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B-G
Nov 25, 2012, 05:23 PM
I recently decided to uninstall Flash on my eMac, to enhance security and to understand how this changes the browsing experience. I hope we can help each other find good strategies to use on a flash free powerpc mac, so I created this thread.
Without further ado...

The [un]safety net

What if you still need to access a website requiring Flash and not offering any html5 replacement? On intel an easy solution to this problem is installing Chrome, which comes with its own version of the Flash player. A bit of googleing reveals that you can do something similar on powerpc thanks to Camino and Omniweb. Before uninstalling the flash plugin copy it from /Library/Internet Plug-Ins to:

/Users/_YOURUSERNAME_/Library/Application Support/Camino/Internet Plug-Ins (for Camino)
/Users/_YOURUSERNAME_/Applications/OmniWeb.app/Contents/PlugIns (for Omniweb)

You will now be able to use Flash on these browsers even after you uninstall it from your system. So Camino and Omniweb can act as your emergency browsers. The _BIG_ problem is that when using them you will still be exposed to all the vulnerabilities of Flash, so use this method only as a last resort and only if you have not access to a more modern computer with an up to date version of the Flash player.

[Edit 9/6/2013]

Camino is dead. Omniweb has not been updated for a while, and its next release will not probably support PPC. Using an outdated and insecure plugin in an outdated browser would be foolish.
If you are on Leopard there is still a couple of ways to use this trick with modern browsers.
Again, do it only if you have no choice.

Seamonkey PPC
Copy the flash plugin in:
~/Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/plugins
(create the plugins folder if necessary)

Most Webkit based browsers
This only makes sense if you install the stable release of Leopard-Webkit (at the moment it is the 536 series), or if you use the "DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH=" command to launch your browser with the updated Leopard-Webkit frameworks (I can post more about this, if you want). In any other case your browser would use the outdated frameworks that comes with Safari 5.0.6.
Copy the flash plugin in:
~/Applications/_YOURAPPNAME_/Contents/plugins
(create the plugins folder if necessary)
This seems to work for most Webkit based browsers, but not for Stainless. I would recommend iCab, considering it still supports Leopard.

Problem: YouTube html5 player *****

If YouTube detects that your browser can play webm files it will serve you webm instead of h264. This is a problem if you are using Webkit based browsers and you have Perian installed *, or if your browser is TenFourFox/FireFox. Webm playback is horrible on most powerpc macs. The other problem is the dreaded autoplay. On TFF use NoScript to block YouTube html5 player, then use QuickTime enabler or one of the many FireFox add-ons to access content. For Webkit based browsers disable Perian from system preferences (or simply use MacTubes, of course). The really big exception is Safari 5, thank to its extensions. Youtube5 will replace the YT player with a much nicer html5 player. Another solution is using ClickToPlugin plus an auxiliary extension from Marc Hoyois:
https://github.com/downloads/hoyois/safariextensions/DisableYouTubeHTML5-1.1.safariextz
This will solve the webm and the autoplay issues at the same time.

* Please notice that Leopard Webkit (as the new Safari 6 does) actually masks its ability to play webm videos, so you will get h264 instead. Cool!

Using ClickToPlugin at its fullest after having uninstalled Flash

This is my favourite trick. I just love the ClickToPlugin extension, it is the reason why I've kept Safari as my default browser even when Apple completely ruined its browser on the first few releases of Lion.
If you uninstall flash in most occasions CTP will have nothing to replace. This should not be a problem, after all websites will serve html5 videos on their own, right? Wrong! On many sites wou will have to change your user agent to iPad and/or disable plugins in Safari preferences to access html5 media. This is not difficult, but the way CTP works is much more natural. Also, sometimes a website html5 player may not be as functional as Safari native player (for example no full screen option).
If you want to use all CTP features on a flash free computer, install the old ClickToFlash plugin and ClickToPlugin at the same time. Please notice that I'm referring to Jonathan Rentzsch's ClickToFlash plugin not to the Marc Hoyois' Safari extension:
http://clicktoflash.com/
It is completely counterintuitive to install two flash blocking programs on a flash free system, but it will work surprisingly well. ClicktoFlash advertises itself as the Flash player, so websites will serve flash content that will be blocked and replaced by ClickToPlugin. You will have access to more html5 videos in this way (and more easily) than by confiding in webmasters' good will.
The only problem is that you won't have access to non-media html5 replacement content. If you are on a page where this could be a problem simply disable plugins in Safari preferences, then reload the page.
Please notice that this method will not work with Safari 5.1 or newer, that is on most intel macs. Ain't it good to enjoy some powerpc specific goodness for once?

[edit] It is necessary to modify a few strings in the Info.plist file inside ClickToFlash, so that it will advertise itself as the most recent release of the Flash player. I'm going to attach a modified version of this file to this post. Copy it into /Users/_YOURUSERNAME_/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ClickToFlash.webplugin/Contents
For future reference I'm going to add the (very simple) procedure to modify the file.
Open the Info.plist file (if you installed the developers tools it will be opened by Property List Editor, if not you can still use TextEdit). The strings you'll have to modify are "CTFFlashVariableVersion" and "WebPluginDescription". At the moment the latest release of Flash Player is 11.5.502.110, so the strings should look like this:

CTFFlashVariableVersion --> MAC 11,5,502,110
WebPluginDescription --> Shockwave Flash 11.5 r502

[edit 16/1/2014: info.plist file updated to simulate the new Flash 12.0.0.38]

Let me know if this is useful to you, and please share your own tips and tricks.



kylera
Nov 25, 2012, 06:43 PM
I do this primarily on my eMac running OS 9.

There is a browser called Classilla that is being actively maintained, and one feature I like is that it has set the default user agent to a mobile browser. Getting the mobile site when applicable has made my web browsing experience so much nicer - lesser clutter. I imagine there is a way to do this on a pre-SL OS X machine, though I haven't searched around yet.

rjcalifornia
Nov 25, 2012, 07:11 PM
Well...

I like using flash with youtube. However I use Youview to watch in better quality :D

Imixmuan
Nov 25, 2012, 08:07 PM
B-G has hit it out of the park. This is a great summary for those wanting to minimize or eliminate completely the evil that is flash on PPC macs.

I use all of the above methods mentioned, but recently have grown to love click to flash and click to plugin. I even get BBC news video offered to me in Safari webkit. That's amazing! I also extensivley use viewtube, a greasemonkey (or greasekit for other webkit browsers like Omniweb and iCab) script to play youtube and a few other sites. It also uses quicktime plugin so its not inherently better than click to plugin, but it plays nicely in the browser, and sometimes I like to roll like that.

Ultimately though nothing beats Youview or Mactubes for youtube. I lost my Coreplayer install (don't ask) so no more streaming HD for me, but unlike most Americans I, as a citizen of the UK, don't feel I have a constitutional right to HD video. 360 and 480p are just fine by me. Let us not forget that Apple announced the Intel switch SIX years ago now. Six years is an eternity in tech, its utterly amazing that we can do what we do with these aging macs.

skateny
Nov 25, 2012, 08:17 PM
Let us not forget that Apple announced the Intel switch SIX years ago now. Six years is an eternity in tech, its utterly amazing that we can do what we do with these aging macs.

So true. I had surgery last week, and have been in the hospital, and then rehab. (I'm fine.) My iBook gets more attention than I do. :mad:

eyoungren
Nov 25, 2012, 08:28 PM
NoScript. NoScript allows blocking both Flash and Silverlight. No need for Click to Flash (except for the webkit browsers) or FlashBlock.

BetterPrivacy. Detects and removes LSO cookies. These are the hard to kill long term Flash cookies that remain on your drive even when you delete all other cookies.

All work in T4Fx, Aurorafox and Seamonkey.

If I need Flash video, I'll open another browser. Click to Flash will cover webkit browsers like Fluid. You can then use Fluid just for specific sites you know have Flash you need to use.

Hrududu
Nov 25, 2012, 08:39 PM
. . . Let us not forget that Apple announced the Intel switch SIX years ago now. Six years is an eternity in tech. . .
Try telling that to millions of Pentium 4 Windows XP users out there. 6 years midlife for a good chunk of the computer industry. Apple has just gotten to the point where they like to force the hand of the buyer more than ever.

Imixmuan
Nov 25, 2012, 10:28 PM
...to mention that Click to Flash makes the BBC think you have an older version of Flash than they support. If you install it alongside Click to Plugin then you have to uninstall it, then delete all your BBC related cookies to go back to the goodness of Click to Plugin, which serves most though not all of the Beeb's video up as Quicktime playable.

B-G
Nov 26, 2012, 06:41 AM
...to mention that Click to Flash makes the BBC think you have an older version of Flash than they support. If you install it alongside Click to Plugin then you have to uninstall it, then delete all your BBC related cookies to go back to the goodness of Click to Plugin, which serves most though not all of the Beeb's video up as Quicktime playable.

Sorry, I had not noticed this before. ClickToFlash plugin is advertising itself as the very old Flash 10.0.45.2. Fortunately there is a very easy and quick fix to this problem. I edited my first post to add instructions and a modified Info.plist file. The BBC site is now working again on my eMac.

B-G
Nov 26, 2012, 06:56 AM
I do this primarily on my eMac running OS 9.

There is a browser called Classilla that is being actively maintained, and one feature I like is that it has set the default user agent to a mobile browser. Getting the mobile site when applicable has made my web browsing experience so much nicer - lesser clutter. I imagine there is a way to do this on a pre-SL OS X machine, though I haven't searched around yet.

I guess the easiest way to do this on OS X would be using a browser with site specific preferences. In this way you could choose which user agent you'll present to each website. Omniweb is the first to spring to mind. Then there is iCab with its powerful content filtering features.
Another way could be using Glimmer Blocker to change your user agent at system level, but I really haven't much experience with this.

eyoungren
Nov 26, 2012, 07:01 AM
Camino has a user agent plugin. There is also a plethora of addons for User Agents with T4Fx, Aurorafox and Seamonkey.

B-G
Nov 26, 2012, 08:22 AM
Camino has a user agent plugin. There is also a plethora of addons for User Agents with T4Fx, Aurorafox and Seamonkey.

That's true! :)
What I was trying to say is that having site specific preferences allows to fine tune the behaviour of different sites, by choosing and memorizing a mobile or a desktop user agent for every webpage visited without having to change preferences every time. I never came across any add-on that does that on Gecko based browsers (it would be really great to have something like that).
By the way, it has been a while since I used Opera for the last time. Doesn't Opera offer site specific preferences too? That could be very useful for Panther users.

eyoungren
Nov 26, 2012, 01:34 PM
There is an addon I saw for the Mozilla based browsers that allows site specific UA strings, but not for Gecko.

As to Opera, yes, Opera does have site specific options. The problem here though is a catch-22.

Opera 10.20 and below are stable, but Opera has always limited it's UA string. When you mask as Firefox the best you can do is appear as Firefox 3.x. The problem with that is that a lot of sites are looking for a minimum of FF 3.5 or they don't work well. Facebook is a good example of this.

Opera 10.50 and above update the user agent. But they are unstable and the versions between 10.5 and 10.6 all have a typing bug. You start to type and it takes about ten seconds or so before the letters appear on screen. Of course it works fine on an Intel Mac, but not PowerPC. 10.63 was the last version for the PowerPC Mac and it fixed this bug, but it's also unstable.

By unstable I mean crashing. One particular nasty effect it can have is to crash but the running instance will NOT remove itself from the process list. You can kill it all day but it won't stop. When it's open like that, you can't reload Opera. The only recourse is a restart.

Jessica Lares
Nov 26, 2012, 03:05 PM
YouTube works fine on my G5? :confused: So does Flash in general and I still stick to Safari... And it's the 1.8 original model.

Using iPlayer with no issues aswell.

It's only on the iMac G4 that I use Mactubes, but otherwise I'm using Flash on it with no problems.

B-G
Nov 27, 2012, 05:22 PM
There is an addon I saw for the Mozilla based browsers that allows site specific UA strings, but not for Gecko.

As to Opera, yes, Opera does have site specific options. The problem here though is a catch-22.

Opera 10.20 and below are stable, but Opera has always limited it's UA string. When you mask as Firefox the best you can do is appear as Firefox 3.x. The problem with that is that a lot of sites are looking for a minimum of FF 3.5 or they don't work well. Facebook is a good example of this.

Opera 10.50 and above update the user agent. But they are unstable and the versions between 10.5 and 10.6 all have a typing bug. You start to type and it takes about ten seconds or so before the letters appear on screen. Of course it works fine on an Intel Mac, but not PowerPC. 10.63 was the last version for the PowerPC Mac and it fixed this bug, but it's also unstable.

By unstable I mean crashing. One particular nasty effect it can have is to crash but the running instance will NOT remove itself from the process list. You can kill it all day but it won't stop. When it's open like that, you can't reload Opera. The only recourse is a restart.

I installed Opera 10.10 and, after some research, I managed to change the user agent to a custom string. Open Opera and go to:
opera:config#ISP|Id
Input the user agent string of your choice, then save. You can test your user agent here:
http://whatsmyuseragent.com/
If I rember correctly Classilla uses the Nokia N90 user agent string. I have no idea if this is the best choice for Opera, but that's what I used in my very not comprehensive tests:

NokiaN90-1/3.0545.5.1 Series60/2.8 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1

Unfortunately I only had partial success. Some sites (YouTube, for example) still load as their desktop version.

On the other hand, when it comes to dealing with the lack of Flash Player and the weight of many websites, Opera has other extremely useful features. It has built-in userscript support, so the ViewTube script Imixmuan mentioned a few posts above works without problems. There's even a script (and a related Opera Unite application) that adds NoScript-like functionality:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=241208
http://unite.opera.com/application/641/
And considering its age (as I said I'm using version 10.10) it's surprisingly fast.

eyoungren
Nov 27, 2012, 05:35 PM
I installed Opera 10.10 and, after some research, I managed to change the user agent to a custom string. Open Opera and go to:
opera:config#ISP|Id
Input the user agent string of your choice, then save. You can test your user agent here:
http://whatsmyuseragent.com/
If I rember correctly Classilla uses the Nokia N90 user agent string. I have no idea if this is the best choice for Opera, but that's what I used in my very not comprehensive tests:

NokiaN90-1/3.0545.5.1 Series60/2.8 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1

Unfortunately I only had partial success. Some sites (YouTube, for example) still load as their desktop version.

On the other hand, when it comes to dealing with the lack of Flash Player and the weight of many websites, Opera has other extremely useful features. It has built-in userscript support, so the ViewTube script Imixmuan mentioned a few posts above works without problems. There's even a script (and a related Opera Unite application) that adds NoScript-like functionality:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=241208
http://unite.opera.com/application/641/
And considering its age (as I said I'm using version 10.10) it's surprisingly fast.
I've had no success in editing the UA string in config. Every time I do it defaults to one of the other options available.

I'm using the Unite features you mention when I use Opera. It works well with greasemonkey scripts and the userstyles you can find at userstyles.org. Those are CSS there at that site, but they offer alternate code for JS. My only problem is that JS loads last. When using Opera on Facebook I have to look at all the ads before the userjs gets loaded and my script kicks in. Not something to cry over but still annoying.

One cool thing though is that you can grab a copy of the latest userjs code from Opera and update Opera 10.x to use it. We can't use Opera 11.x or 12.x, but we can get the benefit of the latest userjs written for Opera this way.

B-G
Nov 27, 2012, 06:06 PM
I've had no success in editing the UA string in config. Every time I do it defaults to one of the other options available.

I'm using the Unite features you mention when I use Opera. It works well with greasemonkey scripts and the userstyles you can find at userstyles.org. Those are CSS there at that site, but they offer alternate code for JS. My only problem is that JS loads last. When using Opera on Facebook I have to look at all the ads before the userjs gets loaded and my script kicks in. Not something to cry over but still annoying.

Regarding the UA spoofing, check if you have enabled site specific preferences for the websites you are visiting. In that case Opera overrides the general settings.
As for the delay in JS loading, if the problem are ads the best solution I can think of is using Glimmer Blocker. I've been using it for a few months and the more I understand the way it works the more I like it. It will get rid of ads at system level, so you won't need adblocking extensions in your browsers (bonus: without AdBlock Plus TenFourFox loads much faster). There is also Privoxy, which doesn't require Java and which should work on Tiger too (I think there is even a version for Panther).

One cool thing though is that you can grab a copy of the latest userjs code from Opera and update Opera 10.x to use it. We can't use Opera 11.x or 12.x, but we can get the benefit of the latest userjs written for Opera this way.

That's extremely interesting. May I ask you to write a detailed guide about that?

eyoungren
Nov 27, 2012, 09:28 PM
I have Glimmerblocker for when I am using webkit browsers. I use ABP for the same reason with the Mozilla browsers, but I'm also a heavy user of the Elements Hider for ABP. I sacrafice some speed for getting rid of annoying things like the entire chat system on Facebook. It equals out I think because my browser is no longer loading all the pictures of friends on chat.

Why did I think you'd ask that about Opera, lol. :)

Sure. It's not that hard. I'll grab some screen shots with it and post them back. Note, I mentioned it was userjs, but the actual term is browserjs. The concept is the same as browserjs is the file that even versions above 10.x use. Therefore, if you have the same file as the current version you have the same browserjs with all the modifications.

Note that that does not mean Opera 10.x will perform in the same way as the newer versions.

You want to make sure before starting that automatic updates are turned off. Otherwise Opera will try to update you and will overwrite the browserjs file and will also turn off the setting that makes it possible to do this manually. In a worst case scenario Opera will install an Intel version of the browser. I've had that happen before.

OK. Go here. (http://www.opera.com/docs/browserjs/) Using Opera of course. This is the check page to make sure you are running the latest.

Follow the instructions for enabling browserjs.

Go here. (https://github.com/operasoftware/browserjs/) This is the repository for the latest browserjs files. Click on the button at the top marked ZIP. You will get a ZIP file containing all the browser.js files. Find the one you want (presumably from the desktop folder inside the zip file) and then follow the instructions below.

Go to your Opera Preferences. Mine are located here: Macintosh HD>Username>Users>~username>Library>Preferences>Opera Preferences. Find the file already there named browser.js and move it to a place safe. Rename the new file browser.js and copy it to the preferences.

Don't open the browser.js file, don't edit it, don't do anything with it other than rename it. It's self contained and any messing with it will cause it not to work.

Reload the first page I linked to above. If you have done this right you will see the new version number and the date of the change.

See the last pic and the first pic to compare dates and you'll see that I updated the browser.js file.

B-G
Nov 28, 2012, 11:46 AM
I have Glimmerblocker for when I am using webkit browsers. I use ABP for the same reason with the Mozilla browsers, but I'm also a heavy user of the Elements Hider for ABP. I sacrafice some speed for getting rid of annoying things like the entire chat system on Facebook. It equals out I think because my browser is no longer loading all the pictures of friends on chat.

Why did I think you'd ask that about Opera, lol. :)

Sure. It's not that hard. I'll grab some screen shots with it and post them back. Note, I mentioned it was userjs, but the actual term is browserjs. The concept is the same as browserjs is the file that even versions above 10.x use. Therefore, if you have the same file as the current version you have the same browserjs with all the modifications.

Note that that does not mean Opera 10.x will perform in the same way as the newer versions.

You want to make sure before starting that automatic updates are turned off. Otherwise Opera will try to update you and will overwrite the browserjs file and will also turn off the setting that makes it possible to do this manually. In a worst case scenario Opera will install an Intel version of the browser. I've had that happen before.

OK. Go here. (http://www.opera.com/docs/browserjs/) Using Opera of course. This is the check page to make sure you are running the latest.

Follow the instructions for enabling browserjs.

Go here. (https://github.com/operasoftware/browserjs/) This is the repository for the latest browserjs files. Click on the button at the top marked ZIP. You will get a ZIP file containing all the browser.js files. Find the one you want (presumably from the desktop folder inside the zip file) and then follow the instructions below.

Go to your Opera Preferences. Mine are located here: Macintosh HD>Username>Users>~username>Library>Preferences>Opera Preferences. Find the file already there named browser.js and move it to a place safe. Rename the new file browser.js and copy it to the preferences.

Don't open the browser.js file, don't edit it, don't do anything with it other than rename it. It's self contained and any messing with it will cause it not to work.

Reload the first page I linked to above. If you have done this right you will see the new version number and the date of the change.

See the last pic and the first pic to compare dates and you'll see that I updated the browser.js file.

Great post!
This is a cool Opera feature I didn't know about. Thank you again for your help.

B-G
Jan 6, 2013, 06:07 PM
Wildy posted a way to enable permanent user agent spoofing for all browsers:

Link (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1520523)

It's a GlimmerBlocker filter that will make websites see your browsers as mobile Safari on iPad. In this way you will be able to easily access html5 media. It is also a particularly good way to use Google streetview without Flash (by the way, viewstreetnoflash.com doesn't work anymore).
If you want your browsers to behave like Classilla, you could use the Nokia N90 user agent instead of the iPad one.

I think that something similar could be done using Privoxy, which doesn't require Java and runs not only on Leopard but (if I remember correctly) on Panther, Tiger and Linux too. Unfortunately at the moment I can't dedicate time to experimenting with Privoxy...:(

Lil Chillbil
Jan 6, 2013, 06:21 PM
I say powerpc will be dead by the year 2014 by that time most websites will actually be using 11.5 and you won't be able to fake it anymore :(


For those of you (including me :p) who will try to beat the odds and go on beyond that I wish you good luck

eyoungren
Jan 6, 2013, 06:59 PM
Wildy posted a way to enable permanent user agent spoofing for all browsers:

Link (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1520523)

It's a GlimmerBlocker filter that will make websites see your browsers as mobile Safari on iPad. In this way you will be able to easily access html5 media. It is also a particularly good way to use Google streetview without Flash (by the way, viewstreetnoflash.com doesn't work anymore).
If you want your browsers to behave like Classilla, you could use the Nokia N90 user agent instead of the iPad one.

I think that something similar could be done using Privoxy, which doesn't require Java and runs not only on Leopard but (if I remember correctly) on Panther, Tiger and Linux too. Unfortunately at the moment I can't dedicate time to experimenting with Privoxy...:(
Mozilla based browsers, user agents. This. (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/)

Very easy to use and you can switch to whatever you want on the fly. You can also create your own user agent and add it.

B-G
Jan 7, 2013, 07:41 PM
Mozilla based browsers, user agents. This. (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/)

Very easy to use and you can switch to whatever you want on the fly. You can also create your own user agent and add it.

This should be very useful for people using TenFourFox on older macs. For example, using the Nokia N90 user agent it's immediate to find links to .3gp video files on mobile youtube.
Thank you!

skinniezinho
Jan 9, 2013, 07:12 PM
Mozilla based browsers, user agents. This. (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/)

Very easy to use and you can switch to whatever you want on the fly. You can also create your own user agent and add it.

Guess our best bet is useragents.
There are sites that were supposed to be light and still lag on my G4: google groups, google reader...
I bet that with user agent for ipad or android it is fine.
Facebook is another one.
Another bet is turning the webapps into "native" apps like here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1522414

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1459249&highlight=fluid

altough I guess it is not as effective as user agents.

MisterKeeks
Jan 9, 2013, 07:27 PM
There are sites that were supposed to be light and still lag on my G4: google groups, google reader...

Google Groups is horrible on any G5 I've used it with. Lots of beachballs when using the back button.

eyoungren
Jan 9, 2013, 07:58 PM
Guess our best bet is useragents.
There are sites that were supposed to be light and still lag on my G4: google groups, google reader...
I bet that with user agent for ipad or android it is fine.
Facebook is another one.
Another bet is turning the webapps into "native" apps like here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1522414

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1459249&highlight=fluid

altough I guess it is not as effective as user agents.
Google (and associated sites) uses a lot of javascript (believe it or not). They also make a lot of calls to Youtube and some other support sites (ytimage, gstatic, etc). You can accept those with the Request Policy addon and use No Script to block any JS coming from those sites.

The same applies to Facebook. I use Request Policy to allow communication between the servers FB needs to access, but use No Script to block any unnecessary JS.

I've also got an addon called Block Site that will cut off any site in it's blacklist period. I use that to kill a lot of the analytics sites (another thing that slows down websites) out there.

You'd be surprised at how much these sites speed up when you start blocking unnecessary stuff.

skinniezinho
Jan 9, 2013, 07:59 PM
Google Groups is horrible on any G5 I've used it with. Lots of beachballs when using the back button.

So how do you see "so many" people in Low End Mac groups saying their only computer is like a G3 or a G4 running 10.3 or 10.4 ,posting on google groups?
Old browser=different useragents=faster sites?

eyoungren
Jan 9, 2013, 08:16 PM
So how do you see "so many" people in Low End Mac groups saying their only computer is like a G3 or a G4 running 10.3 or 10.4 ,posting on google groups?
Old browser=different useragents=faster sites?
Not exactly. A different UA means that the website will serve up a different version to the browser. If you are using a Nokia phone UA for example, you'll get a basic website served to you and not something heavy with javascript.

So, old browser+different UA equals different version of website.

MisterKeeks
Jan 9, 2013, 09:08 PM
So, old browser+different UA equals different version of website.

Which could possibly mean a faster version of the website.

eyoungren
Jan 9, 2013, 09:18 PM
Which could possibly mean a faster version of the website.
Hmmm…ok, we're probably looking at the same thing from two different viewpoints. You are seeing UAs delivering a faster version of the website whilst I am seeing a different version of the website - which because it may be less intensive can be delivered faster.

OK, we are on the same page now I think.

MisterKeeks
Jan 9, 2013, 10:21 PM
Hmmm…ok, we're probably looking at the same thing from two different viewpoints. You are seeing UAs delivering a faster version of the website whilst I am seeing a different version of the website - which because it may be less intensive can be delivered faster.

OK, we are on the same page now I think.

Just as long as it's faster!

Wildy
Jan 10, 2013, 09:21 AM
eyoungren is correct, take a look at how much JavaScript is being loaded on the average website - there is so much stuff which is absolutely unnecessary (tracking, analytics, social media, ads etc.) which has a detrimental effect on performance.

You can block the majority of JS on most sites and it will have no effect on the functionality.

Javelin Dan
Jan 10, 2013, 09:35 AM
Well, as the only “non-Mac” Mac guy around these parts (I use Ubuntu on my Ppc Macs); I’ll weigh in with what I do. These are admittedly low tech solutions that match my skill level, but they work for me. There are two pieces of software in the repository called “gnash” and “gnash common”. They both come installed by default in the full blown Ubuntu 12.04 Ppc. Version, but if I’m not mistaken, you have to install them in Lubuntu 12.04 Ppc. (lightweight version). This is an open source flash player that will play most, but not all videos. On my wife’s G4 emac with a 1Ghz processor, the videos that do play are somewhat choppy and halting, but overall watchable. On my older G4 Graphics “Sawtooth” with a 450 Mhz. processor, they load up extremely slowly and play like a very ponderous slide show. I’ve always wondered how well they might play on a G5 or something with an upgraded processor.

Anyway, not having the patience for all that, I go a different route. I use Firefox as my browser and as most of you know, it has a ton of add-ons available. My favorite downloading tool is “Video Download Helper”. It will absolutely work on all Youtube videos as well as many others, although not all. Download time is about the same as running the video for the first time, but when done, you have a nice little MV4 file put safely away in a special file (automatically created). No hurky-jerkiness, no buffering, just a nice little video of very high quality resolution (depending on the quality of the recording, of course) that you can replay over and over. Though I've never taken the time to figure out how to do it, there is also supposed to be an option to stream a video via "VLC".

Would I prefer to be able to play videos directly through Flash? Sure. I’ve thought more than once about reloading 10.3 Panther on my wife’s emac and running one of the “retro-fit” browsers with Flash. But since she uses this for on-line banking, etc., I just don’t feel good about exposing it to all the inherent security risks. And I still have a stinging memory of that little beach ball spinning endlessly as my Mac got slower and slower telling me it was time for a complete re-installation of the OS. This has NEVER happened with Ubuntu.

I know I’m way outnumbered here, and far be it from me to try to persuade someone away from their pursuit of interest, but if in fact the window is closing on options for the powerpc Macs running "OS 10-whatever" that hasn’t been updated in how many years?, Ubuntu DOES offer an alternative with a modern OS that is updated regularly for security and bug fixes. And do I need to remind you that this is all free? Free as in Braveheart and free as in beer. I’m just sayin’…

B-G
Feb 2, 2013, 03:16 PM
This is for ClickToPlugin users. While on intel macs you can access flv replacement videos from CTP, on powerpc the source selector menu will only show you the mp4 ones. That's because QuickTime won't reveal to websites its ability to play flv, even when Perian is installed.
Tobias Netzel has found a way to solve this problem, using a script that modifies QuickTime info.plist file. CTP now works in the same way it does on intel macs. You'll now be able to access replacement content on more sites than before. Slower macs will also have the option to access 240p videos on YouTube. 480p plays fine on the eMac in my signature, so it shouldn't be a problem on anything with similar or better performance.

You can find the script here (http://code.google.com/p/leopard-webkit/issues/detail?id=45&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Owner%20Summary%20Modified)

eyoungren
Feb 2, 2013, 03:35 PM
This is for ClickToPlugin users. While on intel macs you can access flv replacement videos from CTP, on powerpc the source selector menu will only show you the mp4 ones. That's because QuickTime won't reveal to websites its ability to play flv, even when Perian is installed.
Tobias Netzel has found a way to solve this problem, using a script that modifies QuickTime info.plist file. CTP now works in the same way it does on intel macs. You'll now be able to access replacement content on more sites than before. Slower macs will also have the option to access 240p videos on YouTube. 480p plays fine on the eMac in my signature, so it shouldn't be a problem on anything with similar or better performance.

You can find the script here (http://code.google.com/p/leopard-webkit/issues/detail?id=45&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Owner%20Summary%20Modified)
I keep getting an error each time I try to download it. Maybe he took it offline?

B-G
Feb 2, 2013, 03:51 PM
It's working fine for me. :confused:
Be sure to download the updated version of the script in message 5.

eyoungren
Feb 2, 2013, 04:01 PM
It's working fine for me. :confused:
Be sure to download the updated version of the script in message 5.
Got it working. No idea why but it did not want to download in Aurorafox. So, I used Safari. Unzipped and it installed fine. Thanks!

B-G
Feb 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
Another good alternative to Flash-based Google Street View:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/

I found the link on macpowerpc.com

rjcalifornia
Feb 12, 2013, 06:39 AM
So how do you see "so many" people in Low End Mac groups saying their only computer is like a G3 or a G4 running 10.3 or 10.4 ,posting on google groups?
Old browser=different useragents=faster sites?

ugh I hate google groups, even on my AMD pc.

Lil Chillbil
Feb 13, 2013, 02:43 PM
So now it looks like flash player just updated to 10.6

MisterKeeks
Feb 14, 2013, 05:46 PM
so now it looks like flash player just updated to 10.6

11.6

B-G
Feb 14, 2013, 07:13 PM
New info.plist file for the ClickToFlash plugin. It now simulates Flash 11.6.602.167
To download the file see the first post.

PowerPCMacMan
Feb 15, 2013, 03:18 AM
Hello,

Ok, once I applied the new settings, flash player version is still saying 11.5.502 ?? forgot the rest.. Its NOT saying 11.6.602.167

Help!

I revised strings in all the plists and yet it still says the older version 11.5


New info.plist file for the ClickToFlash plugin. It now simulates Flash 11.6.602.167
To download the file see the first post.

B-G
Feb 15, 2013, 03:11 PM
Just to avoid a possible misunderstanding (I apologize to you if I got your post wrong), is the Flash Player still installed on your system? I don't know if that could cause problems with the method I'm suggesting (on paper it shouldn't, because it would correspond to a normal use of the ClickToFlash plugin).
I reinstalled the file attached to the first post to check if it's working properly. Safari "installed plugin" page in the help menu and several internet pages (like this one (http://www.whatismyflash.com/)) are correctly reporting the installed Flash version as 11.6.602. Be sure to unzip that file in /Users/_YOURUSERNAME_/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ClickToFlash.webplugin/Contents , replacing the original file in ClickToFlash. Maybe emptying the cache will help (but on my machine this wasn't necessary). If it still doesn't work try modifying the info.plist file manually, using the instructions in the first post. Sorry not to be of more help.

PowerPCMacMan
Feb 15, 2013, 03:32 PM
Yeah, still says 11.5.502. or just version 11.5 - I checked all my settings and they all say 11.6.602. but it still comes up as 11.5


Just to avoid a possible misunderstanding (I apologize to you if I got your post wrong), is the Flash Player still installed on your system? I don't know if that could cause problems with the method I'm suggesting (on paper it shouldn't, because it would correspond to a normal use of the ClickToFlash plugin).
I reinstalled the file attached to the first post to check if it's working properly. Safari "installed plugin" page in the help menu and several internet pages (like this one (http://www.whatismyflash.com/)) are correctly reporting the installed Flash version as 11.6.602. Be sure to unzip that file in /Users/_YOURUSERNAME_/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ClickToFlash.webplugin/Contents , replacing the original file in ClickToFlash. Maybe emptying the cache will help (but on my machine this wasn't necessary). If it still doesn't work try modifying the info.plist file manually, using the instructions in the first post. Sorry not to be of more help.

B-G
Feb 15, 2013, 04:17 PM
What does the "installed plugin" page in Safari help menu exactly say? If you have both the Flash Player and ClickToFlash installed you should see two entries for Shockwave Player. Does it report version 11.5 for both of them?

PowerPCMacMan
Feb 15, 2013, 05:55 PM
Ok, here is what it says:

Shockwave Flash
Shockwave Flash 11.6 r602 — from file “ClickToFlash.webplugin”.
MIME Type Description Extensions
application/x-shockwave-flash ClickToFlash 1.6b9 swf
Shockwave Flash
Shockwave Flash 11.6 r602 — from file “Flash Player.plugin”.
MIME Type Description Extensions
application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl
application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf
Shockwave for Director
Adobe Shockwave for Director Netscape plug-in, version 11.6.8 — from file “DirectorShockwave.plugin”.


But yet its still coming up as 11.5 through adobe's website and the one you said for me to go.


What does the "installed plugin" page in Safari help
menu exactly say? If you have both the Flash Player and ClickToFlash installed you should see two entries for Shockwave Player. Does it report version 11.5 for both of them?

B-G
Feb 15, 2013, 07:19 PM
As I thought there is a misunderstanding. The file attached to the first post is simply meant to be used as an update to the very old Info.plist which comes with the ClickToFlash plugin. It won't alter the way the Flash Player will report itself to webpages. Those entries in the "installed plugin" page tell me that the update was successful.
The idea here is to force the ClickToPlugin Safari extension to show HTML5 replacement media even when Flash has been uninstalled from your system. In that case ClickToPlugin would not ordinarily find replacement content, simply because when Flash is not installed websites won't offer you flash media, and CTP won't have anything to replace. That's when the old ClickToFlash plugin comes into play. It basically tells websites: "Hey look! I'm a nice Flash Player! Give me all your media. I will play it painfully slowly, I will overload the CPU and I will condemn old Macs users to an existence of anger and sorrow! BWAHAHAHAH!!!". Then webpages will reply: "Oh Flash Player, you look so sexy! Take all our videos. We could offer HTML5 in the first place, but we will do so only for iPad users! AHAHAHAH!!!!" At this point ClickToPlugin will sneak in and say: "Fooools! You thought I was gone and vanquished, but here I am. Your HTML5 is mine!".
Game over. PPC users win! :)
Kidding aside, if you keep the Flash Player installed on your system you won't need the ClickToFlash plugin at all (unless, of course, you want to use webkit based browsers other than Safari/Leopard Webkit). ClickToPlugin will simply work flawlessly, in the plain and ordinary way.

If you want to update your Flash Player hack, so that it will report to be Flash 11.6, the file I attached to the first post won't be of any help to you. You will need to modify a few files inside the Flash plugin bundle.
And even if many webpages will believe you have a newer version of Flash, you won't still be able to fool the Adobe site (nor the one I linked above).
Good news is that on many sites you won't need the Flash Player at all. The method I'm suggesting coupled with user agent spoofing on sites not supported by ClickToPlugin (see Wildy's Glimmer Blocker filter rules in post 20 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16617494&postcount=20)) will give you very good results when using Safari/Leopard Webkit.
Even if I uninstalled Flash from my system, I keep a local installation in Camino (see first post), just in case I may need it on this machine. I've not used it in months! Literally! Even on my Intel mac it's rare I have to use Flash. CTP is that good!

PowerPCMacMan
Feb 15, 2013, 08:12 PM
Ok, on my G5 Quad, PowerBook G4 DLSD I use as my main browser and don't know why, Leopard Webkit(latest build). Even before 11.6 was introduced my flash player and quicktime always worked perfectly and luckily it still does work perfectly.

So, really if I can't get Adobe's site to show 11.6 version but yet in the plugins under Safari Webkit you saw with your own eyes: 11.6.602.167 and nothing 11.5, then can I assume its running 11.6?

Shockwave seems to work very well also.. While on my Quad G5 I use both flash and Quicktime player to view videos and movies, while on my PB G4 1.67 I use always Quicktime at high resolution and it never hiccups and or the CPU never spikes upwards.

So, at this point I won't worry about it as I seem to be able to watch anything and everything without this update.

Just that it was weird as to why 11.6 wasn't appearing at all and 11.5 was. None of the info.plists I have include 11.5.. unless Adobe and your website to check version are pulling it out of nowhere.



As I thought there is a misunderstanding. The file attached to the first post is simply meant to be used as an update to the very old Info.plist which comes with the ClickToFlash plugin. It won't alter the way the Flash Player will report itself to webpages. Those entries in the "installed plugin" page tell me that the update was successful.
The idea here is to force the ClickToPlugin Safari extension to show HTML5 replacement media even when Flash has been uninstalled from your system. In that case ClickToPlugin would not ordinarily find replacement content, simply because when Flash is not installed websites won't offer you flash media, and CTP won't have anything to replace. That's when the old ClickToFlash plugin comes into play. It basically tells websites: "Hey look! I'm a nice Flash Player! Give me all your media. I will play it painfully slowly, I will overload the CPU and I will condemn old Macs users to an existence of anger and sorrow! BWAHAHAHAH!!!". Then webpages will reply: "Oh Flash Player, you look so sexy! Take all our videos. We could offer HTML5 in the first place, but we will do so only for iPad users! AHAHAHAH!!!!" At this point ClickToPlugin will sneak in and say: "Fooools! You thought I was gone and vanquished, but here I am. Your HTML5 is mine!".
Game over. PPC users win! :)
Kidding aside, if you keep the Flash Player installed on your system you won't need the ClickToFlash plugin at all (unless, of course you want to use webkit based browsers other than Safari/Leopard Webkit). ClickToPlugin will simply work flawlessly, in the plain and ordinary way.

If you want to update your Flash Player hack, so that it will report to be Flash 11.6, the file I attached to the first post won't be of any help to you. You will need to modify a few files inside the Flash plugin bundle.
And even if many webpages will believe you have a newer version of Flash, you won't still be able to fool the Adobe site (nor the one I linked above).
Good news is that on many sites you won't need the Flash Player at all. The method I'm suggesting coupled with user agent spoofing on sites not supported by ClickToPlugin (see Wildy's Glimmer Blocker filter rules in post 20 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16617494&postcount=20)) will give you very good results when using Safari/Leopard Webkit.
Even if I uninstalled Flash from my system, I keep a local installation in Camino (see first post), just in case I may need it on this machine. I've not used it in months! Literally! Even on my Intel mac it's rare I have to use Flash. CTP is that good!

B-G
Feb 15, 2013, 08:47 PM
If you use TextEdit to open the Flash Player executables (they should be in the MacOS folder inside the FP bundle) and you use the search and replace feature, you will see that there are several references to the plugin release. Do not alter them! I tried and Flash would not work anymore. I assume that the Adobe website reads the player version from those references, so you will not be able to fool it by changing the strings in the .plist and .rsrc files. Luckily this doesn't seem to be true for sites like Youtube, that will see your hacked FP as version 11.6
So you should still be able to use flash on most sites (but please, please be careful ;) ).

PowerPCMacMan
Feb 15, 2013, 09:54 PM
Ok, what sites would I have trouble with viewing flash video? Youtube is about 95 percent where I am at when watching videos and movies, as well as flash games + shockwave games, but exactly which sites would give me a problem?



If you use TextEdit to open the Flash Player executables (they should be in the MacOS folder inside the FP bundle) and you use the search and replace feature, you will see that there are several references to the plugin release. Do not alter them! I tried and Flash would not work anymore. I assume that the Adobe website reads the player version from those references, so you will not be able to fool it by changing the strings in the .plist and .rsrc files. Luckily this doesn't seem to be true for sites like Youtube, that will see your hacked FP as version 11.6
So you should still be able to use flash on most sites (but please, please be careful ;) ).

B-G
Feb 16, 2013, 02:51 PM
Well, considering that, at best, my use of the hacked Flash plugin can be defined as sporadic, I really can't answer that question. Sorry.

GermanyChris
Feb 16, 2013, 04:33 PM
Well, as the only “non-Mac” Mac guy around these parts (I use Ubuntu on my Ppc Macs); I’ll weigh in with what I do. These are admittedly low tech solutions that match my skill level, but they work for me. There are two pieces of software in the repository called “gnash” and “gnash common”. They both come installed by default in the full blown Ubuntu 12.04 Ppc. Version, but if I’m not mistaken, you have to install them in Lubuntu 12.04 Ppc. (lightweight version). This is an open source flash player that will play most, but not all videos. On my wife’s G4 emac with a 1Ghz processor, the videos that do play are somewhat choppy and halting, but overall watchable. On my older G4 Graphics “Sawtooth” with a 450 Mhz. processor, they load up extremely slowly and play like a very ponderous slide show. I’ve always wondered how well they might play on a G5 or something with an upgraded processor.

Anyway, not having the patience for all that, I go a different route. I use Firefox as my browser and as most of you know, it has a ton of add-ons available. My favorite downloading tool is “Video Download Helper”. It will absolutely work on all Youtube videos as well as many others, although not all. Download time is about the same as running the video for the first time, but when done, you have a nice little MV4 file put safely away in a special file (automatically created). No hurky-jerkiness, no buffering, just a nice little video of very high quality resolution (depending on the quality of the recording, of course) that you can replay over and over. Though I've never taken the time to figure out how to do it, there is also supposed to be an option to stream a video via "VLC".

Would I prefer to be able to play videos directly through Flash? Sure. I’ve thought more than once about reloading 10.3 Panther on my wife’s emac and running one of the “retro-fit” browsers with Flash. But since she uses this for on-line banking, etc., I just don’t feel good about exposing it to all the inherent security risks. And I still have a stinging memory of that little beach ball spinning endlessly as my Mac got slower and slower telling me it was time for a complete re-installation of the OS. This has NEVER happened with Ubuntu.

I know I’m way outnumbered here, and far be it from me to try to persuade someone away from their pursuit of interest, but if in fact the window is closing on options for the powerpc Macs running "OS 10-whatever" that hasn’t been updated in how many years?, Ubuntu DOES offer an alternative with a modern OS that is updated regularly for security and bug fixes. And do I need to remind you that this is all free? Free as in Braveheart and free as in beer. I’m just sayin’…

This is a big reason I like Firefox

PowerPCMacMan
Feb 16, 2013, 05:20 PM
Flash is working great!!! While it is identified as 11.6.602.167 under plugins, it still works as it should.. But really on my PB G4 1.67 I use quicktime, and on my G5 Quad I use flash.



Well, considering that, at best, my use of the hacked Flash plugin can be defined as sporadic, I really can't answer that question. Sorry.

B-G
May 25, 2013, 03:14 PM
Flash 11.7.700.203 is out. I updated the info.plist file in the first post.

rabidz7
May 25, 2013, 06:42 PM
Use mactubes!

Cox Orange
May 26, 2013, 11:25 AM
Flash 11.7.700.203 is out. I updated the info.plist file in the first post.

Where do I have to put it. The info.plist for 10.5 worked for me and I did put the 7 thing there, too (replacing the old). But your info.plist has a white icon. My old info.plist has a grey icon with "exec" written in neon green in it and is described as "unix-executable file".

B-G
May 26, 2013, 01:08 PM
It should indeed have a white icon (and if you installed the developer tools it should have "PLIST" written in black on it).
It goes into /Users/_YOURUSERNAME_/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ClickToFlash.webplugin/Contents

Cox Orange
May 27, 2013, 12:36 PM
It should indeed have a white icon (and if you installed the developer tools it should have "PLIST" written in black on it).
It goes into /Users/_YOURUSERNAME_/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ClickToFlash.webplugin/Contents

I did put it there. That's the same direction as I did put the 11.5 thing to. I also removed the 11.5 thing first. But Adobe still says I have 11.5 installed. I tested it here http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html

Ah, wait I did not put it in click-to-flash, because I do not have this installed. Hm, I guess than I have to stay at 11.5.something or install click-to-flash. Thanks!

I used this by the way http://scriptogr.am/nordkril/post/adobe-flash-11.5-for-powerpc

Wildy
May 28, 2013, 02:17 AM
Someone has saved me the task of having to redo my 11.5 plugin. You can find 11.7 here: http://www.steelbin.com/FPforFBPPC.zip

Jethryn Freyman
May 28, 2013, 06:15 AM
Screw Flash, it's uninstalled from every Mac from 10.4 to 10.8 I own. Nothing worthwhile isn't available in another form.

MrPilot
May 28, 2013, 06:21 AM
Someone has saved me the task of having to redo my 11.5 plugin. You can find 11.7 here: http://www.steelbin.com/FPforFBPPC.zip

ohh ffs!

I had 11.5 showing up (maybe yours?) but after installing that "11.7" the flash version checker page now states I'm using 11.1.102.55

boooh

Btw, I can just edit the files inside the flash player with some hex editor or something? Or do I need to download the intel flash and just replace the main flash player .rsc?

Wildy
May 28, 2013, 03:54 PM
Hmm, that's weird - he said he'd updated his. You can always use mine as a fall-back. It's ont a complicated task at all - you just need to go in with a hex editor and replace the occurrences of 10.1 with 11.7. There's probably only a couple which actually matter, but I was a bit lazy and didn't bother to test for which ones these were. Instead I just replaced the whole lot - probably better for consistency anyway. If his isn't working I'll release an 11.7 in a week or two once I've finished finals.

If you do it yourself, be aware that there are many variations on 10.1 which you must replace (ie. 10,1 etc.).

Jessica Lares
May 28, 2013, 04:38 PM
Screw Flash, it's uninstalled from every Mac from 10.4 to 10.8 I own. Nothing worthwhile isn't available in another form.

Same here. And I'm on an Intel running Mountain Lion. :p

MrPilot
May 30, 2013, 06:19 AM
Hmm, that's weird - he said he'd updated his. You can always use mine as a fall-back. It's ont a complicated task at all - you just need to go in with a hex editor and replace the occurrences of 10.1 with 11.7. There's probably only a couple which actually matter, but I was a bit lazy and didn't bother to test for which ones these were. Instead I just replaced the whole lot - probably better for consistency anyway. If his isn't working I'll release an 11.7 in a week or two once I've finished finals.

If you do it yourself, be aware that there are many variations on 10.1 which you must replace (ie. 10,1 etc.).

Ah, ok I was actually on the right path then :) If you get the time, please by all means, don't hesitate to do it :D

Take care

B-G
Jun 9, 2013, 05:46 PM
Camino is dead, and this makes the "[un]safety net" trick even more unsafe. Edited the first post to suggest the use of more modern browsers, instead.

wobegong
Jun 9, 2013, 10:44 PM
Use Roccat browser with no fancy tricks or fake Flash versions and everything works great so far. Often view BBC site flash contents (though to be honest I don't look at much flash stuff) no problems.

Use Mactubes for Youtube.

Imixmuan
Jun 10, 2013, 07:27 PM
...is a greasemonkey script that ignores flash and uses a plugin (Quicktime on OS X, gnome Mplayer on Linux) to stream youtube and a few other sites like dailymotion. Yawn. Boring, right?

Well, some enterprising folks over at userscripts.org have begun to extend viewtube''s reach by modifying it. Viewtube plus for instance is a script uses the same concept and plugins to stream, lets just say, many other popular websites. I will leave it at that.

The Viewtube VLC script uses VLC's Firefox plugin, and is very fast in Linux. Like, it loads fast, plays the video right away (mplayer has to load 20% of the video into cache before it plays) and even plays high def streams (well, 720p, which mplayer's plugin chokes on) on a Dell 1.4 ghz running Linux Mint 12. I haven't tried it in OS X, but I suspect it would work decently on a fast Powerbook or G4/G5. If there is a VLC mozilla plugin for PowerPC macs, which I don't know if there is.

None of this replaces Flash completely, but if you have a PowerPC machine running OS X or Linux, you owe it to yourself and your 'puter to check out viewtube. Is good. Very good.

Cox Orange
Jun 11, 2013, 06:17 AM
Use Roccat browser with no fancy tricks or fake Flash versions and everything works great so far. Often view BBC site flash contents (though to be honest I don't look at much flash stuff) no problems.

Use Mactubes for Youtube.
If you want a test:
- go to bonprix.de (shopping site) and look, if the pictures get a constant loading cycle or if you can see them
- go to sportschau.de and look, if they tell you, you need the newest flash for watching sports clips.
- go to http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd_list.php and see if it tells you a script is not answering.
- navigate through you Ebay account, everything smooth?

wobegong
Jun 11, 2013, 06:38 AM
If you want a test:
- go to bonprix.de (shopping site) and look, if the pictures get a constant loading cycle or if you can see them
- go to sportschau.de and look, if they tell you, you need the newest flash for watching sports clips.
- go to http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd_list.php and see if it tells you a script is not answering.
- navigate through you Ebay account, everything smooth?

Well eBay is certainly fine, I'll test the other three when I get back.
What I like about Roccat is that it never crashes, its actively developed, it has iOS browsers which are linked via their cloud system to your PowerPC browser for syncing tabs etc. and it's fast. Also used their developers for an issue and their responses were almost be return and ended up giving me the new 3.4 version early as this solved the issue I was having (turned out to be a PPC specific menu rendering problem). I now use Roccat Connect on my iPhone and iPad and these are linked to my Roccat Browser on the G5 and MBP. How 'supported' do you want a PPC browser to be in 2013?

wobegong
Jun 11, 2013, 01:02 PM
If you want a test:
- go to bonprix.de (shopping site) and look, if the pictures get a constant loading cycle or if you can see them
- go to sportschau.de and look, if they tell you, you need the newest flash for watching sports clips.
- go to http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd_list.php and see if it tells you a script is not answering.
- navigate through you Ebay account, everything smooth?

Reasonably happy to report that all the above sites work perfectly with the exception of sportschau.de where the spinning circle when the video loads just keeps spinning and no video actually shows.

GermanyChris
Jun 12, 2013, 09:20 AM
If you want a test:
- go to bonprix.de (shopping site) and look, if the pictures get a constant loading cycle or if you can see them
- go to sportschau.de and look, if they tell you, you need the newest flash for watching sports clips.
- go to http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd_list.php and see if it tells you a script is not answering.
- navigate through you Ebay account, everything smooth?

Why were you on Bon Prix??

Goftrey
Jun 12, 2013, 09:41 AM
If you want a test:
- go to bonprix.de (shopping site) and look, if the pictures get a constant loading cycle or if you can see them

Are you a chick or do you just like to dress up?

GermanyChris
Jun 12, 2013, 09:56 AM
Are you a chick or do you just like to dress up?

that puts it a bit more plainly :p

B-G
Jun 13, 2013, 07:05 PM
...is a greasemonkey script that ignores flash and uses a plugin (Quicktime on OS X, gnome Mplayer on Linux) to stream youtube and a few other sites like dailymotion. Yawn. Boring, right?

Well, some enterprising folks over at userscripts.org have begun to extend viewtube''s reach by modifying it. Viewtube plus for instance is a script uses the same concept and plugins to stream, lets just say, many other popular websites. I will leave it at that.

The Viewtube VLC script uses VLC's Firefox plugin, and is very fast in Linux. Like, it loads fast, plays the video right away (mplayer has to load 20% of the video into cache before it plays) and even plays high def streams (well, 720p, which mplayer's plugin chokes on) on a Dell 1.4 ghz running Linux Mint 12. I haven't tried it in OS X, but I suspect it would work decently on a fast Powerbook or G4/G5. If there is a VLC mozilla plugin for PowerPC macs, which I don't know if there is.

None of this replaces Flash completely, but if you have a PowerPC machine running OS X or Linux, you owe it to yourself and your 'puter to check out viewtube. Is good. Very good.

There is an old VLC plugin for Leopard, but I believe it only works in Firefox. For us that would mean TenFourFox, but TFF does not support plugins ... :(
Sooner or later I'm going to try this in Linux. The only reason I still didn't install it on my eMac is that I've been very busy in the past few months.

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Use Roccat browser with no fancy tricks or fake Flash versions and everything works great so far. Often view BBC site flash contents (though to be honest I don't look at much flash stuff) no problems.

Use Mactubes for Youtube.

While I don't regularly use Roccat, I admire its developers' dedication.
The problem with Roccat and most of the other Webkit based browsers is that out of the box they use the outdated, Apple supplied frameworks that came with Safari 5.0.6. This means that, even if the browser is regularly updated, its engine is not.
Fortunately there is an easy solution to this problem, and that is installing the stable release of Leopard Webkit (at the moment it is 536.28.8; series 537 is fine to use as a stand-alone application but it is known to cause stability problems if installed). This will make the frameworks inside L-W the new system default. Roccat and all the other Webkit based applications (Mail and Dashboard included) will get more secure and noticeably faster. You will also get a working fullscreen option when using html5 players.
As for Flash, even if you don't care about the security problems, it still performs poorly when compared to most of the alternatives. As Imixmuan said ViewTube (http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/87011) is very good. Considering Roccat has native support for userscripts, you will only need a few clicks to try it in your favourite browser (even less if you use Geekmonkey (http://surber.us/2006/04/14/geekmonkey/) to launch ViewTube as a bookmarklet).

Cox Orange
Jun 14, 2013, 07:24 AM
Reasonably happy to report that all the above sites work perfectly with the exception of sportschau.de where the spinning circle when the video loads just keeps spinning and no video actually shows.
Thank you!
Why were you on Bon Prix??
Are you a chick or do you just like to dress up?
Haha! Good "point"! My mother isn't that capable of using the web and furthermore, they have men's wear in their catalogue, while the actual stores do not have men's wear. Their catalogue is one of the rare ones that have jeans for tall thin persons. But unfortunately I am still to thin or tall, so I had no luck with their offers, too.

Yesterday bitburger.de refused to let me use their site, before I would download one of 8 browsers they suggested (which all are Intel only :rolleyes: ). They didn't like me to use Safari or Firefox. Sunrise did work then. The others would have worked, too, but it was imposssible to click anywere with the message "please download one of these newer browsers" in front. With sunrise the message did not come up.

On sportschau.de: I asked them why they not use html5 and they answered, if it detects that you do not have fitting flash version it automatically switches to html5 for smartphones, but it didn't.

I can use the bonprix site with Safari, but not with Firefox, by the way. I still use Firefox as main because of the video download helper (which others mentioned above).

MrPilot
Jun 14, 2013, 10:32 AM
The problem with Roccat and most of the other Webkit based browsers is that out of the box they use the outdated, Apple supplied frameworks that came with Safari 5.0.6.

I was maybe wrong then. I thought safari in webkit for leopard was not a "framework" but rather "a front end" using webkit as "back end" or "frameworks" as you called it.

See, the confusing part is that webkit2 is being inserted into webkit for leopard. Surely that must be the engine? And that would make it quite capable?

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Thank you!


Haha! Good "point"! My mother isn't that capable of using the web and furthermore, they have men's wear in their catalogue, while the actual stores do not have men's wear. Their catalogue is one of the rare ones that have jeans for tall thin persons. But unfortunately I am still to thin or tall, so I had no luck with their offers, too.

Yesterday bitburger.de refused to let me use their site, before I would download one of 8 browsers they suggested (which all are Intel only :rolleyes: ). They didn't like me to use Safari or Firefox. Sunrise did work then. The others would have worked, too, but it was imposssible to click anywere with the message "please download one of these newer browsers" in front. With sunrise the message did not come up.

On sportschau.de: I asked them why they not use html5 and they answered, if it detects that you do not have fitting flash version it automatically switches to html5 for smartphones, but it didn't.

I can use the bonprix site with Safari, but not with Firefox, by the way. I still use Firefox as main because of the video download helper (which others mentioned above).
Btw, that shopping site worked fine on powerboko G4 with webkit for leopard. I even got the intro to play. I have click to flash installed, so I had to right click "load all plugins" and it all worked fine.

B-G
Jun 14, 2013, 12:22 PM
I was maybe wrong then. I thought safari in webkit for leopard was not a "framework" but rather "a front end" using webkit as "back end" or "frameworks" as you called it.

See, the confusing part is that webkit2 is being inserted into webkit for leopard. Surely that must be the engine? And that would make it quite capable?

This old post (http://tenfourfox.blogspot.it/2013/02/id-like-to-embed-you-in-worst-way-plus.html) from Cameron Kaiser should clarify things a bit.

MrPilot
Jun 14, 2013, 01:31 PM
This old post (http://tenfourfox.blogspot.it/2013/02/id-like-to-embed-you-in-worst-way-plus.html) from Cameron Kaiser should clarify things a bit.

Thanks, will check it out!

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This old post (http://tenfourfox.blogspot.it/2013/02/id-like-to-embed-you-in-worst-way-plus.html) from Cameron Kaiser should clarify things a bit.

Ok, had a good read and verifies what I was saying; Safari being a front-end or "shell" for webkit, which is the back-end or "frame-work".
If they actually do go with webkit2 framework or not remains to be seen. But it sure looks like it ;)

Cox Orange
Jun 21, 2013, 02:47 PM
post deleted by myself.

B-G
Jun 24, 2013, 04:21 PM
Cox Orange,
I did read your post, but I have been extremely busy in the last few days, so I didn't find the time to answer. Sorry it took me so long to post this.
If I remember correctly you were asking what are the most secure Webkit based and Gecko based browsers.
To be perfectly honest I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough to properly answer that question. The reason I use L-W and TFF is that I think they offer the best balance between security and functionality. They both use extensions, and those can be a game changer. NoScript is a big security enhancer. Although I don't use it, Ghostery seems very interesting too, and it runs on both browsers. I also use Glimmer Blocker to filter javascript, ads and social networks widgets, and I'm considering switching to Privoxy, that seems to be even more powerful, doesn't require Java and runs on Linux too,
I'm sorry I can't be of more help.

GermanyChris
Jun 24, 2013, 04:35 PM
post deleted by myself.

That doesn't make you any less a girl ;)

Bon Prix is OK don't worry

Cox Orange
Jun 24, 2013, 05:43 PM
Thank you B-G!

That doesn't make you any less a girl ;)

Bon Prix is OK don't worry

Hihi *giggling girlish* ;) the post I deleted was, I was asking if one can judge by a web browser's design (I guess using "design" does only bring me into further trouble :o) :D - meaning architecture) whether it is a more save browser or not.

I deleted it in a girlish effort, to not seem stupid and embarrass myself. I thought nobody is answering, because the question is sooo damn stupid, that I actually should know this myself.

GermanyChris
Jun 24, 2013, 05:52 PM
Thank you B-G!



Hihi *giggling girlish* ;) the post I deleted was, I was asking if one can judge by a web browser's design (I guess using "design" does only bring me into further trouble :o) :D - meaning architecture) whether it is a more save browser or not.

I deleted it in a girlish effort, to not seem stupid and embarrass myself. I thought nobody is answering, because the question is sooo damn stupid, that I actually should know this myself.


It's OK go on in German that's what my wife does :p

I understand I mad and it's your fault it deutsche

Cox Orange
Jun 24, 2013, 06:34 PM
It's OK go on in German that's what my wife does :p

I understand I mad and it's your fault it deutsche
???????????????????????????????

Is that still friendly kidding or already being mean?

B-G
Jul 21, 2013, 09:01 AM
The latest release of ClickToPlugin (2.8.4) integrates the YouTube Flash Proxy extension, and can be used on Youtube without installing Flash or the ClickToFlash plugin (which is still needed for all the other sites, though).

gooser
Jul 21, 2013, 10:09 AM
tips and tricks for doing without flash? very easy for me. when i am on the internet i either have music or a tv playing in the background. or silence. the last thing i want is for the internet to be talking to me. so i guess the easiest way to do without flash is to have no use for it.

Member2010
Jul 22, 2013, 09:16 AM
My tips and tricks for life without flash:

1. Terminate it - not life itself :D, just the "without flash" part. It takes all of three minutes to install it and enable plugins in TenFourFox and I find that I don't have any problems.

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Nameci
Jul 22, 2013, 10:01 AM
I have no use for anything flash. Removed it even on my intel macs.

Alanbangkok
Aug 2, 2013, 10:22 AM
No flash player installed for my Safari
In case of necessity I switch to Chrome

rabidz7
Aug 2, 2013, 11:27 AM
Thank you B-G!



Hihi *giggling girlish* ;) the post I deleted was, I was asking if one can judge by a web browser's design (I guess using "design" does only bring me into further trouble :o) :D - meaning architecture) whether it is a more save browser or not.

I deleted it in a girlish effort, to not seem stupid and embarrass myself. I thought nobody is answering, because the question is sooo damn stupid, that I actually should know this myself.

What are you snortin?

ihuman:D
Aug 2, 2013, 12:13 PM
No flash player installed for my Safari
In case of necessity I switch to Chrome

You can't run Chrome on PowerPC Macs.

Alanbangkok
Aug 2, 2013, 11:38 PM
You can't run Chrome on PowerPC Macs.

have Intel MBP

MisterKeeks
Aug 3, 2013, 11:35 AM
have Intel MBP

This is the PowerPC forum.

Alanbangkok
Aug 4, 2013, 12:23 AM
This is the PowerPC forum.

sorry man i make in a wrong place
regards:apple:

B-G
Jan 16, 2014, 03:18 PM
I updated the info.plist file for the old ClickToFlash plugin (see first post) to match the new Flash 12.0.0.38