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stchman
Mar 19, 2013, 07:00 PM
A friend of mine asked me why I got a Mac. I've had a MBA now for ~8 months, and it's a pretty decent machine.

I told him that I was really wanting to try out OS X as I have heard so many great things about it. After using it somewhat extensively, I can say for sure two things:

Apple laptops are built far better than Windows laptops.
There is really nothing in OS X you can do that you can't do in Windows or Linux.

Before people get all out of control, stop and think. IMO a lot of people switched to a Mac back in the days of Windows 98 or early XP. Now that Windows 7 is out, it is a much better OS. I actually prefer using Ubuntu as I find I can do pretty much anything I want.

Windows gets a bad rep from manufacturers loading massive amounts of trial crapware on a pre-built PC. A clean install and careful computing will keep this under control

I have found out that not everything "just works" on a Mac. If you stay in the Apple ecosystem, then everything will just work.

Here is my take on operating systems.

Windows 7 - Everything out there you can imagine is well, out there.
OS X - Well made, well thought out, lots of great software for pay.
Linux - If you want to tailor your OS to do exactly what you want.



Larpy
Mar 20, 2013, 12:11 AM
Points taken but I have to disagree. First of all I use both Mac and PC (not by choice). and I'm no crazy Fanboy but i do love Macs and am completely sold on Apple stuff.

Here's some points I think you missed. Macs just work better out of the box,, period. Mac's have a longer life then many PC's (all in my experience). It's true you can do everything on a PC but the ease you can do it on a Mac is...just better in my opinion.

And any mention of windows 8??

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stchman
Mar 20, 2013, 02:57 AM
Points taken but I have to disagree. First of all I use both Mac and PC (not by choice). and I'm no crazy Fanboy but i do love Macs and am completely sold on Apple stuff.

Here's some points I think you missed. Macs just work better out of the box,, period. Mac's have a longer life then many PC's (all in my experience). It's true you can do everything on a PC but the ease you can do it on a Mac is...just better in my opinion.

And any mention of windows 8??

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I disagree on such ease of use. OS X is different, not better/easier.

As far as last longer, my last Toshiba laptop I had for over 4 years. My girlfriend had her Toshiba laptop for over 5 years. We sold it to my dad and it still works to this day. Maybe Apple laptops last a little longer, but for their price, they better.

Now I will agree that Apple laptops are better built, but again, for their price, they better be.

The one thing I really dislike about OS X is Finder. Why does it suck so much compared to Explorer or Linux Nautilus. Archiving stuff also sucks in OS X.

I have not used Windows 8.

skaertus
Mar 20, 2013, 07:45 AM
A friend of mine asked me why I got a Mac. I've had a MBA now for ~8 months, and it's a pretty decent machine.

I told him that I was really wanting to try out OS X as I have heard so many great things about it. After using it somewhat extensively, I can say for sure two things:

Apple laptops are built far better than Windows laptops.
There is really nothing in OS X you can do that you can't do in Windows or Linux.

Before people get all out of control, stop and think. IMO a lot of people switched to a Mac back in the days of Windows 98 or early XP. Now that Windows 7 is out, it is a much better OS. I actually prefer using Ubuntu as I find I can do pretty much anything I want.

Windows gets a bad rep from manufacturers loading massive amounts of trial crapware on a pre-built PC. A clean install and careful computing will keep this under control

I have found out that not everything "just works" on a Mac. If you stay in the Apple ecosystem, then everything will just work.

Here is my take on operating systems.

Windows 7 - Everything out there you can imagine is well, out there.
OS X - Well made, well thought out, lots of great software for pay.
Linux - If you want to tailor your OS to do exactly what you want.

Well, I have used Windows since the days of Windows 3.1. I used every version of Windows that came out, except for Windows Me. Now I am a user of Windows 8 and I can testify that the operating system evolved a lot in the last two decades. Windows 95 was pure crap, it crashed a lot, and it just could not be compared to IBM OS/2 Warp, which was as stable as unpopular. OS/2 went on to disappear, and Windows dominated the scene. But then Windows XP was a landmark, as it brought Windows NT-level of quality to consumers. Since the release of Windows XP back in 2001, Windows has turned out to be a pretty good operating system, and to prefer other operating systems over it became just a matter of personal preference over anything else.

I have also used OS X since 2008, when I bought my first (and so far only) Mac. I've been through Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard and Mac OS X 10.7 Lion. I have not installed OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion simply because it is not supported by my current Mac. OS X is a great operating system, and it runs smooth. It certainly has its own qualities and issues. I would not say it is any better than Windows, but different in its own ways.

First, OS X boots very quickly, and it has always done so. Windows 8 is also very fast to boot, but previous versions of Windows were not. I also noticed that I can run OS X for more time without formatting the whole system. I can install a lot of software on it, and it will not slow down much. Windows, on the other hand, may become very slow once I install and uninstall a lot of software on it. Registry entries and DLLs may get messed up, and, despite some programs claiming that they may fix it, the best way to solve the problem is a clean install. I have not yet had this problem with Windows 8, but I guess it is still too early to tell. Macs do not have this kind of issue, as far as I am concerned.

OS X is very good at managing battery life too. Windows 8 seems to have improved a lot on that, but OS X is still the champion on this regard.

But Windows has its advantages too. I can do more in Windows, and more advanced stuff. Software from big companies - the so-called industry standards - are almost always available for Windows. Sometimes they are also available for Mac, but the Windows version usually comes first and is better.

And Windows has Microsoft Office. Office is probably the best-selling piece of software in the world (apart from operating systems), and it is a de facto standard. Everybody else uses Office, and you are always supposed to send your files in a format that Microsoft Office can read and write. But Office is a Microsoft product, and the Windows version always come much earlier and is much better than the similar version for Mac. It should come as no surprise that Microsoft makes the best version of Office for its own platform.

There is good software available for Mac too. As big companies sometimes neglect the Mac platform, I see that lots of small companies see some room to flourish. There appears to be more quality software written by small companies for Mac than for Windows. Windows tend to have the big boys (such as Microsoft Office or Adobe Photoshop) and then free versions (such as LibreOffice and Paint.NET). The paid software by small companies end up getting crashed in the middle, and tend to disappear in the Windows platform.

Anyway, both Windows and OS X are great platforms. OS X provides a better dumbed-down experience, but you manage to do more under Windows.

As for Linux, well, I have tried it several times, and I have used some of its flavors (os "distros", as people like to call it). I have used Ubuntu (and variations), Mint, Debian, openSUSE, Fedora and Mandriva. None of them appealed to me (though I guess I prefer openSUSE over the others). Yes, it is very customizable. But it does not provide a great user experience, no matter how much I manage to customize it.

In addition, most commercial software is not available to it. I just cannot rely on open source alternatives. I am not a hobbyist, and open source software is not always the best. Sometimes they are very crappy. I understand it should be very hard to make software with a so tight budget, and without having full-time teams that rely on it to get its payday. But that is why I choose to buy my software and pay companies such as Apple or Microsoft to keep developing quality products.

Linux is, indeed, very customizable. But it is customizable to the point it get useless and pointless for me. I cannot afford to write my own software - and that would be the ultimate level of customization, which Linux would embrace more than Windows or OS X.

MisterMe
Mar 20, 2013, 08:30 AM
A friend of mine asked me why I got a Mac. I've had a MBA now for ~8 months, and it's a pretty decent machine.

...

Here is my take on operating systems.

Windows 7 - Everything out there you can imagine is well, out there.
OS X - Well made, well thought out, lots of great software for pay.
Linux - If you want to tailor your OS to do exactly what you want.You come across as a Windows user who has dabbled in the Mac. That is, of course, your right. Unfortunately, the end result is that your opinion of the Mac is largely uninformed. Your list of one-sentence opinions of each OS is particularly telling. There are three aggregating points to find virtually any software title available for the platform, c|net's download.com (http://download.cnet.com/mac/), MacUpdate.com (http://www.macupdate.com/), and Apple's Mac App Store (http://www.apple.com/au/osx/apps/app-store.html). There is a lot of free software for OS X. Free Mac software is not the Visual BASIC crap on your preferred platform. It is often as good or better than commercial titles.

Linux. This is like declaring that one identical twin is prettier than her twin sister. OS X is certified UNIX 03 rather than the Unix workalike that is Linux. On a practical level, virtually any software that runs on Linux also runs on your Mac. Two opensource projects, Fink (http://fink.thetis.ig42.org/) and MacPorts (http://www.macports.org/) are dedicated to facilitating the easy install of conventional Unix and Linux titles on the Mac.

Abazigal
Mar 20, 2013, 08:34 AM
I like that OSX comes with more functionality straight out of the box.

The ilife suite is great. I haven't used garageband, but imovie is great for letting me quickly and easily slap together small clips.

Imessage means I can message iphone-users right from my mac.

The ability to quickly attach files to email by dragging them to the mail icon is actually pretty handy. As is quickly taking screenshots via cmd+shift+4, launching apps with cmd+spacebar, readily copy/cut files with cmd/opt+click-drag and so on, it's all these little things that make using OSX more pleasurable.

Power management is another major plus. I don't have to bother about whether to sleep or hibernate my laptop. Just push the lid down, and OSX simply manages this for me.

You are right: It's not what I can do in OSX vs Windows, it's how I do it that makes all the difference. :)

printz
Mar 20, 2013, 12:55 PM
On a practical level, virtually any software that runs on Linux also runs on your Mac.Only virtually. You can only compile and run open-source Linux applications in OS X. There are also proprietary programs that support Windows, GNU/Linux (usually a commercial distro, like Red Hat) but not OS X. You won't be able to run them in OS X, because the executable format is different.

I still stick to OS X for programming, because it's POSIX compliant and not completely proprietary like Windows. It also doesn't carry the backward compatibility burden of Windows, so it may well be more stable in the long run (also consider the points skaertus listed).

It also has useful workflow paradigms that haven't been adopted by Windows, such as Autosave and Versions from Lion onwards. While I'm on my Mac, I prefer to only use Autosave/Versions-complying applications. Great both for artists and script programmers (you can go back in time and revise if you're not satisfied!). It simulates how you worked before using computers, when you didn't have to "save" what you were writing/drawing. I wish there was also a light music-composing program that had Autosave...

stchman
Mar 20, 2013, 01:01 PM
You come across as a Windows user who has dabbled in the Mac. That is, of course, your right. Unfortunately, the end result is that your opinion of the Mac is largely uninformed. Your list of one-sentence opinions of each OS is particularly telling. There are three aggregating points to find virtually any software title available for the platform, c|net's download.com (http://download.cnet.com/mac/), MacUpdate.com (http://www.macupdate.com/), and Apple's Mac App Store (http://www.apple.com/au/osx/apps/app-store.html). There is a lot of free software for OS X. Free Mac software is not the Visual BASIC crap on your preferred platform. It is often as good or better than commercial titles.

Linux. This is like declaring that one identical twin is prettier than her twin sister. OS X is certified UNIX 03 rather than the Unix workalike that is Linux. On a practical level, virtually any software that runs on Linux also runs on your Mac. Two opensource projects, Fink (http://fink.thetis.ig42.org/) and MacPorts (http://www.macports.org/) are dedicated to facilitating the easy install of conventional Unix and Linux titles on the Mac.

I've actually been an Ubuntu user since 2007. I only use Windows at work.

I actually use OS X more than I use Windows. The thing is, I only have one friend that is a Mac user.

Now since I am good with computers, I get calls from relatives and friends to help them computer wise. This allows me to stay up on Windows 7, I have not used Windows 8 at all.

I personally try to get people to switch to Linux as a great deal of the time their computer usage is web surfing, email, simple office stuff, etc., so they are an excellent candidate for making the switch to Linux.

I personally find that all three platforms have their pluses and minuses. Too many times I see people say "Macs are the absolute best and Windows is pure crap". Not true, but they are entitled to their opinion.

I actually rate OS X slightly above Windows 7 as it has excellent hardware compatibility.

I still rate Ubuntu the best OS out there.

stchman
Mar 20, 2013, 01:11 PM
I like that OSX comes with more functionality straight out of the box.

The ilife suite is great. I haven't used garageband, but imovie is great for letting me quickly and easily slap together small clips.

Imessage means I can message iphone-users right from my mac.

The ability to quickly attach files to email by dragging them to the mail icon is actually pretty handy. As is quickly taking screenshots via cmd+shift+4, launching apps with cmd+spacebar, readily copy/cut files with cmd/opt+click-drag and so on, it's all these little things that make using OSX more pleasurable.

Power management is another major plus. I don't have to bother about whether to sleep or hibernate my laptop. Just push the lid down, and OSX simply manages this for me.

You are right: It's not what I can do in OSX vs Windows, it's how I do it that makes all the difference. :)

My Mac came with iPhoto, iMovie, and Garageband, I've never used them so I have no input to their functionality.

I don't have an iPhone so iMessage is of no use to me.

I use webmail for the vast majority of my email so the drag and drop stuff won't work in any OS.

As far as screen capture, you are aware of Alt-PrtScr(active window) and PrtScr(entire desktop)?

Are you also aware of the Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V for copy and paste? The Control-left mouse allows you do select cretain files.

Power management I will definitely give props to Apple. With the tight integration of hardware and software, they have achieved excellent battery life.

I will also give Apple a huge thumbs up on making an trackpad that is actually usable.

BenTrovato
Mar 20, 2013, 03:59 PM
Lots of good posts in here! I personally don't think OS X is better than Windows or vice versa. They are just different but it's nice to have competition. I have always enjoyed the product finish and experience of owning a MacBook. Then again, I have been able to take apart, repair, and upgrade any Windows laptop I have owned while my Mac laptops are becoming increasingly more difficult to repair. It's a give and take in my opinion, you could make compelling arguments for either side and not be wrong.

Abazigal
Mar 20, 2013, 10:18 PM
Does print screen automatically save the cropped image to my desktop? The last time I used that function, it basically made a copy in the clipboard, and I had to copy it into paint and save it.