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Feb 21, 2013, 02:26 PM
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Major League Baseball has updated its MLB At Bat app (http://mlb.mlb.com/mobile/atbat/) for the 2013 baseball season, refining the app in several areas and adding multi-platform access for subscriptions purchased through the MLB At Bat's In-App Purchase mechanism. The app provides baseball fans with access to subscription-based live game radio and television broadcasts, MLB GameDay play-by-play service, and more.

There are several subscription levels depending on whether the user wants streaming television broadcasts, or just the radio broadcasts. The app itself, a universal app designed for both the iPhone and iPad, is a free download and offers free league-wide scoreboards and limited access to news and non-live video content from Major League Baseball.

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There are two main subscription packages (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/subscriptions/). The high-end $130/season MLB.tv Premium offers everything: live home-and-away television broadcasts for "out-of-market" games (that is, users can't watch their local team's television coverage) as well as live game home-and-away radio broadcasts, and the ability to watch on mobile devices, PC's, the Apple TV, and consoles. Users can also watch a growing number of archived classic games. MLB.tv Premium can be purchased through the MLB website (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/subscriptions/) or via in-app subscription for $25/month.

The cheaper At Bat 2013 product, which is available as an in-app purchase for $20/season or $3/month, offers both home-and-away radio broadcasts with no blackout restrictions.

New for this year, subscribers who purchase MLB.tv Premium or At Bat 2013 through IAP will get to access in-game audio or TV broadcasts not only on the iPhone and iPad, but on Android devices, as well as Macs and PCs and consoles (as applicable).

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MLB Advanced Media has promised more upgrades to the app before opening day at the beginning of April, and told MacRumors that the company is aware that customers would very much like to stream local games without blackout restrictions, but that the content deals to allow that are extremely complex and difficult to negotiate.

MLB At Bat is a free universal download (http://appshopper.com/sports/mlbcom-at-bat-2) from the App Store for iPhone and iPad. [Direct Link (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id493619333?mt=8)]

Article Link: MLB At Bat Updated for the 2013 Season, Local Game Video Still Blacked Out (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/21/mlb-at-bat-updated-for-the-2013-season-local-game-video-still-blacked-out/)



PantherCreek
Feb 21, 2013, 02:33 PM
I really wish that AtBat wouldn't black out local games. I've gotten rid of cable and still can't watch games from my local team as they're happening even if I pay their $130.00 subscription.

noiseordinance
Feb 21, 2013, 02:33 PM
What does this have to do with 10.8.3 being [hopefully] released today?

Diode
Feb 21, 2013, 02:36 PM
Dear MLB teams (as blackout restrictions aren't under jurisdiction by the MLB itself):

Please allow MLB at Bat to at least just stream the feed from your stupid local sports network created solely for your team.

Thanks,
Baseball fans everywhere

azentropy
Feb 21, 2013, 02:37 PM
I really wish that AtBat wouldn't black out local games. I've gotten rid of cable and still can't watch games from my local team as they're happening even if I pay their $130.00 subscription.

Yep, I won't purchase again until MLB can work out these restrictions.

Sky Blue
Feb 21, 2013, 02:42 PM
I really wish that AtBat wouldn't black out local games. I've gotten rid of cable and still can't watch games from my local team as they're happening even if I pay their $130.00 subscription.

That's why they're blacked out!

grapes911
Feb 21, 2013, 02:44 PM
I really wish that AtBat wouldn't black out local games. I've gotten rid of cable and still can't watch games from my local team as they're happening even if I pay their $130.00 subscription.

Networks pay a lot of money to exclusively carry games in local markets. It's not going to change any time soon.

racer1441
Feb 21, 2013, 02:45 PM
I love this. My local team sucks cow turds, so I can follow my Yankees from way out here!


Not a deal if you want to watch your local team, however.

oneMadRssn
Feb 21, 2013, 02:47 PM
This blackout nonsense has to end. It does nothing but hurt the consumers: the fans. I get that it's so that it's so mlb.tv doesn't compete with local cable companies, but it's still ridiculous. Let me put in my local cable company login information (like HBOgo does) and prove that I'm a subscriber to let me watch local games then. Or increase the price for unblacked out access.

Again, this restriction only hurts the real fans.

Roy Hobbs
Feb 21, 2013, 02:49 PM
Blackout restrictions won't be lifted until the current TV contracts expire.

But I believe the MLB and Yankees (at least for a part of the season) lifted the blackout restrictions in NY. But the Yankees own the local network so I'm sure that helped move things along with the trial.

IJ Reilly
Feb 21, 2013, 02:49 PM
Yep, I won't purchase again until MLB can work out these restrictions.

They probably can't. These rights are sold under exclusive contracts to cable providers and sports networks, and the providers aren't going to give up anything to MLB that they've already paid (big money) for. The dirty little secret of sports media is that today more than 50% of cable and satellite bills are the pass-through costs of sports team media contracts. You cannot buy them a la carte, or from any other source. This is done on purpose such that if you want to watch any local sports team you have to subscribe to cable or satellite and are forced to pay for all of the local teams.

This system is beyond broken, but it's probably impossible to fix.

azentropy
Feb 21, 2013, 02:51 PM
Networks pay a lot of money to exclusively carry games in local markets. It's not going to change any time soon.

They could very easily stream the local networks actual feed with commercials and all to those who in local markets. Problem solved.

Moyank24
Feb 21, 2013, 02:52 PM
That's why they're blacked out!

Exactly! There's a lot of money wrapped up in local cable deals - especially with baseball. We're talking about a 162 game season.

The Astros and Rockets here in Houston just created their own channel (with comcast), and they are playing hardball with the other providers. So, right now 70% of Houston can't even watch the Rockets on TV.

It's hard to see these blackouts going away any time soon. In any sport.

IJ Reilly
Feb 21, 2013, 02:53 PM
Blackout restrictions won't be lifted until the current TV contracts expire.

But I believe the MLB and Yankees (at least for a part of the season) lifted the blackout restrictions in NY. But the Yankees own the local network so I'm sure that helped move things along with the trial.

MLB has to compensate the teams for the loss of local media franchise value if they are going to force the blackout issue. If such an agreement has been struck anywhere I have not heard about it. The Dodgers just negotiated the richest media ever, and it did not include any games being streamed locally via MLB.com to my knowledge.

So, you're the Natural? Nice to meet you. ;)

azentropy
Feb 21, 2013, 02:53 PM
They probably can't. These rights are sold under exclusive contracts to cable providers and sports networks, and the providers aren't going to give up anything to MLB that they've already paid (big money) for. The dirty little secret of sports media is that today more than 50% of cable and satellite bills are the pass-through costs of sports team media contracts. You cannot buy them a la carte, or from any other source. This is done on purpose such that if you want to watch any local sports team you have to subscribe to cable or satellite and are forced to pay for all of the local teams.

This system is beyond broken, but it's probably impossible to fix.

They could link it to DirecTV or other accounts as some other services do, like HBO.

dmcwally
Feb 21, 2013, 02:53 PM
http://www.unblock-us.com works perfect :)

IJ Reilly
Feb 21, 2013, 02:55 PM
They could very easily stream the local networks actual feed with commercials and all to those who in local markets. Problem solved.

No, they can't. The value is in the customer charges. See my most above.

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They could link it to DirecTV or other accounts as some other services do, like HBO.

It isn't linked, it's sold. For big money.

PantherCreek
Feb 21, 2013, 02:58 PM
Yep, I won't purchase again until MLB can work out these restrictions.

That's why they're blacked out!

Networks pay a lot of money to exclusively carry games in local markets. It's not going to change any time soon.

I love this. My local team sucks cow turds, so I can follow my Yankees from way out here!


Not a deal if you want to watch your local team, however.

I guess becoming a fan of a non-local team is the easiest solution out there.

azentropy
Feb 21, 2013, 02:58 PM
No, they can't. The value is in the customer charges. See my most above.

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It isn't linked, it's sold. For big money.

I'm talking about for those who already do PAY for the service but happen to not be at home when wanting to watch a game.

JPark
Feb 21, 2013, 02:58 PM
Best app of all the major sports. Too bad it's baseball. :(

taxiapple
Feb 21, 2013, 03:00 PM
What does this have to do with 10.8.3 being [hopefully] released today?

Nothing

roboclint
Feb 21, 2013, 03:01 PM
This is one of my most used apps over the years and I (mostly) love it.

The blackout thing needs to be re-evaluated. For instance, I live in New Orleans, I'm from the Dallas area, so my favorite team is the Texas Rangers. But guess what? They're blacked out all the way down here because Fox Sports Southwest is carried on local cable. And most of the time they don't carry Rangers games, they carry Asstros games (FS Houston on Cox), who are also blacked out on MLB.TV, so I can't actually watch the Rangers "locally", I would have to get the DirectTV MLB package, and they may be blacked out there also. I could understand blackouts if they were more local. Like within 100 miles or so of the city/ballpark, but not 500+ miles away, it is ridiculous.

Moyank24
Feb 21, 2013, 03:01 PM
I guess becoming a fan of a non-local team is the easiest solution out there.

Yes!

I'm lucky. As a Yankees fan now living in Houston, I only face the problem when they play the Rangers. A jailbreak and location spoofer solve the problem on my phone, though.

msnyder7
Feb 21, 2013, 03:04 PM
This blackout nonsense has to end. It does nothing but hurt the consumers: the fans. I get that it's so that it's so mlb.tv doesn't compete with local cable companies, but it's still ridiculous. Let me put in my local cable company login information (like HBOgo does) and prove that I'm a subscriber to let me watch local games then. Or increase the price for unblacked out access.

Again, this restriction only hurts the real fans.

I will say though, listening to the audio while watching the Gameday isn't bad. I'm in Utah so I can't watch the Giants when they play Colorado or Arizona. They don't even show AZ games on local tv. But MLB At Bat is pretty good about putting highlight videos up quick. Sometimes by the next inning. If that doesn't work for you, get SlingBox!

Cuban Missles
Feb 21, 2013, 03:05 PM
When I first saw this article I was wondering why a game would be front page. Its not Apple hardware, OS, or Software. So why front page? However seeing all the responses I guess there are a lot of Apple fans that care about baseball. Who knew? Not me...

IJ Reilly
Feb 21, 2013, 03:07 PM
I'm talking about for those who already do PAY for the service but happen to not be at home when wanting to watch a game.

Not sure what you mean. Which service, cable or MLB.com? If you are home (assuming you follow the home team) then you can't watch the game on MLB.com. Ironically MLB.com is great for people who've moved but want to continue to follow their old home team. It's also good for people who travel a lot. But... it's probably never going to be much good for people who want to cut the cable and watch the home team in their homes. And this is by design.

roland.g
Feb 21, 2013, 03:10 PM
Blackouts really hamper the sales potential for apps and services like this, NHL Gamecenter Live, and NBA TV. And while NFL Sunday Ticket from DirecTV is provider specific as is the Verizon NFL app, they too suffer the same ridiculous archaic blackout syndrome.

Diode
Feb 21, 2013, 03:11 PM
When I first saw this article I was wondering why a game would be front page. Its not Apple hardware, OS, or Software. So why front page? However seeing all the responses I guess there are a lot of Apple fans that care about baseball. Who knew? Not me...

Surprise - people like things you don't like. :rolleyes:

paul3000
Feb 21, 2013, 03:13 PM
I just want to be able to buy a subscription to my team and watch them. Is this so hard for them to figure out. The same goes for Football, I don't want to watch them the day after, nor do I want to watch every game.

azentropy
Feb 21, 2013, 03:13 PM
Not sure what you mean. Which service, cable or MLB.com? If you are home (assuming you follow the home team) then you can't watch the game on MLB.com. Ironically MLB.com is great for people who've moved but want to continue to follow their old home team. It's also good for people who travel a lot. But... it's probably never going to be much good for people who want to cut the cable and watch the home team in their homes. And this is by design.

Both!

I pay for DirecTV with FSN, I pay for MLB.com and I still have local games blacked out. So if I'm not home but still in my "home" market, say I'm at my kids baseball practice, I can't watch the game on my iPhone or iPad etc because it is blacked out. That is silly.

whyamihere
Feb 21, 2013, 03:13 PM
The radio option seems rather pointless. Simply get a free radio streaming app like TuneIn Radio and listen to whichever station your favorite team's game is being broadcast on.

roland.g
Feb 21, 2013, 03:17 PM
Exactly! There's a lot of money wrapped up in local cable deals - especially with baseball. We're talking about a 162 game season.

The Astros and Rockets here in Houston just created their own channel (with comcast), and they are playing hardball with the other providers. So, right now 70% of Houston can't even watch the Rockets on TV.

It's hard to see these blackouts going away any time soon. In any sport.

This isn't new. Comcast does this all the time. Whenever a contract with another provider like Dish or DirecTV expires they try to gauge them in the re-up, usually forcing the contract talks to stall, then those subscribers go without, Comcast hopefully gets some defectors before the deal finally gets made. Same with new "Comcast" owned stations. They want to steal subscribers so they leverage that over the other providers during negotiations.

Can you imagine if Comcast owned ESPN. They'd never want to have anyone else get it, hoping to get all the satellite subscribers back!

mattwolfmatt
Feb 21, 2013, 03:17 PM
I am a huge baseball fan, and I was living in another city and faithfully plunked down the $150 or so a year to watch my team. Now that I moved back home to where my team is . . . I can't watch my team and MLB gets $0.

Thanks, MLB?

msnyder7
Feb 21, 2013, 03:18 PM
The radio option seems rather pointless. Simply get a free radio streaming app like TuneIn Radio and listen to whichever station your favorite team's game is being broadcast on.

Unfortunately, radio stations also get blacked out and require you to tune in with an actual radio or through MLB At Bat. You'll just get a broadcast of some random old content.

Mac21ND
Feb 21, 2013, 03:18 PM
Not buying until the blackout rules are changed. I live five hours from the "home" team I can't watch.:mad:

mattwolfmatt
Feb 21, 2013, 03:19 PM
The radio option seems rather pointless. Simply get a free radio streaming app like TuneIn Radio and listen to whichever station your favorite team's game is being broadcast on.

Won't work, MLB will black it out.

msnyder7
Feb 21, 2013, 03:21 PM
Both!

I pay for DirecTV with FSN, I pay for MLB.com and I still have local games blacked out. So if I'm not home but still in my "home" market, say I'm at my kids baseball practice, I can't watch the game on my iPhone or iPad etc because it is blacked out. That is silly.

Get SlingBox. Seriously, $200 and you can watch your entire DirecTV on your phone. Over 3G, 4G, or Wi-Fi.

yg17
Feb 21, 2013, 03:34 PM
Networks pay a lot of money to exclusively carry games in local markets. It's not going to change any time soon.

Here's the flaw in their argument - at least for blacking out local games on phones and tablets: No one chooses to watch a baseball game on their 4" phone screen versus a big TV in all of it's high definition glory. I don't want to be able to watch Cardinals games on my phone while in the STL area so I can dump cable and never watch it on TV again, I want to watch games on my phone for the times when I'm unable to watch them on TV.

Of course I'm going to watch games on TV when I can, but I can't be in front of a TV for all 162 games. On day games, it would be nice to be able to have the game going on my phone while I'm at work. Even though I can see Busch Stadium from my office, I can't see the action inside the stadium ;)

Perhaps there's a valid argument for blacking out games on Apple TV/Roku/etc and computers, because then people really wouldn't watch it on cable or satellite. But it seems like showing the commercials during breaks instead of the "Be back soon...." screen would solve that problem. Why the hell should networks care where the advertising dollars are coming in from as long as they're coming in? Besides, if the commercials are streamed nationally, the networks might attract bigger, national advertisers who I'm sure pay more money for a 30 second spot than sleazeballs like Ray Vinson (any Cardinals fans who watch FSMW know what I'm talking about).

Patriot24
Feb 21, 2013, 03:38 PM
Dear MLB teams (as blackout restrictions aren't under jurisdiction by the MLB itself):

Please allow MLB at Bat to at least just stream the feed from your stupid local sports network created solely for your team.

Thanks,
Baseball fans everywhere

Unfortunately, it is not that simple. There are many parties involved between the action on the field and the consumer at home on the couch. The current deals would all need to expire and/or be renegotiated with the following parties at the table (who, by the way, largely have no interest in giving up their exclusivity pacts):


Owners
Players Association
MLB Advanced Media
Local Channels
Regional Channels
National Channels
Advertisers
Cable Operators
Satellite Operators


It is the same situation as some YouTube videos that are blacked-out from being played on mobile devices. Until they can figure out how to monetize those feeds, they are not going to provide it in the hopes that you will filter to the channels that they are making money on. I'm not agreeing with the model, but that's the reality. They have little incentive to change. Money is the only way.

ndpitch
Feb 21, 2013, 03:40 PM
Ugh. I would gladly pay perhaps $200 a season if it meant I could watch my local games live. Otherwise this service is pretty useless. It defeats the purpose of the app. Sure, when I'm at home, maybe I'll watch the game on TV. But if I'm out in the yard, or at a store, or waiting in line somewhere, or at a bar where they don't have the game on, I'm paying all this money so I can see my own team play.

This is similar to the whole XM/Sirius fiasco. They're the same company, yet only XM radios get the MLB channels. And of course, I have a Sirius radio in my car and can't listen to any games.

Really annoying.

DS79
Feb 21, 2013, 03:41 PM
Can you watch the away-team coverage of home games? At least you'd still get to see the game, even with the other team's announcers.

Cuban Missles
Feb 21, 2013, 03:41 PM
Surprise - people like things you don't like. :rolleyes:

:confused: No, Baseball is a major sport in Cuba as it is in the USA. I love baseball. My point was my surprise that on a website dedicated to Apple hardware/OS/Software, we would go off on a baseball tangent. That was all. :p

Patriot24
Feb 21, 2013, 03:44 PM
Can you watch the away-team coverage of home games? At least you'd still get to see the game, even with the other team's announcers.

Nope. If your local market team is playing, the game is blacked-out whether home or away. The only exception may be if the game is not being televised in your local market, but in baseball that is an extremely rare occurrence. Certainly not worth $150/season.

Plutonius
Feb 21, 2013, 03:48 PM
The radio option seems rather pointless. Simply get a free radio streaming app like TuneIn Radio and listen to whichever station your favorite team's game is being broadcast on.

Doesn't work. The games are blacked out from all internet radio (tunein, etc). I got it in order to get the radio broadcast but I wasn't happy about the price increase to $19.99.

The Red Sox better beat the Yankees in every game this season :D.

jcb10
Feb 21, 2013, 03:54 PM
I'm glad they finally let us stream audio over a Mac/PC as well if you bought the audio via IAP. I didn't want to buy both a phone and computer audio subscription, and my doesn't have wi-fi that my phone is allowed to access.

SeaFox
Feb 21, 2013, 03:55 PM
Dear MLB teams (as blackout restrictions aren't under jurisdiction by the MLB itself):

Please allow MLB at Bat to at least just stream the feed from your stupid local sports network created solely for your team.

Thanks,
Baseball fans everywhere

Note: Lots of times there is no local network carrying the feed. The Blackouts are also set locally in relation to game attendance. They will black out all local feeds of a game specifically to force people to come to the stadium to watch the game. And sometimes they black-out the feed if attendance is low to avoid showing all the empty stands on the air if the game is that low in interest.

ckelley
Feb 21, 2013, 04:05 PM
And sometimes they black-out the feed if attendance is low to avoid showing all the empty stands on the air if the game is that low in interest.
The only team I've noticed do that is the Padres (and oddly, the Chargers as well). If that was the case for all teams, the Pittsburgh Pirates wouldn't broadcast more than 60% of their games. :p

(Not hating the Buccos, as a former Pittsburgh resident I like the Pirates and loved heading to the games, I'm just a Cardinals fan first.)

hushypushy
Feb 21, 2013, 04:05 PM
Man, I just can't wait for a la carte TV programming to arrive. Give me Speed and CSNBA so I can watch motorsports and baseball, and **** all the other worthless stations.

Luckily, my current living situation involves a cable TV addict, so I get to see every Giants game anyway. For me, the app is just a nice, <$1-a-day way to see what's going on in the rest of the league :cool:


CSB: Last year I traveled a lot for work and MLB.tv proved invaluable. I watched Matt Cain throw the perfect game from a hotel on the east coast!

Bill Killer
Feb 21, 2013, 04:50 PM
Note: Lots of times there is no local network carrying the feed. The Blackouts are also set locally in relation to game attendance. They will black out all local feeds of a game specifically to force people to come to the stadium to watch the game. And sometimes they black-out the feed if attendance is low to avoid showing all the empty stands on the air if the game is that low in interest.

This is true for football, not baseball.

SHirsch999
Feb 21, 2013, 05:02 PM
The Red Sox better beat the Yankees in every game this season :D.

If they do, those will be the only games the Sox win this year. :p

iHamish
Feb 21, 2013, 05:07 PM
I'm located half-way between San Francisco and Los Angeles, and I'm in the blackout area for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and the Los Angeles Dodgers of Los Angeles. :rolleyes: This means I can't watch Oakland A's games when they are playing either of the LA area teams. Yes, I bleed green and gold. It's an affliction I've suffered from for many years and there's no cure for it. ;)

The blackout rules are very strange in a couple of places. The state of Iowa is in the blackout areas of the Cubs, White Sox, Brewers, Twins, Cardinals, and Royals. Southern Nevada (think Las Vegas) is in the blackout areas of the Athletics, Giants, Angels, Dodgers, Padres, and Diamondbacks.

robogobo
Feb 21, 2013, 05:23 PM
This is the best $125 I spend every year as it lets me watch baseball while I'm currently living abroad (without blackouts of course). I just wish they'd give me a few days notice before charging the subscription renewal to make sure I have enough in my US account. That's quite a surprise bill.

TouchMint.com
Feb 21, 2013, 05:30 PM
This is the best $125 I spend every year as it lets me watch baseball while I'm currently living abroad (without blackouts of course). I just wish they'd give me a few days notice before charging the subscription renewal to make sure I have enough in my US account. That's quite a surprise bill.



For real the best money spent!

I dont subscribe to cable so this is my entertainment for the summer. This will be my 3rd year getting it.

JuanValdezz
Feb 21, 2013, 05:33 PM
New for this year, subscribers who purchase MLB.tv Premium or At Bat 2013 through IAP will get to access in-game audio or TV broadcasts not only on the iPhone and iPad, but on Android devices, as well as Macs and PCs and consoles (as applicable).

quietstormSD
Feb 21, 2013, 05:36 PM
$20 is way to expensive for an app upgrade that you have to pay for yearly.

Price should be $10

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New for this year, subscribers who purchase MLB.tv Premium or At Bat 2013 through IAP will get to access in-game audio or TV broadcasts not only on the iPhone and iPad, but on Android devices, as well as Macs and PCs and consoles (as applicable).

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Belisarius
Feb 21, 2013, 05:36 PM
Here's the thing with regards to MLB's blackout policy: until selling $130 subscriptions is worth more than the TV rights teams sell, the blackouts aren't going anywhere. The simple fact of the matter is that advertisers outbid fans by an order of magnitude, and teams are always going to follow the money.

japanime
Feb 21, 2013, 06:02 PM
I like the fact that they've finally added the ability to listen to the radio broadcasts on a PC as well as the iOS device.

But, I still don't see any info on the MLB website as to whether radio broadcast archives will be made available through the app. I don't want to get up at 2 a.m. here in Japan to listen to day games on the East Coast. I'd prefer to listen to the games on my own schedule. And it makes no sense that radio archives haven't been available in past seasons, because the app has provided archives of the video broadcasts.

SeaFox
Feb 21, 2013, 06:06 PM
This is true for football, not baseball.

Maybe not where you are. But ten years working in the cable industry says yes, baseball does do it too. And there's at least one other person here who's aware of it happening.

IJ Reilly
Feb 21, 2013, 06:14 PM
Both!

I pay for DirecTV with FSN, I pay for MLB.com and I still have local games blacked out. So if I'm not home but still in my "home" market, say I'm at my kids baseball practice, I can't watch the game on my iPhone or iPad etc because it is blacked out. That is silly.

Sure, because MLB.com has no way of knowing that you also pay for satellite.

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Here's the thing with regards to MLB's blackout policy: until selling $130 subscriptions is worth more than the TV rights teams sell, the blackouts aren't going anywhere. The simple fact of the matter is that advertisers outbid fans by an order of magnitude, and teams are always going to follow the money.

Not the advertisers but the sports networks, because they can pass along the costs of the huge sports media contracts directly to subscribers. Advertising revenue is the gravy.

bheimsoth
Feb 21, 2013, 06:16 PM
If Apple wants to get into the TV market, they should negotiate/buy the rights for live sports. That is keeping a lot of people from cutting the cord. They have $39 billion in cash!! The last NFL Sunday ticket contract with DirecTv was for $700 million and will expire in 2014. I imagine it will go for $1 billion then but would be worth it. MLB would probably be less than that. I don't understand the what the whole local market blackout thing does. Hell, give the local stations the advertising proceeds. Use that cash, Apple!!

Moyank24
Feb 21, 2013, 06:18 PM
This is the best $125 I spend every year as it lets me watch baseball while I'm currently living abroad (without blackouts of course). I just wish they'd give me a few days notice before charging the subscription renewal to make sure I have enough in my US account. That's quite a surprise bill.

Ironically, I just got the receipt e-mailed to me about the $124.99 charge. Apparently it auto renews a few days before the ST games start.

Before smart phones, and when I lived in NY, I used to purchase the MLB Extra innings package. The ability to watch baseball all night was worth the $$. Now living in Houston, the option to watch the Yankees and any other game I want is worth every penny. For all that you get (annoying blackouts aside), $125 is a great deal.

sfmman2000
Feb 21, 2013, 06:23 PM
HOW TO GET AROUND THE BLACKOUT

1. Jailbreak iPhone/iPad/iPad

2. In Cydia, download a location spoofer, such as "LocationHolic."

3. Open the location spoofer, choose MLB At Bat as an app you want to take a fake location, and set that location to a far away place.

Belmont31R
Feb 21, 2013, 06:25 PM
These sports packages are scams. Why would I pay $100+ for a service that means I rarely get to see local teams play (by local I mean 3-4hrs away!)? I guess it works out if your team of choice is far away but this has to be the worst idea in TV history to make it so local fans don't get to watch local teams play.


I do pay for NHL services, and I get blacked out there even when the game is not broadcast locally. I wouldn't mind it so much if they only blacked out games that were being broadcast but they don't. Maybe 1 in 3 games are broadcast but they black out 100% of them on the pay services.

Plutonius
Feb 21, 2013, 06:31 PM
Ironically, I just got the receipt e-mailed to me about the $124.99 charge. Apparently it auto renews a few days before the ST games start.

Before smart phones, and when I lived in NY, I used to purchase the MLB Extra innings package. The ability to watch baseball all night was worth the $$. Now living in Houston, the option to watch the Yankees and any other game I want is worth every penny. For all that you get (annoying blackouts aside), $125 is a great deal.

It's even a better deal if you don't watch the Yankees :D.

Moyank24
Feb 21, 2013, 06:35 PM
These sports packages are scams. Why would I pay $100+ for a service that means I rarely get to see local teams play (by local I mean 3-4hrs away!)? I guess it works out if your team of choice is far away but this has to be the worst idea in TV history to make it so local fans don't get to watch local teams play.


I do pay for NHL services, and I get blacked out there even when the game is not broadcast locally. I wouldn't mind it so much if they only blacked out games that were being broadcast but they don't. Maybe 1 in 3 games are broadcast but they black out 100% of them on the pay services.

Back in the day, the selling point for the MLB Extra Innings package was two fold: a) watch your favorite team if you don't live in your "home" market and b) follow your fantasy players.

I'm a huge baseball fan, so I'm probably a bit biased, but $125 to watch every game (again, not including blackouts), every day on your phone/pc/ATV. To me, that's a bargain. I'm also that person that will watch any game that's on (assuming the Yankees game is over).

I understand people that want to cut costs and cut cable are getting screwed over - but are you surprised that these cable companies don't want to make it easier for people to do that?

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It's even a better deal if you don't watch the Yankees :D.

It's been a LONG offseason, buddy. But the time is almost here for us to be enemies once again! :eek: :D

Go Yanks!

xforce11
Feb 21, 2013, 07:07 PM
Love the app. I have Gameday Audio really affordable and get to use the app. I would love MLB TV but the cost is just not affordable for a season. Plus I'm in the Limbo area. My Nationals games get blacked out (even free) because I'm local (in North Carolina) but my cable provider does not carry MASN who show Nats games. Then I couldn't watch them on MLB either. This is no fun!

Belmont31R
Feb 21, 2013, 07:12 PM
Back in the day, the selling point for the MLB Extra Innings package was two fold: a) watch your favorite team if you don't live in your "home" market and b) follow your fantasy players.

I'm a huge baseball fan, so I'm probably a bit biased, but $125 to watch every game (again, not including blackouts), every day on your phone/pc/ATV. To me, that's a bargain. I'm also that person that will watch any game that's on (assuming the Yankees game is over).

I understand people that want to cut costs and cut cable are getting screwed over - but are you surprised that these cable companies don't want to make it easier for people to do that?[COLOR="#808080"]

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Oh I watch a lot of games...I just think its a bit of scam that it ends up being so hard to watch local teams. I would pay more to get them...but its not even an option.

I live in Austin, and FS-SW plays Astros games and rarely Rangers games. If I were to get the MLB service I wouldn't even be able to watch Rangers games due to my location even though they aren't even the team FS runs here.

I don't mind paying for access but I just feel like its a crappy thing to do to local fans.

Moyank24
Feb 21, 2013, 07:16 PM
Oh I watch a lot of games...I just think its a bit of scam that it ends up being so hard to watch local teams. I would pay more to get them...but its not even an option.

I live in Austin, and FS-SW plays Astros games and rarely Rangers games. If I were to get the MLB service I wouldn't even be able to watch Rangers games due to my location even though they aren't even the team FS runs here.

I don't mind paying for access but I just feel like its a crappy thing to do to local fans.

I get it. I live in Houston, and the Rangers games are blacked out. I only care when the Yanks are playing them, but it stinks because the Rangers are rarely on the air here.

When the season starts, I'll just jailbreak so I don't have that issue. But, yeah, i can see how annoying it is.

Bill Killer
Feb 21, 2013, 07:31 PM
Maybe not where you are. But ten years working in the cable industry says yes, baseball does do it too. And there's at least one other person here who's aware of it happening.

On a regional level, though? I know that all games, sellout or not, of the Rangers are blacked out in OKC on anything other than FSSW.

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Also, Yankees suck.

Mahler12x
Feb 21, 2013, 07:40 PM
HOW TO GET AROUND THE BLACKOUT

1. Jailbreak iPhone/iPad/iPad

2. In Cydia, download a location spoofer, such as "LocationHolic."

3. Open the location spoofer, choose MLB At Bat as an app you want to take a fake location, and set that location to a far away place.

I used this last year and it worked great. I've got an Apple TV this year and can confirm Airplay works great with the app.

My question is, I've read where Airplay won't work with live streaming games, only archived and highlights etc. Is this true?

IJ Reilly
Feb 21, 2013, 07:58 PM
On a regional level, though? I know that all games, sellout or not, of the Rangers are blacked out in OKC on anything other than FSSW.

The ticket selling contingency doesn't make much sense, since it's the owner of the broadcast rights that decides, not the team, and the broadcast rights owner doesn't have much if any incentive to release a local media market blackout for games. They pay a lot of money to the teams for the exclusive broadcast rights, so why would they?

Frobozz
Feb 21, 2013, 08:01 PM
I've been a subscriber to MLB.tv Premium for 4 or 5 years now, and was an MLB Gameday Audio subscriber for about that many before that. MLB is on the cutting edge of location-anywhere live streaming. It's a great product. The only obvious downfall is beyond their immediate control-- no local games. That point alone makes it a worthless product to the vast majority of consumers. It's fairly moronic, given the price tag. I just happen to be an out of market consumer, so it's always been an option for me.

convergent
Feb 21, 2013, 08:30 PM
The blackout rules have nothing to do with the app... so people need to stop equating them as the same. This is one of the greats apps... a game changer... no pun intended. I'm subscribing for the 4th year in a row now and love this thing. It gets better and better and to me, this is what the future of television should and could be. Bypass the cable companies entirely and subscribe to content providers directly, with a dedicated app to give you on demand access to all the included content.

I subscribed to one season of the alternative - Time Warner's MLB Extra Innings, and it was horrible... the quality was bad, the content was limited, and it was twice the price. And on top of that, Time Warner blocked my ability to even record the games on my Tivo and watch them later. MLB.tv blows that out of the water.

Since I live out of the market of my favorite team, I would have no way to get most of the games were it not for MLB.tv.

tominco
Feb 21, 2013, 08:48 PM
"New for this year, subscribers who purchase MLB.tv Premium or At Bat 2013 through IAP will get to access in-game audio or TV broadcasts not only on the iPhone and iPad, but on Android devices, as well as Macs and PCs and consoles (as applicable)."


It seems to me this is the way it worked the last several years. I've had MLB.tv Premium since they announced it for AppleTV. I've watched (or listened) on my AppleTV, iPod, iPad, Roku, Mac, Windows, and Android phone with no problems (ok, ignore the windows and Android... they are problems of their own. :)


As for the blackout restrictions. What I really hate is Saturday afternoons. I'm a Cardinal fan in Colorado, and would prefer to watch the Redbirds play, rather than get the Rockies, Dodgers, Giants, and Angels games they typically feed to this area. Then Yankees/Red Sox games are a pain too.

scotty588
Feb 21, 2013, 08:50 PM
+1 for "LocationHolic" GPS faker for jailbroken iOS devices. Works perfectly to avoid blackouts.

As someone else said unblock-us.com I've heard works as well. Costs $5 / month though. Works by using their DNS servers, which create a reverse proxy to a different location.

Tinmania
Feb 21, 2013, 09:12 PM
Yes!

I'm lucky. As a Yankees fan now living in Houston, I only face the problem when they play the Rangers. A jailbreak and location spoofer solve the problem on my phone, though.

Same thing here, in Arizona. When inter-league play causes the Yanks to play the Diamondbacks my iPhone/iPad thinks I am in some gawd-forsaken place in Wyoming. (I would appreciate not being reminded of 2001.)




Michael

bushman4
Feb 21, 2013, 09:12 PM
Why buy the APP? If I can watch local game video on my Iphone via Wi-Fi with a cable APP why won't MLB allow us to watch over their APP??? Just another way to get funds from the cable compaies

TyPod
Feb 21, 2013, 09:16 PM
Still just so expensive for the premium edition. Bummer!

azentropy
Feb 21, 2013, 10:15 PM
Sure, because MLB.com has no way of knowing that you also pay for satellite.

Which is why I suggested they do what HBO and other similar services do by having you log on with your directv or cable account.

Lara F
Feb 21, 2013, 10:58 PM
The blackout rules are very strange in a couple of places. The state of Iowa is in the blackout areas of the Cubs, White Sox, Brewers, Twins, Cardinals, and Royals. Southern Nevada (think Las Vegas) is in the blackout areas of the Athletics, Giants, Angels, Dodgers, Padres, and Diamondbacks.

In Philadelphia Comcast would block me out of not only the Phillies but the Pirates and Nationals. :rolleyes: At least this time I only have the Blue Jays to worry about as I'm in Canada (though not Toronto which makes it about as silly...)

AnthonyFromCali
Feb 21, 2013, 11:12 PM
There aren't any blackouts in Mexico...Thanks location spoofer app ;)

IJ Reilly
Feb 22, 2013, 12:45 AM
Which is why I suggested they do what HBO and other similar services do by having you log on with your directv or cable account.

TWC and I belive Comcast have iPad apps for streaming live TV. Even though they are linked to your IP, and so can only be used in the home of a subscriber, few of the cable networks seems to be willing to provide their content this way. And any time their programming is used in another way, they expect more money. This industry is fossilized, but until their scheme for making money begins to seriously falter, they will keep to their model. Unfortunately the way sports media works only makes the situation worse.

jimsz
Feb 22, 2013, 05:56 AM
The most ridiculous part of MLB is that I have TRIED to buy their package for the last 3 years.

There is 1 Major league team 100 miles away (in another country) , 2 more 200 miles away, 3 more 500 miles away.

I can't watch any of their home games. None. Blacked out. 6 teams. My city has no major league team, no major league team that plays on local TV (1 is on cable) and I am blacked out of 6 home teams who's average distance is over 300 miles away.

amberashby
Feb 22, 2013, 06:40 AM
So....only if you subscribe via in app purchase do you get the audio/video on your mac as well as your other devices? Seems strange. I was a premium subscriber last year and my subscription is set to auto renew (today I think). Will I get less features than someone who subscribes via in app purchase?

BornAgainMac
Feb 22, 2013, 08:17 AM
Solution: "I live in the middle of nowhere." Blackout for local games lifted.
Does it use a Zip code or GPS to determine where you really are at? Maybe that could be faked.

Moyank24
Feb 22, 2013, 08:30 AM
So....only if you subscribe via in app purchase do you get the audio/video on your mac as well as your other devices? Seems strange. I was a premium subscriber last year and my subscription is set to auto renew (today I think). Will I get less features than someone who subscribes via in app purchase?

My account auto-renewed yesterday. I'm almost positive (and I tried to read through everything) that we will get all of the premium features.

Solution: "I live in the middle of nowhere." Blackout for local games lifted.
Does it use a Zip code or GPS to determine where you really are at? Maybe that could be faked.

You would need a location spoofer - if you're on an iPhone, you would have to jailbreak.

doctorossi
Feb 22, 2013, 09:18 AM
Hmm... $15 for the radio season, last year, was right on the line for me. At $20, this year, I think I'm gonna pass. :(

IJ Reilly
Feb 22, 2013, 10:08 AM
Solution: "I live in the middle of nowhere." Blackout for local games lifted.
Does it use a Zip code or GPS to determine where you really are at? Maybe that could be faked.

IP address, apparently. An imperfect method at best, and a lock that can be picked with enough technical knowhow. Yet another tax on honesty, sadly.

darthraige
Feb 22, 2013, 11:57 AM
Thank you location spoofer. :D

DaveNinja
Feb 22, 2013, 01:39 PM
last year i used the location spoofer and ended up fooling myself, thinking it was going to be raining all week, because my weather app picked up my fake England location

sfmman2000
Feb 22, 2013, 10:57 PM
On portable Apple devices, MLB uses GPS location to check blackout zones, so a location spoofer is helpful.

On MLB.tv for your computer, it uses your IP address, so something like Tor combined with FoxyProxy is helpful.

zioxide
Feb 22, 2013, 11:12 PM
This app is completely useless as long as they continue to black out your home market. What's the point of having an app to watch baseball on your iPad if you cant watch your favorite team?

jozeppy26
Feb 23, 2013, 12:05 AM
To those who say unlocking the iPhone isn't necessary anymore... have fun while I watch my Cardinals in St. Louis on my iPhone.

davideotape
Feb 23, 2013, 11:31 AM
Which is why I suggested they do what HBO and other similar services do by having you log on with your directv or cable account.

would love to see this feature on mlb.tv by the end of the year.

Billy Boo Bob
Feb 23, 2013, 11:58 AM
Hey Apple: How about updating the AppleTV also so we can watch spring training games?

Westside guy
Feb 23, 2013, 03:05 PM
They could very easily stream the local networks actual feed with commercials and all to those who in local markets. Problem solved.

I agree with your sentiment, but it's worth noting that it's not just local games that are blacked out. Fox has an exclusivity window (fortunately recently expired, or soon to expire) where no other games are allowed to be televised or streamed at all if they occur during Fox's featured Saturday game window. TBS has exclusive rights to some Braves' games, so you can't watch them from anywhere in the US. Etc. etc.

I do wish MLB would do as you propose - which, incidentally, is basically what they already do on the radio side. And, not so incidentally, this is why I will only buy the audio subscription from MLB.com - and it still comes with AtBat. I made the mistake of buying the video subscription once, but it will never happen again until they change these arcane blackout policies.

Westside guy
Feb 23, 2013, 04:35 PM
I used this last year and it worked great. I've got an Apple TV this year and can confirm Airplay works great with the app

Just so I'm clear - are you saying you AirPlay the games from your iPad / iPhone? That would be cool if it works...

I wonder if that app is available on jail broken Apple TVs? Not that it'd help me right now since I have an ATV 3...

oldhifi
Feb 23, 2013, 05:08 PM
Too much for blacked out games, some of the Braves games were blocked in CO last year, and I live in TN.

STLCardsfan
Feb 25, 2013, 12:04 PM
I live in the Dallas area, so watching the Cardinals is usually pain free, except when they have an afternoon game on Saturdays. FOX owns the broadcast rights to all games until the evening timeslots (I think that's around 6pmCT or so).

So, if your local FOX channel broadcasts a different game(s) in the afternoon, you are still blacked out from watching any other game (other than local team) that starts before the evening. FOX usually broadcasts an early and a late afternoon game - but our local channel only picks up the late game and puts 'Paid Program' advertising in the early slot. I guess Josh Hamilton's comment about this area not being a baseball town isn't as off base as local protestors make it. :rolleyes:

It would be nice if they lifted that restriction since there is no way in %$& you can do anything about that kind of blackout. If your local FOX channel isn't showing that game, you should not have to suffer the blackout restriction.

AMRivlin
Feb 26, 2013, 04:06 PM
Dear Bob Bowman (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=227995&privcapId=7009235&previousCapId=323596&previousTitle=Warnaco%20Group%20Inc.);

I have subscribed to MLB.TV (full season video streaming) since 2004. (I think it launched in 2003.) Your app and quality of broadcast offering is best in class, having improved annually. On the flipside your service contracts using 1988 league marketing and broadcast rights are piss poor and you know it.

If WatchESPN, CNN, HBOGO, HULU, and the Superbowl can air on phones/tvs/internet, by checking subscription status, so can MLB. I pay for a traditional cabletv package that covers the Blue Jays. Why should us fans be penalized? We won't.

I live in Vancouver, BC and can watch the Mariners 2 hours away with no blackouts, yet Toronto is blacked out because I live in Canada? Until you fix this pre1988 system, I will enjoy using a location spoof on all my devices.

Side Note: I am happy to read that FOX Saturday will no longer be blacked out nationally beginning in 2014. BUT you are still blacking out locally? Come on!

Lastly, I am happy with the 100-130 range and will continue to pay it. For those who who think your pricing is too steep, consider splitting it with your wife, or 10 friends :)

Sincerely,

MLB Super Fan

jozeppy26
Mar 1, 2013, 05:20 PM
I think the MLB.tv is reasonable, it's the hike in gameday audio I find pretty ridiculous.

oldhifi
Mar 4, 2013, 09:45 AM
I tried to watch a REPLAY of a Braves game last night and it was blacked out..:mad:

CoachThompsonBR
Mar 9, 2014, 11:01 AM
Thank you location spoofer. :D

What location spoofer did you use? Also does MLB at Bat pull up the entire game on your iPad/iphone ?

darthraige
Mar 17, 2014, 03:15 PM
What location spoofer did you use? Also does MLB at Bat pull up the entire game on your iPad/iphone ?

LocationFaker