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MacBytes
Oct 4, 2005, 11:59 AM
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devilot
Oct 4, 2005, 12:05 PM
Wow that's pretty intense.

But it really is a bit lame-- punishing the individual who actually bothered to go out and purchase the CD. "The bad thing is that you are almost promoting what you are trying to protect against," Brown says. "You are upsetting the fan that went out and purchased the record."

paulypants
Oct 4, 2005, 12:11 PM
Wow that's pretty intense.

But it really is a bit lame-- punishing the individual who actually bothered to go out and purchase the CD.

Another reason why I don't buy CD's anymore...

Keynoteuser
Oct 4, 2005, 12:13 PM
I bought the Switchfoot CD off iTunes, so I had no idea they had recalled a bunch of the cds. If I need a playable copy I'll just burn it. :)

devilot
Oct 4, 2005, 12:15 PM
Another reason why I don't buy CD's anymore...Eh, not all CD labels are using these methods. Besides, I am a bit old-fashioned and I like having the original disc along w/ it's decorative design and the art work.

Sharewaredemon
Oct 4, 2005, 12:31 PM
Eh, not all CD labels are using these methods. Besides, I am a bit old-fashioned and I like having the original disc along w/ it's decorative design and the art work.

Though I appreciate the original disk and packaging, I don't like spending twice the price (getting the cd from a record store) just to have that.

ibook30
Oct 4, 2005, 12:44 PM
I say good for the artists who stand up for what I believe in !

mkubal
Oct 4, 2005, 12:45 PM
If I ever buy a CD (which would be a first in a long time) that I can't copy and play how I want, I will certainly not feel bad about grabbing it off of P2P.

devilot
Oct 4, 2005, 12:51 PM
Though I appreciate the original disk and packaging, I don't like spending twice the price (getting the cd from a record store) just to have that.Spending twice the price! :eek: I guess I hunt around for the CDs I want and I'm lucky in that most of them can be found relatively cheaply... i.e. on half.com I can get some CDs for less than the shipping! So for a grand total of under $5. :p

nagromme
Oct 4, 2005, 12:56 PM
Two words:

Boyco and Tt.

wordmunger
Oct 4, 2005, 01:00 PM
Eh, not all CD labels are using these methods. Besides, I am a bit old-fashioned and I like having the original disc along w/ it's decorative design and the art work.

Ugh. I hate having all those CDs wasting shelf space in my living room. I do wish Apple would make it easier to transfer music files from computer to computer, though.

Bob Knob
Oct 4, 2005, 01:10 PM
I like how it's Apple's fault because they won't license FairPlay for the CDs.

Note to major record labels - Hurry up and die, your constant moaning and whining is really annoying.

Sharewaredemon
Oct 4, 2005, 01:18 PM
Spending twice the price! :eek: I guess I hunt around for the CDs I want and I'm lucky in that most of them can be found relatively cheaply... i.e. on half.com I can get some CDs for less than the shipping! So for a grand total of under $5. :p


Well I really am loath to buying used cds as it's the exact same thing as piracy, in that the artist gets no money from a used cd sale. So I always buy new. I also don't really like buying physical cds on the internet, I'd rather be able to walk into a store and buy it, or as I have been doing for over a year now, buying off iTunes.

Also something to note, I've bought more cds in the last year than any other year.

devilot
Oct 4, 2005, 01:23 PM
Well I really am loath to buying used cds as it's the exact same thing as piracy, in that the artist gets no money from a used cd sale. So I always buy new.That's a good point you make... that's also why I do buy new in specific cases; for the artists I really like and want to support. ;)

xtbfx
Oct 4, 2005, 01:27 PM
Well the good thing about all that copy protection crap is it doesn't work on Macs. Meaning, just put the CD in and rip away. No big deal.

Yet another reason to own a Mac.

tangerineyum
Oct 4, 2005, 01:32 PM
That's a good point you make... that's also why I do buy new in specific cases; for the artists I really like and want to support. ;)

Wow really off topic, but im loving your avatar devilot76. My new machead gf got a set of original think different posters last year for x mas. I've been looking for the book ever since.

I have never bought a Cd in my life im 21 and about 900 of my 1500 songs were bought from itunes music store, i have one visa dedicated only to music.

Sharewaredemon
Oct 4, 2005, 01:36 PM
I have never bought a Cd in my life im 21 and about 900 of my 1500 songs were bought from itunes music store, i have one visa dedicated only to music.


Jesus!

tangerineyum
Oct 4, 2005, 02:00 PM
Jesus!


yes its a bit interesting to look at your bill mid month and realize that about 80 of those songs are mine, but not paid for yet

iSaint
Oct 4, 2005, 02:16 PM
I can't imagine how much money I've spent over the years on albums and CDs. I'm sure it's nothing like many collectors, but I know the record companies have made plenty of profit on me. Even in the days of vinyl, I bought the album along with a high quality Maxell or TDK blank cassette, so I could record the album and listen to it in my car. Pre-recorded cassettes suck as far as sound quality goes.

Now I 'find' much of my music online.

When record companies get in touch with the reality of the digital world and release music in an accessible and inexpensive way, everyone will be much happier.

BTW, how much of the music that I've bought since I was 12 is still playable? I'd have to say less than 10% (I still have a few CDs).

sjk
Oct 4, 2005, 02:20 PM
The reasons I buy CDs are for higher quality (when 128Kbps AAC is significantly inferior), if iTMS doesn't offer what I'm interested in (pretty common), or when I notice an irresistibly good deal (e.g. the 3-disk set I bought for $12 last month).

nbs2
Oct 4, 2005, 04:44 PM
That's a good point you make... that's also why I do buy new in specific cases; for the artists I really like and want to support. ;)
But, when you are buying used (if the seller hasn't made a copy that they keep), there is no reason for the artist to get paid. The seller bought the license to listen to the music for personal use. He is simply transferring that right for what the market will bear. If the CD is cheaper new, people will not buy it used. If it is no longer available, people will pay a premium. Its the same for any consumer product - if you sell your used car, the maker doesn't see another dime. If your sell your Dali, Dali doesn't see another dime. If I sell my copy of Billy Madison, Adam Sandler doesn't see another dime. Point is, I don't understand how buying a used product is the same as piracy.

But, maybe I misunderstand you and Sharewaredemon. Maybe you are saying that you just want to put more money in the musicians pocket (thus motivating them to do more work). That I understand.

Oh yeah. Regarding the story. I really do believe that this is the reason iTunes doesn't sell even better. When this happens, I expect people to steal rather than buy, even if it is electronically. EMI hates young people. There I said it. much better.

Some_Big_Spoon
Oct 4, 2005, 08:17 PM
They sue children and dead grandmothers, they don't care about you, me, or anyone else, and if they could, they'd hold guns to all our heads and make us clean out our pockets.

Google the suits I refer to before you flame.

Wow that's pretty intense.

But it really is a bit lame-- punishing the individual who actually bothered to go out and purchase the CD.

devilot
Oct 4, 2005, 08:21 PM
But, maybe I misunderstand you and Sharewaredemon. Maybe you are saying that you just want to put more money in the musicians pocket (thus motivating them to do more work). That I understand.That's what we're saying-- we pay for new CDs to support the artists we like.

Some_Big_Spoon
Oct 4, 2005, 08:22 PM
WTF? Buying a used car is also grand theft auto.

Well I really am loath to buying used cds as it's the exact same thing as piracy, in that the artist gets no money from a used cd sale. So I always buy new.

gerlitzappel
Oct 4, 2005, 08:29 PM
I ripped the new DMB album using iTunes on a friends PC, I didn't have any problems except that the album itself sucks.

solvs
Oct 5, 2005, 01:21 PM
I ripped the new DMB album using iTunes on a friends PC, I didn't have any problems except that the album itself sucks.
That made me giggle.

shamino
Oct 6, 2005, 04:37 PM
Though I appreciate the original disk and packaging, I don't like spending twice the price (getting the cd from a record store) just to have that.
Mail order, my good man. Mail order.

I buy almost all of my CDs from the BMG Music Service (http://www.bmgmusic.com/). Although their prices are MSRP ($17-18 per disc), they run specials every month (like "buy one, get two free" and "buy one, get unlimited for $2"). I usually buy 6-10 discs at a time using these offers and end up paying an average of about $7 per disc (including shipping and handling).

There are other mail-order sources and web sources that will also be able to sell you CDs for a lot less than MSRP.

shamino
Oct 6, 2005, 04:46 PM
Well I really am loath to buying used cds as it's the exact same thing as piracy, in that the artist gets no money from a used cd sale.
The copyright law and common sense would disagree with you.

You may have a personal ethical problem with used discs, but it's not piracy. Not even close.

Tell me, do you believe buying used cars is stealing from auto manufacturers?
Do you believe buying a used home is stealing from builders?
Do you believe cooking your own food is stealing from restaurants?
Do you believe taking rural routes when traveling is stealing from those who profit from the toll booths on the major highways?
Do you believe mass transit is stealing from gas station owners and parking garage owners?

Do you always choose the most expensive way of doing things, in order to make sure others get paid, or is there something special about musicians?

Kobushi
Oct 6, 2005, 05:07 PM
For those of you discussing the music artist philanthropy of choosing to buy new over old:

I read somewhere that the actual amount the artist gets paid after the sale of a disc is minimal. (Acutally ends up being <1$ per cd after reductions for those sold overseas or through discount clubs like BMG) The article went on to say that most of their income is from when the artists perform at concerts.

Seems like if you want to support the artist and downplay the labels, you should buy used and then go to the concerts.

Just food for thought :cool:

devilot
Oct 6, 2005, 06:07 PM
For those of you discussing the music artist philanthropy of choosing to buy new over old:

I read somewhere that the actual amount the artist gets paid after the sale of a disc is minimal. (Acutally ends up being <1$ per cd after reductions for those sold overseas or through discount clubs like BMG) The article went on to say that most of their income is from when the artists perform at concerts.

Seems like if you want to support the artist and downplay the labels, you should buy used and then go to the concerts.

Just food for thought :cool:Yes, I am aware of this... That's why I go to concerts and buy their very overpriced merchandise there (t's, posters, stickers, etc.) and while the artist itself might not make much more from the sale of one CD, it will boost their spots on Billboard charts and whatnot-- garner more publicity/attention which will in turn serve to help generate more interest/money. And besides, <$1 is still better than $0.00.