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shenan1982
Nov 2, 2012, 05:40 PM
I'm disappointed. I bought a (Red) Smart Cover. Like others have reported, the magnets aren't strong enough to firmly hold it to the screen of the iPad. I'm going to return it and get the Belkin Dot Folio for now until something else comes along. I really wished the iPad Mini Smart Cover worked.... I tried the blue one in the store and had the same issue. Bummer.



glen e
Nov 2, 2012, 05:46 PM
I'd try anohter - I have a red and the dark grey, and both fit fine and can be turned upside down and they stay in place....and snug to the screen...because the hinge is now poly, they do move a bit on the surface, but match up fine...

shenan1982
Nov 2, 2012, 05:47 PM
I'd try anohter - I have a red and the dark grey, and both fit fine and can be turned upside down and they stay in place....and snug to the screen...because the hinge is now poly, they do move a bit on the surface, but match up fine...

It's not a question of matching up... when tilted upside down they sag. Several others have reported the same on here, and the Apple store said they've been getting reports all day, and it's a known issue. You know you don't have to be so defensive just because you bought the product, jeez.

glen e
Nov 2, 2012, 05:53 PM
It's not a question of matching up... when tilted upside down they sag. Several others have reported the same on here, and the Apple store said they've been getting reports all day, and it's a known issue. You know you don't have to be so defensive just because you bought the product, jeez.

I'm not defensive at all, I have two here that don't sag upside down...if you want I'll email you a video showing that....

shenan1982
Nov 2, 2012, 05:58 PM
I'm not defensive at all, I have two here that don't sag upside down...if you want I'll email you a video showing that....

It's a matter of your level of tolerance, that's all. They all do it.... your standard of acceptance is just lower

glen e
Nov 2, 2012, 06:02 PM
It's a matter of your level of tolerance, that's all. They all do it.... your standard of acceptance is just lower

looks pretty flat to me......I put it on you tube......guess I'm just not OCD about it....fold them back on themselves and put them under a weight for a few hours, they sit flat...the sun also does it...

http://youtu.be/n8aTx3fr8Dk

shenan1982
Nov 2, 2012, 06:09 PM
looks pretty flat to me......I put it on you tube......guess I'm just not OCD about it....

http://youtu.be/n8aTx3fr8Dk

You just made my point PERFECTLY, thanks for the video...

a) you were holding it almost mid-way, which decreases the sag.

b) 0:05 in you can see the wall through the gap\sag.

That's my point, that sag is not supposed to be that way. When comparing to the design of the Smart Covers for the full size iPad, where that issue doesn't exist. Depending on how you hold yours, the sag is exacerbated and becomes much more noticeable. Obviously there's not enough magnetic hold on the ends, or they should have also put magnets in the middle to prevent the sag.

Additionally, I didn't comment on it before, but I don't like how the case folds don't allow it to fold nicely against the back like in the full size version. It doubles over awkwardly and hangs out. Not a huge issue, but a peeve.

I am not OCD, it just seems like we should expect more for a piece of poly-whatever that costs FORTY DOLLARS. It feels cheaper (to me) than the full size versions, but maybe not. Sorry if you feel my expectations are too high for a forty dollar piece of plastic.

EDIT - The issue isn't that it's not "flat" ... putting it under a weight isn't the issue. The issue is that you have a 6-7 inch span, and there is magnets at 0" and a magnet at 6.5". . and the magnets seem insufficient, and by any engineering standard that sag will happen. The only remedy I could see to prevent this would have been a magnet at the 3-4" point as well.

glen e
Nov 2, 2012, 06:13 PM
your right - I think you are expecting too much, my larger smartcovers do what you don't like too, does not bother me in the least. And I am holding the corner 1st section, not the middle. I just don't see it as a problem. But yes, take it back, you'll never see it as something that suits you....

shenan1982
Nov 2, 2012, 06:16 PM
your right - I think you are expecting too much, my larger smartcovers do what you don't like too, does not bother me in the least. And I am holding the corner 1st section, not the middle. I just don't see it as a problem. But yes, take it back, you'll never see it as something that suits you....

I ditched my iPad (3rd gen) a month ago. I don't recall having the same issue, but I suppose it may have been lack of noticing it. This just really sticks out on the Mini for me. Well back to the store the Smart Cover goes. I really want a folio style case anyhow, I have 3 being delivered tomorrow from Amazon so hopefully one or more will be the one for me. :-)

glen e
Nov 2, 2012, 06:20 PM
I ditched my iPad (3rd gen) a month ago. I don't recall having the same issue, but I suppose it may have been lack of noticing it. This just really sticks out on the Mini for me. Well back to the store the Smart Cover goes. I really want a folio style case anyhow, I have 3 being delivered tomorrow from Amazon so hopefully one or more will be the one for me. :-)

I hope you find what you want....I'm gonna wait on a folio for a while as I just don't think the case makers have had one to template until today. I would like to find a folio like the spiegen Valentinus which has been great on my 3 and now my 4...Like the 3, most case makers so far are screwing up the magnet thing again like the early days of the 3....(targus,Maroo)

rockyroad55
Nov 2, 2012, 06:23 PM
OP thanks for your post. I thought the smart covers were supposed to do this but I'm wrong. When I hold my ipad upside down, the cover drops right off as if there are no magnets at all.

shenan1982
Nov 2, 2012, 06:24 PM
I hope you find what you want....I'm gonna wait on a folio for a while as I just don't think the case makers have had one to template until today. I would like to find a folio like the spiegen Valentinus which has been great on my 3 and now my 4...Like the 3, most case makers so far are screwing up the magnet thing again like the early days of the 3....(targus,Maroo)

Yeah, I'm thinking the same. The two I ordered (non branded) from Amazon both arrived and didn't fit or didn't fit well (and I'm not being picky like the ones I talked about in this thread, hehe).

I even posted another thread from Kay Cases how they said they got the specs from rumor sites and they turned out wrong. They refunded it, but I think you're right about the specs being kept quiet.

I do think Belkin\Speck\Incipio got the specs early on though, as they are usually pretty reputable, and Belkin already has cases in stock. Just a guess tho.

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OP thanks for your post. I thought the smart covers were supposed to do this but I'm wrong. When I hold my ipad upside down, the cover drops right off as if there are no magnets at all.

Mine doesn't just drop right off, but a slight shake and it will drop. It's definitely sagging without trying. I think it's a good product, and I'd tolerate the sag if they had charged $10-20 for it, but at $40, nope.

rockyroad55
Nov 2, 2012, 08:27 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking the same. The two I ordered (non branded) from Amazon both arrived and didn't fit or didn't fit well (and I'm not being picky like the ones I talked about in this thread, hehe).

I even posted another thread from Kay Cases how they said they got the specs from rumor sites and they turned out wrong. They refunded it, but I think you're right about the specs being kept quiet.

I do think Belkin\Speck\Incipio got the specs early on though, as they are usually pretty reputable, and Belkin already has cases in stock. Just a guess tho.

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Mine doesn't just drop right off, but a slight shake and it will drop. It's definitely sagging without trying. I think it's a good product, and I'd tolerate the sag if they had charged $10-20 for it, but at $40, nope.

Is it supposed to magnetize to the back?

AFDoc
Nov 2, 2012, 08:35 PM
I'm not defensive at all, I have two here that don't sag upside down...if you want I'll email you a video showing that....

LoL OP is the one that's all uptight yet he accuses you of being defensive.... classic!

pasadena
Nov 2, 2012, 09:18 PM
I second that : it does sag because the magnets at the far end of it are not strong enough.

rockyroad55
Nov 2, 2012, 11:45 PM
I'm going to do an exchange tomorrow to see if that helps.

SchneiderMan
Nov 3, 2012, 12:06 AM
The mini Smart Covers are weaker in structural strength for obvious reasons. But they still work perfectly fine and lat flat as they are supposed to. At least in my case. Even the magnets hold the cover when its flipped back, unlike the larger version. Again, because we're dealing with a much smaller cover.

ME Nick
Nov 3, 2012, 10:15 AM
Yeah, I'm having the same issue with the mini smart cover.
Mine actually raises up when set down on the mini.

Haven't even tried the turn upside-down test yet.

shenan1982
Nov 3, 2012, 12:24 PM
I got the belkin dot case delivered today... don't like it, it's like a friggin novel. Oh well guess it'll do until something else comes along.

I really really hope apple comes out with the smart case, that would solve all of my issues with finding the perfect case.

rockyroad55
Nov 3, 2012, 04:06 PM
The mini Smart Covers are weaker in structural strength for obvious reasons. But they still work perfectly fine and lat flat as they are supposed to. At least in my case. Even the magnets hold the cover when its flipped back, unlike the larger version. Again, because we're dealing with a much smaller cover.

So your cover stays on without budging? I want. I want.

shenan1982
Nov 3, 2012, 04:07 PM
So your cover stays on without budging? I want. I want.

I'd love to see a video of this. Because the Apple store itself is saying that they don't stay on.

rockyroad55
Nov 3, 2012, 04:10 PM
I'd love to see a video of this. Because the Apple store itself is saying that they don't stay on.

Same here. I'd like to see a video of that. If the back was magnetized, the iPad would fall asleep.

ghsNick
Nov 3, 2012, 06:02 PM
If you turn a regular iPad or iPad mini upside down with a Smart Cover it sags a little bit. If you completely hold it upside down with now support on the Smart Cover it comes undone.

The one thing I'm worried about is the new poly between the magnet (permanent one attaching to the body) and the Smart Cover. The Poly or whatever it is seems like it could rip/get loose. Before it couldn't with the metal...does anyone else get what I'm saying?

rockyroad55
Nov 3, 2012, 06:06 PM
If you turn a regular iPad or iPad mini upside down with a Smart Cover it sags a little bit. If you completely hold it upside down with now support on the Smart Cover it comes undone.

The one thing I'm worried about is the new poly between the magnet (permanent one attaching to the body) and the Smart Cover. The Poly or whatever it is seems like it could rip/get loose. Before it couldn't with the metal...does anyone else get what I'm saying?

You mean the piece that holds the cover to the mini? It's fairly strong. It held up my ipad when I attached it to my fridge haha

ghsNick
Nov 3, 2012, 06:33 PM
You mean the piece that holds the cover to the mini? It's fairly strong. It held up my ipad when I attached it to my fridge haha

You don't think the piece connecting the two will fall apart/go to hell after some use?

And do magnets lose their strength over time? I mean...it doesn't matter how many times I take the magnet on/off it won't lose it's strength, will it?

glen e
Nov 3, 2012, 07:11 PM
You don't think the piece connecting the two will fall apart/go to hell after some use?

And do magnets lose their strength over time? I mean...it doesn't matter how many times I take the magnet on/off it won't lose it's strength, will it?

based on the folds of my 18 month old large smartcover, I'd guess your concerns are a non issue....

ghsNick
Nov 3, 2012, 07:30 PM
based on the folds of my 18 month old large smartcover, I'd guess your concerns are a non issue....

Weren't those metallic those? These are poly.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.

glen e
Nov 3, 2012, 07:37 PM
Weren't those metallic those? These are poly.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.

the folds on a std smartcover are poly....on a poly cover.....do a search here - very few threads on poly failure...be positive!

ghsNick
Nov 3, 2012, 07:48 PM
the folds on a std smartcover are poly....on a poly cover.....do a search here - very few threads on poly failure...be positive!

Ok I got yeah. What abut the magnets?

glen e
Nov 3, 2012, 07:53 PM
who the hell knows? mine are fine on the 4 smartcovers I own.......but...

don't buy it if you're cynical on the product...

urkel
Nov 4, 2012, 12:44 AM
The Mini covers aren't of the same quality as the originals and thats a shame. It detaches way too easily, isnt as sturdy as a stand and even though I like the less-scratchy non-leather hinge then it doesn't feel right. Overall it just doesnt feel like a quality product.

Im keeping it though just because I like Smart Covers, but I am exchanging light gray for dark gray because light gray doesnt look as good in person. Its a shame that Apple is charging so much for something that falls below their own standards.

glen e
Nov 4, 2012, 12:57 AM
The Mini covers aren't of the same quality as the originals and thats a shame. It detaches way too easily, isnt as sturdy as a stand and even though I like the less-scratchy non-leather hinge then it doesn't feel right. Overall it just doesnt feel like a quality product.

Im keeping it though just because I like Smart Covers, but I am exchanging light gray for dark gray because light gray doesnt look as good in person. Its a shame that Apple is charging so much for something that falls below their own standards.

Honestly I disagree...I have looked closely and the folds are the same, it stands the same and the hinge will last the same. In fact, the mini is better as it won't scratch like the bigger covers with metal hinges. There is more play in the hinge, but I don't see that as cheap. But to each his own, I plan to CF mine with CF strips from icarbon and a hard shell back. It'll work fine...FOR ME. But this is why Apple has a great return policy. I felt the same about the smartcase and returned both of mine because I thought it was junk. I agree it should be $29, though.

xraydoc
Nov 4, 2012, 09:32 AM
It's not a question of matching up... when tilted upside down they sag. Several others have reported the same on here, and the Apple store said they've been getting reports all day, and it's a known issue. You know you don't have to be so defensive just because you bought the product, jeez.

On my full-sized iPad, turning it upside down (screen down to gravity) will also cause the Smart Cover to sag a bit.

jbromer
Nov 4, 2012, 10:38 AM
Mine sagged in the middle too. Just returned it (and exchanged my black 32 for a white too!)

stridemat
Nov 4, 2012, 04:12 PM
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rockyroad55
Nov 4, 2012, 04:44 PM
Mine sagged in the middle too. Just returned it (and exchanged my black 32 for a white too!)

How is the new one?

mobutt
Nov 4, 2012, 04:54 PM
I feel like you have to break it in, mine is perfect now, but I was actually the first person to post a thread of the issue of it not laying flat.

rockyroad55
Nov 4, 2012, 05:06 PM
I feel like you have to break it in, mine is perfect now, but I was actually the first person to post a thread of the issue of it not laying flat.

What happens when you turn it upside down? Does it sag or come right off?

shenan1982
Nov 4, 2012, 05:45 PM
What happens when you turn it upside down? Does it sag or come right off?

I tried to "break mine in" ... the issue is the magnets aren't strong enough to hold it down. I didn't have an issue with it flapping open, I just had the sagging issue, and that's something no "break in period" could resolve, it's just an is what it is kinda thing unfortunately. If the smart cover was $10-20 I'd just live with it, but for $40 I can't look past the flaw with other good cases in the same price range.

rockyroad55
Nov 4, 2012, 05:52 PM
I tried to "break mine in" ... the issue is the magnets aren't strong enough to hold it down. I didn't have an issue with it flapping open, I just had the sagging issue, and that's something no "break in period" could resolve, it's just an is what it is kinda thing unfortunately. If the smart cover was $10-20 I'd just live with it, but for $40 I can't look past the flaw with other good cases in the same price range.

Same here. I'm returning mine tomorrow or maybe I will ask an employee to try another out first.

shenan1982
Nov 4, 2012, 05:53 PM
Same here. I'm returning mine tomorrow or maybe I will ask an employee to try another out first.

When I returned mine I asked to try another, and they showed me a couple. They said it's kinda pointless to bother though, as they've been getting a lot of complaints and returns because of it.

glen e
Nov 4, 2012, 06:00 PM
To each his own - this is more than flat enuf for me....and exactly how my 18 month old ipad3 cover looks too
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/C67E83D3-29A1-4F37-8BD9-38AE9E490C9F-1504-0000038268804E51.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/6C1DDDD8-6FC7-440E-B693-D05F28A6E10C-1504-0000038264AFBB3F.jpg

and my red cover
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/B77B0FFE-4C64-437A-9639-2D56ABB1A57B-1504-00000383D1752CF3.jpg

Sodner
Nov 4, 2012, 06:01 PM
The mini Smart Covers are weaker in structural strength for obvious reasons. But they still work perfectly fine and lat flat as they are supposed to. At least in my case. Even the magnets hold the cover when its flipped back, unlike the larger version. Again, because we're dealing with a much smaller cover.

Ditto. Not quite the same as the full sized iPad Smart Cover but I see nothing to be upset about. Mine has yet to fall off during use. Does it tilt a bit when folded onto the back, yea. Does it devalue the product, no. Still an excellent way to protect the screen and act as a protection when setting it down.

shenan1982
Nov 4, 2012, 06:02 PM
To each his own - this is more than flat enuf for me....and exactly how my 18 month old ipad3 cover looks too
Image (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/C67E83D3-29A1-4F37-8BD9-38AE9E490C9F-1504-0000038268804E51.jpg)
Image (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/6C1DDDD8-6FC7-440E-B693-D05F28A6E10C-1504-0000038264AFBB3F.jpg)

Yeah, but yours sags for an entirely different reason, you have a TPU case that disrupts the even laying of the case against the facade.

glen e
Nov 4, 2012, 06:08 PM
ok, case off:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/0F9D973E-AFFA-4745-954F-88D943C62AD0-1504-000003848D591192.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/643BF59D-E0D4-44BF-84D6-4988BA7D63E5-1504-000003847AA5175F.jpg

shenan1982
Nov 4, 2012, 06:11 PM
ok, case off:

Image (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/0F9D973E-AFFA-4745-954F-88D943C62AD0-1504-000003848D591192.jpg)
Image (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/643BF59D-E0D4-44BF-84D6-4988BA7D63E5-1504-000003847AA5175F.jpg)

I'd be happy with that on my Mini... unfortunately the several I've tried have gaps so large you can see between the gap and the ipad, and any movement exacerbates the gap.

glen e
Nov 4, 2012, 06:17 PM
the first thing I did with both my red and grey is set them in the sun flat for a few hours...(I'm in florida so we still have pretty good temp)..I'll bet you could get a better "flatness" with laying it on glass or counter and a hair dryer used on low....

the poly folds are strong so it lasts and eventually it flattens with use - here is a ipd3 cover that has been used for 18 months daily for travel and presentations - it's flat (on a incipio back)
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/12C17CCD-A5DA-4AAF-BD5F-647C3C7BAC3E-1777-0000038712474962.jpg

Senseotech
Nov 4, 2012, 06:27 PM
To each his own - this is more than flat enuf for me....and exactly how my 18 month old ipad3 cover looks too
Image (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/C67E83D3-29A1-4F37-8BD9-38AE9E490C9F-1504-0000038268804E51.jpg)

Image (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/6C1DDDD8-6FC7-440E-B693-D05F28A6E10C-1504-0000038264AFBB3F.jpg)

and my red cover
Image (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/B77B0FFE-4C64-437A-9639-2D56ABB1A57B-1504-00000383D1752CF3.jpg)

Whats that rear shell case if you don't mind me asking?

glen e
Nov 4, 2012, 06:28 PM
Whats that rear shell case if you don't mind me asking?

Kays case TPU but it has to be cut to accept a smartcover - new ones being made now...
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/9ED32329-D5F3-4903-A0DE-96D17F7F2C21-1504-0000034341BBF7B5.jpg

rockyroad55
Nov 4, 2012, 07:04 PM
the first thing I did with both my red and grey is set them in the sun flat for a few hours...(I'm in florida so we still have pretty good temp)..I'll bet you could get a better "flatness" with laying it on glass or counter and a hair dryer used on low....

the poly folds are strong so it lasts and eventually it flattens with use - here is a ipd3 cover that has been used for 18 months daily for travel and presentations - it's flat (on a incipio back)
Image (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/gersly123/12C17CCD-A5DA-4AAF-BD5F-647C3C7BAC3E-1777-0000038712474962.jpg)

Feather back?

glen e
Nov 4, 2012, 07:09 PM
incipio smartfeather....not avail yet for mini - waiting for this and a clear macally back...

glen e
Nov 5, 2012, 11:52 AM
You don't think the piece connecting the two will fall apart/go to hell after some use?

And do magnets lose their strength over time? I mean...it doesn't matter how many times I take the magnet on/off it won't lose it's strength, will it?

you keep asking, and no one knows...you sold your mini anyway, right?

Applepi
Nov 5, 2012, 12:00 PM
My smart cover wasn't laying flat as well until after I started laying my iPad smart cover face down when not in use. After a few days of this, voila, flat smart cover. Worked for me.

Jimatverizon
Nov 24, 2012, 09:58 AM
I have a black leather Smart Cover that I got with the iPad 2 on launch day. The magnets are definitely weakening. The hinge comes off easier now, to the extent it will come off when just trying to fold the cover under to use. Also when closed and the iPad is held face down, the Smart Cover falls away from the screen. This may me a problem that affects only a small percentage of smart covers, but if you are one of the few, then it's a major problem. If your Smart Cover still works great, then just consider yourself lucky instead of saying that those who are having a problem are just imagining it

pooleman
Nov 24, 2012, 10:14 AM
I returned the cover that I bought on launch day. It was a POS.

Jimatverizon
Nov 24, 2012, 12:40 PM
Has anyone tried taking a Smart Cover back to Apple after having it for a year and a half? On another note, they have replaced an iphone bumper free of charge for me that was a year and a half old.

XxWestinxX
Nov 24, 2012, 12:56 PM
I know exactly what you're talking about. First one I had did it, annoyed me so much, exchanged it and don't have the issue with the new one

Think it's hit or miss

daantje22
Dec 8, 2012, 05:18 PM
i have the same thing, the cover doesn't stay flat on the mini, it doesn't fit well