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onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 11:05 AM
EDIT: Mods, feel free to collapse this to the current massive Nexus 4 thread later on, if you wish.


According to Reddit, these are, yet unpublished, new benchmarks from Anandtech with new (but final?) Nexus 4 software. Not even sure what the benchmarks actually mean, but they fare much better http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/12rk7s/anandtech_have_run_new_nexus_4_benchmarks_which/

Here's the GLBenchmark post by Anandtech:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultsoflogin.jsp?login=anandtech&benchmark=glpro25

http://i.imgur.com/2c9H7.png

http://i.imgur.com/KxbX6.png


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And here's GSMArena's final battery test for the LG Optimus G:
http://st.gsmarena.com/pics/12/10/optimus-g-battery-test/gsmarena_002.jpg

I see where they get the 15.3 hour talk time from for the Nexus 4 now. Regarding the browser time, that's using LTE, I'm assuming. So without LTE, you lose some speed, but will gain battery longevity.



3bs
Nov 7, 2012, 11:23 AM
This is great news! Thanks for sharing. I'm seriously considering pre-ordering it from this website since I can't get it from the Play store in Ireland and who knows when the carriers will get it. http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=8177

strausd
Nov 7, 2012, 11:32 AM
Some big performance increases there, up to 81%, not bad. Will definitely be ordering this on Tuesday.

dalbir4444
Nov 7, 2012, 11:35 AM
This is great news. Does anyone know if the camera shoots videos at 30 fps or 24. The specs show it as 30, but the recording itself seems a bit choppy.

Jibbajabba
Nov 7, 2012, 11:43 AM
This is great news! Thanks for sharing. I'm seriously considering pre-ordering it from this website since I can't get it from the Play store in Ireland and who knows when the carriers will get it. http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=8177

Don't !! As the phone is subsidised by google (roughly 50%) - provider wont get it.

But why not ordering directly here:

http://google.co.uk/nexus/4

A LOT cheaper.

tjl3
Nov 7, 2012, 11:45 AM
https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266194787466616832

ChazUK
Nov 7, 2012, 11:52 AM
[/COLOR]And here's GSMArena's final battery test for the LG Optimus G:
Image (http://st.gsmarena.com/pics/12/10/optimus-g-battery-test/gsmarena_002.jpg)

I see where they get the 15.3 hour talk time from for the Nexus 4 now. Regarding the browser time, that's using LTE, I'm assuming. So without LTE, you lose some speed, but will gain battery longevity.

I have it on good authority that it's a fact that the battery life sucks on the Nexus 4.


The battery life sucks on the Nexus 4. Just a fact.

See. :p

Good to see improvements. :cool:

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 12:13 PM
https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266194787466616832

Yeah, not sure what that's about. Is thermal throttling something software can fix?

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This thermal throttling thing could be a deal breaker, as the LG Optimus G may have similar problems. It seems like the benchmarks would do fine if the phone wasn't overheating.

http://www.gadgetreview.com/2012/10/lg-optimus-g-first-impressions.html

Regarding the LG Optimus G:

"One potential issue for long-term use revolves around overheating. I thought it may one specific model, but both units tested had significant drops in benchmark performance after extended use and, more importantly, after getting extremely hot. I cooled the phones down and retested, and after a brief warm-up period they were back to benchmark-breaking numbers. It’s unclear as of yet whether that means thermal throttling is in place or if the phone just cannot dissipate heat well enough for the new CPU and GPU, but one thing is certain: performance drops significantly, from way over competition from phones like the HTC One X or Samsung Galaxy S III, to just under them both."

3bs
Nov 7, 2012, 12:14 PM
Don't !! As the phone is subsidised by google (roughly 50%) - provider wont get it.

But why not ordering directly here:

http://google.co.uk/nexus/4

A LOT cheaper.

The Republic of Ireland isn't part of the UK so I can't get it from there. Getting it from handtec is 70euro more expensive which isn't too bad. Who knows how much it'll cost to buy it up front from the carriers.

tjl3
Nov 7, 2012, 12:18 PM
Yeah, not sure what that's about. Is thermal throttling something software can fix?

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This thermal throttling thing could be a deal breaker, as the LG Optimus G may have similar problems. It seems like the benchmarks would do fine if the phone was overheating.

http://www.gadgetreview.com/2012/10/lg-optimus-g-first-impressions.html

Regarding the LG Optimus G:

"One potential issue for long-term use revolves around overheating. I thought it may one specific model, but both units tested had significant drops in benchmark performance after extended use and, more importantly, after getting extremely hot. I cooled the phones down and retested, and after a brief warm-up period they were back to benchmark-breaking numbers. Itís unclear as of yet whether that means thermal throttling is in place or if the phone just cannot dissipate heat well enough for the new CPU and GPU, but one thing is certain: performance drops significantly, from way over competition from phones like the HTC One X or Samsung Galaxy S III, to just under them both."

I'm sure they will have it all sorted out by release, I just thought I'd quick reply w/ that b/c that is spammed all over the comments in the post you linked.

I have mixed feelings about the release tho, it is poorly handled by Google on many fronts. It should have a full head of steam out of the gates, but there are so many mixed reviews, so many questions left unanswered. Would've loved to see their unveiling or at least a presentation from Google.

michaeljohn
Nov 7, 2012, 12:19 PM
Another meaningless benchmark. None of those phones have 1080p displays :rolleyes:

strausd
Nov 7, 2012, 12:20 PM
Another meaningless benchmark. None of those phones have 1080p displays :rolleyes:

Can't they be displayed on a TV though?

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 12:21 PM
I'm sure they will have it all sorted out by release, I just thought I'd quick reply w/ that b/c that is spammed all over the comments in the post you linked.

I have mixed feelings about the release tho, it is poorly handled by Google on many fronts. It should have a full head of steam out of the gates, but there are so many mixed reviews, so many questions left unanswered. Would've loved to see their unveiling or at least a presentation from Google.

Yep. Google fumbled the release big time. All this confusion is discouraging for early adopters.

Technarchy
Nov 7, 2012, 12:22 PM
Another meaningless benchmark. None of those phones have 1080p displays :rolleyes:

It's how you equalize performance metrics, where no device has a native resolution advantage.

And I'll wait for Anandtech to publish the results. As of right now they have a preview up, not final.

strausd
Nov 7, 2012, 12:23 PM
Yep. Google fumbled the release big time. All this confusion is discouraging for early adopters.

I think in general early adopters get it worst no matter what.

I got an iPad 3 when it came out. It was cool and all, but it was kind of laggy as the hardware felt insufficient for the screen. Same thing for the rMBP. Feels laggy doing just about anything on any web browser.

Starting to think gen 2 is always best.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 12:27 PM
I wasn't going to be an early adopter anyway, but the shocking price points had me considering it (I always said I was waiting for either a price drop or a 32GB version. Didn't think the "price drop" would come on day one).

Now, I'm back to waiting. And I don't blame anyone for feeling discouraged to adopt early. Google fumbled. They gave unfinished software (and hardware, apparently) to reviewers to generate hype with early reviews but it's blown up in their face.

The reviews are actually very good. In every measure, an upgrade from the Galaxy Nexus. In some cases, a stark upgrade. But the few blemishes are enough to wreck havoc with people's confidence.

Having said that, let's not forget Apple's own missteps with iPhone releases. Antennagate? Due to antennagate, Consumer Reports had to warn people against buying it. And this is "finished" hardware and software released to the public.

The 4S had battery issues too which required a software patch (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/panic-over-apple-confirms-iphone-4sios-5-battery-problem-promises-fix/15997). Again, the patch came post-release.

Apple recently released an update (again, post-release) for a battery fix with their Macs too (http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/os-x-lion-mountain-lion-updated-with-security-and-battery-life-fixes/). I know, I got the update on my Air.

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I think in general early adopters get it worst no matter what.



Precisely my point.

I guess it's good Google knows this now with pre-release software/hardware than later when it's out to the public. Google has an opportunity to fix this before release...

digital.l0gic
Nov 7, 2012, 12:38 PM
EDIT: Mods, feel free to collapse this to the current massive Nexus 4 thread later on, if you wish.


According to Reddit, these are, yet unpublished, new benchmarks from Anandtech with new (but final?) Nexus 4 software. Not even sure what the benchmarks actually mean, but they fare much better http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/12rk7s/anandtech_have_run_new_nexus_4_benchmarks_which/

Here's the GLBenchmark post by Anandtech:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultsoflogin.jsp?login=anandtech&benchmark=glpro25

Image (http://i.imgur.com/2c9H7.png)

Image (http://i.imgur.com/KxbX6.png)


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And here's GSMArena's final battery test for the LG Optimus G:
Image (http://st.gsmarena.com/pics/12/10/optimus-g-battery-test/gsmarena_002.jpg)

I see where they get the 15.3 hour talk time from for the Nexus 4 now. Regarding the browser time, that's using LTE, I'm assuming. So without LTE, you lose some speed, but will gain battery longevity.

31 FPS for 1080p!! this is unheard of!!

I knew it was a software issue...in fact some of the review sites had screenshots of the Nexus4 they were reviewing..and there was a "system update available" icon right there on the notification bar!.

a phone less than half the price of an iphone 5 beating it handily on performance.

Btw, a couple of weeks ago I had the chance to try the phone out (thanks to a Googler), and I can say it is probably the best designed phone I have handled. And yes..it feels much more natural on the hand than the Iphone 5 and the build is very solid. Amazingly ergonomic and the materiel prevents any slipping. It's an amazing phone. I'll get it in a heartbeat if not for the fact I have the GNex already.

Oh also (dont quote me on it) the Googler who allowed me to test the phone also mentioned that there is a "possibility" that there might be other variations (more storage, LTE..even though he didn't mention them explicitly)in the future. Imagine this phone with LTE! And also he mentioned that Google is looking for user feedback/suggestions.

PS: edited to add

The screen curves on the sides...and as the verge mentioned, its as if its melted. I found this an amazingly convenient thing as the side swipes on the phone are now effortless(In other phones the thumb would come into contact with the rigid side of the phone...however in the N4 the thumb just slides in due to the curve)

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 12:41 PM
31 FPS for 1080p!! this is unheard of!!

I knew it was a software issue...in fact some of the review sites had screenshots of the Nexus4 they were reviewing..and there was a "system update available" icon right there on the notification bar!.

a phone less than half the price of an iphone 5 beating it handily on performance.

Btw, a couple of weeks ago I had the chance to try the phone out (thanks to a Googler), and I can say it is probably the best designed phone I have handled. And yes..it feels much more natural on the hand than the Iphone 5 and the build is very solid. It's an amazing phone. I'll get it in a hearbeat if not for the fact I have the GNex already.

Oh also (dont quote me on it) the Googler who allowed me to test the phone also mentioned that there is a "possibility" that there might be other variations (more storage, LTE..even though he didn't mention them explicitly)in the future. Imagine this phone with LTE!


There was a rumor, also from a Googler, that said 32GB storage is coming later on.

There was also a rumor that carrier specific versions were coming later on too, with LTE in tow, I'd have to assume. Historically, Nexus devices go to the carriers later down the line ('cept for Tmobile). Wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be true.

nba1341
Nov 7, 2012, 12:43 PM
I'll end up getting one if my phone ever breaks since I am on T-mobile and on value plan

Hopefully a 32gb will be out sometime next year

dalbir4444
Nov 7, 2012, 12:44 PM
Here's another good review for those interested:

http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-nexus-4-review

digital.l0gic
Nov 7, 2012, 12:59 PM
There was a rumor, also from a Googler, that said 32GB storage is coming later on.

There was also a rumor that carrier specific versions were coming later on too, with LTE in tow, I'd have to assume. Historically, Nexus devices go to the carriers later down the line ('cept for Tmobile). Wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be true.

Oh also another rather shocking info i learned during that conversation was that the Android team initially only planned to release a 8gb version! :eek: The 16 GB version was only an afterthought as someone in the team supposedly said "some blogs are speculating 16 gb and 32 gb versions as well". Apparently the Android team keeps abreast of most tech blogs, and they are on the lookout for stuff people comment/want.

Hopefully if there is a big enough demand for 32 gb they might include it. And hopefully LTE too (one can wish :D)

PS: I asked "why the low storage options" and the answer I got was that Google wants people to store their data in the cloud. I pointed out that a lot of people have data caps on their phone plans and the Googler did accept (and this is when he mentioned the "future possibilities") that is a valid point

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Here's another good review for those interested:

http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-nexus-4-review

Great review! thanks for posting the link

sneaky butcher
Nov 7, 2012, 01:48 PM
hate to tell you guys but the reviewer did not get a software update.

The reviewer ran the benchmarks by putting the phone in a freezer! I **** you not.

the s4 pro soc by qualcomm looks like a POS. A complete and utter fail. Maybe they will make a rev2 to fix?

1. thermal throttling. Now i'm not sure if other chips do this but ive never heard of it. 1 review of the Optimus G noted the phone appeared to be throttling during playing some games which caused skips in the framerate. Very Worrying tbh. A beast chip that cant run full power for any length of time? oh dear

2. In reviews the nexus 4 battery life has been terrible almost half of iphone 5. The LG optimus G has this "eco mode". By enabling eco mode it appears to disable or down clock the cores on the gpu. It caused battery life to be increased by 5 fold. That's an LG feature and they say because nexus 4 is pure google you wont get that feature on it.

so by the looks of things qualcomm has produce a new beast chip which has terrible battery life and cant run flat out for any period of time. If this isnt fixed lg/google can ram their nexus tbh. And i really wanted one

Asus padfone 2 also uses this chip. Be very interested if it suffers the same issues

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 01:59 PM
Yup. Bad turn of events for the Nexus 4. This thermal throttling thing can be a huge problem.

Could be Google's "antennagate." Thermalgate.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 02:10 PM
Here's another good review for those interested:

http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-nexus-4-review


Really happy to read that the speaker quality is better than the GN.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 02:38 PM
The mods should probably combine this thread with the Nexus 4 - Official thread.

strausd
Nov 7, 2012, 02:44 PM
Can't you just root it and get an app to downclock the CPU?

daveathall
Nov 7, 2012, 02:53 PM
Must admit that I don't understand half of the things said, IMHO every review I have read have been favourable, so sod it, I'm gonna be one of the early one's and order on the day of release.

LTE isn't wide spread here, I dont need more than 16GB of storage, and I am close to areas where I can charge my phone throughout the day, I will not carry a freezer around in my backpack though.

If I dont like it I will sell it, if I do like it I will sell my S3.

F123D
Nov 7, 2012, 03:02 PM
The reviewer ran the benchmarks by putting the phone in a freezer! I **** you not.

Where'd you see this?

hyteckit
Nov 7, 2012, 03:23 PM
See. :p

Good to see improvements. :cool:


What improvements in battery life?

Nexus 4 has sucky battery life.
LG Optimus G has sucky battery life.

From GSM Arena:

Web Browsing

iPhone 5: 9:56
LG Optimus G: 5:15

Video Playback

iPhone 5: 10:12
LG Optimus G: 7:16


http://st.gsmarena.com/pics/12/10/optimus-g-battery-test/gsmarena_002.jpg

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 03:26 PM
Can't you just root it and get an app to downclock the CPU?

Probably. But that would be sad to have to do that. I'm not purchasing a device that isn't supposed to work the way it's supposed to work.

The one advantage of all this is that Google has the opportunity to fix this before release.

strausd
Nov 7, 2012, 03:29 PM
The one advantage of all this is that Google has the opportunity to fix this before release.

Not if it is an actual problem with the CPU, like with what is being reported with the Optimus G.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 03:34 PM
I wasn't going to be an early adopter anyway, but now I'm waiting for a whole different reason. If none of this gets sorted up, I'm going to get an iPhone 5.


PSYCH.

Except for the camera, I'm happy to stay with the GN.

daveathall
Nov 7, 2012, 03:41 PM
I am not that technically gifted but on what review are these damning reports? I ask the question because I don't know the answer not to start an argument.

From what I can see, someone put it in a freezer and suddenly it becomes a bad phone.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 03:44 PM
What improvements in battery life?

Nexus 4 has sucky battery life.
LG Optimus G has sucky battery life.



I wonder if you were this vocal about iPhone 4S' battery problems, or antennagate, or the Mac's battery problems when they had it. Are you this vocal about Apple Maps?

I wonder, I wonder.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/panic-over-apple-confirms-iphone-4sios-5-battery-problem-promises-fix/15997

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/os-x-lion-mountain-lion-updated-with-security-and-battery-life-fixes/

And both of these fixes came from Apple post-release. After "finalized" hardware/software.

With Google, at least they're discovering these problems pre-release. They have the opportunity to potentially fix this before it gets to the hands of people. But what do you care, right? You've made up your mind already, I gather, probably long before any of these reports came out.

Irishman
Nov 7, 2012, 03:44 PM
31 FPS for 1080p!! this is unheard of!!

I knew it was a software issue...in fact some of the review sites had screenshots of the Nexus4 they were reviewing..and there was a "system update available" icon right there on the notification bar!.

a phone less than half the price of an iphone 5 beating it handily on performance.

Btw, a couple of weeks ago I had the chance to try the phone out (thanks to a Googler), and I can say it is probably the best designed phone I have handled. And yes..it feels much more natural on the hand than the Iphone 5 and the build is very solid. Amazingly ergonomic and the materiel prevents any slipping. It's an amazing phone. I'll get it in a heartbeat if not for the fact I have the GNex already.

Oh also (dont quote me on it) the Googler who allowed me to test the phone also mentioned that there is a "possibility" that there might be other variations (more storage, LTE..even though he didn't mention them explicitly)in the future. Imagine this phone with LTE! And also he mentioned that Google is looking for user feedback/suggestions.

PS: edited to add

The screen curves on the sides...and as the verge mentioned, its as if its melted. I found this an amazingly convenient thing as the side swipes on the phone are now effortless(In other phones the thumb would come into contact with the rigid side of the phone...however in the N4 the thumb just slides in due to the curve)

4-5 fps difference on the Egypt HD benchmark is hardly beating it handily.

It's certainly not a difference you'd notice, if it were even a game you could play.

mcman77
Nov 7, 2012, 03:51 PM
Regarding the browser time, that's using LTE, I'm assuming.

I'm pretty sure that gsmarena are folks from the UK, so there is no LTE here.

This is great news. Does anyone know if the camera shoots videos at 30 fps or 24. The specs show it as 30, but the recording itself seems a bit choppy.

Reviews claim 22fps

There was a rumor, also from a Googler, that said 32GB storage is coming later on.

I don't see how a 32gb will be coming as that is what differentiates it to LGs flagship phone (also LTE + expandable storage). But if it does come out I'm sure it will be round the time the GS4 will be released making it somewhat unattractive.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 04:03 PM
I don't see how a 32gb will be coming as that is what differentiates it to LGs flagship phone (also LTE + expandable storage). But if it does come out I'm sure it will be round the time the GS4 will be released making it somewhat unattractive.

That's a very valid point about the S4, unless you care about stock Android and direct updates from Google.

But regardless, now, instead of waiting for a potential 32gb, I'm waiting mainly to see if this thermal throttling issue, whatever it is, can be resolved.

Otherwise, Galaxy Nexus until Nexus 2013.

mcman77
Nov 7, 2012, 04:30 PM
That's a very valid point about the S4, unless you care about stock Android and direct updates from Google.

But regardless, now, instead of waiting for a potential 32gb, I'm waiting mainly to see if this thermal throttling issue, whatever it is, can be resolved.

Otherwise, Galaxy Nexus until Nexus 2013.

How long do cyanogen mods take to be released after google I/O's??

I really wonder if there will be a 32gb version. There wasn't with the Galaxy Nexus.

I don't think the throttling issues are anything to worry about, there are many phones running quadcore s4s that will soon be released and I do think manufacturers tested them prior to purchase.

Frankied22
Nov 7, 2012, 04:44 PM
I don't really care about these tests. I will find out for myself when I receive mine. By the way, does anyone have any idea how long it will take for Google to ship the phones to customers who purchase it on Tuesday? 3 days?

blackhand1001
Nov 7, 2012, 04:46 PM
Can't wait to see new nexus 10 benchmarks. It clearly affected that as well.

THE JUICEMAN
Nov 7, 2012, 05:05 PM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpwg4u0i0cm96g6/2012-11-07%2018.02.53.png

LG Optimus G says I can't turn up the brightness because the temperature is too high?? I've never heard of this.


Just took this picture in a AT&T store. This is not good. Why didn't any of the reviews mention the over heating issue??

Seiga
Nov 7, 2012, 05:05 PM
Image (https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpwg4u0i0cm96g6/2012-11-07%2018.02.53.png)

Just took this picture in a AT&T store. This is not good. Why didn't any of the reviews mention the over heating issue??

Broken photo link.

THE JUICEMAN
Nov 7, 2012, 05:24 PM
Broken photo link.

Fixed

3bs
Nov 7, 2012, 05:35 PM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpwg4u0i0cm96g6/2012-11-07%2018.02.53.png

LG Optimus G says I can't turn up the brightness because the temperature is too high?? I've never heard of this.


Just took this picture in a AT&T store. This is not good. Why didn't any of the reviews mention the over heating issue??

What the

F123D
Nov 7, 2012, 05:52 PM
What were you doing with the phone? Just browsing and swiping around?

cynics
Nov 7, 2012, 06:04 PM
Thermal throttling has been around for eons. Put it this way.....the S3 does it. Even the Tegra 2 found in the old Xoom does it. CPU will drop in steps with temperature then will finally shut itself off if heat continues to increase. I remember reading an issue that devs could see with the Galaxy Nexus thermal throttling. Never heard much from end users.

http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=158575

I'm sure the iPhone does it too. I've left mine in a hot car and returned to the overheat message. I'm not sure if it throttles but more then likely, then it will shut down at its high temp limit.

If there is an issue its not due to thermal throttling its due to excessive heat causing the CPU to throttle. I think we'll really need to until we actually get an end product review as far as the N4 goes. Software can fix this maybe easily or maybe more aggressively (lowering clock speed).

THE JUICEMAN
Nov 7, 2012, 06:29 PM
What were you doing with the phone? Just browsing and swiping around?

I did a little browsing then went to settings to try to turn the brightness up. That's all.

F123D
Nov 7, 2012, 07:03 PM
Thermal throttling has been around for eons.

Yeah, I've seen it happen with others peoples iphones a couple times on this forum before. However, it was due to excessive heat like accidently leaving in a car. Im not sure it should happen while just browsing the internet?

jsw
Nov 7, 2012, 07:17 PM
I realize that there are issues, but I've been safely parked in the lee of technology for a while, and it's time to ride the bleeding edge again for a bit.

If I can get a 4 to me before Nov 21, I will buy one. If not, I will wait. I just wish I knew when Play would begin offering them (as in, the exact time EST, not "Nov 13").

cynics
Nov 7, 2012, 07:23 PM
Yeah, I've seen it happen with others peoples iphones a couple times on this forum before. However, it was due to excessive heat like accidently leaving in a car. Im not sure it should happen while just browsing the internet?

Its hard to say how much an idevice is throttled. Likely not much since they generally stay cool.

But I imagine its the same way as the S3. It works in steps up to a scolding 120c when it shuts down.

But no, it should be very difficult to NOTICE thermal throttling when doing random trivial task like browsing the web. And typically its the battery that will get hot in a device from excessive draining, not the CPU.

hyteckit
Nov 7, 2012, 07:56 PM
I wonder if you were this vocal about iPhone 4S' battery problems, or antennagate, or the Mac's battery problems when they had it. Are you this vocal about Apple Maps?

I wonder, I wonder.


I love Apple Maps.

I just use Siri voice command and Apple Maps navigate me to it.

I ask Siri for the newest location to a store and it navigates me to it.

Never had a problem with Apple maps. Was more accurate than Navigon software I was using. Lot more convenient too.

Maybe I should be more vocal about my love for Apple Maps.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 08:05 PM
I love Apple Maps.

I just use Siri voice command and Apple Maps navigate me to it.

I ask Siri for the newest location to a store and it navigates me to it.

Never had a problem with Apple maps. Was more accurate than Navigon software I was using. Lot more convenient too.

Maybe I should be more vocal about my love for Apple Maps.


Of course.

jsw
Nov 7, 2012, 08:09 PM
I just wish I knew when Play would begin offering them (as in, the exact time EST, not "Nov 13").
This might not be the best way to go about it, but every 5 minutes, my Mac will check to see if the Nexus 4 page contains "Coming Soon" and, if not, it'll email and text me the link to buy one.

It might not work, but it's a decent fail-safe.

hyteckit
Nov 7, 2012, 08:14 PM
Of course.

Still in denial that the Nexus 4 has bad battery life?

Keep the faith. ;)

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 08:18 PM
Still in denial that the Nexus 4 has bad battery life?

Keep the faith. ;)


This thermal throttling thing could be a deal breaker

Yep. Google fumbled the release big time. All this confusion is discouraging for early adopters.

Yup. Bad turn of events for the Nexus 4. This thermal throttling thing can be a huge problem.

Could be Google's "antennagate." Thermalgate.

Probably. But that would be sad to have to do that. I'm not purchasing a device that isn't supposed to work the way it's supposed to work.

now, instead of waiting for a potential 32gb, I'm waiting mainly to see if this thermal throttling issue, whatever it is, can be resolved.

Otherwise, Galaxy Nexus until Nexus 2013.


The way you make up your mind about products, I'm not surprised you've already made up your mind about people too.

dalbir4444
Nov 7, 2012, 08:25 PM
There's a podcast up on Anandtech's site for the nexus devices. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6438/the-anandtech-podcast-episode-9

ReanimationN
Nov 7, 2012, 08:27 PM
If these benchmarks are true (which they probably are), then Google has ruined themselves with this launch. Why not hold the pre-release testing units back until they had a more finalised version of the software ready to go? Now people who have been following the reviews aren't going to be feeling very confident about it and will probably go for whatever other device they were considering.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 09:00 PM
There's a podcast up on Anandtech's site for the nexus devices. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6438/the-anandtech-podcast-episode-9

The heck. They do nothing but praise the Nexus 4 in the podcast. They barely mention the "throttling" issue and when they did, they downplayed it. "Not something I'd be worried about..." It's like mentioned for a few seconds.

:confused:

EDIT: They're also praising Jelly Bean like crazy. They're singing about it. Especially Google Now, which they say puts Siri to shame.

dalbir4444
Nov 7, 2012, 09:07 PM
The heck. They do nothing but praise the Nexus 4 in the podcast. They barely mention the "throttling" issue and when they did, they downplayed it. "Not something I'd be worried about..." It's like mentioned for a few seconds.

Yeah, from what Brian was saying, this sounds like a great phone. I'm looking forward to their full review. My Galaxy S2 has been running quite well but I think it's time for me to get a Nexus device.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 09:19 PM
Yeah, from what Brian was saying, this sounds like a great phone. I'm looking forward to their full review. My Galaxy S2 has been running quite well but I think it's time for me to get a Nexus device.

Yeah, they spent like 20 minutes doing nothing but praising the device. I was waiting and waiting for them to get to the dreadful throttling issue, and it was mentioned for 5 seconds. Followed by Brian saying "Not something I'd worry about." Then they went on to praise Jelly Bean like crazy, how Google Now owns Siri.

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If these benchmarks are true (which they probably are), then Google has ruined themselves with this launch. Why not hold the pre-release testing units back until they had a more finalised version of the software ready to go? Now people who have been following the reviews aren't going to be feeling very confident about it and will probably go for whatever other device they were considering.

Ruined themselves? Drama, much?

Let's see, did Apple ruin themselves with antennagate? Or with the iPhone 4S' battery issues (which came, remember, post-release. In others, after "finalized" hardware/software) and which took multiple updates to fix? Or with their battery issues with OSX on Macs (I, myself, got the update to my Air for that fix back in September)?

There's probably a myriad of other launch issues from Apple, and other companies (the Galaxy Nexus had a crazy volume bug). Why are you shocked that the same isn't happening with the Nexus 4?

The difference here is Google is discovering this stuff with pre-released units. They have an opportunity to fix it before launch. If you go over to Matias' Google+ profile, believe me, people are letting them know. If they can sort out this mess, the Nexus 4 has a great chance to still be successful (as successful as Nexus smartphones can be...). If not, the Nexus 4 will tank, but I somehow don't see Google "ruining themselves."

cynics
Nov 7, 2012, 09:23 PM
Yeah, they spent like 20 minutes doing nothing but praising the device. I was waiting and waiting for them to get to the dreadful throttling issue, and it was mentioned for 5 seconds. Followed by Brian saying "Not something I'd worry about." Then they went on to praise Jelly Bean like crazy, how Google Now owns Siri.

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Ruined themselves? Drama, much?

Let's see, did Apple ruin themselves with antennagate? Or with the iPhone 4S' battery issues (which came, remember, post-release. In others, after "finalized" hardware/software) and which took multiple updates to fix? Or with their battery issues with OSX on Macs (I, myself, got the update to my Air for that fix back in September)?

There's probably a myriad of other launch issues from Apple, and other companies (the Galaxy Nexus had a crazy volume bug). Why are you shocked that the same isn't happening with the Nexus 4?

The difference here is Google is discovering this stuff with pre-released units. They have an opportunity to fix it before launch. If you go over to Matias' Google+ profile, believe me, people are letting them know. If they can sort out this mess, the Nexus 4 has a great chance to still be successful (as successful as Nexus smartphones can be...). If not, the Nexus 4 will tank, but I somehow don't see Google being ruined.

Listen from 48 minutes until the Nexus 10 part. He talks about it throttling for a bit.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 09:32 PM
Listen from 48 minutes until the Nexus 10 part. He talks about it throttling for a bit.

Ah, I thought that was about the Nexus 10 only.

But it still sounds like it's being downplayed. He also explains how it's software related, which leads me to believe it's something Google can fix.

Or am I understanding it all wrong?

ReanimationN
Nov 7, 2012, 09:42 PM
Ruined themselves? Drama, much?
All I'm saying is it was stupid of them to send their review units of their new flagship device out in that state, they could have avoided such reviews by holding them back just a bit longer.
Let's see, did Apple ruin themselves with antennagate? Or with the iPhone 4S' battery issues (which came, remember, post-release. In others, after "finalized" hardware/software) and which took multiple updates to fix? Or with their battery issues with OSX on Macs (I, myself, got the update to my Air for that fix back in September)?

There's probably a myriad of other launch issues from Apple, and other companies (the Galaxy Nexus had a crazy volume bug). Why are you shocked that the same isn't happening with the Nexus 4?

At least Google is discovering this stuff with pre-released units. They have an opportunity to fix it before launch. If you go over to Matias' Google+ profile, believe me, people are letting them know.
Apple wasn't trying to establish their brand as a major player in the market at that stage, that work had already been done- that's the stage Google is at, at the moment. They can't afford PR gaffes when they're competing against the likes of better known, well reviewed devices such as the Galaxy line and the iPhone.

And yes, Apple did stuff up badly with the iPhone 4, 4S and 5 and took the appropriate PR hit for not getting it right. I know plenty of people who held off from upgrading to each new iPhone line after reading about each one's issues. Of course, plenty of people upgraded regardless, such is Apple's power. The difference is Apple have been well established for a while in the mobile market whereas Google's Nexus line has struggled (not Android, the Nexus line). Google wants the Nexus line to become more prominent and more popular, having their flagship device receive comments about poor battery life etc isn't the way to begin that.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 09:44 PM
All I'm saying is it was stupid of them to send their review units of their new flagship device out in that state, they could have avoided such reviews by holding them back just a bit longer.

Apple wasn't trying to establish their brand as a major player in the market at that stage, that work had already been done- that's the stage Google is at, at the moment. They can't afford PR gaffes when they're competing against the likes of better known, well reviewed devices such as the Galaxy line and the iPhone.

And yes, Apple did stuff up badly with the iPhone 4, 4S and 5 and took the appropriate PR hit for not getting it right. I know plenty of people who held off from upgrading to each new iPhone line after reading about each one's issues. Of course, plenty of people upgraded regardless, such is Apple's power. The difference is Apple have been well established for a while in the mobile market whereas Google's Nexus line has struggled (not Android, the Nexus line). Google wants the Nexus line to become more prominent and more popular, having their flagship device receive comments about poor battery life etc isn't the way to begin that.

100% agree, for once.

The only thing I'd add is, Google has an opportunity to fix this before actual release date. If they can, it'll be a good thing they discovered it pre-release, as opposed to post-release, as was the case with those iPhone problems.

flopticalcube
Nov 7, 2012, 09:49 PM
Ah, I thought that was about the Nexus 10 only.

But it still sounds like it's being downplayed. He also explains how it's software related, which leads me to believe it's something Google can fix.

Or am I understanding it all wrong?

He indicated that he thought it was throttling a little too early. It took the CPU down to 1.2 from 1.5GHz so 20%. Not a huge issue, IMO.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 09:51 PM
He indicated that he thought it was throttling a little too early. It took the CPU down to 1.2 from 1.5GHz so 20%. Not a huge issue, IMO.

Help me understand what throttling means.

So when the device gets hot, the CPU throttles down (in this case, from 1.5 to 1.2) to prevent more heating? A safety measure, so to speak? And as a result of lowering the CPU, those benchmarks perform worse. Right?

So is the big issue and mystery with the Nexus 4 why the device is getting hot in the first place?

flopticalcube
Nov 7, 2012, 09:55 PM
Help me understand what throttling means.

So when the device gets hot, the CPU throttles down (in this case, from 1.5 to 1.2) to prevent more heating? A safety measure, so to speak? And as a result of lowering the CPU, those benchmarks perform worse. Right?

So is the big issue and mystery with the Nexus 4 why the device is getting hot in the first place?

Correct. He seemed to indicate it was no worse than other high-end phones. In fact, he thought it started to throttle a little too early (when it was still relatively cool).

jsw
Nov 7, 2012, 10:05 PM
All I'm saying is it was stupid of them to send their review units of their new flagship device out in that state, they could have avoided such reviews by holding them back just a bit longer.

Apple wasn't trying to establish their brand as a major player in the market at that stage, that work had already been done- that's the stage Google is at, at the moment. They can't afford PR gaffes when they're competing against the likes of better known, well reviewed devices such as the Galaxy line and the iPhone.
I don't quite agree. I do understand where you're coming from, but I don't see it quite that way.

By no account is Google making money off these, and by many accounts they're losing a far bit on each one. So... I'm not sure they're trying to sell as many as possible. I think they were aware of the issues in the review units and intentionally wanted what they're getting: generally favorable reviews, but with a few "issues" to make sure there's not an insane push to buy them right off the bat.

The battery life is fixable. The throttling is fixable. But those things, and the "ZOMG NO LTE!!!!1!!1BBQ" issue, will temper consumer demand initially. Developers will buy them anyway. Tech geeks will buy them. But there won't be a crazy rush.

Over time, reviews will be even more favorable, but the lack of LTE and the 16GB cap will keep sales down - which is fine, because Google's losing money on these.

Then, you'll see 32GB and 64GB provider versions (some/many with LTE) which aren't for sale on Play and which require a contract (because Google will charge the providers more for them), and people will buy them.

Google will stop losing money, people will like the phones, which will see a few software revs due to feedback from those who bought them initially, and everybody will be happy.

onthecouchagain
Nov 7, 2012, 10:12 PM
I don't quite agree. I do understand where you're coming from, but I don't see it quite that way.

By no account is Google making money off these, and by many accounts they're losing a far bit on each one. So... I'm not sure they're trying to sell as many as possible. I think they were aware of the issues in the review units and intentionally wanted what they're getting: generally favorable reviews, but with a few "issues" to make sure there's not an insane push to buy them right off the bat.

The battery life is fixable. The throttling is fixable. But those things, and the "ZOMG NO LTE!!!!1!!1BBQ" issue, will temper consumer demand initially. Developers will buy them anyway. Tech geeks will buy them. But there won't be a crazy rush.

Over time, reviews will be even more favorable, but the lack of LTE and the 16GB cap will keep sales down - which is fine, because Google's losing money on these.

Then, you'll see 32GB and 64GB provider versions (some/many with LTE) which aren't for sale on Play and which require a contract (because Google will charge the providers more for them), and people will buy them.

Google will stop losing money, people will like the phones, which will see a few software revs due to feedback from those who bought them initially, and everybody will be happy.


http://i.imgur.com/UmpOi.gif

+1 for you.

Grolubao
Nov 8, 2012, 12:16 AM
I think Google really needs to work on their retail business. Here in the Netherlands, essentially you can't buy it online, which means that instead of 350Ä you'll have to pay 600Ä in a store. No way I'm going to shell double the price for the same device.

Jibbajabba
Nov 8, 2012, 03:44 AM
The Republic of Ireland isn't part of the UK so I can't get it from there. Getting it from handtec is 70euro more expensive which isn't too bad. Who knows how much it'll cost to buy it up front from the carriers.

lol - I know that - lived 10 years in Blanchardstown / Dublin 15 :p

I just assumed Google ships to Ireland too

THE JUICEMAN
Nov 8, 2012, 08:55 AM
Just FYI the Engadget mobile podcast from a few days ago the senior editor Miriam(sp?) was signing the nexus 4's praises to to MAXX (yes razr HD MAXX lol). She was going on and on and on for over an hour about how it's the best phone ever made. Down played the battery and benchmark problems to the upcoming software update and really gives a strong opinion on how she feels about carriers. It's a good listen and really really really gives a positive view of the Nexus 4. In case you need it ;-)

http://m.engadget.com/2012/11/07/engadget-mobile-podcast-157-11-07-2012/?icid=m_eng_latest_art

3bs
Nov 8, 2012, 09:57 AM
lol - I know that - lived 10 years in Blanchardstown / Dublin 15 :p

I just assumed Google ships to Ireland too

Oh :p

No I wish they did.

Elit3
Nov 9, 2012, 10:06 PM
This is great news! Thanks for sharing. I'm seriously considering pre-ordering it from this website since I can't get it from the Play store in Ireland and who knows when the carriers will get it. http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=8177

Sorry, carriers aren't getting it :( maybe wait till it is on eBay or something brand new

3bs
Nov 10, 2012, 04:16 AM
Sorry, carriers aren't getting it :( maybe wait till it is on eBay or something brand new

It's hard to believe the carriers won't be getting it at all. I pre-ordered it from handtec anyway. I'll find out when it arrives next week.

mcman77
Nov 10, 2012, 06:45 AM
I don't quite agree. I do understand where you're coming from, but I don't see it quite that way.

By no account is Google making money off these, and by many accounts they're losing a far bit on each one. So... I'm not sure they're trying to sell as many as possible. I think they were aware of the issues in the review units and intentionally wanted what they're getting: generally favorable reviews, but with a few "issues" to make sure there's not an insane push to buy them right off the bat.

The battery life is fixable. The throttling is fixable. But those things, and the "ZOMG NO LTE!!!!1!!1BBQ" issue, will temper consumer demand initially. Developers will buy them anyway. Tech geeks will buy them. But there won't be a crazy rush.

Over time, reviews will be even more favorable, but the lack of LTE and the 16GB cap will keep sales down - which is fine, because Google's losing money on these.

Then, you'll see 32GB and 64GB provider versions (some/many with LTE) which aren't for sale on Play and which require a contract (because Google will charge the providers more for them), and people will buy them.

Google will stop losing money, people will like the phones, which will see a few software revs due to feedback from those who bought them initially, and everybody will be happy.

well said but I have to disagree.

You're telling me that this nexus 4 is costing more than £279 16gb ($444) to produce?

If anything Google is making a profit on the hardware (small mark-up considering other company profit margins) and they are making money through their services.

What ever happend to the Google makes $15 per gmail account? (estimated revenue potential customers will generate just by using gmail)

Google wouldn't pay you to buy their phone...

If you look around you can find out actual price costs of phones. I know its an estimation cause when producing such high volume numbers the price will change. There is no way that this nexus 4 costs that much per unit let alone Google making a Loss on each device!

THE JUICEMAN
Nov 10, 2012, 08:24 AM
well said but I have to disagree.

You're telling me that this nexus 4 is costing more than £279 16gb ($444) to produce?

If anything Google is making a profit on the hardware (small mark-up considering other company profit margins) and they are making money through their services.

What ever happend to the Google makes $15 per gmail account? (estimated revenue potential customers will generate just by using gmail)

Google wouldn't pay you to buy their phone...

If you look around you can find out actual price costs of phones. I know its an estimation cause when producing such high volume numbers the price will change. There is no way that this nexus 4 costs that much per unit let alone Google making a Loss on each device!

LG is selling the phone for twice as much as Google. This had made people speculate that google is taking a hit or subsidizing the phones. I personally think they are subsidizing because they know if they get these is the hands of a lot of people they will make up the money with ad revenue.

cynics
Nov 10, 2012, 08:54 AM
LG is selling the phone for twice as much as Google. This had made people speculate that google is taking a hit or subsidizing the phones. I personally think they are subsidizing because they know if they get these is the hands of a lot of people they will make up the money with ad revenue.

That is probably true they would most certainly prefer if you used their services.

But don't forget apple does ad tracking anyway maybe to not the extent but its still there.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/10/vuma3e3a.jpg

You can "limit" it though!

jsw
Nov 10, 2012, 09:09 AM
You're telling me that this nexus 4 is costing more than £279 16gb ($444) to produce?
As mentioned, it's $299 here in the States, and that's including costs of manufacturing, design, development, warranty coverage, and so on.

THE JUICEMAN
Nov 10, 2012, 09:50 AM
That is probably true they would most certainly prefer if you used their services.

But don't forget apple does ad tracking anyway maybe to not the extent but its still there.

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/10/vuma3e3a.jpg)

You can "limit" it though!

Lol I know apple does too! Not denying that!

cynics
Nov 10, 2012, 10:30 AM
Lol I know apple does too! Not denying that!

Of course.

But if you are choosing the lesser of two evils why not at not getting ripped by a 50% profit margin? I could never understand buying an unsubsidized iPhones.

flopticalcube
Nov 10, 2012, 10:33 AM
You're telling me that this nexus 4 is costing more than £279 16gb ($444) to produce?


Don't forget to subtract VAT from that price as the Google Play store prices are VAT inclusive. Google or LG or both are almost certainly loosing on every phone. I'm a bit annoyed that they don't throw in free shipping like Apple.