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MacRumors
Jan 28, 2013, 04:49 PM
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Twitter's six-second video sharing app Vine (http://appshopper.com/social-networking/vine-make-a-scene) made headlines early this morning (http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/28/3924148/hardcore-porn-climbs-to-the-top-of-vines-editors-picks) after The Verge discovered that an 'Editor's Pick' clip within the app linked to pornographic content.

Vine's Editor's Picks are curated content and are therefore displayed at the top of the app, which means a large portion of Vine's users saw the feed containing the inappropriate clip.

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Apple originally featured Vine last Friday, shortly after its release, but the Cupertino-based company has now reversed that decision and is no longer promoting Vine via the Editor's Choice section in the App Store.

According to a Twitter spokesperson who spoke to The Verge, the pornographic video was the result of human error.A human error resulted in a video with adult content becoming one of the videos in Editor's Picks, and upon realizing this mistake we removed the video immediately. We apologize to our users for the error.Apple was not satisfied with Twitter's apology, but the app did not receive the same treatment as 500px, which was removed from the App Store last week because it allowed users to search for nude photos (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/22/500pxs-photo-sharing-app-pulled-from-app-store-over-nude-photos/).

Though Vine has not been kicked off the App Store, Apple has ceased all promotions for the app. In addition to removing Vine from Editor's Choice, the app is no longer listed under the 'New and Noteworthy' section and it is not featured in the social apps category.

The Verge reports (http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/28/3925646/apple-stops-promoting-vine-in-wake-of-porn-controversy) that Vine has begun to hide inappropriate content within the app and is now blocking searches for several pornographic terms. Searching for the offending words no longer brings up search results, though inappropriate content can still be accessed when tapping on a tag.


Article Link: Apple Removes Vine from 'Editor’s Choice' for Featuring Pornographic Content (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/28/apple-removes-vine-from-editor%e2%80%99s-choice-for-featuring-pornographic-content/)

shadowbird423
Jan 28, 2013, 04:54 PM
"Case by case basis" huh. 500px should be steaming right now.

nick_elt
Jan 28, 2013, 04:58 PM
I think "Safari" has a bigger porn problem.....

If you could call it a problem.l

Stike
Jan 28, 2013, 05:00 PM
Porn is not a problem. The people who think that porn is a problem, are the problem.

ArtOfWarfare
Jan 28, 2013, 05:07 PM
Porn is not a problem. The people who think that porn is a problem, are the problem.

Try this: don't look at any porn for two weeks. Many addicts don't realize they're addicts until they attempt and fail that challenge.
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. the amount of time spent watching porn.

Porn is a problem. It's much much too easy to become addicted, very difficult to recover from the addition, and it shouldn't be possible to find it without knowing what it is and actively seeking it out.

More on topic: how did this mistake come about? It sounds to me like a staff person must have been watching this content at some point while at work and will likely be fired as a result.

Yamcha
Jan 28, 2013, 05:17 PM
I have no problem with porn, but I kind of understand why It's not allowed on the platform. There are too many underage iOS users, and I suspect that is one of the reasons why Apple does not approve these apps.

Also honestly have you looked at the Android Market? Last time I checked there was a lot of adult junk on the top downloads, so you always end up seeing it at the store..

I'd say If you want porn you can just google it on iOS, there are tons of sites that are available for free ;)

Mr. Retrofire
Jan 28, 2013, 05:17 PM
Apple Removes Vine from 'Editor’s Choice' for Featuring Pornographic Content
iLOL

dethmaShine
Jan 28, 2013, 05:21 PM
Why not remove from the AppStore like 500px?

MMonnnniiiieeee

SgtPepper12
Jan 28, 2013, 05:26 PM
Try this: don't look at any porn for two weeks. Many addicts don't realize they're addicts until they attempt and fail that challenge.
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. the amount of time spent watching porn.

Porn is a problem. It's much much too easy to become addicted, very difficult to recover from the addition, and it shouldn't be possible to find it without knowing what it is and actively seeking it out.

More on topic: how did this mistake come about? It sounds to me like a staff person must have been watching this content at some point while at work and will likely be fired as a result.
Oh wow, these people are real.

Dionte
Jan 28, 2013, 05:30 PM
Porn, where? Time to use that app.

PruneTracy
Jan 28, 2013, 05:45 PM
Try this: don't look at any porn for two weeks. Many addicts don't realize they're addicts until they attempt and fail that challenge.

Porn is a problem. It's much much too easy to become addicted, very difficult to recover from the addition, and it shouldn't be possible to find it without knowing what it is and actively seeking it out.

ಠ_ಠ

Not sure if awesome troll, or terrible person.

Samuriajackon
Jan 28, 2013, 05:45 PM
Porn, where? Time to use that app.

There is too much drugs, violence, and sex that can be bought in mainstream media today...it should be free... :)

pdjudd
Jan 28, 2013, 05:56 PM
Porn is a problem.

No Porn addiction is a problem. Addiction to any medium is a problem. Porn in of itself is not a problem any more than having an internet connection or a game console (and yes, gaming addiction and internet addiction is a recognized issue).

TsMkLg068426
Jan 28, 2013, 06:14 PM
I wonder if they will remove Safari browser next.

Shrink
Jan 28, 2013, 06:36 PM
try this: Don't look at any porn for two weeks. Many addicts don't realize they're addicts until they attempt and fail that challenge.
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. The amount of time spent watching porn.

Porn is a problem. It's much much too easy to become addicted, very difficult to recover from the addition, and it shouldn't be possible to find it without knowing what it is and actively seeking it out.

huh??!

tonmischa
Jan 28, 2013, 06:51 PM
"The fact we live in a society where it's ok to lay waste to hundreads of people in FPS, limbs being blown off, setting people on fire etc etc yet draws the line at a pair of female breats fills me with sadness."

(quoted from a discussion on Steam about allowing adult games on the platform. But I think this quote fits perfectly here too.)

ArtOfWarfare
Jan 28, 2013, 07:26 PM
"The fact we live in a society where it's ok to lay waste to hundreads of people in FPS, limbs being blown off, setting people on fire etc etc yet draws the line at a pair of female breats fills me with sadness."

(quoted from a discussion on Steam about allowing adult games on the platform. But I think this quote fits perfectly here too.)

I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with female breasts. I'm saying that porn is dangerously addictive and unlike other addictions, extremely easy to accidentally be subjected to. If someone posts a link to porn and you click on it without knowing where it leads, you have been subjected to porn. If you're a recovering addict, chances are you'll relapse then and there. It's a lot easier (I suspect - I don't have any stats to back this up,) for a recovering addict to alcohol to avoid their temptation than for a recovering addict to porn to avoid theirs.

yg17
Jan 28, 2013, 08:16 PM
Try this: don't look at any porn for two weeks. Many addicts don't realize they're addicts until they attempt and fail that challenge.
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. the amount of time spent watching porn.

Porn is a problem. It's much much too easy to become addicted, very difficult to recover from the addition, and it shouldn't be possible to find it without knowing what it is and actively seeking it out.

More on topic: how did this mistake come about? It sounds to me like a staff person must have been watching this content at some point while at work and will likely be fired as a result.

Not everyone who watches porn is an addict who constantly watches it and can't go a day without it. It's like saying that anyone who has a drink with dinner is a raging alcoholic. Don't take away booze because some people can't control their addictions, and don't take away porn because some people can't control their addictions.

Silverrune
Jan 28, 2013, 08:19 PM
Try this: don't look at any porn for two weeks. Many addicts don't realize they're addicts until they attempt and fail that challenge.
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. the amount of time spent watching porn.

Porn is a problem. It's much much too easy to become addicted, very difficult to recover from the addition, and it shouldn't be possible to find it without knowing what it is and actively seeking it out.

More on topic: how did this mistake come about? It sounds to me like a staff person must have been watching this content at some point while at work and will likely be fired as a result.

This addiction hurts nobody but potentially the user if their mindset on what is real is changed. Porn is not the problem, uneducated people are.

Shrink
Jan 28, 2013, 08:24 PM
Try this: don't look at any porn for two weeks. Many addicts don't realize they're addicts until they attempt and fail that challenge.
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. the amount of time spent watching porn.

Porn is a problem. It's much much too easy to become addicted, very difficult to recover from the addition, and it shouldn't be possible to find it without knowing what it is and actively seeking it out.

More on topic: how did this mistake come about? It sounds to me like a staff person must have been watching this content at some point while at work and will likely be fired as a result.

OK, a little more direct response...this is...ah...how shall I say this. I'll keep it clinical. As we in the mental health business say...this is pretty much total doo-doo.

I hope that wasn't too technical...

:rolleyes:

WestonHarvey1
Jan 28, 2013, 08:28 PM
Oh wow, these people are real.

An increasing number of men in their early 20s think erectile dysfunction is completely normal and have prescriptions for Viagra.

pdjudd
Jan 28, 2013, 09:04 PM
It's a lot easier (I suspect - I don't have any stats to back this up,) for a recovering addict to alcohol to avoid their temptation than for a recovering addict to porn to avoid theirs.

So do you have any cites to back up the remainder of your post? And if you are going to cite scientific studies, they should be real studies that do real research (not compilation studies) that show that porn is highly addictive (more so than other common addictions) and is objectively easy to be exposed to accidentally (than say, common violence, or the internet in general - both which can be addictive) and the difficulty to recover compared to other addictions (like physical addictions like smoking, drugs, drinking, etc).

If you want to make sweeping claims about something, you need to provide evidence.

Porn can be harmful. So can many other things. Porn is not a disease that you can catch by looking at it. Addiction is the disease that should be treated.

KieranDotW
Jan 28, 2013, 09:20 PM
Try this: don't look at any porn for two weeks. Many addicts don't realize they're addicts until they attempt and fail that challenge.
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. the amount of time spent watching porn.

Porn is a problem. It's much much too easy to become addicted, very difficult to recover from the addition, and it shouldn't be possible to find it without knowing what it is and actively seeking it out.

More on topic: how did this mistake come about? It sounds to me like a staff person must have been watching this content at some point while at work and will likely be fired as a result.

Sorry folks but I wholeheartedly agree with ArtofWarfare here. There are problems with porn and the industry. I imagine that many of the women involved have be abused in some way during their careers. And besides in a bare-bones look at it is porn really not just a form of prostitution? Which last i checked is illegal in 49 states? Not trying to start a debate here but just something to think about.

pdjudd
Jan 28, 2013, 09:50 PM
I imagine that many of the women involved have be abused in some way during their careers.

Cite please. And anything coming from people who have a known bias against porn is not a valid cite.

And besides in a bare-bones look at it is porn really not just a form of prostitution? Which last i checked is illegal in 49 states? Not trying to start a debate here but just something to think about.

Legally and practically no it is not. There is a reason that pornographers do not get convicted for prostitution (its been tried before) is based on freedom of speech - a movie involving actors who following a narrative is different from a john picking up a random girl on the street (something that I see as little different from the intention of most dates).

Yamcha
Jan 28, 2013, 11:01 PM
I guess It's all about perspective. At the end of the day I think It is filth :P, I don't think most people consider it a work of art or something to be proud of, It's just something to do when your not getting any..

There have been instances where teachers have been caught watching porn while in school, and that is very disturbing when your a parent.. It actually happened in my high school when I was younger, obviously the teacher was sacked..

Don't think it has it's place in devices kids will be using.

mrsir2009
Jan 28, 2013, 11:04 PM
Prudes!

pdjudd
Jan 28, 2013, 11:50 PM
I guess It's all about perspective. At the end of the day I think It is filth :P,

That's fine. It's your opinion. I can imagine that many people do not see it that way.

I don't think most people consider it a work of art or something to be proud of, It's just something to do when your not getting any..

I would say that is not accurate. There is lots of studies out there about couple that watch porn together. That it's only watch by people who can't get laid is a stereotype.

There have been instances where teachers have been caught watching porn while in school, and that is very disturbing when your a parent.. It actually happened in my high school when I was younger, obviously the teacher was sacked..

As they should have been. I would expect the same thing if they were doing other things around minors like drinking. Time and place. There are lots of legal things to do that one should't engage in many workplaces. Private business can set their own standards there.

Don't think it has it's place in devices kids will be using.

Trying to frame it as a "think of the children" argument gets us nowhere though. After all, kids have access to all sorts of things that adults also have access to. If you (g) want to keep your kids away from adult material (which is always going to exist no matter what), you educate your kids and teach them properly about what is age appropriate. I wouldn't let my kids watch porn anymore than I would give them a pack of smokes or a fifth of whisky. I wouldn't even take them to R rated movies. Of course I wouldn't try to ban such items in public either.

Lets be honest here. Lets not just try and target easy scapegoats and blame them for societies ills when we should be looking at society and try to avoid problems. You want to know why kids like violent video games? Parent's don't take the time to consider that their kids shouldn't be playing them and treat video games like babysitters and end up just buying whatever their children ask for. Trying to suppress things like this just makes them forbidden fruit and makes them more desirable. And making it less socially acceptable just makes people hide it more which increases the potential for problems since individuals never identify their own problems.

princigalli
Jan 28, 2013, 11:53 PM
Tired of Apple playing nanny with people, selecting lifestyles for me in a way even a church would not dare doing. And this from a company that last innovated phones in 2008 or so.

pdjudd
Jan 29, 2013, 12:01 AM
Tired of Apple playing nanny with people, selecting lifestyles for me in a way even a church would not dare doing. And this from a company that last innovated phones in 20008 or so.

What? Last I checked, Apple doesn't tell me what data I can or cannot access via safari. I can go to whatever website I wish to go to. About the only thing they restrict is the Apps you can buy but that's their right as a private company. And you know what? Most people don't really mind.

I don't know what you are talking about with "lifestyles" since they don't have anything to do with how I live my life.

mrsir2009
Jan 29, 2013, 01:06 AM
Don't think it has it's place in devices kids will be using.

Well kids use computers too, don't they? So does porn not have a place there either?

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Trying to suppress things like this just makes them forbidden fruit and makes them more desirable.

Exactly! My parents didn't restrict my access to the internet, and thus I'd discovered porn by age 11. It didn't screw me up, make me a porn addict or anything. I'm perfectly fine now, because my access to porn wasn't restricted, so I don't have an unhealthy desire/obsession with it.

DisMyMac
Jan 29, 2013, 01:18 AM
Suppressing sexual relief is evil, whether by shame or other controls. It's also hypocritical since we're all human and dreaming the same stuff basically.

mrsir2009
Jan 29, 2013, 01:29 AM
Suppressing sexual relief is evil, whether by shame or other controls. It's also hypocritical since we're all human and dreaming the same stuff basically.

As the old saying goes: 90% of people masturbate. The other 10% are lying :)

princigalli
Jan 29, 2013, 01:52 AM
What? Last I checked, Apple doesn't tell me what data I can or cannot access via safari. I can go to whatever website I wish to go to. About the only thing they restrict is the Apps you can buy but that's their right as a private company. And you know what? Most people don't really mind.

I don't know what you are talking about with "lifestyles" since they don't have anything to do with how I live my life.

Private company doesn't mean that they should have so much control over what people do or don't with devices that are an important part of people's life. If Apple wants to protect children they can use parental restrictions, and that's a good thing, but It's offensive to tell adults what they can or can't download when it's all legal.

Instead of censure, Apple should try to come out with a phone that's innovative instead of just being a bit longer than the one they had already man years ago.

I'm glad I stopped using IOS, and I love the alternatives.

chrisrosemusic1
Jan 29, 2013, 02:46 AM
Wow, 6 seconds of porn? Is that enough for some people?? -_- Get real Apple ffs, who gives a damn.

NutsNGum
Jan 29, 2013, 02:59 AM
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. the amount of time spent watching porn.


What, two minutes?

roadbloc
Jan 29, 2013, 03:22 AM
Yawn. Apple need to grow a pair. Porn exists. Deal with it.

SBlue1
Jan 29, 2013, 05:49 AM
Try this: don't look at any porn for two weeks. Many addicts don't realize they're addicts until they attempt and fail that challenge.
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. the amount of time spent watching porn.

Porn is a problem. It's much much too easy to become addicted, very difficult to recover from the addition, and it shouldn't be possible to find it without knowing what it is and actively seeking it out.

More on topic: how did this mistake come about? It sounds to me like a staff person must have been watching this content at some point while at work and will likely be fired as a result.

wow, i knew americans are prude, but is this comment real? :confused:

The Phazer
Jan 29, 2013, 06:14 AM
What? Last I checked, Apple doesn't tell me what data I can or cannot access via safari.

Of course they do. They blocked Flash, which means the only way to do proper playlisting so you can sell advertising inventory or secure video delivery so you can sell access was to distribute via applications. That had a major economic effect on what people could or couldn't offer you in Safari.

They also, for example, control the push notification framework. Want to run an online dating site or social network for kinksters that does something as innocuous as push notifications of new messages? Blocked.

GoCubsGo
Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 AM
Jesus Christ people, you have really derailed this thread. Apple is a POS for taking away one app because you could search for porn and not this. This app has porn, what I consider to be true porn; even at 6 seconds.

I'm surprised this is still in the App Store. I have the app and the porn doesn't offend me because its not required that I search for it. The editor's pick ending up in the feed is worse than 500 px any day of the week. Apple needs to eat crow and return one app or get rid of the other.

M-O
Jan 29, 2013, 06:30 AM
i don't get vine. nor do i care to.

pdjudd
Jan 29, 2013, 06:48 AM
Of course they do. They blocked Flash, which means the only way to do proper playlisting so you can sell advertising inventory or secure video delivery so you can sell access was to distribute via applications. That had a major economic effect on what people could or couldn't offer you in Safari.

I was talking about the internet specifically. Apple by the way never "blocked" flash. Adobe never offered it and Apple never designed it and for good reason. But not offering a plugin doesn't equal controlling what data you can get access to - that's a technical limitation.


They also, for example, control the push notification framework. Want to run an online dating site or social network for kinksters that does something as innocuous as push notifications of new messages? Blocked.

Application framework is 100% private and has nothing to so with what I was talking about. I specifically said that they control the application market which they have the right to do.

My point is that Apple doesn't "nanny" the internet via safari at all. They do not limit the websites that you can access. Not all of them may work but Apple doesn't stop you from getting to them.

ETA: Private company doesn't mean that they should have so much control over what people do or don't with devices that are an important part of people's life. If Apple wants to protect children they can use parental restrictions, and that's a good thing, but It's offensive to tell adults what they can or can't download when it's all legal.

Apple doesn't censor Safari. They censor the App Store - they are a private company and can legally do that. You know that going in and that is a choice that they have every right to make. It is not offensive to define the terms. Nobody has to buy an iPhone. That is a choice. Apple censors their private App store because they want to create and sell a specific experience. It's their rodeo.

Instead of censure, Apple should try to come out with a phone that's innovative instead of just being a bit longer than the one they had already man years ago.


Oh yes! Its the "Apple doesn't innovate" argument nonsense.

I'm glad I stopped using IOS, and I love the alternatives.
Good for you! Thats how the free market is supposed to work!

princigalli
Jan 29, 2013, 07:52 AM
Oh yes! Its the "Apple doesn't innovate" argument nonsense.

They did innovate in 2007 with the Iphone, and then with the Ipad and OSX, but when have you seen innovation with their phones in the last years? Most people I know consider Iphones to be totally boring.

ArtOfWarfare
Jan 29, 2013, 08:08 AM
So do you have any cites to back up the remainder of your post? And if you are going to cite scientific studies, they should be real studies that do real research (not compilation studies) that show that porn is highly addictive (more so than other common addictions) and is objectively easy to be exposed to accidentally (than say, common violence, or the internet in general

I have these:

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2004/11/65772

... and the other article I unfortunately saved nowhere and I can't actually find... it was a blog post on cracked.com which is where I got the two week challenge to determine whether you're an addict or not in my initial post. It wasn't the most rigorous of studies but it showed that somewhere around 90% of men and 30% of women are incapable of keeping themselves from viewing porn for two or more weeks (as I recall they found 10 days was when most people break down.) If you're incapable of not doing it, then you're addicted to it.

But that's besides the point. I'm not proposing that porn should be banned anymore than alcohol is. I am saying that viewing porn shouldn't be something that you can easily accidentally do. When I download an app from the app store, I should be confident that opening the app and tapping on something labeled a "staff pick" won't be porn. I should have to actively want and seek it out.

chagla
Jan 29, 2013, 08:11 AM
meanwhile there are thousands of "shooting" games, glorified killing games are roaming unchained on appstore. iUsers need policing by apple. lol.

Kissaragi
Jan 29, 2013, 08:20 AM
I don't know much about vine but I presume pornographic images aren't allowed on it anyway? Most social sites dont allow it.

*edit* Ah nope, apparently nudity is fine on there.

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When I download an app from the app store, I should be confident that opening the app and tapping on something labeled a "staff pick" won't be porn.

As crazy as you are, I do have to agree with this, just nothing else you've said.

SgtPepper12
Jan 29, 2013, 09:12 AM
I have these:

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2004/11/65772

... and the other article I unfortunately saved nowhere and I can't actually find... it was a blog post on cracked.com which is where I got the two week challenge to determine whether you're an addict or not in my initial post. It wasn't the most rigorous of studies but it showed that somewhere around 90% of men and 30% of women are incapable of keeping themselves from viewing porn for two or more weeks (as I recall they found 10 days was when most people break down.) If you're incapable of not doing it, then you're addicted to it.

But that's besides the point. I'm not proposing that porn should be banned anymore than alcohol is. I am saying that viewing porn shouldn't be something that you can easily accidentally do. When I download an app from the app store, I should be confident that opening the app and tapping on something labeled a "staff pick" won't be porn. I should have to actively want and seek it out.
Internet pornography is the new crack cocaine, leading to addiction, misogyny, pedophilia, boob jobs and erectile dysfunction, according to clinicians and researchers testifying before a Senate committee Thursday.
And that's precisely where I stopped reading. I can't believe there are actually people thinking this or even taking bs like this seriously outside of Iran or something. Really baffles me.

WestonHarvey1
Jan 29, 2013, 09:23 AM
And that's precisely where I stopped reading. I can't believe there are actually people thinking this or even taking bs like this seriously outside of Iran or something. Really baffles me.

Why don't you Google Porn-Induced Sexual Dysfunction and educate yourself before spouting off about the Iranian Revolution.

gmcalpin
Jan 29, 2013, 09:53 AM
If you don't think being addicted is a problem, consider the amount of extra time you wish you had each day vs. the amount of time spent watching porn.
Three minutes?

princigalli
Jan 29, 2013, 10:15 AM
Why don't you Google Porn-Induced Sexual Dysfunction and educate yourself before spouting off about the Iranian Revolution.

Because I don't know anybody with this Dysfunction, there are worse problems in the world. And it's not Apple's job to fix this.

WestonHarvey1
Jan 29, 2013, 10:37 AM
Because I don't know anybody with this Dysfunction, there are worse problems in the world. And it's not Apple's job to fix this.

Apple isn't trying to take your precious porn away. Nobody could even if they wanted to.

They have storefronts, the App Store and iTunes Store, and they don't want to sell porn in those storefronts. Just like JCPenny and Best Buy and just about every other retailer in the world. Most retailers want nothing to do with selling porn.

Not sure why that's so hard for people.

Sayer
Jan 29, 2013, 10:54 AM
Not everyone who watches porn is an addict who constantly watches it and can't go a day without it. It's like saying that anyone who has a drink with dinner is a raging alcoholic. Don't take away booze because some people can't control their addictions, and don't take away porn because some people can't control their addictions.

Not everyone who owns a hand gun is a homicidal maniac who constantly shoots people and can't go a day without killing some one. It's like saying that anyone who has a so-called assault rifle is a homicidal maniac. Don't take away guns because some people can't control their psychotic behavior, and don't take away so-called assault rifles because some people can't follow the laws of the land and become criminals.

pietrociao
Jan 29, 2013, 11:15 AM
So do you have any cites to back up the remainder of your post? And if you are going to cite scientific studies, they should be real studies that do real research (not compilation studies) that show that porn is highly addictive (more so than other common addictions) and is objectively easy to be exposed to accidentally (than say, common violence, or the internet in general - both which can be addictive) and the difficulty to recover compared to other addictions (like physical addictions like smoking, drugs, drinking, etc).

If you want to make sweeping claims about something, you need to provide evidence.

Porn can be harmful. So can many other things. Porn is not a disease that you can catch by looking at it. Addiction is the disease that should be treated.

Please read this, there are plenty of studies: Drug of the New Millennium: Pornography 500mg -- http://www.amazon.com/Drug-New-Millennium-Pornography-ebook/dp/B004NEW6TM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1359478823&sr=8-2&keywords=drug+of+the+new+millennium

and about how harmful and degrading it is for those women working in the porn industry, please visit https://www.thepinkcross.org/

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Cite please. And anything coming from people who have a known bias against porn is not a valid cite.



Legally and practically no it is not. There is a reason that pornographers do not get convicted for prostitution (its been tried before) is based on freedom of speech - a movie involving actors who following a narrative is different from a john picking up a random girl on the street (something that I see as little different from the intention of most dates).


Please visit https://www.thepinkcross.org/ to see how harmful it is, how different the industry is from what you think.

And about addiction there are many studies presented in this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Drug-New-Millennium-Pornography-ebook/dp/B004NEW6TM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1359478823&sr=8-2&keywords=drug+of+the+new+millennium

PracticalMac
Jan 29, 2013, 11:26 AM
Welcome to the POLICE STATE of Apple!
Violators will be summarily executed!



Q, how many chose Android becuase of Apples stance on porn?

PracticalMac
Jan 29, 2013, 11:40 AM
Please read this, there are plenty of studies: Drug of the New Millennium: Pornography 500mg -- http://www.amazon.com/Drug-New-Millennium-Pornography-ebook/dp/B004NEW6TM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1359478823&sr=8-2&keywords=drug+of+the+new+millennium

and about how harmful and degrading it is for those women working in the porn industry, please visit https://www.thepinkcross.org/

Porn is just a symptom, not the cause.

Their are endless pictures and videos of women (and men) on tape having sex, be it money or just enjoyment.

Those who are discovered loose jobs, careers, are given the scarlet letter.

Of course the men are given high fives (see Ron Jeremy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Jeremy)).

Yes, pornography has unfortunate downsides, but is minor next to how a society treats women and views sex in general.

(long ago I read an article that suggest porn releases sexual tension, actually reduces rape and violence to women. Quick search seems to support that (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2006/10/how_the_web_prevents_rape.html))


.... I think this should be moved to Social issues forum.

TouchMint.com
Jan 29, 2013, 12:42 PM
I am OK with this because now Apple has room to feature my app instead! :rolleyes:

pietrociao
Jan 29, 2013, 01:05 PM
(long ago I read an article that suggest porn releases sexual tension, actually reduces rape and violence to women. Quick search seems to support that (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2006/10/how_the_web_prevents_rape.html))


Many more studies reported in that book actually prove the opposite. Also, porn always leads to objectify women, seeing them as a source of pleasure, a collection of body parts. The problem with porn is not that it shows too much, but that it shows too little of the beauty of women by reducing them to physical attributes used for excitement. If you do porn it becomes harder to have real intimate relationships based on true love. Yes, we have instincts, but I real man is the one that can dominate them.

I agree with you about this thread going off-topic.

PracticalMac
Jan 29, 2013, 01:45 PM
Many more studies reported in that book actually prove the opposite. Also, porn always leads to objectify women, seeing them as a source of pleasure, a collection of body parts. The problem with porn is not that it shows too much, but that it shows too little of the beauty of women by reducing them to physical attributes used for excitement. If you do porn it becomes harder to have real intimate relationships based on true love. Yes, we have instincts, but I real man is the one that can dominate them.

I agree with you about this thread going off-topic.

I do not disagree with you,
however I think the much bigger issue is a society that objectifies women to a massive scale, and makes sex the ultimate goal at any cost.
I see little difference between a porn actress and one in very tiny, sexy clothing selling some product or other (at least the porn actress is honest about the message).

(To be clear, simply being nude does not equate to porn. Swimming or sunbathing nude for instance)

0dev
Jan 29, 2013, 03:08 PM
This is one reason why I'm moving away from iOS. Seriously. Apple treats its users like children.

I have this (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.eoti.fetlife) on my Nexus 7, it's brilliant. The fact I can't get it on my iPhone because Apple thinks that after paying them craploads of money they need to shelter me from sexuality pisses me off, and navigating full size, non-mobile optimised social networking interfaces on a smartphone is just irritating.

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Apple isn't trying to take your precious porn away. Nobody could even if they wanted to.

They have storefronts, the App Store and iTunes Store, and they don't want to sell porn in those storefronts. Just like JCPenny and Best Buy and just about every other retailer in the world. Most retailers want nothing to do with selling porn.

Not sure why that's so hard for people.

Which would be fine if Apple didn't limit customers to only buying apps from those storefronts, but they do.

It's also quite hypocritical when they sell Fifty Shades in the iBooks Store.

WestonHarvey1
Jan 29, 2013, 03:36 PM
It's also quite hypocritical when they sell Fifty Shades in the iBooks Store.

Fiction typically isn't seen as pornographic (even when it is). It has a higher bar to cross. That's just the way that turned out for whatever reason. You'll find that book in tons of stores that would never dream of selling Hustler.

Ultimately, it's about what the company is comfortable with selling and customers will punish or reward the company with where they take their business.

lazard
Jan 29, 2013, 03:41 PM
so when is Apple gonna remove Safari? I found a lot of porn on it.

0dev
Jan 29, 2013, 03:45 PM
Fiction typically isn't seen as pornographic (even when it is). It has a higher bar to cross. That's just the way that turned out for whatever reason. You'll find that book in tons of stores that would never dream of selling Hustler.

Ultimately, it's about what the company is comfortable with selling and customers will punish or reward the company with where they take their business.

Visual porn is fiction too, like James Bond. Just because it's a picture or a video doesn't make it non-fiction.

If anything Fifty Shades is probably more explicit than whatever porn was in that app, unless said porn was sourced from Kink.com.

I dunno about you but I reward companies who let me access whatever content I want on my own devices.

Mactendo
Jan 29, 2013, 09:39 PM
In the last 40 years western people were made believe that violence, killings and death is more acceptable than sex. Violence is everywhere: from daily news to TV series, movies and computer games. And while kids are growing up getting used to it, while such movies as Saw appears on big screen, the Big Brother pushes and pushes the idea that porn (a depiction of sex) is such a sick, pervert and prohibited thing.

princigalli
Jan 30, 2013, 01:05 AM
Apple isn't trying to take your precious porn away. Nobody could even if they wanted to.

They have storefronts, the App Store and iTunes Store, and they don't want to sell porn in those storefronts. Just like JCPenny and Best Buy and just about every other retailer in the world. Most retailers want nothing to do with selling porn.

Not sure why that's so hard for people.

Avoid making assumptions about people. Just because you have issues, don't involve tother people. Don't tell people what's precious for them or not. It's your personal problem.

novatwin
Jan 30, 2013, 08:52 AM
“We live in a world where we have to hide to make love, while violence is practiced in broad daylight.”

― John Lennon

WestonHarvey1
Jan 30, 2013, 09:34 AM
Avoid making assumptions about people. Just because you have issues, don't involve tother people. Don't tell people what's precious for them or not. It's your personal problem.

I have issues? What issues do I have, doctor?