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Wano
Dec 8, 2002, 12:02 AM
Does anyone know if the upcoming PowerBooks will still have the curent titanium casing, or will there be a change in the design?
Also, will they have ddr sdram, dual processers(if possible), 2xsuperdrive, etc...?

Chaszmyr
Dec 8, 2002, 12:19 AM
400mhz DDRRAM, Platinum casing, quad processors, 4x DVD-R :-P

Nah but seriously, maybe a 2x DVD-R... dual processors are doubtful, DDR RAM is probable, but i wouldnt want to gaurantee anything... and i wouldnt expect a drastic powerbook redesign until the G5 comes out (they may make a minor change to it though)

Wano
Dec 8, 2002, 12:24 AM
yeah....i can't remeber where, but i saw somewhere that they are thinking of changing the design on the upcoming ones, but i dont know what they will change...but i guess if there is not a major change i will get 1ghz w/superdrive after the newer ones are released, so that i can get it cheap!:D

solvs
Dec 8, 2002, 12:27 AM
There won't be any changes anytime soon. Maybe a 2x DVD-R, but otherwise there probably won't be any big changes for at least 5-6 months.

DDR is a possibility, but then we'll all be complaining about the heat, lower battery life, and the fact that it isn't being fully utilized.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Wano
Dec 8, 2002, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by solvs
There won't be any changes anytime soon. Maybe a 2x DVD-R, but otherwise there probably won't be any big changes for at least 5-6 months.

the new line probably wont be released untill 5-6months from now anyways...and ddr would definately be nice.

BenderBot1138
Dec 8, 2002, 01:51 AM
I may not know anything... but I would send pizza's to the Powerbook team if they were to put High Definition Displays on Powerbooks. The video systems can handle it and it's a very moderate cost difference to implement the change in the manufacturing process.

:cool:

Nipsy
Dec 8, 2002, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by BenderBot1138
I may not know anything... but I would send pizza's to the Powerbook team if they were to put High Definition Displays on Powerbooks. The video systems can handle it and it's a very moderate cost difference to implement the change in the manufacturing process.

:cool:

Since pixel density affects the cost of the LCD panel, it would still make for a much more expensive machine.

Additionally, while 1600x1024 may be available in the future, it is unlikely you'll be seeing 1920x1200 in a Ti, as the costs would be enormous, and the pixels may be too small for users with glasses/contacts

BenderBot1138
Dec 8, 2002, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by Nipsy


Since pixel density affects the cost of the LCD panel, it would still make for a much more expensive machine.

Additionally, while 1600x1024 may be available in the future, it is unlikely you'll be seeing 1920x1200 in a Ti, as the costs would be enormous, and the pixels may be too small for users with glasses/contacts

If Apple began implementing High Definition on all it's displays, for example on a Powerbook, would you be willing to pay an extra $300-500.00 for the high end model? I'm really interested in this. I see it as strong marketing point to distinguish yet further Apple from it's competitors by continuing to extend the quality differences in high end offerings, and marketing quality is a critical point when squaring off with the more sucessful, but less inovative and polished non-Apple competitors.

I suppose it could be said that Apple has correctly offered a High Definition Display in its 23 inch display, and thus has taken care of the high end customer.

Consider, however, the cost difference between the 22 and 23 inch Apple Cinema Displays. At 2499 to 3499 (about a 7/10 comparison), the costs are not dramatically different. Take into consideration that the higher cost includes an extra inch of display dimension, and the 7/10 comparison may be even less.

I don't see the cost difference at this time as a vast expanse or something that might be unfordable across the board in all Apples in the near future (given a greater demand in the manufactured market and thus lowering of cost).

Imagine the draw to the general public to be able to say: "If you buy an Apple Computer, you'll have High Definition."

Good points though Nipsy, can't deny the general concerns or logic of your argument at all. What do you make of the above qualifiers?

:cool:

JSRockit
Dec 8, 2002, 09:58 AM
I think the next major PowerBook revision will be a total redesign. Of course I think Apple may give us a 2X superdrive in January...but that is it. Perhaps the low-end TiBook could be dropped to $1999. $2299 (or higher) has been the low-end price since the first G3 PowerBook.

Wano
Dec 10, 2002, 06:56 PM
So, there might be an update on the current model and maybe a price drop in MWSF, even though they were just introduced in November?

JSRockit
Dec 10, 2002, 07:03 PM
Yep...Apple has updated drives before after a month or two. As far as price cuts...that is more of a hope thing. It is never out of the question though. The low-end price of $2299-2499 has been around since the first G3 powerbook. Most companies lower prices each year...not Apple.

HasanDaddy
Dec 10, 2002, 07:47 PM
The price drop has already been pretty substantial............I don't see another one coming for a while

JSRockit
Dec 10, 2002, 08:07 PM
Sure...on the iBooks...it isn't going to happen. I can see the TiBook going down another $100 sooner or later.

bousozoku
Dec 10, 2002, 09:13 PM
The only change I really expect is a better AirPort antenna implementation so it actually works well.

Of course, I would hope for faster FireWire and USB 2.0 connections along with enhanced displays and processors.

thedude
Dec 10, 2002, 10:12 PM
I know, you've heard it before but here it goes...

my friend works at apple and suggested that 2003 will be the year for a design shift in the mobile lineup. He said the next major revision will be a huge departure from traditional notebook design. Wireless networking being a major factor. With rendezvous, this makes sense.

I'm assuming that summer is a timeframe for the next update, and your guess is as good as mine for what it actually includes.

Again, I know that this really means nothing, just thought that everyone might want some rumor nuggets to munch on until the macworld stuff starts up.;)

Jaykay
Dec 10, 2002, 10:12 PM
Well, i have to say, id like all the things mentioned here, but what i want first is a change to the casing.

Now i know everyone loves the titanium, it looks cool and all but damn you have to really take care of it.

I got the 1Ghz PB recently and it looks great but i left it beside my old ti powerbook and the difference was amazing, chipped paint dents on both sides and the colour had slightly faded.

For somebody who uses it a lot and is moving from bag to bag and so on, it gets really annoying.

Well thats my take on it.

cubist
Dec 10, 2002, 11:29 PM
... white keyboard and display area on the inside; chrome areas when closed, with a transparent (clear) outer casing. Shiny chrome and clear, rather than the frosted look of the icebook. It'll still have a propensity to scratch, unfortunately.

Pure speculation of course... Actually I don't see how anyone could make a more beautiful laptop than the TiBook. Sure, it's delicate; Apple could make it more rugged. Stainless steel, perhaps? It's definitely in style for kitchens.

JSRockit
Dec 11, 2002, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by cubist
... white keyboard and display area on the inside; chrome areas when closed, with a transparent (clear) outer casing. Shiny chrome and clear, rather than the frosted look of the icebook. It'll still have a propensity to scratch, unfortunately.

Pure speculation of course... Actually I don't see how anyone could make a more beautiful laptop than the TiBook. Sure, it's delicate; Apple could make it more rugged. Stainless steel, perhaps? It's definitely in style for kitchens.

Anything other than titanium will up the lbs. That will suck. However, I believe Apple will address the case concerns due to poor Airport reception and durability.

Funkatation
Dec 11, 2002, 04:13 PM
DDR RAM does not consume more power, or generate more heat than SDRAM. it actually runs at a lower voltage, thereby consuming less power, and generating less heat than SDRAM. Just thought i'd point that out =)

Computer_Phreak
Dec 11, 2002, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Funkatation
DDR RAM does not consume more power, or generate more heat than SDRAM. it actually runs at a lower voltage, thereby consuming less power, and generating less heat than SDRAM. Just thought i'd point that out =)


well if you consider that DDR RAM is..

DDR SDRAM

then...

Funkatation
Dec 11, 2002, 04:50 PM
ok... DDR SDRAM runs at a lower voltage than SDRAM. better? something along 1.5v vs 3.3v IIRC.

yamadataro
Dec 14, 2002, 03:48 AM
Originally posted by Jaykay
Well, i have to say, id like all the things mentioned here, but what i want first is a change to the casing.


Yeah, I'm hoping for the same casing change. I'm totally happy about anything else. Well, except for the AirPort reception maybe...

In my experience through two TiBooks (400 and 800), it seems like that the whiter paint part in the middle chips off real easily. Apple could just change that lighter paint to the dark metalic one, and the paint issue will be solved :)

Megaquad
Dec 14, 2002, 06:06 AM
I seriously hope nothing major will change in upcoming powerbooks.. because i am getting 1ghz one heheh :D

JSRockit
Dec 14, 2002, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by Megaquad
I seriously hope nothing major will change in upcoming powerbooks.. because i am getting 1ghz one heheh :D

That's lame. You have to ruin it for the rest of us?

8trackmac
Dec 17, 2002, 10:48 AM
as far as airport goes, didn't they fix/enhance that in the new models?(my 1ghz certainly seems to receive well). I could see a real possibility for a new laptop design, but not a ibook/powerbook. something new. why else would they drop the price so much on them?
eh?

Megaquad
Dec 17, 2002, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by JSRockit


That's lame. You have to ruin it for the rest of us?
yes? :p
seriously my hope can't change anything but this is what am i hoping for next powerbooks
same screen
cpu..maybe little faster, 1.13 ghz or something
same disk
same graphics
maybe some faster superdrive
it wont boot to os9 (while mine will:D )

jkojima
Dec 17, 2002, 01:35 PM
Let's look at the technologies that are fairly common on the PC side, and that Apple has yet to implement in its portables:

USB 2.0
Built-in BlueTooth (or an internally-held expansion card)
DDR Memory
Hardware-based variable bus timing

These have been discussed at length in these forums and I think are the most likely candidates for the next "major" revision to the portable lineup.

The tablet PC phoenomenon is interesting. Microsoft only expects a few hundred thousand units to be sold in its first year, which, to them, represents more of a test market than a viable business unit at this point in time. Apple, however, is a niche player in the industry and such a technology, if aggressively developed by the company, could represent a potential opportunity for the company to capture market share. A hundred thousand units to Apple would be a nice additional revenue stream. So, while I still don't think it is likely they will come out with a tablet any time soon, this is one argument supporting that possibility. Of course, being the market follower and having to overcome Microsoft's marketing efforts to link its brand with the tablet PC concept would mean Apple would have to spend BIG money on both R&D and promotion. That's money I don't think they have. So, personally, I think Apple will steer clear of the tablet PC market and introduce either an alternative, or invent a whole new product category that hasn't yet been seen on the market.

whocares
Dec 17, 2002, 02:04 PM
How about kevlar-carbon casings: light, strong and good looking!
Imagine an Apple logo weaved into the fibers!

Probably be terrible at heat dissipation though

ColdAngel
Dec 17, 2002, 02:14 PM
I am IT student and I plan to buy a PowerBook but never before :

USB2
Firewire2
Built-in Bluetooth

I really hope a new design, and DDR, top video card, hard freq change, and has dream ;

A tablete writing area below the keybord and bi-pro

Mr. Dibbs
Dec 17, 2002, 03:05 PM
i know this is way the hell off, but out of curiosity, the ppc 970 uses both copper, and SOI, as well as a smaller dye... and the G5 will likely be quite powerhungry if it's made with aluminum as is motorola's bad habit. so the question is, if it runs starting at 1.4 [or was it 1.8?] GHz, then, wouldn't it be conceievable to see a 970 in portables first? I mean who cares about a power efficient desktop? it's plugged into the wall. then that would leave the gap for iBooks to inherit the G4 as an inferior processor. apple already has IBM doing the G3 chips for the iBooks, and IBM, IIRC, has optimized the hell out of the G3, getting it running at a cool GHz and some change. just a thought.

oh, and I'm plenty happy about the radeon 9000 mobilitys being used in the portables. I wouldn't think apple should update the video chipset till Nvidia comes out with their big honkin FX chipset.

Megaquad
Dec 17, 2002, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by ColdAngel
I am IT student and I plan to buy a PowerBook but never before :

USB2
Firewire2
Built-in Bluetooth

I really hope a new design, and DDR, top video card, hard freq change, and has dream ;

A tablete writing area below the keybord and bi-pro
Why do you need USB 2.0? Most of stuff comes in firewire, and if you really need it you can get PCMCIA USB 2.0 adapter

Firewire 2? you wont buy PB without FW2? wtf?
we cant even know for sure if that technology exists, and why would anyone need such a high bandwidth? besides if it even somehow gets out there wont be much devices that are compatible with it for a long time and they might be expensive as hell

built-in bluetooth, true that i wish powerbook has one..but for now the only solution seem those usb adapters..

Flickta
Dec 17, 2002, 03:35 PM
Personally i would like the paint ("Titanium"... ) not to vanish into the thin air in a month... Seriously, why isn't it more durable? For $3000?

Over Achiever
Dec 17, 2002, 03:36 PM
Firewire2 would be great for high speed transfers between good external firewire drives ;)

ColdAngel
Dec 17, 2002, 04:02 PM
Why USB2 ?
Beacause all PC have FireWire now, if Apple don't have some + for the price tag, they will lose share.
And more and more device are using USB2

And fot the look, it's been more than 2 years since the first Ti, hey gut show us some think new, I have to hadmit I love it but a litle redisign will help. To get rid of the peinture pb, I thougt about a darker case ? With Airport anthena outside and keep that super cool TI.

uhlawboi80
Dec 17, 2002, 04:31 PM
gotta say i love my TiBook and its held up pretty well (dont know WHAT flickta is talking about...my paint is just dandy). i think we wont see major design changes till the new chip comes out...then i think all the lines will get an overhaul. It will be hard to beat this design, and if it is drastically changed i will probably keep this one and just hit up my family up for money for a new one. I have a cube i dont really use but im not getting rid of it...its art. so is my TiBook (though i use it almost exclusively :) ).

ColdAngel
Dec 17, 2002, 04:53 PM
Yes but 2 years is still a long time.
And now a computer is not a processeur it's more the stuff arround that mater.
I don't ask for a full redisign just some change, I will love a darker one.

And your're right it's defenitly a piece of art.

JSRockit
Dec 17, 2002, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by ColdAngel
I am IT student and I plan to buy a PowerBook but never before :

USB2
Firewire2
Built-in Bluetooth

I really hope a new design, and DDR, top video card, hard freq change, and has dream ;

A tablete writing area below the keybord and bi-pro

I guess you are never buying one then?

JSRockit
Dec 17, 2002, 06:42 PM
The next TiBook will most likely be redesigned.

ColdAngel
Dec 17, 2002, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by JSRockit


I guess you are never buying one then?

Nope but used one a cuple of week, why ?

Over Achiever
Dec 17, 2002, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by ColdAngel
I am IT student and I plan to buy a PowerBook but never before :
Before...
USB2No matter how bad mac users hate PCs, USB2 will be implemented eventually, probably within the next year, probably a couple months after firewire2 is released.
Firewire2See above.
Built-in BluetoothI know you want to be cutting edge, but ask yourself if you truly need bluetooth. That said, bluetooth is not that widespread within PC laptops, but I see Apple implementing bluetooth soon. Probably the next revision or so.
I really hope a new design, and DDR, top video card, hard freq changeVery possible, the DDR will probably make its way into the next revision or the one after that. As for the graphics card, I'm not sure Apple will do that again, but here's to hoping. As for the case design, I'm predicting a new paint job. ;)
, and has dream ;

A tablete writing area below the keybord and bi-proYou really got to word that a little better, I know that you meant it as a dream, or a hope you did.;) DUAL PROCESSORS IN A LAPTOP WILL NOT HAPPEN UNLESS THEY CAN DISSIPATE THE HEAT AND INCLUDE A 120 W-hr battery (the current one is 61 W-hr;))

Over Achiever
Dec 17, 2002, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by ColdAngel


Nope but used one a cuple of week, why ?

Dude, you worded your post like you were never going to buy a powerbook at all until it had those features. Obviously you meant a new powerbook.;)

JSRockit
Dec 17, 2002, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by ColdAngel


Nope but used one a cuple of week, why ?

I don't think Apple will add USB 2.

JSRockit
Dec 17, 2002, 08:17 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Over Achiever
[B]

Very possible, the DDR will probably make its way into the next revision or the one after that. As for the graphics card, I'm not sure Apple will do that again, but here's to hoping. /QUOTE]

There isn't a better video card to put in the TiBook is there?

Over Achiever
Dec 17, 2002, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by JSRockit
There isn't a better video card to put in the TiBook is there?

Not currently. Nvidia has a better performing chip (can't remember the name) which is great for gaming portables. Bad for power comsumption.

I started a thread on this, but no one seems to care.
Click me. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?threadid=14410)

But like they say...new technology is always around the corner...in a year we'll have a new chip ;) but apple may be content to stay with the current chip.

This is all speculation ;)

JSRockit
Dec 18, 2002, 06:07 PM
Didn't realize that the nvidia was considered better...do you know any current laptops using it?