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MacRumors
Dec 3, 2012, 09:30 PM
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AllThingsD is reporting (http://allthingsd.com/20121203/apple-scoffs-at-samsung-claim-of-jury-foremans-bias-in-patent-trial/) that Apple has responded to Samsung's claim that jury foreman Velvin Hogan conducted himself improperly during jury selection for the Samsung v. Apple trial. Hogan is under examination for his failure to disclose a previous legal dispute with Seagate, his former employer and one of Samsung's partners.*In November, Judge Lucy Koh said she would "consider the questions" (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/09/judge-will-consider-questions-on-jury-foreman-in-samsung-v-apple-trial/) of whether Hogan conducted himself improperly.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/12/NewImage13.pngApple does not accuse juror Velvin Hogan of misconduct -- because there was none -- so what Apple knew and when regarding Mr. Hogan's lawsuit with Seagate nearly two decades ago is irrelevant to any issue raised by Samsung's post-trial motions. Apple does not contend that any past relationship between Mr. Hogan and Seagate, or any lawsuit between them, is anything remotely close to support a challenge for cause.Hogan has been one of the more visible members of the jury (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/28/jury-foreman-in-apple-vs-samsung-case-speaks-to-rationale-for-verdict/), speaking with a myriad of news organizations about the decision in the case, which concluded earlier this year. The dispute over Hogan's behavior represents one more incident in the ongoing legal drama (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/06/apple-accuses-samsungs-version-of-android-and-the-galaxy-note-10-1-of-infringing-patents/) between Apple and Samsung.

Article Link: Apple Responds to Samsung's Request for Information on Trial Jury Foreman (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/12/03/apple-responds-to-samsungs-request-for-information-on-trial-jury-foreman/)



iphone495
Dec 3, 2012, 09:32 PM
What apocalypse? Oh right, Apple's destroying Samsung.

jdegid
Dec 3, 2012, 09:52 PM
I get accused of improperly conducting myself all the time

SunnyRenegade33
Dec 3, 2012, 09:52 PM
Nothing surprising here.

DynaFXD
Dec 3, 2012, 10:06 PM
Honestly, the only thing that wears on me is when jurors, enabled by news media, think that they are part of the story. When asked to appear on <insert talk show here>, I'd like to see/hear "No thanks, we did our time in the box. Our verdict is in the records. We have nothing to add beyond that and have lives to get on with." That some think that this is their 15 minutes kinda bums me out.

iMikeT
Dec 3, 2012, 11:15 PM
I get accused of improperly conducting myself all the time


Pants on or off?

coder12
Dec 3, 2012, 11:22 PM
Pants on or off?

Sometimes both at the same time!

portishead
Dec 4, 2012, 01:18 AM
Curious to see what the Samsung apologists have to say about this.

Negritude
Dec 4, 2012, 01:41 AM
Curious to see what the Samsung apologists have to say about this.

What is there to say about an obviously self-serving statement on the part of Apple?

Rogifan
Dec 4, 2012, 01:57 AM
Curious to see what the Samsung apologists have to say about this.

Innovate don't litigate?

Swift
Dec 4, 2012, 03:14 AM
What is there to say about an obviously self-serving statement on the part of Apple?

Or a fishing expedition by Samsung to find any possible way to have the verdict of the jury quashed? Now, was this man asked about any possible conflicts, aside from the fact that he had experience with patent law trials? And why would that have made him prejudiced against Samsung? "A partner of?" Why stop there? There have been Seagate drives in Apple computers. Maybe it gave him a prejudice against Apple or the Man in the Moon. Unless they come up with more of this than meets the eye, this is just the usual kind of kibbitzing that happens after you lose a billion dollars.

markie
Dec 4, 2012, 03:27 AM
The partner language is a deceptive understatement. Seagate bough Samsung's hard drive unit. So the two companies are rather intertwined now, with Seagate continuing to produce products marketed under the Samsung name

RichardI
Dec 4, 2012, 05:33 AM
I get accused of improperly conducting myself all the time

Me too! And by someone a lot more scary than Samsung!! :D;)

Mwahahahahaha

blackhand1001
Dec 4, 2012, 06:58 AM
Or a fishing expedition by Samsung to find any possible way to have the verdict of the jury quashed? Now, was this man asked about any possible conflicts, aside from the fact that he had experience with patent law trials? And why would that have made him prejudiced against Samsung? "A partner of?" Why stop there? There have been Seagate drives in Apple computers. Maybe it gave him a prejudice against Apple or the Man in the Moon. Unless they come up with more of this than meets the eye, this is just the usual kind of kibbitzing that happens after you lose a billion dollars.

The guy improperly instructed the jurors on the how to proceed with determining whether or not Samsung infringe. He also skipped many steps of the instructions the court had given them to follow.

KnightWRX
Dec 4, 2012, 07:08 AM
Apple's disclosure : http://www.groklaw.net/pdf4/ApplevSamsung-2176.pdf

Exhibit A mentionned in the disclosure : http://www.groklaw.net/pdf4/ApplevSamsung-2176ExA.pdf

Not really anything interesting here, it's a one-sided reply to a motion. Much more interesting is that Judge Koh granted full public disclosure of the HTC/Apple licensing terms, except for pricing and royalties which will remain sealed (Samsung lawyers get to see it, not the general public) :

http://www.groklaw.net/pdf4/ApplevSamsung-2179.pdf

So we'll get to know exactly which IP (as in patents) HTC is licensing from Apple and if these patents are the same used against Samsung or not.

The interesting developments are scheduled for the 6th of December, when Judge Koh hears both parties motions for Summary Judgement and Samsung's motion for a new trial.

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The guy improperly instructed the jurors on the how to proceed with determining whether or not Samsung infringe. He also skipped many steps of the instructions the court had given them to follow.

And also failed to recognize proper prior art rules of the USPTO, whereas the Jury found that the Rubber Band patent was valid even though Samsung presented prior art for it, but 2 months later, the USPTO found it invalid in light of the prior art :

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/10/23/apples-patent-poblems-uspto-invalidates-the-rubber-banding-patent/

This is a serious black eye as far as the Jury's whole decision goes, it really hurts the credibility of their work.

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Curious to see what the Samsung apologists have to say about this.

I'm curious as well, since there really isn't anything about Samsung here, it's a motion filed by Apple after Samsung filed a motion to compel them to disclose their prior knowledge of the Jury foreman's lawsuit with Seagate.

Or maybe I'm just curious to see how people will manage to yet again turn this thread into a *****torm of insults rather than discuss the actual facts behind the case. Good job on already trying to trainwreck this thread.

subsonix
Dec 4, 2012, 08:01 AM
And also failed to recognize proper prior art rules of the USPTO, whereas the Jury found that the Rubber Band patent was valid even though Samsung presented prior art for it, but 2 months later, the USPTO found it invalid in light of the prior art :

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/10/23/apples-patent-poblems-uspto-invalidates-the-rubber-banding-patent/


It's not the same patent that Samsung argued was prior art though. The fact that USPTO has found it invalid based on an earlier patent, is more of a black eye for the USPTO as they then should never have granted it to begin with.

Avatarshark
Dec 4, 2012, 10:38 AM
Apparently bygones aren't bygones anymore

portishead
Dec 4, 2012, 11:54 AM
Or a fishing expedition by Samsung to find any possible way to have the verdict of the jury quashed? Now, was this man asked about any possible conflicts, aside from the fact that he had experience with patent law trials? And why would that have made him prejudiced against Samsung? "A partner of?" Why stop there? There have been Seagate drives in Apple computers. Maybe it gave him a prejudice against Apple or the Man in the Moon. Unless they come up with more of this than meets the eye, this is just the usual kind of kibbitzing that happens after you lose a billion dollars.

the samsung fanboys don't understand when you use logic.

KnightWRX
Dec 4, 2012, 12:45 PM
the samsung fanboys don't understand when you use logic.

What samsung fanboys ? We're all Apple users discussing a case involving Apple and frankly, if I was Apple at this point I would want a retrial myself with all the questions raised in regards to the lack of proper rigor the jury seems to have displayed. It really does not help the verdict's credibility at all.

The motions do not support a "fishing expedition" nor would the Judge consent to the motions at this point if she thought the motions weren't relevant to the post-trial, pre-judgement phase.

Oletros
Dec 4, 2012, 01:16 PM
Curious to see what the Samsung apologists have to say about this.

the samsung fanboys don't understand when you use logic.

Apart of trying to flame bait, do you have any thing to say about the case?

portishead
Dec 4, 2012, 04:52 PM
Apart of trying to flame bait, do you have any thing to say about the case?

If this were samsungrumors.com you might be right. I have nothing to say other than these lawsuits are stupid but apart from some fanboys nobody really cares.

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The motions do not support a "fishing expedition" nor would the Judge consent to the motions at this point if she thought the motions weren't relevant to the post-trial, pre-judgement phase.

please don't quote me anymore. you say ridiculous things 95% of the time and I'm tired of responding to them.

KnightWRX
Dec 4, 2012, 08:14 PM
please don't quote me anymore. you say ridiculous things 95% of the time and I'm tired of responding to them.

Sorry what ? What was ridiculous in what I posted ? Move me to ignore if you don't like the facts, but don't call reality ridiculous. Or provide sources and facts to back up any perceived "ridiculousness" in my posts please.

Otherwise, I guess Oletros is right about you, and you're simply trainwrecking what could be a good discussion about the lawsuits.

thekev
Dec 4, 2012, 08:26 PM
the samsung fanboys don't understand when you use logic.

It's actually weird when you begin to create theoretical people.

portishead
Dec 4, 2012, 09:47 PM
Otherwise, I guess Oletros is right about you, and you're simply trainwrecking what could be a good discussion about the lawsuits.

This post didn't even break a page after a day. I don't think there's much potential for discussion but there you are again trolling lawsuit posts.

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It's actually weird when you begin to create theoretical people.

It's actually weird when you don't realize these theoretical people actually exist, some even posting in this exact thread.

KnightWRX
Dec 5, 2012, 03:48 AM
This post didn't even break a page after a day. I don't think there's much potential for discussion but there you are again trolling lawsuit posts

Where is this "trolling" you're accusing me of ? I posted links to the court documents filed by Apple, posted another link to another judge decision about the HTC agreement being made public, which would be interesting for people to know.

How is posting links to material of the lawsuit "trolling" exactly ? Trolling would be... hum... calling people trolls and fanboys of companies without providing any discussion. That would be pure trolling.

It's actually weird when you don't realize these theoretical people actually exist, some even posting in this exact thread.

I haven't seen a single Samsung owner post in this thread yet about how his phone is better than any other phone, so maybe you'd need to point out these Samsung fanboys for us, because otherwise, I think you're just suffering from persecution complex.

portishead
Dec 5, 2012, 11:11 AM
I haven't seen a single Samsung owner post in this thread yet about how his phone is better than any other phone, so maybe you'd need to point out these Samsung fanboys for us, because otherwise, I think you're just suffering from persecution complex.

Humor me. What type of phone do you use?

Renzatic
Dec 5, 2012, 11:49 AM
Humor me. What type of phone do you use?

I bet he owns a Galaxy S III, like all smart people do.

Samsung is the greatest company in the world. Apple has run out of ideas and found itself in a rut. Now all they can do to compete in the market is sue the better competition for having better ideas than they do.

The Galaxy S III is the best phone in the world. The iPhone 5 is a piece of aluminum junk that scratches easily and breaks if you even look at it wrong. Only stupid Apple fanboys want an iPhone 5 because they're obsessed with Steve Jobs and his stupid childish opinions on competition.

THERE! SAMSUNG FANBOY POST! YOU HAPPY NOW? LETS MOVE ON!

TheHateMachine
Dec 5, 2012, 12:03 PM
I bet he owns a Galaxy S III, like all smart people do.

Samsung is the greatest company in the world. Apple has run out of ideas and found itself in a rut. Now all they can do to compete in the market is sue the better competition for having better ideas than they do.

The Galaxy S III is the best phone in the world. The iPhone 5 is a piece of aluminum junk that scratches easily and breaks if you even look at it wrong. Only stupid Apple fanboys want an iPhone 5 because they're obsessed with Steve Jobs and his stupid childish opinions on competition.

THERE! SAMSUNG FANBOY POST! YOU HAPPY NOW? LETS MOVE ON!

Renzatic has won this thread! Where do I send you your complimentary iNexus 5S?

Renzatic
Dec 5, 2012, 12:05 PM
Just PM it to me. I've got the forums set up to accept physical goods.

KnightWRX
Dec 5, 2012, 12:12 PM
Humor me. What type of phone do you use?

iPhone 5. Switched to it after an owning an iPhone 4S for a year which was an upgrade to my iPhone 3GS I had had for 2 years before that. Before the iPhone, I had a Sony Ericsson w810i black which I upgraded to after owning and quite liking my Sony Ericsson T610. Those were my first non-Nokia phones, after owning a Nokia 8310 for quite a few years, an upgrade for my very first phone, a legendary Nokia 6110.

So basically, been using an iPhone for the last 3 years and 2 months.

What's there to humor ?

portishead
Dec 5, 2012, 03:06 PM
I bet he owns a Galaxy S III, like all smart people do.

Samsung is the greatest company in the world. Apple has run out of ideas and found itself in a rut. Now all they can do to compete in the market is sue the better competition for having better ideas than they do.

The Galaxy S III is the best phone in the world. The iPhone 5 is a piece of aluminum junk that scratches easily and breaks if you even look at it wrong. Only stupid Apple fanboys want an iPhone 5 because they're obsessed with Steve Jobs and his stupid childish opinions on competition.

THERE! SAMSUNG FANBOY POST! YOU HAPPY NOW? LETS MOVE ON!

LOL your post is so awesome I can't tell if you're serious or joking.

rb4havoc
Dec 11, 2012, 05:44 PM
Humor me. What type of phone do you use?

I'll humor you though. I use a Samsung Galaxy Note 2. I never have nor will ever own an iPhone. There was a point in time where I thought I wanted one, but honestly, I'd rather have functionality over design.

<3 :apple: computers, not so much iOS devices.

portishead
Dec 11, 2012, 11:37 PM
I'll humor you though. I use a Samsung Galaxy Note 2. I never have nor will ever own an iPhone. There was a point in time where I thought I wanted one, but honestly, I'd rather have functionality over design.

<3 :apple: computers, not so much iOS devices.

That's great. I actually like the Note 2 though. It's a little big, but other than that pretty cool. I still like the iPad quite a lot, but getting a little sick of the iPhone/iOS. Not sure why you're trying to troll me. I think you missed the point of our 'discussion'. I might consider a Galaxy S4. We'll see what happens.

Jhoannaguevarra
Jan 16, 2013, 01:07 AM
C'mon! There's nothing new to that thing. let's enjoy that technology still invades the world!You'll just get old when you think of that. :D;)