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MacRumors
Mar 5, 2013, 05:52 PM
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Apple today seeded build 12D76 (http://9to5mac.com/2013/03/05/apple-seeds-os-x-10-8-3-mountain-lion-build-12d76-to-developers/) of OS X Mountain Lion to developers, marking the twelfth beta iteration of the newest version of Mountain Lion. 10.8.3 was first seeded (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/26/apple-seeds-first-beta-of-os-x-10-8-3-to-developers/) to developers in November of 2012.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/03/1083.jpg

Build 12D76 comes less than a week after build 12D74 (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/28/apple-seeds-build-12d74-of-os-x-beta-10-8-3-to-developers/) and features no listed changes. Registered developers can download the update on Apple's Developer Page (https://developer.apple.com/).

Update: We've heard that Apple has seeded this version of OS X 10.8.3 to employees, suggesting that it is the final version of the software and is likely to be released to the public in the very near future.

This post originally referred to Build 12D76 as the thirteenth developer seed of OS X 10.8.3 when it was actually the twelfth seed.

Article Link: Apple Seeds Build 12D76 of OS X Beta 10.8.3 to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/05/apple-seeds-build-12d76-of-os-x-beta-10-8-3-to-developers/)



nfl46
Mar 5, 2013, 05:53 PM
Is this a joke? Must be...

kbmb
Mar 5, 2013, 05:54 PM
Is this a joke? Must be...

This damn thing better be rock solid after 13 (and counting) tries.

-Kevin

MisterKeeks
Mar 5, 2013, 05:55 PM
The devs at Apple are watching this thread and giggling.

komodrone
Mar 5, 2013, 05:55 PM
Whine allllll day

jaw04005
Mar 5, 2013, 05:57 PM
You have to wonder if Apple is preparing 10.8.3 to be last major update to Mountain Lion.

It's time to introduce 10.9.

Makosuke
Mar 5, 2013, 05:58 PM
Leaving aside the pathological desire to update any and all software constantly, I consider thoroughly tested software fundamentally better.

So if Apple really is hammering 10.8.3 this hard to make sure it's clean, I consider that a good thing.

(One could of course argue that they should just let it loose and fix the remaining issues in 10.8.4, but are there any bugs that 10.8.3 is fixing that are so egregious that it needs to come out NOW, thorough testing be damned?)

Does this hold the record for longest run between point iterations of a current-version OSX, though? It's certainly the most betas with no known issues I can remember seeing.

w0lf
Mar 5, 2013, 05:58 PM
Slow shutdown was fixed for me with this build. Anyone else experiencing this?

Exotic-Car Man
Mar 5, 2013, 05:59 PM
Maybe this is just all a plot to get more people onto their Mac Dev program.

boccabella
Mar 5, 2013, 06:01 PM
I would have to guess they have all hands working on iOS now, and OS X has been placed on the back burner.

Rampage Dev
Mar 5, 2013, 06:02 PM
5 months later...

lcmazza
Mar 5, 2013, 06:03 PM
I'm loving it. :cool:

sbgirling
Mar 5, 2013, 06:04 PM
Can I PLEASE just have the fix to the Mac Mini HDMI graphics?

TheGreenBastard
Mar 5, 2013, 06:05 PM
Slow shutdown was fixed for me with this build. Anyone else experiencing this?

Well, not me. You should totally upload your update package on a torrent site ;)

LordDeath
Mar 5, 2013, 06:06 PM
Testing is the part of software development which simply needs its time. You can't simply halve its duration by just doubling the resources assigned to it.

Personally I hope that this will fix my issue with USB 3.0 drives which get unmounted as soon as I put my MBA into sleep mode. Time Machine during Powernap still works but I get a warning message every time I wake the device.
Despite this I don't see any other problems with 10.8.2 on my device and Apple should take all the time it needs to stabilize the next update.

Peace
Mar 5, 2013, 06:06 PM
you have to wonder if apple is preparing 10.8.3 to be last major update to mountain lion.

It's time to introduce 10.9.

^^^this^^^

Prof.
Mar 5, 2013, 06:06 PM
I'm gonna **** a brick. This is becoming too ridiculous.

moderngamenewb
Mar 5, 2013, 06:07 PM
This is the beta that never ends. This time last year, Mountain Lion beta 1 was already seeded to developers.

w0lf
Mar 5, 2013, 06:12 PM
Leaving aside the pathological desire to update any and all software constantly, I consider thoroughly tested software fundamentally better.

So if Apple really is hammering 10.8.3 this hard to make sure it's clean, I consider that a good thing.

I generally agree with this but considering none of the builds I've tried have added any noticeable bugs I don't think it would have hurt for Apple to have released some sort of update earlier to adress some of the more pertinent issues.

I have to say though, on both computers I have running 10.8.3 I haven't really ran into any problems at all in quite a while (aside from the fact that safari still leaks huge amounts memory after extended usage but I don't really use safari so I don't care).

One could of course argue that they should just let it loose and fix the remaining issues in 10.8.4, but are there any bugs that 10.8.3 is fixing that are so egregious that it needs to come out NOW, thorough testing be damned?

I think a lot of rMBP users are having graphics/lag related issues as well as wifi connectivity issues which I would classify both as being pretty serious. I know that if I was experiencing those sorts of problems for months on end without a fix it would certainly turn me off of wanting to buy another product from the same company especially considering the price of rMBPs.

Does this hold the record for longest run between point iterations of a current-version OSX, though? It's certainly the most betas with no known issues I can remember seeing.

Here's something useless for you :)

The time in days between OS X updates, here's the top 10, not including betas of any kind.

1. 165 days, 10.4.8 - 10.4.9
2. 148 days, 10.5.6 - 10.5.7
3. 148 days, 10.6.4 - 10.6.5
4. 148 days so far,10.8.2SU - 10.8.3
5. 147 days, 10.4.10 - 10.4.11
6. 140, 10.6.2 - 10.6.3
7. 133, 10.7.4 - 10.7.5
8. 112 10.7.2 - 10.7.3
9. 111, 10.4.2 -10.4.3
10. 107, 10.5.2 - 10.5.3

You can see the 10.x.2 - 10.x.3 is one of the longest cycles.

If you go by the original 10.8.2, not the supplemental update, it's been 163 days.

^ 2/28/13 so add 5 days to the total

According to this quote from the 12D68 thread it still isn't the longest yet but it's #2 now and will probably take the #1 spot unless this the GM and it's released this week or something.

swissmann
Mar 5, 2013, 06:13 PM
I got this from member "Sky Blue" here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1543159&page=12

"The time in days between OS X updates, here's the top 10, not including betas of any kind.

1. 165 days, 10.4.8 - 10.4.9
2. 153 days so far,10.8.2SU - 10.8.3
3. 148 days, 10.5.6 - 10.5.7
4. 148 days, 10.6.4 - 10.6.5
5. 147 days, 10.4.10 - 10.4.11
6. 140, 10.6.2 - 10.6.3
7. 133, 10.7.4 - 10.7.5
8. 112 10.7.2 - 10.7.3
9. 111, 10.4.2 -10.4.3
10. 107, 10.5.2 - 10.5.3

You can see the 10.x.2 - 10.x.3 is one of the longest cycles.

If you go by the original 10.8.2, not the supplemental update, it's been 168 days."

(I've updated the 10.8.2 calculations based on the days that have passed since then).

Edit - w0lf beat me to it.

johnscully
Mar 5, 2013, 06:13 PM
Can I PLEASE just have the fix to the Mac Mini HDMI graphics?

EXACTLY! The 'crushed whites' problem seems to be fixed in the betas for months now. I can remember having a similar problem in 10.5 where OSX recognized my monitor as a TV and therefor produced the screen resolution 1900x1080 instead of 1900x1200. A fix for this was released by Apple 2 weeks later and they didn't wait for the next 10.5.x update.

This time the basic problem seems also to be that OSX recognizes some monitors as TVs. But I just can't get behind why Apple doesn't fix such an issue with a small separate update, so annoying...

Nermal
Mar 5, 2013, 06:13 PM
You have to wonder if Apple is preparing 10.8.3 to be last major update to Mountain Lion.

It's time to introduce 10.9.

In that case I should probably report an issue where the App Store won't authenticate if you remove the first Ethernet card. At the time, 10.8.3 looked like it was coming "any day now" so I was going to wait it out and report it afterwards, but if it's supposed to be the last update...

Wilson1313
Mar 5, 2013, 06:14 PM
Apple changes one line of code...

Pushes new beta

Peace
Mar 5, 2013, 06:25 PM
Apple changes one line of code...

Pushes new beta

There are over 50 apps that have been updated in this seed.

Not to mention system stuff.

sebseb81
Mar 5, 2013, 06:28 PM
Anyone thinking they are waiting for the 10.9 preview to come out before releasing this?

Sky Blue
Mar 5, 2013, 06:32 PM
You have to wonder if Apple is preparing 10.8.3 to be last major update to Mountain Lion.

It's time to introduce 10.9.

10.9 would need at least 6 months in beta. Can't imagine they wouldn't release an update for 6 months.

imacken
Mar 5, 2013, 06:32 PM
This damn thing better be rock solid after 13 (and counting) tries.

-Kevin
12 actually. Don't know why this forum keeps adding 1 to the number of betas.

TsMkLg068426
Mar 5, 2013, 06:33 PM
Still BETA?:confused::rolleyes:

quietstormSD
Mar 5, 2013, 06:34 PM
this is so funny

Sky Blue
Mar 5, 2013, 06:36 PM
Day between os x updates

1. 165 days, 10.4.8 - 10.4.9
2. 153 days so far,10.8.2SU - 10.8.3
3. 148 days, 10.5.6 - 10.5.7
4. 148 days, 10.6.4 - 10.6.5
5. 147 days, 10.4.10 - 10.4.11
6. 140, 10.6.2 - 10.6.3
7. 133, 10.7.4 - 10.7.5
8. 112 10.7.2 - 10.7.3
9. 111, 10.4.2 -10.4.3
10. 107, 10.5.2 - 10.5.3

Keep it going for 2 weeks and we'll have a new record!

(If you go by the original 10.8.2, it's been 168 days!)

epelba01
Mar 5, 2013, 06:36 PM
What are the odds for them to release the public version in the next few days? Or do you think we are stuck waiting yet another week for yet another beta?

onit
Mar 5, 2013, 06:40 PM
12 actually. Don't know why this forum keeps adding 1 to the number of betas.

Actually, it is thirteen. I wish it weren't so - "final released in january after 7th beta" sounds good - but this is the silly early-march fugly 13 reality

Nermal
Mar 5, 2013, 06:44 PM
10.9 would need at least 6 months in beta. Can't imagine they wouldn't release an update for 6 months.

Apple's getting close to not releasing an update for six months as it stands right now ;)

Senseotech
Mar 5, 2013, 06:47 PM
Installing now, curious to see if the Windows 8 Boot Camp driver package is up on the server yet.

Nermal
Mar 5, 2013, 06:50 PM
Actually, it is thirteen.

It actually looks like he's right about it being twelve.

12D50 was the fifth beta (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/08/apple-seeds-build-12d50-of-os-x-beta-10-8-3-to-developers/) and 12D54 is listed (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/16/apple-seeds-build-12d54-of-os-x-10-8-3-to-developers/) as the seventh, but I can't find any reference to a sixth build in between those.

BWhaler
Mar 5, 2013, 06:52 PM
This damn thing better be rock solid after 13 (and counting) tries.

-Kevin

I hope so. Mountain Lion and iOS 6 where not Apple's finest moment, both in terms of quality but also innovation.

I hope this marks the end of a bad era with Apple software, particularly with Google innovating as well as they are.

Apple cannot take anything for granted, or the PC wars will repeat themselves.

I'm hopeful, less optimistic than I once was, but hopeful.

eagandale4114
Mar 5, 2013, 06:55 PM
There are over 50 apps that have been updated in this seed.

Not to mention system stuff.

Any specific info on what apps were updated?

daneoni
Mar 5, 2013, 06:59 PM
I hope so. Mountain Lion and iOS 6 where not Apple's finest moment, both in terms of quality but also innovation.

I hope this marks the end of a bad era with Apple software, particularly with Google innovating as well as they are.

Apple cannot take anything for granted, or the PC wars will repeat themselves.

I'm hopeful, less optimistic than I once was, but hopeful.

The PC wars WILL repeat themselves but Apple won't care too much since they'll still be laughing all the way to the bank. Apple has usually only catered to a select group. Always have...likely always will.

wildmac
Mar 5, 2013, 07:00 PM
Or... are they waiting for new Hardware for this to go out?...

Tmelon
Mar 5, 2013, 07:02 PM
Build 12D76 comes two weeks after build 12D74 (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/28/apple-seeds-build-12d74-of-os-x-beta-10-8-3-to-developers/) and features no listed changes. Registered developers can download the update on Apple's Developer Page (https://developer.apple.com/).


2 weeks? More like 4 days.

Codyak
Mar 5, 2013, 07:07 PM
2 weeks? More like 4 days.

Close enough. :D

w0lf
Mar 5, 2013, 07:08 PM
2 weeks? More like 4 days.

They probably just copy pasted from the last topic and changed the build number.

Parasprite
Mar 5, 2013, 07:14 PM
http://i.imgur.com/iEiEsic.png

I know they are ironing out bugs to do this properly but...

...I guess I'll just continue waiting patiently.

Peace
Mar 5, 2013, 07:15 PM
2 weeks? More like 4 days.

The small number of days between tells me they were working on a specific bug. Although I've seen seeds come out a day apart before.

I'm still guessing GM and public release either Wednesday or Thursday.

Senseotech
Mar 5, 2013, 07:28 PM
Can report, still no Windows 8 driver package through the Boot Camp Assistant. :(

ikm19
Mar 5, 2013, 07:31 PM
Can report, still no Windows 8 driver package through the Boot Camp Assistant. :(

Its my guess... but i think they will release Windows 8 Drivers with 10.9

Senseotech
Mar 5, 2013, 07:32 PM
Its my guess... but i think they will release Windows 8 Drivers with 10.9

The 10.8.3 beta release notes for the last several builds state that Win8 support is part of the update.

w0lf
Mar 5, 2013, 07:37 PM
Can report, still no Windows 8 driver package through the Boot Camp Assistant. :(

Yup, same here.

Its my guess... but i think they will release Windows 8 Drivers with 10.9

Nope they'll probably roll it out with the public release because it's already been stated that 10.8.3 is going to have Win 8 support. Also delaying Win 8 support much longer couldn't be a good thing, I'm pretty sure Blue is already rumored for June-August release and that may or may not change/mess up some things.

tdtran1025
Mar 5, 2013, 07:55 PM
I keep downloading one iteration after another. Yet i see no significant changes since my rig is old and not benefitting from these updates.

tevion5
Mar 5, 2013, 07:56 PM
It's time to introduce 10.9.

Are they trying to set a world record for shortest distance between operating system releases? I don't mind waiting longer if the results are more profound. Remember how much it came on from say Tiger to Snow Leopard? It's hardly comparable from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.

And besides, they'll exhaust all the cats on earth.

mogwat
Mar 5, 2013, 07:59 PM
July, 2022. OSX 15.4.7 released and OSX 10.8.3 beta 78....

wlossw
Mar 5, 2013, 08:02 PM
I thought Apple was going to start releasing software when it was ready rather than based on a strict schedule.

If the extra care going into 10.8.3 is indicative of things to come, I think it's a good sign.

OSX 10.9 and iOS 7 may not arrive like clockwork this summer, but when they do come, here's hoping that they are innovative and rock-solid.

mattonthemoon
Mar 5, 2013, 08:21 PM
Welp, there goes all hope for it being released this week!

Senseotech
Mar 5, 2013, 08:24 PM
Welp, there goes all hope for it being released this week!

Not really. If its stable and no bugs are found, they could push it out tomorrow or Thursday as the actual 10.8.3

MikhailT
Mar 5, 2013, 08:28 PM
Are they trying to set a world record for shortest distance between operating system releases? I don't mind waiting longer if the results are more profound.

Apple officially announced they were switching over to an annual OS X release two years ago. Lion was the first. Mountain Lion came out almost the year after and 10.9 will be released this summer/fall.

I thought Apple was going to start releasing software when it was ready rather than based on a strict schedule.

Since when? Apple switched to annual releases a few years ago, they never announced that they're done with it.

My guess is that they're waiting for 10.8.3 to release, wait another week and then release the OS X 10.9 details on the website with a beta ready to go and a timeframe of Summer/Late for 10.9 final release.

tevion5
Mar 5, 2013, 08:31 PM
Apple officially announced they were switching over to an annual OS X release two years ago. Lion was the first. Mountain Lion came out almost the year after and 10.9 will be released this summer/

Ahh, the more you know... :)

Bangolufsen
Mar 5, 2013, 08:40 PM
"release the ocelot"


BqDxMelj5Dk

djtech42
Mar 5, 2013, 08:43 PM
I'm still having tons of issues with OS X 10.8.2 on my 15" Retina MacBook Pro, Apple! It feels like I've been running Windows for the past couple months with all the bugs (especially involving Wi-fi) and freezes. You need to release 10.8.3 now!

It's great that you are finally worrying about the quality of the software (you certainly didn't care about quality during the Lion disaster). If there are still problems, fix them with 10.8.4 but the retina users need something right now.

And if you could fix how non-retina apps are displayed that would be wonderful (they look worse than on a screen with half the resolution)

Lastly, release Logic Pro X! Thank you.

Sincerely,
A victim of Tim Cook's "Post-PC" world

GIZBUG
Mar 5, 2013, 08:49 PM
As with the previous 15 betas..........this runs without issue. Haven't had any issues or problems with any of these betas.....then again, didn't know have any issues with the commercial release.

WhackyNinja
Mar 5, 2013, 08:49 PM
But seriously, this better be a good update. Cause they've been working on this one since November. 10.7.3 never took this long and it was a update that was in the works for a while. But I guess after we see 10.8.3 in the coming weeks it will mean the start of development for OS X 10.9

katewes
Mar 5, 2013, 08:49 PM
Whatever it is, when 10.8.3 comes out, I will be waiting for all of you to beta test it.I'm still on 10.7.5 and things are sooth sailing. Very grateful to all the fast-adopters who help make OS smooth so that I can jump on with no dramas later in the piece. Sincerely. :)

I am quite dubious that such a large update as 10.8.3 will be trouble free. What it fixes which break other things. I've found that OSX usually doesn't become smooth as butter until .6, or recently .5 in Lion.

From Tiger, Leopard and SL, .3 was always still a bit buggy.

ghosthaunt11
Mar 5, 2013, 09:20 PM
Apple's getting close to not releasing an update for six months as it stands right now ;)

I most certainly hope that Apple will not take that long to release this. That's 1/2 year, which is way too ridiculous.

teknishn
Mar 5, 2013, 09:24 PM
10.8.3 is without question awesome. Very very solid. The biggest issues with ML are mostly related to ivy bridge based macs and rMBP specifically. And it's mostly about drivers. Tons of other fixes in tow as well, but the new rigs and drivers have been a big problem. I ran ML through first beta on 2011 Air without major problems. My 2012 Air had quite a few problems. Especially with usb3. And now my rMBP also has had a lot of problems. All seemingly driver related. I can definitely tell you that as far as what I have experienced, 10.8.3 is a god send for any ivy bridge based Mac user and for rMBP folks. Things are quite close to perfect now. And just in time for me to F everything up with the first 10.9 beta. Lol

John.B
Mar 5, 2013, 09:28 PM
All I need is a Fusion Drive-compatible Disk Utility. Is that too much to ask?

smulji
Mar 5, 2013, 09:31 PM
I keep downloading one iteration after another. Yet i see no significant changes since my rig is old and not benefitting from these updates.

then buy a new rig

ghosthaunt11
Mar 5, 2013, 09:32 PM
Can report, still no Windows 8 driver package through the Boot Camp Assistant. :(

How big is the update file now? How long did the beta take to install compared to the final release of 10.8.2?

Senseotech
Mar 5, 2013, 09:33 PM
How big is the update file now? How long did the beta take to install compared to the final release of 10.8.2?

570 something megs and about the same as any big point update. I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention lol

ghosthaunt11
Mar 5, 2013, 10:09 PM
I would have to guess they have all hands working on iOS now, and OS X has been placed on the back burner.

I disagree with you on that, because there would not be 13 betas of 10.8.3 right now if iOS was their main focus.

TheMTtakeover
Mar 5, 2013, 10:17 PM
All I need is a Fusion Drive-compatible Disk Utility. Is that too much to ask?

What do you mean by this? I don't have a Fusion Drive, is there an issue with it and the Disk Utility?

MJedi
Mar 5, 2013, 10:31 PM
Has battery life for the MacBook Air improved in 10.8.3?

Funkatronic
Mar 5, 2013, 10:53 PM
July, 2022. OSX 15.4.7 released and OSX 10.8.3 beta 78....

I had to chuckle at that... not at the joke though.

MikhailT
Mar 5, 2013, 11:05 PM
But seriously, this better be a good update. Cause they've been working on this one since November. 10.7.3 never took this long and it was a update that was in the works for a while. But I guess after we see 10.8.3 in the coming weeks it will mean the start of development for OS X 10.9

Shorter than that, I'm willing to bet they lost a lot of productivity due to the holidays. They probably started working seriously since Jan.

SeattleMoose
Mar 5, 2013, 11:05 PM
In related news...more alleged sightings of Bigfoot, The Loch Ness Monster, and The Honest Banker. :rolleyes:

thomaskc
Mar 5, 2013, 11:35 PM
Shorter than that, I'm willing to bet they lost a lot of productivity due to the holidays. They probably started working seriously since Jan.

I love how people think they know and guess on what the hell apple is doing when... none of you knows ****! they probably have a schedule to aim for, but if things shift they shift and you can't predict half of it.

Maybe we can start creating posts about the experience that is the new beta build?? have you installed and are you testing build 12D76 ?? if not, stop posting!!! at least keep it to relevant questions about it.

And no its not a personal attack on "you", its in general. there is 76 posts or so before this and only very few has anything to do with this beta build.

I will be installing the beta when I get home from work and hope to see yet another tiny increase in the version no of the Nvidia drivers (not sure if that version no makes a difference though).

Edit: And before some people go *******, no its not because I want to be angry here, I just think these blog posts and comments could be used a lot better and be very beneficial information if they aren't filled up with spam instantly.

Squilly
Mar 6, 2013, 12:19 AM
Can't you please just release it already....

koban4max
Mar 6, 2013, 12:41 AM
Can I PLEASE just have the fix to the Mac Mini HDMI graphics?

what are you going to do if they don't fix it.

----------

I'm still having tons of issues with OS X 10.8.2 on my 15" Retina MacBook Pro, Apple! It feels like I've been running Windows for the past couple months with all the bugs (especially involving Wi-fi) and freezes. You need to release 10.8.3 now!

It's great that you are finally worrying about the quality of the software (you certainly didn't care about quality during the Lion disaster). If there are still problems, fix them with 10.8.4 but the retina users need something right now.

And if you could fix how non-retina apps are displayed that would be wonderful (they look worse than on a screen with half the resolution)

Lastly, release Logic Pro X! Thank you.

Sincerely,
A victim of Tim Cook's "Post-PC" world

Dear Victim,
Thank you for writing this letter to macrumors member. I understand your concern, but to be honest with you....well....10.8.2 is the last update for you. I know that you're very frustrated, but we'll fix your life up with 10.9.x and it will cost you 19.99. Enjoy yourself with your ML and we will continuously torment you. Thanks for being a fan.

yours truly
Apple

alvindarkness
Mar 6, 2013, 12:50 AM
Your mom will exhaust all the cats on earth.

Best comment I've ever read on macrumors :)

H2SO4
Mar 6, 2013, 12:54 AM
Best comment I've ever read on macrumors :)

Am I the only one that doesn't get that?

devastato
Mar 6, 2013, 01:08 AM
Installed 1 hour ago and as far as i can see:

- Scrolling in apps like Safari is now very smooth on rMBP (This hasn't been so in past 10.8.3 Beta Builds) :)
- Boot and Shutdown times are blazingly fast :)
- Wifi seems stable :)

I think this (12D76) is the best Beta Build (Maybe it's compiled without debugging -> GM?).

Hungry&Foolish
Mar 6, 2013, 01:11 AM
Installed 1 hour ago and as far as i can see:

- Scrolling in apps like Safari is now very smooth on rMBP (This hasn't been so in past 10.8.3 Beta Builds) :)
- Boot and Shutdown times are blazingly fast :)
- Wifi seems stable :)

I think this (12D76) is the best Beta Build (Maybe it's compiled without debugging -> GM?).

Your mouth to God's ears. Best news of the day. Thanks

brandscill
Mar 6, 2013, 01:20 AM
As long as graphic glitching in safari and mail are fixed I'll be a happy man!

bedifferent
Mar 6, 2013, 01:42 AM
Installed 1 hour ago and as far as i can see:

- Scrolling in apps like Safari is now very smooth on rMBP (This hasn't been so in past 10.8.3 Beta Builds) :)
- Boot and Shutdown times are blazingly fast :)
- Wifi seems stable :)

I think this (12D76) is the best Beta Build (Maybe it's compiled without debugging -> GM?).

Great news. Been a long day, going to install it now. :)

iBug2
Mar 6, 2013, 02:09 AM
Installed 1 hour ago and as far as i can see:

- Scrolling in apps like Safari is now very smooth on rMBP (This hasn't been so in past 10.8.3 Beta Builds) :)
- Boot and Shutdown times are blazingly fast :)
- Wifi seems stable :)

I think this (12D76) is the best Beta Build (Maybe it's compiled without debugging -> GM?).

Scrolling in apps like Safari has not changed in 10.8.3 for me. It's been always smooth since 10.8.0. The latest beta build doesn't increase fps on Safari scrolling on my rMBP.

My shutdown times are still between 5 and 25 seconds on rMBP and latest beta doesn't effect that either.

TheTissot11
Mar 6, 2013, 02:35 AM
I don't know what these ******s Apple engineers are doing. It's been close to 9 months for ML now, and they can't seem to iron out any issues. I've rMBP and I've been having system hangs, Safari crashing, graphics glitches and I've spoken to Apple Technical Support on multiple occasions, reinstalled ML and nothing helps. If they take six months to fix the bugs, then how could they claim to release a new OS every year. This wasn't the Apple experience before. I'm not even sure that these ******s Apple engineers and Craig wouldn't introduce 10 new bugs in 10.8.3. It's no longer a pleasing experience using OS X anymore. Apple has become new Microsoft and doesn't want to listen and care about customers.

Peace
Mar 6, 2013, 02:48 AM
Installed 1 hour ago and as far as i can see:

- Scrolling in apps like Safari is now very smooth on rMBP (This hasn't been so in past 10.8.3 Beta Builds) :)
- Boot and Shutdown times are blazingly fast :)
- Wifi seems stable :)

I think this (12D76) is the best Beta Build (Maybe it's compiled without debugging -> GM?).

I don't know what these ******s Apple engineers are doing. It's been close to 9 months for ML now, and they can't seem to iron out any issues. I've rMBP and I've been having system hangs, Safari crashing, graphics glitches and I've spoken to Apple Technical Support on multiple occasions, reinstalled ML and nothing helps. If they take six months to fix the bugs, then how could they claim to release a new OS every year. This wasn't the Apple experience before. I'm not even sure that these ******s Apple engineers and Craig wouldn't introduce 10 new bugs in 10.8.3. It's no longer a pleasing experience using OS X anymore. Apple has become new Microsoft and doesn't want to listen and care about customers.



Welcome to MacRumors.

;)

mishendr
Mar 6, 2013, 02:56 AM
Do all of you guys voice your concerns and bugs with Apple? Probably not. Too bad, if you are really concerned about improving OSX or anything else Apple for that matter, post your bugs/issues/request with Apple:

www.apple.com/feedback

Thats (i.m.o.) the only (official) way Apple will and has to listen to complaints. So copy your complaint, head over to the mentioned site and paste it there.

No, I'm not from Apple, I'm a frustrated Macbook user who can't officially run 10.8 but unofficially can....

JGRE
Mar 6, 2013, 02:58 AM
They should stop having people pay for betas, if they did they would recieved far more feed back on remaining bugs in there beta software and most bugs would be gone in the final release in a shorter time period.
Next to this they should break-up updates in smaller pieces.

madrag
Mar 6, 2013, 03:07 AM
When they release 10.8.3, people will find bugs, and I'm curious to see the reactions to that, since it was so tested, many will assume it would have covered *all* bugs.

I think it is a good thing to have such an intensive testing, OR maybe they aren't concentrating on OS X that much these days (probably concentrating on iOS or the iToys). Who knows :confused:

Now I'm kind of concerned to update to 10.8.3 (when it arrives), the time they are taking could be a sign that it does break something, in an epic fashion :D

devastato
Mar 6, 2013, 03:24 AM
Scrolling in apps like Safari has not changed in 10.8.3 for me. It's been always smooth since 10.8.0. The latest beta build doesn't increase fps on Safari scrolling on my rMBP.

My shutdown times are still between 5 and 25 seconds on rMBP and latest beta doesn't effect that either.

For Shutdown times:
Try to quit following apps from the Menu Bar before shutting down:

Evernote
Dropbox
Skitch
Other Apps syncing Data with a Cloud Service

I get a shutdown time of constantly 4-5 seconds then... I think we should not blame apple for this behavior as Mac OS X is waiting for these apps to correctly close (and perform a "last sync").

After updating your OS X: Do a option + cmd + r + p at startup (immediately after power on) to clear bios, smc, pac.. whatever.


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Welcome to MacRumors.

;)

Yeayyyyy :cool:

thomaskc
Mar 6, 2013, 03:24 AM
They should stop having people pay for betas, if they did they would recieved far more feed back on remaining bugs in there beta software and most bugs would be gone in the final release in a shorter time period.
Next to this they should break-up updates in smaller pieces.

People with any interest in testing these betas should also be smart enough to make a google search and download the beta without paying... it's not that hard. Basically it won't make much of a difference, because the majority of apple users doesn't even know a beta exists and if you told them, they wouldn't care.

HMI
Mar 6, 2013, 03:31 AM
Change Log:

10.8.2
SafariEngineSnappyMode = 0

10.8.3
SafariEngineSnappyMode = 1

Mike MA
Mar 6, 2013, 03:37 AM
This damn thing better be rock solid after 13 (and counting)

Said the same before back in December - now I say if not, 10.9 is on the way :rolleyes:

Shearwater
Mar 6, 2013, 03:43 AM
Apple are beginning to act more like Microsoft....all these seeds would be patches in Windows..

tywebb13
Mar 6, 2013, 04:08 AM
Apple are beginning to act more like Microsoft....

This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen on this website.

Apple release of updates has no pattern to it whatsoever. But Microsoft do it every 2 weeks.

I actually prefer Microsoft's approach. I don't want automatic updates because it interferes with other things, yet with Microsoft I know when to search for updates.

So for updates with microsoft I only have to search twice a month but with apple I have to do it every day because you never know when updates will be released by apple.

So are apple beginning to act like microsoft? No. Definitely not. The apple randomness continues and so does microsoft's regularity.

On the other hand, I would like it if apple did it like microsoft so that I don't have to waste so much time checking for updates from apple.

Shearwater
Mar 6, 2013, 04:22 AM
Apple release of updates has no pattern to it whatsoever.




From the mouths of babes!!

The Bulge
Mar 6, 2013, 04:24 AM
This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen on this website.

Apple release of updates has no pattern to it whatsoever. But Microsoft do it every 2 weeks.

I actually prefer Microsoft's approach. I don't want automatic updates because it interferes with other things, yet with Microsoft I know when to search for updates.

So for updates with microsoft I only have to search twice a month but with apple I have to do it every day because you never know when updates will be released by apple.

So are apple beginning to act like microsoft? No. Definitely not. The apple randomness continues and so does microsoft's regularity.

On the other hand, I would like it if apple did it like microsoft so that I don't have to waste so much time checking for updates from apple.

You don't have to search for anything when there is an update to OS X or any software you will be notified or just leave it on auto-update.

Shearwater
Mar 6, 2013, 04:32 AM
....

iBug2
Mar 6, 2013, 04:34 AM
For Shutdown times:
Try to quit following apps from the Menu Bar before shutting down:

Evernote
Dropbox
Skitch
Other Apps syncing Data with a Cloud Service



I don't have any of those apps installed. Shutdown still can take 25 seconds, even if I'm not connected to internet. (When you are offline no iCloud syncing occurs anyway). So it's still inconsistent. Not that I have any problems with 25 sec shutdowns. I don't mind.

imacken
Mar 6, 2013, 04:37 AM
I disagree with you on that, because there would not be 13 betas of 10.8.3 right now if iOS was their main focus.
This is the 12th beta.

lee27
Mar 6, 2013, 04:43 AM
Installed 1 hour ago and as far as i can see:

- Scrolling in apps like Safari is now very smooth on rMBP (This hasn't been so in past 10.8.3 Beta Builds) :)
- Boot and Shutdown times are blazingly fast :)
- Wifi seems stable :)

I think this (12D76) is the best Beta Build (Maybe it's compiled without debugging -> GM?).

I can confirm, Shutdown and Boot times are blazingly fast. :)

JGRE
Mar 6, 2013, 04:51 AM
People with any interest in testing these betas should also be smart enough to make a google search and download the beta without paying... it's not that hard. Basically it won't make much of a difference, because the majority of apple users doesn't even know a beta exists and if you told them, they wouldn't care.

Hmm, well I am an active user and I don't mind getting apps via torrents, but an OS from a less trustwurthy place has scared me off till now.
If it all would be supported by Apple wouldn't more people particpate?

81Steven
Mar 6, 2013, 04:57 AM
Installed 1 hour ago and as far as i can see:

- Scrolling in apps like Safari is now very smooth on rMBP (This hasn't been so in past 10.8.3 Beta Builds) :)
- Boot and Shutdown times are blazingly fast :)
- Wifi seems stable :)

I think this (12D76) is the best Beta Build (Maybe it's compiled without debugging -> GM?).

good news, if confirmed

iFitzgerald
Mar 6, 2013, 05:02 AM
Update: We've heard that Apple has seeded this version of OS X 10.8.3 to employees, suggesting that it is the final version of the software and is likely to be released to the public in the very near future.


Nice to know. It might be coming out very soon, maybe tomorrow or in the worst case scenario, next week...I hope xD

Hoping it brings my MBP back to the performance I was used to. In the meantime, people testing it: please keep on sharing your feedback, it's always nice to know :D

justperry
Mar 6, 2013, 05:41 AM
For Shutdown times:
Try to quit following apps from the Menu Bar before shutting down:

Evernote
Dropbox
Skitch
Other Apps syncing Data with a Cloud Service

I get a shutdown time of constantly 4-5 seconds then... I think we should not blame apple for this behavior as Mac OS X is waiting for these apps to correctly close (and perform a "last sync").

After updating your OS X: Do a option + cmd + r + p at startup (immediately after power on) to clear bios, smc, pac.. whatever.


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Yeayyyyy :cool:

I don't have any of those apps installed. Shutdown still can take 25 seconds, even if I'm not connected to internet. (When you are offline no iCloud syncing occurs anyway). So it's still inconsistent. Not that I have any problems with 25 sec shutdowns. I don't mind.

Neither do I, If you startup in verbose mode by holding Command-V it will also do so at shutdown and you'll see many Apple Processes not shutting down, up to 4-5 times before these get killed.

My Old Powerbook (2005) starts up and shuts down faster than my 2012 Mac Mini!

wrldwzrd89
Mar 6, 2013, 05:47 AM
I've said this in other threads about OS X, and I think it's worth repeating here: Apple, as a rule, has never, and never intends to release beta builds of 2 branches of OS X at the same time. This means no 10.9 until 10.8.3 is good and ready.

Tashencrabbie
Mar 6, 2013, 05:53 AM
What do you mean by this? I don't have a Fusion Drive, is there an issue with it and the Disk Utility?

The answer is very yes. 10.8.2 Disk Utility and Fusion are not ready.

I got a new Mac mini i7 (late 2012) first week of January. An Apple reseller sold it to me customized with the standard 1tb drive and added a Samsung 830 500gb ssd. Said merchant did great; it was new and shiny and FAST. I wanted to bootcamp Win 8 Pro 64bit so I could retire my 8-year old HP desktop and still use Morrowind, Omnipage, etc.

I knew Win 8 wasn't OFFICIALLY supported but after waiting on 10.8.3 for two weeks I foolishly took the plunge. In Bootcamp Assistant I split up the ssd halfsies so both OS'es could have speedy greatness.

Coming from an iBook 1.42 I've never had an Intel Mac to try installing a dual boot setup. I (of course) bollixed things up. The Win8 DVD iso I made was bad, shoulda used a flash drive or fresher media. Bootcamp Assistant at this point kicked me out with partition issues. "No problem," I thought, "I've got all my important stuff backed up, I'll just nuke it from orbit and try out the nifty new web install thing." System recovery did its thing great, all except for forcing the hdd and ssd to merge into a Fusion drive.

Fusion Drive mojo is reserved by osX for mac use only. Any other os you Bootcamp can use the hdd portion ONLY. The first Applecare rep didn't have a solution and said I was SOL on getting Win 8 on the ssd. Bummed out I searched the web for answers and found this:

http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2012/20121103_2-DiskUtility-nasties.html

The second rep didn't have a fix either... but handled it right, took my link and asked Apple engineers who might. MLK holiday weekend goes by and 2nd person says, "Yes, I'll walk you though Terminal." Success! All is right with my Mini again.

When 10.8.3 finally drops with official Win8 support I'll try again.

Risco
Mar 6, 2013, 06:53 AM
Are they trying to set a world record for shortest distance between operating system releases? I don't mind waiting longer if the results are more profound. Remember how much it came on from say Tiger to Snow Leopard? It's hardly comparable from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.

And besides, they'll exhaust all the cats on earth.

10.9 has been in development since Lion, and thus will have a two year development cycle.

saldin
Mar 6, 2013, 08:12 AM
Installed 1 hour ago and as far as i can see:

- Scrolling in apps like Safari is now very smooth on rMBP (This hasn't been so in past 10.8.3 Beta Builds) :)
- Boot and Shutdown times are blazingly fast :)
- Wifi seems stable :)

I think this (12D76) is the best Beta Build (Maybe it's compiled without debugging -> GM?).

I find it very odd that there were no incremental improvement to boot and shutdown times at all; that up until Beta 12 it kept on sucking like 10.8.0 and it's "blazingly fast" on Beta 13...

Color me incredulous.

John.B
Mar 6, 2013, 08:29 AM
What do you mean by this? I don't have a Fusion Drive, is there an issue with it and the Disk Utility?

The Disk Utility in 10.8.2 isn't Fusion Drive-aware.

There is an updated version of Disk Utility, but it is only available on Macs bought with a factory Fusion Drive.

Although you can configure your own Fusion Drive on some older Macs that have both an SSD and HDD, you can't administer it with the 10.8.2 Disk Utility.

We just need Apple to include the updated version in 10.8.3.

saldin
Mar 6, 2013, 08:34 AM
I don't know what these ******s Apple engineers are doing. It's been close to 9 months for ML now, and they can't seem to iron out any issues. I've rMBP and I've been having system hangs, Safari crashing, graphics glitches and I've spoken to Apple Technical Support on multiple occasions, reinstalled ML and nothing helps. If they take six months to fix the bugs, then how could they claim to release a new OS every year. This wasn't the Apple experience before. I'm not even sure that these ******s Apple engineers and Craig wouldn't introduce 10 new bugs in 10.8.3. It's no longer a pleasing experience using OS X anymore. Apple has become new Microsoft and doesn't want to listen and care about customers.

Truer words haven't been spoken. Lion became usable for me about a year after it's initial release, and now it's been over 7 months after Mountain Lion and we're holding our hopes that 10.8.3 finally fixes the issues we're experiencing.

Jaymes
Mar 6, 2013, 09:04 AM
It's time to introduce 10.9.

We're talking about the operating system of the computer. Something that should be stable, allow you to run apps, and not get in the way. It's not Google Chrome for crying out loud.

This isn't something where a new major version should be released every 6 months. It just causes agony as device manufacturers, software vendors, etc. have to re-release drivers, update apps, rework processes, and so forth to support the new OS. I really think every 12 months is quite aggressive for a new OS, and I was surprised to see Apple move to that model, as it leaves little time for the currently shipping OS to mature.

Any faster than every 12 months for a major OS release, and I think you will drive software developers away from your platform.

treichert
Mar 6, 2013, 09:22 AM
We're talking about the operating system of the computer. Something that should be stable, allow you to run apps, and not get in the way. It's not Google Chrome for crying out loud.

That is why Apple is making sure 10.8.3 is stable and as a result, everybody is complaining about it.

You can't have it both ways...

spaz8
Mar 6, 2013, 09:23 AM
Is OpenGL still stuck at 3.2? Is there any indication 10.8.3 -4 or 10.9 is going to support OpenGL 4 (4.2)?

John.B
Mar 6, 2013, 09:28 AM
Apple are beginning to act more like Microsoft....all these seeds would be patches in Windows..

Microsoft patches aren't regression tested.

ItWasNotMe
Mar 6, 2013, 09:33 AM
We're talking about the operating system of the computer. Something that should be stable, allow you to run apps, and not get in the way. It's not Google Chrome for crying out loud...


But Apple don't bundle just the OS, see earlier in thread about thirty plus apps having changed in this 'point' update.

For example it is now over four months since release of Safari 6.0.2 (8536.26.17). In approx 35 years of IT development and use I struggle to recall anything so poor. Has it been fixed in public release yet? Apples own 'Update Software...' doesn't think so.

lukasz74nj
Mar 6, 2013, 09:35 AM
1. First of all, Apple should allow us to connect non-Apple devices via Display Port. Since 2011 iMac was introduced, this is no longer possible. There is no explanation as to why Thunderbolt port (which is backwards compatible with Display Port) shouldn't accept Display Port signals. For sure, this limitation was put in place intentionally by Apple.

2. Give us a better file manager - Finder is a joke. Replace it with something more useful, or clone Microsoft's file explorer.

3. Embrace Java and Flash and stop fighting these technologies. Adopt Java as the default development environment.

nefan65
Mar 6, 2013, 09:45 AM
1. First of all, Apple should allow us to connect non-Apple devices via Display Port. Since 2011 iMac was introduced, this is no longer possible. There is no explanation as to why Thunderbolt port (which is backwards compatible with Display Port) shouldn't accept Display Port signals. For sure, this limitation was put in place intentionally by Apple.

2. Give us a better file manager - Finder is a joke. Replace it with something more useful, or clone Microsoft's file explorer.

3. Embrace Java and Flash and stop fighting these technologies. Adopt Java as the default development environment.

This is a joke, right???

Rampage Dev
Mar 6, 2013, 09:46 AM
1. First of all, Apple should allow us to connect non-Apple devices via Display Port. Since 2011 iMac was introduced, this is no longer possible. There is no explanation as to why Thunderbolt port (which is backwards compatible with Display Port) shouldn't accept Display Port signals. For sure, this limitation was put in place intentionally by Apple.

2. Give us a better file manager - Finder is a joke. Replace it with something more useful, or clone Microsoft's file explorer.

3. Embrace Java and Flash and stop fighting these technologies. Adopt Java as the default development environment.

You have no idea what you are talking about do you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ftwjSNdI4E

Also you know nothing about the history of Apple or OS X

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This is a joke, right???

It must be.

milo
Mar 6, 2013, 09:48 AM
10.9 would need at least 6 months in beta. Can't imagine they wouldn't release an update for 6 months.

10.8 released about five months after the first public beta. I agree that there will certainly be at least 10.8.4 if not another one too.

Actually, it is thirteen.

Nope, twelve.

32, 38, 43, 44, 50, 54, 58, 61, 65, 68, 74, and now 12d76. That's twelve.


It actually looks like he's right about it being twelve.

12D50 was the fifth beta (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/08/apple-seeds-build-12d50-of-os-x-beta-10-8-3-to-developers/) and 12D54 is listed (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/16/apple-seeds-build-12d54-of-os-x-10-8-3-to-developers/) as the seventh, but I can't find any reference to a sixth build in between those.

There wasn't one in-between, 54 was the sixth. Looks like that's where their count went wrong.

I've said this in other threads about OS X, and I think it's worth repeating here: Apple, as a rule, has never, and never intends to release beta builds of 2 branches of OS X at the same time. This means no 10.9 until 10.8.3 is good and ready.

10.7.5 was in beta at the same time as 10.8 (and some testers had different partitions set up to test both). Soon we'll see 10.9 beta, but soon after that there probably will be a 10.8.4 beta.

Rampage Dev
Mar 6, 2013, 09:49 AM
All I need is a Fusion Drive-compatible Disk Utility. Is that too much to ask?

Its called Terminal:

Diskutil CS list

milo
Mar 6, 2013, 09:51 AM
This isn't something where a new major version should be released every 6 months.

He's not talking about public release of 10.9 now, he means the announcement and the first beta. Public release would be in a few months, a year or slightly more after the last major release.

RedGeminiPA
Mar 6, 2013, 09:51 AM
I had to chuckle at that... not at the joke though.

If it's anything like Apple naming the SIXTH generation iPhone the iPhone 5, it might not be such a chuckle. That made zero sense, other than to feed the media illiteracy.

milo
Mar 6, 2013, 09:54 AM
...naming the SIXTH generation iPhone the iPhone 5...

How pathetic does someone have to be to still not have let that go?

ItWasNotMe
Mar 6, 2013, 09:55 AM
Its called Terminal:


The 21st century command line editor :):D

RedGeminiPA
Mar 6, 2013, 10:01 AM
...particularly with Google innovating as well as they are.

The only thing Google is innovating is how well they can troll the patent office for Apple's (and others) patent applications, come up with their own half-a$$ed version, and rush it half-baked to market to claim Android had it first. If you call that innovation, then I guess that's innovative... :rolleyes:

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How pathetic does someone have to be to still not have let that go?

I've let it go. I was just pointing out someone's comment about an OS X release being 15.x.x.

Not pathetic at all. I'm just stating the obvious.

Solomani
Mar 6, 2013, 10:06 AM
13 must be the lucky number.....

lukasz74nj
Mar 6, 2013, 10:09 AM
You have no idea what you are talking about do you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ftwjSNdI4E


The above link has nothing to do with the problem I described. To clarify, I referred to connecting a non-Apple device (i.e. a laptop) to Thunderbolt port using a Display Port cable (in target display mode). It works fine when using a 2010 iMac but doesn't work at all since 2011 model came out.

milo
Mar 6, 2013, 10:27 AM
I've let it go.

If to you "let it go" means "still whine about it months later". But whatever...

saldin
Mar 6, 2013, 10:28 AM
That is why Apple is making sure 10.8.3 is stable and as a result, everybody is complaining about it.

You can't have it both ways...

Apple can very well keep squashing bugs and holding the release of 10.8.3 forever, but someone has to put his foot down, say enough's enough and ship the danged thing already. Remember Duke Nukem Forever?

Zudeo
Mar 6, 2013, 10:38 AM
This is the beta that never ends.

And it goes on and on my friends... :-)

Twimfy
Mar 6, 2013, 10:59 AM
I get why people would be bothered by start up times but why do shut down times matter to people so much?

Is everyone working right up until the last second before the worlds most important meeting or something?

If it's a Macbook, close the lid and put it to sleep.

If it's an iMac go off and do something else???

I feel like the latest Beta is pretty good but what I really want to see is performance improvements in the Mac AppStore app. I always find it horrendously slow to respond even on a very fast connection.

I kinda wish software updates had never been integrated with the AppStore.

ItWasNotMe
Mar 6, 2013, 11:09 AM
Microsoft patches aren't regression tested.

Disambiguation required - which Steve are you quoting? :)

cbs20
Mar 6, 2013, 11:15 AM
I get why people would be bothered by start up times but why do shut down times matter to people so much?

Is everyone working right up until the last second before the worlds most important meeting or something?

If it's a Macbook, close the lid and put it to sleep.

If it's an iMac go off and do something else???

I feel like the latest Beta is pretty good but what I really want to see is performance improvements in the Mac AppStore app. I always find it horrendously slow to respond even on a very fast connection.

I kinda wish software updates had never been integrated with the AppStore.

Slow shut downs suck when you are trying to boot to Windows via Bootcamp. So, ultimately it makes your boot up time incredibly slow for Windows when you are waiting for OS X to shutdown.

wlossw
Mar 6, 2013, 11:15 AM
I get why people would be bothered by start up times but why do shut down times matter to people so much?

Is everyone working right up until the last second before the worlds most important meeting or something?

If it's a Macbook, close the lid and put it to sleep.

If it's an iMac go off and do something else??

This is 100% correct. I guess the people that are upset reboot their macs dozens of times per day... So waiting must be infuriating? Otherwise I can't think of any reason why shutdown times are relevant.

RedGeminiPA
Mar 6, 2013, 11:21 AM
If to you "let it go" means "still whine about it months later". But whatever...

It appears you're the one who's making a big deal about it. Who's whining? You.

I just stated an obvious FACT about the predictability of Apple's product naming.

It's now time for YOU to let it go...

You're not in kindergarten anymore. You don't have to keep harping over an irrelevant topic like you're trying to convince everyone here how mature you are.

If you can't grasp the basic basis of a comment, you really have issues.

ItWasNotMe
Mar 6, 2013, 11:28 AM
This is 100% correct. I guess the people that are upset reboot their macs dozens of times per day... So waiting must be infuriating? Otherwise I can't think of any reason why shutdown times are relevant.

Because, I don't want to hang around and see if it did...

For example
1. I don't want to hang around to see if "Mail cancelled the shutdown"
2. Or have to wonder whether Time Machine is in a state where it won't ever let the system shutdown (where ever is defined as finding out the next morning its still stuck on the white screen of half-life) and so have to pull the power cord.
3. Etc.

Nor, per earlier in thread do I want to go through stopping all processes, dismounting all the disks,... isn't that what Shutdown itself is supposed to do?

milo
Mar 6, 2013, 11:30 AM
It appears you're the one who's making a big deal about it. Who's whining? You.

I just stated an obvious FACT about the predictability of Apple's product naming.

It's now time for YOU to let it go...

You're not in kindergarten anymore. You don't have to keep harping over an irrelevant topic like you're trying to convince everyone here how mature you are.

If you can't grasp the basic basis of a comment, you really have issues.

Hilarious stuff, thanks for the comic relief. Cheers.

lee27
Mar 6, 2013, 12:26 PM
I don't have any of those apps installed. Shutdown still can take 25 seconds, even if I'm not connected to internet. (When you are offline no iCloud syncing occurs anyway). So it's still inconsistent. Not that I have any problems with 25 sec shutdowns. I don't mind.

On my iMac, From shutdown to boot, only takes 22 seconds.

M5RahuL
Mar 6, 2013, 12:37 PM
'Beta-gate' :p

Krazy Bill
Mar 6, 2013, 01:41 PM
Installed 1 hour ago and as far as i can see:

- Scrolling in apps like Safari is now very smooth on rMBP (This hasn't been so in past 10.8.3 Beta Builds) :)
- Boot and Shutdown times are blazingly fast :)
- Wifi seems stable :)

I think this (12D76) is the best Beta Build (Maybe it's compiled without debugging -> GM?).

An hour? Give it some time to grow horns.

My shutdown times are still between 5 and 25 seconds on rMBP and latest beta doesn't effect that either.

See?

For Shutdown times:
Try to quit following apps from the Menu Bar before shutting down:

I get a shutdown time of constantly 4-5 seconds then... I think we should not blame apple for this behavior as Mac OS X is waiting for these apps to correctly close (and perform a "last sync").

The fallacy in your logic is that Snow Leopard running these very same apps does not suffer the same sluggishness during shutdown. (ergo… the fault lies with OSX - check the console logs).

I get why people would be bothered by start up times but why do shut down times matter to people so much?

Don't you have to shut down before you start up? If so then at some point you'll have to get past the long shut down time first. :D

If it's a Macbook, close the lid and put it to sleep.It's a macbook - the battery sucks and "sleep" still requires power. Some of us need every bit of juice between "stops". Even that extra 5% saved over the course of a day can make all the difference.

IKAR0S
Mar 6, 2013, 01:54 PM
Any kind soul is capable of posting the full changelog since 10.8.2, please?
Thanks in advance :rolleyes:

John.B
Mar 6, 2013, 04:11 PM
Its called Terminal:

Diskutil CS list

Reread post #106 from Tashencrabbie (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16951711&postcount=106) in this very thread. It's not just about creating a Fusion Drive, it's also about maintenance after the drive has been configured, BootCamp support for Windows 8, etc.

geircito
Mar 6, 2013, 04:15 PM
The documentation inside Boot Camp Assistant app say:
What you need
- An installation disc with the 64-bit version of Windows 7 Home Premium, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 8, or Windows 8 Pro.

Sadly, when trying to download Windows Support software through Boot Camp Assistant, the download starts, but after a while a popup window comes with the message "This Mac only supports Windows 7. Do you want to continue?". I have a MacBook Pro late 2011 (the latest 17" available; MacBookPro8.3).
Of course I'm already running Windows 8 Pro on my MacBook Pro, using Windows 7 Support software.

Hopefully this will be corrected when 10.8.3 goes public.

cmChimera
Mar 6, 2013, 05:51 PM
I'm not sure what they did in this beta, but mission control is really fast now. It may slow down with a few more windows, but it seems quicker than it used to be.

ghosthaunt11
Mar 6, 2013, 05:56 PM
Because, I don't want to hang around and see if it did...

For example
1. I don't want to hang around to see if "Mail cancelled the shutdown"
2. Or have to wonder whether Time Machine is in a state where it won't ever let the system shutdown (where ever is defined as finding out the next morning its still stuck on the white screen of half-life) and so have to pull the power cord.
3. Etc.

Nor, per earlier in thread do I want to go through stopping all processes, dismounting all the disks,... isn't that what Shutdown itself is supposed to do?

Do you want to know what I think would be a good feature of OS X? It could give users the option to easily program OS X so that when it shuts down or reboots, it will force quit applications automatically if they fail to quit within a certain period of time.

Mr. Wonderful
Mar 6, 2013, 09:06 PM
Is OpenGL still stuck at 3.2? Is there any indication 10.8.3 -4 or 10.9 is going to support OpenGL 4 (4.2)?

Last build, a user stated some extensions for OpenGL 3.3 were added. Haven't heard about this build.

From what I've read, 3.2 and 3.3 essentially backports a lot of the features of 4.0, which would be a big gain for developers. I'm no expert on such things, however.

It might make sense that Apple is working to advance OpenGL again alongside of the release of new Mac support for Quadro cards given that they might be wanting to work toward 4.0 support and the GPU-acceleration features that comes with it.

ultraspiracle
Mar 6, 2013, 09:45 PM
I can confirm, Shutdown and Boot times are blazingly fast. :)

That's the best thing I've heard so far (for my personal qualms with the OS). You guys with a rMBP or SSD know what I mean, and it's only apparent with 10.8.2. HDD users may or may not see the reboot issue, SSD ppl. definitely noticed it.

Wonder if the "fan spike" issue on the Retinas has been addressed with this release?

Shirke
Mar 6, 2013, 10:21 PM
I'M excited about the 10.8.3 update that is coming out! Can you please tell me when! I am pressing the software update button 10 times a day trying to get the update. Please! When?

devastato
Mar 7, 2013, 01:16 AM
I'M excited about the 10.8.3 update that is coming out! Can you please tell me when! I am pressing the software update button 10 times a day trying to get the update. Please! When?

No, we can't tell you.I'm sorry.

Nomax2000
Mar 7, 2013, 01:16 AM
When it is ready. Really easy.

ItWasNotMe
Mar 7, 2013, 04:23 AM
Do you want to know what I think would be a good feature of OS X? It could give users the option to easily program OS X so that when it shuts down or reboots, it will force quit applications automatically if they fail to quit within a certain period of time.

Sort of what the VM on my Mac does - tells the app to close, after a very short while - if app is still there then asks me what I want to do. If app closes in the meantime while VM is waiting a response from me, the VM closes the dialog box as there is no longer any point in asking me and just gets on with shutting down. Smart.

What Apple does is - let me select shutdown, have me confirm it on a dialog box and let someone that wrote the Mail code decide no we are not going to do that.:mad:

bmurot
Mar 7, 2013, 08:26 AM
Hi, does someone know if the sound stuttering trouble is still fixed (and the CPU overload which goes with it of course) ? https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4149309?start=135&tstart=0
Thx

RedGeminiPA
Mar 7, 2013, 11:21 AM
Hi, does someone know if the sound stuttering trouble is still fixed (and the CPU overload which goes with it of course) ? https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4149309?start=135&tstart=0
Thx

Have you read anywhere that 10.8.3 addressed this issue? If so, I'd assume the fix is good to go, since Apple released this build to their employees - signaling final beta before release.

Krazy Bill
Mar 7, 2013, 12:24 PM
I'm not sure what they did in this beta, but mission control is really fast now. It may slow down with a few more windows, but it seems quicker than it used to be.Fortunately, the side effect of installing any update is that it also takes care of some system housekeeping. This almost always results in some kind of perceived boost in performance. Even a clean reinstall of the current 10.8.2 plagued with bugs will zip along for a while. 10.8.3 needs to stand the "test of time" before I'll believe it.

I will probably wait a week before upgrading while I evaluate what users say and weight those comments against the new problems every update brings.

cmChimera
Mar 7, 2013, 01:00 PM
Fortunately, the side effect of installing any update is that it also takes care of some system housekeeping. This almost always results in some kind of perceived boost in performance. Even a clean reinstall of the current 10.8.2 plagued with bugs will zip along for a while. 10.8.3 needs to stand the "test of time" before I'll believe it.

I will probably wait a week before upgrading while I evaluate what users say and weight those comments against the new problems every update brings.

That's fair, but this is the first time I've noted this from the multiple 10.8.3 betas I've installed, and it still seems to be applicable.

epelba01
Mar 7, 2013, 03:07 PM
10.8.3 today? Fingers crossed.

I think we will only see ios updates for pages, numbers and keynote...it is more important...NOT

kensic
Mar 7, 2013, 04:22 PM
i hate the shut down time inconsistency. sometimes it shuts down fast..sometimes it slow.!!!!

strukt
Mar 7, 2013, 04:53 PM
For what its worth: (I havent read the whole thread)

I have installed this: os_x_10.8.3_build_12d76_combo_update.dmg on my 15" rMBP and my general feel is that things work better.

For instance I had some strange behaviour in Safari. Websites and forms could sometimes just look garbeled. This is now fixed. Also scrolling on websites seem snappier (its a new version of Safari in this update: 6.0.3).

Havent really had the time to test so much else but it seems to work better at least.

Irishman
Mar 7, 2013, 05:19 PM
Is there any indication in the latest builds that Apple might offer a substantive upgrade to OpenGL, maybe to version 4?

Risco
Mar 7, 2013, 05:52 PM
Is there any indication in the latest builds that Apple might offer a substantive upgrade to OpenGL, maybe to version 4?

No.

Irishman
Mar 7, 2013, 06:11 PM
No.

I was afraid you might say that.

Is that something that they typically play closer to the vest?

w0lf
Mar 7, 2013, 06:54 PM
I was afraid you might say that.

Is that something that they typically play closer to the vest?

Apple is just notoriously slow with adding OpenGL. OpenGL 3.3 came out 3 years ago and yet they are just now starting to add some support for it. Why they're so slow with adding support is something only they would know, probably has to do with the fact that macs have never really been seen or marketed as beng ideal gaming machines.

If you ever want to get some detailed info on the graphics drivers of your current OS check out OpenGL Extension Viewer (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/opengl-extensions-viewer/id444052073?mt=12).

Here what it's showing for me on 12D76

Core features
v3.0 (100 % - 23/23)

v3.1 (100 % - 8/8)

v3.2 (100 % - 10/10)

v3.3 (50 % - 5/10)

v4.0 (0 % - 0/14)

v4.1 (14 % - 1/7)

v4.2 (0 % - 0/12)

v4.3 (0 % - 0/1)


OpenGL driver version check (Current: 3.2 NVIDIA-8.10.42 304.10.65f03, Latest known: 3.2 NVIDIA-8.10.42 304.10.65f03):
Latest version of display drivers found
According the database, you are running the latest display drivers for your video card.


sshhoott
Mar 7, 2013, 08:29 PM
Looks like no show for this week. :(

Maybe next mid-week it's gonna be launched?

Badagri
Mar 7, 2013, 09:10 PM
Looks like no show for this week. :(

Maybe next mid-week it's gonna be launched?

I'm going with the, it'll be released when it's released and let the guinea pigs test it out when it's officially released.

sshhoott
Mar 8, 2013, 12:35 AM
I'm going with the, it'll be released when it's released and let the guinea pigs test it out when it's officially released.

I've been a guinea pig since July 25, 2012. Next week, its time to turn back to a human with OS X 10.8.3. :D

Trimarco
Mar 8, 2013, 01:51 AM
Can anyone tell me how the following Apps perform in 12D76 on a MBPr, preferably 15”:
- Preview (scrolling in large PDF's)
- Mail (scrolling in large mail threads)
- Safari (scrolling on large web pages)
- Calendar (all animations, especially swiping between months)

Also, how is the general UI performing? Mission Control, swiping between desktops, etc.? If someone could please do the following test in 12D76: Open QuickTime -> File -> New Screen Recording and start doing a screen recording. Then go in and out of Mission Control, swipe a bit between desktops and see how it generally performs. In 10.8.2 this action makes the machine practically useless as it takes up to 5-10 seconds just to open up Mission Control. Maybe I should add, that this action performs perfectly on a MB Air.

If anyone could please post something about these performance issues, it would be extremely helpful.

81Steven
Mar 8, 2013, 12:19 PM
any chance they release 10.8.3 today?

Peace
Mar 8, 2013, 12:23 PM
any chance they release 10.8.3 today?

Highly unlikely. Point releases have almost always come on a Wednesday or Thursday.

wrldwzrd89
Mar 8, 2013, 12:24 PM
any chance they release 10.8.3 today?
Based on prior postings in this thread and in others, I foresee a release either today or next Tuesday. (Apple rarely releases stuff on Mondays.)

Highly unlikely. Point releases have almost always come on a Wednesday or Thursday.
Did not know that. Thanks for sharing!

milo
Mar 8, 2013, 12:41 PM
Highly unlikely. Point releases have almost always come on a Wednesday or Thursday.

There have been monday and tuesday releases (though more of them longer ago), but I don't think they've ever done a point release of OSX on a Friday.

Peace
Mar 8, 2013, 12:42 PM
There have been monday and tuesday releases (though more of them longer ago), but I don't think they've ever done a point release of OSX on a Friday.

Ya. I know Apple did some Monday or Tuesday releases but over the past year or two they've always done it on Wednesday or Thursday.

bekiil
Mar 8, 2013, 12:57 PM
Tuesday apple will present the new Mac Pro, thursday they will release 10.8.3 while start shipping MP. :)

50548
Mar 8, 2013, 01:52 PM
Day between os x updates

1. 165 days, 10.4.8 - 10.4.9
2. 153 days so far,10.8.2SU - 10.8.3
3. 148 days, 10.5.6 - 10.5.7
4. 148 days, 10.6.4 - 10.6.5
5. 147 days, 10.4.10 - 10.4.11
6. 140, 10.6.2 - 10.6.3
7. 133, 10.7.4 - 10.7.5
8. 112 10.7.2 - 10.7.3
9. 111, 10.4.2 -10.4.3
10. 107, 10.5.2 - 10.5.3

Keep it going for 2 weeks and we'll have a new record!

(If you go by the original 10.8.2, it's been 168 days!)

In proportion, I think 10.8.3 can ALREADY be considered the longest-running beta ever - and why? Because, if I am not mistaken, 10.4.9 was just a bug fix launched when Leopard was already around.

This time we don't have 10.9 out for the masses, so the effect of this slow development cycle can be felt much more strongly now - 10.8 is THE current OS X version and people ARE waiting for substantial system-level corrections.

cjmillsnun
Mar 8, 2013, 03:42 PM
I'm fed up with the impatience of some people.

Had Apple released this before it was ready you would've moaned.

Apple are taking their time and perhaps doing some decent regression testing with this release and you're moaning your arses off.

Grow up and accept that sometimes these things take time to get right.

Michael Goff
Mar 8, 2013, 04:06 PM
I'm fed up with the impatience of some people.

Had Apple released this before it was ready you would've moaned.

Apple are taking their time and perhaps doing some decent regression testing with this release and you're moaning your arses off.

Grow up and accept that sometimes these things take time to get right.

So you're going to be the first to cast a stone if 18.8.3 comes out and subsequently breaks something, right?

After all, they're taking this time to "get it right".

Milltek
Mar 8, 2013, 05:09 PM
After all, they're taking this time to "get it right".

Hoisted with his/her own petard!!!!!

CBlakeston
Mar 8, 2013, 11:08 PM
Looking forward to the public release. If this has been seeded to apple employees as the story suggests I'd expect we'd see the public release in the next week or two!

JackieTreehorn
Mar 9, 2013, 01:44 AM
Couldn't wait anymore so I installed this D76 beta - rock solid so far.

Mike MA
Mar 9, 2013, 05:03 AM
So you're going to be the first to cast a stone if 18.8.3 comes out and subsequently breaks something, right?

After all, they're taking this time to "get it right".

Wasn't he stating the same?

Dordt
Mar 9, 2013, 06:04 AM
I installed 12D76 yesterday on my Macbook Air Mid 2012.
I notice an temp increase about 10 degrees C (now 77) doing only Eye Tv, Safari 6.0.3. browsing (no flash etc). Normally under 10.8.2 using these progs it was about 63 degrees C.

50548
Mar 9, 2013, 06:28 AM
I installed 12D76 yesterday on my Macbook Air Mid 2012.
I notice an temp increase about 10 degrees C (now 77) doing only Eye Tv, Safari 6.0.3. browsing (no flash etc). Normally under 10.8.2 using these progs it was about 63 degrees C.

So are they "getting it right" this time? ;)

Point is: the more you change, the more dependencies you risk messing with. The fact that 10.8.3 is taking a long time to launch does NOT necessarily mean it will be much more stable than other OS X versions...especially considering that Apple's focus nowadays is way away from OS X. Probably their development team is 1/20 of iOS's these days.

cjmillsnun
Mar 9, 2013, 06:31 AM
Hoisted with his/her own petard!!!!!

Actually I wasn't

It's quite obvious that there have been issues reported back that Apple have considered showstoppers.

Apple have responded correctly by not releasing something that would have these issues.

But no release is perfect. There will be issues that are not found on Beta testing or on Apple's internal QA. Or they will have been found but will have been confirmed as a minor issue in Apple's opinion or an edge case.

And notice my use of the word perhaps in my original post (it is an unedited post).

AnonMac50
Mar 9, 2013, 07:08 AM
In proportion, I think 10.8.3 can ALREADY be considered the longest-running beta ever - and why? Because, if I am not mistaken, 10.4.9 was just a bug fix launched when Leopard was already around.

This time we don't have 10.9 out for the masses, so the effect of this slow development cycle can be felt much more strongly now - 10.8 is THE current OS X version and people ARE waiting for substantial system-level corrections.

10.4.9 was out before Leopard. Also 10.4.10. 10.4.11 came the day before 10.5.1 came out though.

Krazy Bill
Mar 9, 2013, 08:22 AM
It's quite obvious that there have been issues reported back that Apple have considered showstoppers.

Apple have responded correctly by not releasing something that would have these issues.These "showstoppers" would surely have been fixed in the first two betas. After all, 10.8.2 has been out in the public for a while now. The subsequent 10 or so betas leads me to believe Apple has introduced more issues in each release or... they simply can't get these showstoppers corrected. All a guess of course but the lapse of "time" does not necessarily suggest caution on Apple's part.

Personally, I think the 2 people left on the OSX team are also responsible for fetching Tim Cook's dry-cleaning and also the landscaping on the Cupertino campus. Hence the delay. (And since Petunia season is just around the corner I predict a final release next Tuesday).

Michael Goff
Mar 9, 2013, 09:26 AM
They're probably holding it back so they can release the new Mac Pros alongside 10.8.3. >_>

50548
Mar 9, 2013, 09:35 AM
They're probably holding it back so they can release the new Mac Pros alongside 10.8.3. >_>

There won't be new Mac Pros - what will be released are the fabled headless xMacs.

chrfr
Mar 9, 2013, 09:40 AM
They're probably holding it back so they can release the new Mac Pros alongside 10.8.3. >_>
New hardware gets specific builds of the operating system. This won't be the reason.

irDigital0l
Mar 9, 2013, 05:27 PM
It looks we won't see this being released for a while.

Makes me think we wont see OS X 10.9 until WWDC. ML got a preview in Feb.

sigh

sshhoott
Mar 10, 2013, 04:36 AM
People who are saying that Apple allocates only a fraction of their team to OS X and puts most of the team for developing for iOS: Is there any evidence of this anywhere on the internet?

Would be great if you can find that, as, I, myself would like to know how many resources Apple really allocates for OS X. For me, this is probably one of the biggest factors in purchasing the next Mac because it shows what direction the company is heading in. I would expect premium software from a premium machine.

vea1083
Mar 10, 2013, 09:50 PM
Well, another week begins and we again play the 10.8.3 release date guess game. I am under the impression that we will see the release either tomorrow, Tuesday, or Wednesday. Although, I am inclined to believe Apple will make a release on Tuesday because it will mark one week after the 12th Beta.

I can't wait to see what stability fixes 10.8.3 will bring to my Mac.

satcomer
Mar 11, 2013, 11:17 AM
It looks we won't see this being released for a while.

Makes me think we wont see OS X 10.9 until WWDC. ML got a preview in Feb.

sigh

Probably OS X 10.9 will be previewed at WWDC with a Sept/Oct release.

Andreasen
Mar 11, 2013, 03:58 PM
i welcome it :D

DMH3006
Mar 12, 2013, 07:31 AM
Been using it on my MBP 2010 13' and it seems to work very well,while from time to time the animation isn't very smooth,the memory usage is definitely way better as usually safari would just eat active and inactive memory and now it keeps it at a low 300MB-400MB of RAM.

Also around 25s-28s to shutdown and between 55s-1m to boot and be ready to use(although its still somewhat laggy for 10s-20s afterwards) and this using an 5400rpm HDD.

Verloc
Mar 12, 2013, 10:03 AM
Been using it on my MBP 2010 13' and it seems to work very well,while from time to time the animation isn't very smooth,the memory usage is definitely way better as usually safari would just eat active and inactive memory and now it keeps it at a low 300MB-400MB of RAM.


Only took 2+ years, if true. Way to go, Apple! :rolleyes:

swissmann
Mar 12, 2013, 10:26 AM
It's got to be this week right? (I've been saying that for about 6 weeks now). Anyone want to place their vote:
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
At least another week

I'm guessing Wednesday but wouldn't mind it Tuesday (6 weeks ago).

epelba01
Mar 12, 2013, 10:36 AM
I would like to see it today. It has been a long time coming. I want my wake on lan to start working again. It has not worked since 10.7.2 and from what I have read 10.8.3 finally fixes it.

Come on Apple release it already.

ghosthaunt11
Mar 12, 2013, 12:17 PM
It's got to be this week right? (I've been saying that for about 6 weeks now). Anyone want to place their vote:
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
At least another week

I'm guessing Wednesday but wouldn't mind it Tuesday (6 weeks ago).

I vote today, which is Tuesday.

Vip
Mar 12, 2013, 12:19 PM
I vote today, which is Tuesday.

seconded old chap!

ghosthaunt11
Mar 12, 2013, 12:23 PM
Come on Apple release it already.

Agreed. If seeding it to employees indicates that it is the final build, they need to release it this week.

mattburley7
Mar 12, 2013, 12:30 PM
i dont think it will be out today because its already past when they typically do updates which is 10:00 am PST.

lcmazza
Mar 12, 2013, 12:38 PM
12d78 available now!!! Pre release.

It starts all over again.

Lol

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 12:44 PM
It's got to be this week right? (I've been saying that for about 6 weeks now). Anyone want to place their vote:
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
At least another week

I'm guessing Wednesday but wouldn't mind it Tuesday (6 weeks ago).

I vote today also!

saldin
Mar 12, 2013, 12:50 PM
12d78 available now!!! Pre release.

It starts all over again.

Lol

You have to be joking... :eek:

name99
Mar 12, 2013, 03:31 PM
This is 100% correct. I guess the people that are upset reboot their macs dozens of times per day... So waiting must be infuriating? Otherwise I can't think of any reason why shutdown times are relevant.

It's not JUST that the shutdown times are a problem; it's that they are symptomatic of a bigger issue.

What SHOULD happen is the app is told "shutdown", it saves some small amount of state, and the kernel kills the process. If that does not happen, then it means the app is not responding appropriately to kernel messages; which in turn means that when the kernel force kills it, there may be unsaved state which is not pushed out to disk. Then next time you start the app you learn the happy news that some file or other is inconsistent and needs to be deleted.

Now, sure, if this happens for third party apps, there is nothing Apple can do about that. (Except name and shame them...)
But it doesn't only happen for 3rd party apps. Mail is a NOTORIOUS example for not handling shutdowns properly. Safari used to be a problem, though I don't think I've had an issue with the most recent version. Screen Sharing sometimes gets confused at shut down.

There are also strange HW things that occasionally seem to happen at the kernel level where, after all apps are killed, the screen just stays grey showing a spinner for 60 seconds. WTF is going on there? If data is being pushed out from caches to disk, the process is taking way too long, which suggests that something else is going wrong --- which again is very worrying --- the last thing you want is for your HD to be in some sort of inconsistent state during a period as delicate as shutdown/startup.

----------

People who are saying that Apple allocates only a fraction of their team to OS X and puts most of the team for developing for iOS: Is there any evidence of this anywhere on the internet?

Would be great if you can find that, as, I, myself would like to know how many resources Apple really allocates for OS X. For me, this is probably one of the biggest factors in purchasing the next Mac because it shows what direction the company is heading in. I would expect premium software from a premium machine.

It's a somewhat meaningless distinction. Things have been pioneered on iOS and moved to OSX, or vice versa. At the core OS level, for example, ledgers (resource management), sandboxing and location have all moved from iOS to OSX, likewise for the Layer Manager and Core Animation at the UI level.

And of course tools (LLVM and all its toolchain pieces, XCode) apply to both --- eg blocks and other such improvements to Objective C, or optimizations past and future (coming up soon we'll have better auto-vectorization in LLVM, polyhedral optimization [restructuring loops for better cache behavior], and more aggressive link-time whole program restructuring/optimization).

Valkyre
Mar 13, 2013, 04:41 AM
This thread is a mess....

People seem to be interested more about whinning and complaining about apple's software release policy, instead of ACTUAL IMPORTANT stuff that people need to hear about and get an answer like THIS:

Can anyone tell me how the following Apps perform in 12D76 on a MBPr, preferably 15”:
- Preview (scrolling in large PDF's)
- Mail (scrolling in large mail threads)
- Safari (scrolling on large web pages)
- Calendar (all animations, especially swiping between months)

Also, how is the general UI performing? Mission Control, swiping between desktops, etc.? If someone could please do the following test in 12D76: Open QuickTime -> File -> New Screen Recording and start doing a screen recording. Then go in and out of Mission Control, swipe a bit between desktops and see how it generally performs. In 10.8.2 this action makes the machine practically useless as it takes up to 5-10 seconds just to open up Mission Control. Maybe I should add, that this action performs perfectly on a MB Air.

If anyone could please post something about these performance issues, it would be extremely helpful.

So if people could actually start replying to such posts and inform us about the actual improvements that everyone is waiting... yeah... that would be great...

a lot of people are waiting for these improvements and we want to know whether 10.8.3 has addressed them.