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Nov 7, 2012, 11:32 AM
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Microsoft has released an upgrade to its Xbox Live (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/07/official-xbox-live-app-hits-the-ipad-and-iphone/) app, changing the name to Xbox SmartGlass and dramatically expanding its functionality. Microsoft announced SmartGlass (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/smartglass) earlier this year, aiming to turn a mobile phone or tablet into a second screen to compliment Xbox content.

It allows Xbox owners to remotely control their media, navigate through the Xbox dashboard, and more -- including the ability to use the iPhone's keyboard to type messages on the Xbox. SmartGlass has deeper functionality (http://toucharcade.com/2012/11/06/xbox-smartglass-arrives-on-ios-as-update-to-my-xbox-live-app/) as well:
More exciting than this beefed-up interaction with the Xbox Live service itself is that Xbox SmartGlass is also "smart" enough to recognize when you're playing certain Xbox 360 games that offer additional content, and will display said content on your iOS device giving you that "second screen" enhanced experience that seems to be all the buzz as of late.NBGkSuaqWEE
Xbox SmartGlass is a free download (http://appshopper.com/games/my-xbox-live) for iPhone and iPad. [Direct Link (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xbox-smartglass/id480914036?mt=8)]

Article Link: Microsoft Releases 'Xbox SmartGlass' for iPhone and iPad (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/07/microsoft-releases-xbox-smartglass-for-iphone-and-ipad/)



DavidLeblond
Nov 7, 2012, 11:33 AM
Not sized to the iPhone 5... really, Microsoft?:rolleyes:

spiderman0616
Nov 7, 2012, 11:40 AM
I tried it last night. It's kind of just a glorified remote control for the Xbox. Reminds me of using the Apple Remote app on my Apple TV.

HOWEVER, I will give MS a kudos for actually designing a good app. It is annoying that it is not sized to the iPhone 5 screen, but on the iPad, it looks, feels, and even sounds excellent. This is how apps should be made. Nice and simple, responsive, clean.

Lukkee24
Nov 7, 2012, 11:48 AM
So glad you can use your iPhone/iPad to type messages on Xbox, hate using the on screen keyboard on the Xbox - just takes way longer than it should to type something.

dwhittington
Nov 7, 2012, 11:50 AM
There's a product name that's begging to be played with.

dearfriendx
Nov 7, 2012, 11:52 AM
Just watched the video. I don't think they changed the landscape on watching sports. You can choose who wins with a slider then compare with Xbox Live buddies. You can also do this by thinking of who's gonna win in your head...then texting your friend during and after game about who won. AMAZING.

ollyb
Nov 7, 2012, 11:52 AM
Started off by thinking "Just an Airplay clone", but I like having the idea of having the meta info on your small screen, while the main feature is on the big screen.

Kinda reminds me of the Keynote remote for iOS, but with the scope to be useful to more people.

ArtOfWarfare
Nov 7, 2012, 12:02 PM
And Nintendo has lost.

Microsoft didn't even need to release a new console, just an app. Kind of funny how easily the threat of the Wii U has been brushed aside.

I expect Nintendo to announce that they're exiting the hardware market and will be focusing exclusively on releasing games. Or maybe they'll be able to strike a deal with Microsoft or Sony allowing them to be an official accessory partner or something (so that Nintendo can continue making their games have new and unique interactions without Nintendo having to make the entire console themselves.)

thefourthpope
Nov 7, 2012, 12:06 PM
I'm excited for this update. Looks like they added some good options. Even the limited functionality of the first release was nice.

Joe-Diver
Nov 7, 2012, 12:09 PM
If this would work on my 17" MBP......for me personally would be the killer app to compliment my 360. I love my 360 and it's a key part of my entertainment center.

BTW....Halo4 for FTW...played through first chapter last night with my buddy....friggan awesome....

knewsom
Nov 7, 2012, 12:11 PM
If only Sony woul take a cue on this one...

mrgraff
Nov 7, 2012, 12:18 PM
"SmartGlass" would've been a cool name for their Surface tablet.

throwaway2012
Nov 7, 2012, 12:24 PM
I don't think this will ever come close to being as efficient as just using the controller.

abhishake
Nov 7, 2012, 12:35 PM
This looks cool. Apple needs to step their design up ASAP.

jpix55
Nov 7, 2012, 12:39 PM
I don't think this will ever come close to being as efficient as just using the controller.

I think you're missing the whole point. SmartGlass does not replace the controller, it adds an extra dimension to using media on a 360. Kinda like airplay, but better.

As far as efficiency, how long does it take you to type something with the onscreen keyboard inputting one character at a time? A virtual keyboard on a phone/tablet is much more efficient in that regard.

Geckotek
Nov 7, 2012, 12:52 PM
If this would work on my 17" MBP......for me personally would be the killer app to compliment my 360. I love my 360 and it's a key part of my entertainment center.

BTW....Halo4 for FTW...played through first chapter last night with my buddy....friggan awesome....

I really don't see the 17" MBP as a couch companion like I do my iPad. Even my 13" Vaio was a bit bulky from time to time.

I don't think this will ever come close to being as efficient as just using the controller.

For those of use that are controller challenged, this is a life-saver.

enkadrummer88
Nov 7, 2012, 12:55 PM
There's a product name that's begging to be played with.

Don't be such a SmartGlass.

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From the looks of it, Microsoft is doing AirPlay better than Apple.

JDee
Nov 7, 2012, 01:16 PM
This looks cool. Apple needs to step their design up ASAP.

What's Apple got to do with it? :S

Intarweb
Nov 7, 2012, 01:16 PM
Navigating to porn sites through the Xbox is so much easier now.

iMacFarlane
Nov 7, 2012, 01:17 PM
Couldn't leave without posting a SmartGlass comment. :p

Can't wait to try this out. We watch a ton of ripped DVD's from a USB connected HDD on the 360. Sure, controller works, but it's a little bit of a pain to wake it up after each show, wait for it to connect, then select a new show.

Also agree about the Wii U someone posted above. I am a long, long time supporter of Nintendo. I tried a Wii U at a local GameStop, and I felt very sad afterwards. Sad! I'm playing RayMan on a huge, HD display, and forced to constantly look away from it to a tiny, low res, washed out tablet screen with tiny graphics on it? Fail.

ironsienna
Nov 7, 2012, 01:19 PM
"It's recommending other artists I may like, because I am listening to Maroon5"

I guess then this silly thing only works with Maroon5...

Shame on you Microsoft, Maroon5 funboys!

GenesisST
Nov 7, 2012, 01:25 PM
Not sized to the iPhone 5... really, Microsoft?:rolleyes:

We'll survive, it is not as bad as an iPhone app on an iPad.

I'm working on a soon to be released app and my customer didn't even want to support it at this time. I branched of and implemented it pro-bono, mainly for my own sake, since I was about to buy one. My customer liked it and it is now part of the build.

But, our app was likely easier than smartglass. We are mostly list based.

donrsd
Nov 7, 2012, 01:52 PM
And Nintendo has lost.

Microsoft didn't even need to release a new console, just an app. Kind of funny how easily the threat of the Wii U has been brushed aside.

I expect Nintendo to announce that they're exiting the hardware market and will be focusing exclusively on releasing games. Or maybe they'll be able to strike a deal with Microsoft or Sony allowing them to be an official accessory partner or something (so that Nintendo can continue making their games have new and unique interactions without Nintendo having to make the entire console themselves.)

They wont go anywhere.
Little Timmy's mother wont want to spend $500 on a system that only has FPS games (PS3 & XBOX).
Nintendo has found is market.

I do wish that Nintendo would finally come out with a 'next gen system' and not something thats already old tech.

If only Sony woul take a cue on this one...

I agree 100%.

ncaissie
Nov 7, 2012, 02:03 PM
Like you are going to have the time to play on th ipad in the middle of a game like Forzza.

SteveJobs2.0
Nov 7, 2012, 02:11 PM
If only Sony woul take a cue on this one...

PS3 can connect to the Vita. It is not as cost effective for most gamers, but they are not clueless to the idea of device to device communication.

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Like you are going to have the time to play on th ipad in the middle of a game like Forzza.

You won't play on it, yuou can take a look at the iPad to see where you are on the track, perhaps your car condition, etc. In RPG it could show you your character stats, inventory, etc. so that you don't have to contstantly jump into menus in the actual game.

ncaissie
Nov 7, 2012, 02:12 PM
And Nintendo has lost.

Microsoft didn't even need to release a new console, just an app. Kind of funny how easily the threat of the Wii U has been brushed aside.

I expect Nintendo to announce that they're exiting the hardware market and will be focusing exclusively on releasing games. Or maybe they'll be able to strike a deal with Microsoft or Sony allowing them to be an official accessory partner or something (so that Nintendo can continue making their games have new and unique interactions without Nintendo having to make the entire console themselves.)

You donít know what you are talking about. The Wii U tablet is a controller and much more than an app. And you donít have to spend $60 a year to use it. The 360 is total crap. And Yes I have one, and a Wii and 3 PS3s and I will be getting the Wii U.
I also have all the iOS devices as well as all the handheld consoles.
Nintendo will take the lead again this time unless the Kinect tech actually gets to a point you can use it. Right now it sucks for everything but dance game which are done just as well on the move and Wii.

ncaissie
Nov 7, 2012, 02:28 PM
If only Sony woul take a cue on this one...

No way. I hate taking my hands off the buttons just to swipe on the vita screen. To put down the controller to use the tablet is just plain stupid.

MrXiro
Nov 7, 2012, 03:06 PM
If only Sony woul take a cue on this one...

If only Sony took MANY cues...

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No way. I hate taking my hands off the buttons just to swipe on the vita screen. To put down the controller to use the tablet is just plain stupid.

Not for gaming but for multimedia... the PS3 needs an OS facelift. X-Cross Media Bar is archaic, ugly and boring. I wish Sony would get a clue and listen to their customers.

ArtOfWarfare
Nov 7, 2012, 03:16 PM
They wont go anywhere.
Little Timmy's mother wont want to spend $500 on a system that only has FPS games (PS3 & XBOX).
Nintendo has found is market.

Where did you come up with $500? As I recall, the consoles haven't been priced like that in a half decade. Here's the current pricing data (all prices are the lowest available from Walmart, because that's where our hypothetical "Little Timmy's mother" is going to shop and what she's going to buy):

The XBOX 360 is $200.
The PlayStation 3 is $250.
The Wii U is $300.

You are correct that the other systems have only FPS games... I will, despite my statements that might suggest otherwise, be looking into owning a Wii U as my next gen system when Nintendo gets around to releasing Pikmin 3 in Spring 2013... I may buy it at that point if there seems to be enough other exclusive games to justify the price, or I may just sit out for this generation entirely (there's a lack of compelling games, for me.)

Lightey
Nov 7, 2012, 04:22 PM
And Nintendo has lost.

Microsoft didn't even need to release a new console, just an app. Kind of funny how easily the threat of the Wii U has been brushed aside.

I expect Nintendo to announce that they're exiting the hardware market and will be focusing exclusively on releasing games. Or maybe they'll be able to strike a deal with Microsoft or Sony allowing them to be an official accessory partner or something (so that Nintendo can continue making their games have new and unique interactions without Nintendo having to make the entire console themselves.)

Microsoft will never make gaming on their console as fun and intuitive as Nintendo does. You are not a gamer, and don't even bother calling yourself one.

8ate8
Nov 7, 2012, 04:29 PM
Where did you come up with $500? As I recall, the consoles haven't been priced like that in a half decade.


Which is when the current gen of Sony and Microsoft consoles were first released. Do you think the "Xbox720" and "PS4" are going to be priced at $200 and $250, respectively, or closer to that $500?

gatearray
Nov 7, 2012, 04:35 PM
I think you're missing the whole point. SmartGlass does not replace the controller, it adds an extra dimension to using media on a 360. Kinda like airplay, but better.

Serious question, what part of this app wirelessly streams audio and video from my iOS device to my television? From the OP, this sounds way more like a jazzed up version of the Apple Remote app for an Xbox than anything to do with AirPlay.

knewsom
Nov 7, 2012, 04:49 PM
PS3 can connect to the Vita. It is not as cost effective for most gamers, but they are not clueless to the idea of device to device communication.

No way. I hate taking my hands off the buttons just to swipe on the vita screen. To put down the controller to use the tablet is just plain stupid.

I don't want a Vita. Why would I? I HAVE an iPhone. Sony's remote control is garbage. Can't see crap on it and all the buttons are the same. It's also way too easy to accidentally press a button. I want to control my PS3 with my iPhone.

Geckotek
Nov 7, 2012, 04:49 PM
Microsoft will never make gaming on their console as fun and intuitive as Nintendo does. You are not a gamer, and don't even bother calling yourself one.

Having owned both, I disagree 100%.

irnchriz
Nov 7, 2012, 04:58 PM
Been using my iPad all night with my 360 playing Forza Horizon, the Forza Horizon Smartglass app turns the iPad into a sat nav for the game so you can set waypoints etc without having to do it on the screen.

Now all I need is one of these to act like a dashboard mount for my sofa:
http://www.coolpeopleshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Handsfree-Ipad-Holder.jpg

DynaFXD
Nov 7, 2012, 04:58 PM
[QUOTE=SteveJobs2.0;16250557]PS3 can connect to the Vita. It is not as cost effective for most gamers, but they are not clueless to the idea of device to device communication.[COLOR="#808080"]

iPhone has bluetooth, PS3 has bluetooth. Wonder why no one has generated an app that lets you use an iOS device to use the PS3 when using it as a media center?

Calle68
Nov 7, 2012, 05:47 PM
Everybody at Apple, saw that? A browser on a tv-set. Weird, ah?
For what evil reason I cannot have it on my Apple TV? Ive does not like it? There was something about it in the Steve Job testament against it?
Why not a Safari (a snappier Safari ..) on Apple TV? Ok, without flash, ok ... But, c'mon, take a look at the world around ya ... without reality distortion activated.
BTW: Microsoft, what about some background music in your video?

cclloyd
Nov 7, 2012, 08:30 PM
Now when I use this while gaming, I can have an excuse for me sucking at it!

ArtOfWarfare
Nov 7, 2012, 08:32 PM
Which is when the current gen of Sony and Microsoft consoles were first released. Do you think the "Xbox720" and "PS4" are going to be priced at $200 and $250, respectively, or closer to that $500?
I think those are years away and Microsoft and Sony don't feel any pressure to hurry on account of the Wii U's release. They consider their current offerings good enough to go head to head with the Wii U, and Jimmy's mom doesn't know the difference. They're game systems, Jimmy wants one, she's getting what's cheapest.

ReanimationN
Nov 7, 2012, 08:51 PM
Not for gaming but for multimedia... the PS3 needs an OS facelift. X-Cross Media Bar is archaic, ugly and boring. I wish Sony would get a clue and listen to their customers.

The XMB is still much better than those nasty bubbles the PS Vita has.

bayxsonic
Nov 7, 2012, 08:52 PM
Basically this is a combination of

AirPlay (send music and videos)
iCloud (share webpages on your devices)
Remote app (control TV device from phone)

But it also adds

"hidden content behind the main content", which will likely be disappointing if you consider how they only work on some content.


Kudos to MS, though, this is still great. Maybe I will give MS a chance by the time Windows 9 comes out.

Lightey
Nov 7, 2012, 09:06 PM
I think those are years away and Microsoft and Sony don't feel any pressure to hurry on account of the Wii U's release. They consider their current offerings good enough to go head to head with the Wii U, and Jimmy's mom doesn't know the difference. They're game systems, Jimmy wants one, she's getting what's cheapest.

Actually, that's not true. If my family wants to buy me something, they ask me SPECIALLY what it is I want. If I say I want a PS3, I'm not going to end up with a 360, because that's not what I asked for. You're assuming all parents are stupid and just want what's cheapest. Some parents actually care about what their kids are going to enjoy the most and get that instead, because it will provide the kid with lasting entertainment instead of getting something they don't want.
I have every major 7th and 8th gen console currently released, and I have a preorder on the Wii U, and I think they're all great, save for the Vita.
You just hate Nintendo.

hathornb
Nov 7, 2012, 10:40 PM
Microsoft will never make gaming on their console as fun and intuitive as Nintendo does. You are not a gamer, and don't even bother calling yourself one.

...What? Who on God's green earth who plays console games considers anyone who uses any Nintendo product as the definition of a "gamer" - ????

Literally, cannot be more confused right now..

sclawis300
Nov 7, 2012, 10:46 PM
Couldn't leave without posting a SmartGlass comment. :p

Can't wait to try this out. We watch a ton of ripped DVD's from a USB connected HDD on the 360. Sure, controller works, but it's a little bit of a pain to wake it up after each show, wait for it to connect, then select a new show.



This is exactly what will happen with your tablet. But this time you can't do it by straight touch.

ArtOfWarfare
Nov 7, 2012, 10:56 PM
You just hate Nintendo.

Actually, my complete list of game systems is an N64, a GC, and a Wii (and my iMac... and my iPhone.) I love Nintendo's games, and I will probably be buying the Wii U for exclusives like Pikmin 3... except so far, that's the only game they've shown that I'm thinking looks like it makes the system worth it. I'll be holding out until buying a Wii U until next year, when maybe the price has dropped some and they actually have a decent exclusives list instead of a list of ports.

As far as parents looking to be nice to kids, there's a list of reasons why that doesn't always work out, and price is on it. If your parents can afford to blow $1K on gaming systems every generation like you said yours did, that's great for you. Most households don't have so much excess cash to spend on video game consoles.

lordofthereef
Nov 8, 2012, 12:16 AM
And Nintendo has lost.

Microsoft didn't even need to release a new console, just an app. Kind of funny how easily the threat of the Wii U has been brushed aside.

I expect Nintendo to announce that they're exiting the hardware market and will be focusing exclusively on releasing games. Or maybe they'll be able to strike a deal with Microsoft or Sony allowing them to be an official accessory partner or something (so that Nintendo can continue making their games have new and unique interactions without Nintendo having to make the entire console themselves.)

I am a bit out of the loop as my gaming time an interest have dropped dramatically, but as I understand it, there is a bit more to the wii u.

To start, the games can actually be played in full on the handheld screen controller (does that thing have an actual name?) I don't think smart glass does this. This also opens up unique play styles as one player can play on the small screen (a screen other players in the room cannot see).

I don't think the wii u will be anything like the be all end all, but it's features don't seem to be duplicated by smart glass. At least not the important ones.

There is a rumored Xbox tablet on the horizon. That is what I foresee giving the wii u potential competition, especially if priced competitively. Of course it would have to tie Ito the Xbox gaming console as well, but that is almost not even worth speaking of seeing all this other third party hardware Microsoft willingly tied in.

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Actually, that's not true. If my family wants to buy me something, they ask me SPECIALLY what it is I want. If I say I want a PS3, I'm not going to end up with a 360, because that's not what I asked for. You're assuming all parents are stupid and just want what's cheapest. Some parents actually care about what their kids are going to enjoy the most and get that instead, because it will provide the kid with lasting entertainment instead of getting something they don't want.
I have every major 7th and 8th gen console currently released, and I have a preorder on the Wii U, and I think they're all great, save for the Vita.
You just hate Nintendo.

Lucky guy. In this economy I'd say you are in the minority. When I was a kid (27 now) I had dozens of snes and genesis games. Hell, probably hundreds. And we weren't a wealthy family. These days, to buy all that, you either have to be wealthy, or spend your money on very little else.

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...What? Who on God's green earth who plays console games considers anyone who uses any Nintendo product as the definition of a "gamer" - ????

Literally, cannot be more confused right now..

I know plenty of gamers who use Nintendo products. They just don't limit themselves to only Nintendo products.

In my day, you weren't a gamer unless you played pc games. I still don't consider console brats gamers. :p

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Serious question, what part of this app wirelessly streams audio and video from my iOS device to my television? From the OP, this sounds way more like a jazzed up version of the Apple Remote app for an Xbox than anything to do with AirPlay.
I believe it streams from the console to the device which is running smart glass. We have had this sort of streaming for ages. Apple cleaned up the interface and called it air play. Now everything that streams from one device
To another is deemed and air play copy cat.

hathornb
Nov 8, 2012, 12:16 AM
I am a bit out of the loop as my gaming time an interest have dropped dramatically, but as I understand it, there is a bit more to the wii u.

To start, the games can actually be played in full on the handheld screen controller (does that thing have an actual name?) I don't think smart glass does this. This also opens up unique play styles as one player can play on the small screen (a screen other players in the room cannot see).

I don't think the wii u will be anything like the be all end all, but it's features don't seem to be duplicated by smart glass. At least not the important ones.

There is a rumored Xbox tablet on the horizon. That is what I foresee giving the wii u potential competition, especially if priced competitively. Of course it would have to tie Ito the Xbox gaming console as well, but that is almost not even worth speaking of seeing all this other third party hardware Microsoft willingly tied in.

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Lucky guy. In this economy I'd say you are in the minority. When I was a kid (27 now) I had dozens of snes and genesis games. Hell, probably hundreds. And we weren't a wealthy family. These days, to buy all that, you either have to be wealthy, or spend your money on very little else.

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I know plenty of gamers who use Nintendo products. They just don't limit themselves to only Nintendo products.

In my day, you weren't a gamer unless you played pc games. I still don't consider console brats gamers. :p

Hehe. Yeah. I was just speaking more to the point that you don't need to own a nintendo product to be a 'gamer' - or at least I don't know many people who consider that the threshold.

lordofthereef
Nov 8, 2012, 12:42 AM
Everybody at Apple, saw that? A browser on a tv-set. Weird, ah?
For what evil reason I cannot have it on my Apple TV? Ive does not like it? There was something about it in the Steve Job testament against it?
Why not a Safari (a snappier Safari ..) on Apple TV? Ok, without flash, ok ... But, c'mon, take a look at the world around ya ... without reality distortion activated.
BTW: Microsoft, what about some background music in your video?

I believe it was removed because of "security concerns" (aka jailbreak exploits). The ATV3 is still locked down as tightly as the day it launched and the devs attribute this to a lack of browser. Meanwhile, the older gen ATVs are selling for quadruple what their original prices were.

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Just watched the video. I don't think they changed the landscape on watching sports. You can choose who wins with a slider then compare with Xbox Live buddies. You can also do this by thinking of who's gonna win in your head...then texting your friend during and after game about who won. AMAZING.

Come now. Do you see how silly this is? I could argue that texting is eawuallynworthless because I could just pick up te phone and call my friends. While we are at it phones are also worthless because I can just send a telegram.

They are showcasing a potentially fun feature of the software. It's not all that it is limited too. It's the start of something potentially big. How far have these consoles come running the same hardware they've had for over half a decade? I say pretty damn far.

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You donít know what you are talking about. The Wii U tablet is a controller and much more than an app. And you donít have to spend $60 a year to use it. The 360 is total crap. And Yes I have one, and a Wii and 3 PS3s and I will be getting the Wii U.
I also have all the iOS devices as well as all the handheld consoles.
Nintendo will take the lead again this time unless the Kinect tech actually gets to a point you can use it. Right now it sucks for everything but dance game which are done just as well on the move and Wii.

Dance games being executed just as well on move and wii? I am going to have to disagree wholeheartedly. With the move and wii you have to have a device in your hands, for starters. But I have never seen a dancing game as immersive as those which we see on the kinect. Not even close.

I largely agree with the rest of your synopsis though. Not sure if Nintendo is going to take a huge lead in te American market though. Casual gamers seem to be picking up mobile games like hot cakes instead of consoles and Nintendo tends to lack te killer titles that hardcore gamers crave.

Ice thought about getting a 3ds for te Mario games. But it's just not worth me dropping the money even with the substantial price break. I'll wait until I can get a used unit for under $50 and the games for around $10. There is nothi else on the. Device that remotely piques my interest b

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Where did you come up with $500? As I recall, the consoles haven't been priced like that in a half decade. Here's the current pricing data (all prices are the lowest available from Walmart, because that's where our hypothetical "Little Timmy's mother" is going to shop and what she's going to buy):

The XBOX 360 is $200.
The PlayStation 3 is $250.
The Wii U is $300.

You are correct that the other systems have only FPS games... I will, despite my statements that might suggest otherwise, be looking into owning a Wii U as my next gen system when Nintendo gets around to releasing Pikmin 3 in Spring 2013... I may buy it at that point if there seems to be enough other exclusive games to justify the price, or I may just sit out for this generation entirely (there's a lack of compelling games, for me.)

The consoles that you listed, with the exception of the wii u, are nearly a decade old set of hardware. I would venture to guess the wii u isn't cutting edge either (Nintendo has a track record of not being cutting edge) although there is very little info on actual specs. If Sony or MS were to launch new consoles you can bet it would be cutting edge hardware by today's standards. I don't think $500 would be that far off. You mentioned we haven't had consoles that price for a while. The consoles that launched at that price were these very consoles. They have simply dropped in price since
Production has become significantly cheaper.

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I don't think this will ever come close to being as efficient as just using the controller.

It's not about efficiency in most cases. It is about additional content. Although text entry would be more efficient than using a controller right out the door.

denaliOnDubs
Nov 8, 2012, 01:12 AM
Not sized to the iPhone 5... really, Microsoft?:rolleyes:

I felt the same way.

steve-p
Nov 8, 2012, 04:30 AM
Been using my iPad all night with my 360 playing Forza Horizon, the Forza Horizon Smartglass app turns the iPad into a sat nav for the game so you can set waypoints etc without having to do it on the screen.
That sounds useful - guess I'd better download it then :)

jayenh
Nov 8, 2012, 06:56 AM
Not sized to the iPhone 5... really, Microsoft?:rolleyes:

Kind of like iTunes not being compatible with Vista, right?

Blomkvist
Nov 8, 2012, 07:12 AM
Haven't downloaded this app yet, but will be doing so soon.

I wish the app would let you play using the iPad as your primary screen...but I guess latency would be too bad.

Deadman64
Nov 8, 2012, 08:20 AM
And Nintendo has lost.

Microsoft didn't even need to release a new console, just an app. Kind of funny how easily the threat of the Wii U has been brushed aside.

I expect Nintendo to announce that they're exiting the hardware market and will be focusing exclusively on releasing games. Or maybe they'll be able to strike a deal with Microsoft or Sony allowing them to be an official accessory partner or something (so that Nintendo can continue making their games have new and unique interactions without Nintendo having to make the entire console themselves.)

Agreed, I see Nintendo just being a game studio in the future. I bet Sony or Microsoft would love to swoop in on that purchase...

Akarin
Nov 8, 2012, 08:41 AM
I just tried this SmartGlass stuff. When playing a DVD, you can pause/play/next chapter and that's about it. No fast forward, go to DVD menu, etc.

As I would certainly not use my iPhone instead of the Xbox controller for games, I thought the app would at least be useful as a remote controller for DVD's. Well, not even.

Half implemented stuff starting from a good idea, that's Microsoft!

brownpaw
Nov 8, 2012, 08:54 AM
I just tried this SmartGlass stuff. When playing a DVD, you can pause/play/next chapter and that's about it. No fast forward, go to DVD menu, etc.

As I would certainly not use my iPhone instead of the Xbox controller for games, I thought the app would at least be useful as a remote controller for DVD's. Well, not even.

Half implemented stuff starting from a good idea, that's Microsoft!

The usefulness is going to be in games that implement it well, like a sports game that lets you use the second screen for picking plays, or an RPG that lets you have immediate access to your inventory on the second screen.

It's not a half-implementation when 90% of what it does is going to be the job of other game devs.

Yvan256
Nov 8, 2012, 09:18 AM
Where did you come up with $500? As I recall, the consoles haven't been priced like that in a half decade. Here's the current pricing data (all prices are the lowest available from Walmart, because that's where our hypothetical "Little Timmy's mother" is going to shop and what she's going to buy):

The XBOX 360 is $200.
The PlayStation 3 is $250.
The Wii U is $300.

I'm glad to hear that the iPod touch is now bundled for free with the Xbox 360. :rolleyes:

the8thark
Nov 8, 2012, 09:38 AM
And Nintendo has lost.

Microsoft didn't even need to release a new console, just an app. Kind of funny how easily the threat of the Wii U has been brushed aside.

I expect Nintendo to announce that they're exiting the hardware market and will be focusing exclusively on releasing games. Or maybe they'll be able to strike a deal with Microsoft or Sony allowing them to be an official accessory partner or something (so that Nintendo can continue making their games have new and unique interactions without Nintendo having to make the entire console themselves.)

You are assuming a great many things. Which might or might not be true. Awesome MS app. But downside is you need iOS device and Xbox. A lot of Xbox users do not have an iPhone. If anything this promotes Apple and MS hardware working together in tandem. A co-operation of sorts.

Nintendo to the same thing out of the box with the WiiU. Whereas MS use people who already have an Xbox and iOS device to get a lot more functionality out of the two devices they already own. Two totally different ways to achieve the same end result.

One would hope the Surface tablet has this app too. But if the iOS app is as good as the WiiU controller then I see both Apple and MS benefiting from this. This App won't kill anything Nintendo. Cause it targets a totally different market. The Xbox and iOS device owners. It seems both Nintendo and MS have this same feature now.

Foggy
Nov 8, 2012, 09:48 AM
I had a good play with SmartGlass last night and really like it. As a free extension to my xbox it is great! Loved having the map and GPS stuff for Forza Horizons running on the ipad. Was handy being able to message my friends without having to try and use my controller to type the message in!

Rodimus Prime
Nov 8, 2012, 10:13 AM
Not sized to the iPhone 5... really, Microsoft?:rolleyes:

why not good. At the same time Apple change fair amount of stuff in iOS 6 and where I work it is causing world of problems in the long list of undocumented changes. The fixes are requiring some fairly crazy work arounds and I can promise you that iOS 6 broke a lot of apps out there. Those fix take much higher priority than dealing with the larger screen sizes and poor design standards Apple encourage for years.
Something like glass is fairly complicated on the back end and under the hood. Chances are they are working on a patch to go with iPhone 5 but it was farther down on the list of things to address for it.

Geckotek
Nov 8, 2012, 11:23 AM
You are assuming a great many things. Which might or might not be true. Awesome MS app. But downside is you need iOS device and Xbox. A lot of Xbox users do not have an iPhone.

A lot of iPhone owners have Xboxes.

RobNYC
Nov 8, 2012, 11:34 AM
If only Sony woul take a cue on this one...

Exactly what I was thinking.

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iPhone has bluetooth, PS3 has bluetooth. Wonder why no one has generated an app that lets you use an iOS device to use the PS3 when using it as a media center?

There's some app called "Pocket Blu" app that allows you to control the PS3's dvd playback for certain blu-ray discs. It's kind of useless and I think it goes through the wifi network now that I think about it.

Akarin
Nov 8, 2012, 12:21 PM
It's not a half-implementation when 90% of what it does is going to be the job of other game devs.

Only partly agreeing... One could expect that the very least would be to support properly the stock features such as the DVD player.

wdomon
Nov 8, 2012, 03:08 PM
You are assuming a great many things. Which might or might not be true. Awesome MS app. But downside is you need iOS device and Xbox. A lot of Xbox users do not have an iPhone.

This isn't only limited to iOS devices either. SmartGlass was released on Android last week. With more active cell phone lines in the US than actual humans in the US, I think you'd be hard pressed to find an Xbox owner that didn't have an Android/Windows/iOS phone.

For what it's worth, having used both, I can tell you that the iOS flavor works MUCH better (at least on tablets. I haven't bothered using it on my iPhone 5 since my iPad 3 gives me more real estate to work with).

DavidLeblond
Nov 12, 2012, 07:59 AM
why not good. At the same time Apple change fair amount of stuff in iOS 6 and where I work it is causing world of problems in the long list of undocumented changes. The fixes are requiring some fairly crazy work arounds and I can promise you that iOS 6 broke a lot of apps out there. Those fix take much higher priority than dealing with the larger screen sizes and poor design standards Apple encourage for years.
Something like glass is fairly complicated on the back end and under the hood. Chances are they are working on a patch to go with iPhone 5 but it was farther down on the list of things to address for it.

It's really not that hard to make it size correctly to the iPhone 5. Unless they have the world's worst programmers working on the project, and I doubt they do.

Rodimus Prime
Nov 12, 2012, 08:07 AM
It's really not that hard to make it size correctly to the iPhone 5. Unless they have the world's worst programmers working on the project, and I doubt they do.

Not hard is true but it still takes time. They only have so many programming hours per week. Chances are they only have 2-3 people at most working on it. Putting that in place means it takes longer to get to a minor issues like the screen size.
Also depending how it was originally designed and developed it may be a lot harder to fix as they might of subclass some key things so it means more rewriting which means more time. Plus you have testing to go threw and the apples approval process.

Geckotek
Nov 12, 2012, 09:16 AM
It's really not that hard to make it size correctly to the iPhone 5. Unless they have the world's worst programmers working on the project, and I doubt they do.

How many other major app have not been sized for the iPhone 5 yet? Pointless complaint...they'll get to it when they get to it.

KdParker
Nov 15, 2012, 08:41 AM
And Nintendo has lost.

Microsoft didn't even need to release a new console, just an app. Kind of funny how easily the threat of the Wii U has been brushed aside.

I expect Nintendo to announce that they're exiting the hardware market and will be focusing exclusively on releasing games. Or maybe they'll be able to strike a deal with Microsoft or Sony allowing them to be an official accessory partner or something (so that Nintendo can continue making their games have new and unique interactions without Nintendo having to make the entire console themselves.)

The Wii was done a long time ago.

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You donít know what you are talking about. The Wii U tablet is a controller and much more than an app. And you donít have to spend $60 a year to use it. The 360 is total crap. And Yes I have one, and a Wii and 3 PS3s and I will be getting the Wii U.
I also have all the iOS devices as well as all the handheld consoles.
Nintendo will take the lead again this time unless the Kinect tech actually gets to a point you can use it. Right now it sucks for everything but dance game which are done just as well on the move and Wii.

Guess your experience is based which games you play.

We have Wii and Xbox360 and the Wii is starting to get dusty, and I just don't see a reason to buy a beefed up controller for the outdated Wii.

ArtOfWarfare
Nov 15, 2012, 12:02 PM
The Wii was done a long time ago.

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Guess your experience is based which games you play.

We have Wii and Xbox360 and the Wii is starting to get dusty, and I just don't see a reason to buy a beefed up controller for the outdated Wii.

The Wii U is an entirely new console. It is capable of playing both Wii and Wii U games, and using Wii or Wii U controllers.

But with Apple (AirPlay), Microsoft (SmartGlass), and Google (IDK if they have a name for it... It's a part of Android 4.2) all having released their own touch screen + external TV screen set ups, I think Nintendo might be delivering too late, at too high a price.

I may be wrong though. Their set up has a few key advantages:
1 - Everyone who buys a Wii U will have the two screen set up with virtually no effort.
2 - All Wii U developers will be taking advantage of the two screen set up.
3 - The Wii U includes several physical controls on the controller that may make games on it far superior to those on touch-only devices.

At the same time, the two screen idea was already done with the DreamCast, and Sega no longer makes hardware, now do they?

So... We'll see how the Wii U does. I hope it succeeds because I think Nintendo makes the best console games by far. (Shooters are better done on the computer, and Valve + id vie for taking the cake on that. Blizzard is basically uncontested for the best computer RTS games.)