Any more presidents named Bush?

[Deepdale]

Predictions please ...

Will the United States see other further members of the extended Bush clan in the White House? I hope I do not see too many yes replies ... I hate crying on a Sunday afternoon.

[katie ta achoo]

Predictions please ...

Will the United States see other further members of the extended Bush clan in the White House? I hope I do not see too many yes replies ... I hate crying on a Sunday afternoon.


Can you see any of them being elected after how current bush reacted to the whole Hurricane Katrina thing? His approval rating was somewhere around 39% and I don't think people will forget about that.

Also, who would do it? Jenna? Barbara? Jeb Bush jr. who was just arrested for public intoxication?

I don't see it.
But then again, I am in a microcosm all day, and I don't get that broad a view of political ideas. (I'm at school 9+ hours a day. Pretty much, we're all liberals.)

[Deepdale]

Can you see any of them being elected after how current bush reacted to the whole Hurricane Katrina thing? Also, who would do it? Jenna? Barbara? Jeb Bush jr. who was just arrested for public intoxication?

The concern always reverts back to the gullibility of the electorate. As far as Jeb Jr. is concerned, his uncle was a drunk and he made it.

[katie ta achoo]

The concern always reverts back to the gullibility of the electorate. As far as Jeb Jr. is concerned, his uncle was a drunk and he made it.


Bla. In that case, let me change my answer to "not if I can help it."

[zimv20]

future president? (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050916/480/at10609162318)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050916/capt.at10609162318.bush_nephew_arrest_at106.jpg?x=279&y=345&sig=As967eLQ.XtF01EsC.W0aA--

[Deepdale]

Bla. In that case, let me change my answer to "not if I can help it."

There you go! :)

[Sayhey]

Want a wild scenario? What if Cheney resigns for health reasons before his term is over and George appoints Jeb as his new VP? Jeb goes into the primaries as the favorite, along with the well known Bush ability to get the "most" out vote counts. Do you feel the chills running down your spine yet? :eek:

[Deepdale]

... What if Cheney resigns for health reasons before his term is over and George appoints Jeb as his new VP? ... Do you feel the chills running down your spine yet? :eek:

Can I get back to you after the vomiting subsides? :)

[jim.]

Want a wild scenario? What if Cheney resigns for health reasons before his term is over and George appoints Jeb as his new VP? Jeb goes into the primaries as the favorite, along with the well known Bush ability to get the "most" out vote counts. Do you feel the chills running down your spine yet? :eek:
I think that anti-nepotism laws would apply to something like that. Not very likely the senate would approve that either.

Jim

[Don't panic]

I think that anti-nepotism laws would apply to something like that. Not very likely the senate would approve that either.

Jim

don't count on it

[jim.]

don't count on it
Nah, I'd go out on a limb to say that the moderates in the (relatively, in these days) level-headed US Senate wouldn't stand for the brothers Bush. I think that getting a simple majority for a new VP would be an uphill battle in the Senate if that nominee was Jeb, no matter how many nuclear options are threatened. This is also assuming that every Republican decided to back the party on GW's decision. As disconcerted as many of the more conservative ones are becoming with the current administration, I just don't see that happening. But I also didn't think that CA would be so dumb and reactionary as to elect Arnold, so I may not be the doling out the best betting advice.

Jim

[katie ta achoo]

.....no matter how many nuclear options are threatened. ....


Don't you mean nu-cu-ler?

*giggles self silly*

/is a dirty hippie
//make love not bombs
///I want to rule your economy.
////ok, I'll stop being useless now, sorry!

[G5Unit]

I don't like bush. I liked Clinton! Evem though I was like 2 when he was elected!

[highres]

Just wait until Jeb Bush becomes President...Things will really get interesting... :D

[treblah]

Want a wild scenario? What if Cheney resigns for health reasons before his term is over and George appoints Jeb as his new VP? Jeb goes into the primaries as the favorite, along with the well known Bush ability to get the "most" out vote counts. Do you feel the chills running down your spine yet? :eek:

Or better yet, Cheney runs in '08 with G.W. Bush as the V.P. (you know, to 'stay the course' and all) and then Cheney dies and W. gets to be president for 2 more years! :eek:

On second thought, lets just give G.H.W. Bush another 4 and be done with this clan forever. :cool:

[Mike Teezie]

Or better yet, Cheney runs in '08 with G.W. Bush as the V.P. (you know, to 'stay the course' and all) and then Cheney dies and W. gets to be president for 2 more years! :eek:

On second thought, lets just give G.H.W. Bush another 4 and be done with this clan forever. :cool:


Or better yet, let's just have the Dub throw in the towel now and we can be done with the Bush "legacy" forever.

I bet if we all chipped in, bought a GameBoy, and somehow got it into the Oval Office our Dubya problems would be gone!

:D

[katie ta achoo]

Just wait until Jeb Bush becomes President...Things will really get interesting... :D


Whene'er I hear "Jeb Bush" I can't help but think of the simpsons episode where george bush be movin' in across the way from thar simpson family, yarr.

Homer: Hello, Mr. Bush, we are your sons, George Bush Junior and Jeb Bush!
Bush: Bar! The Boys are here! They'll help me defeat the simpsons!

Yarrr, I love the simpsons matey!

/I lo'e talk like a pirate day, too.
//argghhh, where's my parrot?!

[mac-er]

future president? (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050916/480/at10609162318)


You really think someone whose uncle is the POTUS, whose grandfather was the POTUS, and whose father is a governor would make more responsbile decisions about representing their family.

[katie ta achoo]

You really think someone whose uncle is the POTUS, whose grandfather was the POTUS, and whose father is a governor would make more responsbile decisions about representing their family.


...POTUS?

What?

"president of the united states" or is it some other funky acronym?

:confused: and tired.

/arrrh, matey
//too tired to plunder the boards anymore tonight
///off to the galley for some shut-eye

[zimv20]

...POTUS?

What?

"president of the united states" or is it some other funky acronym?

yep. you'll also see:
SCOTUS : Supreme Court ...
FLOTUS : First Lady ...

i'm sure there're others.

[Don't panic]

yep. you'll also see:
SCOTUS : Supreme Court ...
FLOTUS : First Lady ...

i'm sure there're others.

you mean the Intelligent Designer Incharge Of The United States?

[mactastic]

Let's hope not.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Want a wild scenario? What if Cheney resigns for health reasons before his term is over and George appoints Jeb as his new VP? Jeb goes into the primaries as the favorite, along with the well known Bush ability to get the "most" out vote counts. Do you feel the chills running down your spine yet? :eek:


Thanks for the nightmares to come my way. :eek:

[jim.]

On second thought, lets just give G.H.W. Bush another 4 and be done with this clan forever. :cool:
I would be all for that. In fact Bush, Sr. would also take care of this nagging moral minority that is currently plaguing our bills too. He was really good at that back in his day. Even as a liberal, I really wish that we had some more real conservatives still around. It helped keep the balance a little better, you know?

Jim

[mactastic]

Bush 41 isn't a true conservative. He raised taxes.

[mpw]

You really think someone whose uncle is the POTUS, whose grandfather was the POTUS, and whose father is a governor would make more responsbile decisions about representing their family.

Yeah cause the their decisions makes everyone feel soo good about the Bush family!


...off to the galley for some shut-eye...
*wonders why katie sleeps in the kitchen*
*gets side-tracked at the thought of katie lying on the kitchen counter....*

[leekohler]

Predictions please ...

Will the United States see other further members of the extended Bush clan in the White House? I hope I do not see too many yes replies ... I hate crying on a Sunday afternoon.

Anything can happen. I couldn't believe anybody would vote for W after his dad's disastrous presidency. Look what happened.

[katchow]

Predictions please ...

Will the United States see other further members of the extended Bush clan in the White House? I hope I do not see too many yes replies ... I hate crying on a Sunday afternoon.

never say never...or read my lips.

[mactastic]

/arrrh, matey
//too tired to plunder the boards anymore tonight
///off to the galley for some shut-eye
Just remember next time, it's not rape the village and plunder the women.

[~loserman~]

The Bush family woes remind me a lot of the Kennedy's.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Bush 41 isn't a true conservative. He raised taxes.


And if he had not stood before me and the rest of the American people with his no new taxes, then I might have even voted for him.

Though for me, I did far better after Reagan and Bush I left office, than I have under Bush II.

[IJ Reilly]

The Bush family woes remind me a lot of the Kennedy's.

...he said, throwing down the gauntlet. ;)

I hope not to be one who takes too much pleasure in the misfortunes of others (I envy German speakers for having a word specifically for this), but I can't help being amused by the moral failings of people who pretend moral superiority. Poetic justice can compare favorably to the other kind, especially when you know you aren't going to get the other kind.

[Chip NoVaMac]

...he said, throwing down the gauntlet. ;)

I hope not to be one who takes too much pleasure in the misfortunes of others (I envy German speakers for having a word specifically for this), but I can't help being amused by the moral failings of people who pretend moral superiority. Poetic justice can compare favorably to the other kind, especially when you know you aren't going to get the other kind.


There in lies the difference between the Kennedy and Bush families. The Kennedy's never IMO tried to make themselves morally superior to the rest of us. The Bush's however have tried (less so with Bush I)

[mactastic]

There in lies the difference between the Kennedy and Bush families. The Kennedy's never IMO tried to make themselves morally superior to the rest of us. The Bush's however have tried (less so with Bush I)I don't recall the Kennedy's trying to breach the wall between church and state either...

[Sayhey]

...he said, throwing down the gauntlet. ;)

I hope not to be one who takes too much pleasure in the misfortunes of others (I envy German speakers for having a word specifically for this), but I can't help being amused by the moral failings of people who pretend moral superiority. Poetic justice can compare favorably to the other kind, especially when you know you aren't going to get the other kind.

Nothing wrong with a little schadenfreude (http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2000/05/10.html) directed in Bush's direction! He's been enjoying other's misery for years.

[jim.]

Anything can happen. I couldn't believe anybody would vote for W after his dad's disastrous presidency. Look what happened.
I never quite understood why people say this. Bush I's presidency had less government disasters and coverups than the Reagan administration. Of course, you could chalk that up to his term only being half as long, but Reagan had some really embarassing moments that even a blow job can't stand up to. America, up until this president, has had a decent run of presidents who seemed to work well both at home and abroad. Reagan went off for a while in his earlier term, but got back on track eventually. Bush I continued Reagan's policies, but was realistic enough to change around some of the ideas that weren't quite working. Clinton did the same thing, only in a more liberal way. Now we have Bush II throwing it all in the wind and doing what the neo-con cabal (whose philosophy his father and Clinton fought tooth and nail to keep out of foreign policy) wanted to do since the Cold War. This my friend, is a disastrous presidency. I can't think of anything else in recent history that could compare.

By this token, I don't see Bush I's presidency as being a disaster at all. He did a decent job, and I would settle for that now. As far as Republicans go, I can't say that I have minded a Republican president (with one exception); it's some of the others behind him that I can't stand. For some reason the past few presidents have been insistent on keeping them around.

Jim

[zimv20]

I don't see Bush I's presidency as being a disaster at all.
nor do i.

i think his biggest sidestep was Desert Storm. his iraq diplomat screwed that up.

[highres]

Whene'er I hear "Jeb Bush" I can't help but think of the simpsons episode where george bush be movin' in across the way from thar simpson family, yarr.

Homer: Hello, Mr. Bush, we are your sons, George Bush Junior and Jeb Bush!
Bush: Bar! The Boys are here! They'll help me defeat the simpsons!

Yarrr, I love the simpsons matey!

/I lo'e talk like a pirate day, too.
//argghhh, where's my parrot?!

We could always give Homer a shot at Executive Office, it would be a HUGE improvement over ole' G Dubya... :D

[leekohler]

I never quite understood why people say this. Bush I's presidency had less government disasters and coverups than the Reagan administration. Of course, you could chalk that up to his term only being half as long, but Reagan had some really embarassing moments that even a blow job can't stand up to. America, up until this president, has had a decent run of presidents who seemed to work well both at home and abroad. Reagan went off for a while in his earlier term, but got back on track eventually. Bush I continued Reagan's policies, but was realistic enough to change around some of the ideas that weren't quite working. Clinton did the same thing, only in a more liberal way. Now we have Bush II throwing it all in the wind and doing what the neo-con cabal (whose philosophy his father and Clinton fought tooth and nail to keep out of foreign policy) wanted to do since the Cold War. This my friend, is a disastrous presidency. I can't think of anything else in recent history that could compare.

By this token, I don't see Bush I's presidency as being a disaster at all. He did a decent job, and I would settle for that now. As far as Republicans go, I can't say that I have minded a Republican president (with one exception); it's some of the others behind him that I can't stand. For some reason the past few presidents have been insistent on keeping them around.

Jim

Well gosh- when you think about it, Bush II makes every other president we've ever had look good. So when you look at it that way, you're right. I still can't forgive Bush I for pardoning people in the Iran-Contra scandal either.

[zimv20]

I still can't forgive Bush I for pardoning people in the Iran-Contra scandal either.
and now i'm agreeing with you. feeling impressionable today, i guess.

[highres]

Well gosh- when you think about it, Bush II makes every other president we've ever had look good. So when you look at it that way, you're right. I still can't forgive Bush I for pardoning people in the Iran-Contra scandal either.

Your right Bush II makes just about any president look good, but Bush I was definitely no plumb either.

George Bush Senior's Memorable Moments:

- The invasion of Panama or Operation "Just Cause", where after many attempts at regime change finally succeeded in arresting Manuel Noriega.

- Led the United States into the Gulf War to secure Middle East oil fields, once the oil fields were secure, pulled out of Iraq and left Saddam Hussein in power who immediately started a bloody, punitive oppression of the Kurds.

- Tianamen Square - After the massacre at Tianamen Square and the subsequent arrest, torture and execution of student leaders present at the demonstration, Bush consistently sought a friendly and normal relation with China despite pressures from both left and right.

- "Read my lips: No new taxes", then raised taxes and alienated his conservative base.

- Bush's last act in office was his pardon of six former government employees implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal, including former Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger in order to stave off his own appearance in front of a Grand Jury.

I would much rather have a president who lied about a blow job from an intern than a president with a record like George H.W. Bush anyday.

[leekohler]

Your right Bush II makes just about any president look good, but Bush I was definitely no plumb either.

George Bush Senior's Memorable Moments:

- The invasion of Panama or Operation "Just Cause", where after many attempts at regime change finally succeeded in arresting Manuel Noriega.

- Led the United States into the Gulf War to secure Middle East oil fields, once the oil fields were secure, pulled out of Iraq and left Saddam Hussein in power who immediately started a bloody, punitive oppression of the Kurds.

- Tianamen Square - After the massacre at Tianamen Square and the subsequent arrest, torture and execution of student leaders present at the demonstration, Bush consistently sought a friendly and normal relation with China despite pressures from both left and right.

- "Read my lips: No new taxes", then raised taxes and alienated his conservative base.

- Bush's last act in office was his pardon of six former government employees implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal, including former Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger in order to stave off his own appearance in front of a Grand Jury.

I would much rather have a president who lied about a blow job from an intern than a president with a record like George H.W. Bush anyday.

And don't forget those awful glasses he used to wear. :)

[highres]

And don't forget those awful glasses he used to wear. :)

*laughs out loud* you aren't kidding, they were horrible looking...He looked like the Nazi Doctor (Sir Laurence Olivier) in Marathon Man... :D

http://homepage.mac.com/donkeypunched/donkey/marathon_man.jpg

[leekohler]

*laughs out loud* you aren't kidding, they were horrible looking...He looked like the Nazi Doctor (Sir Laurence Olivier) in Marathon Man... :D

http://homepage.mac.com/donkeypunched/donkey/marathon_man.jpg

That was good. :)

[IJ Reilly]

Is it safe? :eek:

[jim.]

Your right Bush II makes just about any president look good, but Bush I was definitely no plumb either.

George Bush Senior's Memorable Moments:
<snip>


Yes, but as I have been arguing, not that Bush I was the bastion of the presidency, but his presidency wasn't a disaster as one said previously. When Clinton took office (during which he made his fair share of mistakes and scandals aside from the non-issue of the blow job), he didn't have to play clean up too badly. Imagine the poor guy after Bushy II. Also Bush I didn't potentially harm America's social and economic standing in the world for decades to come. We're still going to feel the brunt of the current administration's decisions when we have kids (or grandkids), trust me.

A few niggles though with what you said:

- "Read my lips: No new taxes", then raised taxes and alienated his conservative base.

This doesn't show complete ineffectiveness as a president. The country needed more tax revenue, and Bush did it, despite the political pressure on him at the time, and despite what he thought he could do. Isn't this the sort of thing that we complain about our politician's not doing? Clinton had to raise taxes too, remember? Unfortunately this also falls as a black mark on his record, because it is probably the main thing that got him into office. This just showed that he was a liar (like every other politician).

- Led the United States into the Gulf War to secure Middle East oil fields, once the oil fields were secure, pulled out of Iraq and left Saddam Hussein in power who immediately started a bloody, punitive oppression of the Kurds.

So we should have already have been in Iraq? The well publicized reason that Bush didn't topple Saddam was because there was no viable exit plan for our troops in the very volatile middle east. He feared we would have been stuck there for at least 10 years trying to play security while propping up a faltering democracy amongst religious fundamentalists. Ominous, huh? I'm glad he kept Cheney and Wolfowitz out of that decision making process.

Other than that, you are right. Iran-Contra is one of the biggest black eyes to date in America's political history. Bush's involvement in it is regrettable, especially during the Reagan years when it all happened. But by no means does it mean that Bush I's presidency is a disaster, which is the point I've been trying to make. Hey, if we want to argue that Clinton was better, I'm with you, but Bush I wasn't as bad as some want to paint him. Just like Reagan was nowhere near as good as the current Republicans try to claim.

Jim