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Nov 2, 2012, 10:23 AM
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Just hours after the iPad mini went on sale, car audio specialists are already installing it in the dashboards of cars. This example, first noticed by 9to5Mac (http://9to5mac.com/2012/11/02/ipad-mini-installed-into-dashboard-of-car-video/), was installed in a 2012 Toyota Corolla by Soundwaves of Tampa (http://www.soundwavesoftampa.com).

The install (https://www.facebook.com/soundwavesoftampa/photos_stream) uses the iPad mini to play Pandora and iHeartRadio through a previously installed audio system. However, because the iPad mini with LTE isn't yet available, the car most likely has a MiFi hotspot installed inside somewhere for a mobile data connection.

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Article Link: iPad Mini Already Installed in Car Dashboard (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/02/ipad-mini-already-installed-in-car-dashboard/)



GeekLawyer
Nov 2, 2012, 10:25 AM
Now that's cool.

Especially once the LTE version (with GPS) is released.

MonkeySee....
Nov 2, 2012, 10:27 AM
Very nice. Would need some sort of cover up though (i haven't watched the vid yet)

PhoenixMac
Nov 2, 2012, 10:29 AM
Thats where these 7" tablets shine, who needs an expensive $1000 stereo when you can get the same functionality out of a $200-600 device that you can take with you.

Glideslope
Nov 2, 2012, 10:30 AM
Here we go!!!!!!

Want300
Nov 2, 2012, 10:30 AM
Now that's cool.

Especially once the LTE version (with GPS) is released.

Yea, that would awesome... Especially since you can easily insert and remove the mini like they showed... so it still is a fully usable iPad mini...

Michaelgtrusa
Nov 2, 2012, 10:31 AM
That's cool.

osofast240sx
Nov 2, 2012, 10:33 AM
That's Hot!

deannnnn
Nov 2, 2012, 10:34 AM
Suddenly I have a huge need for an iPad mini.

Astroexe
Nov 2, 2012, 10:36 AM
Wow that's cool.

[Plus it beats the interface of all modern car systems, don't even get me started on the idea of using a scroll wheel to type an address instead of just having a touch screen in 2012]

Kentochan
Nov 2, 2012, 10:40 AM
What a great idea! Hopefully car manufacturers will develop apps that take advantage of the the iPad :D

jsw
Nov 2, 2012, 10:41 AM
As much as I've argued about the high cost of the iPad mini, were I to install a ~7" tablet in a car, I'd go with it, no doubt whatsoever. In that case, build quality trumps cost, and the (slightly) lower resolution would not remotely be noticeable, but the aspect ratio would be superior.

mankar4
Nov 2, 2012, 10:42 AM
Without retina and LTE the ipad mini is dated on day 1! But count me in when those are added.

Edit: I'm an idiot, the ipad mini does have LTE. I'm in after retina, I guess.

1080p
Nov 2, 2012, 10:43 AM
With LTE/GPS, this would be a monster!

Diode
Nov 2, 2012, 10:44 AM
Without retina and LTE the ipad mini is dated on day 1! But count me in when those are added.

The mini does have LTE. Just not the ones from launch day.

ghsNick
Nov 2, 2012, 10:46 AM
That's right by me! Awesome to hear!

gotluck
Nov 2, 2012, 10:46 AM
That's really cool.

I wish wifi iPad models had GPS. I can tether to my phone for data, but GPS is unreliable through tethering.

unlimitedx
Nov 2, 2012, 10:47 AM
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jayducharme
Nov 2, 2012, 10:49 AM
If people used dash-mounted devices with a little common sense, it wouldn't be a problem. But I worry that there will be people people fiddling with their iPads in their cars, running red lights or swerving into oncoming traffic.

cmChimera
Nov 2, 2012, 10:49 AM
His car is flashing: STEAL ME STEAL ME STEAL ME

It's removable. I really want to do this. I wonder how much the cost was.

unlimitedx
Nov 2, 2012, 10:52 AM
Yeah it's awesome! I always thought the car companies could ask apple to design their dashboard but this takes care of that

mankar4
Nov 2, 2012, 10:54 AM
The mini does have LTE. Just not the ones from launch day.

LOL I'm an idiot! Thanks.

Aluminum213
Nov 2, 2012, 10:56 AM
The mini is the perfect size for this

Jamie Clay
Nov 2, 2012, 10:57 AM
Nice - this should help to cull out the idiots doing Facebook on the freeway.

So in six months I'll need a new dashboard so the Turbo Digital iPad Mini can work with my car? :D

I'm sold!

Djlild7hina
Nov 2, 2012, 10:59 AM
One of the main reasons I want a mini :) navigation update discs are way too expensive

OldSchoolMacGuy
Nov 2, 2012, 11:00 AM
What a great idea! Hopefully car manufacturers will develop apps that take advantage of the the iPad :D

They won't. For years there has been a push to make a standard system in cars. The car manufacturers don't want to. They want their own system so they can try to sell to buyers based on the high points of their own system. So instead of having one system that works with all cars and accessories, we have crap systems like the Benz myCOMAND.

knemonic
Nov 2, 2012, 11:02 AM
It would have to be removable. In chicago, it would be to cold to leave it in.

But that would be smart regardless, cause who would want to risk leaving it in the car for someone to steal it. Also, you would want to upload new music and other things onto it for the road.

ugahairydawgs
Nov 2, 2012, 11:04 AM
Now that is bad-frickin-ass

george-brooks
Nov 2, 2012, 11:04 AM
Nice! Now if only there were an app so that it could interface with the car to control heat/AC, built in stereo, etc.

Dionte
Nov 2, 2012, 11:06 AM
Ok that's hot.

ryanide
Nov 2, 2012, 11:08 AM
Can you imagine the data usage running Pandora or iHeartRadio plus Maps on your daily commute? Guess the only way is if you are on Sprint with an unlimited Data plan.. otherwise you're going to fly through the GBs.

iThinkIt
Nov 2, 2012, 11:13 AM
i like it very much..

Hakone
Nov 2, 2012, 11:15 AM
Owner: "Siri, how awesome is my car?"

Siri: "it's a Corolla, what do you think?"

Owner: "i hate your face"

(I drive a Corolla too)

tod
Nov 2, 2012, 11:18 AM
Why, why, why would anybody want this?

I'm not talking about driver distraction. What I mean is, what on earth do you need to be doing on a dash-mounted iPad while you're in a car? Is getting to your destination not enough any more? Is having a conversation impossible? Have we reached the point where we need apps and gizmos and constant entertainment wherever we go, every second of every day?

whooleytoo
Nov 2, 2012, 11:19 AM
Could become an Apple slogan. "Don't buy a bigger car, buy a smaller iPad!".

mwolenski
Nov 2, 2012, 11:31 AM
I tried a dashboard ram mount with the original iPad. Problem was you couldn't see the screen through sunglasses because it was polarized. I wonder if that's the same case with mini.

Hidesuru
Nov 2, 2012, 11:33 AM
Thats where these 7" tablets shine, who needs an expensive $1000 stereo when you can get the same functionality out of a $200-600 device that you can take with you.

Whoah whoah whoah. Lets not get carried away. He clearly states in the video that they are using an Audison sound system in that vehicle, with two amplifiers. A quick look on Amazon shows me the -cheapest- Audison amp is ~$250, going all the way up to > $1000. That's JUST the amps as well. Add in additional hardware, an iPad, and not even counting installation (if you could do it yourself lets say), and you are probably over 2 grand for what's in that car.

I'm not saying its not cool, but there is NO WAY you would beat the quality of a "$1000 stereo" with an iPad for less money. The iPad is just putting out a stereo line level signal, the rest is all being done by the expensive audio hardware...

I'm not an audiophile, but I wouldn't be surprised if one could tell the difference in audio quality compared to a device more specifically geared towards putting out high fidelity sound than an iPad, which is intended for use with -at best- some dock speakers.

Personally, I wouldn't want a setup like this, because in order to use your car's stereo you would have to have the iPad in place, and as mentioned by others if you don't remove it when you leave the car it begs to be stolen. The end result is you now have to always carry the thing with you (or sometimes not use your stereo). Maybe that works for some people (cool!), but would not for me. I personally would find it a burden to have to keep track of one more device at all times.

All just my $0.02 of course.

Yr Blues
Nov 2, 2012, 11:38 AM
Whoah whoah whoah. Lets not get carried away. He clearly states in the video that they are using an Audison sound system in that vehicle, with two amplifiers. A quick look on Amazon shows me the -cheapest- Audison amp is ~$250, going all the way up to > $1000. That's JUST the amps as well. Add in additional hardware, an iPad, and not even counting installation (if you could do it yourself lets say), and you are probably over 2 grand for what's in that car.

I'm not saying its not cool, but there is NO WAY you would beat the quality of a "$1000 stereo" with an iPad for less money. The iPad is just putting out a stereo line level signal, the rest is all being done by the expensive audio hardware...

I'm not an audiophile, but I wouldn't be surprised if one could tell the difference in audio quality compared to a device more specifically geared towards putting out high fidelity sound than an iPad, which is intended for use with -at best- some dock speakers.

Personally, I wouldn't want a setup like this, because in order to use your car's stereo you would have to have the iPad in place, and as mentioned by others if you don't remove it when you leave the car it begs to be stolen. The end result is you now have to always carry the thing with you (or sometimes not use your stereo). Maybe that works for some people (cool!), but would not for me. I personally would find it a burden to have to keep track of one more device at all times.

All just my $0.02 of course.

or cover it up when you leave :rolleyes:

Eso
Nov 2, 2012, 11:38 AM
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everything-i
Nov 2, 2012, 11:41 AM
Nice idea, dedicated in car system with the kind of functionality of an iPad cost normally thousands and you can have this for £269 plus a few quid for the mounting system.

joueboy
Nov 2, 2012, 11:45 AM
Impressive! But the guy sounds like they work extra hard to make this thing working. I doubt that they work harder on it the day the iPad mini was released. They probably just bought the fake mini ahead of time to work on the holder then use the iPhone or iPad for testing. But I'm still impressed on how all these thing coming into realization that someday on my next car purchase that salesman will shut-up selling their outdated stuff. Recently I bought a van and told the old salesman I can actually buy 2 iPad for half the price, of their entertainment system with crappy screen monitors.

everything-i
Nov 2, 2012, 11:45 AM
Whoah whoah whoah. Lets not get carried away. He clearly states in the video that they are using an Audison sound system in that vehicle, with two amplifiers. A quick look on Amazon shows me the -cheapest- Audison amp is ~$250, going all the way up to > $1000. That's JUST the amps as well. Add in additional hardware, an iPad, and not even counting installation (if you could do it yourself lets say), and you are probably over 2 grand for what's in that car.

I'm not saying its not cool, but there is NO WAY you would beat the quality of a "$1000 stereo" with an iPad for less money. The iPad is just putting out a stereo line level signal, the rest is all being done by the expensive audio hardware...

I'm not an audiophile, but I wouldn't be surprised if one could tell the difference in audio quality compared to a device more specifically geared towards putting out high fidelity sound than an iPad, which is intended for use with -at best- some dock speakers.

Personally, I wouldn't want a setup like this, because in order to use your car's stereo you would have to have the iPad in place, and as mentioned by others if you don't remove it when you leave the car it begs to be stolen. The end result is you now have to always carry the thing with you (or sometimes not use your stereo). Maybe that works for some people (cool!), but would not for me. I personally would find it a burden to have to keep track of one more device at all times.

All just my $0.02 of course.

Significantly cheaper amps available though, its the iPad functionality that is a real bonus. True its not the most convenient but still potentially a fantastic system for the money.

DDustiNN
Nov 2, 2012, 11:49 AM
Because I've always wanted to use Facebook from my car's dash :rolleyes:

But really, when I saw the first pic, I thought "what a waste to install it like that... it would be much better to have it removable". And sure enough, when I watched the video, that's exactly what it was! Very awesome for navigation and music. Those are really the only two in-car uses for it, so I'm glad it's not a permament installation, heh.

Very nice job indeed. :D

drewc1138
Nov 2, 2012, 11:53 AM
It's actually a forward-slash, but whatever.

nStyle
Nov 2, 2012, 11:57 AM
Why, why, why would anybody want this?

I'm not talking about driver distraction. What I mean is, what on earth do you need to be doing on a dash-mounted iPad while you're in a car? Is getting to your destination not enough any more? Is having a conversation impossible? Have we reached the point where we need apps and gizmos and constant entertainment wherever we go, every second of every day?

Lol... I hope you're joking.

Just to name a few reasons: GPS, Contacts, Find your Friends, Movies... upon a million more. But if you just need one: the best infotainment system available - PLUS it syncs with all your other devices you already have.

It's not about being antisocial, its simply the best infotainment system you could buy.

extradryny
Nov 2, 2012, 12:15 PM
Now a Turbo Boost app, FTW!

weing
Nov 2, 2012, 12:16 PM
Ball Bat through passenger-side window in 3-2-1....

unlimitedx
Nov 2, 2012, 12:17 PM
Why, why, why would anybody want this?

I'm not talking about driver distraction. What I mean is, what on earth do you need to be doing on a dash-mounted iPad while you're in a car? Is getting to your destination not enough any more? Is having a conversation impossible? Have we reached the point where we need apps and gizmos and constant entertainment wherever we go, every second of every day?

it's better than all the clunky, not-as-slick car dashboards currently available. maps app alone is great!

bedifferent
Nov 2, 2012, 12:18 PM
He's gonna hate it when Apple releases the new iPad Mini next month.

mrrairai
Nov 2, 2012, 12:18 PM
not really anything new. People have been installing iPads in dashes for a few years now. Granted the Mini makes more sense but this is quite old!!

theodmic
Nov 2, 2012, 12:29 PM
This thing looks so sweet in a car...I had my initial doubts about the iPad mini, but it seems to have quite a few uses that a full sized iPad just doesn't have.

Can't wait to get this in my little Honda fit! Also, what bass nectar song is playing in this vid?

dontwalkhand
Nov 2, 2012, 12:29 PM
[Plus it beats the interface of all modern car systems, don't even get me started on the idea of using a scroll wheel to type an address instead of just having a touch screen in 2012]

I'm looking at you BMW

SirHaakon
Nov 2, 2012, 12:34 PM
Can you imagine the data usage running Pandora or iHeartRadio plus Maps on your daily commute? Guess the only way is if you are on Sprint with an unlimited Data plan.. otherwise you're going to fly through the GBs.
I already do just this with my iPhone; having the mini installed would just look way sexier. :) I go through about 5 gigs a month... I'm on the unlimited plan (AT&T) still, but I think the normal data plans allow for about that much. I don't stream video with it, just audio via the apps you mentioned.

bedifferent
Nov 2, 2012, 12:35 PM
I'm looking at you BMW

Mercedes too. Believe it or not, the only car I've owned in which I loved the nav system is my Infiniti. The current models are very well done. I hate the current gen E-Class Mercedes system, so cumbersome and the display looks like an Atari.

hortod1
Nov 2, 2012, 12:36 PM
Wonder how well voice activation for Siri works with the microphone covered up, for say, asking for driving directions.

PracticalMac
Nov 2, 2012, 12:47 PM
Finally the virtue of a smaller size is being displayed!!

PhoenixMac
Nov 2, 2012, 12:49 PM
Whoah whoah whoah. Lets not get carried away. He clearly states in the video that they are using an Audison sound system in that vehicle, with two amplifiers. A quick look on Amazon shows me the -cheapest- Audison amp is ~$250, going all the way up to > $1000. That's JUST the amps as well. Add in additional hardware, an iPad, and not even counting installation (if you could do it yourself lets say), and you are probably over 2 grand for what's in that car.

I'm not saying its not cool, but there is NO WAY you would beat the quality of a "$1000 stereo" with an iPad for less money. The iPad is just putting out a stereo line level signal, the rest is all being done by the expensive audio hardware...

I'm not an audiophile, but I wouldn't be surprised if one could tell the difference in audio quality compared to a device more specifically geared towards putting out high fidelity sound than an iPad, which is intended for use with -at best- some dock speakers.

Personally, I wouldn't want a setup like this, because in order to use your car's stereo you would have to have the iPad in place, and as mentioned by others if you don't remove it when you leave the car it begs to be stolen. The end result is you now have to always carry the thing with you (or sometimes not use your stereo). Maybe that works for some people (cool!), but would not for me. I personally would find it a burden to have to keep track of one more device at all times.

All just my $0.02 of course.

I do not need the top of the line stuff nor the audison stuff.

My current setup is a deck that has ipod controls through being connected through USB and I can control the volume and controls through the deck or steering wheel controls.

Instead I could push back the deck install a place to hold iPad temporarily and just rewire a volume control knob to a different place in the car.

I will post pictures of my current setup running through the stock stereo and for my ears it sounds great because thats what I care about, I am no audiophile.

ladeer
Nov 2, 2012, 12:58 PM
Wow that's cool.

[Plus it beats the interface of all modern car systems, don't even get me started on the idea of using a scroll wheel to type an address instead of just having a touch screen in 2012]

There is a reason car companies all over use scroll wheel than much cheaper touch screen. Do u think developing a scroll wheel UI and install it on the central column is cheaper than a touch screen technology? The reason they use scroll wheel is because its much safer and accurate. It ur car is moving, it's hard to reach your hand over to the screen and touch tiny buttons. Scroll wheel each click is accurate and u rest ur hand on the car. Although slower, u don't have to look at it constantly, also much more accurate entry when u can driving in a bumpy road.

Source: I own both kinds of car

dponte
Nov 2, 2012, 01:12 PM
Going to play the 'cons' game here...wondering what others think about this stuff:

- GPS seems far better with a satellite receiver, I would not trust 2G/3G/'4G'/LTE to be consistent, but I have never used the iPhone/iPad as a GPS...I used the iPhone 3GS for maps and traffic to compliment my car's GPS (which is not even built in, it's a Navman...getting a new lease, so maybe I'll get a built-in one then).

- Music...ok...but we can do this with a simple AUX line from the iPhone...or my new Samsung Galaxy Note 2...which provides a HUGE screen that I can actually see (ahem...iPhone5...I'm looking at YOU!) while driving.

- More of a distraction, up front? Most people who drive shouldnt be doing this...they are bad enough drivers as it is. Keep your foot over the brake whenever you even consider looking at this thing/any device. We need more HUD's in cars! :)

- Does one have to alter the car's functionality of it's info panel that was removed (if it's removed for this iPad mini, which seems the case for anyone wanting to do this)?? For instance, bluetooth? iPad is not a phone, obviously.
But, it looked like he just slid the iPad mini over the existing display and it plugs into a mounted charge/adapter on the left side. So, I don't know...

- Lots we don't see demoed here...or explained in full. The music was controlled by a remote via the amp installed in the car, which probably helps ease-of-use.

johncrab
Nov 2, 2012, 01:14 PM
Oooohhh! With the LTE model and an Apple Bluetooth keyboard I could pull into a parking lot and catch up on emails easily. A detachable mounting system would be so ideal for this.

Undecided
Nov 2, 2012, 01:17 PM
I dunno....looks cool but why not just have a mount for your iPhone 5 and use that?

dponte
Nov 2, 2012, 01:37 PM
I already do just this with my iPhone; having the mini installed would just look way sexier. :) I go through about 5 gigs a month... I'm on the unlimited plan (AT&T) still, but I think the normal data plans allow for about that much. I don't stream video with it, just audio via the apps you mentioned.

Another good point...that you made for my 'cons' :)

5GB a month? Now if you are using this all month long...on the road...using CELL data...what would your usage total be?

I have AT&T and am grandfathered into the 'unlimited' plan...which means they throttle my data anyway at 3GB. I do NOT use that much, as most of my data is via wifi. However, if one were to do this...well, then let's see someone use this method and what their cellular billing is after a month!

I use my iPhone 3GS to compliment my satellite GPS in the car (Navman, portable and now way out-of-date)...but, of course using the iPhone for google map traffic and music and etc. If I used Pandora or ConcertVault or some streaming media a lot OR the GPS on this iPad mini...then this does not help my data usage over cellular. Video streaming...yeah...good luck with that.

Going in and out as you drive, depending on where you are...this is another reason why I prefer satellite GPS.

Therefore, what else would one use it for...over cellular? LTE would only help to hasten your cell data limit, it seems...on the road, in such a scenario.

What does this do that your car (and newer cars) would not be able to do...or that my nice new Note2 (google voice/svoice) or even my old iPhone 3GS (ok, no Siri) could do just the same?

roadie.f
Nov 2, 2012, 01:40 PM
Good, now I can play Need for Speed while I drive.

ladeer
Nov 2, 2012, 01:58 PM
Lol... I hope you're joking.

Just to name a few reasons: GPS, Contacts, Find your Friends, Movies... upon a million more. But if you just need one: the best infotainment system available - PLUS it syncs with all your other devices you already have.

It's not about being antisocial, its simply the best infotainment system you could buy.

Really now? My 2012 5 series tells me my engine oil level, miles till next maintenance, brake pad, fluids, efficient dynamic setting which show brake energy regen status, ac level, mpg, trip computer, GPS that connected to my wheel so even works in tunnel or underground, it reads me text message, post twitter or Facebook, it can play everything on my iPhone, show 360 degree camera view around my car, park my car automatically, read me people Facebook status, set speed limit for my car, display sports mode setting, owner manual, schedule maintenance remotely, remotely unlock or start my car without key, call ambulance when crash, make emergency call without a cell phone, control lighting of my car, etc. really the iPad is the best system??

STiNG Operation
Nov 2, 2012, 02:05 PM
But it wouldn't be a stereo.....or hook up to amplifiers.....what's the point? Unless you had a bluetooth enabled stereo behind the mini.

But then again I wouldn't want sub woofers vibrating my ipad apart.....

kemo
Nov 2, 2012, 02:15 PM
damn, thats way cooler than iPad in some car holder! Looks like I'm gonna grab iPad mini with LTE once available!

rictus007
Nov 2, 2012, 02:26 PM
Wow, that's sweet....the down side is that my car is not that good for an iPad mini... LOL

Matt-M
Nov 2, 2012, 02:32 PM
His car is flashing: STEAL ME STEAL ME STEAL ME

I don't see too much of a theft issue. Once installed, and when it is off, it looks no different than the nav system in most modern cars.

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Wonder how well voice activation for Siri works with the microphone covered up, for say, asking for driving directions.

Bluetooth.

imariopereira
Nov 2, 2012, 02:52 PM
Super AWESOME! :D

sclawis300
Nov 2, 2012, 03:06 PM
it's still a corolla. don't get too excited buddy.

marty1990
Nov 2, 2012, 03:12 PM
http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/11/NewImage2.png

Walter White and an iPad. Wow.

dponte
Nov 2, 2012, 03:14 PM
Really now? My 2012 5 series tells me my engine oil level, miles till next maintenance, brake pad, fluids, efficient dynamic setting which show brake energy regen status, ac level, mpg, trip computer, GPS that connected to my wheel so even works in tunnel or underground, it reads me text message, post twitter or Facebook, it can play everything on my iPhone, show 360 degree camera view around my car, park my car automatically, read me people Facebook status, set speed limit for my car, display sports mode setting, owner manual, schedule maintenance remotely, remotely unlock or start my car without key, call ambulance when crash, make emergency call without a cell phone, control lighting of my car, etc. really the iPad is the best system??

Another good point for the 'cons' of doing this.

Are there any pros? I can't see anything that outweighs the cons here. Unless your car is not new and has really none of these features at all and you dont care about cell data usage on the road...but, in that case, save up for a new car instead! :)

macchiato2009
Nov 2, 2012, 03:16 PM
nosebleed :p

nStyle
Nov 2, 2012, 03:37 PM
Really now? My 2012 5 series tells me my engine oil level, miles till next maintenance, brake pad, fluids, efficient dynamic setting which show brake energy regen status, ac level, mpg, trip computer, GPS that connected to my wheel so even works in tunnel or underground, it reads me text message, post twitter or Facebook, it can play everything on my iPhone, show 360 degree camera view around my car, park my car automatically, read me people Facebook status, set speed limit for my car, display sports mode setting, owner manual, schedule maintenance remotely, remotely unlock or start my car without key, call ambulance when crash, make emergency call without a cell phone, control lighting of my car, etc. really the iPad is the best system??

You took what I said out of context. Obviously most people don't drive $40k cars. I was replying to the guy that said "Why would anyone do this?"

blueroom
Nov 2, 2012, 03:40 PM
Just what drivers really need; more distractions.

CH34P3T
Nov 2, 2012, 03:49 PM
You know, I wasn't really interested in an iPad Mini before seeing the video. But now I kinda want one just to put it in the car. Lol

jpmcnown
Nov 2, 2012, 03:51 PM
Really now? My 2012 5 series tells me my engine oil level, miles till next maintenance, brake pad, fluids, efficient dynamic setting which show brake energy regen status, ac level, mpg, trip computer, GPS that connected to my wheel so even works in tunnel or underground, it reads me text message, post twitter or Facebook, it can play everything on my iPhone, show 360 degree camera view around my car, park my car automatically, read me people Facebook status, set speed limit for my car, display sports mode setting, owner manual, schedule maintenance remotely, remotely unlock or start my car without key, call ambulance when crash, make emergency call without a cell phone, control lighting of my car, etc. really the iPad is the best system??

Sounds like a cluster **** of information in one location. No stock tickers? Granted, most of that crap(and more) can be done with a $100 Android tablet, and a $20 Bluetooth OBD2 scanner. You'll still have to park you car manually though, life's tough. The 360 degree google streetview option on the 5 series is something that sounds cool too.

Apple fanboy
Nov 2, 2012, 04:01 PM
I'd love one in my car but how much would it cost to fit? I think I'm not about to spend a quarter of what my car is worth to install it. However if car manufactures put there mind to it something like this would be doable. Also they could save money and just have changeable mounting plates for different tablets. Then they could just develop apps to work with your car.
Of course that's never going to happen as they would rather sell you a sat nav as a £700 option, when a Tom Tom is only £300 to buy.

BlindGoldfish
Nov 2, 2012, 04:20 PM
But why a Corolla...

joe-h2o
Nov 2, 2012, 04:52 PM
It would have to be removable. In chicago, it would be to cold to leave it in.

But that would be smart regardless, cause who would want to risk leaving it in the car for someone to steal it. Also, you would want to upload new music and other things onto it for the road.

Honestly, my car is in range of my home WiFi when it's parked on the drive - nothing stopping a wifi sync without ever having to remove it from the car!

My dash doesn't have anywhere to mount such a thing - I only have a standard height head unit space, and it's hooked up via a USB cord I modded into one of the storage bins, so the iPod touch just sits in there out of sight and cable-free and I can control it from my steering wheel etc.

This does look very cool though, but would require *serious* modification of my centre console.

This is what it looks like:

http://img.pistonheads.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/citroen/xsara-picasso-mpv-5-door/1-6-desire/citroen-xsara-picasso-mpv-5-door-1-6-desire-602577138-2.jpg

I could maybe take out the AC/heater/fan controls and fabricate a new panel for those, since they are all mostly electrical switches - they could go down where the current Head Unit is, then create a custom mount and frame for a Mini so that it could be removed if needed but also covered up with a slide-cover perhaps.

There's *tons* of room behind that console (I know, having dug around in there extensively with my previous modifications to put in the current iPod+stereo setup), so there would be plenty of opportunity to make it fit nicely.

Hmm, don't mind me - just planning!

cadillac1234
Nov 2, 2012, 04:55 PM
So instead of having one system that works with all cars and accessories, we have crap systems like the Benz myCOMAND.

The Benz system is actually fairly good. We just got a 2013 C class and they have made a lot of improvements over the 2010 system.

That being said, I would much rather have a dumb terminal and have it controlled by my phone. The mini-Ipad is actually a great idea as well but the manufacturers can't charge $2500 for a GPS and maps that way.

Hidesuru
Nov 2, 2012, 05:11 PM
I do not need the top of the line stuff nor the audison stuff.

My current setup is a deck that has ipod controls through being connected through USB and I can control the volume and controls through the deck or steering wheel controls.

Instead I could push back the deck install a place to hold iPad temporarily and just rewire a volume control knob to a different place in the car.

I will post pictures of my current setup running through the stock stereo and for my ears it sounds great because thats what I care about, I am no audiophile.

Having re-read both of your posts I may have misunderstood you initially. You said that you would get the same "functionality" of the expensive system, and I took that to include sound quality.

Reading -this- post I get the impression it may be more the features you were talking about, in which case I will concede the point. To get a high-end stereo that can do half what the iPad can do (aside from playing music) would cost a large quantity of money. Granted the stereo might sound better, but if that's not a requirement then the iPad is a better choice.

tod
Nov 2, 2012, 05:12 PM
The iPad will cost hundreds of dollars, and the installation will cost more. Unless you're so in love with your job that you'd do it for free, those dollars probably have to earned through some amount of suffering. My point is that nothing an iPad-in-dash offers is worth what you have to go through to get it.

GPS in your car: just look up the address before you leave the house, or learn how to get someplace instead of relying on the robotic voice

Contacts / friends in your car: don't you already have that on your fancy cell phone? Why do you suddenly need it on your dashboard?

Movies: you mean, watching movies in the car? A long trip of more than a few hours, I can understand. But how often do you drive a thousand miles? Not very often; maybe once a year. So why would you build in a device that plays a movie for your passenger once a year when you go on vacation? You wouldn't actually watch video on your daily commute, would you? Can't you handle being alone with yourself for ~30 minutes at a time, or do you need distraction all the time?

I can't believe that anyone would pay hundreds of dollars for these so-called conveniences, and heck, I'm an iOS developer. Even though I'm fairly young, I grew up without GPS or cell phones and I can remember how we got along just fine without them.

Lol... I hope you're joking.

Just to name a few reasons: GPS, Contacts, Find your Friends, Movies... upon a million more. But if you just need one: the best infotainment system available - PLUS it syncs with all your other devices you already have.

It's not about being antisocial, its simply the best infotainment system you could buy.

Hidesuru
Nov 2, 2012, 05:17 PM
Another good point...that you made for my 'cons' :)

5GB a month? Now if you are using this all month long...on the road...using CELL data...what would your usage total be?

I have AT&T and am grandfathered into the 'unlimited' plan...which means they throttle my data anyway at 3GB. I do NOT use that much, as most of my data is via wifi. However, if one were to do this...well, then let's see someone use this method and what their cellular billing is after a month!

I use my iPhone 3GS to compliment my satellite GPS in the car (Navman, portable and now way out-of-date)...but, of course using the iPhone for google map traffic and music and etc. If I used Pandora or ConcertVault or some streaming media a lot OR the GPS on this iPad mini...then this does not help my data usage over cellular. Video streaming...yeah...good luck with that.

Going in and out as you drive, depending on where you are...this is another reason why I prefer satellite GPS.

Therefore, what else would one use it for...over cellular? LTE would only help to hasten your cell data limit, it seems...on the road, in such a scenario.

What does this do that your car (and newer cars) would not be able to do...or that my nice new Note2 (google voice/svoice) or even my old iPhone 3GS (ok, no Siri) could do just the same?

dponte, I think you misunderstand how the location services in these devices work. In the cell model of iPad, there IS a GPS receiver (sat nav). Apparently the wifi only version leaves this out, but that version would not work for navigation at all without a 3rd party app that provides offline maps. With the cell version the only downside to losing cell coverage would be if you ran out of cached map files and you could no longer see the map, it would get nearly as reliable a location signal as a dedicated nav unit. Short outages of cell data would not be noticed by the user at all.

The only reason it might be slightly less is if it has a smaller antenna (likely), and the fact that it is mounted in the dash which would attenuate the GPS signal slightly.

ghettochris
Nov 2, 2012, 06:43 PM
Whoah whoah whoah. Lets not get carried away. He clearly states in the video that they are using an Audison sound system in that vehicle, with two amplifiers. A quick look on Amazon shows me the -cheapest- Audison amp is ~$250, going all the way up to > $1000. That's JUST the amps as well. Add in additional hardware, an iPad, and not even counting installation (if you could do it yourself lets say), and you are probably over 2 grand for what's in that car.

I'm not saying its not cool, but there is NO WAY you would beat the quality of a "$1000 stereo" with an iPad for less money. The iPad is just putting out a stereo line level signal, the rest is all being done by the expensive audio hardware...

I'm not an audiophile, but I wouldn't be surprised if one could tell the difference in audio quality compared to a device more specifically geared towards putting out high fidelity sound than an iPad, which is intended for use with -at best- some dock speakers.

Personally, I wouldn't want a setup like this, because in order to use your car's stereo you would have to have the iPad in place, and as mentioned by others if you don't remove it when you leave the car it begs to be stolen. The end result is you now have to always carry the thing with you (or sometimes not use your stereo). Maybe that works for some people (cool!), but would not for me. I personally would find it a burden to have to keep track of one more device at all times.

All just my $0.02 of course.

I took their video as saying they sent a digital signal straight to the amp skipping the stereo line out you are referring to. The degradation comes from the digital to analog conversion, and they skipped the iPhone part that does it by sending data oner Bluetooth, wifi, or through the dock for digital to analog conversion afterwards. I you ripped CDs lossless, or had a better quality than that and the iPad could play it, this setup may sound impressive.

KdParker
Nov 2, 2012, 06:44 PM
does this removable?

dontwalkhand
Nov 2, 2012, 07:11 PM
There is a reason car companies all over use scroll wheel than much cheaper touch screen. Do u think developing a scroll wheel UI and install it on the central column is cheaper than a touch screen technology? The reason they use scroll wheel is because its much safer and accurate. It ur car is moving, it's hard to reach your hand over to the screen and touch tiny buttons. Scroll wheel each click is accurate and u rest ur hand on the car. Although slower, u don't have to look at it constantly, also much more accurate entry when u can driving in a bumpy road.

Source: I own both kinds of car

How long would it take for you to type in this address with a scroll wheel? The one in the BMW is more annoying as it takes ages to scroll to each letter and number. Would you want the clickwheel on your iPhone, or would you rather be able to bang out text messages by just pressing on the letters?

How about giving us an option? We can use touch when we enter information (or use the wheel if we desire), but we can use the wheel for everything else.

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The iPad will cost hundreds of dollars

Getting a comparable system installed in your car from the factory will cost a couple grand. The iPad is cheaper, and also has a much better touchscreen than what any automobile manufacturer has to offer....or in the case of BMW, Mercedes, or even older Chrysler vehicles a piddle-paddle-wheel-of-annoyingness.

Though to be honest, I would rather go for a factory system, as it will always look and be more integrated than what you can mod, especially with steering wheel controls, dashboard and car information etc.

THIS IS a project I would love to take on inside an older car or truck however.

nsayer
Nov 2, 2012, 08:01 PM
It's nice, but all I want for my next car is for the stereo to support BT A2DP. I actually don't need or want it to do anything else. If it does that, and has either a USB charging port or a traditional "cigarette lighter" power port, I'll be happy.

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The degradation comes from the digital to analog conversion, and they skipped the iPhone part that does it by sending data oner Bluetooth, wifi, or through the dock for digital to analog conversion afterwards.

Well, of all of those options, watch out for the BT A2DP one. It's convenient, but the codecs are lossy. It's sort of silly to go out of your way to rip CDs to a lossless format if you're going to send them over BT A2DP.

norwegian wood
Nov 2, 2012, 08:32 PM
Now that's cool.
Especially once the LTE version (with GPS) is released.

If it doesn't have GPS how have I been driving around in my car using the navigon app?

PhoenixMac
Nov 2, 2012, 08:46 PM
Having re-read both of your posts I may have misunderstood you initially. You said that you would get the same "functionality" of the expensive system, and I took that to include sound quality.

Reading -this- post I get the impression it may be more the features you were talking about, in which case I will concede the point. To get a high-end stereo that can do half what the iPad can do (aside from playing music) would cost a large quantity of money. Granted the stereo might sound better, but if that's not a requirement then the iPad is a better choice.

Yeah I am currently rocking a Nexus 7 that has GPS until the LTE mini launches with a CD slot mount but would like it to look cleaner by hiding the wires and looking more OEM.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/03/7ybanasu.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/03/byperury.jpg

PhoenixMac
Nov 2, 2012, 08:48 PM
If it doesn't have GPS how have I been driving around in my car using the navigon app?

Wifi triangulation. Less accurate and proven to hiccup when there's no wifi around to ping off of.

godog
Nov 2, 2012, 09:08 PM
OK, now I want an iPad mini... and a car....:(

Dorje Sylas
Nov 2, 2012, 10:01 PM
WOOT! A new form entry on every police stations accident report!

Did the moron involved in the accident have an iPad Mini prominently mounted in the dash board?

Yes? No?

If Yes clearly they were distracted while driving and should at least get slapped by relevant laws for that in addition to any they are found guilty of in relation to the accident.

Seriously folks this **** is not smart. The texting, the phoning, the iPadding, its all got to stop when you get behind the wheel. Your job as a driver is to drive, to get from point A to B safely without endangering other people. If being entertained or checking tweets is so much more important hire a taxi or chauffeur, if you're really a tech geek get a Google robot car, or heaven forbid take public mass transit.

I really wish insurance companies could/would find a way to start charging increased rates to people who habitually text/email while driving.

ghostlyorb
Nov 2, 2012, 10:23 PM
Without retina and LTE the ipad mini is dated on day 1! But count me in when those are added.

Edit: I'm an idiot, the ipad mini does have LTE. I'm in after retina, I guess.

Why does a 7" tablet need 1080p resolution? I mean everything looks just fine on my iPad 2. And then on the mini everything would look even better than that! I will admit that the resolution on my iPad 3rd gen is great.. but the iPad mini doesn't need "retina" to be great.

thefourthpope
Nov 2, 2012, 10:53 PM
Very cool! I hope this can be my dashboard in the future

Rocketman
Nov 2, 2012, 11:40 PM
I told you so.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16183993&postcount=9

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16029752&postcount=84

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5231845&postcount=270

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15882560&postcount=49

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15312798&postcount=150

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15311674&postcount=121

Rocketman

OldSchoolMacGuy
Nov 3, 2012, 12:46 AM
The Benz system is actually fairly good. We just got a 2013 C class and they have made a lot of improvements over the 2010 system.

That being said, I would much rather have a dumb terminal and have it controlled by my phone. The mini-Ipad is actually a great idea as well but the manufacturers can't charge $2500 for a GPS and maps that way.

It would be great to have an iPad mount or even a smartphone/tablet mount in the car. Problem is as you said, then the manufacturer can't charge someone $2500 for the option plus another $190 a year for updated maps. Takes a big piece of revenue away from them and why would they want to do that?

Michael CM1
Nov 3, 2012, 12:52 AM
I have a Toyota Camry with a similar opening for the sound system. I use my iPhone 4S for all of my audio and GPS stuff. This would be a neat future venture for car manufacturers, especially if the car could send all sorts of diagnostic information to the tablet. Just create a similar docking solution and have different connectors and frames for iPad mini, Android and Windows tablets.

If some manufacturer wanted to just fully back Apple, an alternate home button could be on the steering wheel for Siri activation. That might allow people to do many more things using voice commands instead of reaching for a far-off button.

This would also be the most awesome GPS in the world with all that screen real estate to use. Too bad right now this is just a highly customized option.

HiRez
Nov 3, 2012, 01:14 AM
Would love for carmakers to offer a custom-fit sled for a Mini in the dash, that is really a perfect use for one, and if they also open up APIs for developers, you could do all kinds of fun stuff. Too bad they want to keep selling their own overpriced garbage, like $2,500 navigation with crappy touchscreens that can only be upgraded with new mapping data by the dealership.

inscrewtable
Nov 3, 2012, 01:19 AM
Wow that's fast. How long did it take for the first Nexus7 to be installed. <chortle>

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That's cool.

That's Hot!


I guess that makes it warm.

Dominicanyor
Nov 3, 2012, 02:23 AM
Wow speechless!!

chr1s60
Nov 3, 2012, 02:45 AM
Great, now you can play angry birds while you drive!

macs4nw
Nov 3, 2012, 03:41 AM
Yea, that would awesome... Especially since you can easily insert and remove the mini like they showed... so it still is a fully usable iPad mini...

Suddenly I have a huge need for an iPad mini.

With LTE/GPS, this would be a monster!

Totally awesome!! We'll have to resist taking our eyes of the road.....too tempting.

neil1980
Nov 3, 2012, 07:27 AM
Seriously folks this **** is not smart. The texting, the phoning, the iPadding, its all got to stop when you get behind the wheel.

I think you're not taking into account that this could be used responsibly.

Currently I use my iphone to stream music to my head unit and have tomtom running on the phone screen. The iPad mini would be pretty much perfect for that.

What would be interesting is if someone made some kind of double DIN adapter for the iPad so you could retro fit it easily as a DIY thing...if someone sold one of those then I'd seriously consider an iPad mini for in car where currently I'm not thinking of getting one at all.

Also as a side note how many people on here are asking if its removable or making comments on theft??? the first 10 seconds or so of the video show its removable!

Revelation78
Nov 3, 2012, 09:49 AM
Wifi triangulation. Less accurate and proven to hiccup when there's no wifi around to ping off of.

#FAIL!

SMH.....


You do realize that with the cellular version you DO in fact get GPS? It is assisted GPS where it will try to first get locaiton data from Cellular towers as it updates its GPS location.

It has nothing to do with Wifi....

iLLUMI
Nov 3, 2012, 09:51 AM
Owner: "Siri, how awesome is my car?"

Siri: "it's a Corolla, what do you think?"

Owner: "i hate your face"

(I drive a Corolla too)

LOL
That is so funny! :D :cool:


Edit:
Forgot to say, that looks so cool. iPad Mini in-dash style. Too cool for school man! :D
Well done!
Now that I've seen that I think I might have to get one for my car. It can replace my street directory. I can just leave it in my glove box and remotely add movies and music to it too. Sweeet.
Wasnt going to get the Mini but think I will now. heh hehhh. :D

HMI
Nov 3, 2012, 10:08 AM
Can you imagine the data usage running Pandora or iHeartRadio plus Maps on your daily commute? Guess the only way is if you are on Sprint with an unlimited Data plan.. otherwise you're going to fly through the GBs.

Maps really doesn't use too much data. It's not nearly as much data as one might expect. I've been really pleasantly surprised.

PhoenixMac
Nov 3, 2012, 10:35 AM
#FAIL!

SMH.....


You do realize that with the cellular version you DO in fact get GPS? It is assisted GPS where it will try to first get locaiton data from Cellular towers as it updates its GPS location.

It has nothing to do with Wifi....

If you had above a 5th grade reading comprehension you could see I was responding to someone who was asking how did their "GPS" work in their WIFI only iPad.

McGiord
Nov 3, 2012, 10:58 AM
I never considered buying an iPad mini.
This changes that.
For those concerned with theft: easy solution leave a picture of an old in attractive stereo as a wallpaper disguise.
Remember you have find my iStuff.
It totally makes sense to have direct audio from the iPad. There could be tons of aftermarket products to make this a very lucrative and successful business.
An iPad mini pioneer kit, would include the receiver amp, etc....
Car OEMs are struggling to incorporate this kind of features with their own systems and they are not there yet, they are getting closer and some have great integration with iOS, but still not fully exploiting it.
I would definitely consider getting a basic entertainment system or none at all an then doing aftermarket custom installation of an iPad mini with LTE GPS.

With or without an iPad moron drivers will always exist and there is nothing that you can do about them.

Voice over features would finally be improved with more car - smart tablets integration like this.

Why Apple has not invested more in the voice recognition area?

JS3
Nov 3, 2012, 11:00 AM
Bigger is better. Sound Man had put a full size one in a dash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSnIXfoSU6I

SuperCachetes
Nov 3, 2012, 11:03 AM
Lol... I hope you're joking.

Just to name a few reasons: GPS, Contacts, Find your Friends, Movies... upon a million more. But if you just need one: the best infotainment system available - PLUS it syncs with all your other devices you already have.

It's not about being antisocial, its simply the best infotainment system you could buy.

Movies? There is a huge widescreen HD movie playing in the windshield. Whoever's in the driver's seat should probably be watching that. :rolleyes:

dannys1
Nov 3, 2012, 11:31 AM
Whoah whoah whoah. Lets not get carried away. He clearly states in the video that they are using an Audison sound system in that vehicle, with two amplifiers. A quick look on Amazon shows me the -cheapest- Audison amp is ~$250, going all the way up to > $1000. That's JUST the amps as well. Add in additional hardware, an iPad, and not even counting installation (if you could do it yourself lets say), and you are probably over 2 grand for what's in that car.

I'm not saying its not cool, but there is NO WAY you would beat the quality of a "$1000 stereo" with an iPad for less money. The iPad is just putting out a stereo line level signal, the rest is all being done by the expensive audio hardware...

I'm not an audiophile, but I wouldn't be surprised if one could tell the difference in audio quality compared to a device more specifically geared towards putting out high fidelity sound than an iPad, which is intended for use with -at best- some dock speakers.

Personally, I wouldn't want a setup like this, because in order to use your car's stereo you would have to have the iPad in place, and as mentioned by others if you don't remove it when you leave the car it begs to be stolen. The end result is you now have to always carry the thing with you (or sometimes not use your stereo). Maybe that works for some people (cool!), but would not for me. I personally would find it a burden to have to keep track of one more device at all times.

All just my $0.02 of course.

Just to clear up a couple of untruths here. A standard head unit couldn't output this sound either, it is just a head unit, you still needs amps and speakers so its no more expensive than this. You're just replacing the head unit with an iPad instead.

Secondly if you listened he said they were taking the signal from the iPad digital, e.g. through the dock connector, which means nothing would sound any better, its all being decoded by the amp - the iPad is providing nothing but 1's and 0's to it so any car head unit wouldn't sound better - at best, the same if they also had a digital out. If they were using the headphone port on the iPad it would be a different mater, but they're not.

As for the security manner, you could say walking around with an iPhone 5 or an iPad mini in your hand is "begging for it to be stolen" so best not go anywhere with them. You could just slip it out and into the glovebox, or have an Audi TT style fold down cover just like a normal car setup - but I probably wouldn't bother…they'll look in and see a screen, thats all. Infact if I did the build id hide the home button and use multi-task gestures instead anyway build the surround to show a screen just like any other modern car has on display.

IGregory
Nov 3, 2012, 11:56 AM
Without retina and LTE the ipad mini is dated on day 1! But count me in when those are added.

Edit: I'm an idiot, the ipad mini does have LTE. I'm in after retina, I guess.

Well, if the lack of retina is a deal breaker for you, why not go with the new generation IPAD and install a do it yourself IPAD car mount: here (http://padholdr.com/ipad-mounts-for-cars-trucks/) and here (http://www.arkon.com/iPad_accessories/ipad-car-mount.html). It appears to be an easy install. This install allows you to remove the IPAD when you leave your vehicle.

nStyle
Nov 3, 2012, 01:03 PM
Movies? There is a huge widescreen HD movie playing in the windshield. Whoever's in the driver's seat should probably be watching that. :rolleyes:

People actually park their cars too. Funny thing.

One scenario: grab some McDonalds, sit in car and catch up on some South Park.

zombierunner
Nov 3, 2012, 01:39 PM
oh come on apple, make a car already.

thasan
Nov 3, 2012, 02:15 PM
oh come on apple, make a car already.

You never know... Our dear apple might have a patent on "rounded" wheels :p

DrMotownMac
Nov 3, 2012, 03:36 PM
I have a few thoughts. First, it looks really cool and I want one! Second, it probably would distract me from driving, but I almost don't care. Third, why don't the car manufacturers make dashboards like this which ALLOW for iOS devices to be slid or popped in and removed? It would cost them next to nothing and there are TONS of iOS owners out there. If a company (like Honda, for example) had some sort of partnership with Apple, don't you think a lot of US (Apple enthusiasts) would start buying Hondas (or whatever) preferentially, just for that reason? That's why I use AT&T for my cellular service! The iPhone originally only worked with AT&T, therefore, that became my cellular service. And now, with me resigning 2 year contracts with every new phone, I'm not going anywhere!!

raymanster
Nov 3, 2012, 03:51 PM
I have a Toyota Camry with a similar opening for the sound system. I use my iPhone 4S for all of my audio and GPS stuff. This would be a neat future venture for car manufacturers, especially if the car could send all sorts of diagnostic information to the tablet.

Diags from car to tablet is already possible using this:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ELM327-OBDII-OBD-2-V1-5a-CAN-BUS-Bluetooth-Scan-Tool-Interface-Android-Torque-UK-/300785303471?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item4608337faf

Then using an app called Torque to display the info. Only a matter of time before an app like this is out on iOS, or maybe one is already out?

alfistas
Nov 3, 2012, 04:16 PM
Let me get this straight.

These guys hired a market analyst to identify the automotive preferences of Apple customers and the analyst came up with Toyota?? :eek: Seriously???

Not Mercedes, BMW, Audi or Alfa Romeo... but Toyota????

VenusianSky
Nov 3, 2012, 05:54 PM
This stuff is neat, but anyone that I've ever known to do stuff like this says the novelty wears off after a short time. It's not like people can use an iPad while they are driving...or can they? :eek:

saud0488
Nov 3, 2012, 08:37 PM
Thats where these 7" tablets shine, who needs an expensive $1000 stereo when you can get the same functionality out of a $200-600 device that you can take with you.

Umm...you don't get the same functionality from an iPad than you would from a 1000 dollar stereo. Data costs would kill it. Not to mention the horrible Apple Maps, which happens to be made by Tom Tom. Anyone who's used Tom Tom GPS is not surprised with how horrible it is.

To some this might look "cool" but seems like a terrible idea

McGiord
Nov 3, 2012, 09:01 PM
This stuff is neat, but anyone that I've ever known to do stuff like this says the novelty wears off after a short time. It's not like people can use an iPad while they are driving...or can they? :eek:
It's like using your entertainment system in a Chrysler Town & Country, touchscreen to get to the HDD and play mp3, get a dvd running for the kids, browse radio stations, etc
Having Siri improved and voice controls will make this even more easy to adopt.
Why not?
No one ever watched pimp my ride or overhauling ?

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Umm...you don't get the same functionality from an iPad than you would from a 1000 dollar stereo. Data costs would kill it. Not to mention the horrible Apple Maps, which happens to be made by Tom Tom. Anyone who's used Tom Tom GPS is not surprised with how horrible it is.

To some this might look "cool" but seems like a terrible idea

TomTom works fine in Europe, I have had no issues in the US even with an old map.

Now Apple's app is something else.

Anyway you can always buy another navigation app.

ChristianJapan
Nov 3, 2012, 09:04 PM
not sure if someone already mentioned: but thats pretty cool ... :)

(yeah; I'm late; just woke up)

troy14
Nov 3, 2012, 09:32 PM
Thats where these 7" tablets shine, who needs an expensive $1000 stereo when you can get the same functionality out of a $200-600 device that you can take with you.

I'm very curious as to what the price of the custom work was. It has to be at least $500, probably a lot more. (Unless they already had the Toyota Camry dash kit made for sale, maybe just resizing it for the Mini)

VenusianSky
Nov 4, 2012, 08:16 AM
It's like using your entertainment system in a Chrysler Town & Country, touchscreen to get to the HDD and play mp3, get a dvd running for the kids, browse radio stations, etc
Having Siri improved and voice controls will make this even more easy to adopt.
Why not?
No one ever watched pimp my ride or overhauling ?

Like I said, that stuff is neat, but I would have to say that an iPad is a bit much for something to control your music and movies. My car has controls on the steering wheel for the built in system, which is the most convenient. The iPhone has voice control or Siri as well, plus it is a hands free phone. An iPhone just seems more practical to have in the driving console.

Installing an iPad in the rear seating to play movies for those with children would be practical.

mgipe
Nov 4, 2012, 11:37 AM
One of the main reasons I want a mini :) navigation update discs are way too expensive

How right you are! Toyota offered to sell me an update disk for the factory GPS for the same price as a new iPad Mini. :eek:

...or I could buy three Garmin portables with lifetime maps for the same price.

iMacprobook
Nov 4, 2012, 11:56 AM
Wakey Wakey car manufacturers..

charlituna
Nov 4, 2012, 02:17 PM
Yea, that would awesome... Especially since you can easily insert and remove the mini like they showed... so it still is a fully usable iPad mini...

Vital requirement. If you left the Mini in the car, someone would jack it.

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If people used dash-mounted devices with a little common sense, it wouldn't be a problem. But I worry that there will be people people fiddling with their iPads in their cars, running red lights or swerving into oncoming traffic.

That is why I wouldn't do something like this unless the car had Siri activation in the steering wheel.

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Why, why, why would anybody want this?

I'm not talking about driver distraction. What I mean is, what on earth do you need to be doing on a dash-mounted iPad while you're in a car?

Turn by turn nav, videos to entertain the kid etc.

There could be a number of uses. Hell the car companies might even embrace with with app controlled environmental systems that respond to Siri. No reaching off the steering wheel to adjust the AC etc. you just hit the Siri button on the wheel and say what you want

Dagless
Nov 4, 2012, 05:05 PM
Thats where these 7" tablets shine, who needs an expensive $1000 stereo when you can get the same functionality out of a $200-600 device that you can take with you.

There are $1000 car stereos?
I've seen plenty of expensive cars in my time, never one with a stereo at that price!

ratsg
Nov 4, 2012, 05:14 PM
I know Apple is getting something from Tomtom, but it isn't the whole ball of wax. My wife has the Tomtom app on her iPad 2, and it rocks. OTOH, we have significantly less impressed with the new Apple Maps, either on her iPad or her iPhone.


Umm...you don't get the same functionality from an iPad than you would from a 1000 dollar stereo. Data costs would kill it. Not to mention the horrible Apple Maps, which happens to be made by Tom Tom. Anyone who's used Tom Tom GPS is not surprised with how horrible it is.

To some this might look "cool" but seems like a terrible idea

ratsg
Nov 4, 2012, 05:19 PM
Who knows what the story is, and the details are on the controller from the video?

Please see attached image. This was a screen capture from the video.

charlituna
Nov 4, 2012, 06:04 PM
If Yes clearly they were distracted while driving and should at least get slapped by relevant laws for that in addition to any they are found guilty of in relation to the accident.


That is a wild assumption to make. If you are doing to say that then anyone with a cell phone in their car, even in their purse should be ticketed for being potentially distracted. Same with a radio or even a kid in the car.

Just because someone has an ipad or whatever mounted in their car doesn't equal they are morons that would be using it while driving. Particularly actually tapping on the screen, playing a game etc.

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Movies? There is a huge widescreen HD movie playing in the windshield. Whoever's in the driver's seat should probably be watching that. :rolleyes:

Who said the movies are for the driver. Sometimes there are other folks in the car.

And as someone that drives around a 5 year old, they can be just as distracting as any text message etc. Shutting them up with a little Beauty and the Beast or Mulan can actually prove better than having to tell them 20 times in two minutes that Auntie is trying to pay attention to the other cars so now is not a time for talking and asking 100 lame questions.

But I'm also not going to hand her my iPad where she can blast the audio, drop it etc. I want it with me where it can be safe.

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This stuff is neat, but anyone that I've ever known to do stuff like this says the novelty wears off after a short time. It's not like people can use an iPad while they are driving...or can they? :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdAkKKxOvu4

i hope it was meant as a joke but I know someone will take it seriously and do it

faroZ06
Nov 4, 2012, 06:09 PM
Thats where these 7" tablets shine, who needs an expensive $1000 stereo when you can get the same functionality out of a $200-600 device that you can take with you.

Yeah, except that you need to find a way to hook it up to the speakers. All carmakers should just put iPads there instead of the proprietary systems they put in that are highly limited and very expensive.

The Tesla Model S features a big 17" computer on the inside. However, you have to pay for its 3G service (and for it). Why not just have an iPad dock that connects to the car speakers and lets you use your own 4G plan?

Oh, also, if Apple made it so the iPad could be an Airplay host, iPhones and such would be able to wirelessly play to the car audio system with full quality!

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There are $1000 car stereos?
I've seen plenty of expensive cars in my time, never one with a stereo at that price!

Car entertainment system options can cost a lot, even more than $1000 sometimes. The ability to watch movies and use a navigator is usually a very expensive option.

faroZ06
Nov 4, 2012, 06:25 PM
Why, why, why would anybody want this?

I'm not talking about driver distraction. What I mean is, what on earth do you need to be doing on a dash-mounted iPad while you're in a car? Is getting to your destination not enough any more? Is having a conversation impossible? Have we reached the point where we need apps and gizmos and constant entertainment wherever we go, every second of every day?

You'd get navigation, all of your music, your contacts and such, even a phone if they add it to the iPad, and a nice touch screen interface for way less money than a built-in system. AND it would also be a regular iPad. You don't need to use it for anything outside of what car systems do right now.

ratsg
Nov 4, 2012, 06:34 PM
+1

I am planning to do this. Legitimate (vehicle) uses would be limited to:

* music
* GPS/navigation
* possibly bluetooth/wireless headset phone use after jailbreaking.

I think you pretty much nailed it faroZ06.

You'd get navigation, all of your music, your contacts and such, even a phone if they add it to the iPad, and a nice touch screen interface for way less money than a built-in system. AND it would also be a regular iPad. You don't need to use it for anything outside of what car systems do right now.

faroZ06
Nov 4, 2012, 06:47 PM
His car is flashing: STEAL ME STEAL ME STEAL ME

1. You can take the iPad out.
2. Find my iPad.
3. Don't they have security locks for these things? Anyway, if Apple was going to make a deal with carmakers and put iPads in cars, they'd make it very difficult to steal an iPad.

deftdrummer
Nov 4, 2012, 08:03 PM
I tried a dashboard ram mount with the original iPad. Problem was you couldn't see the screen through sunglasses because it was polarized. I wonder if that's the same case with mini.

That my friend, is a very VERY good question. In fact this thread should go no farther until that is answered. I will not drive anywhere in San Diego without my polarized sunglasses.

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I never considered buying an iPad mini.
This changes that.
For those concerned with theft: easy solution leave a picture of an old in attractive stereo as a wallpaper disguise.
Remember you have find my iStuff.
It totally makes sense to have direct audio from the iPad. There could be tons of aftermarket products to make this a very lucrative and successful business.
An iPad mini pioneer kit, would include the receiver amp, etc....
Car OEMs are struggling to incorporate this kind of features with their own systems and they are not there yet, they are getting closer and some have great integration with iOS, but still not fully exploiting it.
I would definitely consider getting a basic entertainment system or none at all an then doing aftermarket custom installation of an iPad mini with LTE GPS.

With or without an iPad moron drivers will always exist and there is nothing that you can do about them.

Voice over features would finally be improved with more car - smart tablets integration like this.

Why Apple has not invested more in the voice recognition area?

GUYS GUYS! about the theft. Is anyone not realizing that the ipad would not be powered on when you are away from the car? JESUS get a clue. And an insurance policy that actually covers shiz.

ahillworks
Nov 4, 2012, 10:01 PM
Who knows what the story is, and the details are on the controller from the video?

Please see attached image. This was a screen capture from the video.

Aftermarket component to control radio functions. They removed the radio so some thing has to control volume and be able to control the audio from the iPad. That unit does that. I'm Sure there are other methods as well.
Another worry I would have is most car manufactures require the radio for troubleshooting. Lets just hope this guys check engine light don't come on he maybe in a jam if he needs the car serviced. Plus it could void the warranty.

But direct answer to your question your going to need this: http://audison.eu/index.php?page=productLine&id=5

x-evil-x
Nov 4, 2012, 10:37 PM
It's removable. I really want to do this. I wonder how much the cost was.

ive done it with a ipad 2 and 3. cost about 35 bucks if you do it the way i did it.

x-evil-x
Nov 4, 2012, 10:47 PM
Why, why, why would anybody want this?

I'm not talking about driver distraction. What I mean is, what on earth do you need to be doing on a dash-mounted iPad while you're in a car? Is getting to your destination not enough any more? Is having a conversation impossible? Have we reached the point where we need apps and gizmos and constant entertainment wherever we go, every second of every day?

its been this way for well over 10 years... this is nothing new. there is in dash screens ive had in my cars since 2002.

x-evil-x
Nov 4, 2012, 10:54 PM
Whoah whoah whoah. Lets not get carried away. He clearly states in the video that they are using an Audison sound system in that vehicle, with two amplifiers. A quick look on Amazon shows me the -cheapest- Audison amp is ~$250, going all the way up to > $1000. That's JUST the amps as well. Add in additional hardware, an iPad, and not even counting installation (if you could do it yourself lets say), and you are probably over 2 grand for what's in that car.

I'm not saying its not cool, but there is NO WAY you would beat the quality of a "$1000 stereo" with an iPad for less money. The iPad is just putting out a stereo line level signal, the rest is all being done by the expensive audio hardware...

I'm not an audiophile, but I wouldn't be surprised if one could tell the difference in audio quality compared to a device more specifically geared towards putting out high fidelity sound than an iPad, which is intended for use with -at best- some dock speakers.

Personally, I wouldn't want a setup like this, because in order to use your car's stereo you would have to have the iPad in place, and as mentioned by others if you don't remove it when you leave the car it begs to be stolen. The end result is you now have to always carry the thing with you (or sometimes not use your stereo). Maybe that works for some people (cool!), but would not for me. I personally would find it a burden to have to keep track of one more device at all times.

All just my $0.02 of course.

this is why you instal this. when you dont feel like using it you have a standard deck behind it.

chris7777
Nov 5, 2012, 01:33 AM
There are $1000 car stereos?
I've seen plenty of expensive cars in my time, never one with a stereo at that price!
Haven't priced things myself in a while, but you can spend any amount you want to on car audio.

shoot most factory head units are easily half that (inflated I know but many are custom units, honda comes to mind for example)

SirHaakon
Nov 5, 2012, 02:28 AM
Another good point...that you made for my 'cons' :)

5GB a month? Now if you are using this all month long...on the road...using CELL data...what would your usage total be?
Not sure what part of my post you missed. I already do this - using CELL data (do you think I have constant wifi speeding down the freeway? lol) - on my iPhone. I wouldn't be using any additional data with an iPad.

725032
Nov 5, 2012, 02:29 AM
Nice ipad mini... Horrible car!

Jibbajabba
Nov 5, 2012, 04:50 AM
Haven't priced things myself in a while, but you can spend any amount you want to on car audio.

shoot most factory head units are easily half that (inflated I know but many are custom units, honda comes to mind for example)

Indeed - a mate works for a shop who modify cars - they build a sound system into a Lambo and the guys wanted to have all bells and whistles with nothing shown on the outside - cost : £45k / $72k ... labour cost is always a big part in projects like that ...

ozziegn
Nov 5, 2012, 05:40 AM
that looks cool and all but..... why the heck would someone spend that kind of $$$ on custom install work on a Corolla?

put it in something cool like a Corvette or a new Camaro. but a plain Jane Corolla? :confused:

Archer1440
Nov 5, 2012, 08:15 AM
If people used dash-mounted devices with a little common sense, it wouldn't be a problem. But I worry that there will be people people fiddling with their iPads in their cars, running red lights or swerving into oncoming traffic.

Doesn't seem to be a problem in places like Japan where large dash displays have been commonplace for years. One difference might be their higher licensing standards and more draconian laws (zero alcohol tolerance, much stricter phone use rules). We could use that here in the USA.

cmChimera
Nov 5, 2012, 08:27 AM
ive done it with a ipad 2 and 3. cost about 35 bucks if you do it the way i did it.

What way was that?



Edit: Oops, you've posted it.


Edit 2: So you just mounted in front of your stock system?

gotluck
Nov 5, 2012, 08:31 AM
this is why you instal this. when you dont feel like using it you have a standard deck behind it.

Hey, that's Google maps! :D

You have a link to the bracket/holder you used?

vinpages
Nov 5, 2012, 08:39 AM
Cool, so now I can play angry birds while driving!

tod
Nov 5, 2012, 08:55 AM
All this talk of built in navigation and video screens in cars frankly sounds like rich people's toys from the future. Seriously, a car has always just been transportation to me, not an entertainment center.

Once again:

Navigation: I've never owned a GPS and I continue to get along very well without one. GPS in your car is not a necessity.

Contacts: You already have this on your phone.

Music: I don't listen to music in my car. My radio broke back in 2004. Since I never used it, I never bothered to replace it. I have no audio input options. So I think about stuff when I'm driving. I'm never bored.

Don't put an iPad in your car. Don't go to the trouble, don't spend the money.

You'd get navigation, all of your music, your contacts and such, even a phone if they add it to the iPad, and a nice touch screen interface for way less money than a built-in system. AND it would also be a regular iPad. You don't need to use it for anything outside of what car systems do right now.

frabber
Nov 5, 2012, 09:29 AM
Cool, but one needs a car optimized interface.
Sort of like xbmc for controlling media centres , we need something similar for controlling music and navigation software whilst driving.

Less cluttered screens , big icons, large text sizes etc., whilst in drive mode.
Not sure if that is possible with IOS.

Westside guy
Nov 5, 2012, 09:49 AM
People who like to think Apple products make them cooler and more attractive need to tape the picture of this guy on the inside of their iPad's Smart Cover.

dponte
Nov 5, 2012, 11:26 AM
dponte, I think you misunderstand how the location services in these devices work. In the cell model of iPad, there IS a GPS receiver (sat nav). Apparently the wifi only version leaves this out, but that version would not work for navigation at all without a 3rd party app that provides offline maps. With the cell version the only downside to losing cell coverage would be if you ran out of cached map files and you could no longer see the map, it would get nearly as reliable a location signal as a dedicated nav unit. Short outages of cell data would not be noticed by the user at all.

The only reason it might be slightly less is if it has a smaller antenna (likely), and the fact that it is mounted in the dash which would attenuate the GPS signal slightly.

OK, thanks for the clarification on that. The 3G/cell versions of the iPads seem to include GPS (as well as the Russian version, GLONASS).

I have used an iPhone 3GS in my car for years, as a supplement for my satellite GPS. I used google maps while I was on the road...and of course, sometimes the iPhone radio receiver loses where I am for a time in low 3G strength or 2G areas, or takes a LONG time trying to render the screen, and traffic details, etc...perhaps the location is still OK (?). Of course, this is based on an old iPhone.

I'll concede the GPS...if it works well enough. I don't know, the satellite Navman/in-car seems more reliable overall. The rest of my points stand though. Thanks for the clarification though.

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All this talk of built in navigation and video screens in cars frankly sounds like rich people's toys from the future. Seriously, a car has always just been transportation to me, not an entertainment center.

Once again:

Navigation: I've never owned a GPS and I continue to get along very well without one. GPS in your car is not a necessity.

Contacts: You already have this on your phone.

Music: I don't listen to music in my car. My radio broke back in 2004. Since I never used it, I never bothered to replace it. I have no audio input options. So I think about stuff when I'm driving. I'm never bored.

Don't put an iPad in your car. Don't go to the trouble, don't spend the money.

I too somewhat agree to the general point...I do NOT see the overall value in doing this, since most new cars are equipped with similar if not all the best bells and whistles you'd ever use anyone with an iPad.

But, your rationale is bunk...people use GPS, listen to music...and that's that. Those are big deals these days. Music has always been a big deal. If I was a teenager, I'd be looking to do this to my crappy old car, just to make it cooler and to perhaps utilize bells and whistles that a crappy car would not have.

That being said...most cars these days (even cheap ones) include all of this and will in the near future. So, again, I don't see the point of it when you weigh it all together. But, again, you're rationales are trite and are for you and a small percentage of people in 2012. No music? really? :)

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Not sure what part of my post you missed. I already do this - using CELL data (do you think I have constant wifi speeding down the freeway? lol) - on my iPhone. I wouldn't be using any additional data with an iPad.

I didnt miss a thing. You are using 5GB a month...you pay for it, unless 'unlimited', then you are throttled at 3GB for most carriers. I guess T-Mobile or Sprint or someone doesnt apparently do this, so it will depend who you have, i'll concede that.

No, of course you don't have wifi on the highway...when did I allude to that? And, yes, of course an iPad doesn't mean you are using more data...where did I allude to that?

I've used an iPhone on the road, like I stated...if I used Pandora OFTEN or ConcertVault or some streaming video (with an iPad, since the iPhone is way too damn small for that...while driving...which is another reason why I am replacing it with a Note 2), THEN you'd be racking up the data usage on cell.

ratsg
Nov 5, 2012, 11:39 AM
It sounds like you don't ever go any place new or unknown.

And it sounds like the trips you make aren't long enough that you would want to enjoy music.

And that is fine.

But for many of us, this is going to be an awesome (temporary) installation. The iPad mini will be removed when I am not in the vehicle.

Hence the popularity of this thread. The article author could have chosen a better test vehicle than a toileta cr4pola, but none-the-less, many of us will be installing similar mounts for our mini's.


All this talk of built in navigation and video screens in cars frankly sounds like rich people's toys from the future. Seriously, a car has always just been transportation to me, not an entertainment center.

Once again:

Navigation: I've never owned a GPS and I continue to get along very well without one. GPS in your car is not a necessity.

Contacts: You already have this on your phone.

Music: I don't listen to music in my car. My radio broke back in 2004. Since I never used it, I never bothered to replace it. I have no audio input options. So I think about stuff when I'm driving. I'm never bored.

Don't put an iPad in your car. Don't go to the trouble, don't spend the money.

EddieCurrent
Nov 5, 2012, 12:05 PM
Why, why, why would anybody want this?

I'm not talking about driver distraction. What I mean is, what on earth do you need to be doing on a dash-mounted iPad while you're in a car? Is getting to your destination not enough any more? Is having a conversation impossible? Have we reached the point where we need apps and gizmos and constant entertainment wherever we go, every second of every day?

Any number of GPS and map apps, music, radio, podcasts, not to mention the third party apps that would be developed we haven't even thought of.

This is safer than using maps or GPS on your phone because the larger screen and placement. Also then you can put your phone away so you are less inclined to text, surf or otherwise.

And as far as the rest of your rant...many people spend in excess of 2hrs a day in their cars, just on a work commute. Are they supposed to sit there staring at the traffic in front of them? :confused: How is this any different than an in-dash GPS/CD/Stereo Receiver units which have been commercially available for years? This is cheaper and easier to customize & update than that.

And as it is an iPad there is nothing preventing 3rd party developers from creating apps that tap in to the computers already in cars that provide data for things like tire pressure, break-pad wear, and any number of maintenance issues.

tod
Nov 5, 2012, 12:49 PM
I do all the time, I just use pre-2008 skills to get there.

It sounds like you don't ever go any place new or unknown.

tod
Nov 5, 2012, 01:06 PM
You do realize that many people in this world can't afford an upscale car, right? Or maybe they have better uses for their money? Do you usually mock people for not being yuppies?

The article author could have chosen a better test vehicle than a toileta cr4pola, but none-the-less, many of us will be installing similar mounts for our mini's.

spooky2k
Nov 5, 2012, 05:20 PM
All this talk of built in navigation and video screens in cars frankly sounds like rich people's toys from the future. Seriously, a car has always just been transportation to me, not an entertainment center.

Once again:

Navigation: I've never owned a GPS and I continue to get along very well without one. GPS in your car is not a necessity.

Contacts: You already have this on your phone.

Music: I don't listen to music in my car. My radio broke back in 2004. Since I never used it, I never bothered to replace it. I have no audio input options. So I think about stuff when I'm driving. I'm never bored.

Don't put an iPad in your car. Don't go to the trouble, don't spend the money.

All your post tells me is that YOU shouldn't put one in YOUR car. Others? Maybe they listen to music all the time when they drive, maybe they rely on sat nav, maybe there are things you can do on the iPad that you just can't do with regular car stereos that they feel benefits them (digital read outs of car computers for one!)

If you want an iPad in your car, this is the way to go. If you don't, then enjoy your car the way it is. Everyone wins and no one needs to feel high and mighty.

x-evil-x
Nov 5, 2012, 05:29 PM
Hey, that's Google maps! :D

You have a link to the bracket/holder you used?

i used the arkon seat mount. but just cut off the end part that has the ball on it. then drilled it into the bracket. worked perfectly.

x-evil-x
Nov 5, 2012, 05:52 PM
What way was that?



Edit: Oops, you've posted it.


Edit 2: So you just mounted in front of your stock system?

yes it covers it. so you can take it off and have your normal deck behind it for when you dont want to carry it.

PhoenixMac
Nov 5, 2012, 06:00 PM
Umm...you don't get the same functionality from an iPad than you would from a 1000 dollar stereo. Data costs would kill it. Not to mention the horrible Apple Maps, which happens to be made by Tom Tom. Anyone who's used Tom Tom GPS is not surprised with how horrible it is.

To some this might look "cool" but seems like a terrible idea

I have unlimited data with tethering so I am good on that front, and Apple Maps has been good for everywhere I had to go, that I did not know the directions to in the U.S.

And I know you do not get the same functionality, the only functionally I need is spotify/pandora, maps and yelp. So in essence only paying for the functions I need. Plus it is portable so when I am not in my car it doubles as a regular iPad!

faroZ06
Nov 5, 2012, 06:15 PM
All this talk of built in navigation and video screens in cars frankly sounds like rich people's toys from the future. Seriously, a car has always just been transportation to me, not an entertainment center.


Future? They had GPS navigators in cars back in 2000 and radios back in the 1940s and probably earlier. The iPad mini would just do a better job for less money.

EddieCurrent
Nov 5, 2012, 06:18 PM
I really wish insurance companies could/would find a way to start charging increased rates to people who habitually text/email while driving.

And how would one do that?:confused:

What about the folks eating, talking on the phone, doing their makeup, having an argument with their spouse, trying to hand something to a child in the back seat, or all of the myriad of distracted driver things people do and HAVE DONE for decades.

Distracted drivers aren't a new phenomenon. And all an insurance company could do is what they already do. Reward drivers with less accidents and tickets and penalize those with more.

bretm
Nov 5, 2012, 10:39 PM
Why, why, why would anybody want this?

I'm not talking about driver distraction. What I mean is, what on earth do you need to be doing on a dash-mounted iPad while you're in a car? Is getting to your destination not enough any more? Is having a conversation impossible? Have we reached the point where we need apps and gizmos and constant entertainment wherever we go, every second of every day?

Haven't cars always had radios? Isn't a GPS useful?

ratsg
Nov 5, 2012, 10:39 PM
I'm glad you're seeing things my way. I don't know that I would ever title a ricer an "up scale" car, but at $18K+ for one of those things is more than I would ever spend.

http://www.toyota.com/corolla/trims-prices.html

I realize that you intended to provide a smart-a55 reply, but I'm driving a '70 IH Scout. And you are absolutely correct. I have better things to spend my money on than an overpriced toileta.

yuppies? Is it 1982?

You do realize that many people in this world can't afford an upscale car, right? Or maybe they have better uses for their money? Do you usually mock people for not being yuppies?

mattroman246
Nov 5, 2012, 10:40 PM
yeah, oh that? thats just my car iPad yeah..

bretm
Nov 5, 2012, 10:42 PM
I have unlimited data with tethering so I am good on that front, and Apple Maps has been good for everywhere I had to go, that I did not know the directions to in the U.S.

And I know you do not get the same functionality, the only functionally I need is spotify/pandora, maps and yelp. So in essence only paying for the functions I need. Plus it is portable so when I am not in my car it doubles as a regular iPad!

How did you manage unlimited data and tethering? The minute you sign up for tethering, your unlimited data is null and void and you have to pick a new plan.

MacBH928
Nov 6, 2012, 08:40 AM
good way to die

IGregory
Nov 6, 2012, 09:25 AM
Looks like Microsoft/Ford were out front with its Sync (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608600/ford-sync-five-million-vehicles) Program.

ifij775
Nov 6, 2012, 10:07 AM
One word: Awesome

ncaissie
Nov 6, 2012, 10:36 AM
That looks awesome!
Don't forget to lock the doors at night.
If I leave mine unlocked for one night I will find the contents of the glove box all over the front seat.

maxxaddict
Nov 6, 2012, 11:55 AM
Thats where these 7" tablets shine, who needs an expensive $1000 stereo when you can get the same functionality out of a $200-600 device that you can take with you.

$800 plus price of iPad (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/new-ipad-mini-is-perfect-for-in-car-entertainment-use-video-51441.html)

Someone who wants a real stereo. You are forgetting the need for an external amplifier now that the factory one that's in the deck has been replaced. Also the ability to set your fade and balance easily, subwoofer controls, Graphic EQ and High/Low Pass filter adjustments, Ability to plug in external video sources (Back up camera and/or video game system if you want to go that route) and video outputs (Rear seat entertainment for the kids in the back). This device also looks to be mounted behind the dash panel so you cannot take it with you. Integrated Bluetooth for answering your phone hands-free is also a big option on that $1000 Double DIN stereo.

Also Pioneer offers integration with apps from your iOS and Android devices. (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/AppRadio)

Also there is
What I am waiting for is a 7" touchscreen deck that is built from the ground up as an android based stereo solution. I only say I'm excited for an Android device this because Apple will never release a 7" DIN mountable stereo solution, however Android doesn't have the limitations of it's use like iOS.

If I need a mobile device I'll but a mobile device and use it as such. If I want a real stereo that has all the functionality of a real stereo I'll get a real stereo.

*EDIT* I do however think it's cool to have an iPad integrated into your in-car entertainment system, I just don't think it is a solid replacement for a proper stereo system. It all depends on how much of an audiophile you are I guess.

imola.zhp
Nov 6, 2012, 02:36 PM
I would love this in my BMW...

PhoenixMac
Nov 6, 2012, 06:25 PM
How did you manage unlimited data and tethering? The minute you sign up for tethering, your unlimited data is null and void and you have to pick a new plan.

I am on verizon, unlimited tethering for grandfathered unlimited data is an extra $30 but I get discounts on data, tethering, and my phone bill because of my job.

sazivad
Nov 6, 2012, 07:57 PM
I wish car companies would make cars that came with, I don't know, a built-in landscape dock for your iPad mini.

So, y'know, you wouldn't have to rip out the existing (and really bad (http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/22/autos/ford_jd_power_initial_quality/index.htm)) "smart" interfaces the manufacturers seem so keen on shoving in our faces.

ratsg
Nov 6, 2012, 09:02 PM
+1.......at least kinda.

Both Ford (which you have provided a link for) and BMW (iDrive) both partnered with m$. I am not a fan of either product. I would call those products a failure, but I guess really only the manufacturer can decide that.

Just playing devil's advocate here, But assuming the auto manufacturer of your choice had provided the 30 pin connector as requested, and had been for years, the possibility exist that the connector would be obsolete due to the new lightning connectors, or they would fail in functionality and ascetics to some degree due to the new need to use some type of adapter.

I have a 3,5 mm headphone jack as an option for my stereo head, and I am generally happy with that.



I wish car companies would make cars that came with, I don't know, a built-in landscape dock for your iPad mini.

So, y'know, you wouldn't have to rip out the existing (and really bad (http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/22/autos/ford_jd_power_initial_quality/index.htm)) "smart" interfaces the manufacturers seem so keen on shoving in our faces.

saud0488
Nov 7, 2012, 09:13 AM
I have unlimited data with tethering so I am good on that front, and Apple Maps has been good for everywhere I had to go, that I did not know the directions to in the U.S.

And I know you do not get the same functionality, the only functionally I need is spotify/pandora, maps and yelp. So in essence only paying for the functions I need. Plus it is portable so when I am not in my car it doubles as a regular iPad!

Of course, when you get throttled and it takes 15 seconds to reroute you, then you'll wish you had a real GPS.

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I wish car companies would make cars that came with, I don't know, a built-in landscape dock for your iPad mini.

So, y'know, you wouldn't have to rip out the existing (and really bad (http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/22/autos/ford_jd_power_initial_quality/index.htm)) "smart" interfaces the manufacturers seem so keen on shoving in our faces.

Where would you put it exactly? Seems useless. A car is for getting you from point A to point B in the least distracted way possible. Why are you worried about interfaces in your car anyways? If you really are then spend the extra cash and get something like a Camry or Accord rather than Fusion. Those are fantastic.

McreativeH
Nov 7, 2012, 09:49 AM
Thats awesome!

MondayNgt
Nov 7, 2012, 11:44 AM
Why, why, why would anybody want this?

I'm not talking about driver distraction. What I mean is, what on earth do you need to be doing on a dash-mounted iPad while you're in a car? Is getting to your destination not enough any more? Is having a conversation impossible? Have we reached the point where we need apps and gizmos and constant entertainment wherever we go, every second of every day?

All this talk of built in navigation and video screens in cars frankly sounds like rich people's toys from the future. Seriously, a car has always just been transportation to me, not an entertainment center.


Damned kids, get off mah lawn!

deshawzn
Nov 7, 2012, 01:45 PM
Of course the damn thing is removable who on earth would want to keep itin the car the whole time. Second what idiot would leave it exposed in the car put it undr the seat if u cant take it with u. this is really good i want it done to my next car!

cprevost
Nov 7, 2012, 04:27 PM
A video player forward of the driver is a violation here in Oregon.

PhoenixMac
Nov 7, 2012, 09:02 PM
Of course, when you get throttled and it takes 15 seconds to reroute you, then you'll wish you had a real GPS.

Sorry but I do not get throttled on VZW.

Tonewheel
Nov 7, 2012, 10:14 PM
Wonderful idea.

But texting is bad. :confused::confused:

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Damned kids, get off mah lawn!

Mmm, no. He's right.

activate
Nov 8, 2012, 02:58 AM
I have been using an oxygen ocar (http://www.ocarusa.com/) head unit for an iphone in my small car. . It does precisely what soundman has showed but for an iphone.It works exactly like I was hoping to ie. music, phone calls, voice notifications, gps etc. Couldn't pick a flaw as far as functionality goes.

I am wondering if the same gadget, the ocar connector could be used for an ipad 3 or earlier instead of an iphone. This ocar has an amp and bluetooth in built. The only work would be alter it to accommodate the physical size of an ipad.

tlinford
Nov 9, 2012, 05:41 AM
Not sure what the car regulations are in the US, but here in the Euro zone... me thinks this would fall foul of the law. For example the Nav Head Unit in my Jeep, can Play DVD's yet, but this feature is disabled when the car is in motion for legal reasons...

This idea looks so cool, but it would be wring on sooo manny levels.... "hey lady, I'm sorry I drove into your pram; I was facebooking.."; "Hey dude what the problem, I drove into your rear coz I was looking at porn, ok!"

kappaknight
Nov 23, 2012, 11:46 AM
I do all the time, I just use pre-2008 skills to get there.

It's sad how repressed you are. I applaud you on using pre-2008 or pre-2000 skills to get to where you need to go, but a GPS is definitely a useful tool for many.

Why spend time looking up the destination, and printing out a one-time, paper map when you can just hop in your car last minute and figure it out as you go? I'm pretty good with directions myself but the amount of time I've saved from having a GPS has definitely made owning an iPhone, or a car with a GPS worth it.

justinwebb
Nov 25, 2012, 10:17 AM
My carpc will always be superior

BRyken
Nov 26, 2012, 05:09 PM
I do not understand why anyone would actually do this.

tod
Dec 23, 2012, 09:17 AM
I don't see it that way. I like the feeling of autonomy, of being away from home but not feeling lost because I have a basic familiarity with the area, where major streets are, etc. I see how many people who use a GPS all the time feel completely frustrated without it, because they are dependent on it to find their way.

Also, my lifestyle is different. I don't often hop in my car and go to random places on a whim. It's very wasteful. If I'm going to drive 35 miles into Cleveland, I try to come up with other things to do along the way to save gas. So I plan trips to save time and money.

I never print out maps either. I don't even have a printer. I just jot down a few directions (left here, right there) and that's good enough.

The more money you save on not driving wastefully and buying gadgets, the less you have to earn. To me this is the greatest reward of all: not the gee-whiz future, but being free from having to toil for a bunch of gizmos.

It's sad how repressed you are. I applaud you on using pre-2008 or pre-2000 skills to get to where you need to go, but a GPS is definitely a useful tool for many.

Why spend time looking up the destination, and printing out a one-time, paper map when you can just hop in your car last minute and figure it out as you go? I'm pretty good with directions myself but the amount of time I've saved from having a GPS has definitely made owning an iPhone, or a car with a GPS worth it.

Smoke0420
Jul 11, 2013, 11:06 PM
Super clean love it, did the install myself for my wife, iheart, pandora, iTunes , navi , Internet the list goes on, just got done doin 4 more ipad mini installs