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MacRumors
Feb 26, 2013, 07:21 PM
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Critically acclaimed strategy game "XCOM: Enemy Unknown" is headed to the Mac in a few months, Feral Interactive (http://www.feralinteractive.com/en/) announced (http://www.feralinteractive.com/en/news/360/) today. The popular strategy game is coming in a special "Elite Edition", which includes previously released add-on content.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/02/xcomenemyunknown.jpgThe Mac release of "XCOM:*Enemy Unknown"*is the "Elite Edition", and contains all previously released add-on content and updates. "XCOM: Enemy Unknown - Elite Edition" includes the Slingshot and Elite Soldier Pack add-on content, as well as the Second Wave update, which includes a series of gameplay modifiers that add further depth and flexibility to the campaign.XCOM: Enemy Unknown, a re-imagining of 1994's classic strategy game "X-COM: UFO Defense", was developed by Firaxis (http://www.firaxis.com/) and published by 2K Games (http://www.2kgames.com/#/) for PC and consoles.

In the game, players lead secret government organization XCOM to defend the world against aliens. Players oversee base management in addition to combat strategies while maintaining relationships with countries to fund their organization and save the world.

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Although there are no pricing, system requirements or multiplayer details at the moment, Feral says that they will be revealed as the release date draws closer.

Article Link: Strategy Game 'XCOM: Enemy Unknown' Coming to Mac This Spring (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/26/strategy-game-xcom-enemy-unknown-coming-to-mac-this-spring/)



Christian 5G
Feb 26, 2013, 07:29 PM
Still doesnt support what windows does....

Rocketpilot
Feb 26, 2013, 07:38 PM
I'm probably going to buy this again like a sucker, because I bought the Windows version on Steam to run in Basecamp and it's NEVER been able to run for more than 4 or 5 minutes without hard crashing the entire computer.

Apparently you can "patch your bios" to correct this. ARG.

Codyak
Feb 26, 2013, 07:45 PM
This was a great game, it was even better the second time at 2880x1800.

Still doesnt support what windows does....

Most higher end games likes this use DirectX initially so it's really not that surprising.

OtherJesus
Feb 26, 2013, 07:57 PM
Love this game on my Xbox. This is one of the few games that world be PERFECT on the iPad.

If they did that... Awesome!!!

slapple
Feb 26, 2013, 09:01 PM
Still doesnt support what windows does....

What does the Windows version support that the Mac version won't?

I'm probably going to buy this again like a sucker, because I bought the Windows version on Steam to run in Basecamp and it's NEVER been able to run for more than 4 or 5 minutes without hard crashing the entire computer.

Apparently you can "patch your bios" to correct this. ARG.

You said "Basecamp" - did you mean Bootcamp or something else? I have XCOM EU for the PC but haven't gotten around to installing it yet. I didn't know Macs let you patch the BIOS (didn't even know they had a BIOS).

Signal-11
Feb 26, 2013, 09:12 PM
Not on Steam? Not interested.

Frobozz
Feb 26, 2013, 09:46 PM
STELLAR game. I was a big fan of the original on the Amiga, and this is a great edition / addition to the franchise. There are aspects of the gameplay that are simplified, but it's nearly all there.

NMF
Feb 26, 2013, 10:02 PM
Not on Steam? Not interested.

Seriously. Why couldn't they have gotten Aspyr?

Ugh. I hate Feral so much.

Eric5h5
Feb 26, 2013, 10:14 PM
What does the Windows version support that the Mac version won't?

Nothing, that was just a useless troll post that did nothing but state the obvious. (Windows still has a much larger install base, of course it has more games, duh.)

--Eric

SupadudeX
Feb 26, 2013, 10:15 PM
I'm probably going to buy this again like a sucker, because I bought the Windows version on Steam to run in Basecamp and it's NEVER been able to run for more than 4 or 5 minutes without hard crashing the entire computer.

Apparently you can "patch your bios" to correct this. ARG.

Runs just fine in my bootcamp partition.

Byron425
Feb 26, 2013, 10:30 PM
I'm probably going to buy this again like a sucker, because I bought the Windows version on Steam to run in Basecamp and it's NEVER been able to run for more than 4 or 5 minutes without hard crashing the entire computer.

Apparently you can "patch your bios" to correct this. ARG.

I got it to work great on Bootcamp. I'm on a 2012 iMac. I'm running Steam on Windows 7. I even found a guide to help me install Bootcamp on my 3TB HD, without having to partition my drive three ways:

http://dice.neko-san.net/2012/12/how-to-install-boot-camp-on-a-3tb-fusion-drive-mac/

Went through all that trouble, and now it's going to be available directly for Mac, lol! Figures ;)

Oh we'll... I'm not complaining.

Cougarcat
Feb 26, 2013, 11:02 PM
Seriously. Why couldn't they have gotten Aspyr?

Ugh. I hate Feral so much.

Feral's ports are better than Aspyr's, so as long as this still has Mac/PC multiplayer, I'm happy.

Anyway, I think we'll see Feral games on Steam before too long, since Valve's terms changed (and they are on Origin.)

coolspot18
Feb 26, 2013, 11:38 PM
I'm probably going to buy this again like a sucker, because I bought the Windows version on Steam to run in Basecamp and it's NEVER been able to run for more than 4 or 5 minutes without hard crashing the entire computer.

Apparently you can "patch your bios" to correct this. ARG.

Ran fine on my iMac, 2011.



But it's too little too late ... I wonder how much are actually going to purchase the Mac port.

petsounds
Feb 26, 2013, 11:40 PM
Not on Steam? Not interested.

Hmm, why does not being on Steam make you not interested? I mean, I use Steam, but it's really just a convenience.

Signal-11
Feb 27, 2013, 12:11 AM
Hmm, why does not being on Steam make you not interested? I mean, I use Steam, but it's really just a convenience.

Convenience and idiot-proofness.

I have games on Steam that I bought OVER ten years ago, before Steam was even a thing. I can download those to any computer that I own or have access to and play any time I want. I don't have to worry about keeping copies in case the company goes out of business or they decide to no longer maintain their content servers. I don't have to worry about keeping activation keys, etc.

With Steam, I can install a game, play it for three days, delete the game when I need the space two weeks later, then eight months later, when I have a hankering to play some video games (on a new machine no less), I can load up my Steam library and play that game.

If this were on the Mac App store, I would consider it but I pretty much don't deal with games that aren't on Steam.

TheJae
Feb 27, 2013, 12:34 AM
A real good game, just got it for PC. I hope they make an ipad port.

NMF
Feb 27, 2013, 12:36 AM
Steam is simply the trusted standard. Weird Mac-only port shops? Not the trusted standard. Thus the gravitation toward Steam.

Also Stream is where everyone's 200+ game library is and where everyone's friends are.

petsounds
Feb 27, 2013, 12:38 AM
Convenience and idiot-proofness.

I have games on Steam that I bought OVER ten years ago, before Steam was even a thing. I can download those to any computer that I own or have access to and play any time I want. I don't have to worry about keeping copies in case the company goes out of business or they decide to no longer maintain their content servers. I don't have to worry about keeping activation keys, etc.


Well, if Valve ever went out of business, you'd be screwed because all Steam games are protected by Steam's DRM. That probably won't happen, but stranger things have occurred in the gaming world. I have games on my hard drive I bought 20 years ago; I don't need Steam for that. But to each their own!

Ibjr
Feb 27, 2013, 12:45 AM
Well, if Valve ever went out of business, you'd be screwed because all Steam games are protected by Steam's DRM. That probably won't happen, but stranger things have occurred in the gaming world. I have games on my hard drive I bought 20 years ago; I don't need Steam for that. But to each their own!

Is this a joke? Valve is a privately held company that is making around 400 million a year off of steam. How would it magically go out of business?

NMF
Feb 27, 2013, 12:58 AM
Yeah, Valve basically prints money. They also don't need to answer to shareholders, so they tend to have extremely consumer-friendly policies. If they ever went under they'd make your games available to download one last time. That's safe to assume. Feral's website? Not so safe.

Valve is the undisputed king. Steam is the Michael Jordan of being Michael Jordan. Bow down and swear fealty to our Lord and Savior Gaben, for most righteous and knife-possessing is he. Repent your transgressions against The Beard lest you be forced into Origin-only bondage for the rest of your days. For he is the Truth, the Light and the Way; the salvation of mankind and the protector of all things queso. Behold.

c-Row
Feb 27, 2013, 01:39 AM
Steam is simply the trusted standard. Weird Mac-only port shops? Not the trusted standard. Thus the gravitation toward Steam.

Also Stream is where everyone's 200+ game library is and where everyone's friends are.

Not to mention that it might be "free" for those who already purchased the Windows version on Steam. Any info on that yet?

MacRumorUser
Feb 27, 2013, 01:52 AM
I'm probably going to buy this again like a sucker, because I bought the Windows version on Steam to run in Basecamp.

Basecamp? Is that like Bootcamp but for explorers and the more extreme? ;)

petsounds
Feb 27, 2013, 02:01 AM
Yeah, Valve basically prints money. They also don't need to answer to shareholders, so they tend to have extremely consumer-friendly policies. If they ever went under they'd make your games available to download one last time. That's safe to assume. Feral's website? Not so safe.


I stopped trusting Valve after they never finished HL2:Episode Three. :mad:

But basically, a game with no DRM I can archive how I see fit forever is better to me than a game with DRM from a benign game dictator. I don't need the "cloud" to keep backups for me. Obviously Valve is not going under soon, but don't kid yourself -- Valve operates in Valve's best financial interests.

Anyway, Steam, not-Steam, I don't really care. Just glad XCOM is coming to OS X!

Nightarchaon
Feb 27, 2013, 04:58 AM
Already bought the game, so if its not on steam as a steamplay title, im not paying Full SRRP + apple Tax to buy it again.

Bootcamp a-hoy

Gemütlichkeit
Feb 27, 2013, 08:56 AM
My favorite game of 2012. I hope it comes to SteamPlay.

Gemütlichkeit
Feb 27, 2013, 09:10 AM
Also the engine is based on Unreal 3.

Firaxis needs to just have an in house team for cross platform. Every game they release seems to eventually come out on Mac. They need to just do a cross platform release.

sigma8
Feb 27, 2013, 10:26 AM
Is this a joke? Valve is a privately held company that is making around 400 million a year off of steam. How would it magically go out of business?

Yeah. Kind of like how Enron is huge and successful and couldn't possibly implode overnight. Or how Lehman Brothers is too big to fail. Right? I mean, those companies were rolling in billions of dollars. Half a billion was peanuts to them.

Alternatively, consider the not-so-instant failure: THQ. Aren't you glad you didn't buy games on a THQ owned DRM system? THQ was around for years, and granted it was doing bad for a while, but how does that help you? If Valve started going downhill 2 years from now, and you could see it suffering and languishing and figured it would probably go bankrupt within 3-5 years...how will that warning allow you to un-DRM your 200 games in your library? They're still stuck there and would die with the company.

Cougarcat
Feb 27, 2013, 11:40 AM
Not to mention that it might be "free" for those who already purchased the Windows version on Steam. Any info on that yet?

If it does come to Steam I expect it'll be a seperate purchase like Black Ops.

Michael Goff
Feb 27, 2013, 12:34 PM
Hmm, why does not being on Steam make you not interested? I mean, I use Steam, but it's really just a convenience.

I bet steam sales have something to do with it...

Oh, and there's a chance that you'll get to "buy once, play everywhere". I got Civ 4 and 5, for example, which I can now play on Mac or Windows with only one purchase. Same with Assassins Creed 2 and quite a few other games.

Eric5h5
Feb 27, 2013, 12:38 PM
If this were on the Mac App store, I would consider it but I pretty much don't deal with games that aren't on Steam.

Why wouldn't it be on the Mac App Store? All of Feral's other games are released there. Personally, I'd rather not deal with having Steam running and the Steam DRM, so I only buy games on Steam if A) they aren't available elsewhere or B) they have a really good sale. Although I have found that a lot of Mac games bought on Steam are not actually tied to Steam, so I can just make an alias after finding them in Library/Application Support/Steam and launch them normally. (They can be moved entirely, but then they can't be updated properly, hence the alias.)

--Eric

H2SO4
Feb 27, 2013, 01:19 PM
Convenience and idiot-proofness.

I have games on Steam that I bought OVER ten years ago, before Steam was even a thing. I can download those to any computer that I own or have access to and play any time I want. I don't have to worry about keeping copies in case the company goes out of business or they decide to no longer maintain their content servers. I don't have to worry about keeping activation keys, etc.

With Steam, I can install a game, play it for three days, delete the game when I need the space two weeks later, then eight months later, when I have a hankering to play some video games (on a new machine no less), I can load up my Steam library and play that game.

If this were on the Mac App store, I would consider it but I pretty much don't deal with games that aren't on Steam.

Ever tried to sell one of those games when you're done with it?

BeachChair
Feb 27, 2013, 01:50 PM
My favorite game since Skyrim. They should really make it for the iPad. The gameplay and control scheme will fit like a glove on a tablet.

parnas
Feb 27, 2013, 01:51 PM
Yeah, Valve basically prints money. They also don't need to answer to shareholders, so they tend to have extremely consumer-friendly policies.

Absolutely no refunds, no "price matching", game sharing is prohibited and they can lock you out of your WHOLE library for any reasons.

And also their customer service is very slow. Few days to get a reply slow. So, once again, they can lock you out and then you will have to wait few days for a reply from a customer service.

I like Steam, but definitely not because of their customer-unfriendly policies.

NMF
Feb 27, 2013, 02:23 PM
Absolutely no refunds, no "price matching", game sharing is prohibited and they can lock you out of your WHOLE library for any reasons.

And also their customer service is very slow. Few days to get a reply slow. So, once again, they can lock you out and then you will have to wait few days for a reply from a customer service.

I like Steam, but definitely not because of their customer-unfriendly policies.

Well if you like to do illegal stuff and don't know how to keep your digital life in order then I guess you might have a problem. I've personally never needed to contact Steam support about anything, and I've bought a looooot of games on the platform.

Rocketpilot
Feb 27, 2013, 02:51 PM
What does the Windows version support that the Mac version won't?



You said "Basecamp" - did you mean Bootcamp or something else? I have XCOM EU for the PC but haven't gotten around to installing it yet. I didn't know Macs let you patch the BIOS (didn't even know they had a BIOS).

Boot Camp, yeah. Man, there's a rookie mistake. Sorry.

No, no bios, hence my irritation with the universe.

majkom
Feb 27, 2013, 03:35 PM
Little too late.

MrDc2
Feb 27, 2013, 04:34 PM
Looks like it will be worth a try :)

parnas
Feb 27, 2013, 07:19 PM
Well if you like to do illegal stuff and don't know how to keep your digital life in order then I guess you might have a problem. I've personally never needed to contact Steam support about anything, and I've bought a looooot of games on the platform.

Only people that do illegal things might want a refund? Only people that do illegal things might want a price match? Only people that do illegal things might want to let their relatives to play one of games they have purchased?

And only people that do illegal things want speedy replies from the customer support?

As for the Steam disabling accounts. That happened back when I "only" had 100+ games there (I have 300 now). For some reason they have suspected that my account got hacked (nothing happened with it, nothing was purchased, and, as you may guess from where we are - no viruses) and my login got disabled.

By itself its annoying, but understandable - it's both for your and Steam protection. But then I had to wait three days for a customer representative reply describing me how to prove that account is indeed mine. And then I had to wait a day more for them to validate my documents.

To make matter worse, game that I had just purchased then was Steam only. So I couldn't play it as well. Of course I could create another account to be able to play while Steam was resolving my issue, but I wouldn't be able to move that game to my main account later because, I guess, only people that do illegal things could want to merge accounts.


Anyway, do you have any examples of
they tend to have extremely consumer-friendly policies


Especially since you
personally never needed to contact Steam support about anything

NMF
Feb 27, 2013, 08:07 PM
Anyway, do you have any examples of

Especially since you

Sure. Everything they do, pretty much. Their entire business is based on actually providing value to their customers rather than attempting to rip them off without them realizing it. Valve essentially saved PC gaming from becoming a piracy-laden wasteland by making it more convenient to simply buy games legally. They release massive, free updates years after their own original games have shipped. They continue to improve upon the functionality of their service with every major update. They have the best friends system (especially for jumping into games) and fully support user-made content creation. Even if said content is free and doesn't benefit them. They have incredible sales multiple times per year which lets their users grab games at a great value. They develop native OS X ports of all of their original titles, which are released day-and-date with the PC versions. They make certain decisions that aren't always the best financially, because it's in the best interest of their users to do so and they don't have shareholders to answer to (case in point: free Dota 2 with all heroes unlocked).

So yeah, they keep their support light to keep their costs down. I'm cool with that. It's big-boy rules, basically. You probably did something silly to have your account locked up like that (you mentioned account sharing earlier). I appreciate the added protection of stuff like that and have never had any issues.

Signal-11
Feb 27, 2013, 08:20 PM
Absolutely no refunds, no "price matching", game sharing is prohibited and they can lock you out of your WHOLE library for any reasons.

Game sharing in the traditional sense is prohibited.

OTOH, if you pick up multiple licenses through bundle packs, you can give them away (I have given away extra game licences right here on MacRumors.) I've given away plenty of guest passes, too.

As for refunds, why do you need one?

And also their customer service is very slow. Few days to get a reply slow. So, once again, they can lock you out and then you will have to wait few days for a reply from a customer service.

I've had responses within hours when I've had issues.

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Ever tried to sell one of those games when you're done with it?

Nope. In 25+ years of gaming, never sold a game.

parnas
Feb 28, 2013, 01:35 AM
Sure. Everything they do, pretty much. Their entire business is based on actually providing value to their customers rather than attempting to rip them off without them realizing it. Valve essentially saved PC gaming from becoming a piracy-laden wasteland by making it more convenient to simply buy games legally. They release massive, free updates years after their own original games have shipped. They continue to improve upon the functionality of their service with every major update. They have the best friends system (especially for jumping into games) and fully support user-made content creation. Even if said content is free and doesn't benefit them. They have incredible sales multiple times per year which lets their users grab games at a great value. They develop native OS X ports of all of their original titles, which are released day-and-date with the PC versions. They make certain decisions that aren't always the best financially, because it's in the best interest of their users to do so and they don't have shareholders to answer to (case in point: free Dota 2 with all heroes unlocked).

So yeah, they keep their support light to keep their costs down. I'm cool with that. It's big-boy rules, basically. You probably did something silly to have your account locked up like that (you mentioned account sharing earlier). I appreciate the added protection of stuff like that and have never had any issues.



Have anyone argued with you that Steam provides bad value or that Valve is not a nice company? Once again, I have 300 games there.

I have argued with one and only thing: "extremely consumer-friendly policies".

Good selection? Check. Good prices? Check. Incredible support for their games? Check. Good consumer policies and support? Nope.


Oh, and also - it really is not productive to say things like: "and have never had any issues" ("There is no cancer, because I never had any"). I never had any issues too before I had one (and I'm using Steam from the beginning: starting from the Half-Life 2 collectors edition - the very first Steam release).

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As for refunds, why do you need one?


Well, I have bought a game and then three days later it went on a 66% off sale. Price match is not possible. Refund (to buy again for the lower price) is not possible.

I'm not complaining too much really. But App Store would give you a refund, most likely. App Store is worse than Steam (selection, prices, features and interface), but customer support is much better.

Nope. In 25+ years of gaming, never sold a game.

Where do you keep all the boxes? :)

Signal-11
Feb 28, 2013, 06:18 AM
Well, I have bought a game and then three days later it went on a 66% off sale. Price match is not possible. Refund (to buy again for the lower price) is not possible.

Well, given their sales model, which is very strict on what's a given price for a given period of time, I can't blame them too much for it.

Where do you keep all the boxes? :)

Given them away, lost them, have them sitting in storage, so on. I think I tried the whole GameStop thing a couple times, but I get pissed at their offer and just leave.

TedM
Feb 28, 2013, 01:43 PM
this game was so amazing! You guys are in for treat if you haven't played it yet.

mrxak
Mar 1, 2013, 12:22 AM
I have this game on Steam already. I would like to see it just suddenly pop up as available for Mac installation in MacSteam. That would make me pretty happy.

At any rate, XCOM: Enemy Unknown is a fantastic game. You have to like this kind of game, though. It's fun, it's tactical, and it's got a great and spooky mood.

Tesselator
Mar 1, 2013, 01:15 AM
Not on Steam? Not interested.

What's good about Steam? (serious question)

When steam 1st hit I thought it was a terrible idea... Something has changed?

I like the way the Quake games are set up and distributed... <shrug>

jeffbax
Mar 20, 2013, 02:19 PM
Steam is so much better than the Mac App Store.

I could honestly care less about a Mac & PC copy, but when Feral releases games on the MAS, the only way you can play multiplayer with your friends is with GameRanger - which no PC gamers will ever want to bother with when Steam manages things so much more effectively.

Steam is the computer gaming hub. Its prices and selection are way better than the Mac App store, and it doesn't restrict you to ****** multiplayer support which is segregated almost explicitly based on whether a game is in the MAS or not.

Borderlands 2 for Mac Steam can play with PC players. Borderlands 2 for Mac App Store cannot.