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raptorstv
Nov 1, 2012, 01:36 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?



Lindenhurst
Nov 1, 2012, 01:38 PM
So all 2 of your friends counts as everyone?

spinedoc77
Nov 1, 2012, 01:39 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II

Maybe they are bored with Apple. That's my reason I didn't buy the iphone 5 and am planning on a Samsung to replace my iphone 4s. iOS is just too stale, I see Apple as unwilling to innovate anymore. I will never rule out going back to Apple, but for now they just aren't for me anymore.

Rodster
Nov 1, 2012, 01:51 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?

Maybe your friends saw the SG III commercials and realized it was them who were standing in line asking..maybe we'll get that next year? :p

I agree with spinedoc, Apple post Jobs is no longer worried about innovating. They are more concerned with playing prevent defense. I was concerned this would play out when Steve died and it's coming true. Even pro Apple tech writers are noticing this pattern.

Stuntman06
Nov 1, 2012, 02:04 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?

Did your friends say why they are switching to the SGS3 or Note 2?

raptorstv
Nov 1, 2012, 02:09 PM
I really want widgets on ios7

poobear
Nov 1, 2012, 02:27 PM
People get bored. And there are alternatives just as good.

(That's why people stay with Mac computers. Alternatives are not just as good)

sc4rf4c3
Nov 1, 2012, 02:31 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?

Simple, they want to try something new. If they find that those phones are not for them, they can always go back to the iPhone.

stockscalper
Nov 1, 2012, 03:24 PM
After owning two iPhones and experiencing the disappointment of Apple's closed system I wanted to try something different. I moved to Android and at this point I'll never go back. Even jailbroken the iPhone is extremely limited compared to the Android OS. To me IOS is like a bicycle with training wheels and Android is the bicycle with the training wheels removed.

But it's a matter of preference, not everybody wants the freedom and lack of limitations Android offers. They need the training wheels. I know two people right now who have the iPhone 4 and neither of them are doing anything more than talking and texting. When I tried to show them how they could get their email and set up their calendars both said the same thing - those things were too complicated for them. I use my phone to the max, but I've been around people long enough to know that even a bicycle with training wheels is too much for some folks. They just need a tricycle.

Bottom line, different strokes for different folks. Use what you like and like what you use. And be grateful you have choices.

thejadedmonkey
Nov 1, 2012, 03:27 PM
Forstall was kicked out for a reason. Across the board, iPhone surveys show declining percents - user satisfaction, would recommend, etc.

theluggage
Nov 1, 2012, 05:19 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?

I have Macs, an iPad 1, an iPad 3 (I'll re-home the '1' at some stage) and an old iPod Touch. I went with an Android phone (a HTC Hero) a few years ago mainly because I wanted to try a different system... I wasn't overly impressed with it but it did the job, but I was sure that I'd relent and go with the iPhone 5 when it came out. However, I didn't, and went for the Note 2 instead. Reasons:

1. The Maps debacle. I over-hastily upgraded my iPad to iOS 5 and was gobsmacked by the awfulness of Maps. I think the 'supporters' of Apple Maps are people who (a) live somewhere in the US with good map data and satellite imagery and/or (b) are more interested in the turn-by-turn feature than regular mapping. That was a big turn-off: my old Android suddenly had a superior Maps app to my new iPad. it set me wondering what feature Apple was going to cripple next.

2. Lack of gadget value. The iPhone 5 doesn't seem to have any killer new features - it's just a bit better all round than the 4s, I'm sure its a great phone but nothing jumps out as 'must-have'. Lets face it - if you're buying a smartphone you're probably a bit of the gadget freak, if you're not then you'd probably do better to grab a 4s at a reduced price.

3. The new connector. I appreciate that the old connector was past it's sell-by date, and I don't have many expensive iPad-enabled devices, but I still have a dock and multiple cables that I'd need top replace (and the cables don't come cheap). I wouldn't say this is a deal-breaker - but it somewhat nullifies the 'what about all my iPod kit' deterrent about defecting to Android (e.g. I've just been on a trip to the US and at least two of the hotels had iPod docks in the room).

Having said that, I'll repeat the big caveat: syncing media files (without committing them to the cloud). Possible, but not fun (covered ad nauseum elsewhere in this forum, but no, Penelope, you can't mount your phone as a disc drive on the Mac). Samsung's sync software works-ish, but if you want something that syncs music, media and photos like an iPhone, get an iPhone.

thinkinblue613
Nov 1, 2012, 05:42 PM
Some people have different preferences...

I wanted a phone that I can change batteries, sim cards, and offers expandable storage.

Software wise, I wanted to be able to customize my preferences. Android promotes these specifications more than Apple does. The real kicker though is the software.

Software features I like in Android more than iOS:

- File managing.

Being able to move and share to Apps, other than Facebook/Twitter, is awesome and convenient. Moving and sharing files is easier and simple. I like how I can use my phone as a 'USB drive' if I ever needed to. Drag and drop importing/exporting files on the CPU or Mac is better than relying on iTunes for some things.

- Notification center is actually useful enough to be used.

I can add toggles and expand things like texts, emails and screenshots from there. I use the NC daily and sometimes its all I need to use. The notification light has complimented it even more. Being able to tweak colors to differentiate between a text, missed call, email, app updates, low battery, charging, full charged and no signal has saved me the hassle of opening the phone when I don't need to.

- Task manager.

Being able to 'preview' my open apps and tasks is awesome. Sliding them away is even better. If I want them all out, one button can do it. With iOS, I got really tired of the tap, tap, tap, tap, tap trick just to close all my open apps. If they make Apple's task manager more like OS X 'Launcher' or expose, it'll be a lot better.

- Information.

I can see the exact details of my battery, storage, apps, and history. I monitor my data usage, which apps use the most battery life/data. It's changed the way I manage my resources on the phone. With iOS, I have an idea of how much I've used, but I don't know which apps use what amount of data. This is big deal for prepaid users, or in my case, when I travel.

- Flash Capability via xScope pro.

I love this browser and highly recommend it to any Android user. If you know what you're doing, it'll be the only browser you'll want to use. The one thing its missing is 'reader' mode, but I have Firefox for that. I know flash isn't important for most people, but again, its nice to have it.

- Google Now

I do like Siri's presentation and graphics more, but her speed of getting information and that 'voice' is behind the current competition. Google Now's voice talk back makes Apple's Siri sound ancient. They have to improve that. The one thing I do wish Android can add is ratings whenever I search for businesses, or POI's.

A lot of what I mentioned above is what Apple has to improve to catch up. If they don't, the long-term outlook won't be good for the iPhone. And that product is the backbone of Apple, right now. Android isn't perfect either, yet right now its what satisfies my needs/preferences when it comes to a mobile smartphone.

onthecouchagain
Nov 1, 2012, 06:03 PM
Let me help with another list of reasons why Android may be better than iOS:


Better Voice Search Results – Like Siri, Google Now assists you with everyday tasks. You can ask it a questions and it speaks the answer — while it displays related graphics. But this app now goes beyond Siri because it learns about you through your searches, and automatically alerts you — without you needing to ask for things. For example, Google Now knows when you need to leave for work and from which gate your flight is departing. It also automatically displays things like sports scores, traffic and weather. It will even alert you if there’s a traffic jam and automatically recommends places around you like restaurants. But its biggest advantage, is the relevance and accuracy of the data it provides. Most experts say it’s better than Siri in this area.


Superior Maps & Navigation Services – Although iOS 6 now has 3D maps and turn-by-turn navigation, everyone including Apple agrees Android is ahead when it comes to maps. Google Maps is included on every Android device and has public transit maps (bus, subway and train, walking maps, street view maps, terrain indication, offline maps and cycling maps. iOS 6 Maps is missing all of the preceding. Many of Google’s 3D maps were taken with 3D cameras. Most of Apple’s 3D maps are synthesized by computer, which is why they often look bad. Google Maps are more accurate and contain more detail than iOS 6 Maps. Google also does a better job locating addresses and has a better 3D interface for driving directions. Google Maps also has better traffic reporting. Of course third-party iOS apps do address some of these deficiencies, but no single app can compete with Google today. Google continues to move aggressively in this area by adding new high-res aerial and satellite imagery along with new 45 degree views and indoor maps. iOS 6 Maps are so bad that Apple’s CEO actually apologized for them and is now recommending users use Bing or Google Maps.


A Digital Wallet Which Can Buy Things Today – Apple’s Passport shows promise, but it’s the only digital wallet I know of, which won’t let you purchase anything. Android supports near field communication (NFC) and Google Wallet which lets you buy things at over 300,000+ PayPass cash registers. After setting up Google Wallet on an NFC equipped phone like a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, you simply touch your phone to the payment terminal and the rest is done for you. Google Wallet is currently accepted at more than twenty retail chains including 7 Eleven, Best Buy, CVS Pharmacy, Duane Reade, Einstein Bros Bagels, Footlocker, Home Depot, Jack in the Box, McDonald’s, Peet’s Coffee, Pinkberry, Rite Aid, Sports Authority, Whole Foods and more. You can learn more about Google Wallet here.
Better Data Sharing Between Apps – It’s easiest to explain system intents by contrasting the sharing options between an iOS app and an Android app. When I share on my iOS Notes app I’m given four different sharing choices: Mail, Message, Print and Copy. When I share on my Android Notes app, I’m offered the ability to share via Bluetooth, Google Drive, Dropbox, Email, Facebook, Gmail, Google+, Read It Later, SkyDrive, Text Message, Twitter, Wi-Fi Direct, WordPress Blog and 17 other apps. The actual list of varies depending on which apps you have installed. Google realizes they cannot be best at everything, and allows their customers to choose which apps they want to interact with. All Android apps support this feature.


Touch-to-Share Anything – Android Beam allows any two NFC-equipped devices to send data by simply by tapping them together. This allows Android users to share web pages, maps, You Tube videos, contacts and links to apps. Starting with Android 4.1, Android Beam makes it possible to share photos and video by using Bluetooth for the data transfer. Samsung’s S Beam combines NFC with Wi-Fi Direct. This makes it possible to transfer almost anything — including documents, music playlists, photos and larger videos between two Samsung devices. Here is a video of S Beam in action.


More Advanced Multitasking – Apple places restrictions on third-party apps which run in the background. In most cases, they are suspended and not allowed to communicate with other apps when running in the background. Android has no restrictions like this and supports true-multitasking. This makes it possible to do things which cannot be done on the iOS platform.
Samsung’s “Pop up Play” feature, allows videos to hover, so you can text and watch a video at the same time. It’s also possible to have two apps visible at one time on devices like the Samsung Galaxy Tab. This is a good example of what’s possible with true multitasking.


Smart Widgets – Widgets can be placed anywhere and provide you with weather updates, stock quotes, recent e-mails, or your calendar. Widgets are always visible and updated in real-time without needing to launch an app. Widgets also provide easy access to system and application settings. Want to disable Wi-Fi or GPS services? Use a widget. With Android 4.1, widgets are now “smart” and automatically resize themselves based on the amount of room available on the screen. You can get widget-like iOS apps, but they can only run on your lock screen, and some require a jail-broken phone, or third-party software to run.


Open Source – The underlying architecture of the Android is open-source. This makes it much more customizable than iOS. Not only is the Android OS customizable, handset manufacturers like Samsung open source their software for individual phones like the Galaxy S III. This makes it relatively easy for developers to improve on what both Google and Samsung have done to date. A wide range of different custom ROMs can be easily loaded onto rooted phones. These ROMs often have significant benefits over the stock Android OS when it comes to performance, features and battery life. iOS 6 is a closed operating system. Although in theory it can be jail-broken, it’s much harder to do. At the time of this writing, the iPhone 5 had not yet been jail broken. Expert say jailbreaks are going to be harder in the future.


More Advanced Notifications – Although notifications have improved in iOS 6, Android still has advantages in this area. You can tell at a glance what types of notifications have occurred, and clear all with a single click. Android 4.1 also has rich push notifications, which can be expanded and collapsed with a pinch. These notifications offer even more contextual information and are now actionable. That means if you’re notified about a meeting, you can dismiss it right from the notification bar, or email others about the meeting. You can also call or text someone right from the pull-down notification menu.


Ability to Set Default Software – One of the most powerful Android features is the ability to change the default software the OS uses for different tasks. For example, if you want to the Dolphin browser to open any URL (instead of the stock Android browser), just pick the app you want to use. Want to use a different app for turn-by-turn directions or media playback? Pick one, and it will use that app every time. This is an incredibly powerful feature. You can even replace the stock keyboard with a 3rd party keyboard like SwiftKey3. Apple doesn’t allow this.


Easier File Transfers – It’s a major hassle to get anything but photos on or off of an iOS device. With Android devices there’s no need to use iTunes or iCloud to copy media. Just connect a USB cable, and your mobile device will appear on your desktop like a hard disk. You can then drag and drop any type of file or folder to copy (or move) it. This is a really big deal.
Easier Access to App Settings – Android users can either use an in-app Menu button, or onscreen widgets to manage apps settings. iPhone users must use the Settings app every time they want to change app settings, or turn off Bluetooth.


More Open App Store – Although this is a platform benefit, it’s important. Google Play has far less restrictions than the App store. There is a long list of apps Apple won’t allow, including apps which compete with iTunes, free Wi-Fi tethering apps, VoIP apps which use technologies like Google Talk, and great utilizes like Farproc’s Wi-Fi Analyzer. Another Android advantage is the quantity and quality of alternative app stores including: AppBrain, GetJar, Handango, Handmark, and the Amazon App Store, which offers one paid app a day for free. The only apps which can be installed outside the Apple app store are Cydia apps, which are only available for jailbroken devices.
Smart App Updates – Smart app updates is a better way to deliver app updates to devices. Google Play now delivers only the parts of an updated app which have changed to devices, rather than the entire app. This makes the app updates much faster to download, and conserve both battery and data usage.


A More Advanced Keyboard – Android’s in-line spell checker and suggestion modes work better than Apple’s today. The Android 4.1 keyboard now guesses what the next word will be before you’ve started typing it. You don’t even need an Internet connection to see the suggestions. The Android keyboard also lets you add dictionaries, gives you control over auto-correct and has advanced settings.


A Persistent Back Button – Android’s Back button is available at all times. Some iOS apps expose a Back or similar command, but it’s not always visible and available on all screens. This is one of the features I miss the most when jumping back and forth between Android and iOS.
Apps Crash Less – I use iOS 6 and Android 4.1 many hours a day. Apps occasionally crash on both, but I experience more crashes on iOS 6 — especially while using the Safari app with multiple tabs open. Other studies have confirmed that iOS apps crash more than Android apps.


Better Graphics Scaling on Tablets – Android automatically stretches apps so they look good on screens of all sizes. Many iOS apps still have to be blown up to occupy the entire iPad screen. When you do this, the graphics look distorted and funny. Really? I thought this was an issue with Android tablets?


Data & Resource Monitoring – Android makes it easy to see exactly how much data and system resources every app is using (memory, data, battery, etc). It even warns you when you’re getting close to your data cap. This is a really useful feature.


Extensive Customization Options – There are so many ways you can customize Android devices it would be impossible to list them all here. Almost anything can be changed in the Android ecosystem.
Moving Wallpapers – Live wallpapers run on all devices running Android 4.0 and later. They allow you to run cool animations or videos on every home screen, without rooting your phone, or needing to use a third-party app.
Haptic Feedback – The Android OS and most Android devices support haptic feedback. This gives you a little tactile vibration when you type, long press, or touch any of the navigation buttons. This makes it clear your touch was acknowledged, so you don’t have to tap twice. Haptic feedback also makes games much more enjoyable to play.


More Screen Unlock Options – Android now has five different ways to unlock your screen: A slider (which lets you access the home screen or camera), pattern unlock, PIN unlock, password unlock and Face unlock.


Third-party Alternate Keyboards – There are some outstanding third-party keyboard apps that run on all Android phones and have many advantages over the stock iOS 6 keyboard. Some of the best keyboards include Swype, which lets you create words by tracing between the letters on the keyboard. Swype can even sync your personal dictionary across all of your Android devices. SwiftKey 3 goes even further by predicting the next word in your sentence based on past behavior. To save time you can personalize it using your Gmail, Facebook, Twitter or blog posts. This can save you a massive number of keystrokes, as you can see from the screenshot on the right. SwiftKey and other 3rd-party keyboards also have extensive customization options unlike iOS. There are other good keyboards as well. Here’s a good review of some of the best ones.


Full Stylus Support – Although you can use a capacitive stylus on an iOS device, the OS has very limited support for it. You won’t get the same level of expression you get on a Samsung Galaxy Note II, which has 1,024 levels of pressure sensitivity. iOS also won’t let you toggle between a brush, pencil or eraser by simply holding the stylus above the screen and clicking a button. The stylus on Note II even lets you preview emails, photos or videos by hovering slightly above the screen. Here are some more things you can do with a stylus.


Unlimited E-mail Attachments – iOS 6 only allows you to attach images or video to messages. Android allows you to attach Word docs, PowerPoint presentations or any other document to an e-mail. This is especially important for those trying to use their tablet as a laptop replacement.


Flash Support – Flash may be a dying format which is no longer supported by Adobe on Android 4.1, but it’s easy to install and nice to be able to visit Flash-based websites or play any of millions of Flash videos which are still around.


4.2 should add:

-Photo Steer Panaroma
-Separate log-in accounts for tablets
-Gesture swiping in default keyboard
-Quick Settings pulldown menu
-Widgets in lock screen

cynics
Nov 1, 2012, 09:06 PM
3 of my good friends just recently switched from iPhones to S3's. Two of which had 4's and the other had a 4S.

The two that had 4's I'm not surprised. However my friend that had a 4S blows my mind. He has macs, mbp, 2 iPads and had every version of the iPhone. I won't be surprised if he switches back. However he was going on how he loved the S3.

All of which were long term iPhone users. It went from 100% of my friends having iPhones to me slowly becoming the minority. The people that I know won't switch could really care less about a smartphone.

Nabooly
Nov 1, 2012, 09:18 PM
I'm so sick of iOS and not being able to do much. Maybe it's just me or something but I feel suffocated and constricted from the OS.

My reasons:
-Phone app sucks
-Can't multitask at all
-Small screen (I have the 4, 5 still small and bad proportions)
-camera
-slide to unlock
-limited memory
-Notifications are extremely inconsistent

I know I have the 4 so I'm sure the 5 deals with some of these issues but it's still the same general OS. Nothing new. I'll be switching to the Note2, waiting for verizon to release it.

PS does anyone else have a bunch of older folks asking how to use their new iphone? I seem to attract these people left and right. This phone was made for them.

marc11
Nov 1, 2012, 09:19 PM
Apple started to lose me with Lion, iOS 6 and then nailed it with the quick upgrade of the iPad. Sure, they can upgrade whenever they want, I just felt slighted by it. The last few OS and iOS releases portrayed a trend which was reinforced in my mind that Apple is getting aggressive in its strategy to "force" users to upgrade expensive hardware at an ever accelrating pace by leaving out features and functionality that clearly could have been enabled on the older devices.

And then came the bugs, the half baked functions, the change of features and functions that were changed for no reason but to change them and even with that, they were executed poorly. (and please I do not need to type out examples, these forums are littered with them)

iOS and OSX no longer feels fresh or exciting, the product releases are small iterations generally speaking and new hardware is built for planned replacement cycles, no more user upgrades to extend life. To me, Apple is no longer about the user, it no longer "just works" there are so many issues, sometimes minor, sometimes major and the excuse now is "oh, you should upgrade to the newest XXXXXX product, it will work much better" line. What's worse is these OS' are not longer rock solid and stable as they once were; putting reliability in the OS in question in my mind....and I haven't even touched the disaster that is iCloud and iTunes Match.


So I tried Android 4.1 with the Nexus 7 and was blown away by its polish, its ability to make it fit MY lifestyle, MY way and not forced to do it Googles way. Is it perfect, nope, but it feels fresh, it feels modern and 4.2 from all reports is even better. Then the devices, maybe they do not use premium materials like Apple, but they give the users a ton of technology in an acceptable package for a reasonable price, often with the ability for the user to expand its abilities, such as using sd cards for expanded memory.

I feel Apple has lost its way in many regards, it has lost its way with being revolutionary, it contradicts itself in product and market and while offering still a great ecosystem hasn't shown me the future.

So for that, while I still own 13 Apple devices, and may always own Apple devices, two new Android devices will be in my house this month; change is good, I like to embrace it.

3bs
Nov 1, 2012, 09:23 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?

It's not really about cool and uncool. I switched from a 4S to a GS3 because I got really bored with iOS. I only had an iPhone 4 and 4S but I just couldn't stand iOS anymore. I slightly miss the ease of of syncing everything with iTunes and I'm probably one of the very few people who actually like iTunes.

Gangnam Style
Nov 1, 2012, 09:36 PM
3 of my good friends just recently switched from iPhones to S3's. Two of which had 4's and the other had a 4S.

The two that had 4's I'm not surprised. However my friend that had a 4S blows my mind. He has macs, mbp, 2 iPads and had every version of the iPhone. I won't be surprised if he switches back. However he was going on how he loved the S3.

All of which were long term iPhone users. It went from 100% of my friends having iPhones to me slowly becoming the minority. The people that I know won't switch could really care less about a smartphone.

I use to be like your friends. I only thought iPhones rulled the world and maybe they did until this year.
I really have seen many people dump iPhones and buy Android phones.
I myself have done the same and have been happy. Not going back.
I may go back to an iPhone someday but that will depend on what they bring to the market.
The iPhone 5 has been a boring and needs something new.

aznguyen316
Nov 1, 2012, 09:42 PM
I switched b/c I got a good trade offer for 4s to GS3 plus I wanted LTE. I got more value out of the GS3 and then ended up trading it plus cash for a Razr M. I want a iP5 though lol.

3bs
Nov 1, 2012, 09:45 PM
I switched b/c I got a good trade offer for 4s to GS3 plus I wanted LTE. I got more value out of the GS3 and then ended up trading it plus cash for a Razr M. I want a iP5 though lol.

How come?

faroZ06
Nov 1, 2012, 09:45 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?

You care more about which one is cool than which one you want? I really couldn't care less what phones my friends used. Most of my friends have the 4S, which they bought after the 4 for some reason.

What I AM glad about is that pretty much everyone in my grade uses a Mac. Finally, people have to cater to Mac users. Show people a .EXE, and they get very angry (except for those who use WINE, who get mildly annoyed).

ITS ME DAVID
Nov 1, 2012, 09:47 PM
Those that go from iOS to android coke back once they see all the flaws and how crappy the Samsung hardware are

3bs
Nov 1, 2012, 09:48 PM
Those that go from iOS to android coke back once they see all the flaws and how crappy the Samsung hardware are

People always say that. I did the first time I got an Android phone but this time I can't imagine myself going back! I actually did have to use my 4S for 4 or maybe 5 days and it was hell.

onthecouchagain
Nov 1, 2012, 09:54 PM
I feel Apple has lost its way in many regards, it contradicts itself in product and market...



Yes... SO this.

In the official iPad Mini video, Ive explicitly says "...you can still pick it up and easily use it with one hand..." Easily! Earlier in the video, they make the distinction that you can hold it with one hand, but at the 2:10 mark, they're clearly talking about using it with one hand.

(Here's the vid: http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/#video-ipad-mini-features)

Going by that reasoning, any device can be used one handed, yet according to their iPhone 5 campaign, one of the main talking points is that anything larger than a 4" smartphone is unusable with one hand.

So either the iPad Mini can be used one handed (like it says in the video) and therefore so can other smaller smartphones, or nothing above the iPhone 5 screen size (like it says in the iPhone campaigns) can be used one handed in which case the iPad Mini video is a lie.

Disingenuous?

dmelgar
Nov 1, 2012, 09:56 PM
Why is everyone creating threads complaining about Apple products on an Apple forums website? Why doesn't this stop.

How about all the complaining threads gets merged into a single complaining thread about the world ending.

Is this legit or just trying to insight heated argument?

Vegastouch
Nov 1, 2012, 09:56 PM
Those that go from iOS to android coke back once they see all the flaws and how crappy the Samsung hardware are

I didnt. Went to Android June 2010 and havent been back.

onthecouchagain
Nov 1, 2012, 09:58 PM
Anyway, to get back on topic... I too noticed a huge influx of S3 owners amongst my friends and colleagues. And whenever friends or family talk about alternatives to the iPhone, there's only one other option: the S3.

aznguyen316
Nov 1, 2012, 10:00 PM
How come?

iMessage first and foremost. There really isn't a great group sms option on android. All my closest friends are on iPhones and I miss having iMessage group chats. They're nice enough to use groupme to group chat with me on android, but I'm still missing out on my sister/brother chat etc. Plus I find MMS to work much better on iPhone. Sometimes I'll get missed or delayed MMS on my phone, always been the case, whether I was on my Droid Eris, S3 or now Razr M. Have to click "download" at times even though I have auto d/l for MMS.

Also after using a galaxy s3 for 2 months, and then trading + receiving cash for a Razr M, I realized screen size is truly preference and should not be considered a con when comparing phones. The M is a 4.3" phone but form factor wise it's very similar in dimensions as an iPhone 5. I love using the M now, one handed and the battery life kicks butt. THe things that are lacking however are two areas where the iP5 shines: screen (although the M's is great, it's not IPS still, so not as sharp - damn pentile) and camera. Other than that to me, iOS and Android are a wash in terms of OS.. I just miss iMessage and the 4" screen of the iP5 would do me fine, although I wouldn't mind a slightly larger screen for slightly larger footprint.

marc11
Nov 1, 2012, 10:01 PM
Why is everyone creating trolling threads complaining about Apple products on an Apple forums website? Why doesn't this stop.

How about all the complaining threads gets merged into a single complaining thread about the world ending.

Um you do know this is an alternative to iOS forum and most if not all the people here own both iOS and Android...

dmelgar
Nov 1, 2012, 10:02 PM
If this is true, I'd say Samsung's marketing has worked.

Samsung has tried to turn Apple's success against them. Making fun of people lining up for the best product. They've also managed to hijack the patent trial message. They blatantly intentionally copy everything possible from the iPhone they play the victim. They've been masterful at it. I keep thinking that Google and the Android community has helped as well to attack Apple. Its impossible to start a positive thread on this website without Android folks piling on claiming inferior devices are superior.

I also wonder if Steve Jobs being gone has made Apple lose the human face of Apple. The reality distortion field has been shut off.

There are lots of absurd claims going around. I think the worst is saying the iPhone 5 is just like the iPhone 4/4S. There's nothing the same between them.

It doesn't seem possible to change the message.


I moved this year from Android to iOS. I thought there would be a wave of disgruntled Android users moving to iOS. Android phones are appliances. You bought it you're stuck with it. Little vendor support once the phone is no longer sold. Folks that have been burned would be pleased to get an iPhone instead. Yet I hear amazingly little of this point of view.

Apple OC
Nov 1, 2012, 10:03 PM
Why is everyone creating trolling threads complaining about Apple products on an Apple forums website? Why doesn't this stop.

How about all the complaining threads gets merged into a single complaining thread about the world ending.

actually I think they started this sub for all the Android Flame threads being started in the iPhone forum.

personally I have never met an iPhone user that wanted to switch.

dmelgar
Nov 1, 2012, 10:04 PM
Um you do know this is an alternative to iOS forum and most if not all the people here own both iOS and Android...

Where-ever the thread is on this Apple forum's site, Android folks come out in mass to put down iOS. I have never noticed iOS subsections on Android forum websites that I follow.

3bs
Nov 1, 2012, 10:08 PM
Where-ever the thread is on this Apple forum's site, Android folks come out in mass to put down iOS. I have never noticed iOS subsections on Android forum websites that I follow.

I guess that just comes to prove how awesome MacRumors is :)

Why can't people own both iOS and Android devices? Or Mac and Android. You might get people like that but you also get people like ITS ME DAVID who come here and try to do the same thing. Just ignore them.

Apple OC
Nov 1, 2012, 10:14 PM
Where-ever the thread is on this Apple forum's site, Android folks come out in mass to put down iOS. I have never noticed iOS subsections on Android forum websites that I follow.

That is because most Apple users are not on this forum and the Apple users who are here are not on the Android Forums or likely care about them.

Djlild7hina
Nov 1, 2012, 10:14 PM
For me it was how lackluster iOS6 was and based on the iPhone 5 leaks. I also love the bigger screen on the SIII. I have way too many apps in the apple ecosystem though so I'll probably go back to iOS when iOS 7/iPhone 5S/6 comes out

Sacird
Nov 1, 2012, 10:16 PM
iPhone is still doing good, but it's going to get Windows'd in a sense. There is absolutely zero way to compete with high prices they ask and such limited selection. The list for Droid phones advantages is kind of getting pretty big. Sad thing is if MS can't make a dent then google is the new MS of the mobile market and that is bad for consumers in the long run. 90% + incoming it seems. That and of course the trillion Android devices that come out each year. Just impossible to keep up really. Look how many Win8 stuff is already out on the PC side.

I don't think we need to attempt to spin how having most all the market is actually a good thing because it simply is not for consumers. I blame Apple in a lot of ways, they did get lazy.

cynics
Nov 1, 2012, 10:16 PM
Yes... SO this.

In the official iPad Mini video, Ive explicitly says "...you can still pick it up and easily use it with one hand..." Easily! Earlier in the video, they make the distinction that you can hold it with one hand, but at the 2:10 mark, they're clearly talking about using it with one hand.

(Here's the vid: http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/#video-ipad-mini-features)

Going by that reasoning, any device can be used one handed, yet according to their iPhone 5 campaign, one of the main talking points is that anything larger than a 4" smartphone is unusable with one hand.

So either the iPad Mini can be used one handed (like it says in the video) and therefore so can other smaller smartphones, or nothing above the iPhone 5 screen size (like it says in the iPhone campaigns) can be used one handed in which case the iPad Mini video is a lie.

Disingenuous?

Or the headphone ad with iPhone 5 that are designed for ears?!? Wtf have you been selling me since the OG iPod?!?!?

I know apple probably didn't create the round earplugs but they been pushing them for so long they might as well have. Then to tell me the new ones are designed for ears unlike the old ones?!

onthecouchagain
Nov 1, 2012, 10:17 PM
Or the headphone ad with iPhone 5 that are designed for ears?!? Wtf have you been selling me since the OG iPod?!?!?

I know apple probably didn't create the round earplugs but they been pushing them for so long they might as well have. Then to tell me the new ones are designed for ears unlike the old ones?!

Heh, true. But those are sort of as bad as Samsung's S3 ads "designed for humans". (Never was particularly a fan of Samsung's ads and techniques either, but they sure were effective.)

Anybody want to take a stab at the disparity I point out:


In the official iPad Mini video, Ive explicitly says "...you can still pick it up and easily use it with one hand..." Easily! Earlier in the video, they make the distinction that you can hold it with one hand, but at the 2:10 mark, they're clearly talking about using it with one hand.

(Here's the vid: http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/#video-ipad-mini-features)

Going by that reasoning, any device can be used one handed, yet according to their iPhone 5 campaign, one of the main talking points is that anything larger than a 4" smartphone is unusable with one hand.

So either the iPad Mini can be used one handed (like it says in the video) and therefore so can other smaller smartphones, or nothing above the iPhone 5 screen size (like it says in the iPhone campaigns) can be used one handed in which case the iPad Mini video is a lie.

Disingenuous?

Lindsford
Nov 1, 2012, 10:20 PM
I've also noticed this. Many of my close friends and family members have switched from iPhones in the past month or 2 and all of them are extremely pleased with it. Everyone switched for the same reasons. Mostly bored with iOS.

I find myself also bored with the home screen. I miss my JB features like SBsettings being able to mess with that stuff with one swipe is extremely convenient.

I love iTunes and how easy it is to Backup, restore and manage all my content with a few clicks. All while my iPhone is upstairs charging.

Still trying to find a cheap GS3 on Craigslist to mess around with

cynics
Nov 1, 2012, 10:31 PM
Where-ever the thread is on this Apple forum's site, Android folks come out in mass to put down iOS. I have never noticed iOS subsections on Android forum websites that I follow.

Maybe your too busy putting down Android to notice the iOS sections of Android forums. :)

Android Central

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/02/a4yvyheh.jpg

iPhone developers

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/02/uzygu3yb.jpg

dmelgar
Nov 1, 2012, 10:39 PM
Maybe your too busy putting down Android to notice the iOS sections of Android forums. :)

Android Central

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/02/a4yvyheh.jpg)

iPhone developers

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/02/uzygu3yb.jpg)

Ok. I'll stand down. Nevermind.

marc11
Nov 1, 2012, 10:40 PM
Where-ever the thread is on this Apple forum's site, Android folks come out in mass to put down iOS. I have never noticed iOS subsections on Android forum websites that I follow.

Then good on Macrumors for getting that people own and like to disucss or explore devices from both companies.

dmelgar
Nov 1, 2012, 10:45 PM
actually I think they started this sub for all the Android Flame threads being started in the iPhone forum.

personally I have never met an iPhone user that wanted to switch.

I had an iPhone 3G for just under 2 years. Went to Android for 3 years and just came back to the iPhone 5. My 2 Android phones were never well supported and essentially didn't work. I was always waiting for software updates to fix them but they never came. All the devices were HTC. The updates that they did provide made things worse. Maybe thats why HTC is in such trouble now.

3 years ago I had a big list of things Android could do that iOS couldn't. Now in iOS6, iOS has equivalent, sometimes superior implementations. With the best support, and best industrial design. I'm surprised I don't see more folks jumping ship to iOS.

sc4rf4c3
Nov 2, 2012, 08:04 AM
iMessage first and foremost. There really isn't a great group sms option on android. All my closest friends are on iPhones and I miss having iMessage group chats. They're nice enough to use groupme to group chat with me on android, but I'm still missing out on my sister/brother chat etc. Plus I find MMS to work much better on iPhone. Sometimes I'll get missed or delayed MMS on my phone, always been the case, whether I was on my Droid Eris, S3 or now Razr M. Have to click "download" at times even though I have auto d/l for MMS.

I've been using Handcent and group sms is working fine. The reason you're seeing delayed MMS or have to click download is because the message was sent using iMessage.

aznguyen316
Nov 2, 2012, 08:19 AM
I've used handcent and gosmspro. Both do have group messaging yes but they're terribly slow and it lags the heck out of the phone - the S3 and M. Good luck using it in a fast paced conversation. It comes in as an Mms to the individual mailbox and then moves over to the group. Then notifications are screwed up because it's thinking it's from a person rather than going to group upon clicking notification. This is why there's a big thread on rootzwiki for a group implementation on Mms.apk. Right now there's not a great SMS method for grouping. Verizon messaging is closest yet still very poor.

opinioncircle
Nov 2, 2012, 08:27 AM
Apple started to lose me with Lion, iOS 6 and then nailed it with the quick upgrade of the iPad. Sure, they can upgrade whenever they want, I just felt slighted by it. The last few OS and iOS releases portrayed a trend which was reinforced in my mind that Apple is getting aggressive in its strategy to "force" users to upgrade expensive hardware at an ever accelrating pace by leaving out features and functionality that clearly could have been enabled on the older devices.

And then came the bugs, the half baked functions, the change of features and functions that were changed for no reason but to change them and even with that, they were executed poorly. (and please I do not need to type out examples, these forums are littered with them)

iOS and OSX no longer feels fresh or exciting, the product releases are small iterations generally speaking and new hardware is built for planned replacement cycles, no more user upgrades to extend life. To me, Apple is no longer about the user, it no longer "just works" there are so many issues, sometimes minor, sometimes major and the excuse now is "oh, you should upgrade to the newest XXXXXX product, it will work much better" line. What's worse is these OS' are not longer rock solid and stable as they once were; putting reliability in the OS in question in my mind....and I haven't even touched the disaster that is iCloud and iTunes Match.


So I tried Android 4.1 with the Nexus 7 and was blown away by its polish, its ability to make it fit MY lifestyle, MY way and not forced to do it Googles way. Is it perfect, nope, but it feels fresh, it feels modern and 4.2 from all reports is even better. Then the devices, maybe they do not use premium materials like Apple, but they give the users a ton of technology in an acceptable package for a reasonable price, often with the ability for the user to expand its abilities, such as using sd cards for expanded memory.

I feel Apple has lost its way in many regards, it has lost its way with being revolutionary, it contradicts itself in product and market and while offering still a great ecosystem hasn't shown me the future.

So for that, while I still own 13 Apple devices, and may always own Apple devices, two new Android devices will be in my house this month; change is good, I like to embrace it.

Couldn't agree with more with you. I haven't owned that many Apple devices, as much as you did, but still...

When I look at my iPod, it makes me think of the time Apple was ahead of the competition.

If tomorrow came and my laptop died, I really would take a serious look at other machines than Apple's for my usage.

The cell phone is just one crazy world to which I left my iPhone about 2 years ago. I did look back, and hoped for more from Cupertino, but it just made me not worth the purchase to drop XXXX amount of money for what they were offering.

As for Samsung, I will not buy such a devise, which I feel will be completely left out in the cold about a year from now. The way the tech world behaves is just insane...

diegoesk
Nov 2, 2012, 07:58 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?

I made this move after having the 4 for 2 yrs and then getting the 5, which absolutely sucked in terms of new features. best move I ever made. Only thing apple beats it in is the battery efficency, apps and maybe imessage

also after using s3 for a week then trying to use the 4, feels weird becuase the thing is so small compared to s3.

sidenote- i purchased the mophie juicepack for my 4 last week, but mophie is letting me exchange it for the s3 version. Pretty cool if you ask me.

also- that youtube video- 50 reasons why s3 is better than iphone pretty much sealed the deal. if it wasnt for that vid, I wouldnt have even considered android.

cotak
Nov 2, 2012, 08:19 PM
3 of my good friends just recently switched from iPhones to S3's. Two of which had 4's and the other had a 4S.

The two that had 4's I'm not surprised. However my friend that had a 4S blows my mind. He has macs, mbp, 2 iPads and had every version of the iPhone. I won't be surprised if he switches back. However he was going on how he loved the S3.

All of which were long term iPhone users. It went from 100% of my friends having iPhones to me slowly becoming the minority. The people that I know won't switch could really care less about a smartphone.

This is Apple's biggest problem. The people who buys and rebuys are people who are willing to switch. They are able to switch. Those who don't tend to be a stick in the mud when it comes to technology.

I am one of those big mac users who went from iOS to Android. For pretty much all the reasons people have listed. You might not have ive's industrial design but you sure feel like you are using a "smart" phone.

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I made this move after having the 4 for 2 yrs and then getting the 5, which absolutely sucked in terms of new features. best move I ever made. Only thing apple beats it in is the battery efficency, apps and maybe imessage

also after using s3 for a week then trying to use the 4, feels weird becuase the thing is so small compared to s3.

sidenote- i purchased the mophie juicepack for my 4 last week, but mophie is letting me exchange it for the s3 version. Pretty cool if you ask me.

also- that youtube video- 50 reasons why s3 is better than iphone pretty much sealed the deal. if it wasnt for that vid, I wouldnt have even considered android.

Just use gchat. Works better then imessage and all your friends can use it instead of just those with a mac or idevice. Me and my wife have stopped using sms cause we can gchat on the desktop at work, and when we get off work we can grab our phones, run and carry on whatever conversation we were having on the phone, without missing a beat.

I also prefer whatsapp over imessage for mobile to mobile only communications.

cnev3
Nov 2, 2012, 09:28 PM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?

I used to see the iPhone as the phone that young, hip, and cool people owned, but when a device sales is millions and millions every quarter, it transcends specific demographics. Now I see everyone from 13 year olds, to old grannies using iPhones.

onthecouchagain
Nov 2, 2012, 09:50 PM
Whatsapp, Kik, Kakao, Google Voice... so many alternatives to iMessage.

Google Voice in particular is awesome. Free texting. Free many things.

cnguyen0320
Nov 2, 2012, 10:02 PM
For me, the iPhone 5 isn't that much different where as the iphone 4 was a major-ish change to the 3Gs. The iphone 5 looks like an iphone 4 unless you inspect carefully or it is sitting next to an iphone 4. The iphone 5 really doesn't do me much more than my iphone 4 so I either keep my iphone 4 or go with a different device. No point in wasting $200 for a little bit thats not even awesome.

MikeAK
Nov 2, 2012, 11:20 PM
There has definitely been a change in the last 2 years. I see way more Android phones out in the wild then i ever did before. Not the cheap freebies either. Higher end Android phones that we actually have to pay for so people are obviously choosing them over iPhone. Like many of the comments here I also prefer the freedom of Android. Going right down to the littlest of things I can completely customize my Android phone to my liking, my lifestyle, my taste. Android has now finally become a very stable and credible OS. The Apps are fantastic and there really isn't anything Apple has that Android doesn't.

F123D
Nov 3, 2012, 12:08 AM
iOS is stale and boring (tired of jailbreaking). iPhones look like they've been used in drop test prior to shipping out (scuffs, dents, scratches, etc..)

Apple seems to care more about lawsuits than the quality and innovation of their devices.

onthecouchagain
Nov 3, 2012, 01:36 AM
Because the list of advantages that iOS and the iPhone have over Android and its hardware is growing shorter and shorter. Frankly, it's coming down to a few things, some of which, I think, are rather desperate. We're talking about people pointing out milliseconds in response time being deal breakers, or blowing up the supposedly major disparity of number and quality of apps, or people obfuscating with the whole "fragmentation" bogeyman.

The one, and only one advantage that Apple has that is invincible is their customer service.

Other than that, much of the advantages that iOS used to have are now highly debatable, highly challenged, and in many cases, no longer even an advantage. At the same time, the list of disadvantages iOS has over its competition is fast growing.

And people are starting to catch on...

roxxette
Nov 3, 2012, 02:03 AM
There has definitely been a change in the last 2 years. I see way more Android phones out in the wild then i ever did before. Not the cheap freebies either. Higher end Android phones that we actually have to pay for so people are obviously choosing them over iPhone. Like many of the comments here I also prefer the freedom of Android. Going right down to the littlest of things I can completely customize my Android phone to my liking, my lifestyle, my taste. Android has now finally become a very stable and credible OS. The Apps are fantastic and there really isn't anything Apple has that Android doesn't.

These is true, i dont see much android devices here but the ones you see are the expensive so its not like they cant afford a iphone.

MH01
Nov 3, 2012, 05:40 AM
Those that go from iOS to android coke back once they see all the flaws and how crappy the Samsung hardware are

Both ios and android have flaws.

Crappy hardware??! Like? Sounds like the ip5 hardware might be more of a fashion accessory for you...

I have both. Love my iphone 5, bored with ios. Was shocked how much i liked the s3, even ended up buying it. At least now when i travel i get proper maps ;)

onthecouchagain
Nov 3, 2012, 10:58 AM
Sounds like the ip5 hardware might be more of a fashion accessory...


This is really what it's come down to.

When I had the iPhone 4S, it was a love and hate regarding the status symbol. I felt included but also a conformist.

raptorstv
Nov 3, 2012, 11:11 AM
Radical changes are needed with the iphone....
- a much larger screen (i.e. 4.7")
- live homescreen apps

nick_elt
Nov 3, 2012, 11:29 AM
Those that go from iOS to android coke back once they see all the flaws and how crappy the Samsung hardware are

You say that but after going from iphone since the 3g came out to now the note 2 just for some thing different I have just found out what I have been missing. Sure apple does some stuff better they both have pros and cons but for me the android pros outweigh the ios cons. 2 years ago I wouldn't even dream of switching but to be honest I feel only Android is going forward at the moment. Let's hope Apple picks up their game.

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One of the best things I've found since getting the note 2 is how long battery life is. Even tho I can swap my battery out I have no need to.

onthecouchagain
Nov 3, 2012, 11:34 AM
The Android manufacturers are figuring out their own roles. It's basically come down to:

Samsung: wants to give you a removable battery and SD expansion.
LG: Wants to offer premium uni-body builds.
Motorola: Wants to offer uni-body builds with amazing battery life.
HTC: Premium build.

It's probably a little more diverse than that, so feel free to amend what I have there.

The point is, Android offers choice. If plastic isn't for you, then I guess removable batteries aren't for you either. Go with HTC, LG, or Moto.

SomeDudeAsking
Nov 3, 2012, 12:20 PM
Android is much easier to use than ios for many common tasks. Apple's ios is convoluted to even copy pictures or files.

LIVEFRMNYC
Nov 3, 2012, 01:59 PM
Android is much easier to use than ios for many common tasks. Apple's ios is convoluted to even copy pictures or files.

I would word it different. iOS is extremely easy to use for the tasks Apple lets you do. For anything else, you will have to jailbreak and/or jump through hoops. When iOS first released, the average user was not smartphone savvy and didn't have a billion expectations. Now things have changed and Apple hasn't really done much about it because they really don't have to yet. That can't last forever though.

MikeAK
Nov 3, 2012, 05:19 PM
I would word it different. iOS is extremely easy to use for the tasks Apple lets you do. For anything else, you will have to jailbreak and/or jump through hoops. When iOS first released, the average user was not smartphone savvy and didn't have a billion expectations. Now things have changed and Apple hasn't really done much about it because they really don't have to yet. That can't last forever though.

A very excellent point and one that I think nails it. I think the habits, skills and expectations of the smartphone user have grown. Apple now feels like a "dumb down" phone in my opinion. My best pal is still using an iPhone and every time I play around with it I am bored with in minutes. There is absolutely nothing to it. Android can keep me busy for hrs with just simply tweaking and customizing. Different strokes for diff folks.

Markyboy81
Nov 3, 2012, 05:47 PM
I switched from a 4s to a galaxy s3 after my 4s developed a fault. With my replacement I had the option of selling it and getting the 5, or going for the galaxy s3 instead. The 5 didn't wow me and I also realised that I'd at least need the 32gb version and couldn't justify the extra cost. With the s3 I could relatively cheaply upgrade the memory.
I'm glad that I've made the switch after being a little dubious after a bad experience with Android 2 years ago.
I'm now struggling to sell my iphone 4S which I'm surprised about. Either it's because of the economic climate, or iphones just aren't as desirable anymore, but either way I can't shift it!

SpyderBite
Nov 3, 2012, 06:04 PM
People get bored with a static UI. And that's ok.

Those people are not the target market though. 2 million people will take your friends' place in the proverbial line to get the 5.

onthecouchagain
Nov 3, 2012, 06:04 PM
I would word it different. iOS is extremely easy to use for the tasks Apple lets you do. For anything else, you will have to jailbreak and/or jump through hoops. When iOS first released, the average user was not smartphone savvy and didn't have a billion expectations. Now things have changed and Apple hasn't really done much about it because they really don't have to yet. That can't last forever though.

I agree with most of what you said here regarding the average consumer, but even tasks that iOS allows are not always easy to do. For example, switching Safari to private browsing takes 6 steps. Turning on and off WiFi requires going into Settings and finding it, then switching it, then exiting Settings. Android allows me to toggle these settings with one hit from my home screen.

Likewise, certain apps' settings are in the iOS Settings page, while others are in the app itself. It can get confusing and I sometimes find myself having to navigate back and forth because I forgot which app has settings where. With Android, there's always a dedicated menu button.

Example:

Gmail settings:

http://i.imgur.com/P52yS.png


Facebook settings:

http://i.imgur.com/diIAU.png

albertc
Nov 3, 2012, 06:12 PM
redacted

LIVEFRMNYC
Nov 3, 2012, 07:02 PM
I agree with most of what you said here regarding the average consumer, but even tasks that iOS allows are not always easy to do. For example, switching Safari to private browsing takes 6 steps. Turning on and off WiFi requires going into Settings and finding it, then switching it, then exiting Settings. Android allows me to toggle these settings with one hit from my home screen.

Likewise, certain apps' settings are in the iOS Settings page, while others are in the app itself. It can get confusing and I sometimes find myself having to navigate back and forth because I forgot which app has settings where. With Android, there's always a dedicated menu button.

Example:

Gmail settings:

Image (http://i.imgur.com/P52yS.png)


Facebook settings:

Image (http://i.imgur.com/diIAU.png)


Yea, I agree with you on that and made the same point on another thread. It was mainly about scattered settings. Since the first time I used iOS, I never understood why some settings of an app are placed under the main iOS settings while the rest are placed within the app itself. I guess it was Apple's attempt to keep apps as clean as possible. Who knows?

Stuntman06
Nov 3, 2012, 08:12 PM
Android is much easier to use than ios for many common tasks. Apple's ios is convoluted to even copy pictures or files.

There are enough differences between iOS and Android to make users use to one OS have difficulty with the other.

Zwhaler
Nov 3, 2012, 10:24 PM
I'm planning on getting the Samsung Galaxy Note 2. I find the stylus enormously useful for situations I find myself in all the time (people on the phone and give me info I need to "write" down) and the speeds are blazing fast, no lag throughout the OS which I find amazing, its also the reason why that will be my first Android phone because I think its up to par with iOS speeds.

ReanimationN
Nov 4, 2012, 08:05 AM
Forget it

Irishman
Nov 4, 2012, 10:19 AM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?

Everyone's not.

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Maybe they are bored with Apple. That's my reason I didn't buy the iphone 5 and am planning on a Samsung to replace my iphone 4s. iOS is just too stale, I see Apple as unwilling to innovate anymore. I will never rule out going back to Apple, but for now they just aren't for me anymore.

What would Apple be doing if they were innovating, in your view?

And don't say wireless charging and holographic displays! LOL

spinedoc77
Nov 4, 2012, 10:49 AM
Everyone's not.

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What would Apple be doing if they were innovating, in your view?

And don't say wireless charging and holographic displays! LOL

Just simple stuff really. Multi tasking seems to be the big one, not suspend state in background, but true multitasking where I can have at least 2 programs open at the same time, and I can drag information from one to the other. I'd also like to see more input methods, stylus input is pretty awesome, pressure sensitivity in drawing programs, handwriting recognition, simple note taking at meetings, etc. Also work on the keyboard, have a hardware solution like Microsoft did, refine the keyboard input once again like Microsoft did with their smart keyboard input. Some kind of file system to organize media at the very least.

These are just a very very few things they can consider, but heck how long did it take them to implement copy and paste or their fake multi tasking? Sorry, but I've been terribly spoiled these past couple of days on a real OS using my Samsung Windows 8 tablet, honestly I don't care much about iOS anymore other than to hope that they will innovate in the market due to competition and in that case everyone wins.

Lampmeister
Nov 4, 2012, 10:57 AM
Most of my friends are thinking of upgrading their current 4 or 4S iPhones not to the iPhone 5... But either to Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note II. Is iPhone suddenly considered uncool now?
You must be hanging with the wrong crowd. ;)

Awakener
Nov 4, 2012, 11:39 AM
Apple started to lose me with Lion, iOS 6 and then nailed it with the quick upgrade of the iPad. Sure, they can upgrade whenever they want, I just felt slighted by it. The last few OS and iOS releases portrayed a trend which was reinforced in my mind that Apple is getting aggressive in its strategy to "force" users to upgrade expensive hardware at an ever accelrating pace by leaving out features and functionality that clearly could have been enabled on the older devices.

And then came the bugs, the half baked functions, the change of features and functions that were changed for no reason but to change them and even with that, they were executed poorly. (and please I do not need to type out examples, these forums are littered with them)

iOS and OSX no longer feels fresh or exciting, the product releases are small iterations generally speaking and new hardware is built for planned replacement cycles, no more user upgrades to extend life. To me, Apple is no longer about the user, it no longer "just works" there are so many issues, sometimes minor, sometimes major and the excuse now is "oh, you should upgrade to the newest XXXXXX product, it will work much better" line. What's worse is these OS' are not longer rock solid and stable as they once were; putting reliability in the OS in question in my mind....and I haven't even touched the disaster that is iCloud and iTunes Match.

So I tried Android 4.1 with the Nexus 7 and was blown away by its polish, its ability to make it fit MY lifestyle, MY way and not forced to do it Googles way. Is it perfect, nope, but it feels fresh, it feels modern and 4.2 from all reports is even better. Then the devices, maybe they do not use premium materials like Apple, but they give the users a ton of technology in an acceptable package for a reasonable price, often with the ability for the user to expand its abilities, such as using sd cards for expanded memory.

I feel Apple has lost its way in many regards, it has lost its way with being revolutionary, it contradicts itself in product and market and while offering still a great ecosystem hasn't shown me the future.

So for that, while I still own 13 Apple devices, and may always own Apple devices, two new Android devices will be in my house this month; change is good, I like to embrace it.


Apple should understand two things:

1. As a creator of high-end, closed, proprietary systems it needs to cater to its base. (That means maintaining trust).

2. Because it creates high-end, closed, proprietary systems it cannot compete directly with more open, cheaper systems. (This means it must be content with relatively small marketshare).

Shareholders expect continuous growth, but Apple cannot directly compete against its competitors without making lower quality products and becoming more open, thereby becoming its competitors. But by becoming its competitors it loses its soul and risks perishing.

ixodes
Nov 4, 2012, 11:56 PM
On topic, I enjoy both iOS & Android. My current preference is my Galaxy S III. One of the reasons I prefer it is the ease of typing Texts, Emails, and Forum Posts when away from my laptop. The large screen provides so much more room for the keyboard & free whitespace.

I also do lots of research on the web, work that is so much more easily accomplished with a large display.

Going forward, I'm eagerly awaiting my Nexus 4 that I will be taking delivery of next week. It's the first Android phone that's 100% wireless including charging. That's of great value to me.

Overall being self contained and wireless has been a strength of Android for some time, there's a lot of advantages in that.

Finally & perhaps best of all for a long time Apple enthusiast like me, is the promise of Androids competitive pressure on Apple motivating them to get back to work & get a leading edge smartphone in the works. That's what competition does.

shurcooL
Nov 5, 2012, 12:10 AM
It's interesting to note there are still people (like my mom) who think technology changes too fast, and find it hard to use.

It's even more crazy to think that people like that are probably the majority. While some of us get bored of tech and switch just for the sake of playing with something different, the average consumer is probably very happy with how stale iOS is.

phobox
Nov 5, 2012, 06:00 AM
As others have said and as I said recently in another post, the problem isn't with the iPhone itself, Apple still make great hardware. The problem is iOS. Its way too limited, too stale and leaves no room for expansion. And this is coming from someone who's been a devout Apple and iPhone user since day 1. Apple have got to work on that OS and bring it back into the headlights.

onthecouchagain
Nov 5, 2012, 08:58 AM
As others have said and as I said recently in another post, the problem isn't with the iPhone itself, Apple still make great hardware. The problem is iOS. Its way too limited, too stale and leaves no room for expansion. And this is coming from someone who's been a devout Apple and iPhone user since day 1. Apple have got to work on that OS and bring it back into the headlights.

Completely agree except for the screen size. Would love to see Apple go larger. I've always said, screen size isn't an iOS vs Android argument. iOS would be glorious on a larger screen. Of course, we know that won't happen because Apple is somewhat stuck in their resolution framework for fear of fragmentation.

Regarding iOS, though, 100% agree with you. Can you imagine if iOS opened up just a little bit, and offered a slightly more degree of control and faith in people to learn deeper features?

I'm looking forward to iOS 7 with cautious optimism. Early indications point that the "major overhaul" will primarily be aesthetics. :\

moargolems
Nov 6, 2012, 03:31 PM
Those that go from iOS to android coke back once they see all the flaws and how crappy the Samsung hardware are
Yeah! The company that manufactures Apple's mobile chipsets!

Oh wait

cynics
Nov 6, 2012, 03:47 PM
It's interesting to note there are still people (like my mom) who think technology changes too fast, and find it hard to use.

It's even more crazy to think that people like that are probably the majority. While some of us get bored of tech and switch just for the sake of playing with something different, the average consumer is probably very happy with how stale iOS is.

I agree with this but I think ICS was a massive leap forward. If anything I find it more intuitive compared to gingerbread while at the same time delivering more. I still think the multitasking bar in ICS+ is far superior to the icons on my iPhone.

I recently have had 3 close friend switch from iPhones to S3's and 2 of which are not technically inclined (at all). Regardless they love them and the way their phones are set up is pretty cool and perfectly tailored to their needs. The other one of my friends is very technically inclined and although he loves his S3 I wouldn't be surprised if he switches back since he's had every iPhone plus has an iMac, mbp, and iPad.

F123D
Nov 6, 2012, 03:56 PM
Yeah! The company that manufactures Apple's mobile chipsets!

Oh wait

And those screens on previous i devices were definitely crap as well.

REM314
Nov 6, 2012, 04:50 PM
I had a 3GS and got an S3. The only thing I miss about the apple ecosystem is easily syncing music with iTunes but once I found an alternative its much better. I was bored with iOS and tired of Apple. I honestly don't really like the way they're going with their laptop line either. You dont always need to make your products thinner and I dont like the idea of disposable laptops. Customization options are important to me.

Here are my main preferences to the S3 instead of the iPhone

-The S3s screen is a much nicer size for me
-expandable storage
-ability to replace/use extra batteries
-file system
-swiping away notifications and quickly turn on and off wifi and bluetooth + more from the notification center
-ability to customize things like keyboard and stock apps (music, mail etc)
-widgets are so nice and breaks up the boring iPhone grid which honestly looks outdated (more below)
-Great TouchWiz features like voice control for certain apps (saying stop or snooze to an alarm), bringing the phone to your ear to call someone, swiping your hand to take a screenshot, using tilt to move apps to different screens (so amazingly useful)
-LED Notifier
-Back button and menu button
-Google search right from the home screen
-better lock screen
-WIDGET THAT CAN EASILY TURN ON THE FLASH LIKE A FLASHLIGHT! This is so unbelievably useful.
-Shortcut widgets to contacts and certain settings (or to something like Soundhound which has a widget to immediately start listening to figure out what song is playing).
-Ability to see statistics like battery use and data usage and see a graph breakdown.
-Ability to kill applications easily.
-multitasking


Theres more but ill stop there. I love the Galaxy S3 and think Apple has a lot of catching up to do in terms of features. This is only ICS too so when I get the JB update there'll be even more advantages like Google Now. I'll still say though that if you dont understand technology or dont like playing with your phone the iPhone is better out of the box.

LA Harrison
Nov 6, 2012, 08:52 PM
I have had the Samsung Galaxy S3 since Sprint had it in the first week of July, then ended up dropping Sprint because of my moving and finding it difficult to get good reception and data. I tried out the S3 on AT&T for the 30 days, then ended up with Verizon with the S3 because I wanted the LTE. I like the phone, but after all this time, I am going back to my iPhone 4S. I will also be getting the iPhone 5 in 2 weeks.

I started using Android when they first came out, as well as using the iPhone. So I am no spring chicken with Android or iPhone.

I have had some problems with the S3. After using the Samsung for this long, my home button has times where I press it to go back home and nothing happens. Also the more apps I put in, the slower the phone gets. I have also had signal reception issues and 3g/LTE hand off problems. Am on my 3rd replacement with Verizon. Also, I would hold the phone in my palm, and my signal would drop quite a bit, enough to take me out of LTE and put me into 3g. The other devices that Verizon had me send back, were sent to Samsung, and they checked out and it was found that there was issues. The Samsung rep told me that there were phones out there with these issues, and were thinking about a fix for them in an update.

I just seem to be more comfortable still when I use the iPhone. I use to mess around all the time with the Android, but as I get more busier in life.. with work, my wife and children, I just find myself just texting, phone calls, surfing the web now and then for reading, and looking at the nature photo's. I never use NFC, SBeam, and many of the other functions on the S3. I thought they were cool, but just never really used them.

Is a great phone for those who love and use the many features of the phone, and who like to customize, or who want a big screen for games, photo's or who have trouble with seeing well. The iPhone and Samsung are great phones, and I see nothing wrong for anyone who chooses one or both of these devices!

Quite amazing to see the changes made since the beginning of smartphones! And I anticipate that this coming year will see some amazing changes too!

syxthelement
Nov 6, 2012, 09:25 PM
Just like everyone stated, I too am getting bored of iOS. It got really stale to me once iOS 6 was released. I put ICS on my HP Touchpad months ago and saw the potential with Android OS. I don't use the device too much now since I rely mostly on my current Iphone 4S and laptop for personal/mobile computing. I will most likely end up getting a Nexus 4 and throwing a prepaid T-mobile sim in there to get HSPA+ 42Mbps that T-mobile provides in my area.

thekev
Nov 6, 2012, 10:11 PM
Or the headphone ad with iPhone 5 that are designed for ears?!? Wtf have you been selling me since the OG iPod?!?!?

I know apple probably didn't create the round earplugs but they been pushing them for so long they might as well have. Then to tell me the new ones are designed for ears unlike the old ones?!

I found that silly too. They're marketing this as the right way to do it when they've been packaging horrible ones for years without even marginal improvements.


Going forward, I'm eagerly awaiting my Nexus 4 that I will be taking delivery of next week. It's the first Android phone that's 100% wireless including charging. That's of great value to me.


Have they done anything to improve the efficiency of wireless charging? It was pretty terrible.