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Mr. Anderson
Dec 3, 2002, 07:43 AM
This could be a very serious threat to the airline industry if there continue to be more attacks with these shoulder mounted rockets, and even worse if they manage to get then into the US. Thankfully they're not Stinger missles (guided)

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/02/clinton.missiles/index.html

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iGav
Dec 3, 2002, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by dukestreet
This could be a very serious threat to the airline industry if there continue to be more attacks with these shoulder mounted rockets, and even worse if they manage to get then into the US. Thankfully they're not Stinger missles (guided)

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/02/clinton.missiles/index.html

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It is really scary........ I can't remember where I heard it, but there's talk of fitting planes with anti-missle flares to counter act the missle threat!!

Bradcoe
Dec 3, 2002, 11:19 AM
Where did that shoulder-fired missile that missed the Israeli charter jet land? I don't know how far they fly.

cr2sh
Dec 3, 2002, 11:23 AM
I've never flown, but on December 27th I'm leaving for London and I'm quite nervous about it. With the recent events in mind, I'm now 98% sure that my plane is going down. Alas, I cannot live in fear, so I must go... but that's not the point.

The point is, where did these ass-clowns get shoulder-fired missiles? America has a lot of ****ing problems, but our biggest is that fact that we neither acknowledge our mistakes or learn from them.

cr2sh
Dec 3, 2002, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Bradcoe
Where did that shoulder-fired missile that missed the Israeli charter jet land? I don't know how far they fly.

They're good for about 2miles, I'm pretty sure. I think 5000' accurately.

Mr. Anderson
Dec 3, 2002, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by cr2sh
I've never flown, but on December 27th I'm leaving for London and I'm quite nervous about it. With the recent events in mind, I'm now 98% sure that my plane is going down. Alas, I cannot live in fear, so I must go... but that's not the point.

The point is, where did these ass-clowns get shoulder-fired missiles? America has a lot of ****ing problems, but our biggest is that fact that we neither acknowledge our mistakes or learn from them.

Don't worry, enjoy the flight, it will be fine.

As for where they got these missles, well, they're actually anti-tank missles, so its point and shoot, nothing fancy. With all the wars going on in Africa, weapons aren't that difficult to get if you have enough money. The Stinger missles are the good ones that are heat seekers - which they don't have.

Kid Red
Dec 3, 2002, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by cr2sh
I've never flown, but on December 27th I'm leaving for London and I'm quite nervous about it. With the recent events in mind, I'm now 98% sure that my plane is going down. Alas, I cannot live in fear, so I must go... but that's not the point.

The point is, where did these ass-clowns get shoulder-fired missiles? America has a lot of ****ing problems, but our biggest is that fact that we neither acknowledge our mistakes or learn from them.

No guidance in them as far as I know. That's why they shot off 2 rockets and missed both times. Plus they are idiots, they don't have the training and they more asks of terror they commit, the fewer of them are left. They keep killing themselves, soon, no more idiots left.

A US plane to London would almost be impossible for them to try and pull off. No worries, enjoy the sleep.

Mr. Anderson
Dec 3, 2002, 02:27 PM
Well, it seems that there is more concern, but I imagine this would have to do with more remote areas, like Africa and MidEast, not in the US or Europe.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/12/03/missile.defense/index.html

But it definitely sucks.

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jelloshotsrule
Dec 3, 2002, 02:30 PM
from what i heard, they're not guided per se, but they are heat seeking...

SA-51M or something like that... is what i saw with some expert on them on tv... they seek the heat. and so planes can toss flares to divert them, or can use an infrared signal to "blind" them... which i guess is more efficient but more expensive.

dabirdwell
Dec 3, 2002, 04:34 PM
They are indeed heat seeking, and once fired on a locked-in thermal signature if the missile misses it's target it is designed to self destruct within 14 seconds.

wdlove
Dec 3, 2002, 04:35 PM
I've heard estimates of it costing $200m per plane for retrofiting. That doesn't include installation & loss of use. The question is who will pay for it, don't think the airlines are planning to do this. As usual its the taxpayer that foots the bill, you and me. It sounds like Hillary want to get the credit, a sad thought, will do anything to further her career. :(

wdlove
Dec 3, 2002, 04:48 PM
Corporate fliers are now commonly using private jets, offers safety.

Israel now has become a target of Al Qaeda!

Ifeelbloated
Dec 3, 2002, 05:08 PM
All the more reason for me to get my private pilot license. No terrorist is going to bother with a tiny Cessna.

Mr. Anderson
Dec 3, 2002, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
I've heard estimates of it costing $200m per plane for retrofiting.

Again, no link - without that this number is ludicrous, $200,000,000?!? The planes themselves don't cost that much! Well almost, a brand new Boeing 777 can go for around $250,000,000 - more or less depending on how many you buy.

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wdlove
Dec 3, 2002, 07:43 PM
I hear the estimate from the radio, so no link sorry!

http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200212/FOR20021202e.shtml

Mr. Anderson
Dec 3, 2002, 07:47 PM
A system like that might go for 200k, but not 200m. That's just way too much and no one would pay for it or fly on an airline that would have raise its fairs that much more just to pay for the extra safety.

It is sad that its come to this. :(

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wdlove
Dec 4, 2002, 08:51 PM
Poll from Netscape:

Would you pay higher airline fares for protection against missiles?
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Yes, I'll pay for safety
32%_
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No, that's what the Homeland Security Department is for
68%_

They don't realize that means they will pay via taxes, either way we pay!
Its not the Airlines or the governement that will pay the cost.

wdlove
Dec 5, 2002, 07:28 PM
A different view of Hillary Clinton, Democrat Presidential Nominee 2008, by another woman Laura Ingraham!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893554651/qid=1038434208/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-0110123-8219039?v=glance&s=books&n=507846#product-details

wdlove
Dec 6, 2002, 07:34 PM
Democrats assess the health of the country by the number of people that depend on government to survive. Republicans assess the heatlh of the country by the number of Americans that are self suficient.

Public safety is legitimate for the goverment!