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Mar 12, 2013, 12:46 PM
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One week after the previous seed (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/05/apple-seeds-build-12d76-of-os-x-beta-10-8-3-to-developers/), Apple today released a new build of OS X 10.8.3 to developers. The latest version, which arrives as build 12D78, represents the 13th developer seed since Apple began developer testing last November (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/26/apple-seeds-first-beta-of-os-x-10-8-3-to-developers/).

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/03/12d78.jpg
As with previous builds, Apple is asking developers to focus their testing on AirPlay, AirPort, Game Center, Graphics Drivers, and Safari.

We had previously heard that Apple was seeding the prior 12D76 build to employees, suggesting that a public release might be imminent, but it seems that Apple is continuing to make final tweaks to the operating system update.

Article Link: OS X 10.8.3 Build 12D78 Seeded to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/12/os-x-10-8-3-build-12d78-seeded-to-developers/)



Freshmixture
Mar 12, 2013, 12:48 PM
For "F" sake Apple, are you growing a garden or what?

Hungry&Foolish
Mar 12, 2013, 12:49 PM
I am Lovin this. WOW

PBP
Mar 12, 2013, 12:49 PM
Lol

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 12:49 PM
Nothing to see here folks........

Prof.
Mar 12, 2013, 12:49 PM
If this update isn't perfect, I'm gonna ****.

How many is this now?!

Yaboze
Mar 12, 2013, 12:50 PM
Holy Smokes....this is unbelievable.

madsci954
Mar 12, 2013, 12:50 PM
Thirteenth time's the charm?

nfl46
Mar 12, 2013, 12:50 PM
Lmao.

jamestechtaylor
Mar 12, 2013, 12:50 PM
Seriously what are you waiting for apple ?? just release it or tell us of os x 10.9

Going Digital
Mar 12, 2013, 12:50 PM
This is really taking the Biscuit now!

Eithanius
Mar 12, 2013, 12:52 PM
Boring...!!!

saldin
Mar 12, 2013, 12:53 PM
It's like Apple won't update 10.8 ever again, so they're making this 10.8.3 update count. :confused:

anthonyjr
Mar 12, 2013, 12:56 PM
I look for the release news every Tuesday and Wednesday, only to find that developers have another seed. Apple could have released 10.8.3 and 10.8.4 by this point !

ScottishDuck
Mar 12, 2013, 12:56 PM
I'd be bracing for 10.8.3 to be the last update before 10.9 after this.

Codyak
Mar 12, 2013, 12:56 PM
That Russian troll song could almost be appropriate about now.

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 12:57 PM
If this update isn't perfect, I'm gonna ****.

How many is this now?!

This update won't fix everything and it won't be perfect, and by the way Apple are dragging 10.8.3 through release after release, it doesn't appear that it will bring any joy this week.

Schmitty11
Mar 12, 2013, 12:57 PM
And I had Chick-fil-a for lunch.

epelba01
Mar 12, 2013, 12:59 PM
This is just ridiculous. I have had wake on LAN issues ever since 10.7.2 and have done troubleshooting GALORE with Apple and at no point did anyone ever admit that it is their software issue. Finally I read that it fixes it in 10.8.3 and still waiting. What happened to IT JUST WORKS? It seems that it is a thing of the past.

swissmann
Mar 12, 2013, 12:59 PM
I've gone from
Anticipation
Frustration
Humor
and now going toward Anger.

At least let the dev's know what's wrong with it so they can help track it down.

BigJohno
Mar 12, 2013, 01:00 PM
Maybe there is something about the Mac Pro in the beta...

Cougarcat
Mar 12, 2013, 01:02 PM
Maybe there is something about the Mac Pro in the beta...

It has ATI 7xxx graphics drivers.

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 01:02 PM
At least let the dev's know what's wrong with it so they can help track it down.

Is that like admitting there's something wrong in the first place?

leo.andres.21
Mar 12, 2013, 01:04 PM
I hope this version is really polished because otherwise, Apple's wasting everyone's time.

swissmann
Mar 12, 2013, 01:06 PM
Day between os x updates

1. 165 days, 10.4.8 - 10.4.9
2. 160 days so far,10.8.2SU - 10.8.3
3. 148 days, 10.5.6 - 10.5.7
4. 148 days, 10.6.4 - 10.6.5
5. 147 days, 10.4.10 - 10.4.11
6. 140, 10.6.2 - 10.6.3
7. 133, 10.7.4 - 10.7.5
8. 112 10.7.2 - 10.7.3
9. 111, 10.4.2 -10.4.3
10. 107, 10.5.2 - 10.5.3

Keep it going for 1 week and we'll have a new record!

(If you go by the original 10.8.2, it's been 175 days!)

I updated with new calculations (hope I got them right). Anyway if accurate crazy compared to the other top spots which were not anywhere as early as .2 to .3 releases.

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 01:07 PM
I wonder what the initial adoption rate of 10.9 will look like....... If it takes this long to get widespread issues fixed, I'm probably going to wait for 10.9.3 before upgrading.

parish
Mar 12, 2013, 01:07 PM
Hmm, judging by the number of betas I wonder if this "10.8.3" really 10.9 in disguise :p

Northgrove
Mar 12, 2013, 01:10 PM
I will laugh so hard if they discover problems with this update soon after the release.

Sayer
Mar 12, 2013, 01:10 PM
Scumbag Apple:

Seeds 13 (or more) 10.8.3 dev builds, ships final version with massive hardware/performance/data deletion bug that no one ran across in previous 13 (or more) dev builds.

Could happen.

coder12
Mar 12, 2013, 01:12 PM
Considering how much the last build fixed, I'm hoping this will have the same results.

It's worth the wait!

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 01:13 PM
What's the big deal in trying to fix everything in one release. If they have fixes for bugs in past and present beta releases, why don'y they just release them.

I don't care if the have releases every week, improving the performance of Apple hardware/software should be Apple's goal here, not doing it all in one release.

andrezuppe
Mar 12, 2013, 01:14 PM
What about the slooow shutdown times??
Has that issue been fixed?
I hope in a positive answer from you... beta tester guys!!! ;)
Bye,
Andrea

Peace
Mar 12, 2013, 01:15 PM
What about the slooow shutdown times??
Has that issue been fixed?
I hope in a positive answer from you... beta tester guys!!! ;)
Bye,
Andrea

Who..
Cares...
About...
Slow...
Shutdowns...

:confused:

moderngamenewb
Mar 12, 2013, 01:15 PM
Scumbag Apple:

Seeds 13 (or more) 10.8.3 dev builds, ships final version with massive hardware/performance/data deletion bug that no one ran across in previous 13 (or more) dev builds.

You should make that a meme

pauliaK
Mar 12, 2013, 01:16 PM
I will laugh so hard if they discover problems with this update soon after the release.
That's what I thought after seeing this article poping up :-)

wlossw
Mar 12, 2013, 01:17 PM
I logged on to check 10.8.3 news... Not the News I was expecting. I laughed so hard when I read that headline!

TheTissot11
Mar 12, 2013, 01:17 PM
It looks like either Apple has got no real software engineers or they have just discovered 1000 more bugs in ML. In any case, I want to hear something from ignoramus Apple fanboys who wouldn't waste a single second to assert that 10.8.2 is most stable release ever! I'm getting crazy over this beta stuff. WTF! Why sell a new OS when you can't even fix the bugs in the current OS. What was the point to release ML and announce to release a new OS every year. If Lion was continuously developed and supported that would have a far better experience than ML. **** you Apple!

rikscha
Mar 12, 2013, 01:18 PM
Does this fix the rmbp? Would be great! I paid a lot of cash for it and it still lags like hell.

Shrink
Mar 12, 2013, 01:19 PM
WOW!:eek:

The fine art of whining has reached a new zenith!

TheTissot11
Mar 12, 2013, 01:20 PM
I wonder what the initial adoption rate of 10.9 will look like....... If it takes this long to get widespread issues fixed, I'm probably going to wait for 10.9.3 before upgrading.

I would definitely not buy 10.9. Maybe I wait until they release 10.10! (If they could ever!) With this rate of progress, it looks like Apple is going on Microsoft path!

SamGabbay
Mar 12, 2013, 01:21 PM
I heard they're making a movie about this...

"The NeverEnding Beta"

Staring:

Noah Hathaway
Barret Oliver
Tami Stronach
Moses Gunn
Thomas Hill
Alan Oppenheimer

TheTissot11
Mar 12, 2013, 01:22 PM
Does this fix the rmbp? Would be great! I paid a lot of cash for it and it still lags like hell.

I've been patiently waiting since December 2012 for 10.8.3 that could fix all the issues I have with my rMBP. But does Apple care? I don't think so.

Risco
Mar 12, 2013, 01:22 PM
There has to be something more to it. I reckon there are some big internal arguments going on.

spazzcat
Mar 12, 2013, 01:24 PM
Does this fix the rmbp? Would be great! I paid a lot of cash for it and it still lags like hell.

I have zero lags issues with my rMBP, did you take it to Apple to be checked?

Orlandoech
Mar 12, 2013, 01:25 PM
Apple only cares about iOS and iToys

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 01:26 PM
And the ball-ache in all this is that it's not just a software issue, it's an everyday hardware issue that is affecting a lot of Mac users.

LV426
Mar 12, 2013, 01:31 PM
What about the slooow shutdown times??
Has that issue been fixed?
I hope in a positive answer from you... beta tester guys!!! ;)
Bye,
Andrea

My rMBP shuts down very quickly when I ask it to (10.8.2).

I imagine that when you ask OS X to shut down, it will ask each running process to gracefully shutdown if it can, then issue a kill command if the process fails to terminate after more than a 'reasonable' amount of time has elapsed.

This, of course, depends on the software that you have installed, what processes are running, and what they are doing at the time. All of these factors, amongst others, can affect how long it will take your machine to actually power-down.

daneoni
Mar 12, 2013, 01:32 PM
You guys are hilariously insufferable.

If Apple rushes out the update then you moan that QC is down and no one tested the software before release. If Apple takes its time prepping an update then you cry that its taking too long, they suck, and only care about iOS.

I mean seriously...

iFitzgerald
Mar 12, 2013, 01:34 PM
I've been begging for this update to come, yet, week after week it's just another beta that has been seeded do the developers. It's frustrating!
On one hand I want it to be a solid update and if they really are polishing it, then I understand the need to wait, but on the other hand, I really want to see if this will fix the issues on my MacBook Pro.

smulji
Mar 12, 2013, 01:36 PM
That's it, I'm switching to Android! :rolleyes:

----------

I've been begging for this update to come, yet, week after week it's just another beta that has been seeded do the developers. It's frustrating!
On one hand I want it to be a solid update and if they really are polishing it, then I understand the need to wait, but on the other hand, I really want to see if this will fix the issues on my MacBook Pro.

But I don't it, it has been seeded with no know-issues quite a few times already, why isn't it out already?!

Maybe it'll be released at WWDC :D

uk1simon
Mar 12, 2013, 01:38 PM
Good things come to those that wait........hopefully!! 👍

tdtran1025
Mar 12, 2013, 01:41 PM
I smell sig. Changes to graphics in various models. Updating now.

ghosthaunt11
Mar 12, 2013, 01:46 PM
That's it. I'm through with this. Is there any way that we could all file complaints about this on Apple's website? They would not want any angry customers, so I'm thinking that if they hear all of our complaints, they might FINALLY tell us what is going on.

:mad:

theloon
Mar 12, 2013, 01:50 PM
I wonder what windows 8 looks like, this whole thing is so dull now....

2crazy
Mar 12, 2013, 01:53 PM
Some people really need to get a life. Apple can do betas as often as they want to. They will release it when it's ready.

wildmac
Mar 12, 2013, 01:53 PM
That's it. I'm through with this. Is there any way that we could all file complaints about this on Apple's website and remain anonymous? They would not want any angry customers, so I'm thinking that if they hear all of our complaints, they might FINALLY tell us what is going on.

:mad:

Whaaahh!!!!

R-Flow
Mar 12, 2013, 01:53 PM
That's it. I'm through with this. Is there any way that we could all file complaints about this on Apple's website and remain anonymous? They would not want any angry customers, so I'm thinking that if they hear all of our complaints, they might FINALLY tell us what is going on.

:mad:
You afraid to post a complaint with name? lol

RedGeminiPA
Mar 12, 2013, 01:54 PM
I would definitely not buy 10.9. Maybe I wait until they release 10.10! (If they could ever!) With this rate of progress, it looks like Apple is going on Microsoft path!

Not even close. Microsoft issues a new update for every single "fixed" issue. That's why Windoze users are greeted with an update on what seems like an almost daily basis.

wildmac
Mar 12, 2013, 01:54 PM
I'm really hoping that this is waiting for new hardware.

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 01:54 PM
That's it. I'm through with this. Is there any way that we could all file complaints about this on Apple's website and remain anonymous? They would not want any angry customers, so I'm thinking that if they hear all of our complaints, they might FINALLY tell us what is going on.

:mad:

They have angry customers and they know it, they just don't care because in the scheme of things it's not important to them. I agree this whole charade is a joke and obviously Apple do not rank customer satisfaction high enough when it comes to OSX.

wildmac
Mar 12, 2013, 01:55 PM
You afraid to post a complaint with name? lol

He can't go all nerdrage on them then.. :-)

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 01:56 PM
I'm really hoping that this is waiting for new hardware.

It's not working great for current hardware, I hate to think what problems new hardware will suffer with.

rikscha
Mar 12, 2013, 01:57 PM
I have zero lags issues with my rMBP, did you take it to Apple to be checked?

This is just not true or you are blind.

Jacquesass
Mar 12, 2013, 01:59 PM
They must be having issues with getting the Nvidia GTX690 drivers running OpenGL 4.3 on the MacPro 6,1 ...

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 02:01 PM
Not even close. Microsoft issues a new update for every single "fixed" issue. That's why Windoze users are greeted with an update on what seems like an almost daily basis.

I'd take fixes for my rMBP on a daily basis if it takes care of the wake from LAN issues, the 55 second shutdown, and graphics issues with Safari.... anyday.

T'hain Esh Kelch
Mar 12, 2013, 02:02 PM
That's it. I'm through with this. Is there any way that we could all file complaints about this on Apple's website and remain anonymous? They would not want any angry customers, so I'm thinking that if they hear all of our complaints, they might FINALLY tell us what is going on.

:mad:
I agree! Why didn't they just release 10.8.3 without fixes? I mean, it is just an updated name, it doesn't actually contain anything that needs time to get fixed - It is so unrealistic!

BWhaler
Mar 12, 2013, 02:02 PM
There is a great amount of sloppiness in 10.8—and iOS 6 too—so my hope is this diligence reflects an awakening inside of Apple that quality on the software front is not what it used to be.

Furthermore, I hope this awakening on the software front also applies to innovation. Yes, iOS and OSX are the best operating systems in the market—today. But Google is innovating at a rapid rate and closing the gap.

Quality and execution is where Tim Cooke should shine.

Yamcha
Mar 12, 2013, 02:02 PM
I know people are itching to get the update to resolve a lot of the issues. But If Apple rushed it I suspect some of the issues will stick around until the next update.

So it's probably for the best that Apple is taking it's time.

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 02:05 PM
There is a great amount of sloppiness in 10.8—and iOS 6 too—so my hope is this diligence reflects an awakening inside of Apple that quality on the software front is not what it used to be.

Furthermore, I hope this awakening on the software front also applies to innovation. Yes, iOS and OSX are the best operating systems in the market—today. But Google is innovating at a rapid rate and closing the gap.

Quality and execution is where Tim Cooke should shine.

In reflection of your comments, my hope is that there is in fact diligence at play here.

spoonie1972
Mar 12, 2013, 02:07 PM
does anyone know if this fixes core-audio bugs in ML?

TheGreenBastard
Mar 12, 2013, 02:20 PM
I heard their making a movie about this...

"The NeverEnding Beta"

Staring:

Noah Hathaway
Barret Oliver
Tami Stronach
Moses Gunn
Thomas Hill
Alan Oppenheimer

Oh.

Mike MA
Mar 12, 2013, 02:28 PM
I'd be bracing for 10.8.3 to be the last update before 10.9 after this.

I just start worrying how many builds of 10.9.0 will be seeded before the GM will be released some day :rolleyes:

name99
Mar 12, 2013, 02:28 PM
I updated with new calculations (hope I got them right). Anyway if accurate crazy compared to the other top spots which were not anywhere as early as .2 to .3 releases.

Craig Federighi took over OSX at Apple about when 10.8.2 was released.
I am told by people within Apple that he has an engineer's mindset and has been very disappointed with the stream of minor bugs and irritations that built up within Lion and Mountain Lion.

This long delay with 10.8.3 may (let's hope so) confirm this.
It would be nice to believe that, every week, he tries the latest 10.8.3 then comes into the engineering meeting screaming "Does it fix the power management bugs? NO! Does it fix the locationd crashing bugs? NO! Does it fix the Finder caching and displaying out of date information bugs? NO! So go and fscking fix them. Because no way are we EVER shipping again a piece of software as buggy as we have over the past eighteen months --- not as long as I am in charge!"

daveL
Mar 12, 2013, 02:30 PM
Maybe there's something included in the final update that gives away something else Apple has planned, and they're not ready to release it, yet, so they're dragging their feet? Just shooting in the dark.

----------

Craig Federighi took over OSX at Apple about when 10.8.2 was released.
I am told by people within Apple that he has an engineer's mindset and has been very disappointed with the stream of minor bugs and irritations that built up within Lion and Mountain Lion.

This long delay with 10.8.3 may (let's hope so) confirm this.
It would be nice to believe that, every week, he tries the latest 10.8.3 then comes into the engineering meeting screaming "Does it fix the power management bugs? NO! Does it fix the locationd crashing bugs? NO! Does it fix the Finder caching and displaying out of date information bugs? NO! So go and fscking fix them. Because no way are we EVER shipping again a piece of software as buggy as we have over the past eighteen months --- not as long as I am in charge!"

This makes more sense than my thought, above.

ConCat
Mar 12, 2013, 02:34 PM
Who..
Cares...
About...
Slow...
Shutdowns...

:confused:

People who are used to windows machines and are constantly shutting down their macs when they're not in use. :p

Peace
Mar 12, 2013, 02:35 PM
Personally I think Apple lost a lot of software engineers and are in the middle of bringing new ones up to date.

Mike MA
Mar 12, 2013, 02:38 PM
Who..
Cares...
About...
Slow...
Shutdowns...

:confused:

Apparently you :p

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=16629511#post16629511

1member1
Mar 12, 2013, 02:39 PM
Not sure what slow shutdown everyone talking about.. i can see it with older macbook pros but with rmbp its like 3-4 secs..

Hope they get done with 10.8.3 and release it. can't wait for 10.9 preview

Peace
Mar 12, 2013, 02:40 PM
Apparently you :p

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=16629511#post16629511

You didn't see why I posted that ? It was merely a test in response to another post.

iBug2
Mar 12, 2013, 02:41 PM
This is just not true or you are blind.

I don't have any issues with rMBP either. And the last time I checked I have 3.0 myopic vision on both eyes but am certainly not blind.

milo
Mar 12, 2013, 02:42 PM
It's like Apple won't update 10.8 ever again, so they're making this 10.8.3 update count. :confused:

Except there probably will be at least one more 10.8 update.


Apple only cares about iOS and iToys

If that were the case, wouldn't they have just released a buggy 10.8.3 a long time ago instead of putting the work into all these betas?

iBug2
Mar 12, 2013, 02:45 PM
Craig Federighi took over OSX at Apple about when 10.8.2 was released.
I am told by people within Apple that he has an engineer's mindset and has been very disappointed with the stream of minor bugs and irritations that built up within Lion and Mountain Lion.

This long delay with 10.8.3 may (let's hope so) confirm this.
It would be nice to believe that, every week, he tries the latest 10.8.3 then comes into the engineering meeting screaming "Does it fix the power management bugs? NO! Does it fix the locationd crashing bugs? NO! Does it fix the Finder caching and displaying out of date information bugs? NO! So go and fscking fix them. Because no way are we EVER shipping again a piece of software as buggy as we have over the past eighteen months --- not as long as I am in charge!"

Does it fix the Finder not being able to resize windows correctly bug? Sadly still no. :) This is honestly one bug that I'm most annoyed about since Lion hit. 2 years and still not a fix.

smulji
Mar 12, 2013, 02:49 PM
Craig Federighi took over OSX at Apple about when 10.8.2 was released.
I am told by people within Apple that he has an engineer's mindset and has been very disappointed with the stream of minor bugs and irritations that built up within Lion and Mountain Lion.

This long delay with 10.8.3 may (let's hope so) confirm this.
It would be nice to believe that, every week, he tries the latest 10.8.3 then comes into the engineering meeting screaming "Does it fix the power management bugs? NO! Does it fix the locationd crashing bugs? NO! Does it fix the Finder caching and displaying out of date information bugs? NO! So go and fscking fix them. Because no way are we EVER shipping again a piece of software as buggy as we have over the past eighteen months --- not as long as I am in charge!"

On the one hand this is a great thing. On the other hand, shipping is a feature. You'll never squash every bug.

Futurix
Mar 12, 2013, 02:56 PM
Dear Apple,

Can you please release final build of 10.8.3 before the end of the month so I can spend my Easter holidays reinstalling all of my Macs?

I'm going to do it anyway - 10.8.2 or .3, but it would be sweet to update to the latest version without a need to apply another update soon afterwards.

K thx.

50548
Mar 12, 2013, 02:57 PM
For "F" sake Apple, are you growing a garden or what?

They must be joking - with so many long-standing bugs, it can't be true. RELEASE THIS DAMN THING ALREADY!

unobtainium
Mar 12, 2013, 02:57 PM
Does this fix the rmbp? Would be great! I paid a lot of cash for it and it still lags like hell.

Mine doesn't. Try taking it to the genius bar.

UnfetteredMind
Mar 12, 2013, 02:58 PM
Craig Federighi took over OSX at Apple about when 10.8.2 was released.
I am told by people within Apple that he has an engineer's mindset and has been very disappointed with the stream of minor bugs and irritations that built up within Lion and Mountain Lion.

This long delay with 10.8.3 may (let's hope so) confirm this.
It would be nice to believe that, every week, he tries the latest 10.8.3 then comes into the engineering meeting screaming "Does it fix the power management bugs? NO! Does it fix the locationd crashing bugs? NO! Does it fix the Finder caching and displaying out of date information bugs? NO! So go and fscking fix them. Because no way are we EVER shipping again a piece of software as buggy as we have over the past eighteen months --- not as long as I am in charge!"

We can hope! I've certainly noticed (in my tiny little insignificant bit of the world) more issues than I have in the past. They can make my life a bit more inconvenient, but nothing life threatening :p

cmChimera
Mar 12, 2013, 02:58 PM
Craig Federighi took over OSX at Apple about when 10.8.2 was released.
I am told by people within Apple that he has an engineer's mindset and has been very disappointed with the stream of minor bugs and irritations that built up within Lion and Mountain Lion.

This long delay with 10.8.3 may (let's hope so) confirm this.
It would be nice to believe that, every week, he tries the latest 10.8.3 then comes into the engineering meeting screaming "Does it fix the power management bugs? NO! Does it fix the locationd crashing bugs? NO! Does it fix the Finder caching and displaying out of date information bugs? NO! So go and fscking fix them. Because no way are we EVER shipping again a piece of software as buggy as we have over the past eighteen months --- not as long as I am in charge!"

Federighi took over in 2011.

50548
Mar 12, 2013, 02:59 PM
This is just ridiculous. I have had wake on LAN issues ever since 10.7.2 and have done troubleshooting GALORE with Apple and at no point did anyone ever admit that it is their software issue. Finally I read that it fixes it in 10.8.3 and still waiting. What happened to IT JUST WORKS? It seems that it is a thing of the past.

EXACTLY the same here with 10.8.2; plus sandbox messages, Steam issues etc.

unobtainium
Mar 12, 2013, 03:01 PM
This is just not true or you are blind.

The only lag on my 13" rMBP is in Calendar when flipping pages/months. Safari stutters a bit on some sites but it did on my old cMBP as well, especially Tumblr.

spazzcat
Mar 12, 2013, 03:03 PM
This is just not true or you are blind.

Not saying there are not issues, but I have zero lag.

LastMinuteMike
Mar 12, 2013, 03:04 PM
Well, if they really do manage to fix most of the bugs in OS X, the wait will definitely be worth. Imagine having a rock solid OS where nothing ever gets messed up and really works as it was intended to. Sounds pretty good, eh? :rolleyes:

UnfetteredMind
Mar 12, 2013, 03:06 PM
I don't have any issues with rMBP either. And the last time I checked I have 3.0 myopic vision on both eyes but am certainly not blind.

Are we all talking about the same model rMBPs? 13" vs 15" for eg? Just thinking people could be "arguing" about different models.

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 03:07 PM
Well, if they really do manage to fix most of the bugs in OS X, the wait will definitely be worth. Imagine having a rock solid OS where nothing ever gets messed up and really works as it was intended to. Sounds pretty good, eh? :rolleyes:

Sounds amazing! Apple will spoil that with 10.9...

JGRE
Mar 12, 2013, 03:11 PM
The never-ending story...............:mad:

TsMkLg068426
Mar 12, 2013, 03:12 PM
Is Mac OS X 10.8.3 going to come with iPorn? Or expect another beta?:)

name99
Mar 12, 2013, 03:13 PM
Federighi took over in 2011.

Yes, but he took over iOS on October 29, 2012.
It is quite possible that the most problematic irritations in OSX ultimately rely on control over both OSs to get them fixed, given that they share so much code and that some features are introduced first in one, then in the other.

I could imagine, for example, in the past, that if an OSX person wanted to fix say, some aspect of sandboxing that was causing problems for OSX, he was told not to touch that code because it might cause problems for iOS. Now, with a unified head of both OSs, it's easier to get issues like that resolved IF the guy at the top wants them resolved.

smulji
Mar 12, 2013, 03:14 PM
Federighi took over in 2011.

I think he's talking about Federighi taking over the SVP of Software spot after Forstall got canned. That happened late 2012.

Ddyracer
Mar 12, 2013, 03:20 PM
You didn't see why I posted that ? It was merely a test in response to another post.

The point i think is that you care enough to respond :)

Tubamajuba
Mar 12, 2013, 03:25 PM
Considering how much the last build fixed, I'm hoping this will have the same results.

It's worth the wait!

Precisely. If Apple released this sooner, people would inevitably find some bug and complain that Apple should have taken their time.

Oh, and regarding your signature- GO BEARKATS! Just kidding... you beat us two years in a row, you have every right to be proud. :D

cmChimera
Mar 12, 2013, 03:27 PM
Yes, but he took over iOS on October 29, 2012.
It is quite possible that the most problematic irritations in OSX ultimately rely on control over both OSs to get them fixed, given that they share so much code and that some features are introduced first in one, then in the other.

I could imagine, for example, in the past, that if an OSX person wanted to fix say, some aspect of sandboxing that was causing problems for OSX, he was told not to touch that code because it might cause problems for iOS. Now, with a unified head of both OSs, it's easier to get issues like that resolved IF the guy at the top wants them resolved.

Fair point.

Shirke
Mar 12, 2013, 03:28 PM
Easy guys we will releasing in the coming weeks.We have a lot of work to do and we have some pleasant surprise for you on 10.8.3 Build.

jwm
Mar 12, 2013, 03:31 PM
Easy guys we will releasing in the coming weeks.We have a lot of work to do and we have some pleasant surprise for you on 10.8.3 Build.

And the cheque's in the mail!

Wormwolf
Mar 12, 2013, 03:38 PM
Precisely. If Apple released this sooner, people would inevitably find some bug and complain that Apple should have taken their time.

Oh, and regarding your signature- GO BEARKATS! Just kidding... you beat us two years in a row, you have every right to be proud. :D

The bugs will still be there.

theSuit
Mar 12, 2013, 03:39 PM
Does this fix the rmbp? Would be great! I paid a lot of cash for it and it still lags like hell.

I really hope so too. To be honest, my current experience with it is beta-like at best. Slow UI, very glitchy Safari, abysmal 2D+3D graphics performance,... Under bootcamp I have about 4x (!) the framerate in some apps. After finally deciding to get myself a new laptop after 6 years with the previous one, it would be nice to finally have it in working order...

Tubamajuba
Mar 12, 2013, 03:47 PM
The bugs will still be there.

Exactly my point. When people find the first bugs in 10.8.3, they'll ask why Apple didn't just release it sooner. If Apple released it sooner, they would have asked why Apple didn't just wait until it was ready.

We'll never know what critical bugs we avoided by Apple waiting for 10+ seeds to release this update. No piece of software, especially something as complex as an operating system, will ever be bug-free. Still though, I appreciate the effort that Apple is putting in to what would normally be a pretty minor update.

Peace
Mar 12, 2013, 04:08 PM
The point i think is that you care enough to respond :)

Does my response to this post show I care ?

thinkaboutit.

;)

swissmann
Mar 12, 2013, 04:12 PM
Quite the discussion about release sooner with bugs still or take longer and have it be more solid. There will always be bugs but the balance of timing and number/size of bugs is the hard part.

Why can't we have it both ways? Quick release with a stable product?

Maybe Apple just needs to put effort into it (resources, focus, etc.)

Tim talks about Apple making the best products being their focus. Well it needs good hardware and good software to do that. The development of these things need people making them.

I just think Apple needs more quality people to make quality products.

Things like this make me think that Apple is slowly letting things die. It worries me about their future, and stock prices, and products for me to use.

I think they need more of that underdog fight or die attitude they had right around the time the iPod was released.

ghosthaunt11
Mar 12, 2013, 04:12 PM
Easy guys we will releasing in the coming weeks.We have a lot of work to do and we have some pleasant surprise for you on 10.8.3 Build.

Are you really an Apple developer? If you are, prove it.

zeeklancer
Mar 12, 2013, 04:34 PM
Easy guys we will releasing in the coming weeks.We have a lot of work to do and we have some pleasant surprise for you on 10.8.3 Build.

That is not what you said the other day.

I'M excited about the 10.8.3 update that is coming out! Can you please tell me when! I am pressing the software update button 10 times a day trying to get the update. Please! When?

50548
Mar 12, 2013, 04:35 PM
Are you really an Apple developer? If you are, prove it.

Of course he isn't; he is just trolling you.

vmachiel
Mar 12, 2013, 04:35 PM
Hahaha, i'm kind of rooting for the big number of beta's

Let's make 20!

jjhny
Mar 12, 2013, 04:37 PM
Are you really an Apple developer? If you are, prove it.

I think you missed the 'Baghdad Bob' image under his statement (i.e. he was joking).

Actually I want to know if they fixed the annoying notifications calendar issue and the ability to pick a 'snooze' duration.

milo
Mar 12, 2013, 04:38 PM
The bugs will still be there.

Of course there will always be some bugs, but that's missing the whole point.

The reason you keep doing more betas is to get more things fixed. Not to get everything fixed, to get more things fixed.

With any bug fixing process, the balance is always between updates more often with fewer fixes, and updates less often with more fixes. These continued betas simply mean that they have a goal of fixing certain (and enough) things, and they don't feel like those things are fixed to their satisfaction.


Why can't we have it both ways? Quick release with a stable product?

Because some things simply take time, and throwing more resources at it doesn't always help. I guess you've never heard the cliché about getting nine women together to produce a baby in one month.

SVTmaniac
Mar 12, 2013, 04:39 PM
Having recently switched over from a PC to a Mac, I'm finding it hilarious how everyone's life is put on hold for an update. I always heard that Apple fans were sheep, but I never dreamed it was this bad. Here's an idea, go outside, get some sunshine, and whenever the update is ready they will release it.

Ddyracer
Mar 12, 2013, 04:41 PM
Does my response to this post show I care ?

thinkaboutit.

;)


If you respond to any post it shows you have some interest otherwise you wouldn't bother.

The irony that i see is that i'm pointing it out and i care, I certainly wouldn't waste good time arguing if i didn't lol.

luist3k
Mar 12, 2013, 04:45 PM
Craig Federighi took over OSX at Apple about when 10.8.2 was released.
I am told by people within Apple that he has an engineer's mindset and has been very disappointed with the stream of minor bugs and irritations that built up within Lion and Mountain Lion.

This long delay with 10.8.3 may (let's hope so) confirm this.
It would be nice to believe that, every week, he tries the latest 10.8.3 then comes into the engineering meeting screaming "Does it fix the power management bugs? NO! Does it fix the locationd crashing bugs? NO! Does it fix the Finder caching and displaying out of date information bugs? NO! So go and fscking fix them. Because no way are we EVER shipping again a piece of software as buggy as we have over the past eighteen months --- not as long as I am in charge!"

Good old school management is required when empowered employees screw one after another. Trust is gained and lost Applebes.

lunarworks
Mar 12, 2013, 04:52 PM
Having recently switched over from a PC to a Mac, I'm finding it hilarious how everyone's life is put on hold for an update. I always heard that Apple fans were sheep, but I never dreamed it was this bad. Here's an idea, go outside, get some sunshine, and whenever the update is ready they will release it.

That's the same sorta behaviour for fanboys of all stripes.

Microsoft doesn't encounter this sorta problem only because the update train rolls into the station the second Tuesday of each month, on schedule.

JohnDoe98
Mar 12, 2013, 05:01 PM
There has to be something more to it. I reckon there are some big internal arguments going on.

Or it could just be that now that Johnny Ive is in charge he wants patches and releases to be far more polished before they go public?

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I agree! Why didn't they just release 10.8.3 without fixes? I mean, it is just an updated name, it doesn't actually contain anything that needs time to get fixed - It is so unrealistic!

Perhaps they want to release the new Mac Pros imminently and 10.8.3 needs to be loaded onto it? That would mean they better smooth out 10.8.3 instead of having to rely on working on a new 10.8.4 immediately to fix issues with these new systems?

sshhoott
Mar 12, 2013, 05:02 PM
It's not about Apple releasing the update sooner or later, it's about how many engineers they're putting behind OS X compared to iOS because that's what the quality and frequency of the OS X updates depends on.

And how many engineers do they really have behind OS X? That, nobody can really tell us. ;)

Sky Blue
Mar 12, 2013, 05:02 PM
Craig Federighi took over OSX at Apple about when 10.8.2 was released. "

He's been in charge of OS X for over 2 years. He took over iOS when Forstall left.

You would think "people within Apple" would know that!

wrldwzrd89
Mar 12, 2013, 05:05 PM
Wow. I've been involved with Apple for a while, and I've never seen a beta take quite this long. I sure hope Apple's doing it to clean up old bugs that were never fixed, as I have some pet peeve bugs that have been around since Lion. ;)

JohnDoe98
Mar 12, 2013, 05:15 PM
Having recently switched over from a PC to a Mac, I'm finding it hilarious how everyone's life is put on hold for an update. I always heard that Apple fans were sheep, but I never dreamed it was this bad. Here's an idea, go outside, get some sunshine, and whenever the update is ready they will release it.

This is a little too simplistic. Let's be a little more nuanced shall we. Many of us long time Apple users have become accustomed to having very stable and reliable software that works seamlessly with the hardware. However, for some of us, the hardware we purchased in the summer didn't run very efficiently with current software, and since the software is now going to be released on an annual cycle, is the new status quo going to be that we only get roughly 3 months of stability? 10.9.3 or 10.9.4 only to come out 3 months before 10.10?

If they speed up the release cycle to an annual one for OS X, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the major kinks should be ironed out on a faster time scale too. Fixing things at the old rate is no longer as acceptable for a premium product given the new release cycles. There should be a better balance.

Krazy Bill
Mar 12, 2013, 05:30 PM
Some people really need to get a life. Apple can do betas as often as they want to. They will release it when it's ready.Uh... no, they can't.

If something new is broken in 10.8.3 (or they fail to fix something they've known about), do you really think folks are going to wait around for the next 13 rounds of betas before it's fixed?

The longer this takes, the higher the expectations and Apple is setting themselves up for a big fail if they don't meet those expectations. I'd just as soon see them whittle down the bugs bit-by-bit with more frequent updates. At least you'd get "some" of the benefits of those few things that have most likely been fixed since version 2 or 3 of the beta.

The more I think about it the more it sounds like this is the last update we'll ever get before 10.9. (Unless it's about Java :D).

swissmann
Mar 12, 2013, 05:34 PM
Because some things simply take time, and throwing more resources at it doesn't always help. I guess you've never heard the cliché about getting nine women together to produce a baby in one month.

You are right to a degree but in this regard I would venture it is a small degree. If they had more programmers working on it they would probably develop it faster. If I clean my kitchen it takes me longer than if my whole family cleans my kitchen. I think programming is closer to cleaning a kitchen then it is to producing a baby.

DMH3006
Mar 12, 2013, 05:59 PM
You are right to a degree but in this regard I would venture it is a small degree. If they had more programmers working on it they would probably develop it faster. If I clean my kitchen it takes me longer than if my whole family cleans my kitchen. I think programming is closer to cleaning a kitchen then it is to producing a baby.

Not really,sometimes you can have a room full of people and they're simply not able to solve a problem(or atleast solve it in a way that doesn't break anything else)

cmChimera
Mar 12, 2013, 06:01 PM
If something new is broken in 10.8.3 (or they fail to fix something they've known about), do you really think folks are going to wait around for the next 13 rounds of betas before it's fixed?
Yes.

saldin
Mar 12, 2013, 06:06 PM
Last Service Packs for Windows:

NT4 got to SP6
2000 got to SP4
XP got to SP3
Vista got to SP2
7 got to SP1 but could get one more down the road

Last point updates for Mac OS X:

Tiger got to 10.4.11
Leopard got to 10.5.8
Snow Leopard got to 10.6.8
Lion got to 10.7.5

We may well be looking at the last patch for Mountain Lion, which makes me ponder the same thing as TheTissot11: Apple can't realistically sell a new OS every year when they release a buggy, junky OS that takes them over a year to fix. :mad:

wlossw
Mar 12, 2013, 06:08 PM
So has anyone... you know... actually tried this BETA yet?:rolleyes:

Any actual interesting info to share?

swissmann
Mar 12, 2013, 06:08 PM
Not really,sometimes you can have a room full of people and they're simply not able to solve a problem(or atleast solve it in a way that doesn't break anything else)

I agree, that is a possibility but less likely than one person sitting in a room not able to solve a problem.

I just think they could stand to put some more resources into Mac OS X.

InuNacho
Mar 12, 2013, 06:10 PM
I'll stick with SL instead of mucking around in a 2 year beta. I have 10.8.2 installed on a drive on my MP, but it's slow as molasses as it constantly tries to index all my drives.

Peace
Mar 12, 2013, 06:13 PM
It's not about Apple releasing the update sooner or later, it's about how many engineers they're putting behind OS X compared to iOS because that's what the quality and frequency of the OS X updates depends on.

And how many engineers do they really have behind OS X? That, nobody can really tell us. ;)

Funny you mention that. Usually Apple seeded IOS to devs a couple of weeks apart. Beta 6.1.3 hasn't seen any new seed since Feb. 21st.

I still think something big is coming. Hopefully with 6 or more CPU's.

keysofanxiety
Mar 12, 2013, 06:27 PM
Well we know that the new Mac Pro's coming soon. In the previous 10.8.3 betas they had some of the high end ATI & nVidia GPU drivers. I don't have a developer's account so I'd be interested to see if in these betas, the max RAM that OS X can support has perhaps increased (I think it currently clocks out at 96GB RAM, but don't quote me on that). This may be a further indication of a new Mac Pro which possibly has half a TB of RAM or something.

It's one of the reasons that could possibly be contributing to this many builds of 10.8.3. Dunno if anybody shares my sentiments, but it's not something that bothers me too much. I'd rather they took their time and did it properly. :apple:

WhackyNinja
Mar 12, 2013, 06:58 PM
.....What. The. Hell. Apple.

Twimfy
Mar 12, 2013, 07:44 PM
So has anyone... you know... actually tried this BETA yet?:rolleyes:

Any actual interesting info to share?

Previous build was a little buggy for me, dock sometimes got stuck on start up. That seems to have fixed.

Never had a problem with startup or shutdown times so can't really comment.

Seems pretty stable though. Can't complain.

koban4max
Mar 12, 2013, 07:51 PM
i'll be pissed if 10.8.3 is the last update..... this would be the less updates for this os x.

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That's it. I'm through with this. Is there any way that we could all file complaints about this on Apple's website? They would not want any angry customers, so I'm thinking that if they hear all of our complaints, they might FINALLY tell us what is going on.

:mad:

just don't buy apple anymore and you'll be happy.

pknz
Mar 12, 2013, 07:56 PM
i'll be pissed if 10.8.3 is the last update..... this would be the less updates for this os x.

What's the problem with less updates?

bedifferent
Mar 12, 2013, 08:12 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, we may have a record.

briandesmond
Mar 12, 2013, 08:14 PM
All this dev time is a good thing. We'll get something really stable and polished when it releases. Obviously they're putting some good work in or they wouldn't keep dropping betas.

I just hope that after all of this they fix the issue with Nvidia drivers crashing the whole OS when using Pixelmator. (http://www.pixelmator.com/blog/2012/12/06/setback/)

Kashchei
Mar 12, 2013, 08:17 PM
I am of course disappointed that 10.8.3 needs yet another beta, but I'll be happy when it is eventually released bug-free. I guess my main worry is that if Apple is having this much trouble with a point release, what will this mean for something as major as 10.9?

epelba01
Mar 12, 2013, 08:25 PM
What's the likelihood of Thursday public release?

gnurf
Mar 12, 2013, 08:25 PM
So has anyone... you know... actually tried this BETA yet?:rolleyes:

I've been using the beta since the previous one, because of that one bug which irritates me: Safari just died every half hour or so, with not even a bug report popup after it died. This has been fixed.


Any actual interesting info to share?
Beyond the above, not really :P

It's been stable for me since 10.8.2 (which is the first ML version I actually used - had Lion requirements holding me back due to client work). Only Safari crashing in 10.8.2, and stopping that once I upgraded to a beta. All the important software works, the bits of hardware I need extra drivers for is running well.

Looks like it's pure bugfix mode now, but I haven't experienced every bug people have complained about due to some of them applying to only certain Mac models, or because of the alignment of the stars ;)

coder12
Mar 12, 2013, 08:38 PM
Precisely. If Apple released this sooner, people would inevitably find some bug and complain that Apple should have taken their time.

Oh, and regarding your signature- GO BEARKATS! Just kidding... you beat us two years in a row, you have every right to be proud. :D

Haha! I never thought I'd be finding any Bearkat fans on this forum! We might win at football occasionally, but I've never eaten any food as delicious as those Texas BBQs :D

ultraspiracle
Mar 12, 2013, 09:35 PM
People who are used to windows machines and are constantly shutting down their macs when they're not in use. :p

Who cares about shutdown/reboot times? I see your point but I definitely care about it - this is unique to 10.8.2 and really painful for SSD and many Retina users users who were spoiled by short shutdown times in previous releases. My laptop is SSD and portable, thus it gets moved several times a day, has external disks attached, and gets plugged into different hardware every time. You either have to take a lot of time to deal with the hardware each time or just ask the machine to shut down....which is a lot easier if the OS is behaving itself.

HDD users probably do not notice it, since it only adds incrementally to a rather lengthy shutdown time. I'm hoping it's fixed in this release and I am not going to re-install ML until it is. That being said, Lion is "only" adequate but I'd prefer ML if this issue can be resolved. I know this release is taking a long time and many folks have other more urgent issues they want fixed and to install the release, but I think (hope) that the wait will be worth it.

Tubamajuba
Mar 12, 2013, 10:02 PM
Haha! I never thought I'd be finding any Bearkat fans on this forum! We might win at football occasionally, but I've never eaten any food as delicious as those Texas BBQs :D

Why thank you! We're kind of insane with BBQ down here, glad you liked it!

And yep, I'm the only Bearkat I know of on this forum. I also don't see many Bison outside of the FCS forum I go to, so I thought I'd give you a shoutout based on your signature. I hope y'all have another awesome season next year! (Unless and until of course, there's a round 3...)

zhell
Mar 12, 2013, 10:41 PM
Well we know that the new Mac Pro's coming soon.

New Mac Pro is coming only when Intel releases new Xeon chips — if it is coming at all, that is. Might be Tim Cook hinted at a Thunderbolt-connected box to attach to a 27" iMac for all we know.

loptimistk
Mar 12, 2013, 10:44 PM
Who cares about shutdown/reboot times? I see your point but I definitely care about it - this is unique to 10.8.2 and really painful for SSD and many Retina users users who were spoiled by short shutdown times in previous releases. My laptop is SSD and portable, thus it gets moved several times a day, has external disks attached, and gets plugged into different hardware every time. You either have to take a lot of time to deal with the hardware each time or just ask the machine to shut down....which is a lot easier if the OS is behaving itself.

HDD users probably do not notice it, since it only adds incrementally to a rather lengthy shutdown time. I'm hoping it's fixed in this release and I am not going to re-install ML until it is. That being said, Lion is "only" adequate but I'd prefer ML if this issue can be resolved. I know this release is taking a long time and many folks have other more urgent issues they want fixed and to install the release, but I think (hope) that the wait will be worth it.

i am sorry to ruin this for ya, but 12D78 did not fix the slow shutdown bug on my rMBP.

WhackyNinja
Mar 12, 2013, 11:03 PM
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ghosthaunt11
Mar 12, 2013, 11:27 PM
i am sorry to ruin this for ya, but 12D78 did not fix the slow shutdown bug on my rMBP.

Does that mean that we will probably see ANOTHER beta next week?

iBug2
Mar 12, 2013, 11:46 PM
Does that mean that we will probably see ANOTHER beta next week?

No. It means that the slow shutdown is down below on Apple's priority list and probably won't be fixed soon.

thomaskc
Mar 13, 2013, 12:59 AM
I just really wish we would see an updated Nvidia driver version in this build, but so far in the previous beta nothing has really changed.

The overall version is still 304.xx which for PC was released back in July 2012.

jwm
Mar 13, 2013, 01:32 AM
Or it could just be that now that Johnny Ive is in charge he wants patches and releases to be far more polished before they go public?

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Perhaps they want to release the new Mac Pros imminently and 10.8.3 needs to be loaded onto it? That would mean they better smooth out 10.8.3 instead of having to rely on working on a new 10.8.4 immediately to fix issues with these new systems?

or maybe we have to wait for 10.8.3 to be mentioned in the New Year's Honours list!

koban4max
Mar 13, 2013, 03:07 AM
What's the problem with less updates?

Try looking back to sl days with many updates to improve.

Twimfy
Mar 13, 2013, 04:55 AM
I've had no issues with 10.8.2 or 10.8.3 however I would still like to see the Mac AppStore get some attention.

Even on a fast connection it has got to be the slowest and most unresponsive piece of Apple software around.

theSuit
Mar 13, 2013, 05:22 AM
The only lag on my 13" rMBP is in Calendar when flipping pages/months. Safari stutters a bit on some sites but it did on my old cMBP as well, especially Tumblr.

The thing is, it shouldnt' do that! I changed the resolution to non-retina levels (not scaled, but actual 1400x900), and it still lags. I don't really care *why*, but a quad-core machine with 1GB graphics memory and a graphics card that can easily handle Crysis 2 shouldn't stutter when displaying ANY 2D stuff. (I've got the 15", but the 13"'s integrated HD4000 is pretty capable too. If it's really not possible to get that eyecandy to run smoothly on a machine with this power, they should do away with the skeuomorphism altogether.

JGRE
Mar 13, 2013, 05:31 AM
My rMBP shuts down very quickly when I ask it to (10.8.2).

I imagine that when you ask OS X to shut down, it will ask each running process to gracefully shutdown if it can, then issue a kill command if the process fails to terminate after more than a 'reasonable' amount of time has elapsed.

This, of course, depends on the software that you have installed, what processes are running, and what they are doing at the time. All of these factors, amongst others, can affect how long it will take your machine to actually power-down.

Never happend with OSX 10.7.X irrespective of the crap on my computer ;)

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You guys are hilariously insufferable.

If Apple rushes out the update then you moan that QC is down and no one tested the software before release. If Apple takes its time prepping an update then you cry that its taking too long, they suck, and only care about iOS.

I mean seriously...

Come on, if 10.8.2 was near perfect you would have a point, but as many users are experiencing issues due to the crappy quality of 10.8.2 they might as well have considered braking this update in 2 part. One part as a bug fix and one part for the new drivers stuff and other *****. The update is being postponed for computers you cannot even buy now; this sucks!

Mac32
Mar 13, 2013, 05:43 AM
Get a grip people! Unless you have a specific problem with your OS X installation that is hampering your everyday workflow, you should be applauding Apple for being more careful now working out all the small bugs, as many of you (with good reason) have been complaining about Apple's QC standards for OSX being slightly lowered the latest 2-3 years. If you're unable to use a specific piece of software with 10.8.2, then I understand your frustration. Otherwise this is just bitching and complaining for the sake of it.

JM-Prod
Mar 13, 2013, 05:50 AM
Even on a fast connection it has got to be the slowest and most unresponsive piece of Apple software around.

Yes, it's borderline useless. Parts of iTunes are extremely slow aswell! I've read somewhere that the Apple online stores are based on some old code from the 80's...

fhall1
Mar 13, 2013, 06:18 AM
Yes, it's borderline useless. Parts of iTunes are extremely slow aswell! I've read somewhere that the Apple online stores are based on some old code from the 80's...

Old code from the 80's is probably faster than today's code! Back then developers didn't have seemingly unlimited memory space to expand bloated code into - they had to be much more efficient.

surroundfan
Mar 13, 2013, 06:23 AM
Well, this should hopefully mean that, when 10.8.3 comes out, 10.8 will be rock solid... just in time for 10.9 to come out, and everything to go back to square one again...

rikscha
Mar 13, 2013, 07:00 AM
I really hope so too. To be honest, my current experience with it is beta-like at best. Slow UI, very glitchy Safari, abysmal 2D+3D graphics performance,... Under bootcamp I have about 4x (!) the framerate in some apps. After finally deciding to get myself a new laptop after 6 years with the previous one, it would be nice to finally have it in working order...

Thank you! I'm very bored of these blind people here who claim not have any issues. I can replicate the same lag on any retina machine in my local apple store. 12 machines! Don't tell me there is no lag. Mission control, calendar and safari are just not working as smooth as on non-retina macs. But I'm guess the hundreds of people complaining on several boards are wrong.

Yaboze
Mar 13, 2013, 07:43 AM
If nVidia drivers weren't updated (as someone mentioned), were the Intel HD and ATI drivers updated at least?

treichert
Mar 13, 2013, 07:46 AM
If nVidia drivers weren't updated (as someone mentioned), were the Intel HD and ATI drivers updated at least?

The nVidia drivers have been continuously updated in every other build or so.

cbs20
Mar 13, 2013, 08:06 AM
Thank you! I'm very bored of these blind people here who claim not have any issues. I can replicate the same lag on any retina machine in my local apple store. 12 machines! Don't tell me there is no lag. Mission control, calendar and safari are just not working as smooth as on non-retina macs. But I'm guess the hundreds of people complaining on several boards are wrong.

For the people with 15 inch retina's that don't see any lag then open up Quicktime and record your screen. Let us know if you experience any lag during the screen record.

wlossw
Mar 13, 2013, 08:21 AM
Installed last night on rMBP for fun...

Noticed the following in limited use:

1. Wifi was flakey after install, required reboot, and seems ok now.
2. Wake from deep sleep is still really slow.
3. Safari is smoother on integrated graphics.
4. Was hoping for better 3d performance. I can confirm that the Witcher 2 remains unplayable.
5. Shut-down and Start-up times have improved for me.

dysamoria
Mar 13, 2013, 09:14 AM
Will this fix the "swipe back to white invisible page content" bug in safari?

Will this fix broken drag and drop behaviors in finder (scrolls up and down in the view without waiting till you drag to the edges first, making it kinda impossible to maneuver).

Will this fix the finder's tendency to stop letting you move icons around until closing and creating a new view of said folder?

milo
Mar 13, 2013, 09:25 AM
We may well be looking at the last patch for Mountain Lion

Nope, not unless they break precedent with all previous OSX releases.

keysofanxiety
Mar 13, 2013, 09:55 AM
New Mac Pro is coming only when Intel releases new Xeon chips — if it is coming at all, that is. Might be Tim Cook hinted at a Thunderbolt-connected box to attach to a 27" iMac for all we know.

Good point, but it's not like Apple are using the top-of-the-range Xeons at the moment. The top-specc'd Xeons currently have 10 cores each; dual-processors will mean a total of 20 cores and 40 threads, far more than Apple's top that had 12.

I doubt that Apple would support quad or maybe octa-processors as you would in high-end workstations, but as the Xeons can do that it's not like the current technology limits decent performance. Apple got lazy - that's the long and short of it.

Funkatronic
Mar 13, 2013, 10:06 AM
Good point, but it's not like Apple are using the top-of-the-range Xeons at the moment. The top-specc'd Xeons currently have 10 cores each; dual-processors will mean a total of 20 cores and 40 threads, far more than Apple's top that had 12.

I doubt that Apple would support quad or maybe octa-processors as you would in high-end workstations, but as the Xeons can do that it's not like the current technology limits decent performance. Apple got lazy - that's the long and short of it.

Those 10 core Xeons you speak of are 3 generations old, IIRC, not to mention just a single processor was priced between 3000 - 4000 USD. You want Apple to put 2 of those 3 generation old processors in a new Mac Pro? Yeah, that will go well.

lukasz74nj
Mar 13, 2013, 10:07 AM
Well, how about adding file management as one focus area? Apple, when will you finally make Finder application usable? Is that difficult to add an option to sort files where folders appear on the top (or better - make this the default)? How about adding multiple tabs?

saldin
Mar 13, 2013, 10:18 AM
Nope, not unless they break precedent with all previous OSX releases.

Each successive OS X version gets less patches, and the same happens for Windows. They break precedent on every OS release.

slicecom
Mar 13, 2013, 10:18 AM
Installed last night on rMBP for fun...

Noticed the following in limited use:

1. Wifi was flakey after install, required reboot, and seems ok now.
2. Wake from deep sleep is still really slow.
3. Safari is smoother on integrated graphics.
4. Was hoping for better 3d performance. I can confirm that the Witcher 2 remains unplayable.
5. Shut-down and Start-up times have improved for me.

1. Had the same issue right after install on my rMBP 15" but its fine now
2. Disable hibernation
3. Install Webkit, its way more smooth than even the safari in 12D78
4. I doubt you'll see 3D performance improve drastically through any update, Intel's integrated graphics are just poor

saldin
Mar 13, 2013, 10:20 AM
Well, this should hopefully mean that, when 10.8.3 comes out, 10.8 will be rock solid... just in time for 10.9 to come out, and everything to go back to square one again...

Once bitten, twice shy. I'll be upgrading to 10.9 the day 10.10 is released to the public.

saturnotaku
Mar 13, 2013, 10:23 AM
4. I doubt you'll see 3D performance improve drastically through any update, Intel's integrated graphics are just poor

The poster you're responding to has a 15-inch Retina, so he would have the 650M. Unless he's having an issue with graphic switching, poor performance has nothing to do with the Intel iGPU.

RedGeminiPA
Mar 13, 2013, 10:29 AM
Once bitten, twice shy. I'll be upgrading to 10.9 the day 10.10 is released to the public.

You better do it the day before, or you'll be stuck with whatever comes after 10.9...

slicecom
Mar 13, 2013, 10:49 AM
The poster you're responding to has a 15-inch Retina, so he would have the 650M. Unless he's having an issue with graphic switching, poor performance has nothing to do with the Intel iGPU.

You're right, I didn't read his sig. Well in that case I don't know. I do my gaming in bootcamp and am very happy with the GPU performance.

RedGeminiPA
Mar 13, 2013, 10:54 AM
What are the odds that it could land without at least another week going by? Has Apple ever seeded a beta and release within the same week?

Ex: Beta on Tuesday, release on Thursday?

saldin
Mar 13, 2013, 10:56 AM
1. Had the same issue right after install on my rMBP 15" but its fine now
2. Disable hibernation
3. Install Webkit, its way more smooth than even the safari in 12D78
4. I doubt you'll see 3D performance improve drastically through any update, Intel's integrated graphics are just poor

Sorry for butting in, but for points 2 and 3, shouldn't it "just work"? Why do we have to work around Apple's bugs?

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You better do it the day before, or you'll be stuck with whatever comes after 10.9...

Will still buy 10.9 on day one, I'll just postpone the upgrade...

slicecom
Mar 13, 2013, 11:06 AM
Sorry for butting in, but for points 2 and 3, shouldn't it "just work"? Why do we have to work around Apple's bugs?


It should just work, but in my experience, computers rarely do. For what it's worth, I still find a lot more tweaking and fiddling is necessary on Windows machines than on Macs.

iBug2
Mar 13, 2013, 11:14 AM
For the people with 15 inch retina's that don't see any lag then open up Quicktime and record your screen. Let us know if you experience any lag during the screen record.

No lag at 1440X900 resolution. Lag at 1440X900 HiDPI resolution which is completely normal. The OS is converting from HiDPI to regular 1440X900 while recording since the movie output is at 1440X900 so it's doing much more work at HiDPI settings.

Solution: Change to regular 1440X900 if you want to record screen without lag.

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What are the odds that it could land without at least another week going by? Has Apple ever seeded a beta and release within the same week?

Ex: Beta on Tuesday, release on Thursday?
Yes they did many times before.

cbs20
Mar 13, 2013, 11:33 AM
No lag at 1440X900 resolution. Lag at 1440X900 HiDPI resolution which is completely normal. The OS is converting from HiDPI to regular 1440X900 while recording since the movie output is at 1440X900 so it's doing much more work at HiDPI settings.

Solution: Change to regular 1440X900 if you want to record screen without lag.

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Yes they did many times before.

Just because you are making your computer convert a video doesn't mean it should crawl like it does. Also, I remembered my second way to show lag. Open the Calendar and flip between months. Also, I'm not saying my retina lags all the time because it doesn't. 50% of the time it is just as smooth as my previous early 2011 13inch running Mountain Lion, but the other 50 it will lag when switching desktops and entering mission control no matter which GPU is currently being used.

hekx
Mar 13, 2013, 11:37 AM
Graphics aren't lagging like the video when not recording screen. Everything is smooth when not recording. Shut down time is less than 5 seconds if all programs are closed prior to shutdown. Audio glitching is fixed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWpKHrGLbt0&feature=youtu.be

http://youtu.be/YWpKHrGLbt0

keysofanxiety
Mar 13, 2013, 11:38 AM
Those 10 core Xeons you speak of are 3 generations old, IIRC, not to mention just a single processor was priced between 3000 - 4000 USD. You want Apple to put 2 of those 3 generation old processors in a new Mac Pro? Yeah, that will go well.

Wow, that's quite an aggressive reply. 3 generations old? The E7-8870 was released Q2'11. It's only outdated if you consider the tick/tock cycle to be consistent with the consumer CPUs (SandyBridge, IvyBridge, etc.) And as we know, that's never been the case with workstation CPUs.

To justify my point, there wasn't really much of an excuse to cease development on the Mac Pro. The person I'd initially replied to almost had an implication that Apple's Mac Pros were running the latest hardware, and there was simply a technical barrier from a lack of new Intel CPUs. That wasn't the case; it's not like Apple were 'waiting' for the next generation CPUs. There were ones with huge performance increases that were ignored.

And no Thunderbolt/USB 3 … well, that's ridiculous from their 'Pro' computer (but I'm sure everybody's moaned about that enough!) IMHO, Apple should update the Mac Pro as and when new server/workstation chips come out. The whole secretive mentality that comes before iPhone/iPad/Mac releases simply doesn't help those who use the Mac Pros for actual work. Gone are the days when the PMG4/G5s seemed to be updated every 6 months.

Hope this helps clear up my point a bit! :)

cjmillsnun
Mar 13, 2013, 11:46 AM
Apple only cares about iOS and iToys

That is obviously BS because they're trying to squash bugs with this release.

slicecom
Mar 13, 2013, 11:46 AM
Audio glitching is fixed!


It is!? It wasn't fixed in the last beta, haven't tested it in this one yet.

palmharbor
Mar 13, 2013, 11:53 AM
I hope that they improve the copy paste function. It has not been changed since OS8...back 16 years ago...when computers were running at 25 megahertz....What does it take to get apple to look at improving basic functions. Many of the staff were not even employed by Apple when OS 8 came out!

cjmillsnun
Mar 13, 2013, 11:54 AM
Are you really an Apple developer? If you are, prove it.

That is not what you said the other day.

He used the fricking comical Ali pic. It. Was. A. Joke

AnonMac50
Mar 13, 2013, 11:55 AM
Actually, I'm quite happy with them taking this long, it shows that we should get a very stable release. If, however, they bring out a really buggy release, there's going to be trouble, I think.

swissmann
Mar 13, 2013, 11:58 AM
Graphics aren't lagging like the video when not recording screen. Everything is smooth when not recording. Shut down time is less than 5 seconds if all programs are closed prior to shutdown. Audio glitching is fixed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWpKHrGLbt0&feature=youtu.be

http://youtu.be/YWpKHrGLbt0

Wow! If I'm seeing what I think I am you are entering Expose and then clicking multiple times before it responds. If that is what people are dealing with I feel your pain. That to me would seem like a defective product and should be returnable. Not that it is an option in the computer world but that seems really unacceptable.

Orlandoech
Mar 13, 2013, 12:25 PM
That is obviously BS because they're trying to squash bugs with this release.

Wow, you seriously took it literally?

anthonyp327
Mar 13, 2013, 12:45 PM
I would rather have Apple test, test, test, and get it right than to release an update just to release something. iTunes 11 started with bugs, Lion had plenty of them, Mountain Lion the same. It knocked the efficiency rating of dependable software from Apple down and has caused Apple a few licks in this area. If you are a true Apple product user you would know it is better to have something work right than to keep having patches. That is what made Microsoft so undependable and buggy. Apple needs to get on the top perch.

iFitzgerald
Mar 13, 2013, 12:58 PM
Will still buy 10.9 on day one, I'll just postpone the upgrade...


I think he was thinking that when 10.9, Apple could do the same thing they did with 10.8, which was making 10.7 unavailable on the App Store, thus making it impossible to get it for a while, but then again, you can always download the installer and keep it to make a bootable pen drive later on.

jwm
Mar 13, 2013, 01:01 PM
I would rather have Apple test, test, test, and get it right than to release an update just to release something. iTunes 11 started with bugs, Lion had plenty of them, Mountain Lion the same. It knocked the efficiency rating of dependable software from Apple down and has caused Apple a few licks in this area. If you are a true Apple product user you would know it is better to have something work right than to keep having patches. That is what made Microsoft so undependable and buggy. Apple needs to get on the top perch.

I hope you are right about this release. What has OSX been since Lion was released, other than buggy and not capable of managing the hardware properly?

name99
Mar 13, 2013, 01:10 PM
Sorry for butting in, but for points 2 and 3, shouldn't it "just work"? Why do we have to work around Apple's bugs?[COLOR="#808080"]

Will still buy 10.9 on day one, I'll just postpone the upgrade...

There are multiple issues here.
(a) Yes, in an ideal world things would just work. But the world right now is not ideal, so it's worth letting people know of alternatives so they can decide if those alternatives meet their needs.

(b) Slow restore from deep sleep (hibernation) is not completely Apple incompetence. The issue is that Apple has historically slept computers by retaining the contents of RAM. This allows for very fast wake, but continues to drain the battery slowly even while the machine sleeps, which means that a significant fraction of your battery may go away during 24 hrs of sleep, let alone for a week of sleep.

With SSDs Apple has switched to a policy where, after a sleep of a certain length of time, the RAM is pushed to disk and unpowered. This means that on wakeup the full contents of RAM (which may be eg 16GiB on an rMBP) have to be pulled off the SSD before the machine can really start.
It's a tradeoff of battery vs wakeup time.

(c) Having said (b), which is about engineering tradeoffs and unavoidable, the real problem is that Apple pretty badly screwed up their implementation of hibernation. There are two problems
- the system provides no feedback, no UI to let you know that something is happening and your machine is being restored. If the screen immediately lit up, and a progress bar appeared, you'd feel the wakeup time pass much faster.
- even worse is that there are (this is just a fact) bugs in power management in 10.8.0 through at least 10.8.2, which mean that there is a significant chance, when you wake your machine, that it will not wake up.
So we have a perfect storm for user insecurity --- every time you wake your rMBP it may take a minute or so to actually wake up, and throughout that minute you are in terror that maybe this is one of those occasions where it's simply going to hang and never wake up.

Truly not one of Apple's finest hours, and one hopes a clusterfsck that will be fixed in 10.8.3 (both no more power manager bugs and wakeup progress feedback) and never repeated.

milo
Mar 13, 2013, 01:12 PM
Each successive OS X version gets less patches, and the same happens for Windows. They break precedent on every OS release.

I'm talking specifically about how they release the last update just before the next one comes out (or just after). 10.9 will be summer or fall release, if there isn't a 10.8.4 around then it would be the first time Apple hasn't kept working on the previous OS while developing the new one.

And the number of updates hasn't always gone down, 10.3 had fewer than 10.4.

name99
Mar 13, 2013, 01:14 PM
Graphics aren't lagging like the video when not recording screen. Everything is smooth when not recording. Shut down time is less than 5 seconds if all programs are closed prior to shutdown. Audio glitching is fixed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWpKHrGLbt0&feature=youtu.be

http://youtu.be/YWpKHrGLbt0

If your rMBP is not lagging, great for you. But the fact is that this lag DOES exist for many users. Even Apple admits it. When I submitted a bug about the jerkiness is scrolling web sites like TheVerge.com, I was told this was a known bug and had already been dealt with, to some extent, in the latest Webkit nightlies.

I have no idea what you imagine you are achieving by telling people their computers do not behave the way they see them behave every day. This is the worst sort of Apple zealotism, the sort of thing that makes outsiders mock Apple users as absolutely deranged and detached from reality.

lukasz74nj
Mar 13, 2013, 01:43 PM
I hope that they improve the copy paste function. It has not been changed since OS8...back 16 years ago...when computers were running at 25 megahertz....What does it take to get apple to look at improving basic functions. Many of the staff were not even employed by Apple when OS 8 came out!

Where at it, they should also remap copy and paste keys to Ctrl+C and Ctrl+P respectively. It is so confusing to switch between standard and non-standard key-combinations when working on different platforms.

chrfr
Mar 13, 2013, 01:46 PM
Where at it, they should also remap copy and paste keys to Ctrl+C and Ctrl+P respectively. It is so confusing to switch between standard and non-standard key-combinations when working on different platforms.
That'd break 29 years of Mac users' habits. Not going to happen. The command-C/command-p key combinations predate Windows.

SockRolid
Mar 13, 2013, 03:12 PM
... We had previously heard that Apple was seeding the prior 12D76 build to employees, suggesting that a public release might be imminent, but it seems that Apple is continuing to make final tweaks to the operating system update. ...

Zzzzzzzz.....

What is this? The 13th seed?

Just let me know when there's a golden master candidate.

pknz
Mar 13, 2013, 03:41 PM
Try looking back to sl days with many updates to improve.

I think the trend is less updates now, which in theory would mean the product is more mature and requires fewer and less frequent updates.

For the end user this should be a positive.

slicecom
Mar 13, 2013, 04:25 PM
Where at it, they should also remap copy and paste keys to Ctrl+C and Ctrl+P respectively. It is so confusing to switch between standard and non-standard key-combinations when working on different platforms.

I and millions of others would be livid if they did this. I remap my Windows machine to match the Apple key-combinations because I'm used to them, and I prefer them. You should find a program to do mimic your preferred key-combinations on your Mac if you don't like them.

And FYI, Windows key-combinations ≠ "standard" key-combinations. They're no more standard than Mac or Linux key-combinations.

hekx
Mar 13, 2013, 05:03 PM
If your rMBP is not lagging, great for you. But the fact is that this lag DOES exist for many users. Even Apple admits it. When I submitted a bug about the jerkiness is scrolling web sites like TheVerge.com, I was told this was a known bug and had already been dealt with, to some extent, in the latest Webkit nightlies.


I have no idea what you imagine you are achieving by telling people their computers do not behave the way they see them behave every day. This is the worst sort of Apple zealotism, the sort of thing that makes outsiders mock Apple users as absolutely deranged and detached from reality.


Don't get me wrong, it's no where near what I believe it should be for a $2,200 'powerhouse' of a machine. That insane glitching in the video I posted is largely due to the screen recording, but still! What the heck? I mean why does recording the screen cause such massive lag. I still have issues with safari scrolling, and have WebKit installed to alleviate it. My biggest gripe with 10.8.2 was the audio glitching, which in my testing, has been fixed.

br3nt
Mar 13, 2013, 05:11 PM
Well, how about adding file management as one focus area? Apple, when will you finally make Finder application usable? Is that difficult to add an option to sort files where folders appear on the top (or better - make this the default)? How about adding multiple tabs?

just use XtraFinder.
Tabs, auto-adjust columns after name length & best of all: cut & paste

couldn't believe that cmd+x didn't work when I switched from PC/windows about 8 months ago to mac hehe


- http://www.trankynam.com/xtrafinder/

sorry for OT :o

thomaskc
Mar 13, 2013, 07:08 PM
just use XtraFinder.
Tabs, auto-adjust columns after name length & best of all: cut & paste

couldn't believe that cmd+x didn't work when I switched from PC/windows about 8 months ago to mac hehe


- http://www.trankynam.com/xtrafinder/

sorry for OT :o

Same, I had the same experience and I use XtraFinder too.

I was super disappointed to find that, after 25 years of using windows, OSX out of the box actually lacks way more functionality than windows does, in all areas! It's silly... I know there is a mill apps to fix all sort of things.. but seriously? sometimes (really often) its not THAT bad an idea to borrow and do what the competitors do.... there is usually a reason why they do it. Apple's philosophy seems more about what they dont want to do.

Another simple thing I had to fix with an app, maximize window..... just saying :P

Anyway... Xtrafinder is a must have.

irDigital0l
Mar 13, 2013, 07:50 PM
If Apple releases OS X 10.8.3 tomorrow. lol

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1556393

diogolg
Mar 13, 2013, 09:46 PM
remap to ctrl+C and ctrl+P?? As far as I know no OS use this kind of key-combination

ctrl (cmd) + P is for printing...

About the cut&paste OSX has this also... but the idea is different... you first make a copy (cmd+c) than you paste removing the original file (cmd+option+v)

ghosthaunt11
Mar 13, 2013, 10:07 PM
remap to ctrl+C and ctrl+P?? As far as I know no OS use this kind of key-combination

ctrl (cmd) + P is for printing...

About the cut&paste OSX has this also... but the idea is different... you first make a copy (cmd+c) than you paste removing the original file (cmd+option+v)

Just like slicecom told lukasz74nj, remapping the key commands would upset many Mac users, since they are used to pressing the command key instead of the control key. I'm used to pressing both, but there are many users who are not.

CBlakeston
Mar 13, 2013, 11:28 PM
You just know the minute we least expect it the public release will drop :)

macrem
Mar 14, 2013, 12:53 AM
I and millions of others would be livid if they did this. I remap my Windows machine to match the Apple key-combinations because I'm used to them, and I prefer them. You should find a program to do mimic your preferred key-combinations on your Mac if you don't like them.

And FYI, Windows key-combinations ≠ "standard" key-combinations. They're no more standard than Mac or Linux key-combinations.
I agree & also Cmd is in a better location than Ctrl for copy-paste-delete.

ultraspiracle
Mar 14, 2013, 01:29 AM
i am sorry to ruin this for ya, but 12D78 did not fix the slow shutdown bug on my rMBP.

Well, that's too bad - sorry about that. Guess I'll be sticking with Lion for the foreseeable future.

irDigital0l
Mar 14, 2013, 01:56 AM
You just know the minute we least expect it the public release will drop :)

Right before Samsung Galaxy 4 announcement.

Its gonna take away all the hype. :p

mishendr
Mar 14, 2013, 05:49 AM
You guys are hilariously insufferable.

If Apple rushes out the update then you moan that QC is down and no one tested the software before release. If Apple takes its time prepping an update then you cry that its taking too long, they suck, and only care about iOS.

I mean seriously...

Absolutely right. For me, let them take their time and do it right. But, then we'll HAVE to get a stable and (almost) bug free 10.8.3, I suppose....

iFitzgerald
Mar 14, 2013, 06:57 AM
just use XtraFinder.
Tabs, auto-adjust columns after name length & best of all: cut & paste

couldn't believe that cmd+x didn't work when I switched from PC/windows about 8 months ago to mac hehe


- http://www.trankynam.com/xtrafinder/

sorry for OT :o


DUDE!!! This has made my day! The Cut and Paste option alone is simply awesome! This was something I was very used to do in Windows a few years ago and I always thought it was stupid that I couldn't do it in OSX...well technically, I still can't, at least out of the box, but with this app now I can! And the tabs are awesome!

THANK YOU for posting this!

zepman
Mar 14, 2013, 07:05 AM
DUDE!!! This has made my day! The Cut and Paste option alone is simply awesome! This was something I was very used to do in Windows a few years ago and I always thought it was stupid that I couldn't do it in OSX...well technically, I still can't, at least out of the box, but with this app now I can! And the tabs are awesome!

THANK YOU for posting this!

You can "cut" on Macs without any extra software. First copy the file (Cmd+c) then "Move item here" (Cmd+Alt+v).

epelba01
Mar 14, 2013, 08:02 AM
Apple, I'm counting on you to release 10.8.3 today.

RedGeminiPA
Mar 14, 2013, 08:03 AM
For those moaning about Cut, Copy & Paste, just get PopClip. As soon as you highlight anything, it pops up with all the options you could ever want. You don't even have to touch your keyboard.

Then, when you click into any input field, it pops up again with options to Paste etc. It's a pretty sweet little utility.

mattburley7
Mar 14, 2013, 09:36 AM
Apple, I'm counting on you to release 10.8.3 today.

most unlikely to see it this week

maybe next tuesday release or another beta :rolleyes:

lukasz74nj
Mar 14, 2013, 09:48 AM
just use XtraFinder.


Thanks, I will try that. Nevertheless, Apple should add these features to such essential program.

coder12
Mar 14, 2013, 09:49 AM
Why thank you! We're kind of insane with BBQ down here, glad you liked it!

And yep, I'm the only Bearkat I know of on this forum. I also don't see many Bison outside of the FCS forum I go to, so I thought I'd give you a shoutout based on your signature. I hope y'all have another awesome season next year! (Unless and until of course, there's a round 3...)

Same to you! Maybe we'll see you down in Frisco again next year! :cool:

star-affinity
Mar 14, 2013, 10:00 AM
Where at it, they should also remap copy and paste keys to Ctrl+C and Ctrl+P respectively. It is so confusing to switch between standard and non-standard key-combinations when working on different platforms.

I and millions of others would be livid if they did this. I remap my Windows machine to match the Apple key-combinations because I'm used to them, and I prefer them. You should find a program to do mimic your preferred key-combinations on your Mac if you don't like them.

And FYI, Windows key-combinations ≠ "standard" key-combinations. They're no more standard than Mac or Linux key-combinations.

It is possible to change (or even add) a menu command in an app by entering the name of the command (how it reads in the menu) and then putting the desired keyboard combo in.

System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Application Shortcuts.

iFitzgerald
Mar 14, 2013, 10:25 AM
You can "cut" on Macs without any extra software. First copy the file (Cmd+c) then "Move item here" (Cmd+Alt+v).

Now I feel stupid for not knowing that. But anyways, I'll stick with the app, those tabs are great!

Yet, thank you for sharing that, definitely a great think to know as well!

ghosthaunt11
Mar 14, 2013, 01:20 PM
Right before Samsung Galaxy 4 announcement.

Its gonna take away all the hype. :p

Hopefully it will be released before then, but I have a bad feeling that it won't be.

ommthree
Mar 14, 2013, 03:13 PM
Just popped up as available for download! Now.... does it fix my power problems? Watch this space! :D

ghosthaunt11
Mar 14, 2013, 03:22 PM
Just popped up as available for download! Now.... does it fix my power problems? Watch this space! :D

YEAH!!!! Oh, yeah! Uh, uh! :D

saldin
Mar 14, 2013, 03:57 PM
Just popped up as available for download! Now.... does it fix my power problems? Watch this space! :D

I can confirm it's really there.

Peace
Mar 14, 2013, 03:58 PM
Told ya it would be on a wednesday or thursday. :p

koban4max
Mar 14, 2013, 05:55 PM
I think the trend is less updates now, which in theory would mean the product is more mature and requires fewer and less frequent updates.

For the end user this should be a positive.

it did mature for the best... SL pretty much resolve most, if not all, problems.

ultraspiracle
Mar 15, 2013, 02:15 AM
DUDE!!! This has made my day! The Cut and Paste option alone is simply awesome! This was something I was very used to do in Windows a few years ago and I always thought it was stupid that I couldn't do it in OSX...well technically, I still can't, at least out of the box, but with this app now I can! And the tabs are awesome!

THANK YOU for posting this!

Oh holy ScheiBe - what a cool app ! Just what I was looking for. Finder is a turd as it is, but this is fantastic. Thanks for sharing!

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Same, I had the same experience and I use XtraFinder too.

I was super disappointed to find that, after 25 years of using windows, OSX out of the box actually lacks way more functionality than windows does, in all areas! It's silly... I know there is a mill apps to fix all sort of things.. but seriously? sometimes (really often) its not THAT bad an idea to borrow and do what the competitors do.... there is usually a reason why they do it. Apple's philosophy seems more about what they dont want to do.

Another simple thing I had to fix with an app, maximize window..... just saying :P

Anyway... Xtrafinder is a must have.

Quote:
Originally Posted by br3nt
just use XtraFinder.
Tabs, auto-adjust columns after name length & best of all: cut & paste

couldn't believe that cmd+x didn't work when I switched from PC/windows about 8 months ago to mac hehe


- http://www.trankynam.com/xtrafinder/

sorry for OT



Great App, guys! Thanks so much, this is just what Finder needed.

macrem
Mar 15, 2013, 03:01 AM
As others have mentioned, Apple has not fixed shutdown delays with 10.8.3. Argh! Does anyone happen to know the real cause(s) of this issue?

When I went to SSD on Lion, reboot times were very impressive; however, now I'm getting HDD-like reboot times with a new SSD / rMBP :confused:

imacken
Mar 15, 2013, 05:14 AM
As others have mentioned, Apple has not fixed shutdown delays with 10.8.3. Argh!
Why are you shutting down your Mac so often anyway? Unless I'm going away for a few days, my MBP and iMac are never shutdown. Just close the lid on your rMBP!

slicecom
Mar 15, 2013, 10:29 AM
Why are you shutting down your Mac so often anyway? Unless I'm going away for a few days, my MBP and iMac are never shutdown. Just close the lid on your rMBP!

Yeah I never really got why people do that. I never shut down any of my computers unnecessary wear and tear on the circuitry, and inconveniences me every shut down and boot up. They're designed to be put to sleep when not in use. There are no pros to shutting down your computer when not in use, only cons.

kensic
Mar 15, 2013, 11:26 AM
Why are you shutting down your Mac so often anyway? Unless I'm going away for a few days, my MBP and iMac are never shutdown. Just close the lid on your rMBP!

Yeah I never really got why people do that. I never shut down any of my computers unnecessary wear and tear on the circuitry, and inconveniences me every shut down and boot up. They're designed to be put to sleep when not in use. There are no pros to shutting down your computer when not in use, only cons.

ok i think we've had enough with this topic. people can choose to do what ever they want. YOU choose to put it to sleep. OTHERS choose to shut it down.

and how do you know they were "designed to be put to sleep when not in use?" did you talk to the engineers yourself? then why is there a shutdown option. cmon man don't blindly make assumptions like that.


for all its worth. every feature should perfectly everytime. why does shutdown time is so fast in lion, and not in M.lion? even if you don't shut down your computer....those few times that you do, don't you want it to work properly?

if you think putting it to sleep then i'm cool with that. just let people do what they desire, and stop with the comments about "i dont get people...."

slicecom
Mar 15, 2013, 03:22 PM
ok i think we've had enough with this topic. people can choose to do what ever they want. YOU choose to put it to sleep. OTHERS choose to shut it down.

and how do you know they were "designed to be put to sleep when not in use?" did you talk to the engineers yourself? then why is there a shutdown option. cmon man don't blindly make assumptions like that.


for all its worth. every feature should perfectly everytime. why does shutdown time is so fast in lion, and not in M.lion? even if you don't shut down your computer....those few times that you do, don't you want it to work properly?

if you think putting it to sleep then i'm cool with that. just let people do what they desire, and stop with the comments about "i dont get people...."

Nothing wrong with educating people.

LV426
Mar 15, 2013, 04:23 PM
As others have mentioned, Apple has not fixed shutdown delays with 10.8.3. Argh! Does anyone happen to know the real cause(s) of this issue?

When I went to SSD on Lion, reboot times were very impressive; however, now I'm getting HDD-like reboot times with a new SSD / rMBP :confused:

Nobody knows the cause of your slow shutdown. Shutdown times depend on numerous factors, and not just the OS. The worst thing that could happen is if OS X just powered off without cleaning things up like open files, devices, network connections, etc.

Do a restart.
Open the console application: Spotlight search 'console'.
Click All Messages.
Enter 'shutdown_time' in the console search.
Click on the last entry. Clear the search filter. You will see a lot of shutdown events going on.
If you see any lengthy gap between events, that might provide a clue as to the part of the shutdown process that is taking most time.

kensic
Mar 15, 2013, 05:49 PM
Nothing wrong with educating people.

it's not education when you don't know the facts. other then that it's an opinion.

if someone thinks 1+1=3, and you say "no, it is 2" then that's education.

in this case you like to sleep your computer, while others like to shut down their computers. there's no education in that. it's a preference.