to be able to use in my car.

What kind of video signal do you need?

These two products from Apple have video output:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD825ZM/A/lightning-to-vga-adapter
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD826ZM/A/lightning-digital-av-adapter

lilgto64
Oct 31, 2012, 08:51 AM
I'm glad these have come out so quickly. As long as I've looked at a product's review history, I've never had any problem with any of the cheap knock-off versions of Apple connectors before - so I don't expect problems with these either.

This way I can have spare cables at various locations - e.g. car, office, in various bags - without having to take out a third mortgage (the second mortgage was needed for the original hardware purchase :D).

With about 17 iOS devices in the extended family - I have purchased a number of 3rd party wall chargers, 30pin cables and car chargers - I have had issues with a couple of them - one wall charger blew up (yes blew up - smoke coming out charring on the USB socket) - one cord that would charge but messed with the touch input - and a car charger that worked fine with older devices but will not properly charge the iPhone 4S - and a few that have connectors a tad bulky to plug in with some cases on. Overall I have been satisfied with them and while some have failed, none have cause any damage to anything but themselves. I like retractable cords for the car and my travel bag - and as far as I now Apple has never made those.

samsonib6
Oct 31, 2012, 09:47 AM
I have a Pioneer 1400DVD system in my car which has a USB for plugging in the Iphone for charging and audio. I am told with the 4s using AppRadio and AppMode on the radio, the IPhone screen would show on the screen of the system for apps such as Netflix, Waze, etc. This does not work now with the new Lightening cable.

iGrip
Oct 31, 2012, 10:24 AM
Coming in the next iOS update, apple adds a secret "feature" that detects when you attach a non-approved third party cable or dock and permanently disables the port, when you take it in to the apple store the run a software check and it says you invalidated warranty by attaching a non-approved cable or dock that has "damaged" the phone/ipad, and then attempt to sell you a new phone/ipad

Apple post even more record profits off the sale of iPhones and iPads

Apple stock continues to soar

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That would be great!

Why should Apple let anybody make money off of their har work? They can't be the R and D department for an entire industry.

And the miscreants who support the pirates deserve to have their devices bricked permanently.

And meanwhile, Apple stock sets new records. If it wasn't for Apple, this country would be in a recession. Do the Fandroid idiots and pirates ever think?

charlituna
Oct 31, 2012, 11:14 AM
But are they safe?

That is a very good question. I'm not going to be shocked if they aren't and Apple refuses covered service if you come in with a power issue after using one of these knockoff docks or cables.

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And if you ARE in the program, you signed a non-disclosure agreement so you can't tell us.


Cause that stopped the case makers, the folks at Foxconn or the component companies etc.

RVdave
Oct 31, 2012, 11:33 AM
yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off

If Apple starts playing games with the after market suppliers, to the detriment of Apple customers, goodbye Apple!

RVdave
Oct 31, 2012, 12:15 PM
That is a very good question. I'm not going to be shocked if they aren't and Apple refuses covered service if you come in with a power issue after using one of these knockoff docks or cables.

They better be able to attribute the failure directly to the after market device, because there's federal legislation that addresses warranties and after market devices (Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act).

MOKHAN
Oct 31, 2012, 01:37 PM
The quality of the unlicensed 3rd-party 30-pin cables you get on eBay is, in my experience, very poor. They tend to be quite sensitive (lose the connection on movement, don't work well with dirty/damaged sync ports on devices, etc), and the connectors sometimes fall apart after a few weeks/months of use.

Sure, they're very cheap, and you can buy like 10 or 20 for the price of one genuine cable. But having to replace unreliable cables regularly is pretty annoying.

I just hope that if 3rd parties are making lightning connectors, they ramp up the quality level a lot.

I can't say the same. In my experiences, they've all been perfectly functional.

anonymouslurker
Oct 31, 2012, 02:36 PM
We know Apple hasn't released the spec yet because they are releasing to some partners at the training for it's MFI partners in November; we know this because those partners have said so in various forms. Yes, this is technically speculation because it's not from the original source, but I would file it in the "they have no reason to lie so it's most likely true" folder.


Apple made the Lightning specs available on the MFi portal immediately after the iPhone 5 announcement.

I'd been checking daily for weeks prior, and they were there as soon as the announcement was over.

oneMadRssn
Oct 31, 2012, 03:04 PM
And the miscreants who support the pirates deserve to have their devices bricked permanently.

And meanwhile, Apple stock sets new records. If it wasn't for Apple, this country would be in a recession. Do the Fandroid idiots and pirates ever think?
Yes, I do think. I think that I own the hardware I buy, and I can do whatever I like with it. This applies to ALL hardware. Sears can't tell me what kind of nails I can hammer with a Craftsman hammer, Ford can't tell me what type of gas to buy, and neither should Apple tell me what kind of plug I can stick into my phone.

They can void my warrantee, that's fine. Having a good warrantee incentivizes complying with the company policies during the period of the warrantee (and who doesn't love a good incentive). However, you suggest that they should intentionally destroy hardware I own for non-compliance. To say this is absurd and immoral is an understatement. It's flat out disgusting. I own it, end of story. Apple got my money when I bought it, and it's up to me what I do with it afterwards. If they don't feel they got enough the first time, they should charge more the first time. I will not ever feel bad for tampering with my property, and it's fools like you who should do a little bit more thinking.

http://www.theartgalleryofknoxville.com/podcast/powr.broccoli-kopimi.pdf
See point 007.

http://kopimi.com/kopimi/k/kopimi_irssi.gif

Apple made the Lightning specs available on the MFi portal immediately after the iPhone 5 announcement.

I'd been checking daily for weeks prior, and they were there as soon as the announcement was over.
Can anyone else confirm this? If so, it's the first I've heard of it. As far as I know, there is no --official-- pin-out of the lightning cable, nor the chip controlling it, nor the spec of the controller chip.

hchung
Oct 31, 2012, 11:59 PM
We know Apple hasn't released the spec yet because they are releasing to some partners at the training for it's MFI partners in November; we know this because those partners have said so in various forms. Yes, this is technically speculation because it's not from the original source, but I would file it in the "they have no reason to lie so it's most likely true" folder.

We know from iphone5mod.com that sourcing the components (both the exact ones used by apple and 3rd party knock-offs) is easy and there is plenty of them.

Schiller said they are working with some partners, but he failed to mention the depth of level of that work.

That doesn't mean that ALL partners are getting the information in November.
I read that article. That meeting is in China.

Wasn't there a leak of a Scosche-made Lightning cable running around before the iPhone 5 launch? Obviously some partners got it earlier. Looks like they did a better job of keeping to their NDA too.

hchung
Nov 1, 2012, 12:17 AM
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Can anyone else confirm this? If so, it's the first I've heard of it. As far as I know, there is no --official-- pin-out of the lightning cable, nor the chip controlling it, nor the spec of the controller chip.

I'll say it's true. It's also true that I'm not in the MFI program, but I've seen enough to be convinced.

Smigit
Nov 1, 2012, 06:45 AM
Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.
All they need is a back rest...gravity will do the rest. The lightening connector will be fine if the dock is designed even remotely decently. Look at how many Android docks work fine with micro USB.

I am sorry but what you are suggesting is not very realistic. You are suggesting Apple should've pre-announced the connector (and not the devices using new connector).

Yeah pre-announcing lightening would have been difficult. Even if they had announced the specification in advance, without also offering the dimensions of the devices being produced they are still leaving probably the vast majority of manufacturers in the dark. They should have got the specifications out more shortly after the announcement, thats for sure, but I wouldn't expect it before hand.

It's a shame Apple didn't produce any docks of their own though to tide consumers over.

Reason077
Nov 1, 2012, 11:06 AM
I can't say the same. In my experiences, they've all been perfectly functional.

I'm sure there's better quality cables out there if you know where to look (or get lucky!).

But when you're buying knock-offs on eBay, it's hard to know what you're getting exactly. In the case of 30-pins, the cables I got always turned out to be pretty crappy.