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Saladinos
Nov 27, 2012, 04:39 PM
Already saw those videos. The guy is horribly biased. I've used Android and still prefer iOS over it.

There comes a point when customization is just for the sake of it. This guy likes to repeat how "customizable" Android is, but I think he misses the point of what an OS should be: a platform for apps. Honestly, if I was given too many options to customize, I would go crazy over how I would want the phone to look. I'm perfectly happy with iOS's appearance.

That's my big problem with Android: I'm definitely what you'd call a "power user", so installing custom ROMs and the like isn't a big deal for me. So that's what I did on my galaxy nexus.

That said, it takes so much time to find a good ROM, then they don't have all the tweaks you want, so you either need to patch it in yourself (and support it as the system updates) or look for another ROM.

All in all, you could spend your entire life searching through all the slightly tweaked android variants.

Once you've actually found one though, there's not a whole lot to do on the device. The google play store is still a list of "meh"s. The constant wave of fresh and exciting apps that you get on iOS just doesn't exist on Android. Yes, you can sideload apps, but outside of ridiculously easy piracy I haven't seen a case where that's essential. Maybe that's why the store is so barren.

That's why I'm still with my iPad and my next phone will be an iPhone. You don't spend all your time tweaking how the device should work; you spend your time using it.



dalbir4444
Nov 27, 2012, 04:45 PM
Yeah I understand that...I use iPhone and it has its many faults too but some people are here for a different reason.

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Of course you don't since you have Android. You see??? It's not that I don't like it but it's more amusing than annoying.

Like I said, I have no problem if someone criticizes Android reasonably. I dislike when people make blanket statements about any platform, and particularly users of that platform just to boost their own ego.

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That's my big problem with Android: I'm definitely what you'd call a "power user", so installing custom ROMs and the like isn't a big deal for me. So that's what I did on my galaxy nexus.

That said, it takes so much time to find a good ROM, then they don't have all the tweaks you want, so you either need to patch it in yourself (and support it as the system updates) or look for another ROM.

All in all, you could spend your entire life searching through all the slightly tweaked android variants.

Once you've actually found one though, there's not a whole lot to do on the device. The google play store is still a list of "meh"s. The constant wave of fresh and exciting apps that you get on iOS just doesn't exist on Android. Yes, you can sideload apps, but outside of ridiculously easy piracy I haven't seen a case where that's essential. Maybe that's why the store is so barren.

That's why I'm still with my iPad and my next phone will be an iPhone. You don't spend all your time tweaking how the device should work; you spend your time using it.

I'm not sure how to respond. You don't have to install a custom ROM.

aerok
Nov 27, 2012, 04:45 PM
Like I said, I have no problem if someone criticizes Android reasonably. I dislike when people make blanket statements about any platform, and particularly users of that platform just to boost their own ego.

Especially when they come up with the same stupid gibberish of an argument like malware/spyware or Android users are poor.

TacticalDesire
Nov 27, 2012, 04:45 PM
Last I checked this thread is in the alternatives to iOS section. Yet people are surprised to see critisism?

dalbir4444
Nov 27, 2012, 04:47 PM
Especially when they come up with the same stupid gibberish of an argument like malware/spyware or Android users are poor.

When I hear garbage like that, I can immediately tell what kind of person I am dealing with.

aerok
Nov 27, 2012, 04:49 PM
When I hear garbage like that, I can immediately tell what kind of person I am dealing with.

Poorer people :D:D:D

I kid :p

dojoman
Nov 27, 2012, 04:56 PM
I'm not sure how to respond. You don't have to install a custom ROM.

Yes you don't have to install a custom ROM but most do because they hate the carrier branding and junks app pre-installed on the Android phone.

walie
Nov 27, 2012, 05:02 PM
Yeah I understand that...I use iPhone and it has its many faults too but some people are here for a different reason.

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Of course you don't since you have Android. You see??? It's not that I don't like it but it's more amusing than annoying.

I come to this forum mainly because I have an iPad, but I'm kinda turned off of the iPad forums right now because they're awash with "the ipad mini's display doesn't bother me" and "No Retina? iPad mini SUCKS" and the classic "Why I'm STILL sticking with my iPad2" threads. So I come here because I have a Note2

And if you equate criticism with hate, you may not get far in life.

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Yes you don't have to install a custom ROM but most do because they hate the carrier branding and junks app pre-installed on the Android phone.

There are other, much easier ways to get around that. Freezing with Titanium backup and disabling in Android 4.0+ come to mind.

dalbir4444
Nov 27, 2012, 05:08 PM
Yes you don't have to install a custom ROM but most do because they hate the carrier branding and junks app pre-installed on the Android phone.

You don't need to flash ROMs for that. Rooting and titanium backup are your friends. Also, if you are fine with the junk apps just hidden, you don't even need to root. Launchers like Nova allow you to hide apps.

aerok
Nov 27, 2012, 05:10 PM
You don't need to flash ROMs for that. Rooting and titanium backup are your friends. Also, if you are fine with the junk apps just hidden, you don't even need to root. Launchers like Nova allow you to hide apps.

Well most Android phones now, you can hide apps using the default homescreen. I know you can on the HTC One series phone and the new line of Galaxy phones.

dalbir4444
Nov 27, 2012, 05:12 PM
Well most Android phones now, you can hide apps using the default homescreen. I know you can on the HTC One series phone and the new line of Galaxy phones.

Oh. I didn't know that. I never played around with stock launchers too much. It's not an issue for me either ways. I don't buy my phones from carriers.

Tinmania
Nov 27, 2012, 05:19 PM
I honestly don't understand why so many Apple iDevice haters keep coming back to website called Macrumors. Seriously, why are you guys here if you hate all "i" device so much?

I don't understand how someone could mistake MacRumors for iDeviceRumors.

At least try to think it through.



Michael

aerok
Nov 27, 2012, 05:33 PM
I don't understand how someone could mistake MacRumors for iDeviceRumors.

At least try to think it through.



Michael

Think it through? I think you're asking too much from some people here :p

Saladinos
Nov 27, 2012, 06:58 PM
I'm not sure how to respond. You don't have to install a custom ROM.

No you don't have to, but they're basically what all these so-called advantages of Android ultimately boil down to:

- Customisation? Really? Yeah. Install a custom ROM.
- Open-source? Really? Yeah. Install a custom ROM.

You can get alternative launchers, but when I look on the Play store, I don't see an abundance of lots of unique launcher styles. What I see is:

- One (or maybe two) major decent alternatives. Nova and ADW. The rest are too poor to even consider.
- Between these two launchers, they work basically the same way (which is basically the same way the stock Android launcher). There are a few minor tweaks. Most of those tweaks are stupid things (like three-finger gesture shortcuts) that I can't be bothered with. Oh, and those tweaks have to be paid for, too (not complaining, just mentioning).
- No integration. Even if I was interested in trying out a different launcher, there's a huge amount of fatigue here: you're going to have to re-add any widgets, home-screen shortcuts, dock shortcuts, everything. Most of the time it isn't worth it, because most of the launchers are small collections of tweaks over the stock launcher.

In short, it's not a selling point. This is exactly why I switched from Windows to the Mac, and it's exactly what I loved about the Mac: instead of spending all day playing with the system internals to get it to work better, I could spend that time using the product to get stuff done.

It's a masterful bit of design by Apple - by giving people less switches and toggles for menu colours or this or that, you do a couple of really great things:

- You limit the number of things that can go wrong
- You limit the number of things the user can distract themselves with

People want things that are simple (obviously). All un-neccessary complexity removed. Apple have a good understanding of what that means (and in practice, it means less options and less "customisation", but it's harder work because you need to make something that people still find useful).

dalbir4444
Nov 27, 2012, 07:43 PM
No you don't have to, but they're basically what all these so-called advantages of Android ultimately boil down to:

- Customisation? Really? Yeah. Install a custom ROM.
- Open-source? Really? Yeah. Install a custom ROM.

You can get alternative launchers, but when I look on the Play store, I don't see an abundance of lots of unique launcher styles. What I see is:

- One (or maybe two) major decent alternatives. Nova and ADW. The rest are too poor to even consider.
- Between these two launchers, they work basically the same way (which is basically the same way the stock Android launcher). There are a few minor tweaks. Most of those tweaks are stupid things (like three-finger gesture shortcuts) that I can't be bothered with. Oh, and those tweaks have to be paid for, too (not complaining, just mentioning).
- No integration. Even if I was interested in trying out a different launcher, there's a huge amount of fatigue here: you're going to have to re-add any widgets, home-screen shortcuts, dock shortcuts, everything. Most of the time it isn't worth it, because most of the launchers are small collections of tweaks over the stock launcher.

When I think of customization, I mainly consider the homescreen. You don't really need to flash a new ROM unless you 're looking for completely theming the system, e.g. MIUI.

I don't share your views on different launchers. I decide which launcher I like and customize it once to meet my needs. I've been using Nova for quite some time and feel no need to switch.


In short, it's not a selling point. This is exactly why I switched from Windows to the Mac, and it's exactly what I loved about the Mac:instead of spending all day playing with the system internals to get it to work better, I could spend that time using the product to get stuff done.

People always say this about Android and Windows, but I never did this with either. I took the time to organize everything once to meet my needs, and haven't felt a need to do so again.


It's a masterful bit of design by Apple - by giving people less switches and toggles for menu colours or this or that, you do a couple of really great things:

- You limit the number of things that can go wrong
- You limit the number of things the user can distract themselves with

I don't claim to know the average consumer, and perhaps I'm just different, but I find it strange that giving users the option to change something will cause confusion. It is just an option, not a necessity. Also, the internet is a far bigger distraction than a couple of switches and toggles.

People want things that are simple (obviously). All un-neccessary complexity removed. Apple have a good understanding of what that means (and in practice, it means less options and less "customisation", but it's harder work because you need to make something that people still find useful).
I always hear that Android is harder to use than iOS, but I just don't agree. Android is perfectly usable out of the box. You don't need to tinker around with it.

Note that I'm not trying to convince you that Android is better than iOS, because that's very subjective. Android works better for me on phones, so I'll stick with it. You like iOS better so there's really no reason for you to change. But each have their selling points, otherwise people would only buy iPhones from the high-end spectrum of phones.

LIVEFRMNYC
Nov 27, 2012, 09:10 PM
Both iOS6 and Android 4.x works just fine out the box when it comes to the basics. Both have the similar first time setup walk thru and the option to add your iCloud/Google account. The main noticeable difference is the level of customization Android has over iOS. This does not make Andriod any more difficult to use. Any difficulty with Android is usually setting up something that doesn't even exist in iOS, and it's by choice. Some users(especially in MR forums) claim Android to be more cumbersome because they try to duplicate exactly what they are used to on iOS. The term "Mac is not a PC" applies to Android and iOS too.

Saladinos
Nov 27, 2012, 11:11 PM
I don't claim to know the average consumer, and perhaps I'm just different, but I find it strange that giving users the option to change something will cause confusion. It is just an option, not a necessity. Also, the internet is a far bigger distraction than a couple of switches and toggles.


I never said it was confusing; it's just distracting. Toggles and options aren't a necessity; you said it yourself. They're not zero-cost either: you have to educate and explain to the user the impact of each option - otherwise how would they know if any particular option will solve their problem?

That means options need to be kept limited to only the truly essential; if the list gets too long, you lose discoverability. You also need to be patient and look at other options for solving the same problems - it's hard to take options away after you've put them there (groups of people will inevitably feel that something's been taken from them and be indignant towards the new system).

I do a lot of mobile UI design for my work, and this is the hardest part of it. You have limited screen space, so you need to be extremely selective. Doubly so because touch controls are larger. You need to agonise over every button and menu item. Perfection, as they say, is reached not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.

I always hear that Android is harder to use than iOS, but I just don't agree. Android is perfectly usable out of the box. You don't need to tinker around with it.

Note that I'm not trying to convince you that Android is better than iOS, because that's very subjective. Android works better for me on phones, so I'll stick with it. You like iOS better so there's really no reason for you to change. But each have their selling points, otherwise people would only buy iPhones from the high-end spectrum of phones.

I don't particularly find iOS more usable than Android. That is, if you're talking about the vanilla OS. I don't particularly like the Android navigation bar; it's bad on a phone, and worse on a tablet. When it comes to third-party software though, iOS is very, very obviously many miles ahead. Still.

Interesting story: A friend of mine just posted on Facebook that she's going to get a Galaxy S3 as her next phone rather than an iPhone. Upon asking her, I just found out that she doesn't even know what an app is. She's never used the AppStore. Rather alarmingly, she's not the first iPhone-owner I've found who have been blissfully unaware of this whole app business.

walie
Nov 27, 2012, 11:57 PM
No you don't have to, but they're basically what all these so-called advantages of Android ultimately boil down to:

- Customisation? Really? Yeah. Install a custom ROM.
- Open-source? Really? Yeah. Install a custom ROM.

You can get alternative launchers, but when I look on the Play store, I don't see an abundance of lots of unique launcher styles. What I see is:

- One (or maybe two) major decent alternatives. Nova and ADW. The rest are too poor to even consider.
- Between these two launchers, they work basically the same way (which is basically the same way the stock Android launcher). There are a few minor tweaks. Most of those tweaks are stupid things (like three-finger gesture shortcuts) that I can't be bothered with. Oh, and those tweaks have to be paid for, too (not complaining, just mentioning).
- No integration. Even if I was interested in trying out a different launcher, there's a huge amount of fatigue here: you're going to have to re-add any widgets, home-screen shortcuts, dock shortcuts, everything. Most of the time it isn't worth it, because most of the launchers are small collections of tweaks over the stock launcher.

In short, it's not a selling point. This is exactly why I switched from Windows to the Mac, and it's exactly what I loved about the Mac: instead of spending all day playing with the system internals to get it to work better, I could spend that time using the product to get stuff done.

It's a masterful bit of design by Apple - by giving people less switches and toggles for menu colours or this or that, you do a couple of really great things:

- You limit the number of things that can go wrong
- You limit the number of things the user can distract themselves with

People want things that are simple (obviously). All un-neccessary complexity removed. Apple have a good understanding of what that means (and in practice, it means less options and less "customisation", but it's harder work because you need to make something that people still find useful).

When you first use Nova Launcher, you have the option of restoring a layout from a backup or cloning the layout of the current launcher. Completely contradicts your claim, but whatev.

onthecouchagain
Nov 28, 2012, 12:15 AM
@Saladinos,

Apple offers classes in their stores where people (lots of people) willingly and happily sign up to take. I always see people eager to learn how to use their shiny new device.

Seriously, it's not that hard to implement a toggle or two here, or generally faster access to settings, or allowing attachments in email (this is not an entirely new concept), or any of the other things that would make iOS more usable. Especially as people become more smartphone and tech-literate in this day and age.

You talk about keeping things simple. How is requiring 6 steps to turn on Private Browsing more simple than 2? How is taking 3-4 steps to turn on WiFi more simple than 1? How is not denying control over the keyboard dictionary (which then runs amok) more simple than allowing it? How is tapping into apps to get any information more simple than glancing at your home screen widget(s)? How is having to input your passcode every single time you unlock your iPhone more simple than allowing one to toggle it on when you need the security, and off when you don't (for example, at home, I toggle my lock screen off. Instant access to phone). I could go on and on. I'm sure others could chime in with plenty of examples too.

There's no two ways about it. You're making excuses for iOS' shortcomings. And the notion that people won't get it or somehow can't learn a few more features here and there is the poorest excuse of them all. Hey, why does Apple bother adding new features at all, if they really fear people not knowing how to use them? Come on now.

siiip5
Nov 28, 2012, 12:34 AM
Yes you don't have to install a custom ROM but most do because they hate the carrier branding and junks app pre-installed on the Android phone.

Not true either. You simply need to root the device to get access to the systems root directory. ROM, Kernal and bootloader can remain untouched. People prefer this option over installing custom roms, because it is easier.

siiip5
Nov 28, 2012, 01:01 AM
No you don't have to, but they're basically what all these so-called advantages of Android ultimately boil down to:

- Customisation? Really? Yeah. Install a custom ROM.
- Open-source? Really? Yeah. Install a custom ROM.

You can get alternative launchers, but when I look on the Play store, I don't see an abundance of lots of unique launcher styles. What I see is:

- One (or maybe two) major decent alternatives. Nova and ADW. The rest are too poor to even consider.
- Between these two launchers, they work basically the same way (which is basically the same way the stock Android launcher). There are a few minor tweaks. Most of those tweaks are stupid things (like three-finger gesture shortcuts) that I can't be bothered with. Oh, and those tweaks have to be paid for, too (not complaining, just mentioning).
- No integration. Even if I was interested in trying out a different launcher, there's a huge amount of fatigue here: you're going to have to re-add any widgets, home-screen shortcuts, dock shortcuts, everything. Most of the time it isn't worth it, because most of the launchers are small collections of tweaks over the stock launcher.

In short, it's not a selling point. This is exactly why I switched from Windows to the Mac, and it's exactly what I loved about the Mac: instead of spending all day playing with the system internals to get it to work better, I could spend that time using the product to get stuff done.

It's a masterful bit of design by Apple - by giving people less switches and toggles for menu colours or this or that, you do a couple of really great things:

- You limit the number of things that can go wrong
- You limit the number of things the user can distract themselves with

People want things that are simple (obviously). All un-neccessary complexity removed. Apple have a good understanding of what that means (and in practice, it means less options and less "customisation", but it's harder work because you need to make something that people still find useful).

No need for a custom rom. Download the SPB launcher. Looks like this;

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/sytudupy.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/ru9etu3y.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/e8ugusuj.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/humatu8e.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/za8eda5y.jpg

IOS is stale, outdated, a bunch of dead icons lacking mobility or user preferenced data. This is just one of 3 launchers I can use on a whim. Apex is the other.

dalbir4444
Nov 28, 2012, 06:43 AM
Interesting story: A friend of mine just posted on Facebook that she's going to get a Galaxy S3 as her next phone rather than an iPhone. Upon asking her, I just found out that she doesn't even know what an app is. She's never used the AppStore. Rather alarmingly, she's not the first iPhone-owner I've found who have been blissfully unaware of this whole app business.

Come on. Those kind of people exist on both sides. I know some people that use their iPhone just to make calls and message.

Pjstock42
Nov 28, 2012, 07:44 AM
No need for a custom rom. Download the SPB launcher. Looks like this;

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/sytudupy.jpg)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/ru9etu3y.jpg)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/e8ugusuj.jpg)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/humatu8e.jpg)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/za8eda5y.jpg)

IOS is stale, outdated, a bunch of dead icons lacking mobility or user preferenced data. This is just one of 3 launchers I can use on a whim. Apex is the other.

Sorry but that just looks ridiculous and completely impractical. I feel as though I would think this is "cool" if I were a 6th grade boy...

cynics
Nov 28, 2012, 08:00 AM
Sorry but that just looks ridiculous and completely impractical. I feel as though I would think this is "cool" if I were a 6th grade boy...

You could always use an iOS launcher.

http://mmi.circumventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ilaunch.png

Doesn't require root nor is it not popular at all but its a choice you have. BTW there is irony to be found when you insult someone's choice by saying it looks like something a child would like....

siiip5
Nov 28, 2012, 08:33 AM
Sorry but that just looks ridiculous and completely impractical. I feel as though I would think this is "cool" if I were a 6th grade boy...

Well then, you are in luck with iOS. It was dsigned for 5th graders.

My pont wasn't about style, but what you can do. The myriad of option that you don't have, ;hat Android users do. I understand your need to lash out. That is what happens when envy kicks in. Ipbone is a POS, and more and more people are realizi g it.

dalbir4444
Nov 28, 2012, 08:46 AM
Sorry but that just looks ridiculous and completely impractical. I feel as though I would think this is "cool" if I were a 6th grade boy...

Please explain why it is impractical.

siiip5
Nov 28, 2012, 08:50 AM
Please explain why it is impractical.

Because it is not a grid of dead icons on a screen. Since that is all ios willallow, it is his only reason.

technowar
Nov 28, 2012, 09:08 AM
No need for a custom rom. Download the SPB launcher. Looks like this;

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/sytudupy.jpg)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/ru9etu3y.jpg)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/e8ugusuj.jpg)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/humatu8e.jpg)
Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/28/za8eda5y.jpg)

IOS is stale, outdated, a bunch of dead icons lacking mobility or user preferenced data. This is just one of 3 launchers I can use on a whim. Apex is the other.

Wow. That really looks awful. Seriously, it looks awful.

I just remembered when Ubuntu first released its Compiz desktop. It sure does looks pretty amusing, but that's all about it. In the end, in order for you to get the job done, you'll have to switch back to ordinary desktop and renders the feature useless. Well, except for showing it off. Duh?

Furthermore, what happens when you need to access the menu? What do you see? Isn't it a lot like Apple's? Bunch of little square icons where you need to tap in order to open.

Lastly, I'm sure it does lag like hell.

dalbir4444
Nov 28, 2012, 09:45 AM
Lastly, I'm sure it does lag like hell.

Not at all. Last time I tried it, it was very smooth. But it's interesting how you are so sure.

walie
Nov 28, 2012, 10:04 AM
Wow. That really looks awful. Seriously, it looks awful.

I just remembered when Ubuntu first released its Compiz desktop. It sure does looks pretty amusing, but that's all about it. In the end, in order for you to get the job done, you'll have to switch back to ordinary desktop and renders the feature useless. Well, except for showing it off. Duh?

Showing off huh, whats that saying again? How can you tell if a person has an iphone? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

Furthermore, what happens when you need to access the menu? What do you see? Isn't it a lot like Apple's? Bunch of little square icons where you need to tap in order to open.

I keep all my most accessed apps on the homescreen. Between that and my battery sipping widgets, I rarely need to access the app menu.

Lastly, I'm sure it does lag like hell.

I love it when people say stuff like this. Are you "sure it does lag like hell" the same way I'm "sure the philippines is the worst place to live ever"? I've never been there, but thats what i heard

see above

Tinmania
Nov 28, 2012, 10:58 AM
Both iOS6 and Android 4.x works just fine out the box when it comes to the basics. Both have the similar first time setup walk thru and the option to add your iCloud/Google account. The main noticeable difference is the level of customization Android has over iOS. This does not make Andriod any more difficult to use. Any difficulty with Android is usually setting up something that doesn't even exist in iOS, and it's by choice. Some users(especially in MR forums) claim Android to be more cumbersome because they try to duplicate exactly what they are used to on iOS. The term "Mac is not a PC" applies to Android and iOS too.
Exactly.

We childproof our homes to make them safe for kids. To me it feels Apple childproofs the iPhone to make it safe for.... whom, exactly? If I prove I'm an adult will they open it up? Nope. The more the jailbreak community tries to make it more open, the more intently Apple tries to close it back up.



Michael

siiip5
Nov 28, 2012, 12:14 PM
Wow. That really looks awful. Seriously, it looks awful.

I just remembered when Ubuntu first released its Compiz desktop. It sure does looks pretty amusing, but that's all about it. In the end, in order for you to get the job done, you'll have to switch back to ordinary desktop and renders the feature useless. Well, except for showing it off. Duh?

Furthermore, what happens when you need to access the menu? What do you see? Isn't it a lot like Apple's? Bunch of little square icons where you need to tap in order to open.

Lastly, I'm sure it does lag like hell.

I can understand why you would say this, because you have no choice in the matter. you are allowed a grid of icons. boring, dead, useless icons. i can choose to use that 3d view to get from page to page, or leave it in animation mode and let it slowly spin from page to page while pullin out a 3d view of the news, world positional data, alarms, etc...
I dont have my Nex7 set to this, just showing what can be done in a few minutes of time.

i use Nova Launcher and have an accurate up to date data useage widget, tells me both my data and wifi useaage, I have a scrolling calendar widget to alert me when and where my next appointment is, and I have a widget for up to the minute sscores, news and stocks. Then I have app icons that are useful with small amounts of data, followed by the ios style dead icons.

and if you have an iphone 5, you should be used to lag. And dents. And scratches. And bending. And pixel issues. And lightbleed problems. and purple halo pictures. oh yeah, and serious lag when scrolling!!! At least, that is what I heard, so I'm sure the info is right.

dojoman
Nov 28, 2012, 04:48 PM
Think it through? I think you're asking too much from some people here :p

Yeah I must be really dumb because I use iPhone since its so easy to use. Android is really confusing and thus users must be smart.

aerok
Nov 28, 2012, 04:51 PM
Yeah I must be really dumb because I use iPhone since its so easy to use. Android is really confusing and thus users must be smart.

When did I ever say iPhone users are dumb? I would call myself dumb in the process then.

dojoman
Nov 28, 2012, 04:56 PM
I can understand why you would say this, because you have no choice in the matter. you are allowed a grid of icons. boring, dead, useless icons. i can choose to use that 3d view to get from page to page, or leave it in animation mode and let it slowly spin from page to page while pullin out a 3d view of the news, world positional data, alarms, etc...
I dont have my Nex7 set to this, just showing what can be done in a few minutes of time.

i use Nova Launcher and have an accurate up to date data useage widget, tells me both my data and wifi useaage, I have a scrolling calendar widget to alert me when and where my next appointment is, and I have a widget for up to the minute sscores, news and stocks. Then I have app icons that are useful with small amounts of data, followed by the ios style dead icons.

and if you have an iphone 5, you should be used to lag. And dents. And scratches. And bending. And pixel issues. And lightbleed problems. and purple halo pictures. oh yeah, and serious lag when scrolling!!! At least, that is what I heard, so I'm sure the info is right.

And yet all these third party launcher keeps crashing and sucking up battery. Not to mentioned constantly running apps hogging memory. No wonder most Android needs such big RAM. You can keep customizing to death but you spend more time tweaking stuff than actually using it. Some people like simplicity nothing else.

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When did I ever say iPhone users are dumb? I would call myself dumb in the process then.

You obviously implied. Stop kidding yourself!!!

siiip5
Nov 28, 2012, 05:08 PM
And yet all these third party launcher keeps crashing and sucking up battery. Not to mentioned constantly running apps hogging memory. No wonder most Android needs such big RAM. You can keep customizing to death but you spend more time tweaking stuff than actually using it. Some people like simplicity nothing more.

Everything you posted is nothing more than repeated propoganda.

I have 3 3rd party launchers on my phone that I can change in and out at will. None use an significant battery or resources, nor do they crash. Although I saw my ipad and iphone crash out of apps on many occasions. iOS is prone to crashing. You just don't know why or what happened, you just get kicked out to the homescreen. At least Android will inform you what happened and why. You get to guess with iOS.

And while I have 2gb of RAM, I rarely exceed 1gb, unless I am doing a bunch of multitasking and need several apps open at once. I realize that this sort of a thing would be confusing and foreign to you, but more RAM means runningmultiple tasks smoothly and efficiently. Apple won't allow you to do this.

Some people do like simplicity. Which is why an iPhone isn't a smartphone. It's a glorified feature phone. It has the ability to be a smartphone, but Apple prevents this. They prefer you to be dependent upon them for everything. You are nothing more than a drone to them.

mib1800
Nov 28, 2012, 07:43 PM
And yet all these third party launcher keeps crashing and sucking up battery. Not to mentioned constantly running apps hogging memory. COLOR="#808080"]

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You obviously implied. Stop kidding yourself!!!

From your statement, either you have not use any Android launchers before or this is just pathetic trolling.

technowar
Nov 28, 2012, 08:21 PM
and if you have an iphone 5, you should be used to lag. And dents. And scratches. And bending. And pixel issues. And lightbleed problems. and purple halo pictures. oh yeah, and serious lag when scrolling!!! At least, that is what I heard, so I'm sure the info is right.

I came from NX7 myself. Despite the 'quad core,' does it act as one? Geez screen lift, dead pixels, speaker busted right out of the box? Wow, just wow. Feels like paying more than Apple and having a second rate unit.

hyteckit
Nov 28, 2012, 08:38 PM
From your statement, either you have not use any Android launchers before or this is just pathetic trolling.

I have use third party launchers. Right now GO launcher.

Seems slower than Touchwiz and laggy. Probably eating up my battery too.

I just got text message spam by GO. WTH! I never authorized it. How they get my phone number.

dalbir4444
Nov 28, 2012, 08:43 PM
I came from NX7 myself. Despite the 'quad core,' does it act as one? Geez screen lift, dead pixels, speaker busted right out of the box? Wow, just wow. Feels like paying more than Apple and having a second rate unit.

iPhone 5 had many issues like that. I don't own the Nexus 7, but from what I've read on this and other boards, lots of people have had great experiences with them.

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I have use third party launchers. Right now GO launcher.

Seems slower than Touchwiz and laggy. Probably eating up my battery too.

I just got text message spam by GO. WTH! I never authorized it. How they get my phone number.

GO launcher is outdated. From my experiences, Nova and Apex are the best. Maybe ADW also.

hyteckit
Nov 28, 2012, 08:46 PM
GO launcher is outdated. From my experiences, Nova and Apex are the best. Maybe ADW also.

I have ADW too. I probably paid $2 for it. Maybe I'll try it again.


But how the hell did GO get my phone number to text me? Because I install the app?

kiltedthrower
Nov 28, 2012, 08:50 PM
I have use third party launchers. Right now GO launcher.

Seems slower than Touchwiz and laggy. Probably eating up my battery too.

I just got text message spam by GO. WTH! I never authorized it. How they get my phone number.

Have you tried sslauncher or adw? Ive never liked Go.

dalbir4444
Nov 28, 2012, 08:52 PM
I have ADW too. I probably paid $2 for it. Maybe I'll try it again.


But how the hell did GO get my phone number to text me? Because I install the app?

Oh yeah, I think I got that too when I installed it yesterday. Did it have something to do with Christmas. I didn't pay attention to it too much, but now that I think about it, they really shouldn't be sending me messages.

But to answer your question, if you check the permissions for the app, this is one of them:

READ CONTACT DATA
Allows the app to read all of the contact (address) data stored on your tablet. Malicious apps may use this to send your data to other people. Allows the app to read all of the contact (address) data stored on your phone. Malicious apps may use this to send your data to other people.

Vetvito
Nov 28, 2012, 09:03 PM
I grew tired of flashing roms and customizing my Nexus, so I got an iPhone.

Now I find myself constantly installing jail break tweaks, and new themes for winter board(4S on 5.1.1).

Another thing I noticed was/is the app crashes on my iPhone. I'm not complainng though. Both OSs have issues.

dalbir4444
Nov 28, 2012, 09:04 PM
I grew tired of flashing roms and customizing my Nexus, so I got an iPhone.

Now I find myself constantly installing jail break tweaks, and new themes for winter board(4S on 5.1.1).

Another thing I noticed was/is the app crashes on my iPhone. I'm not complainng though. Both OSs have issues.

Time to get a Windows Phone:D

siiip5
Nov 28, 2012, 09:31 PM
Time to get a Windows Phone:D

I have the S3, which is an awesome phone, but the all black Lumia 920 was seriously impressive when I played around with it. I am really tempted to give one a try. I am not to concerned with the lack of 3rd party apps for it, as the main ones are on it.

mib1800
Nov 28, 2012, 09:56 PM
I have use third party launchers. Right now GO launcher.

Seems slower than Touchwiz and laggy. Probably eating up my battery too.

I just got text message spam by GO. WTH! I never authorized it. How they get my phone number.

I use Go and I do receive notification sometimes for news & such in the notification but NOT text. And it is not eating up battery. You probably made that up. :p

siiip5
Nov 28, 2012, 10:00 PM
I came from NX7 myself. Despite the 'quad core,' does it act as one? Geez screen lift, dead pixels, speaker busted right out of the box? Wow, just wow. Feels like paying more than Apple and having a second rate unit.

I had heard of the screen lift issues on the initial batch of the Nexus 7's, but that was resolved. There will always be some bad units in manufacturing, but I haven't heard of anywidespread speaker or pixel issues with the Nex7. Mine is perfect, as was the 16gb version I sold. The issues with the iPhone 5 are widespread and continue to persist. It bends, dents and scratches easily.

And at a third the cost of the ipad mini, you get a better screen, faster cpu, better graphics, ability to add external usb storage, and is much more computer like with access to the system files and customizability. iPad Mini does look nice. To bad the OS and screen suck. Def second rate to the Nex7. And notice how Apple refuses to give out any sales figures on the iPad Mini? Yeah, sales are sucking cause the platform sucks and people know it.

hyteckit
Nov 28, 2012, 10:05 PM
I had heard of the screen lift issues on the initial batch of the Nexus 7's, but that was resolved. There will always be some bad units in manufacturing, but I haven't heard of anywidespread speaker or pixel issues with the Nex7. Mine is perfect, as was the 16gb version I sold. The issues with the iPhone 5 are widespread and continue to persist. It bends, dents and scratches easily.


Haha... siiip5. Stop trolling.

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I use Go and I do receive notification sometimes for news & such in the notification but NOT text. And it is not eating up battery. You probably made that up. :p

Here's the partial text message I got:

Christmas 2012 is coming. So as our love. Special designed by GO team, this #gos#100premium them...


It goes on with links.

dalbir4444
Nov 28, 2012, 10:10 PM
I had heard of the screen lift issues on the initial batch of the Nexus 7's, but that was resolved. There will always be some bad units in manufacturing, but I haven't heard of anywidespread speaker or pixel issues with the Nex7. Mine is perfect, as was the 16gb version I sold. The issues with the iPhone 5 are widespread and continue to persist. It bends, dents and scratches easily.

And at a third the cost of the ipad mini, you get a better screen, faster cpu, better graphics, ability to add external usb storage, and is much more computer like with access to the system files and customizability. iPad Mini does look nice. To bad the OS and screen suck. Def second rate to the Nex7. And notice how Apple refuses to give out any sales figures on the iPad Mini? Yeah, sales are sucking cause the platform sucks and people know it.

I doubt that the iPhone 5 problems are that widespread and even more so doubt that the iPad Mini sales sucked. Try to be more objective towards all platforms.

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Haha... siiip5. Stop trolling.

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Here's the partial text message I got:

Christmas 2012 is coming. So as our love. Special designed by GO team, this #gos#100premium them...


It goes on with links.

Yeah, I got the same message. Do you have Go SMS installed or just the launcher?

hyteckit
Nov 28, 2012, 10:38 PM
Yeah, I got the same message. Do you have Go SMS installed or just the launcher?

GO SMS installed too. Those bastards sending me text SPAM.

I'm going to replace it with ADW. I already purchase ADW last year during the Google sale.

dalbir4444
Nov 28, 2012, 10:46 PM
GO SMS installed too. Those bastards sending me text SPAM.

I'm going to replace it with ADW. I already purchase ADW last year during the Google sale.

I don't really care about Go Launcher, but Go SMS is the best messaging app for Android so I don't want to uninstall that.

hyteckit
Nov 28, 2012, 11:00 PM
I don't really care about Go Launcher, but Go SMS is the best messaging app for Android so I don't want to uninstall that.

I don't have a texting plan, so I pay 25 cents per text. I'm not going keep paying them to send me text SPAM.

siiip5
Nov 28, 2012, 11:16 PM
I doubt that the iPhone 5 problems are that widespread and even more so doubt that the iPad Mini sales sucked. Try to be more objective towards all platforms.

here is a link to a Google search on iPhone 5 issues. Check the first 100 or so pages. Hell, look at the iPhone part of this forum. You are in denial if you think the iPhone doesn't have massive worldwide issues with bending, denting, scratching, lightbleed, etc issues!

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3Bcpsugrpq2&gs_nf=3&gs_rn=0&gs_ri=tablet-gws&tok=63VS_yBFh14N73Kb--5qlg&gs_is=1&cp=11&gs_id=14&xhr=t&q=iphone+5+issues&pf=p&sclient=tablet-gws&tbo=d&oq=iphone+5+is&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&fp=bd4dc22eabe95804&bpcl=39314241&biw=966&bih=559

dalbir4444
Nov 28, 2012, 11:18 PM
I don't have a texting plan, so I pay 25 cents per text. I'm not going keep paying them to send me text SPAM.

That sounds a bit expensive. I have a prepaid plan, and I get incoming texts for free and outgoing for 10 cents.

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here is a link to a Google search on iPhone 5 issues. Check the first 100 or so pages. Hell, look at the iPhone part of this forum. You are in denial if you think the iPhone doesn't have massive worldwide issues with bending, denting, scratching, lightbleed, etc issues!

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3Bcpsugrpq2&gs_nf=3&gs_rn=0&gs_ri=tablet-gws&tok=63VS_yBFh14N73Kb--5qlg&gs_is=1&cp=11&gs_id=14&xhr=t&q=iphone+5+issues&pf=p&sclient=tablet-gws&tbo=d&oq=iphone+5+is&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&fp=bd4dc22eabe95804&bpcl=39314241&biw=966&bih=559

I don't have an iPhone 5 so it really doesn't matter to me. BTW, you can replace iPhone 5 with any other phone, and you will still get a lot of search queries.

hyteckit
Nov 28, 2012, 11:38 PM
here is a link to a Google search on iPhone 5 issues. Check the first 100 or so pages. Hell, look at the iPhone part of this forum. You are in denial if you think the iPhone doesn't have massive worldwide issues with bending, denting, scratching, lightbleed, etc issues!
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Really?

Nexus 4 is out less than one month and I'm guessing there are less than 1 million owners since many people who ordered still haven't gotten theirs yet. iPhone 5 has been out for months and probably over 10 milion users.


Google "iphone 5" issues.

65,000,000 results

Google "nexus 4" issues.

26,400,000 results

Not sure what that proves.

siiip5
Nov 29, 2012, 12:02 AM
Really?

Nexus 4 is out less than one month and I'm guessing there are less than 1 million owners since many people who ordered still haven't gotten theirs yet. iPhone 5 has been out for months and probably over 10 milion users.


Google "iphone 5" issues.

65,000,000 results

Google "nexus 4" issues.

26,400,000 results

Not sure what that proves.

Let me help you out. I was responding to Mr. Denial's comment that the iphone 5's issues are not widespread. Here is what he said. And yes, iPad Mini sales figures will be pathetic this quarter. Apple is already projecting less than 1/3 to 1/2 of initial estimates. Time for that Apple stock to take another nose dive.

I doubt that the iPhone 5 problems are that widespread and even more so doubt that the iPad Mini sales sucked. Try to be more objective towards all platforms.

technowar
Nov 29, 2012, 01:51 AM
I had heard of the screen lift issues on the initial batch of the Nexus 7's, but that was resolved. There will always be some bad units in manufacturing, but I haven't heard of anywidespread speaker or pixel issues with the Nex7. Mine is perfect, as was the 16gb version I sold. The issues with the iPhone 5 are widespread and continue to persist. It bends, dents and scratches easily.

Actually batches from C60 to C90 are affected with different issues. They (Google/Asus) should have fixed all the defects on their C70 batches but they didn't.

Bends? Dents? Scratches? Do you get them right outside the box? No.

Bends - too bad iPhone does bend. So granted you apply the same force on your NX7, will it bend or break directly?

Dents/Scratches - I bet every phone will. Except if you are very careful with it.

Screen lift, dead pixels, busted speakers? Do you get them right outside the box? Yes.

Aren't you just a little carried away because you don't like iPhone or iOS?

hyteckit
Nov 29, 2012, 02:04 AM
Let me help you out. I was responding to Mr. Denial's comment that the iphone 5's issues are not widespread. Here is what he said. And yes, iPad Mini sales figures will be pathetic this quarter. Apple is already projecting less than 1/3 to 1/2 of initial estimates. Time for that Apple stock to take another nose dive.

How does that prove it's widespread? If going by your google search results.

If there are 10x more iphone 5 in used than compared to Nexus 4, but only 2.5x more results on "issues" reported, wouldn't that mean Nexus 4 problems is more widespread by than iPhone 5 by 400%?

So if 1 in 1000 iphone 5 have issues, there would be 4 in 1000 nexus 4 phones with issues.

siiip5
Nov 29, 2012, 02:32 AM
Actually batches from C60 to C90 are affected with different issues. They (Google/Asus) should have fixed all the defects on their C70 batches but they didn't.

Bends? Dents? Scratches? Do you get them right outside the box? No.

Bends - too bad iPhone does bend. So granted you apply the same force on your NX7, will it bend or break directly?

Dents/Scratches - I bet every phone will. Except if you are very careful with it.

Screen lift, dead pixels, busted speakers? Do you get them right outside the box? Yes.

Aren't you just a little carried away because you don't like iPhone or iOS?

I pre-ordered an iPhone 5. Not only did it come with dings and dents, but also a nice stain. Right out of the box! Returned it and bought a second S3. Both were perfect. And I don't use a case for my S3 and it stays in my front pocket. Unlike the crap made iPhone, I have no dings, scratches or bending issues after nearly 6 months of abuse. I bet your iPhone is in a cheap plastic case to protect it from scratches, don't you. LOL

I have bought two Nexus 7's and both were and have been perfect. Only issues I have ever seen reported with any frequency, was the screen lift issue. The iPhone 5 issues are everywhere and have been reported on by every tech news outlet. iPhone 5 is the worst iPhone ever made.

Unlike you, I live in reality and admit the issues with Android based products. You on the other hand? If it has an Apple logo, it must be perfect. All those people having issues are imagining them. :rolleyes:

hyteckit
Nov 29, 2012, 02:53 AM
Not sure if I like ADWLauncher EX. Seems lacking in features and widgets compared to GO Launcher. Will give it a try for a few days.

It does seem faster than GO Launcher though.

technowar
Nov 29, 2012, 02:57 AM
I pre-ordered an iPhone 5. Not only did it come with dings and dents, but also a nice stain. Right out of the box! Returned it and bought a second S3. Both were perfect. And I don't use a case for my S3 and it stays in my front pocket. Unlike the crap made iPhone, I have no dings, scratches or bending issues after nearly 6 months of abuse. I bet your iPhone is in a cheap plastic case to protect it from scratches, don't you. LOL

I have bought two Nexus 7's and both were and have been perfect. Only issues I have ever seen reported with any frequency, was the screen lift issue. The iPhone 5 issues are everywhere and have been reported on by every tech news outlet. iPhone 5 is the worst iPhone ever made.

Unlike you, I live in reality and admit the issues with Android based products. You on the other hand? If it has an Apple logo, it must be perfect. All those people having issues are imagining them. :rolleyes:

I must say you were bitching about the iPhone 5 you got, and decided to get an SGS3 instead. You must be one of those lucky bastards who got a problem with their pre ordered phone. Congratulations!

Oh and unlike you, I don't need to buy all the new devices in the world. I'm fine with my 4S.