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Nov 6, 2012, 08:41 AM
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http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/09/iphone_5_box_100.jpgThe Wall Street Journal reports (http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/11/06/iphone-5-sells-out-in-india/) that Apple has sold through its initial stocks of the iPhone 5 in India following the device's launch there on Friday, but the company was said to have delivered only 10,000-15,000 units for the first wave of sales."We were sold out within 24 hours of launch. It's all gone," said Himanshu Chakrawarti, chief executive of The MobileStore Ltd., a retailer that stocks iPhones and which has 900 outlets across India. Apple Inc.'s latest iPhone officially launched in India on Friday, more than a month after it hit major markets elsewhere.Analysts are expecting Apple to deliver roughly 100,000 iPhone 5 units to India in the first month of availability, jumping to 200,000 by the end of the year.

While those shipment numbers pale in comparison to those seen other populous countries, they do represent a substantial jump over the 50,000 units sent to India in the June quarter, a boost due not only to the introduction of the new hardware but also improved distribution (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/18/apple-looks-to-distributors-to-expand-iphone-sales-in-india/).

(Thanks, Rounak! (http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/11/apple-iphone-5-india-sold-out.html))

Article Link: Apple Sells Out of Meager iPhone 5 Launch Stocks in India (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/06/apple-sells-out-of-meager-iphone-5-launch-stocks-in-india/)



akbarali.ch
Nov 6, 2012, 09:14 AM
Surprise!

coder12
Nov 6, 2012, 09:16 AM
Woah, that's a short supply. Are they hoping everybody ordered online, or are they just that low in stock?

MonkeySee....
Nov 6, 2012, 09:17 AM
Woah, that's a short supply. Are they hoping everybody ordered online, or are they just that low in stock?

Maybe they're just being cautious?

Ramchi
Nov 6, 2012, 09:18 AM
All supplies are sold out. There are no iPhones for sale in any shops. I purchased 64 GB for $ 1100 and it was very few and rare here.

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I watched a guy purchasing 16 GB 100 numbers! I mean the demand is insane!

justperry
Nov 6, 2012, 09:19 AM
So essentially that means 1 out of 100.000 people got their hands on one.:eek:

mankar4
Nov 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
Why no love for India?

M-O
Nov 6, 2012, 10:04 AM
there seems to be a few zeros missing...

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So essentially that means 1 out of 100.000 people got their hands on one.:eek:

that will do wonders for the resale value.

nickn
Nov 6, 2012, 10:50 AM
There are over 1.2 billion people in India, but Apple is planning on sending only handsets 200,000 for the entire year? I guess Indians really hate iOS...

hrishidev
Nov 6, 2012, 11:10 AM
iPhone 5 Black 16 GB is easily available at many electronic outlets since day one. I checked it today too. But other varients are still not available & definately demand is insane.

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There are over 1.2 billion people in India, but Apple is planning on sending only handsets 200,000 for the entire year? I guess Indians really hate iOS...

All iPhone so far are sold at price more than 700 $(base model price) and not at 200 $ like in US but people are still ready to buy. How many people in US will buy it at 700 $ & how many people in India will go for it if iPhone is 200$ ?

Abs_p
Nov 6, 2012, 12:36 PM
iPhone 5 Black 16 GB is easily available at many electronic outlets since day one. I checked it today too. But other varients are still not available & definately demand is insane.

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All iPhone so far are sold at price more than 700 $(base model price) and not at 200 $ like in US but people are still ready to buy. How many people in US will buy it at 700 $ & how many people in India will go for it if iPhone is 200$ ?

Actually the price is $836 for a 16gb according to today's exchange rate.
And one basic thing. Price is US is under contract. U pay $200 upfront and then 24 months the rental is over 60-70$ ( this is the base plan)
So basically its much more expensive in USA then its in india at the end of two years.
Ahh well. Ignorance ;)

Worf
Nov 6, 2012, 12:43 PM
The ignorance here is astounding. While these numbers are not great compared to sales of more developed countries, the sell-out here of is indicative of a growing opportunity for Apple in Asian countries. Many in India still use Nokia Phones based off the Symbian operating system but now that Symbian has been shuttered, Apple has an opportunity to come in and steal customers who are looking for more advanced smartphones. This is a good sign of progress for Apple in India and sales are likely to increase in the coming years as India grows.

BornAgainMac
Nov 6, 2012, 12:44 PM
If I lived in India, I would just get the Samsung Galaxy III and call it a day.

Dammit Cubs
Nov 6, 2012, 02:52 PM
It's not like everyone can afford these phones.

Yes, they have a billion people.
Yes, Apple is supply constraint right now. But some people just can't afford it or choose to buy it at this ridiculous price.

To give you an idea, I was in India for a wedding. One of the servants never saw an iphone before (mesmorized). He asked how much it was, I didn't want to tell him, but I did.

It equaled his yearly income. Why do you think Nokia phones are still popular there? It takes time, but it will be reach everyone.

princetanha
Nov 6, 2012, 02:55 PM
Apple just dont care about non-US or non-europ customers ! Samsung got a really good suppliers here in middle east and Samsung phones sells like a charm &they release them here before even US , and the apple iphone 5 wich was released in Sep is not here yet (what a shame ) everyone here got a note 2 now ! Its everywhere ..

Chuck-Norris
Nov 6, 2012, 02:59 PM
The ignorance here is astounding. While these numbers are not great compared to sales of more developed countries, the sell-out here of is indicative of a growing opportunity for Apple in Asian countries. Many in India still use Nokia Phones based off the Symbian operating system but now that Symbian has been shuttered, Apple has an opportunity to come in and steal customers who are looking for more advanced smartphones. This is a good sign of progress for Apple in India and sales are likely to increase in the coming years as India grows.

yeah but its negligible

Gemütlichkeit
Nov 6, 2012, 03:52 PM
largest population on the planet but what % of that population can actually afford an iphone?

rak007
Nov 6, 2012, 04:54 PM
largest population on the planet but what % of that population can actually afford an iphone?

As someone mentioned the price in US is 200$ with contact while in India there is no contract system so people have to always shell out full price for the phone which is substantially higher than the US Unlocked price. This is the first hurdle.
Also being a very populous country does not mean everyone is rich. Even a salary of 1000$ a month is considered very very good in India. The reason being the price of commodities and services. In US one pays 100$ for electricity per month while in India the bill hardly crosses 20$.
The comparison of population and ability to afford is irrelevant.
Btw Samsung is dominant in India with S3 and Note 2 selling left right and center across India.

destiny909090
Nov 6, 2012, 08:57 PM
It's not like everyone can afford these phones.

Yes, they have a billion people.
Yes, Apple is supply constraint right now. But some people just can't afford it or choose to buy it at this ridiculous price.

To give you an idea, I was in India for a wedding. One of the servants never saw an iphone before (mesmorized). He asked how much it was, I didn't want to tell him, but I did.

It equaled his yearly income. Why do you think Nokia phones are still popular there? It takes time, but it will be reach everyone.

I saw a Lots of people In india Took a 64 gb for 2000 $ On the launch Date when it was out ,and in grey market it sold like hot cakes.

http://www.youtube.com/jimmykimmellive

Hope this is fair enough lol

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largest population on the planet but what % of that population can actually afford an iphone?

Make the Price same Like USA,it will break records
:D

Pakaku
Nov 6, 2012, 10:24 PM
To give you an idea, I was in India for a wedding. One of the servants never saw an iphone before (mesmorized). He asked how much it was, I didn't want to tell him, but I did.

It equaled his yearly income. Why do you think Nokia phones are still popular there? It takes time, but it will be reach everyone.

It definitely puts things in perspective...

gotluck
Nov 6, 2012, 10:29 PM
Actually the price is $836 for a 16gb according to today's exchange rate.
And one basic thing. Price is US is under contract. U pay $200 upfront and then 24 months the rental is over 60-70$ ( this is the base plan)
So basically its much more expensive in USA then its in india at the end of two years.
Ahh well. Ignorance ;)

so... cell and data service is free in India then?

...ignorance

Ramchi
Nov 6, 2012, 11:04 PM
Actually the price is $836 for a 16gb according to today's exchange rate.
And one basic thing. Price is US is under contract. U pay $200 upfront and then 24 months the rental is over 60-70$ ( this is the base plan)
So basically its much more expensive in USA then its in india at the end of two years.
Ahh well. Ignorance ;)

Not quite! Even in India when you get iPhone you also pay for Monthly Plans (most of the iPhone buyers) which is averages around $20-30 Per Month with limited data plans and limited voice plans.

hrishidev
Nov 7, 2012, 12:15 AM
@Abs_p

All iPhone (release in India) so far are sold at price more than 700 $(base model price). There is lot of fluctuation in USD-INR exchange rate last three years. Thats why I came to magic figure of $700. I hope this makes it clear Also $836 is more than $700. :D

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Not quite! Even in India when you get iPhone you also pay for Monthly Plans (most of the iPhone buyers) which is averages around $20-30 Per Month with limited data plans and limited voice plans. just to add to it. These data plans are not in LTE or 3G technology offered in developed countries :mad:

Abs_p
Nov 7, 2012, 01:09 AM
@Abs_p

All iPhone (release in India) so far are sold at price more than 700 $(base model price). There is lot of fluctuation in USD-INR exchange rate last three years. Thats why I came to magic figure of $700. I hope this makes it clear Also $836 is more than $700. :D

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just to add to it. These data plans are not in LTE or 3G technology offered in developed countries :mad:

Nopes nopes nopes.
836 is according to current exchange rates.
When INR is stronger then dollar ie when the exchange rates are the usual 45-50 rupees per $ then the amount goes over 900 dollars.
Your $700 dollar figure would be apt when the dollar rates are over 60 :p

Regarding the plans for iphone by airtel and other providers. Agreed they are over priced.
But i dont think anyone forces u to pay for them?
I use my iPhone on vodafone mumbai circle.
Below is the cost i pay per month for using iphone.
so... cell and data service is free in India then?

...ignorance


Normal prepaid call rates are 50p/min.
Now lets calculate. 1 USD = 54INR.
Now that gives u 108 minutes per dollar.

The plan i use gives me call rates at 30p/min
That means i get 150+ minutes of talk time per dollar.

Talking about data. A 2g data plan costs 2 dollars for a gb. 3 dollars for 2gb.
My 3g connection (2gb) costs me 450 rs = 8.3 dollars.
2gb connection for 2gb is 150 rs = 3 dollars approx
3000 texts = 89 INR = 1.6 dollars.

1 use 2gb of 3g data and 2gb of 2g data a month= 600 INR = 8.3 + 3 = $ 11.3 approx
My monthly talktime is around 600 minutes = 200 INR = $ 4

Total cost = 600 + 200 + 89 = Rs. 889 = $16.5
My iPhone 5 ( verizon :p ) cost me 749 + tax = 800 approx (exchange rate was 52.50) =Rs. 42000approx.

So at the end of 2 years my cost will be 42000 + ( 890*24 = 21360 ) =Rs. 63360 = $1166.5 ( This is according to current exchange rates)

Cheap huh?

Ramchi
Nov 7, 2012, 01:26 AM
Today the exchange Rate is USD = 54 Rupees

I have paid Rs 59.500 for my 64 GB iPhone 5 = $1101.

iPhone 5 (16 GB) - $842
iPhone 5 (32 GB) - $972
iPhone 5 (64 GB) - $1101

hrishidev
Nov 7, 2012, 04:49 AM
@Abs_p , I will be more direct answering the question . It would have definitely saved time for both of us :)
You said "I guess Indians really hate iOS..." . My answer to that is "people are not actually hating iOS but due to price constraint favoring Android/Nokia phones."

Btw, Vodafone in Mumbai gives very good service but in Bangalore , things are not the same. I choose Vodafone for my experience in Mumbai but I regret it. All of people I know using Vodafone in Bangalore face problem on regular basis :mad:

cytomatrix
Nov 7, 2012, 05:38 AM
It's not like everyone can afford these phones.

Yes, they have a billion people.
Yes, Apple is supply constraint right now. But some people just can't afford it or choose to buy it at this ridiculous price.

To give you an idea, I was in India for a wedding. One of the servants never saw an iphone before (mesmorized). He asked how much it was, I didn't want to tell him, but I did.

It equaled his yearly income. Why do you think Nokia phones are still popular there? It takes time, but it will be reach everyone.

Oh look, another white guy who thinks he knows everything about just because he visited India once, for a wedding. Here is a little hint. He was a servant. Talk to someone who work in I.T or medical field. Last time I visited India, all I could see was iPhones and iPads.

macnerd93
Nov 7, 2012, 06:59 AM
Why no love for India?

Most likely low stock numbers in comparison to other countries, simply because an iPhone to the majority of people in India would be extremely out of reach. Its something to cater towards the wealthy.

AppleWarMachine
Nov 7, 2012, 10:48 AM
Apple just likes to have the headline of being "sold out"....here's 100 phones, all bought, sold out, Yes! :eek:
new products being unavailable by weeks at a time

MacCurry
Nov 7, 2012, 01:45 PM
largest population on the planet but what % of that population can actually afford an iphone?

There are 27 million smart phone users in India growing rapidly. The problem with Apple is that there is no dedicated iTunes store for India. So content is limited especially when India is so wealthy in much of its own music, movies and literature.

Apple can ignore India for now, but risks getting shut out down the road when Samsung is already dominating.

retroneo
Nov 7, 2012, 06:38 PM
so... cell and data service is free in India then?

...ignorance

Umm. He just said it's $70 a month for line rental (the calls and data service charge recurring monthly)

hrishidev
Nov 7, 2012, 10:31 PM
There are 27 million smart phone users in India growing rapidly. The problem with Apple is that there is no dedicated iTunes store for India. So content is limited especially when India is so wealthy in much of its own music, movies and literature.

Apple can ignore India for now, but risks getting shut out down the road when Samsung is already dominating.

Yeah , If Apple takes India seriously , content from 25 language will be digitally available. Win-win situation for artists as well as for Apple

kdarling
Nov 7, 2012, 11:10 PM
There are over 1.2 billion people in India, but Apple is planning on sending only handsets 200,000 for the entire year? I guess Indians really hate iOS...

More likely the price of the phone is a major factor.

Smartphones in general don't sell that well yet.

Total India smartphone sales were 2.7 million units during 1Q12. Of those, Samsung sold 40%, Nokia 26%, RIM 12%, Apple maybe 2%.

Abs_p
Nov 8, 2012, 02:57 AM
@Abs_p , I will be more direct answering the question . It would have definitely saved time for both of us :)
You said "I guess Indians really hate iOS..." . My answer to that is "people are not actually hating iOS but due to price constraint favoring Android/Nokia phones."

Btw, Vodafone in Mumbai gives very good service but in Bangalore , things are not the same. I choose Vodafone for my experience in Mumbai but I regret it. All of people I know using Vodafone in Bangalore face problem on regular basis :mad:

I didnt say indians really hate iOS :p

^_^

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I didnt say indians really hate iOS :p

^_^

Umm. He just said it's $70 a month for line rental (the calls and data service charge recurring monthly)

If he is me then i did say its around 70 dollars but that was for usa :)
its basically 4 times cheaper then that in india..
You can see my monthly expense breakdown in my previous post.

KdParker
Nov 8, 2012, 09:35 AM
Woah, that's a short supply. Are they hoping everybody ordered online, or are they just that low in stock?

I agree. that is ridiculously low for such a large population.

MacCurry
Nov 8, 2012, 11:46 AM
More likely the price of the phone is a major factor.

Smartphones in general don't sell that well yet.

Total India smartphone sales were 2.7 million units during 1Q12. Of those, Samsung sold 40%, Nokia 26%, RIM 12%, Apple maybe 2%.

Take a look at Galaxy S3 sales in India, they are doing well.

kdarling
Nov 8, 2012, 11:58 AM
Woah, that's a short supply. Are they hoping everybody ordered online, or are they just that low in stock?

It's just that the iPhone doesn't sell that well in India.

The first year it was available, it only sold around 50,000 units.

Nowadays Apple sells about 50,000 per quarter to India, so 200,000 for the year is a very valid estimate.

Yes, that's a tiny number considering there's almost a billion Indian cell phone users.

hakuna-matata
Nov 8, 2012, 01:25 PM
Take a look at Galaxy S3 sales in India, they are doing well.

The reason is not that many people can't afford(though it's an imp factor). Main point is many choose not to.And the logic says : price.

India: post iPhone 5 prices of some phones:


iPhone 4 ( 8 gb only ) - 488$
iPhone 4s (16 gb only)- 708$
iPhone 5 (16 gb) - 837$
iPhone 5 (32 gb) - 965$

Samsung Galaxy S3 - 588$
Sam. Galaxy Note II -635$
Htc One X (16 gb ) - 570$

All phones prices come down nearly after 3-4 months of launch in India, but iphone prices remain same through out the whole year.

indyzzzz
Nov 13, 2012, 05:00 AM
Well, at least they started selling the i5 earlier in india. I remember when the ip4 was released, it took more than 6 months for Apple to start selling them officially in india. I knew folks who paid 2500$+ on the black market to get one :eek:

Lifequest
Nov 13, 2012, 07:51 AM
so... cell and data service is free in India then?

...ignorance

No, but it will be much cheaper than:
Total $1640USD (assuming $60/month +$200).
with no other option.

US customers actually pay more for their iPhones than both India and Australia.

It's FREE in Australia with a $60 contract.
or $799 ($831USD) unlocked- no contract.
Which is comparable to India's $836USD pricing. Thus indicating that India's pricing is more closely related to FREE+$60 contract (similar to Australia).

US customers are paying a $200 premium.

Good Karma
Nov 17, 2012, 06:18 PM
@Abs_p

All iPhone (release in India) so far are sold at price more than 700 $(base model price). There is lot of fluctuation in USD-INR exchange rate last three years. Thats why I came to magic figure of $700. I hope this makes it clear Also $836 is more than $700. :D

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just to add to it. These data plans are not in LTE or 3G technology offered in developed countries :mad:

is 3g and 4g/LTE available in India and what are their monthy charges in USD please ?

SWPROX
Nov 17, 2012, 08:38 PM
Oh look, another white guy who thinks he knows everything about just because he visited India once, for a wedding. Here is a little hint. He was a servant. Talk to someone who work in I.T or medical field. Last time I visited India, all I could see was iPhones and iPads.

Really bro-last time all you saw was only iPhones and iPads ! wow ! Am from New Delhi-so am Indian,don't go by that Canada moniker,I work in Canada-and to be honest,70% of the population survives below poverty line,AND what you talking about is the elite 1%,go check your facts-the per captia GDP of india is 1k$. And if you say it's cheap,so adjusting it to PPP it goes to just 3,000$ and you,if you are an Indian,you very well know the disparity which exists there.

saajan4
Dec 2, 2012, 10:48 AM
is 3g and 4g/LTE available in India and what are their monthy charges in USD please ?

8.2$ for 2GB of 3G data/month.
unfortunately 4G is not available in india.
whats the plan in US for 2GB of 3G data????