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Jan 17, 2013, 06:10 PM
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http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/01/NewImage7.pngBlack Pixel today released (http://www.kaleidoscopeapp.com) its first major in-house app, Kaleidoscope 2. The app that helps coders, writers and others to compare the differences in folders, images, text, and more. The app was released as a beta (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/20/kaleidoscope-2-lets-users-quickly-spot-differences-in-code-text-and-images/) back in November.

At the time, The Next Web spoke with (http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/11/19/black-pixel-kaleidoscope/) former Apple employee Michael Jurewitz and the rest of the Black Pixel team about Kaleidoscope 2:
Kaleidoscope 2 is a lovely comparison app that allows you to take two or more files, folders or images and compare them to one another. The applications are broad, with benefits that swing from developers on one end to those simply looking to compare two images side-by-side. It has full integration with Git, Subversion, Mercurial, and Bazaar. The app can be used as the default conflict resolver for code with its command line integration or simply to check the changed passages in a collaborative word document. It's beautifully designed, fast and wonderful to use. It's become an essential part of my toolkit already.http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/01/kaleidoscope.jpg
Black Pixel acquired Kaleidoscope and Versions (http://thenextweb.com/apps/2011/10/19/black-pixel-buys-versions-and-kaleidoscope-after-sofa-acquired-by-facebook/) last year, as well as the popular RSS reader NetNewsWire (http://blackpixel.com/blog/2011/06/black-pixel-acquires-netnewswire.html). Version 2 of Kaleidoscope is the first major bit of software that Black Pixel has put its own name on -- previously, the company focused on developing apps for outside clients.

Kaleidoscope 2 is currently available on the Mac App Store (http://appshopper.com/mac/developer-tools/kaleidoscope-2) [Direct Link (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kaleidoscope/id587512244?mt=12)], directly from Black Pixel (http://www.kaleidoscopeapp.com/buy) or as a 15-day trial (http://www.kaleidoscopeapp.com). It's available for $35 through January 30th, after which it will be $70.

Article Link: Black Pixel's Comparison App 'Kaleidoscope 2' Goes Live on Mac App Store (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/17/black-pixels-comparison-app-kaleidoscope-2-goes-live-on-mac-app-store/)



ArtOfWarfare
Jan 17, 2013, 06:29 PM
$70 to be able to cheat at find the difference puzzles seems a bit steep, doesn't it?

In all seriousness though, there are online tools that do this same thing for free... how can this be so much better than free to justify such a price?

lordmorgul
Jan 17, 2013, 06:55 PM
how can this be so much better than free to justify such a price?

I agree... it is graphical diff... and all the code repository applications have diff built right in. It seems a little bit unnecessary, but if command line tools are not your thing sure it could be nice... but even the $35 intro price seems pretty high.

bearda
Jan 17, 2013, 06:55 PM
$70 is a bit much, but as a developer $35 for a good diff tool isn't too bad. I've used Beyond Compare for a while and found it worth it's price several times over when doing code reviews.

Kaibelf
Jan 17, 2013, 06:57 PM
$70 to be able to cheat at find the difference puzzles seems a bit steep, doesn't it?

In all seriousness though, there are online tools that do this same thing for free... how can this be so much better than free to justify such a price?
Puzzles? Try articles, code, legal briefs, contracts, financials......

lhawkins
Jan 17, 2013, 06:58 PM
Isn't this pretty much the same as the free FileMerge application included with Apple's Developer Tools located in /Applications/Xcode/Contents/Applications/FileMerge ?

Nebulance
Jan 17, 2013, 07:04 PM
$70 is unreasonable since this is a unix command in the terminal. You can use the 'diff' command, and there's also 'vimdiff' for those vim users out there (my personal preference).

I guess it'll be helpful for non-programmers, but I just don't see the reason for the high price tag.

iwbyte
Jan 17, 2013, 07:16 PM
How is this different from Bbedit ($40), or even the free TextWrangler?

HiRez
Jan 17, 2013, 07:46 PM
Isn't this pretty much the same as the free FileMerge application included with Apple's Developer Tools located in /Applications/Xcode/Contents/Applications/FileMerge ?

Yeah, I'd like to see how it's different (and presumably better?). Looks almost identical from what I can see. And actually I find FileMerge inside Xcode works pretty well.

shurcooL
Jan 17, 2013, 07:51 PM
After trying this, my favourite visual diff app remains to be DiffMerge, which is available for OS X, Windows and Linux.

http://i.imgur.com/UaVWm.png

Now, as nice as DiffMerge is, unfortunately it is very poorly maintained and updated. It's just missing a few easy-to-implement (IMO) features that'd make it so much better, and its developers don't seem to care much about it. It's really too bad, because it is lightyears ahead in some of the core functionality. :(

mrgraff
Jan 17, 2013, 08:15 PM
... but I just don't see the reason for the high price tag.

Hiut Jeans aren't cheap...

kwikdeth
Jan 17, 2013, 08:27 PM
this app supposedly is able to compare folders and display the differences in their contets. i dont need all those extra features. does anyone know of an app i can use to compare two different folders and show me differences (and if possible a reconcile function for making them identical?)
thanks

mdlux
Jan 17, 2013, 09:03 PM
DropSync

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this app supposedly is able to compare folders and display the differences in their contets. i dont need all those extra features. does anyone know of an app i can use to compare two different folders and show me differences (and if possible a reconcile function for making them identical?)
thanks

DropSync works for me (Mac App Store)

a0me
Jan 17, 2013, 09:38 PM
After trying this, my favourite visual diff app remains to be DiffMerge, which is available for OS X, Windows and Linux.

Image (http://i.imgur.com/UaVWm.png)

Now, as nice as DiffMerge is, unfortunately it is very poorly maintained and updated. It's just missing a few easy-to-implement (IMO) features that'd make it so much better, and its developers don't seem to care much about it. It's really too bad, because it is lightyears ahead in some of the core functionality. :(
I think everyone failed to notice one of Kaleidoscope's highlighted features (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kaleidoscope/id587512244?mt=12):
POWERFUL IMAGE COMPARISON
✧ Compare images side by side, stacked, or split
✧ Spot subtle pixel differences with a high contrast “difference mask”

http://a1950.phobos.apple.com/us/r1000/069/Purple/v4/44/d4/b9/44d4b9a2-77ec-482c-d562-62196435e570/mzl.zudlnvpo.800x500-75.jpg
As far as I know, the alternative apps mentioned in this thread (FileMerge, Bbedit, DiffMerge, etc.) can't do image comparison.

Sure, there's a couple of cheaper solutions for that (apps like PixCompare or dupeGuru PE) but it's possible that Kaleidoscope performs better.

wetrix
Jan 17, 2013, 10:47 PM
Why does macrumors give this app the time of day? Is there really that much of an appeal to the readership?

ThunderSkunk
Jan 17, 2013, 11:58 PM
Why does macrumors give this app the time of day? Is there really that much of an appeal to the readership?

Well there wasn't, until the post before yours.

Makes this horrendously useful.

mdriftmeyer
Jan 18, 2013, 02:50 AM
After trying this, my favourite visual diff app remains to be DiffMerge, which is available for OS X, Windows and Linux.

Image (http://i.imgur.com/UaVWm.png)

Now, as nice as DiffMerge is, unfortunately it is very poorly maintained and updated. It's just missing a few easy-to-implement (IMO) features that'd make it so much better, and its developers don't seem to care much about it. It's really too bad, because it is lightyears ahead in some of the core functionality. :(

Talk about myopia. Kaleidoscope is a lot more than a Diff app.

Dagless
Jan 18, 2013, 05:38 AM
This article brought to you by Black Pixel.

ob81
Jan 18, 2013, 06:13 AM
Overpriced considering it does nothing that people who truly need to compare things are already doing for much cheaper.

Stella
Jan 18, 2013, 07:20 AM
For developers,Beyond Compare is being released for the Mac - when v4 comes out for windows and Linux. With any luck, sooner rather than later.

GenesisST
Jan 18, 2013, 07:58 AM
I Love Kaleidoscope 1 for a few things:
- All the changes in the same window, so I can go back and forth for code reviewing
- Image comparison

That said, 35$ is too steep for an upgrade, let alone 70$

There might be other tools for that, but haven't been looking... until now...

Stella
Jan 18, 2013, 08:06 AM
I Love Kaleidoscope 1 for a few things:
- All the changes in the same window, so I can go back and forth for code reviewing
- Image comparison

That said, 35$ is too steep for an upgrade, let alone 70$

There might be other tools for that, but haven't been looking... until now...

It's 50% off until end of January. The price is in line with other paid for diff tools that offer the same range of functionality.

Yujenisis
Jan 18, 2013, 08:16 AM
This app is pretty cool, and I love the concept of a "swiss army knife" of file comparison.

But $70 is a bit steep, at least for my purposes. Then again, I don't code, but I'd use it for reviewing document revisions and photos. For that purpose, $35 seems pricey.

GenesisST
Jan 18, 2013, 09:34 AM
It's 50% off until end of January. The price is in line with other paid for diff tools that offer the same range of functionality.

The problem is that I paid for version 1. And even at 35$, it is steep for an upgrade, IMHO.

That said, if you buy from their store (and not MAS), there is an entry for "update coupon". So I sent them an email and we will see I guess.

Cheers!

shurcooL
Jan 18, 2013, 09:42 AM
Talk about myopia. Kaleidoscope is a lot more than a Diff app.
For my work, I need an excellent text diff app. I don't compare pictures in my work, but I do compare a lot of code.

If your needs are different, then your preference of app will likely be different too.

dodowolf
Jan 18, 2013, 09:44 AM
For developers,Beyond Compare is being released for the Mac - when v4 comes out for windows and Linux. With any luck, sooner rather than later.

I am keeping my finger crossed for this one. I paid for Beyond Compare 2, 3 and Kaleidoscope 2. And I find K2 for programmer is particular lacking in terms of folder and program files comparison, and I keep going back to Beyond Compare in WineBottle :o

whooleytoo
Jan 18, 2013, 10:02 AM
I bought K1, it's a nice, polished app. It was lacking any folder comparison (which the free FileMerge always had, and K2 seems to have added).

Don't really feel like paying to buy K2. It seems nice, but is it nice enough that every significant upgrade (other than bug fixes) costs 20-40, when free alternatives are available? Don't think so.

Keerock
Jan 18, 2013, 11:46 AM
Why does macrumors give this app the time of day? Is there really that much of an appeal to the readership?

I don't know their publishing model first hand but it is either a paid placement or ad space was purchased and they ran the article. Very standard.

Although perhaps they really felt it was relevant or a staff writer likes it :-)

iSee
Jan 18, 2013, 08:10 PM
For developers,Beyond Compare is being released for the Mac - when v4 comes out for windows and Linux. With any luck, sooner rather than later.

Now, that I would pay $70 for!

Beyond Compare is, by far, the best diff tool I've found (talking software development -- not sure on other uses). It has so many nice little features, and lots of integrations. My stomach turns a little when I have to use something else. It would be great to have it native on the Mac.

headfuzz
Jan 19, 2013, 04:29 AM
So, this is basically diff foo bar with a shiny Cocoa GUI slapped on top?

$70?

Srsly?

EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread and seen the image comparison feature. Nice, but still not worth shelling out $70 for imho, given that the rest of the app seems to fall squarely into my comment before it was edited.

blomma
Jan 20, 2013, 12:58 PM
Have you actually tried it? they have a demo version you can try out.

So, this is basically diff foo bar with a shiny Cocoa GUI slapped on top?

$70?

Srsly?

EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread and seen the image comparison feature. Nice, but still not worth shelling out $70 for imho, given that the rest of the app seems to fall squarely into my comment before it was edited.

tex77
Jan 20, 2013, 01:19 PM
Now, as nice as DiffMerge is ... It's just missing a few easy-to-implement (IMO) features that'd make it so much better,

it is lightyears ahead in some of the core functionality.

Can you please be specific about both of these statements about DiffMerge? How is each app better?

whooleytoo
Jan 21, 2013, 09:24 AM
Just trying Beyond Compare now for comparison (Windows eval version, I'll buy when the Mac version is available) and it looks nice.

It seems to lack a feature like Kaleidoscipe has (see the screenshot above) where it highlights the differences in each line in the main view. With BC you need to click on the line to see where in the line the diff is. This makes Kaleidoscope much quicker at looking through changes.

Conversely, Kaleidoscope v1 doesn't have a "ignore unimportant changes" feature; which means you have to sift through lots of false positives when comparing two files. I don't know if that's been added in the more recent version.

hayesk
Jan 21, 2013, 12:51 PM
This app is fantastic. If you can use the improvements that this provides over the standard diff app, it'll pay for itself in a couple of weeks. $70 is nothing.

If you tried it and still can't see the value over the standard diff app, then it's probably not for you. I don't mean that to sound elitist, just that some people have needs diffing needs that the standard diff app can't handle or doesn't handle well. $70 is not outrageous at all.

prowlmedia
Jan 22, 2013, 07:59 AM
Lovely... now are you going to promote the other 1,000's of apps on the store?

shurcooL
Jan 22, 2013, 10:16 AM
Can you please be specific about both of these statements about DiffMerge? How is each app better?
The best way to find out is just to try both of them yourself, and use them for your needs, and see how the two compare. DiffMerge is free, and you can use a trial of Kaleidoscope.

Now, the one missing feature of DiffMerge that I would find extremely helpful would be the ability to edit text on both sides of the panel, similar to how WinDiff allows you to. DiffMerge only lets you edit on the right hand side. See here (http://support.sourcegear.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=13228&p=72298#p72298) for info. So if you want to make a small change to the file on the left, you have to reload the diff and swap the two files - extremely annoying.

Other than that, I really like everything it does, especially the way it highlights the differences and lets you edit the right hand file. It makes merging different versions (with custom changes, not just keep left/keep right) very easy.