What you don't tell your Windows ® friends... [Archive]

iGary

Sep 27, 2005, 07:17 AM

OK.

Time to spill the beans.

Do you have something about your current machine/machines that you don't tell your Windows friends (especially the ones that know what a nutcase™ you are about Macs) that drives you nuts.

Be honest.

Safari totally locks up my entire system sometimes taking even OS X down with it.

I didn't tell anyone about the hair in my ACD.

Sometimes the computer will load my mouse, and sometimes it won't.

Ahh...better. :D

Badradio

Sep 27, 2005, 07:19 AM

<shame>My iMac 20" has a stuck pixel.</shame>

mad jew

Sep 27, 2005, 07:24 AM

I get really bored not being able to de-fragment my drive manually, scan for viruses or restart so I end up in forums like this. :o

I don't tell them about the lack of gaming titles available but it doesn't matter because they're not geeks and I don't really care much for games. :D

gwuMACaddict

Sep 27, 2005, 07:29 AM

safari becomes unbearably slow on my 20inch iMac G5 2.0...

andy89

Sep 27, 2005, 07:33 AM

Firewire networking never work properly :(
No good playstation emus :(

chucknorris

Sep 27, 2005, 07:34 AM

Hmmm....

Well, I guess the whole OS X needing several gigs free to accomodate its huge virtual memory really gets on my nerves (regardless of the functional purpose).

I would also be embarrassed to tell anybody who knew what I was talking about how pitiful the FSB on my iBook is.

chucknorris

Sep 27, 2005, 07:34 AM

Firewire networking never work properly :(

Firewire networking? You mean target disk mode?

andy89

Sep 27, 2005, 07:36 AM

Firewire networking? You mean target disk mode?

No, i mean IP over Firewire

stoid

Sep 27, 2005, 07:40 AM

Firewire networking? You mean target disk mode?

Perhaps, but there is also IP over FireWire. I've gotten it to work on occasion. It's not nearly as fast as straight FireWire Target Disk Mode (probably from the overhead of the IP protocol) but it's much nicer because you can have both machines booted into OS X and fully functional.

Chundles

Sep 27, 2005, 07:40 AM

Connecting to windows computers over the network is a bit of a problem. I preferred the Windows method where each computer was just a folder with the shared folders and printers etc inside them rather than having to mount specific folders on your desktop and not being able to see where the printers are.

Badradio

Sep 27, 2005, 07:46 AM

...IP over FireWire. I've gotten it to work on occasion.
Strangely - for a relative newbie to Macs - I've never had a problem, and it's a fantastic way to swap video files. Didn't take long to move 9gigs of music either.

Another thing I don't share is that I don't like Mac networking much. When I mount my iMac on the desktop of my iBook to move files, I nearly always get confused as to which Finder window is which and have to start again.

mad jew

Sep 27, 2005, 07:49 AM

Hmm... Safari doesn't lock up for me and Firewire networking is as fast as a hound. :confused:

I agree that the way OSX handles file-sharing leaves a little to be desired though.

Off topic: iGary, you come up with some of the coolest thread topics. :)

edesignuk

Sep 27, 2005, 07:50 AM

Safari is starting to get very much on my titties :eek: I moved back to Safari from Firefox with Tigers introduction, but I may be switching back soon :rolleeys:

kuyu

Sep 27, 2005, 07:50 AM

Any mac older than 3 years doesn't get along with new software very well. I think the embedded clock knows exactly when your warranty ends, so that stuff only stops once you can't get it fixed. :(

MattG

Sep 27, 2005, 07:54 AM

iGary

Sep 27, 2005, 07:58 AM

Sometimes my G5 loads the network, sometimes it doesn't. :rolleyes:

Verto

Sep 27, 2005, 08:04 AM

I have a dead pixel.

My Bluetooth keyboard/mouse suck more battery life in a week than my Logitech does in two months.

revisionA

Sep 27, 2005, 08:27 AM

I shouldnt really say this one.

I am using my ACD 23 inch with my Sony Vaio and the old school adc connector Apple 15 inch lcd with my g5.

For shame.

iGary

Sep 27, 2005, 08:34 AM

Come on everyone, let it out.

You'll feel better. :D

MattG

Sep 27, 2005, 08:37 AM

No, i mean IP over Firewire

Hmm...this actually works really well for me. I've got my iMac and my Powermac plugged into each other via FireWire. I've got it so they automatically mount each other (that just sounds dirty) upon booting up. I share files, iTunes, etc. with no problems at all.

MacsRgr8

Sep 27, 2005, 08:57 AM

Come on everyone, let it out.

You'll feel better. :D

Oh.. okay

I don't tell them how perfectly great my Macs work, 'cause I would feel sorry for them.

Mechcozmo

Sep 27, 2005, 09:15 AM

I can't get my internet connection to share over Bluetooth.

My PowerBook has a light area of the screen ('bout the size of your pinky nail)

I secretly love--
er...

wwooden

Sep 27, 2005, 09:23 AM

Mord

Sep 27, 2005, 09:23 AM

safari is fast as hell on my 600Mhz G3 ibook, firefox is considerably slower.

iGary

Sep 27, 2005, 09:38 AM

I am a Mechanical Engineering student and it kills me when I say that they don't have SolidWorks for the Mac. That is our bread and butter and all the people in my classes think I am crazy for using Mac because of that. It's the only place I try not to talk about me being a Mac person.

A friend of mine has an engineering degree from Virginia Tech. He was the ONLY person in his field of study with a Mac. He had to run some emulator thingy ma job to use the software.

applefan

Sep 27, 2005, 09:40 AM

MattG

Sep 27, 2005, 09:43 AM

I never tell Windows users that I have to unmount/eject external storage devises before disconnecting them. Sometimes I forget to do this and just pull the plug and get that error message telling me that bad things might happen.

Well don't feel too bad about that. Unless you're running XP SP2 (granted, a lot of people are now), it does that in all other versions of Windows.

.:*Robot Boy*:.

Sep 27, 2005, 09:44 AM

I don't have any Windows friends (I'm socially selective ;)), but if I did, I'd tell them that:

• Microsoft Messenger is a pathetic MSN client, and the alternatives aren't much better
• The SuperDrive in the PowerBook can't be flashed yet
• The SuperDrive in the PowerBook is very picky with DVD+/-R media
• My PowerBook has rendered me sterile

So... yeah... nothing too major (other than the sterility :()

devilot

Sep 27, 2005, 09:45 AM

I have one friend who's a serious gamer so I agree w/ mad jew; it's a bit of a bummer to admit that so many games aren't available.

What else... umm... bummer that the beautiful keyboard gets so grimy and dirty (darn those clear sides!).

iGary

Sep 27, 2005, 09:46 AM

• The SuperDrive in the PowerBook is very picky with DVD+/-R media

So is the Dual-Layer burner in my PM.

I stalls when writing on any el-cheapo DVD media.

It seems to like Sony DVD's the best. :confused:

notjustjay

Sep 27, 2005, 09:48 AM

• My PowerBook has rendered me sterile

Err.... you're serious?

My gripe is the dead pixel on my 12" Powerbook. Out of a 1024x768 screen, I get one dead pixel - while in the past years prior, I have purchased 3 Dell laptops - one at 1024x768, one at 1400x1050, and one at a whopping 1920x1200 LCD resolution -- we're talking millions and millions of total pixels -- never any dead ones.

And my first Powerbook and WHAM.

Not cool.

Eric5h5

Sep 27, 2005, 10:04 AM

Do you have something about your current machine/machines that you don't tell your Windows friends (especially the ones that know what a nutcase™ you are about Macs) that drives you nuts.

Be honest.

OK. Honestly: no, nothing comes to mind. Sorry....

--Eric

Palad1

Sep 27, 2005, 10:05 AM

freeny

Sep 27, 2005, 10:05 AM

AmericanIdiot12

Sep 27, 2005, 10:18 AM

the only people i really tell that macs are better are my parents

I lied and told my dad my mac mini came with microsoft office so now i have to work around that

for some reason my printer wasnt working over the network even though i told my dad macs were plug and play with everything

also never tell my dad that my mac freezes (usually when i have 8+ programs running though, his computer can hardly handle more than 3)

that all i can think of

mpw

Sep 27, 2005, 10:21 AM

What you don't tell your Windows ® friends...

* Screen navigation using the keyboard shortcuts.
* Sloth like MS Office 2004
* Fan noise on my iMac G5
* The porn collection in the baseme.....well I don't mention that to anyone actually. :o Probably best you just forget I mentioned it.

plinden

Sep 27, 2005, 10:22 AM

Well don't feel too bad about that. Unless you're running XP SP2 (granted, a lot of people are now), it does that in all other versions of Windows.
And the Windows "eject" method is pretty awkward, having to hunt down that icon with the green arrow in the task bar.

On the thread topic, I don't have a Mac so I can't not tell anyone about what I don't like.

fayans

Sep 27, 2005, 10:30 AM

One of the very first comment my friend made on my new mini was there wasn't a scroll button on the mouse. Thats was before mighty mouse was born. "But it was sexy" she said later. :)

.:*Robot Boy*:.

Sep 27, 2005, 10:31 AM

Err.... you're serious?

Am I the only one who's experienced the dull testicular ache? I assumed that the subtle pain was indicative of sterility. Hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe it's giving them super-strength! :D ;)

eva01

Sep 27, 2005, 10:32 AM

hmmm I have never really had a problem with my Macs ever, nothing totally locks up the system. Very rarely a program will crash (even less so is that the programs built into OS X crash even less). I have not had a problem with displays.

My only problem is that i had an iBook G3 that had the logic board failure but Apple replaced it with a powerbook so i have zero qualms about that.

Honestly Apple and Bose and Nintendo are the best (big) companies i have ever dealt with in my life. Sony and MS on the other hand i have never had a good thing to say about either. From sony i always get faulty hardware that fails within a few months. And MS well we all know about them.

.:*Robot Boy*:.

Sep 27, 2005, 10:34 AM

So is the Dual-Layer burner in my PM.

I stalls when writing on any el-cheapo DVD media.

It seems to like Sony DVD's the best. :confused:

My PowerBook has acquired a taste for Imation DVD-Rs, it'll spit out anything else without even attempting to burn it :mad:

Palad1

Sep 27, 2005, 10:40 AM

Am I the only one who's experienced the dull testicular ache? I assumed that the subtle pain was indicative of sterility. Hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe it's giving them super-strength! :D ;)

Just make sure you name your son Steve, so HIS plan will be 100% complete.

I, for one, welcome our Apple-Genetically Engineered Offspring Overlords.

Applespider

Sep 27, 2005, 10:41 AM

I don't talk to my Windows friends about my Mac at all. They're not interested in switching (on the one occasion that we all ended up in an Apple Store in Chicago, they couldn't get past the no 'full screen' button long enough to actually log into their webmail).

They use their computers but they don't like them in the same way I like my Mac. I'm expecting that my pal who uses Windows editing software a lot will start offering advice when I start using iMovie but since we'll both have only used our own platform's application, how much sense we make to each other will be questionable.

If I had to pull out something to not tell a potential? That it's harder to chat to friends on MSN since some of the advanced Messenger functions aren't available; that you definitely need lots of RAM to help OSX stay more stable and that they're likely to find themselves spending a lot of time on Mac websites since there's more inclination to keep up to date with Apple gear than PC stuff! :p

i4k20c

Sep 27, 2005, 10:44 AM

I don't tell them about how my powerbook isn't flat!!! What kinda ****** is that, nice looking computer, 1700 bux worth, but doesn't sit flat!!! It ticks me off so much! Oh yah and sometimes when i'm playing a .wmv in vlc, vlc will quit out on me and it keeps on doing it, so eventually i jus have to play it in windows media player..

But the flat thing, that ticks me off so much!

jsw

Sep 27, 2005, 10:46 AM

I hate that the "home" and "end" keys don't work (usually) the way I want them to.

I hate that I need to go to the bottom right corner to resize a window.

I miss being able to create new documents of various types by right-clicking on the desktop.

My Macs do lock up/crash occasionally.

Safari slows to a crawl way too often, and it has nothing to do with bandwidth.

I don't like that... wait, I just can't go on with this.

*** runs off crying ***

Arnaud

Sep 27, 2005, 11:11 AM

Mmm...
- iMac G5 fan noise (and anyone reading my previous posts will know about that);
- networking with PCs: I stopped trying after some attempts (but I've sold my PC now anyway :p );
- the right-bottom corner for resizing a window;
- the fact that many drivers are updated for PC only, and you end up with crappy Mac versions (obviously compiled by an intern and forgotten afterwards);
- iSync doesn't want to sync with my Sony S700i;
- iSync didn't want to sync with my former PDA Sony Clié;
- most of the software for my Sony DSC-F828 is only for PC;
- Sony doesn't love Apple (in general).

Well, other bad comments too, but I think I'd be kinda picky :p

Now, to all the people complaining about dead pixels , I can tell you I had some pixels killed under my very eyes. About 5 years ago, some people didn't like the music coming from the party in my flat (I suppose; or maybe they were just jealous of my social life). Some 1-digit-IQ-ape threw a stone through my (closed) window. The stone reached less than 1m away from my PB3400, but pieces of glass flew through the room, and I had 2 small pieces of glass stuck in my screen afterwards (like, 2 spots, killing maybe 2-4 pixels). Well, nobody got hurt, so that's better. But a good point for Apple: the PB kept on working, despite the pixels DOA :D

(PS: I'll look for a picture, but I'm not sure if I can find it, and it was the resolution of a Quicktake 100 anyway...)

(PPS: .:*Robot Boy*:. what about http://www.findadoctor.com ???)

IEatApples

Sep 27, 2005, 11:26 AM

OK.

Time to spill the beans.

Do you have something about your current machine/machines that you don't tell your Windows friends (especially the ones that know what a nutcase™ you are about Macs) that drives you nuts.
Well I keep quiet about my eMacs 167MHz system bus. :o
I usually go crazy explaining how much better Mac is then peeeee (you get the point). :D

.:*Robot Boy*:.

Sep 27, 2005, 11:29 AM

.:*Robot Boy*:. what about http://www.findadoctor.com ???)

It seems to me that most doctors aren't particularly eager to *giggle* touch a case like mine :eek:

Note To Self: Cease talking about genitalia in public forums.

ChrisBrightwell

Sep 27, 2005, 11:31 AM

I have problems with a key sticking on my bluetooth keyboard (Apple official whatever). Grr.

Studawg7

Sep 27, 2005, 11:32 AM

The power cord that comes with any powerbook/ibook will eventually cease to function and you will need to shovel out $80+ bucks to replace it. I've read this happening as early as 3 months after purchase, mine waited about 2 and a half years (I was lucky). Safari crashes constantly on a G5 but works fine on my titanium (both running tiger). And yes palad1 I get that same small buzzing shock occasionally, keeps me awake durring late nights :)

YES i am not the only one!!! Why are the power bricks 80 ****** bucks?? This is the one thing i didnt like about my ibook. everything else is great, but come on, the power brick shouldnt go bad in a little over a year!

dsyntax

Sep 27, 2005, 11:35 AM

Yeah...I try to avoid the subject of my four logic board failures on my iBook. Doesn't look so good when trying to convince people Apple computers are superior.

jiv3turkey748

Sep 27, 2005, 12:03 PM

i dont tell them that macs are more epensive..

thats about it i really dont have any problems with my computer

AdamR01

Sep 27, 2005, 12:06 PM

Yeah...I try to avoid the subject of my four logic board failures on my iBook. Doesn't look so good when trying to convince people Apple computers are superior.

I'm on my 5th one :eek:. Thats one thing I don't mention. I also dont mention that Safari sucks (atleast Camino works great) and that Dashboard uses grotesque ammounts of memory. Why should a widget that just goes to a webpage to download stuff use 20mb of ram?

yenko

Sep 27, 2005, 12:08 PM

After I listen to their story, I just politely shake my head in agreement and as I turn away, I'm flooded with a sense of cynicism and my mind goes into hysterical laughter. :D:D

This is especially true of people who have told me about their dilemma with PC's and after suggesting a Mac, they chose to nurture their dysfunctional behavior. :(

...but to reply directly to the topic of this thread; I've had no real issues with the recent builds of OS X and since I'm a recovering mac evangelist, I say nothing. :eek: Part of my therapy. :D

floyde

Sep 27, 2005, 12:11 PM

Am I the only one who's experienced the dull testicular ache? I assumed that the subtle pain was indicative of sterility. Hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe it's giving them super-strength! :D ;)

Nope, you're right. It is sterility, and it is usually followed by Severe Impotence Disorder (or SID) ;) Or so I've heard...
But if you think this is Mac-exclusive then you've obviously never had a Dell Inspiron on your lap :eek:

.:*Robot Boy*:.

Sep 27, 2005, 12:17 PM

Nope, you're right. It is sterility, and it is usually followed by Severe Impotence Disorder (or SID)

*chokes* Right, I think it's about time to invest in some kind of cooling device :(

velocityg4

Sep 27, 2005, 12:23 PM

That a PMac G4 800 with 768mb RAM and a Radeon 8500 64 mb couldn't run Knights of the Old republic, DOOM 3 and barely ran Jedi Knight 3: Jedi academy. Had its motherboard fail. This broken machine fetched enough on ebay to build a PC with Athlon 64 3000+ and Radeon 9600 pro 256mb which crushes Jedi Knight and KOTOR 1/2. And does respectably well on DOOM 3.

I just hate telling windows friends that my 4 year old Mac that couldn't do any real prductivity any more broke. Then that broken obsolete mac got me a brand new high speed gaming PC.

Savage Henry

Sep 27, 2005, 12:25 PM

I kinda don't mention my Macs; it enables me to walk around with a look of self-satisfying superiority...

<--.... like that.

Other than that I sorta don't tell them about the vast list of apps that are not available on the Mac format and mumble vaguely that "oh there's probably some open source equivalent out there ... just search on the right sites ....."

As far as the Mac itself, it would have to be the sense of speed loss when you go from one format to the other.

Oh and the firewire could well be redundant.

ewinemiller

Sep 27, 2005, 12:27 PM

I hate that the "home" and "end" keys don't work (usually) the way I want them to.

I agree, but there actually is a fix for this. Stole this tip from some where else, don't remember where.

Create a file ~/Library/KeyBindings/DefaultKeyBinding.dict with this
content:

/* ~/Library/KeyBindings/DefaultKeyBinding.dict - Home/End keys more like Windows */
{
"\UF729" = "moveToBeginningOfLine:"; /* home */
"\UF72B" = "moveToEndOfLine:"; /* end */
"$\UF729" = "moveToBeginningOfLineAndModifySelection:"; /* shift + home */
"$\UF72B" = "moveToEndOfLineAndModifySelection:"; /* shift + end */
"^\UF729" = "moveToBeginningOfDocument:"; /* control + home */
"^\UF72B" = "moveToEndOfDocument:"; /* control + end */
}

agreenster

Sep 27, 2005, 12:34 PM

ohcrap

Sep 27, 2005, 12:44 PM

I don't hold back any details about using a Mac to my Windows-using friends and family - I give all the good and all the bad when talking about anything related to my Mac experience. :D

The only bad things I've really had to share with anyone were:

1. Not compatible with our HP Officejet All-In-One (yet).
2. The way the sound console (or whatever) sleeps when no sound is played for x amount of time, then when you do something like send an Instant Message, the sound effect is delayed by almost 2 seconds.
3. Will see but not connect to my iPaq.
4. Expensive... but I always add that you do get what you pay for.. :D

nbs2

Sep 27, 2005, 01:32 PM

My PowerBook has a light area of the screen ('bout the size of your pinky nail)
Where on your screen is it? Mine is in the middle, about 1/4 of the way up. Obviously it depends on your text size, but I'm typing this in Safari, and it is where the "ili" is in smilies.

I don't tell people about that. Nor do I mention how slow Safari/Dashboard are sometimes. And the latch...but that is going to get fixed while I am out of the country.

puckhead193

Sep 27, 2005, 01:40 PM

how much i paid for my powerbook and accessories :eek:

MattG

Sep 27, 2005, 01:57 PM

Yup, sometimes my G5 sees my Powerbook on the network, sometimes it doesnt. I hate that because then i have to unplug the network, try again, then try putting it to sleep and waking it up, and sometimes, eventually I have to restart. Boo!

OSX Networking really leaves something to be desired. It's really annoying that there are things that after four major revisions still aren't fixed. For example: If I'm at work and I mount a network drive, then put the computer to sleep and take the computer home without unmounting the drive, when I wake it up at home, the computer will lock up for about a minute when it realizes the mounted drive is no longer available. I'm unable to do anything; I get the spinning beach ball for about a minute, until it finally comes up with a dialogue box that says "(share) is unavailable" and it gives me an option to disconnect. This is something that Windows handles MUCH better.

iDM

Sep 27, 2005, 02:05 PM

I'm going to be either shot or banned for saying this, but i can't stand the way itunes creates all those damn folders and does not store all the music in just one.

The real thing that ticks me off is how SLOW iPhoto is. Granted i have 17,000 pictures but doing anything with them takes forever, resize, or organize. The fact that I burn my pics to a disc then re import them and they are all jumbled and lost all the organizing i did, while also importing the originals and stuff it non-sense. I had 10K pictures, formated the drive and re-imported the pictures and now i'm upto 17K it's ridiciulous that i have to go back through them. I saw my friend using Picassa and I didn't wanna show to much interest but on his old broken Dell he was scrolling up and down, making changes on the fly all without a single hiccup, i didn't wanna show to much interest

ChrisBrightwell

Sep 27, 2005, 02:10 PM

I'm going to be either shot or banned for saying this, but i can't stand the way itunes creates all those damn folders and does not store all the music in just one. Call me crazy, but the last thing I want is 6000+ MP3s in *one* folder. Ugh.

My biggest complaint, right now, about OS X is the lack of a *good* image browser. iPhoto is fine for some things, but I don't want to add every image I ever use to iPhoto just to be able to browse it easily.

OS X really needs an app like ACDSee (http://www.acdsystems.com/products/acdsee/) for fast and easy image browsing.

Laser47

Sep 27, 2005, 02:25 PM

I hate the fact that i have to pay 70$ for a third party printer driver so that i can use my Canon printer over a network because of the fact canon is lazy. I love the fact that when we use macs in school im the only one in class who isint asking "Wheres the start button?".

Shasta

Sep 27, 2005, 02:31 PM

I hate how my Mac will stop what it is doing and devote every resource to finding the "lost" networked drive

Shasta

MattG

Sep 27, 2005, 02:33 PM

I hate how my Mac will stop what it is doing and devote every resource to finding the "lost" networked drive

Shasta

Yep, this is what I mentioned above. Obnoxious. Even Windows is smart enough to just put a red "X" on the drive until you are back on the network again and can access it. This has been happening since 10.0 -- fix it already Apple!?!?!?!!!!!11!

camomac

Sep 27, 2005, 02:37 PM

OS X really needs an app like ACDSee (http://www.acdsystems.com/products/acdsee/) for fast and easy image browsing.
ACDSee does make a mac version, but it isn't as good.

i like adobe's picture bridge (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/bridge.html) that comes with photoshop CS2

things that i don't like in OS X:
cut/paste of files into different directories
resizing windows from only 1 corner
playing of various movies types (yes, even with VLC)
the [home] and [end] buttons which work in some apps and not others
the way itunes stores my mp3's (still working on this...)

but all in all, i love my mac.

nate

Sep 27, 2005, 02:47 PM

I rarely have problems on my Powerbook, and it's a year and a half old. I think it has actually improved since I added Tiger. Everything seems to work smoother and faster.

Programs that I usually use are Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Adobe Acrobat Professional and Word 2004. I also use MSN Messenger and Yahoo IM to talk to my friends, since most of them are Windows users.

Occasionally, I'll have small problems that are quickly resolved. All of my programs open up well and quickly, and they don't crash very often.

Things I'd like (it isn't apples fault) is to use google earth (my roommate keeps flaunting that), and use yahoo's launch music video service. Little things like that.

Programs that I use all the time for my business are on the Mac, so I don't end up feeling that I need the zillions of other junky programs out there for Windows. Don't get me wrong, because there are a lot of good Windows-based programs, but there's a lot of junky ones I've had to deal with in the past. And I'm glad that there's no spyware or adware in free or shareware programs for the Mac.

I'm really used to a Mac now and it feels weird when I hop onto a Windows machine -- I've been caught trying to use Expose on Windows, just to find out there is none. No spotlight either (I love spotlight).

I don't play with my Widgets as much anymore (gee, that sounds dirty), only when I need a calculator or want to know what the temperature is.

I NEVER use Automator. Don't get me wrong, it looks like a fine program, but I just never had the time or need to use it. Same with apple scripts.

I like Safari and Firefox -- a thousand times better than Internet Explorer. I don't know why people still use IE. Probably because it's just there... Doing both print and web design, I can say that IE is the bane of all web designers. It just doesn't work correctly or it doesn't support new technologies (ie rendering PNG transparency correctly).

I like Mac Mail better than Outlook -- much better! Thunderbird is a good mail client, too.

But I've got question for all of you: Do the problems and limitations you experience on your Mac make you want to switch to Windows?

Also: What is it about Windows that you've found annoying? Was it those Windows annoyances that made you switch to Mac, or was it something else?

--nate :)

Nickygoat

Sep 27, 2005, 02:51 PM

I hate the way that iPhoto beeps when I run a slideshow - it sounds like a cricket on helium. Changing the power performance doesn't help and I don't want to disable NAP which is the only solution I've read about so far.

fayans

Sep 27, 2005, 02:59 PM

.....But I've got question for all of you: Do the problems and limitations you experience on your Mac make you want to switch to Windows?
Never ever thought of it!

Also: What is it about Windows that you've found annoying? Was it those Windows annoyances that made you switch to Mac, or was it something else?
Viruses/spywares/defragmentation/and simply windows :mad:

floyde

Sep 27, 2005, 03:06 PM

Ok, this one is really stupid but also incredibly annoying (I get angry when I think about it :mad: ): Don't you just hate how the mouse pointer on the login screen appears on the upper left corner (instead of the friggin' center where it should be) and you have to drag the mouse all the way down (it's a long distance on a 17" display) to get to the "username" textbox?! Why!? And tap-to-click doesn't work on the login screen either...

Also, dashboard is cool, but widgets are created mostly by incredibly incompetent pseudo-developers who think that "it's ok" for a widget to use 90% of the processor and 90% of the system memory just to display a static picture of homer simpson.

And some more:
-The networking problems mentioned above.
-Macs give you OCD (you have to wash hands before using them, you need sterilized q-tips to clean them, you have to buy a second set of peripherals so that you won't damage the originals that have cute little apples on them, etc.)
-If I see another "counter" widget I'm going to puke.
-Although you can tile windows with expose, you can't leave them tiled so that you can read a document while you create another document about the first document on another app (for instance).

I feel much better now :D I still love my mac.

WillMak

Sep 27, 2005, 03:35 PM

watching .wmvs are a bitch with Mac OS x.

FoxyKaye

Sep 27, 2005, 03:39 PM

Stuff I never tell my Windows people:

* Safari won't load my bank Web site, won't properly allow responses to online polls (try answering a poll at www.sfgate.com), and is crash prone, so I don't use it anymore.

* There's hardly any drivers for off the shelf hardware, and those that do exist act like they were written in the 1970s. All those digital tape recorders, PCI cards, super sound gear and proprietary programs to support them - OS X drivers aren't made or supported.

* In the nonprofit sector, there's nothing that can compete with BlackBaud's software for fundraising and finances that works on OS X. Believe it or not, one company is still developing its fundraising software for OS9 in 2005! Their vendor got an earful from me...

* Using a Mac and an iPaq together are like trying to keep oil and water constantly mixed. Missing Sync in its 2.x.x version has been a great disappointment.

p0intblank

Sep 27, 2005, 03:41 PM

Things I'll admit that I like better on Windows rather than OS X:

- mouse movement feels a lot better and faster
- exploring files over a network is quicker and sometimes easier
- Photoshop runs a lot better, but that's because my PC is beefed up (I plan to get a Power Mac soon, so this will change :p)

But that's exactly why I still use both a Mac and a PC: for different reaons and likings. I'm more biased towards my Mac because I am an Apple whore like that :p, but that doesn't mean my PC is awesome too... because it is, but I just use it for games and whatnot. My Mac is used for everything else like video production, graphic design, digital photography, etc. Eventually I am going to outgrow my PC and move to Mac entirely. I'm not a huge PC gamer anyway, so my consoles can handle the gaming duties just well. :)

I went WAY too into that, huh? ;)

Diatribe

Sep 27, 2005, 03:44 PM

Hello my name is Diatribe and I am a Windows user...

...ooops, wrong thread. :D

Seriously there is little about this machine actually going wrong. The only two things bothering me are:

• Tiger beta up until 10.4.3
• corrosion on my Powerbook's palm rests

Other than that it is perfect.

zap2

Sep 27, 2005, 03:50 PM

i make lov... i mean when it crash or any little thing goes wrong i do not like to talk about it ,i mean it has so few flaw why brign them up? :p

rdowns

Sep 27, 2005, 06:59 PM

Safari is starting to get very much on my titties

Next week's avatar?

risc

Sep 27, 2005, 07:22 PM

I have 3 Macs, a PowerBook G4, an iMac G5, and a Power Mac Dual G5 all of them work perfectly, if anything I guess my friends would like me to stop raving on about how good they actually are!

Phazer80s

Sep 27, 2005, 07:50 PM

Here's my list:

- Mac hardware is simply more expensive for the power of what's supplied (with the exception of the iBook line and possibly the new Mac mini, which are great values)
- not only is the money spent on the one-button mouse included with the desktop models essentially wasted for those who used to right-clicking, but they'll need to spend more (on top of their system purchase) to replace it

- crippled Messenger client (which means a lot to IM users here in Canada)
- poor webcam support unless you want to buy an iSight. Heck--why not toss in a HD camcorder while you're at it?

- some website-embedded Windows Media content won't play (because of ActiveX controls? Anybody?) I've looked up the URLs of some of these files through their page's source code and viewed them externally. What a hassle. Also, it doesn't always work.
- WMV3 files won't play at all
- some .avi files require conversion with secondary apps (ie. DivX Doctor 2; ) others won't play correctly at all
- no ability to use media Yahoo!'s Launch site
- some sites (although few) restrict access to IE for Windows

- sluggish window resizing
- the inconsistent behaviour of the green resizing button

Whew! Feels good to get that out!

Of course the benefits outweigh these drawbacks for most. But I'll only introduce them into conversation after bringing up the advantages of our platform.

ChrisBrightwell

Sep 27, 2005, 08:19 PM

watching .wmvs are a bitch with Mac OS x.Not if you install WMP for OS X.

AP_piano295

Sep 27, 2005, 08:32 PM

I HATE HOW APPS REFUSE TO FILL THE SCREEN :mad:

katie ta achoo

Sep 27, 2005, 09:04 PM

I HATE HOW APPS REFUSE TO FILL THE SCREEN :mad:

Just stretch it out if it bugs you that much.

Up until about last month, I was still "in windows mode"
Everything was maximized, it was... bleh.

Now, my windows are as big as they need to be an maximized windows freak me out. (well, not freak me out, but .. you know. I don't like them)

but.. I don't tell my windows friends.. Hmm..
I tell them everything! I GLOAT! MUAHAH!

It's mostly like:
Windows user: IE crashed again.
Me: That was the first thing I deleted off my PB. Try FireFox
Windows user: I don't have a Mac
Me: *bangs head on desk*

Hehe.. IE.

I also tell them that if they need any tech support.. to get a Mac and go to the genius bar. :)
(and that my house is NOT a genius bar.)

eva01

Sep 27, 2005, 09:06 PM

Now, my windows are as big as they need to be an maximized windows freak me out. (well, not freak me out, but .. you know. I don't like them)
Hehe.. IE.

even when i rarely used windows i NEVER EVER EVER maximized windows, they were always just as large as they need to be, and then some jackass at the hospital will maximize the IE window and i will go on a tizzy because i despise of maximized windows.

thank god for no maximized windows or i would go insane

Eastend

Sep 27, 2005, 09:07 PM

I have a Dell 24 inch monitor and Apples 23 inch ADC side by side. I have calibrated both monitors so I now know them well. The Apple Monitor while nice in every way is a little pinkish all around the screen for about 1 inch. To be honest I probably would not have paid any attention to it, but after calibration it is now irritating me. All monitors are not created equal, the Dell monitor when looked at even a slight angle fades out, the Apple monitor can be looked at at almost a 180 degree angle and it looks great, of course when you are working who looks at a monitor at angles? Also colors look brighter on the Apple monitor this cannot be calibrated into the Dell, so is the Dell the perfect one or is the Apple the perfect one? I give up.

Brian

devilot

Sep 27, 2005, 09:09 PM

even when i rarely used windows i NEVER EVER EVER maximized windows, they were always just as large as they need to be, and then some jackass at the hospital will maximize the IE window and i will go on a tizzy because i despise of maximized windows.

thank god for no maximized windows or i would go insaneSame here... well, minus the whole bit about hospitals and jackasses. I really don't like full windows. How the heck can you see everything else? :p

Phatpat

Sep 27, 2005, 11:29 PM

I don't tell them how iPhoto corrupted my photos, or how itunes corrupted some of my music, causing my iPod to crash.

And I try to keep my PC for running Pro/Engineer (and Picasa) quiet as well.

Mechcozmo

Sep 27, 2005, 11:47 PM

I HATE HOW APPS REFUSE TO FILL THE SCREEN :mad:

I like this! I can have 8 apps USABLE on the screen at once instead of just one! One major reason why I've started to use TextEdit over Word--it takes up less screen estate! :D

me_94501

Sep 27, 2005, 11:49 PM

The Finder kind of sucks. The beachballs get irritating.

The number one thing I don't tell Windows friends? Just how irritating it is to be a Mac user and put up with ignorant clueless Windows users! Ugh! :mad:

yellow5

Sep 27, 2005, 11:55 PM

Ummm...

1. My $3,000+ PowerMac G5 only has 3 USB ports and 2 Firewire(400) ports...and one of each of those are used to power the "hub" on my ACD...Last time I checked Dell's came with more than I could count on 2 hands.

2. You have to shell out $50 for an Apple mouse with a scrollball, you can't even "upgrade" to it in the Mice and Keyboard section of the Apple Store. Then you have 2 mice. :rolleyes:

I'd never go back to Windows through. :shudders:

JoeDIG

Sep 28, 2005, 12:08 AM

safari becomes unbearably slow on my 20inch iMac G5 2.0...

Safari RSS is forever crashing on my machine. It doesn't bring down anything with it, but the slightest little JScript error on a page and bam, done. Especially frustrating with 5 tabs open.

JoeDIG

Sep 28, 2005, 12:18 AM

I have problems with a key sticking on my bluetooth keyboard (Apple official whatever). Grr.

Ditto. Have to log off to stop the tab order dancing at times. :mad:

barneygumble

Sep 28, 2005, 12:19 AM

I paid 800 dollars for 2 yr old tech with no keyboard monitor and mouse in a nice case,

wouldn't change it though, most likely to get rev b intel powermac

beatle888

Sep 28, 2005, 12:35 AM

safari becomes unbearably slow on my 20inch iMac G5 2.0...

sorry to take over the thread with this bit of info but....

System Preferences > Network > now look for the TCP/IP tab and at the bottom you should see a button for CONFIGURE IPv6. Turn this OFF.

then if your running a wireless modem or router try configuring the PROTECTED MODE option to its off setting. this is what the definition says about PROTECTED MODE

Protected Mode
NOTE: In most situations, best performance (throughput) is achieved with Protected Mode OFF. If you are operating in an environment with HEAVY 802.11b traffic or interference, best performance may be achieved with Protected Mode ON.

i turned mine OFF. with these two changes to my setup i now have FAST web browsing. turning OFF CONFIGURE IPv6 in the Network preferences didnt really do much but i was told it could slow things down...but the second suggestion about the PROTECTED MODE made a world of difference. its like when safari was just released, remember how fast it was.

try at your own risk.

40167

Sep 28, 2005, 12:48 AM

Err.... you're serious?

My gripe is the dead pixel on my 12" Powerbook. Out of a 1024x768 screen, I get one dead pixel - while in the past years prior, I have purchased 3 Dell laptops - one at 1024x768, one at 1400x1050, and one at a whopping 1920x1200 LCD resolution -- we're talking millions and millions of total pixels -- never any dead ones.

And my first Powerbook and WHAM.

Not cool.

It's cases like that where it would be nice to (somehow) break a few more pixels so your up to the limit where a company would replace the display.

And I generaly don't tell my Windows friends how old my fastest mac is, lol. 333mhz; just becuase its fun to watch them use it and think it's a much newer system.

Cloudgazer

Sep 28, 2005, 03:27 AM

Safari is starting to get very much on my titties :eek:

Except Kiera Knightly doesn't have titties.
Bee stings maybe, but not titties.

So far, there is nothing I don't tell people about my Mac.
(well, except for the lack of games)
\
I am truly a happy switcher.

caveman_uk

Sep 28, 2005, 04:44 AM

YES i am not the only one!!! Why are the power bricks 80 ****** bucks?? This is the one thing i didnt like about my ibook. everything else is great, but come on, the power brick shouldnt go bad in a little over a year!
My first one lasted TWO DAYS!

My other secrets.

1) My ibook had it's logic board go phut (just the once-sold it now)
2) My powerbook may one day think it only has one memory slot.
3) You can only use my powerbook on battery whilst it's on your lap otherwise it fries your knackers.
4) You can't put my powermac to sleep because of the PCI cards in it.

Also (not that much of a secret) - Yes you can get VirtualPC. It is VERY VERY slow.

GorillaPaws

Sep 28, 2005, 04:46 AM

Sometimes I just scroll when I don't need to with my mighty mouse; that little scrollball just feels so..... nice. But seriously, I'm kinda dissapointed w/ the mighty mouse, the scroll ball gums up every now and again (I guess from trace amounts of oil/dirt on my fingers collecting over time?), and I'm not sure about the layout of where the sensors are for right clicking, relative to how the side buttons are positioned. If I hold the mouse where I can easily squeeze 'em, then my other fingers are too far foreward to click properly, and waaaay to far foreward to scroll (esp horizontally). It just doesn't feel like it has that Apple Touch™ (i.e. things you never would think about were already thought of and solved and most people never even notice).

The other one is the gaming. I just want to have access to the games that other pc users have. I get my fix mostly from xbox, but lately I've been craving some real time strategy, and there really isn't a console solution for that prob.

And I guess on a related note, I just hate feeling like a second class citizen of the internet sometimes. It's rare, but occasionally you'll find a website that looks wonky, or that has a .wmv file that doesn't want to play. And most of the time the webmasters don't care.

Oh, and I hate how apple cripples its lower-end machines (esp. in the gpu deptartment --where you can't upgrade yourself) just to force you to by a fricken monster powermac. Ok, I'm done.... and I feel a lot better now.

Great thread topic by the way, I got a kick out of it.

rockandrule

Sep 28, 2005, 07:40 AM

Only thing that disappoints me is the range on the PowerBook's wireless card. I have a wireless network in my dorm building's atrium, and most people can get on it in their dorms (not supposed to be able, but can. Even my friends iBook can get on in my room), but I can't. Sadness overwhelms me. And no, we're not allowed to get wireless routers either, because for some reason they'll take down our network, and that has happened wayyyy too many times.

MattG

Sep 28, 2005, 07:52 AM

Except Kiera Knightly doesn't have titties.
Bee stings maybe, but not titties.

Thems fightin' words 'round these parts.

caveman_uk

Sep 28, 2005, 08:12 AM

kretzy

Sep 28, 2005, 08:36 AM

I love my PB, but there are a few things that give me the s***s"

- Not so great battery life
- Dashboard fonts have mysteriously turned frumpy for no apparent reason (this is really really annoying)
- The base gets a little too hot for comfort sometimes
- Ever since installing the last security update, a problem has returned; when I un/plug the power adaptor the computer freezes up for up to 30 seconds (grrr!!!). This was an initial problem with Tiger, but was fixed with a little update.
- Ever since installing Tiger, I can't use a HP Colour Laserjet 1500. It worked perfectly with Panther though. Also the internal mic has stopped working.
- Slightly poor wireless reception
- Lack of game variety
- Doesn't do my homework for me

Regardless of these things I will NEVER be returning to Windows, because the benefits totally outweigh the negatives.

kjr39

Sep 28, 2005, 09:18 AM

Lets see:

- My chirping PM.
- Having to restart Safari after waking up.
- File sharing with Windows boxes.
- iTunes deciding to lose all of ratings.
- my iPod skips when it is just sitting there.

Arnaud

Sep 28, 2005, 09:48 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot one: the lack of Full Screen option in QT Player.

I mean, you fork out a rather huge pile of banknotes for what Apple wants to be the digital hub, but you still have to pay a nasty little fee to use it full screen. AND you have to pay AGAIN when there is a new release of QT.

I know there's a work-around script, and other software, but still, I think the deal is quite cheap from Apple's side.

Just the same for using MPEG-2 data with QT or iLife, where you need an additional (not free) plug-in. (Unless I'm completely wrong on that one).

Well, I never really mention this to my Windows-using colleagues...

MrSugar

Sep 28, 2005, 11:13 AM

The apple display USB hub doesn't work very often

Ichat isn't as good as advertised

Sometimes applications quit without warning....

But I love my macs with every last thread in my body. Even if apple denies some of the problems with their products, even if my applications crash and my OS becomes unstable for a day. Things always get fixed, and in the end, I am always happy and more productive.

TEG

Sep 28, 2005, 11:39 AM

Sometimes my USB Soundsticks sputter (ie sound transfers between the built-in speakers, and the Soundsticks, leaving several seconds of dead air when listening to iTunes) when downloading at 30kbps or higher over AirPort.

Sometimes my Soundsticks are not recognized when I plug my computer into them. Just reseating the USB plug does it though (usually).

I can't run SC3K in Classic Mode, must boot into OS9

Classic File Sharing (Where you could share anything to anyone) no longer exists.

AppleCare replaced my Screen, with one of lower quality (it actually had dead pixels on arrival, and what looks to be pin pricks in the plastic, and they somehow lodged a small piece of cardboard in the apple) and they wouldn't fix it.

TEG

m-dogg

Sep 28, 2005, 11:57 AM

Sometimes, for reasons unknown, my iMac won't recognize my HP printer. It's like a 50/50 shot when I hit print if it will print without me having to fiddle with it for 20 minutes. Luckily I don't print that often. But it certainly goes against the 'plug and play' reputation of the Mac.

baummer

Sep 28, 2005, 12:00 PM

I have two Lacie USB drives, 120GB. Usually when I reboot my computer, despite the two drives being powered up and plugged in, the computer doesn't mount them when it comes back up. I've got to power off the drives and power them back on to make them appear. This is particularly annoying when I have to restart the computer remotely. I can't access anything on the two drives until I'm up at the other building and can physically turn them off and on again.

This is not an issue with OS X. This happens on Windows as well. When you do a reboot, you are powering down the USB ports, which tells the USB drives there's no power, so they shut down as well. The only way to turn them back on is to manually do so. That's just the way it is.

ChrisBrightwell

Sep 28, 2005, 12:14 PM

This is not an issue with OS X. This happens on Windows as well. When you do a reboot, you are powering down the USB ports, which tells the USB drives there's no power, so they shut down as well. The only way to turn them back on is to manually do so. That's just the way it is.... I've never had this problem.

baummer

Sep 28, 2005, 12:26 PM

... I've never had this problem.
Hmm I've had it on my XP machine at work in addition to my Mini at home. Maybe you're lucky.

ericssonboi

Sep 28, 2005, 12:49 PM

Beligerent

Sep 28, 2005, 01:10 PM

I dont tell my windows friends that chatting with a Mac is almost impossible. Yahoo chat has never worked, not even the text chat, nevermind the voice. MSN chat simply says "nope unsupported browser" Talkcity wont load.

iChat went downhill.. i dont tell 'em that either

stevep

Sep 28, 2005, 04:15 PM

Setting up a network printer in Tiger - aaaaaaargh!!!!!! Nightmare.

But even worse is the Apple help and knowledgebase documentation on setting up a network printer - almost as bad as the windows troubleshooters.

ahunter3

Sep 28, 2005, 05:26 PM

I like the OS but most of the highly-touted iApps I could do without.

I use GraphicConverter, not iPhoto
I use Audion, not iTunes
I use Fire or xChat, not iChat
I used iMovie once. I'm not using an alternative, I just don't edit movies much.
I am hanging onto AppleWorks, don't care for iWork from what I've seen of it

Also don't use TextEdit for much (I'm a BBEdit Liter from way back)
I don't use Mail (Eudora rules)
I don't use Safari (although I use Shiira which uses the same web engine)
Never used GarageBand (I don't even get Garageband. What does looping a bunch of prerecording soundstrings have to do with makin' music?)

I do use FileMaker (and make my living developing FileMaker solutions, in fact); FileMaker may not bear the Apple label but it's still a closely connected spinoff of the mother company. Definitely a cool Apple product.

I'm not saying Microsoft's OS comes with better homebrewed apps though. I like Excel a lot but there's not much else from the Redmond house that I care for. If I were a Windows user (ugh), I would use Firefox, Eudora (again), some decent text editor (certainly not Notepad or Wordpad), WordPerfect or WordPro with OpenOffice to deal with other folks' Word documents as needed, ...dunno what I'd use for tunes but it sure wouldn't be Windows Media Player.

Ice9ine

Sep 28, 2005, 05:56 PM

crazytom

Sep 28, 2005, 07:43 PM

I really like my Powerbook. The only thing that gets on my nerves is the annoying startup chime.

<snip>

Take care of that chime with this. (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23141)

My beef with Mac: firewire sucks! Heaven forbid if I plug TWO different devices in at once (iPod/scanner; hard drive/ipod, DVcam/hard drive, etc.). I have resorted to keeping only one thing plugged in at a time...meaning I'm under my desk (where my noisy MDD Windtunnel sits) a helluva lot more than I want to be. USB works perfectly fine with multiple devices...go figure.

mersea

Sep 28, 2005, 08:28 PM

Home/end keys.. 'nuff said
Palmrests start to look brown on iBooks...
Despite the "stability" of macs I've had several apps freeze up and once had to restart the finder..
MSN is butt-ugly (but Adium isn't :))
Dust just shows up more on white..

But there are so many more positive aspects (my fav=no spyware :D)

Mechcozmo

Sep 28, 2005, 10:20 PM

I really like my Powerbook. The only thing that gets on my nerves is the annoying startup chime.

I always forget to mute my Powerbook when I shut down. Thus, I experience immediate annoyance when startled by the startup chime. The old startup sound disabler doesn't work for Tiger so now I live a life of silent torture.

Do others in this world hate it to? If so speak up dammit!

Press and hold F3 on startup. That's the default mute key on PowerBooks. Just plain ol' F3. That kills all sound on startup up until you login, and then your sound is muted there too. If you've ever started into FireWire target disk mode, it is exactly like that but with F3 instead of T.

Cool, eh? No need for hacks, built right in!

Mechcozmo

Sep 28, 2005, 10:21 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot one: the lack of Full Screen option in QT Player.

You can use an AppleScript to open a file and then view in full screen. :)

Or use VLC.

ibook30

Sep 28, 2005, 10:28 PM

What I don't tell my PC friends....

My dog's better than your dog
My dog's better than yours
My dog's better 'cause he runs OSX
My dog's better than yours.

'cause it would hirt their feelings.

(and I am occasionally disapointed to be hung up on a spinning beach ball ...apple's beach ball and windows hourglass, why not some simple, cool animation like of two aliens mating- make it three aliens)

reberto

Sep 28, 2005, 10:37 PM

Any mac older than 3 years doesn't get along with new software very well. I think the embedded clock knows exactly when your warranty ends, so that stuff only stops once you can't get it fixed. :(

Not in my case. My 17' iMac G4 1 ghz 256 ram works fine with Tiger.

Chundles

Sep 28, 2005, 11:16 PM

caveman_uk

Sep 29, 2005, 04:02 AM

Or try Adium for chatting?

zyuzin4

Sep 29, 2005, 04:11 AM

Safari crashes sometimes
Sometimes my BT Keyboard won't connect
I can't select which photos from my camera I want to import on iPhoto

i suppose its better than my PC which I'm sure to complain about

Can't connect to wireless network
Spyware
I have 2GB of memory but sometimes game won't launch because there isn't enough memory.

Marneus

Sep 29, 2005, 04:38 AM

The lack of maximise button annoys me.

As does the inability to CUT and paste files....even more confusing is the fact the option is there but is greyed out.

Then theres just little odd things that are equally likely in Windows, like the fact to map my MX1000's mouse buttons to dashboard, expose etc either required me to guess the buttons number, or to unmap all the keyboard shortcuts so I could type then in the Logitech program I downloaded, then remap them so that F9 did actually expose etc etc.

The thing with Windows was that i'd used it for long enough, that when I had a problem, I could usually beat the damn thing into submission then walk around triumphantly claiming that I dominated Windows. I'm yet to reach that stage with Tiger yet, but then again, I haven't had a problem.

Oh, and my adress book syncs like crap with my K700i...Maybe when Apple comes out with the iCall....

RedTomato

Sep 29, 2005, 05:06 AM

safari ALWAYS crashes on exit. I have deleted the app and reinstalled several times, and it still does it. Fortunately I use Firefox anyway.

[B][SIZE=2]System Preferences > Network > now look for the TCP/IP tab and at the bottom you should see a button for CONFIGURE IPv6. Turn this OFF.

done. no difference to browsing speeds. Safari still crashes on exit too.

then if your running a wireless modem or router try configuring the PROTECTED MODE option to its off setting.

... [it] made a world of difference. its like when safari was just released, remember how fast it was.

Where do I find this PROTECTED MODE setting? It isn't in my System Prefs (Panther) nor is it in my wireless router settings (Linksys WAG54G)

thanks

RedTomato

shadowmoses

Sep 29, 2005, 11:55 AM

-Cant play games as well as a PC
-No webcam chatting for MSM messenger

Thats about all folks,

ShadOW

Kraythe

Oct 6, 2005, 06:45 AM

Am I the only one who's experienced the dull testicular ache? I assumed that the subtle pain was indicative of sterility. Hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe it's giving them super-strength! :D ;)

I would guess that your problem is that your software is not hardware and that you have no slots in which to insert your hard drive and download your small bits of DNA data.

:D :D :D :D :D

Kraythe

Oct 6, 2005, 06:54 AM

watching .wmvs are a bitch with Mac OS x.

RealAudio will do that.

:D

mjstew33

Oct 6, 2005, 07:20 AM

the only thing that comes to mind is that my ibook scratches really really easy and stuff get's under the Apple Wireless Keyboard (in the casing) and it's like impossible to get out :o

Mord

Oct 6, 2005, 08:16 AM

you know you can pop the keys off to get the dust off, if you get a toothpick and drag all the crud to one bit take the key off and take it all out.

huck500

Oct 6, 2005, 09:26 AM

I've seen the OS crash on one of the iMacs at my school, but it's never happened to me. Safari crashes ONLY WHEN the content filter my school uses flags something...like a word in one of those pop-up summaries at Yahoo News. At least it seems like that's when it happens. Firefox seems much slower than Safari to me.

The only Windows guy I knew was my brother in law, and when OSX came out, he switched... :D

Ryan T.

Oct 7, 2005, 01:46 PM

-My G5 is ridiculously picky about the the RAM it will accept.
-The power supply can't handle dirty power and will freeze / panic when someone in my apartment runs the vacuum
-After leaving my machine on for more than a few days, it will leak enough memory so that the whole machine slows down to the point where I need to reboot. I know OS X really needs more than 1GB though.

ph0rk

Oct 7, 2005, 02:18 PM

apple apps such as dvd player -still- spew video noise all over playback with my ATI radeon 9000 mac edition retail in tiger on my GE 2x500 G4.

Redline13

Oct 7, 2005, 02:56 PM

I don't tell my windows friends how ridiculously dent and scratch prone apple's Powerbooks are.

ZoomZoomZoom

Oct 7, 2005, 03:05 PM

Safari locks up.

My PB actually locked up today after waking from sleep. It wouldn't turn off from the power button, and I didn't know how to turn it off because it's got the blasted battery on it. Eventually got it to turn off by putting it back into sleep, waking from sleep, and then powering off...

gregorydanger

Oct 8, 2005, 03:11 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/gregorydanger/howmanyhours.jpg

'Nuff said. (Eh, in all honesty, that only happened once and it eventually worked -- I just left it alone for a few minutes but I still found it.. interesting..)

Oh, and I have a stuck pixel. But it only bothers me if I'm watching a video in the area where the pixel is stuck.

Beyond that, I lovelovelove my iMac.

CmdrLaForge

Oct 8, 2005, 04:42 AM

I don't tell them that every other year latest you have to buy a new operating system because otherwise new apps won't run. :mad:

Stinkysteve

Oct 8, 2005, 09:16 PM

My iBook G4 800 mHz will freeze up sometimes upon awakening after burning DVD's to an external FW drive.

If I disconnect the Fire Wire, before of during sleep, it's just fine.

Safari slows up every now and then, but clearing history and dumping the cache usually helps it out.

I tell my window$ friends to keep buying PC's, that way there will remain fewer virus and spyware programs for our platform.

cleanup

Oct 9, 2005, 03:00 AM

A chance to denounce Macs, guilt-free!

Word processors crash when I try to print and the printer doesn't respond.

Networking with Windows is a royal pain in the arse.

My cousin's iBook has a dead pixel that she hasn't noticed (but I have... shh).

Most schools won't let you use a Mac. :(

I had to hard-restart my iMac twice when I was transferring files from a Windows box downstairs because the Windows box was on Safe Mode. :p

That does feel better.

NEENAHBOY

Oct 9, 2005, 11:41 AM

I don't tell them that my PB is EXTREMELY picky when it comes to digital media; it'll only accept TDK.

MattG

Oct 9, 2005, 11:50 AM

I don't tell them that my PB is EXTREMELY picky when it comes to digital media; it'll only accept TDK.

If it's still under warranty, I would look into getting the drive replaced or something. My PB has never rejected any one brand of media, and I've thrown all sorts at it.

AP_piano295

Oct 9, 2005, 12:33 PM

AP_piano295

Oct 9, 2005, 12:39 PM

I would guess that your problem is that your software is not hardware and that you have no slots in which to insert your hard drive and download your small bits of DNA data.

:D :D :D :D :D

That took me a while to get... then I laughed and laughed and laghed fell on the fllor howling passed out from lack of air then got up and typed this :D

ohcrap

Oct 9, 2005, 12:40 PM

Powerbook metal casing kills wireless range
I get full signal in my room with my PowerBook, whereas I only get "Very Good" signal (Windows machine) on my PC with my Belkin wireless card. I am one floor and at least 6 or 7 walls (3 rooms) away from the router.

MacFan782040

Oct 9, 2005, 11:19 PM

I have 7 stuck pixles on my new iMac G5... Is this a lot?

Also, if you have a lot of stuff in Dashboard, it will take a while to launch.

And in using AIM instand messenger, it can get slow and the typing will lag after a while. I don't remember it doing this on my iBook G3.

mad jew

Oct 9, 2005, 11:33 PM

I have 7 stuck pixles on my new iMac G5... Is this a lot?

Yes. Try massaging them gently. :)

MacFan782040

Oct 9, 2005, 11:46 PM

Yes. Try massaging them gently. :)

I was gonan bring my iMac back and get a new one, but I already got it all set-up the way I wanted to. I've tried massaging them... since I really don't even notice them, should I still try to get a new one?

mad jew

Oct 9, 2005, 11:55 PM

seabass069

Oct 9, 2005, 11:58 PM

I have the same problem with my adaptec drive enclosure. I have to start and stop my MacMini 3 or 4 times for it finally mounts the drive. I have tried everywhere to find a solution. So I went and order the MiniStack from other world computing. I guess it's supposed to start when the Macmini starts. Well see.

MacFan782040

Oct 10, 2005, 12:14 PM

agreenster

Oct 10, 2005, 06:39 PM

I don't think you'll get a new one for seven stuck pixels. Sorry.

Whatever. If you complain enough, you can get it replaced for ONE stuck pixel. The greasy wheel...

AP_piano295

Oct 10, 2005, 09:46 PM

I get full signal in my room with my PowerBook, whereas I only get "Very Good" signal (Windows machine) on my PC with my Belkin wireless card. I am one floor and at least 6 or 7 walls (3 rooms) away from the router.

because the apple machines have better recivers they run the antenna up the side of the screen. Your belkin card lacks an anttena ibook vs powerbook the ibook will win wireless range every time.

ohcrap

Oct 10, 2005, 10:50 PM

Your belkin card lacks an anttena
Huh? You mean entirely? It's got a good sized antenna on it, it just loses signal every now and then... and again... and once more just a minute ago. :mad:

AP_piano295

Oct 11, 2005, 12:02 AM

Huh? You mean entirely? It's got a good sized antenna on it, it just loses signal every now and then... and again... and once more just a minute ago. :mad:

lmao lmao lmao lmao I have an overly sensitive sense of humor but seriously idk about your belkin card my pops has one on his laptop and it doesnt compare with the range I get on my ibook so idk.

cleanup

Oct 11, 2005, 04:10 AM

iMac G5s have terrible wireless reception. I'm one room, one short hallway away from my Linksys router and I routinely lose connection. The iMac just fails to see the router. Sometimes when it does see it and I try to connect, it says there was an error while connecting.

Could it be my ISP? I remember back in Canada with the same router and same Mac, I got great reception from further away (it was a much larger space though, not so small and confined, I live in an apartment now).

I was thinking of buying a Mac-compatible boosting antenna thingy, so maybe it could pick up weak signals from around my desk and bolster them a few feet to my iMac. If I still lose the connection after that I'll know something's really wrong.

Yossarian

Oct 11, 2005, 09:15 AM

iBook G4 12"

- slight creaking from ibook case (build quality not 100%)
- dragging/resizing movie windows breaks up video/audio
- dragging/resizing any window is awful compared to windows on a 300MHz P2
- staggeringly slow Quicktime UI
- lamentable FSB speeds on some models
- ibook screens are not even close to Sony et al
- slightly dodgy Dock UI
- shockingly poor package system
- oh dear god Office is slow
- lack of dev tools for cool things (PICs etc)
- no HD activity LED (didnt realise how useful it was...)
- nowhere near as light as an IBM X41

Some of these are very unfair but just a brain dump :D

simie

Oct 11, 2005, 11:04 AM

I don't tell my Windows friends that my PM has 8 Gig of ram in it and its hooked up to a 30" display.

I do tell them that I surf the net without the aid of virus killer.

davidcb13

Oct 11, 2005, 02:45 PM

myspace locks up safari one out of every 2 times I go on.... Embarrasing I know but cut me a break Im only 16...

d_and_n5000

Nov 24, 2005, 09:37 PM

do macs that aren't yours count? classic on one of my school's iBooks(the one i usually have to use for lit/writing projects, which is their only reason for life) decides that it will take longer than 45 minutes(1 class period) to finally get classic up and running, and classic is imperative to my school, as 90% of the computers are 8.6 on down, and there are only 15 laptops, 12 kids in my class, and three are used by teachers because (a), the school didn't want to buy a brand new computer for a post that previously didn't exist, or (b), in my science teacher's case, his Lombard's screen broke, so they siphoned an iBook from the lab. Good thing others work fast, and so do I. otherwise, all my assignments would be a day late.;) but all of my friends are windows people, and everyone uses macs at school, so I can't tell them anything they don't already know. Other than jaguars speed(kinda slow), there is nothing wrong with any of them. Except for when they(being the iBooks) decide that ClarisWorks 4.0 isn't good enough, so they insist on using AppleWorks, so we hafta save tweak the settings so the doc is compatible with the other 20 or so computers on the server. I'm glad i got that off my chest.:p

Les Kern

Nov 24, 2005, 10:42 PM

One thing... When I have my iDisk mounted and my network is dropping packets, the window re-draws for the iDisk take over the finder...
But see, that's not really a Mac issue.... more like a net issue. If you look back at what everyone wrote, there just isn't anything major that sticks out at me. More proff I'm spending my adult computer life in ValHalla.

Kaiser Phoenix

Nov 25, 2005, 12:01 AM

I dont tell them that with 2000US you can in fact buy an IBM ThinkPad T43P 14inch 1400x1000 with Sonoma 2.26ghz with 2mb Level 2 cache with 1GB DDR2RAM, FireGLV300 ATI, 7200RPM 100G HD compared to a G4 powerbook which is ancient in my view. That was sad.

The fact that apple used to tell everyone how superior powerpc was and now they are going Intel. Dont get me wrong, its a good move but still i dont want to remind windows users about it.

Also, I cant do WEBCAM with MSN or Yahoo msnger on the MAC! I cant chat with my girlfriend abroad! its really annoying.

colosodian

Nov 25, 2005, 12:41 AM

myspace locks up safari one out of every 2 times I go on.... Embarrasing I know but cut me a break Im only 16...

go to prefrences and turn off plug-ins. Thats whats freezing safari.

russed

Nov 25, 2005, 02:41 AM

I dont like it that spotlight isnt as quick as it was on steve's demo - bang....wait a second (or two) ..... and there is the result! but it is bloody useful for launching applications!

i dont like how iphoto creates a slideshow everytime you just press play. i only want to watch my photos not create a slideshow!

wildcard

Nov 25, 2005, 08:15 AM

Also, I cant do WEBCAM with MSN or Yahoo msnger on the MAC! I cant chat with my girlfriend abroad! its really annoying.

Odd-I have no problems with my Isight over Yahoo Messenger (video-only; audio chatting isn't supported by Yahoo for Mac.)

motherduce

Nov 25, 2005, 09:27 AM

I don't think you'll get a new one for seven stuck pixels. Sorry. There's a set ratio that Apple uses to determine when a display is bad in terms of stuck/dead pixels. I can't remember what it is, but I think you'd probably need more than seven to qualify for a new one.

Are you kidding? They should replace it if there is ONE stuck pixel. How can you guys take this crap from Apple. I'm desperate to switch, but I had a 15" PB with the line issue, battery problems, and a bad latch. I hear tons and tons of people saying that they are happy with their purchase despite stuck pixels or lines or other minor issues. Each of these issues is a defect, though, people. You pay premium prices and you settle for mediocre product? Sure the OS rocks and the hardware looks cool, but if it has problems, why in the hell do you insist on keeping it despite its problems? Wow, I've never seen so many people stick by a defective product in such a way.

A manufacturer should be held responsible when their product has problems, however minor they appear to you. Otherwise the consumer continues to lose.

Heck, I still want an Apple, but I'm going to return the next one I get if there are any issues as well, just like I would do with any other product I buy that has defects.

JeffHendr

Nov 25, 2005, 10:25 AM

Both my 15" tiBook and my 17" Powerbook freak out when it comes to sleep mode. Sometimes they won't go into sleep mode when you close the lid, but then they'll go into sleep mode when you open them. Sometimes they'll come out of sleep mode when you open them, but as soon as you push a key to deactivate the screensaver, they go straight back into sleep mode.

The latches in my 17" Powerbook won't keep the lid closed. Sometimes I'll hear it log into iChat while carrying it in its case. Often if I do carry it in the case, the battery will be dead when I take it out because the lid popped itself open. If I carry the Powerbook by hand, the lid pops open and closed while I walk, and it spits CDs/DVDs out after several cycles of opened and closed.

The Powerbook logo washes off too easily.

Keynote's conversion to Powerpoint (if you need to present with Powerpoint for class or work because they don't own Macs) leaves much to be desired--text in the wrong place, pictures shoved to the side--not cool.

I need Windows for obscure programs required for school, and Virtual PC is way too slow. On the flip-side, however, I love logging into my school's UNIX systems remotely, directly from the OS X terminal window.

Quicktime's video formats are not generally compatible with Windows (Quicktime is not allowed on our computers at work). I guess that's a Windows problem too, however, because Windows Media Player could always expand their compatibility to be Quicktime friendly.

Despite what people say about OS X's Graphics Converter app, I miss MS Paint.

Fixed problems--After the latest revision of OS X, I never have any trouble with Safari--good comaptibility with all the sites I visit and way faster than IE. The newest version of iPhoto is very fast--no more waiting for each screen to load as I cycle through 6,000 photos.

jadekitty24

Nov 25, 2005, 10:59 AM

Are you kidding? They should replace it if there is ONE stuck pixel. How can you guys take this crap from Apple. I'm desperate to switch, but I had a 15" PB with the line issue, battery problems, and a bad latch. I hear tons and tons of people saying that they are happy with their purchase despite stuck pixels or lines or other minor issues. Each of these issues is a defect, though, people. You pay premium prices and you settle for mediocre product? Sure the OS rocks and the hardware looks cool, but if it has problems, why in the hell do you insist on keeping it despite its problems? Wow, I've never seen so many people stick by a defective product in such a way.

A manufacturer should be held responsible when their product has problems, however minor they appear to you. Otherwise the consumer continues to lose.

Heck, I still want an Apple, but I'm going to return the next one I get if there are any issues as well, just like I would do with any other product I buy that has defects.
I have to agree with you. For such an expensive computer it should be PERFECT. If I dropped 2-$3000 on a computer that had any kind of physical or functional defect I'd be even more upset than if I spent 1-$1500-you just kind of expect to get what you pay for. The drop in quality over the past year has been noticable, their pumping out computers and ipods as quick as they can and sadly, sometimes quality suffers. I just couldn't afford to make such a purchase and be less than thrilled with it. Granted, a lot of complaints are silly, a lot are user-induced, etc.
As for the OP's question...I tell my windows friends everything. Whether it makes them happy or not doesn't matter to me at all. I speak the truth and would hope my friends would do the same for me. I wouldn't exclude info to influence a buddies next computer purchase. They like Windows? Let 'em stick to what they like. They want to migrate to OS X ? Cool. I can take their silly little "you can't do THIS on a Mac" comments.

ryannel2003

Nov 25, 2005, 11:10 AM

I don't tell my Windows friends....

That my wonderful eMac has had 2 kernel panics and frozen up 3 times. This would come as a complete shock to them and then they would start to laugh at me and say that Macs suck.

yellow

Nov 25, 2005, 11:28 AM

I think what I get tired of the most is dealing with all the work around to make the Mac environment function in the predominantly Windows environment here at work. For some things, the brainlessness of Windows just makes things easier.

Other than that..

being the ONLY source for Apple work here is both frustrating (no one to bounce ideas off of for some of the more difficult, undocumented stuff like Apple & Active Directory) and rewarding (job security, baby!).

generik

Nov 25, 2005, 02:17 PM

MattG

Nov 25, 2005, 02:45 PM

Well...while Apple has had some problems with select pieces of hardware, I still wouldn't use a blanket statement like "Apple hardware isn't that good quality." There are plenty of other non-Apple computers/accessories that have their fair share of problems!

What I don't tell them:

1) OSX does take a while longer to boot up (I tell them I can wake up instantly!)
2) Apple hardware is quite expensive
3) Apple hardware isn't that good quality
4) As Apple has a monopoly on their hardware I'm stuck paying rip off prices for their shoddy hardware.

mad jew

Nov 25, 2005, 02:57 PM

3) Apple hardware isn't that good quality

Please don't let your bad experiences with the PowerBook tarnish your opinion of Apple. I agree that the latest PowerBook troubles are not good enough but there are many Apple products that are very well made and quite reliable, such as the iBook. :)

generik

Nov 25, 2005, 04:19 PM

Please don't let your bad experiences with the PowerBook tarnish your opinion of Apple. I agree that the latest PowerBook troubles are not good enough but there are many Apple products that are very well made and quite reliable, such as the iBook. :)

I'm not, but from time to time when such issues come into the spotlight it does make you wonder.

For instance the other poor guy's PM G5 Quad which came with his harddrive connector snapped, such things really point to very poor QA. They can't even be bothered to power up what they build it seems.

russed

Nov 25, 2005, 04:24 PM

What I don't tell them:

1) OSX does take a while longer to boot up...

what are you using? a donkey? its quicker for me on a 12" pb than xp!

iPhil

Nov 25, 2005, 04:54 PM

Just rebooted the xp box in the house and it took 6 mins. to webpage screen :eek: :eek: .. compared to my Mac less 1 min to webpage :cool: :cool: ..

iphil

russed

Nov 25, 2005, 05:02 PM

Just rebooted the xp box in the house and it took 6 mins. to webpage screen :eek: :eek: .. compared to my Mac less 1 min to webpage :cool: :cool: ..

iphil

there we go! just what i said! :)

generik

Nov 25, 2005, 05:09 PM

Just rebooted the xp box in the house and it took 6 mins. to webpage screen :eek: :eek: .. compared to my Mac less 1 min to webpage :cool: :cool: ..

iphil

6 minutes? You must be joking?

By the same token I should add that it takes me 10 minutes to boot up Tiger on.. oh, a 300Mhz iBook with 256mb of ram!

That plain makes zero sense.

jadekitty24

Nov 25, 2005, 05:10 PM

What I don't tell them:

1) OSX does take a while longer to boot up (I tell them I can wake up instantly!)
2) Apple hardware is quite expensive
3) Apple hardware isn't that good quality
4) As Apple has a monopoly on their hardware I'm stuck paying rip off prices for their shoddy hardware.
Wow...my G3 iBook boots way quicker than my 3 ghz P4 Dell...the Dell takes a good 6 minutes (turn it on, go make a pot off coffee, get some laundry going) where as my iBook takes under 1.

generik

Nov 25, 2005, 05:12 PM

Wow...my G3 iBook boots way quicker than my 3 ghz P4 Dell...the Dell takes a good 6 minutes (turn it on, go make a pot off coffee, get some laundry going) where as my iBook takes under 1.

I am very interested to see it for myself.

Anyone can make any claim on the Internet, while I am no fan of Windows I find your claims very dubious.

I rarely experience > 40 sec boot times for my XP machines myself, on a Celeron 2.8Ghz no less.

mad jew

Nov 25, 2005, 05:13 PM

As much as it doesn't matter at all, my 800MHz iBook G4 boots up twice as fast as my 1.8GHz Pentium 4. My 1.8GHz iMac eats them both for breakfast.

jadekitty24

Nov 25, 2005, 05:15 PM

I am very interested to see it for myself.

Anyone can make any claim on the Internet, while I am no fan of Windows I find your claims very dubious.

I rarely experience > 40 sec boot times for my XP machines myself, on a Celeron 2.8Ghz no less.
Oh, in that case, come right over :rolleyes:

russed

Nov 25, 2005, 05:16 PM

iBook G4...my 1.8GHz iMac eats them both for breakfast.

mmm...its a monster!

ROAR!
:D

jadekitty24

Nov 25, 2005, 05:17 PM

6 minutes? You must be joking?

By the same token I should add that it takes me 10 minutes to boot up Tiger on.. oh, a 300Mhz iBook with 256mb of ram!

That plain makes zero sense.
Are you seriouse about the 300 mhz booting Tiger taking too long?? Gee, I wonder why...

minimax

Nov 25, 2005, 05:21 PM

Just rebooted the xp box in the house and it took 6 mins. to webpage screen :eek: :eek: .. compared to my Mac less 1 min to webpage :cool: :cool: ..

iphil

Your XP system has issues...
A clean XP install is much much faster at booting then OS X. F.i. my XP 1800+ was able to boot in about 30s. Now it boots in about 40s.

Nermal

Nov 25, 2005, 05:28 PM

mad jew

Nov 25, 2005, 05:37 PM

mmm...its a monster!

That it is. :D

A clean XP install is much much faster at booting then OS X.

Very true. It's why I get a little frustrated when people compare the speed of the two using questionable benchmarks after completely clean installs. One of the worst things about Windows is the slow down as soon as you install anything. You don't even have to necessarily be running it. :(

Even Safari does this - open several sites in tabs, and sometimes Safari will auto-switch to a certain tab when it's finished loading. I haven't been able to figure out a pattern through.

I think it's just certain websites. I remember Ultimatecarpage.com used to do this but it's since stopped for me. What other apps do the same? :)

Nermal

Nov 25, 2005, 05:39 PM

I think it's just certain websites.

A website shouldn't be able to control your OS! :eek:

mad jew

Nov 25, 2005, 05:40 PM

A website shouldn't be able to control your OS! :eek:

True. I'd argue it's controlling your browser though, not your OS because it doesn't happen for me if the browser isn't the selected app.

iPhil

Nov 25, 2005, 05:56 PM

6 minutes? You must be joking?

By the same token I should add that it takes me 10 minutes to boot up Tiger on.. oh, a 300Mhz iBook with 256mb of ram!

That plain makes zero sense.

The 6 Min. boot time on my xp box has been 6 mins since the family bought in Jan. '05 :p :p .. i do monthly virus scans on xp box still 6 min boot-time, its NOT my fault that 'xp' takes 6 mins to boot thats M$ft job ( for making a sorry OS) Xp is mostly 'BloatWare' -- IMO ..

thats probably why it takes 6 wtf minutes to boot.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

iphil

generik

Nov 25, 2005, 06:35 PM

iPhil

Nov 25, 2005, 06:57 PM

My bet is that because it is a Dell... :p

No its Hp/compaq :P .. but still no OS should take 6 wtf mins to close and reboot .. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

iphil

edit: look @ my sig. for the brand of xpbox :p

After G

Nov 25, 2005, 08:51 PM

things to complain about ...

- slow ... my iBook will have 18-20 programs running at the same time and switching between them will beachball even after I upgraded to a 7200 rpm drive and 1.25 GB of RAM.
it also beachballs when accessing drives. OS X needs a better response to sleeping hardware.
mplayer will stall on a video, and it looks ugly when it does.
- dim ... the display should be brighter. Guess I'm too used to desktop LCDs.
- hot ... this thing can burn if run with power supply.
- inconsistent ... the window scheme has degraded recently. Metal, Garageband, Aqua, unified toolbar, iTunes look, new Mail, what's next? Please, Apple, get it right in Leopard.
- ugly things ... running on thousands of colors causes artifacts in windowing, TV out is full of ugly screen glitches,
- upgrading is a pain with the all-in-one systems.
took me a while with my iBook, though the eMac was pretty nice. in and out in 30 minutes for a hard drive.

rant done.

Megatron

Nov 25, 2005, 09:04 PM

I'm finding that newer apps are getting more and more Windows-like, they love grabbing focus :mad:

Even Safari does this - open several sites in tabs, and sometimes Safari will auto-switch to a certain tab when it's finished loading. I haven't been able to figure out a pattern through.

Yes, I don't like how Safari will auto-switch focus randomly to a tab that has just finished loading.

I also don't like how Safari won't render the page fully until it has downloaded everything, so sometimes if you start scrolling down a page while it is still downloading, once it finishes, it will reset you at the top of the page.

For these reasons I use Firefox 1.5 :cool:

MBHockey

Nov 25, 2005, 09:25 PM

I am a Mechanical Engineering student and it kills me when I say that they don't have SolidWorks for the Mac. That is our bread and butter and all the people in my classes think I am crazy for using Mac because of that. It's the only place I try not to talk about me being a Mac person.

Yeah, ME student here too.

We use Pro/Engineer though -- which also has no Mac version.

Nermal

Nov 25, 2005, 09:30 PM

sometimes if you start scrolling down a page while it is still downloading, once it finishes, it will reset you at the top of the page.

Oh yes, I get frustrated with that one too.

dmetzcher

Nov 26, 2005, 04:02 AM

A friend of mine has an engineering degree from Virginia Tech. He was the ONLY person in his field of study with a Mac. He had to run some emulator thingy ma job to use the software.
That's when you get Virtual PC and run Windows on your Mac only when you need that piece of software. Mac can be used for everything else.

dmetzcher

Nov 26, 2005, 04:03 AM

I never tell Windows users that I have to unmount/eject external storage devises before disconnecting them. Sometimes I forget to do this and just pull the plug and get that error message telling me that bad things might happen.
Windows users have to do that too, or they get a similar message. You have nothing to be ashamed of there. In fact, unmounting them is easier on the Mac, IMO that on the PC.

dmetzcher

Nov 26, 2005, 04:05 AM

Err.... you're serious?

My gripe is the dead pixel on my 12" Powerbook. Out of a 1024x768 screen, I get one dead pixel - while in the past years prior, I have purchased 3 Dell laptops - one at 1024x768, one at 1400x1050, and one at a whopping 1920x1200 LCD resolution -- we're talking millions and millions of total pixels -- never any dead ones.

And my first Powerbook and WHAM.

Not cool.
This happened to me with the first iBook I bought, and the store replaced it because it was less than a week after the purchase date. Never had this issue with any Dell or Compaq notebooks though.

dmetzcher

Nov 26, 2005, 04:19 AM

I'm going to be either shot or banned for saying this, but i can't stand the way itunes creates all those damn folders and does not store all the music in just one.
You can turn this off in the iTunes preferences. You can tell it to keep the music organized or not. (Unless I'm wrong and that's not what that checkbox actually does. I've never unchecked it.)

dmetzcher

Nov 26, 2005, 04:37 AM

One major reason why I've started to use TextEdit over Word--it takes up less screen estate! :D
Me, too. That, and it starts up and lets me start typing in a fraction of the time.

manzanaloca

Nov 26, 2005, 05:12 PM

The 6 Min. boot time on my xp box has been 6 mins since the family bought in Jan. '05 :p :p .. i do monthly virus scans on xp box still 6 min boot-time, its NOT my fault that 'xp' takes 6 mins to boot thats M$ft job ( for making a sorry OS) Xp is mostly 'BloatWare' -- IMO ..

thats probably why it takes 6 wtf minutes to boot.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

iphil

Yeah, sorry but there is something wrong (and no, not because it's a Dell or has XP) with your computer.

I've been working with XP machines and Dell computers here at work for several years and I've rarely seen a pc take that long to boot up. If I were you I'd look into your startup services and check all the programs that are starting up on bootup, that may be the problem, you may have programs starting that you don't need but are slowing down the performance of your computer. Aside from virus scan are you doing scans also for adaware or spyware? That junk can really slow down your computer fast. Either that or if you still have warranty call up tech support because it shouldn't be taking that long to boot up.

MattG

Nov 26, 2005, 05:15 PM

Yeah, sorry but there is something wrong (and no, not because it's a Dell or has XP) with your computer.

I've been working with XP machines and Dell computers here at work for several years and I've rarely seen a pc take that long to boot up. If I were you I'd look into your startup services and check all the programs that are starting up on bootup, that may be the problem, you may have programs starting that you don't need but are slowing down the performance of your computer. Aside from virus scan are you doing scans also for adaware or spyware? That junk can really slow down your computer fast. Either that or if you still have warranty call up tech support because it shouldn't be taking that long to boot up.

Yeah...we've got several hundred new Dells at work, and they boot up a LOT faster than any of my Macs, even my DP G5. Something's up with your computer.

manzanaloca

Nov 26, 2005, 05:27 PM

Oh, yeah and what I don't tell my Windows friends:

I wish I had a right click button on my notebook. :o

thejadedmonkey

Nov 27, 2005, 07:25 PM

What don't I like...
I have to go to the bottom right to resize
I don't like the save file dialogue
I miss hitting Control+Alt+N to open Notepad or Control+Alt+W for wordpad.
I miss being able to make windows full size

But I am getting a new 100gig hard drive and I'm looking forward to simply cloning the drive rather than reinstalling the whole OS like I would do on XP because it needs it's yearly reinstall.

MattG

Nov 27, 2005, 07:46 PM

What I don't like:

Can't always tab between buttons, even with "full control" (or whatever it's called) turned on in the "Keyboard and Mouse" prefs.

When connecting my laptop to a network drive: putting the computer in "sleep" mode without disconnecting the mapped drive and then bringing the laptop home, open it up, computer can't find the network drive anymore, and it hangs up my computer for like 30 seconds (beach ball of death). Windows handles this MUCH better.

"Sleep" mode has never worked properly on any Apple *desktop* I've ever owned, except for my new iMac. Never has worked correctly on my DP G5, never worked correctly on my DP G4.

My G5 at work will randomly send the fans into "full blast mode" and the machine locks up completely. This is when I'm not there, not even using it.

dmetzcher

Nov 29, 2005, 12:59 PM

Oh, yeah and what I don't tell my Windows friends:

I wish I had a right click button on my notebook. :o
Ditto! This drives me nuts EVERY time I don't use my mouse.

Also, I wish Apple could develop a great two-button mouse. Please, if you are a Mighty Mouse user, forgive me. I'm sure you might love it, but I think that most of the mice I've seen and used on Windows that have two buttons are both easier to use and have a real scroll wheel, not that little ball that doesn't quite work the way it should. Mighty Mouse is nice, but it feels too much like a first attempt at a mouse, rather than technology that's building on the work of everyone else who's been making two-button mice for years.

dmetzcher

Nov 29, 2005, 01:02 PM

"Sleep" mode has never worked properly on any Apple *desktop* I've ever owned, except for my new iMac. Never has worked correctly on my DP G5, never worked correctly on my DP G4.
Would you say that this is just a desktop model issue, or have you seen it in portables as well? I ask because I have an iBook G4 and I absolutely love sleep mode. Coming from Windows, I always used to shut down my iBook, until I realized just how great sleeping it is. Now it runs for days and weeks without any issues or reboots at all.

MattG

Nov 29, 2005, 01:11 PM

Would you say that this is just a desktop model issue, or have you seen it in portables as well? I ask because I have an iBook G4 and I absolutely love sleep mode. Coming from Windows, I always used to shut down my iBook, until I realized just how great sleeping it is. Now it runs for days and weeks without any issues or reboots at all.

It's only happened to me with desktops. With any laptops I've ever owned (an iBook and several Powerbooks), sleep mode has always worked great!

crap freakboy

Nov 29, 2005, 01:45 PM

Any mac older than 3 years doesn't get along with new software very well. I think the embedded clock knows exactly when your warranty ends, so that stuff only stops once you can't get it fixed. :(
:rolleyes: Someone should tell is ole AGP Sawtooth that it should start crashing then. Seems to me its the new Macs that have more hardware/software problems than the old gear.

howesey

Dec 4, 2005, 08:43 AM

My iMac has 24 dead/stuck pixels (there are more if you look carefully), but because they are not close together Apple will not replace it.

Oh, and Finder seriously sucks. I hate the fact it has no address bar, such a pain.

xinxin

Dec 4, 2005, 08:59 AM

Oh, yeah and what I don't tell my Windows friends:

I wish I had a right click button on my notebook. :o

I was a PC laptop user before. I found that one single solid big button on Mac laptop is perfect. You can actually use one hand to do everything. While you are still able to use one hand deal with two buttons. But it is not that easy. I rarely see people using intel laptops prefer using trackpad over having a small mouse. But with Mac, I prefer using trachpad only. No need for a external mouse help me.

So I prefer apple have two button mouse but on laptop, I hope they remain single button design.

Vasileios

Dec 4, 2005, 09:41 AM

Vasileios

Dec 4, 2005, 09:43 AM

I wish that msn was as good as it for windows...
I live in Uk and all my friends use msn so i can't have a video chat with them
(i can hardly 'talk' to them with text msg as msn is always restarting, or closing then they try to send a file...)

e²Studios

Dec 4, 2005, 02:11 PM

Yahoo Messenger for Mac hasn't had an update since OS X 10.2 and lacks voice functionality along with most any new function that windows users have.. Yahoo really needs to get off their ass and make us a new client....

Ed

mikes63737

Dec 4, 2005, 07:59 PM

I don't tell them that my mac mini sometimes temporairly freezes while it's ejecting a disc. My only complaint.

AuburnTiger

Dec 4, 2005, 08:07 PM

I really have no complaints. In the year I've had my iBook, OS X has never crashed. Safari freezes up on a couple of websites, but other than that, everything runs perfectly.

maya

Dec 4, 2005, 08:10 PM

Oh.. okay

I don't tell them how perfectly great my Macs work, 'cause I would feel sorry for them.

I agree 100% with this comment. ;) :D

LaMerVipere

Dec 11, 2005, 12:33 PM

Safari sometimes locks up my entire system for 5 minutes or more. And I have to click "Force Quit" in the Apple Menu like 20 times before the Force Quit window actually comes up so that I can kill Safari that way! And once Safari is killed, my system is suddenly back to normal like nothing ever happened. I've shifted to Firefox for most of my internet browsing these days...

Sometimes I have to click icons on the desktop 3 or 4 times before the system actually double-clicks (using a logitech mouse here, with the right button set to double-click)

Spotlight isn't as thorough as Apple claims...:rolleyes:

ortuno2k

Dec 12, 2005, 12:46 AM

I hate admitting that World of Warcraft looks better in my brother's P4 with an ATI 9700 PRO than in my 20" iMac.
Oh well. I didn't buy this machine for gaming only...that's my excuse :p

generik

Dec 12, 2005, 02:35 AM

Oh.. okay

I don't tell them how perfectly great my Macs work, 'cause I would feel sorry for them.

Do you also happen to be suffering from psychological disorders and see things from time to time? Or perhaps talk to friends that noone else seem to notice? :rolleyes:

DevilDog

Dec 12, 2005, 03:12 AM

That I think it is beautiful and attractive?....

Brother Michael

Dec 12, 2005, 10:45 AM

Apple puts embarrassing low video cards in their performance machines.

I also don't tell anyone that my friends brand new powerbook has had to go in for service 3 times since he got it in August. Apple is building him a new one now.

eeyoredragon

Dec 12, 2005, 11:22 AM

there isn't anything. I tell them the bad and the good, as I like giving someone a balanced representation O.o

The bad:
wussy videocards
slow FSB on g4s
$$$
lack of games
only two usb ports on powerbook
lookupd gives me problems every other day (<-- that's truly annoying)
no support for m$ new wma codecs (but that's not shocking)
keyboard navigation for buttons often sucks

The good:
good unix dev: apache, php, perl, java preinstalled.
xcode
nice looking (both hardware and software)
fink
no registry
just in general i love os x.

yellow

Dec 12, 2005, 11:46 AM

only two usb ports on powerbook

I have a POS Dell Latitude D600 that work burdened me with..

It only has 2 USB ports..

AND it has a parallel port. A PARALLEL PORT. For a printer. Who the **** still has printers that need parallel ports? And this **** STILL comes as standard on these laptops and desktops? What the hell?

Lord Blackadder

Dec 12, 2005, 12:00 PM

Hmmm.....my complaints are general to all Macs:

- trailing-edge video cards for all but the most $$$ Power Macs, and high prices for "Mac Edition" video cards that differ only in firmware from way cheaper PC versions.

- Safari is pretty good, but probably the flakiest piece of software I have used in OS X (it caused the ONE application crash that I ever experienced on my G4).

- File sharing isn't always the best experience in the world, though it is easy to set up.

- Games are almost never released simultaneously for PC and Mac, and ports take too long when they actually happen.

However, my experience with my particular Mac has been very positive. My G4 tower has been by far the best computer I've ever had - it's fast, never crashes (well, OK, once - see above) and was fun to put together (satisfied the upgrade bug in me).

The only thing that I would change is the somewhat noisy fan - but I'm using an OC'd processor so I knew what I was getting into, and it isn't really that bad (just not Mini-quiet).

ripfrankwhite

Dec 14, 2005, 03:05 AM

I've read this whole thread and loved it. I'm still gonna get an iMac, but it makes me wonder...

My Dell NEVER crashes. IE never freezes. I don't encounter any of the problems that I read about with these Macs or Windows. Yet I still want a Mac. I've wanted one since I saw the iMac G4 when it was released. I'm wondering if I should just count my blessings because I may possibly have one of the very few worry free PCs in existence. I am not on a network, I only use my PC to download music, movies, apps, etc. I burn cds, vcds, dvds. I use iTunes, Photoshop Album (works great BTW), Word, etc. It does however have a problem when I try to use Limewire and iTunes at the same time. It will freeze if I do that. But since I know that, then I don't use them both at the same time.

Anyway, I'm still gonna get one. Just cause I wanna learn a new OS, and
OS X looks really nice.

mad jew

Dec 14, 2005, 03:16 AM

It does however have a problem when I try to use Limewire and iTunes at the same time. It will freeze if I do that. But since I know that, then I don't use them both at the same time.

Switch! A Mac will let you have LimeWire and iTunes running together seamlessly. The authorities on the other hand...

Anyway, I'm still gonna get one. Just cause I wanna learn a new OS, and
OS X looks really nice.

That's encouraging. After reading one of the worst Mac-bashing threads on these boards, you still want one. Kudos.

I think you'll love it. Despite what we're all saying here, we adore OSX. :D

xinxin

Dec 14, 2005, 11:39 PM

But hardware quality seems too terrible. It wil be great if OS X can be installed on other PCs.

Malfoy

Dec 15, 2005, 07:14 AM

The only really bad thing I can think of (besides price), is that itunes really does have perhaps the worst interface I've ever seen for a media player. I tell myself that itunes was created by an independent group and Apple just puts their name on it.

iCeQuBe

Dec 15, 2005, 10:32 AM

Come on everyone, let it out.

You'll feel better. :D

I can't get my external hard drive to mount on my Powerbook via USB2. It does mount via firewire though. It is a USB2/Firewire case. I want the extra space when working with digital video so I need the firewire port for the camera and I need the Hard Drive on USB2!!! It is frustrating.

MinorBidoh

Jan 15, 2006, 01:13 PM

the amount of crap that i get in the bottom of my keyboard!
- dust, hairs, bits of whatever, twigs, the place is a jungle! and no decent way of cleaning it! argh.

Airforce

Jan 15, 2006, 01:24 PM

But hardware quality seems too terrible. It wil be great if OS X can be installed on other PCs.

It can be. I've been running OS X on my athlon 64 pc for a few months now.

Tymmz

Jan 15, 2006, 01:36 PM

I switched a month ago to a Powerbook (12'', 512 RAM) and don't miss my Dell (P 2,4 MHz, 512 RAM, Readon 9700 Pro) at all.

I said games goodbye and that's it. I was wasting too much time with games so it wasn't a hard choice.

Never had Safari or any other app crashed except for iMovie, but I was almost forcing it to give up.

And everybody I know would love to have a Mac but they think they are too expensive.

I live with four others in a shared apartment and they always want to get hands on my sweet little PBaby.

No complaints around here!

Everyone else has a Windows-machine and every time I sit in front of one I really start to get a headache.

FFTT

Jan 21, 2006, 11:48 AM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794

MBHockey

Jan 21, 2006, 02:07 PM

That guy has obviously never used a Mac before.

He's just taking all his PC experiences and saying they were on a Mac.

SpookTheHamster

Jan 21, 2006, 02:30 PM

It gets uncomfortably hot, but sterile... wow..

What I don't tell my Windows Using Friends (tm) is that the trackpad gives a slight buzzing sensation under my thumbs when the powerbook is charging (although I love that)

Seriously, what is up with the buzzing feeling on Powerbooks when they charge? It doesn't just happen on the trackpad for me, but all over the 'Book.

My only problem with my Mac is whenever I unplug most USB devices (modems, anything) I get a kernel panic. BUT that gives me a chance to show people how much sexier a Mac spazzing is than a BSOD.

MBHockey

Jan 21, 2006, 02:40 PM

Unplug a USB device and get a panic? That's not normal...

nxent

Jan 21, 2006, 02:56 PM

A friend of mine has an engineering degree from Virginia Tech. He was the ONLY person in his field of study with a Mac. He had to run some emulator thingy ma job to use the software.

yeh,,, my story is quite reverse,,, at the aero department at michigan, most profs use macs and are pretty die hard. secrets... secrets... when safari locks up, it would be nice to go in and close that specific website that locked your computer up... also, there is an apple equivalent 'blue screen of death'... only it's not blue... it's black and the whole screen grays and says 'you need to restart your computer', albeit it does so in a very 'elegant' fashion. i feel that not very many people have seen this...

nxent

Jan 21, 2006, 02:58 PM

Seriously, what is up with the buzzing feeling on Powerbooks when they charge? It doesn't just happen on the trackpad for me, but all over the 'Book.

My only problem with my Mac is whenever I unplug most USB devices (modems, anything) I get a kernel panic. BUT that gives me a chance to show people how much sexier a Mac spazzing is than a BSOD.

about that buzzing, sometimes my ipod does it too (when it's charging)... same type of buzzing on tv antennas... any electrical engineers here to explain that?

nxent

Jan 21, 2006, 03:01 PM

cnakeitaro

Jan 21, 2006, 08:10 PM

My AVI DIVX media skips on my iBook G3 700 mhz. Oh wait, and it doesn't on a PII 400? Someone explain this one to me.... No one must know! oops...too late

jhero

Jan 21, 2006, 08:16 PM

hahahaha, is that so??!

The interface isn't that bad??...

Glenn Wolsey

Jan 21, 2006, 08:21 PM