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Firewire-USB, who invented?
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did sony invent the 4-pin thing? if so...ugh...they suck...Counterfit said:
edit: speaking of sony and 4-pin firewire, is there anything for the ps2 that uses firewire? i tried using a firewire hard drive to save pics in gt4 but it didnt work and i tried about every other firewire device i have...nothing.
why does not all computers use fireWire , it all round better i have yet to find something that FireFire coudl not do if given teh chance!
Sony put iLink on the PS2 to allow gamers to network Playstations together (sort of like gameboy used to do). You need two games, two controllers, two PS2s, two TV, etc. Each gamer gets their own screen. Good idea until they released the network adapter. I'm pretty sure the PStwo doesn't come with the iLink port.homerjward said:
Actually Intel purchased the USB technology originally created by a single guy while working at some peripheral company whose name escapes me at the moment (Imation maybe).
FireWire was 100% Apple, who wanted to collect something like $0.25 per port for patent royalties.
As a side note Apple has now completely eliminated FireWire support from the iPods in favor of USB 2.0. This was claimed to be a "Windows" friendly move since a lot of PeeCees lack FireWire (and buying a $30 card to add FireWire is such a hardship for people who spend $400 for their entire PeeCee).
Oh well.
FireWire was 100% Apple, who wanted to collect something like $0.25 per port for patent royalties.
As a side note Apple has now completely eliminated FireWire support from the iPods in favor of USB 2.0. This was claimed to be a "Windows" friendly move since a lot of PeeCees lack FireWire (and buying a $30 card to add FireWire is such a hardship for people who spend $400 for their entire PeeCee).
Oh well.
Totally, totally incorrect.Sayer said:
Apple, Sony, Canon, ST Microelectronics, Matsushita, National Semiconductor, RF Microdevices, ST Microelectronics, and others I can't think of right now all directly had a hand in creating Firewire. They all share the patents for it. The 25 cents per system to use firewire even gets distributed between them all via the 1394 Licensing Authority. Even more companies were indirectly involved. Even an Intel protocol was used in the design. Apple just thinks they invented Firewire.
zap2 said:
Keyboards? Mice? Internal bus?
FireWire is much better for large files, USB is much better for small data transfers.
Also, the internal BlueTooth module connects through USB. Easier to implement than over FireWire.
They compliment each other. I think it is good mix... pretty easy to use and operate, anywhoo.
4 pin FireWire ports (a.k.a. i.Link) have their uses. They're great on digital video cameras, which require more power than the bus can provide (I think), or anything else that generally runs on separate power supplies.homerjward said:
So it looks like Apple invented the name Firewire but the IEEE had already established the standard which Apple modified.MisterMe said:
Personally I prefer Firewire simply because it is easy to see which have to plug it in compared to USB.
Short: FireWire=Apple, USB=Intel
Long:
FireWire (the name) was created by Apple to describe a hardware interface that they designed most of, based on the control protocol defined by the IEEE. Apple and many other companies own patents on what is currently called 'FireWire'.
USB was originated by Intel, with input from many other companies, including Microsoft. It was, however, POPULARLIZED by Apple with the original iMac. (USB ports had been included on PCs for a couple years before that, but USB peripherals were few and far between until Apple forced Mac users to switch over.)
Long:
FireWire (the name) was created by Apple to describe a hardware interface that they designed most of, based on the control protocol defined by the IEEE. Apple and many other companies own patents on what is currently called 'FireWire'.
USB was originated by Intel, with input from many other companies, including Microsoft. It was, however, POPULARLIZED by Apple with the original iMac. (USB ports had been included on PCs for a couple years before that, but USB peripherals were few and far between until Apple forced Mac users to switch over.)
Before you post links, you should read them.MisterMe said:
Why would anyone say primary if they invented 100% of it? Wouldn't you just say "FireWire was developed by Apple Computer in the 1990s"?
Why would other companies hold patents for a technology that Apple invented by themselves?
According to Michael Johas Teener's website:
link. The site lists many of the companies I listed above.
Maybe you are the one "spouting off". And take your own advice "you would do well to read some."
From Wikipedia*:epepper9 said:
*: I know I know, Wikipedia is not the end-all be-all resource, but it beats nothing.
Counterfit said:
And in this case it's incorrect.
Sony's more expensive DV/DVCAM decks and cameras featuring i.Link use 6-pin, not 4-pin, jacks.
Lethal
Apple has never made a 4 pin firewire, it came from Sony. Apple supports 6 pin (Firewire 400) and 9 pin (Firewire 800)
And in case anyone is curious...
Intel created USB 2.0 because of Apple's Firewire, since Apple wanted to charge a very small fee for the use of each plug. You may see that USB is rated at faster speeds than firewire 400, however many tests have proved that this is not the case...Firewire is faster.
By the way, apple did make firewire...
Intel created USB 2.0 because of Apple's Firewire, since Apple wanted to charge a very small fee for the use of each plug. You may see that USB is rated at faster speeds than firewire 400, however many tests have proved that this is not the case...Firewire is faster.
By the way, apple did make firewire...
http://developer.apple.com/devicedrivers/firewire/index.html
EricNau said:
Did I say Apple does have 4 pin FW products? And I don't know what the fixation w/Sony and the 4 pin is. Both the 6 and the 4 pin are part of the IEEE-1394 spec and there are tons of non-Sony, non-i.Link devices that only use 4 pins.
FireWire is basically Apple's version of IEEE-1394. Just as the iPod is Apple's version of an MP3 player. And following your logic that means that Apple invented the MP3 player. Apple has probably been the largest proponent of IEEE-1394-based technology, but giving them sole credit for said technology just isn't accurate. Macs embraced USB way before their PC counterparts, but we all know that Apple didn't invent USB.EricNau said:
And now you know the truth. You no longer have to assume.Xeem said:
Lethal