Bluetooth Enabled PowerMacs and Portables?

[MacRumors]

The Inquirer posts (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6689) rumors about an Apple announcment at MWSF:


And finally, saving the best for last, The INQUIRER was struck by a brilliant rumour that Apple is just about to announce that all its major machines - both desktop and laptop, apparently - will all soon boast Bluetooth compatibility.

The news will be released at the forthcoming MacWorld show in San Francisco on January 6th 2003.


Apple's work on Powerbook/iBooks with built-in bluetooth were revealed from the FCC site (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/11/20021102123445.shtml) - indicating that work on such integration had begun as far back as April 2002.

[blackketter]

Now, if it were my decision, I'd offer a new generation of airport cards that included bluetooth radios and 54Mbps support.

Thoughts?

[Mr. Dibbs]

Lucent makes the airport cards for apple, and until apple either contracts someone else, or lucent has that technology, it's not likely.

[jcontonio]

those bastards. I just bought this iBook and the damn USB Bluetooth adapter. I really hope they sell it as an airport/bluetooth combo but I doubt it. I don't like this thing sticking out the side of my mac.

[robbieduncan]

I just got a new iBook and a USB adaptor (£30 including delivery - nice). I too hope that they offer an airport card with bluetooth support.

[lmalave]

I just got a new iBook, too. Oh well, I'm not really interested in Bluetooth now anyway. Using a Bluetooth cellphone as a modem is intriguing except the 150 Kbps 2.5G service is still way too expensive anyway (Verizon Wireless has a $99 monthly unlimited plan, but that's on top of whatever monthly plan you have for regular voice calls). And I never use external keyboard or mice with my iBook. Probably the only thing that would make me really want Bluetooth is if someone came out with some good Bluetooth stereo headphones - then I'd definitely get Bluetooth by whatever means possible (which for now means using the USB dongle).

[IJ Reilly]

Yawn:o

If this is the "big announcement" at MWSF, I'm going to bring a comfy pillow to the keynote.

BTW, whatever is announced will be announced when Uncle Steve takes the stage on January 7. Steve does seem to like a crowd and the Moscone Center is going to be pretty dang quiet on January 6...

[Mr. Anderson]

The nice thing is that if it does happen I'd be surprised it was the only upgrade to the machines. This will be a nice way to get an across the board speed boost or more. I have no need at this time for bluetooth, so I'm not exactly excited at the news.

D

[graphics84]

I just orderd a PB 1 gig... they don't have a ETA on when it'll be here...

I ordered it 12/9 and they said 3-4 weeks... maybe it'll come with bluetooth but I also got a bluetooth adaptor... so I wish they would have told me... (I will get that today via FedEX)

there are also rumors of a Manufacturing change on the TiSD after the 5th fo December... maybe that was the change...

hope it was... sure I lose $50 bucks but I don't mind haveing a USB-Bluetooth adaptor for my desktop too

hope it works out that way

[TMay]

Bluetooth is a probable, as the chips are, evidently, readily available.

What about 1394b in PowerMacs? As Apple bought Zayante, you would think that 1394b is an obvious feature for new PowerMacs.

[gunb0y]

I'm thinking it would be nice to have one of the new microsoft bluetooth mouses. You bring it in range and it automatically starts working. Sweeeeeeeeeeeet

[Einie]

Hi, this is my first post, but it is important. I spoke to one of Apple's higher paid ones, and he told me that they combo cards will come. He did not tell me when, but when I asked him about loosing time and track, he replied, that Apple never lost track of innovations. I also asked him about the possibilities of that castrated pc-card slot, that it is used for the airport-card at the moment and he replied , that bluetooth funtionality can be added without any problems, then he corrected himself and said, that it is impossible to enable bluetooth via software update (something I did not ask) and then he changed the topic. He sort of refused to answer my question in first place, but I challenged him bit
Combo cards will come in the near future.....Just think about the fact, that every computer from the PB G3 on can have BT (PM included), even cube and iBook
Einie
:)

[orakle]

Just wait and you will se.
there IS going to be a big announcement in jan 6.
In many ways the biggest ever from this company. I can't tell you what but I promise You all. This one is BIG! and it's affecting the whole world. Not just us Maccies but VERY men y others. Get ready with your credit card.

No one is going to sleep on the keynote because Steve are absolutley right. 2003 will be the turning point for Apple. Much because of this ... Finaly they got a product and a combination that everyone would want to have. The.... are an amazing one and I'm personally will place an order ASAP.

[shadowfax]

lol. i wish i could summon up the will to regret having bought mine so quickly... eh, nope. the BT idea is cool, but i dunno. not worth an entire manufacturing change. at all. i would just put it out in the next release in 5-8 months.

as for you, orakle, that was no way to begin your posting career. you aren't fooling anyone, even if you are right. such posting is irrelevant, inappropriate, and just plain ungood eenglish.

[synergy]

Sounds nice.
If they came out with some cool bluetooth phones then I'd really dig the bundle.
Would be nice to have a 3G phone with the Quicktime 2.1 and bluetooth. Add to that a bluetooth enabled PDA like Handspring or the Sony. Nice set up.
Of course I don't have the money just now so I am just going to have to sit on the sideline and watch until I upgrade my bank account. :D

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by orakle
Just wait and you will se.
there IS going to be a big announcement in jan 6.

And the first words out of Steve's mouth on January 6 will be,
"Where the heck did everybody go??"

And when everybody shows up for the keynote on January 7, everyone will ask,
"Where the heck is Steve??"

[obeygiant]

i heard a rumor that bluetooth and 802.11 are not compatible because they use the same frequencies. Is this true or not?

[Thirteenva]

Originally posted by gunb0y
I'm thinking it would be nice to have one of the new microsoft bluetooth mouses. You bring it in range and it automatically starts working. Sweeeeeeeeeeeet

I believe two people have posted threads in which they couldnt get the MS bluetooth mouse to work on a mac. And of all the MS mice the bluetooth mouse is one of the few that says it has no support for Macs.

[porovaara]

Originally posted by obeygiant
i heard a rumor that bluetooth and 802.11 are not compatible because they use the same frequencies. Is this true or not?

Untue. They co-exist fine. Yes, there is the possibility of some bleeding over on the frequencies but even with bluetooth and 802.11b running constantly on the same laptop at peak you will get at worst a 10% degregation in performance. Bluetooth is much more resiliant than 802.11 when it comes to spreading itself around the spectrum.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by obeygiant
i heard a rumor that bluetooth and 802.11 are not compatible because they use the same frequencies. Is this true or not?

not really. while the capacity for interference is possible, because they do, yes, operate on the 2.4 GHz band, airport and BT should be fine. there is a ton of bandwidth to be had on the 2.4 GHz range--your neighbor having an airport network or you having a 2.4 GHz phone would be much more harmful to your range. not to worry though, even these usually don't cause much any trouble. there are at least 11 available channels on 2.4 GHz, so you would need a heck of a lot of stuff to occupy them all.

and of course, for clarification, if you were worried about something other than overloaded bandwidth, they don't interfere with one another in other ways, to my knowledge. certainly, BT could never get popular if it killed your airport connection like that, and BT is definitely getiting popular.

[york2600]

If anyone here is making statements about how two devices that use the same frequency can coexist fine they need to lay off the pipe. It's seriously hurting their mind. People have been complaining since 802.11 came out that devices on the same frequency were killing their connection. I have personally seen this twice. A fixed channel 2.4Ghz phone took out a VERY expensive lucent basestation that was DUAL channel. That's not suppost to happen. I've also seen a variable channel 2.4Ghz phone take out a 802.11 connection with a nice sized antenna on both sices just about every 2 minutes as it flew past it's specific frequency. I've heard some bad things about certain 802.11 devices not working with certain bluetooth devices. I haven't seen it in person so who knows, but 802.11 and 2.4Ghz phones don't always work together. 2.4Ghz phones dont even work with each other all the time. (Siemens and IBM 2.4Ghz phones hate each other)

-Tim

[porovaara]

Originally posted by york2600
I've heard some bad things about certain 802.11 devices not working with certain bluetooth devices.

-Tim

I've used cards from 6 (yes six vendors) on laptops equipped with bluetooth. There are no problems. There is no pipe. It isn't even remotely fair to compare a low tech band blanketing 2.4ghz phone to something like bluetooth that utilizes small channels (hence small bandwith) and does constact spread spectrum frequency jumping.

Again, I use bluetooth and 802.11 *every day* on the same laptop. It works fine.

[Talon1138]

I just ordered a new 1 ghz pb.

so if apple does announce bluetooth starting in Jan, I better be able to get it free.

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by orakle
Just wait and you will se.
there IS going to be a big announcement in jan 6.
In many ways the biggest ever from this company...

You sound so sure! With all the hoopla going around about this one guy getting arrested for divulging trade secrets, I guess I'm not surprised there are few details...

How about a type of product, and nothing more? Consumer, Pro, Portable, Desktop, Consumer Electronic, iApp, or other? :-)

[orakle]

" as for you, orakle, that was no way to begin your posting career. you aren't fooling anyone, even if you are right. such posting is irrelevant, inappropriate, and just plain ungood eenglish."

Well... it's not the first time I write a post in a Forum but the first time as 'orakle' so it's really not a new career. As for fooling... I don't have to fool anyone and I simply looking forward to january.
Regarding the ungood English: That depends on that English is not my natural language. And I'm not living in the US. I'll try to make it (the language) better.

Also: I can't give you any more clues but no one is going to be dissapointed.
Stunned would probably be a better word.

:D

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by orakle
" as for you, orakle, that was no way to begin your posting career. you aren't fooling anyone, even if you are right. such posting is irrelevant, inappropriate, and just plain ungood eenglish."

Well... it's not the first time I write a post in a Forum but the first time as 'orakle' so it's really not a new career. As for fooling... I don't have to fool anyone and I simply looking forward to january.
Regarding the ungood English: That depends on that English is not my natural language. And I'm not living in the US. I'll try to make it (the language) better.

Also: I can't give you any more clues but no one is going to be dissapointed.
Stunned would probably be a better word.

:D

sorry, didn't mean to be too hostile, just a bit annoyed with your vagueness--it seems like it's not useful to tell us you know something without telling us about it. it's like you are trying to taunt, if you aren't just bluffing.

[Longey Nowze]

Originally posted by Talon1138
I just ordered a new 1 ghz pb.

so if apple does announce bluetooth starting in Jan, I better be able to get it free.

I don't mean to be rude, so please don't take this the wrong way.

technology doesn't wait for anyone! saying stuff like that is just stupid! Apple might be nice enough to offer an upgrade, it could be free but i doubt it will, maybe at a special price? correct me if I'm wrong remember when the combo drive for the TiPB came out? didn't cost something around $ 300 to upgrade? older TiPBs without the combo drive? if it's a simple add on, like a card or something, then they might offer it at a special price for people who bought products after a certain date, but don't hold your breath.
if really want/need bluetooth to be built in, then if you can why not just cancel the order and wait till the announcement? see what happens, if they do announce something new the order it but be prepared to wait longer to get it, usually stuff doesn't ship as soon as they announce it, if they don't announce anything you won't lose a thing! but remember apple said that expos/keynotes aren't going to be the time they announce new products so if they announce something new after the expo, don't get mad, technology doesn't wait for anyone, and if you keep waiting for the newer version you will probably not buy anything... the best thing to do is just set a date of when you want to be something, like when you need to buy or you think you need to upgrade, I still have my pismo and i use it everyday, I'm not going to buy anything till maybe mid 2003 to early 2004 depends on if i have enough money, or you could just say I'm not going to buy a new machine till Apple upgrades it 3 times or something...

again please don't take this the wrong way!

THANK YOU
MaT

[orakle]

It is not uncommon to make a realese decision just minutes before a keynote. That have been the case since way back since the beginnig of the personal computer era. I got in to the business of computers as a proffesional 1985 and I have seen many products that were ready for realese and was hold back in the very last minutes for different reasons. Therefore. Nothing is 100% sure until a company like Apple realese a product officialy. Many things could happen along the way that forces them to cut products that maight be ready. In general Steve has a couple of different keynotes ready depending on the decisions made just before official announcements.

The one product, or maybe I should say the combination of products in the pipeline right now, will be realesed if all conditions can be met.
The public have to wait and see. I personally have waited 2 years for this to happend and it surley seem that it finally is time. I am very pleased with the progress so far.

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by robbieduncan
I just got a new iBook and a USB adaptor (£30 including delivery - nice). I too hope that they offer an airport card with bluetooth support.

May I enquire as to where that great deal was had?

Is it worth it?

Hamish

[robbieduncan]

Originally posted by gotohamish


May I enquire as to where that great deal was had?

Is it worth it?

Hamish

I got mine from eBay. The same people (it's a company) are selling lots more :eBay Auctions (http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=Bluetooth+USB+Faster&ebaytag1code=3&shortcut=2&currdisp=1&maxRecordsReturned=300&maxRecordsPerPage=50&SortProperty=MetaEndSort)

Or you can buy straight from them here Talboom (http://www.talboom.org/)

I think they are based in Germany (that's where mine came from), but ship very quickly (think 2-3 days). Adaptor is brand new, boxed with windows drivers. OSX (10.2.2 here) does not need drivers.

Whether it is worth it is kind of dependant on whether you have any other BlueTooth devices. I've just got a T68i, so for me, yes it's well worth it.

p.s. I don't have anything to do with the above site. I just bought 1 adaptor from them and all was well.

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by robbieduncan


I got mine from eBay. The same people (it's a company) are selling lots more :eBay Auctions (http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=Bluetooth+USB+Faster&ebaytag1code=3&shortcut=2&currdisp=1&maxRecordsReturned=300&maxRecordsPerPage=50&SortProperty=MetaEndSort)

Or you can buy straight from them here Talboom (http://www.talboom.org/)

I think they are based in Germany (that's where mine came from), but ship very quickly (think 2-3 days). Adaptor is brand new, boxed with windows drivers. OSX (10.2.2 here) does not need drivers.

Whether it is worth it is kind of dependant on whether you have any other BlueTooth devices. I've just got a T68i, so for me, yes it's well worth it.

p.s. I don't have anything to do with the above site. I just bought 1 adaptor from them and all was well.

Thanks for that - I've bookmarked the site and might get one soon.

I'm going to Tokyo next month so will try to get the sony one if I can (the smallest external one in the world - the bit that sticks out is smalled than the USB bit!).

Cheers for the help, have a great Christmas.Picture is here... (http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/computer/vaio/acc/index.cfm?PD=9751&KM=PCGA-BA1)

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by orakle
It is not uncommon to make a realese decision just minutes before a keynote...
The public have to wait and see. I personally have waited 2 years for this to happend and it surley seem that it finally is time. I am very pleased with the progress so far.

OMG, either you're a good huckster or good at keeping me on the edge of my seat. Crap, man. I GOTTA know. I'm not in the market for a new machine right now, but a G5 would be nice... and has been on the table for about 2 years... and would make sense for those over-cooled mirror doored hacks they put out in September.

[orakle]

" OMG, either you're a good huckster or good at keeping me on the edge of my seat. Crap, man. I GOTTA know. I'm not in the market for a new machine right now, but a G5 would be nice... and has been on the table for about 2 years... "


Well. Let me put it this way. It's something much bigger than a new CPU. You to can figure it out.
Just combine ceartin industri events that happened in the last 8 month and you too will see what's behind the curtin.

[chubakka]

are we talking MERGER?

there's major industry events every 3 months... be more specific orackle...

Apple purchased major music and special effects players... and nothing has really come about from that.

[rmac]

A little speculation could be fun here. ...past 8 months, huh?

Rendezvous + TCP/IP over Firewire + Firewire 2 + Unix = clustered computing (a.k.a. Junkyard). Use those older computer's unused cycles (OK, that doesn't work with Firewire 2 without an upgrade, but at least through Firewire 1 or Ethernet).

Second guess. Inkwell = Pen sensitive screens. iMac's with tablet like screens that can also rotate 90° into portrait format. Portables too, maybe. Put it in at least some of the new LCD screen line from Apple that is now long overdue.

The usual suspects: iPhone + bluetooth (ahh, relevance to the original thread).

Anyone else want to join in on the speculation? This is fun. Granted that this is also my wishlist, which may be swaying my reasoning abilities. :D

[lmalave]

Originally posted by orakle
It is not uncommon to make a realese decision just minutes before a keynote. That have been the case since way back since the beginnig of the personal computer era. I got in to the business of computers as a proffesional 1985 and I have seen many products that were ready for realese and was hold back in the very last minutes for different reasons. Therefore. Nothing is 100% sure until a company like Apple realese a product officialy. Many things could happen along the way that forces them to cut products that maight be ready. In general Steve has a couple of different keynotes ready depending on the decisions made just before official announcements.

The one product, or maybe I should say the combination of products in the pipeline right now, will be realesed if all conditions can be met.
The public have to wait and see. I personally have waited 2 years for this to happend and it surley seem that it finally is time. I am very pleased with the progress so far.

Hmmm...are we talking digital hub products? I have a feeling Rendezvous is going to come up huge for Apple soon. Rendezvous over 801.11b is cool enough, and if they enable Rendezvous over Bluetooth that would be amazing. Perhaps the different digital devices that have been discussed in these forums will actuall come to fruition: set-top box, phone/PDA, etc., all Rendezvous enabled. Far fetched? Hey, man, it was Jobs himself that said that 2003 was the most important year for apple ever. Perhaps, buoyed by the success of the iPod, Apple is going to aggressively expand beyond the PC to become a premier consumer electronics company like Sony. Think about it. With a few hit products they could make more money than they ever did with computers, and if anything it would also serve to strengthen their computer market share by raising the profile of the Apple brand worldwide...

[mangoman]

...this is gettin' juicy!

[IJ Reilly]

Orakle should be hung up by his thumbs until he either puts up or shuts up. Isn't that how it's done around here? :eek:

[vniow]

Ok we need a member, a lurker and a Demi-God.

Cook a Venezuelan Christmas Duck recipe (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=200997#post200831), take the result and mix it up in a blender and pour it into two mugs.

You must bind the newbies feet so they will fit into the mugs, the liquid will then sink through the pores and make it's way through the bloodstream and act like a truth serum.
But remember you must chant 'The power of arn compels you, the power of arn compels you' otherwise it won't work.

[stewartv]

It occured to me that a probable new feature to the powerbooks besides bluetooth would be a small camera on the lcd screen frame to go with the new video enabled Ichat update in the near future...........do ya think?

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Shadowfax

there are at least 11 available channels on 2.4 GHz, so you would need a heck of a lot of stuff to occupy them all.


Incorrect. There are 11 "channels" (specifically for 802.11b; other technologies will not be using the same channel designations), but they overlap. You can have at most three completely non-overlapping 802.11b channels (1, 6, 11), or four only partially-overlapping channels (leading to a 10-20% performance loss). Any more than that and your cross-channel interference is too great to be useful.

802.11b is a fixed-frequency standard, so you can set it up to use an unoccupied frequency and not have any problems. Until something else decides to use that frequency range, of course.

The problem comes when you mix fixed-frequency and frequency-hopping devices in the same frequency range. IIRC, most 2.4GHz phones are frequency-hopping. Bluetooth is also frequency-hopping. Frequency-hopping is great for the "hopping" transmission as they get to "choose" the best specific frequency based on the conditions of the moment, but they can also land in another devices' frequency and decide that that range is "clean" enough for them, even though it decimates the other device's frequency range.

In my experience, Bluetooth and 2.4GHz phones can cause sporadic and potentially devastating (meaning connection-ending, not world-ending) blackouts of 802.11b networks. Newer WiFi devices are more resilient to such outages, but a year and a half ago most devices on the market could be brought to their knees by an operating microwave oven! In general, most reports on Bluetooth/802.11b say that current 802.11b devices will degrade in performance in the presence of Bluetooth, but that the connection is almost always kept, and that most home users would not even notice it happening.

Most experts suggest that you can keep both BlueTooth and WiFi functioning fairly well by keeping the antennae physically seperated by 2-3 feet, usually by having one device on a USB line a bit away from your box and the other at your CPU. This doesn't bode well for laptop users, of course, where most often the WiFi and BlueTooth dongles are jutting out right next to one another.

Now, were Apple to integrate WiFi and Bluetooth on one machine, they might be able to prohibit the Bluetooth controller from hopping into the WiFi receiver's frequency range. I don't know enough about how the frequency hopping is implemented to say if this is possible, but it would be an elegant solution.

Links:

http://forums.80211-planet.com/showthread.php?threadid=400
http://www.nwfusion.com/net.worker/columnists/2002/0429kistner.html
http://www.a1-electronics.co.uk/PcHardware/Networking/Networking_WirelessG.shtml

[Over Achiever]

Originally posted by graphics84
there are also rumors of a Manufacturing change on the TiSD after the 5th fo December... maybe that was the change...

These rumors are probably refering to the aggressive fan controller...many who have bought the powerbook when it was released had a problem with the right fan coming on constantly with light work, and staying on. Some even say that is was loud.

Here is a thread from MacNN (http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134186) which discusses the fan controller.

So I'm sorry, I'd be surprised if it included bluetooth. :(

[scorpion]

Let's assume orakle's not taunting. (It is the holiday season, after all.) Something huge which combines products and would be quite Apple.

Handheld PDA/MP3/cell phone w/color write-on screen for videoconferencing, all of which works wirelessly via Bluetooth?

Or would this be too bulky?

Any thoughts?

Also, just want to say I've been strictly a Mac owner since 1986 and replaced my PC at work with a Mac at my own expense. Only since Jaguar have I been this pro-Mac and optimistic.

Thanks!

[chewbaccapits]

Has to be a ...what do you call those...Oh, um....damn lost the name......The whatchamacallit........What do you call that thing that steve refered to....Oh.....Um....Errrr....Yes, that thingy...that can...Wait, no, can't say, oh,man ...Well ....Uh......OG....OG....OGOGOGOGOG.....

[orakle]

Well... not all of you are completely lost. Some comments are at least not so far away...

We will all be able to see the results during 2003 but I agree with Steve that this will defenetly be the turning point for Apple. A new era begins and Apple is, as usual, first on the field.

[robbieduncan]

Originally posted by scorpion
Let's assume orakle's not taunting. (It is the holiday season, after all.) Something huge which combines products and would be quite Apple.

Handheld PDA/MP3/cell phone w/color write-on screen for videoconferencing, all of which works wirelessly via Bluetooth?

Or would this be too bulky?

Any thoughts?

Also, just want to say I've been strictly a Mac owner since 1986 and replaced my PC at work with a Mac at my own expense. Only since Jaguar have I been this pro-Mac and optimistic.

Thanks!

Sounds like the soon to be released SE P800 (although I don't think that it can do the video conferencing as the camera is on the back of the phone).

[dsaponaro]

Orakle you are so full of ****. I cant believe anyone is actually humoring you with responses. Im as hopeful as the next mac head but sometimes people want something so bad they become blind. As much as I hope apple WOWs us in a few weeks I just am finding all that orakle is spewing a bit hard to swallow. If Im wrong I challenge him to put up or shut up.

Sorry if this post seems a bit strong minded, Its just my opinion and everyones entightled to there own. So if anyone dissagrees with me...please post away.

cheers all,
dsaponaro@mac.com

[dsaponaro]

Now that Ive ranted a bit...boy o boy do I want apple to release the mother of all cellphones (or some other insanely great digital lifestyle device)

dsaponaro@mac.com

[orakle]

The real issue is not what prodcuct The Apple will ship. It is how it will affect our lifes.

[orakle]

To understand is not to be able to figure out what Apple will show us in january. It is to figure out the need which will be solved.

[lungaretta]

Originally posted by orakle
The real issue is not what prodcuct The Apple will ship. It is how it will affect our lifes.

Ah i see! Apple have diversified and have invented hover-cars! cool, i've always wondered why all the comics and books that i read as a kid lied to me WRT hover-cars in 2000+. finally!

cheers orakle, i'm off to apply for my flying licence right now
:D

[orakle]

"
Ah i see! Apple have diversified and have invented hover-cars! cool, i've always wondered why all the comics and books that i read as a kid lied to me WRT hover-cars in 2000+. finally!

cheers orakle, i'm off to apply for my flying licence right now"

"Whe're going to change the future but with baby steps. One step at a time"

No hover-cars this time!

[lungaretta]

Originally posted by orakle
No hover-cars this time!

gardnammit!

[chewbaccapits]

You wouldn't be that old black lady from the MATRIX, would you?

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by chewbaccapits
You wouldn't be that old black lady from the MATRIX, would you?

"the oracle?" this one is with a k; he doesn't have the presence of the "oracle." buzz, try again....

[BenderBot1138]

I don't know ... this is a very interesting thread... Airport has interesting potential, and I always thought that bluetooth was good as an add on...

What ever Apple says is fine with me... As for the Steve Jobs references early on... Hail to the Chief... It's impossible to be bored when our exalted leader takes the stage... I mean lets face it... the guy is almost single handedly responsible for the Computer Revolution. Everyone else aped and plodded along in the deep tracks on the trail he broke ahead of them.

:cool:

[Endoxic]

Originally posted by orakle
To understand is not to be able to figure out what Apple will show us in january. It is to figure out the need which will be solved.


Talk like Yoda, Orakle does.

[mangoman]

"Do or do not... there is no try!"

[dsaponaro]

iphone or no iphone...there is no PDA.
:D

[fourthtunz]

Hey comon, this Orakle is fun! I bought the mirror Mac, and it's the best deal they've ever had but it still didn't give enough speed for audio stuff but great for video. Anywhoo not much buzz as of late about the big iron so Maybe January will give us a new portable video/tele/music device?

Well apple bought emagic, and some compositing software right so how about a DAW that boots OSx and Widblows? er, maybenot

Ok, just a Mac that is alot faster, cause I love everything about my Macs but the speed,
OK Orakle should I sell my Protools? Let me know so I don't get soaked:D
Daniel

[orakle]

Look for reality and You will see nothing.
Know where to look and You will see everything.


It's not enough to look in the US alone.

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by orakle
Look for reality and You will see nothing.
Know where to look and You will see everything.


It's not enough to look in the US alone.

Ok, Emagic is a German company, on the right path? There is a company called unreal, right?
Daniel:)

[orakle]

Sorry, you are not. Further you must see.

This have to be the last from me. You don't need me anymoore. Apple hurt I don't want to see. Therefore I'll leave and surprised you still will be.

[mangoman]

OK. Enough of this crap, Oracle. You're starting to sound like Sphinx from Mystery Men. Gimme a break already and cut the silly babble.

Put up or shut up, pal. This may be a rumors forum, but that Mysterioso Wagon you're drivin' is parked in the wrong place, dude.

[lungaretta]

wasn't the KPN qwest network up for grabs dirt cheap earlier this year?

maybe iPhone is hooked into apples new purchase of a huge network somehow. i don't know enough facts on it so can someone enlighten me?

[JW Pepper]

Let's look at the facts.

1. He says it is bigger than a processor change.

2. He says it will affect everyone.

3. He is not in the US.

Conclusion.

1. It can't be a merger, anything of that nature would have to be declared immediatly to avoid a false market in shares existing.

2. It could be a change of direction into a consumer electronics company, they have enjoyed great sucess with the iPod, but this sounds very dangerous.

3. Could it be Malarka, it would certainly have an enourmous effect on the world of computing, but I would think that would send Apple to way of OS/2.

I don't know what could really be that big. The only really big thing would be a merger with IBM or Sony or Apple buys Dell, but I can't believe that for the reason given above, legal. The only thing I would say is perhaps we are going to get a significent announcement , but not something that big.

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by orakle
Sorry, you are not. Further you must see.

This have to be the last from me. You don't need me anymoore. Apple hurt I don't want to see. Therefore I'll leave and surprised you still will be.

Aw, thats ok, just havin fun! I like being surprised.
I think a merger, is a cool idea,not mine, but a cool idea.
I still can't wait to see what happens with emagic.
Thanks for stiring things up!
:D daniel