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MacDawg
Oct 3, 2005, 03:03 PM
Anybody else see this?? Did a search and didn't find a thread...

Wicked...

Link to story (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450117,00.html)

STRAY dogs are being skewered on hooks and dragged behind boats as live shark bait, The Sun can shockingly reveal.

The cruel practice takes place on French-controlled Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean, where Prince William spent two holidays.

A six-month-old labrador pup was recently found ALIVE with a huge double hook through its snout - like the dog above - and another through a leg.

The pup was found in a coastal creek and is thought to have somehow freed itself from a fishing line.

But other dogs and kittens have been chomped up and swallowed by sharks.

The RSPCA plans to petition the French government, demanding an end to the hideous torture.


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dubbz
Oct 3, 2005, 03:07 PM
SICK! :mad:


I can't believe why anyone whould want to do such things... :(

MacDawg
Oct 3, 2005, 03:10 PM
Interesting how we find some animals offensive as "live bait", but not others... I guess the same is true about food (cows v. cats, etc.).

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stonyc
Oct 3, 2005, 03:11 PM
Jeez. :mad:

dubbz
Oct 3, 2005, 03:14 PM
Interesting how we find some animals offensive as "live bait", but not others... I guess the same is true about food (cows v. cats, etc.).

Woof, Woof – Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

I find most (if not all) animals to be offensive as "live bait" (but I'm also a meat-eater, go figure..)

As for cows vs cats, when it comes to food. It's probably because they're kept as pets in the west. It'd be almost like eating your friend.

MacDawg
Oct 3, 2005, 03:17 PM
I find most (if not all) animals to be offensive as "live bait"

I'm thinking of shrimp, or smaller fish, worms, lizards, crickets, etc.

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clayj
Oct 3, 2005, 03:20 PM
I think the principle of what constitutes "acceptable" bait boils down to "what does the animal you're trying to catch NORMALLY eat?" Fish DO eat worms, crickets, bugs, etc., so it's more OK to use worms, crickets, bugs, etc. as bait.

Sharks do not, as a rule, eat dogs or cats. Ergo, they should not be used as bait. (Besides, dogs and cats are much higher forms of life than worms, crickets, bugs, and fish. The idea of using a live dog or cat as bait disgusts me.)

Mr. Anderson
Oct 3, 2005, 03:20 PM
That's just not right....and very cruel.

And its really that difficult to catch sharks that you have to use dogs and cats as bait?

D :confused:

bousozoku
Oct 3, 2005, 03:22 PM
Why not use annoying humans instead? Perhaps, the prison population. :mad:

Lord Blackadder
Oct 3, 2005, 03:26 PM
Interesting how we find some animals offensive as "live bait", but not others... I guess the same is true about food (cows v. cats, etc.).

Woof, Woof – Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

I know a few super-duper animal lovers who will viciously attack any insect they find in their houses.

You need bait, strays are plentiful....the math, if not the morals, work out splendidly.

Usual silly PC disclaimer for the humor-challenged: cynical/outrageous comments posted by Lord Blackadder do not necessarily represent the opinions and or/beliefs of Lord Blackadder, Baldrick, or the rat Baldrick had for lunch. I'm not sure about the rat, I suppose.

Jaffa Cake
Oct 3, 2005, 03:26 PM
Don't worry everyone – the RSPCA have an online petition! (http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RSPCA/RSPCARedirect&pg=sharkbait) That'll stop them... :rolleyes:

raggedjimmi
Oct 3, 2005, 03:36 PM
thats wrong. a full grown dog?! that was probably somebodies pet! either the owner is heartbroken that their dog has been lost or the animal has been rescued from abusive owners only to face this!

whats wrong with the more conventional methods (ie. that slurry stuff)

also what has The cruel practice takes place on French-controlled Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean, where Prince William spent two holidays. that got to do with anything at bleedin all? i bloody hate The Sun - or whoever wrote that. oh wait, it must be Prince Williams fault :rolleyes: asswipes.

paulypants
Oct 3, 2005, 03:36 PM
Why not use annoying humans instead? Perhaps, the prison population. :mad:

Now THERE's a novel idea! I second that.

edesignuk
Oct 3, 2005, 03:47 PM
I saw this in the Sun last week I think.

Utterly. Sickening. http://upload.yo-momma.net/uploads/smilies/insane.gif

It's for the people that would do this kind of thing that I'd happy endorse the same being done to them. http://upload.yo-momma.net/uploads/smilies/shout.gif

Jaffa Cake
Oct 3, 2005, 03:47 PM
...also what has that got to do with anything at bleedin all? i bloody hate The Sun - or whoever wrote that.Animal cruelty on a French-controlled island? They must have thought Christmas had come early at Wapping...

tech4all
Oct 3, 2005, 03:59 PM
Just wrong. :mad: :(



That's all I have to say.

joepunk
Oct 3, 2005, 04:05 PM
As reiterating what others have said, That is an utterly sickening thing to do. Just fracking wrong.

iGav
Oct 3, 2005, 04:05 PM
That makes me feel sick. I honestly can't believe I share a planet with ********* like this. :mad:

Same goes for those red neck law enforcers in Louisana who've been on a dog killing spree. :mad:

Give me a GLOCK and I'd slot the bastards.

Pieces of sh*t, ALL of them.

Sedulous
Oct 3, 2005, 04:11 PM
In response to questions about what is appropriate for what kind of animal: I am rather certain there is some kind of relation between cuteness, awareness, and social capacity of the species.

Don't panic
Oct 3, 2005, 04:11 PM
Now THERE's a novel idea! I second that.

the sad part is you probably do :rolleyes:

zelmo
Oct 3, 2005, 04:15 PM
I feel like hitting someone. Hard...and often. :mad:

Did I say hard? :mad:

Lyle
Oct 3, 2005, 04:52 PM
I don't mean to disparage the Sun's journalistic integrity in any way, but this sounds very much like an urban legend to me. Snopes.com does have an entry (http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/sharkbait.asp) on this, but so far they categorize its veracity as "undetermined".

MacDawg
Oct 3, 2005, 04:54 PM
I don't mean to disparage the Sun's journalistic integrity in any way, but this sounds very much like an urban legend to me. Snopes.com does have an entry (http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/sharkbait.asp) on this, but so far they categorize its veracity as "undetermined".

I hope it is just urban legend... but since it wasn't just a circulating email, I posted it.

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Lyle
Oct 3, 2005, 05:01 PM
I hope it is just urban legend... but since it wasn't just a circulating email, I posted it.I understand, and like everyone else, I would be outraged if this is really going on. However, to get a little perspective, surf over to the Sun's home page (http://www.thesun.co.uk/) and just contemplate their other news offerings. ;)

zap2
Oct 3, 2005, 05:45 PM
THAT WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS

use animals that are alive to catch and then kill more animals, some times people make me sick :mad:

pdpfilms
Oct 3, 2005, 05:46 PM
I don't know if i believe this story...

Heb1228
Oct 3, 2005, 05:57 PM
I really hope the attention brought by these news stories brings these practices to an end. :(

Unfortunately I don't have much hope of that happening considering how much coverage that place has gotten than beats the baby seals to death with clubs and they haven't stopped.

I'm no environmentalist, but that is obviously animal cruelty and should be stopped.

technocoy
Oct 3, 2005, 05:59 PM
if he had been thrown overboard with that hook in it's lip the weight of the dog would have ripped the lip severely.

same goes for the concept... the weight of the animal being dragged behind the boat with the hook only in that far would rip it off...

FAKE.

Merf
Oct 3, 2005, 06:09 PM
Pretty ****ed uped

Merf

Heb1228
Oct 3, 2005, 06:11 PM
if he had been thrown overboard with that hook in it's lip the weight of the dog would have ripped the lip severely.

same goes for the concept... the weight of the animal being dragged behind the boat with the hook only in that far would rip it off...

FAKE.
Yeah, the more I think about it, I was about to come back and post the exact same thing. There no way that picture is real.

katie ta achoo
Oct 3, 2005, 06:30 PM
Yeah, the more I think about it, I was about to come back and post the exact same thing. There no way that picture is real.

And whoever made that up is sick.
Completely disgusting.

Even joking about it is just wrong and disgusting! Ew...

MacDawg
Oct 3, 2005, 07:28 PM
How about it you guys from the UK?
Is the Sun story a headline grabbing fake?
Are their stories fakes, or just bizarre?

I'm certainly not defending the accuracy of the story, or condoning the practice...

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Lacero
Oct 3, 2005, 07:32 PM
Take a cute puppy, add in a cruel method for hooking live bait and you got one hell of a fake story.

barneygumble
Oct 3, 2005, 07:54 PM
Just look at where the hooks come out, no blood at all FAKE

ThomasJefferson
Oct 3, 2005, 09:16 PM
Could be fake. I would expect a great deal of damage to the mouth if dragged behind a boat, unless the line broke immediately. Could someone have done this on purpose just to bring attention to the practice? How evil.

Now, if it was a cat, it would be different. :) Cats walk on my car. All cats are shark bait to me. :mad:

Abstract
Oct 3, 2005, 09:39 PM
I want to use a Sun writer as bait. :mad:

And when you think about it, The Sun has been using Page 3 girls as bait to get people to buy their paper. I know it's not the same thing, but I'm in a weird mood today. :o

G5Unit
Oct 3, 2005, 09:41 PM
****! That is SICK! Blah! I want to kill anyone who does that.

wdlove
Oct 3, 2005, 09:45 PM
That is just beyond heinous. How would that man in the picture like to be shark bate. Who wants to volunteer to put a hook in his mouth. A dog is man's best friend for a reason. It is man that seems to have built in cruelty. :eek: :o :( :mad:

nbs2
Oct 3, 2005, 09:45 PM
I think the principle of what constitutes "acceptable" bait boils down to "what does the animal you're trying to catch NORMALLY eat?" Fish DO eat worms, crickets, bugs, etc., so it's more OK to use worms, crickets, bugs, etc. as bait.

Sharks do not, as a rule, eat dogs or cats. Ergo, they should not be used as bait. (Besides, dogs and cats are much higher forms of life than worms, crickets, bugs, and fish. The idea of using a live dog or cat as bait disgusts me.)
I would guess that carniverous sharks will eat pretty much anything that bleeds (which is why I don't trust the picture). Beyond that, I think if people were catching killer whales with baby seals there would be as much anger. I really think that the people who are upset about this may be better off working to get strays spayed/neutered and if that doesn't work, destroyed. When there is such an overabundance dogs and cats, I am not surprised. I don't know if we have ay Chilean members here, but I think that may be a more humane ending than what many of the strays there end up with. Not saying that this is a good thing, not saying it is a bad thing, just trying to think outside the pet box.

mcarnes
Oct 3, 2005, 10:35 PM
Agree that doing this to dogs is just plain wrong. But doing it to cats would be alright, especially the ones that keep pooping in my yard. :p

By the way, that pic is photoshopped.

bousozoku
Oct 3, 2005, 10:55 PM
the sad part is you probably do :rolleyes:

Don't be angry at him. It was my idea. I forgot to mention goverment officials.

GFLPraxis
Oct 4, 2005, 03:10 AM
A brief glance at that picture screams Photoshop, with the way the hook goes in cleanly, but I am too disgusted to zoom in on the picture and check. :mad:

Mechcozmo
Oct 4, 2005, 04:46 AM
Why not use annoying humans instead? Perhaps, the prison population. :mad:

Perhaps the people caught using this 'tactic' would be a better first choice? I'm sure they would make fine bait. :(

jiggie2g
Oct 4, 2005, 04:59 AM
Death by Vivi-section for these C**k Suckers followed by using thier remains as Shark Bait. May thier intestines be used as guitar string to play thier Death song. I find one of these bastards I will get Demonic on his ass and come up with some horrific form of torture worthy of the Spanish Inquisition.


Sorry, but I am a big animal lover and scum like this derserve worse.

todge
Oct 4, 2005, 07:23 AM
Sharks have a fantastic sense of smell, some can smell blood from up to a mile away. Most species are also infamous for not being choosy about what they eat - the dustbins of the ocean. This story has gotta be bull. Maybe i could believe carcasses of stray dogs being thrown overboard, but not live dogs and cats.

mad jew
Oct 4, 2005, 07:29 AM
Sharks have a fantastic sense of smell, some can smell blood from up to a mile away.


It's not so much the smell of blood that attracts a shark. It's the sound-waves sent out by a person's pulse that attracts them the most. A shark can hear your heart beat from a mile off, not smell your blood. :o

Oh, and this story is as likely real as my third leg picking itself up one day and announcing to the world it will be applying for Hungarian citizenship. For those of you not acquainted with my third leg, this is improbable at best.

Kid Red
Oct 4, 2005, 09:49 AM
If you guys think that's bad, what about them putting kittens into glass jars like bonsai plants!?!?

http://www.bonsaikitten.com/

todge
Oct 4, 2005, 10:10 AM
If you guys think that's bad, what about them putting kittens into glass jars like bonsai plants!?!?

http://www.bonsaikitten.com/

lol, i don't see how people actually fall for that one.

obeygiant
Oct 4, 2005, 10:29 AM
i dont believe it.

javiercr
Oct 4, 2005, 11:20 AM
Fake

come on, is from the Sun!

Sdashiki
Oct 4, 2005, 11:27 AM
the Sun, isnt that a TABLOID?

That has to be a fake picture, its like the "Bonsai Kitten" thing from a while back. Its just a pic of a dog with a fishing hook stuck in his jowls. An accident Im sure that isnt that uncommon.

Cmon, where is the common sense here people.

You wouldnt be reading this from the Sun and Macrumors.com, youd hear about it on a commercial from PETA.

FAKE!

Sdashiki
Oct 4, 2005, 11:29 AM
WTF, double posted instead of editing my prior. WOOPS.

iGary
Oct 4, 2005, 11:31 AM
It's fake.

If you WERE going to use the dog as bait, you would have to hook it through the jaw; the uppper lips are far too delicate and would rip out easily.

Second, you'd have to kill it first because it would keep swimming toward the boat.

And here we are talking about the Sun and they get attention...

FAKE.

EGT
Oct 4, 2005, 01:46 PM
Unfortunately, i've seen worse :mad:

pdpfilms
Oct 4, 2005, 01:54 PM
Unfortunately, i've seen worse :mad:

...? Like what... babies as bait?

EGT
Oct 4, 2005, 02:33 PM
Worse happening to our four legged friends I meant. A friend of mine started looking after a stray cat (which is now 7 years old) after she saw a group of kids tie a firework to its tail and throw it in a skip full of rubbish, then run off laughing. Makes my blood boil!! :mad:

A lot of stuff like this goes on coming up to "firework season". The things people do to animals is sickening and i'd be quite happy to let the punishment fit the crime.

raggedjimmi
Oct 4, 2005, 03:48 PM
ok now we've all decided that this is a fake... or whatever...

just in time for Nintendogs UK release :D

i thought it might have been fake. theres no way that hook could have stayed there without ripping. besides; whats wrong with a harness? why don't they just use that?

hm.

Jon'sLightBulbs
Oct 4, 2005, 04:54 PM
You will now be known as shark bait. SHARK BAIT OOH AH AH!

RedTomato
Oct 4, 2005, 06:07 PM
The cruel practice takes place on French-controlled Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean, where Prince William spent two holidays.

Why not use Prince William then?

Look at the advantages:


He's already there (or will be again soon)
One less annoying Royal parasite
Saves money for the taxpayers of the UK
Undoubtly attractive to sharks - look at all the ones circling around him already
Blood is blue so will be an attractive match with the blue seawater
Could become a tourist event (I for one might be tempted to pay to see it)
More fantastic publicity for the Royal Family
Increases the value of the remaining Royal scion.


I'm sure you will all agree with me.

xoxo RedTomato

tech4all
Oct 4, 2005, 06:17 PM
i thought it might have been fake. theres no way that hook could have stayed there without ripping. besides; whats wrong with a harness? why don't they just use that?

I'm not an expert on shark fishing but wouldn't the hooks be needed to hook the shark? Or is there another method for "hooking" sharks?