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Mar 27, 2013, 07:09 PM
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Former Apple employee Tim Holmes recently discovered (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tpoholmes/sets/72157633089256151/with/8590665213/) a set of photographs taken on an Apple QuickTake camera -- one of the first digital cameras made -- from the night Steve Jobs returned to Apple after it purchased NeXT.

Holmes notes in the description (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tpoholmes/sets/72157633089256151/with/8590665213/) that the colors are incorrect in the photos because of the poor quality of digital cameras in 1996, and that Jobs' jacket was actually black, not purple.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/03/jobsandchahil.jpgWorking late on a Friday on December 20th at Apple Computer as Mac OS Evangelist, my manager came rushing past my office door saying to come with him to Town Hall, Apple's theater for announcements, company meetings and the like. It was clearly not a company meeting...Joining Jobs' in the image above was Satjiv Chahil (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=632400&ticker=HPQ), Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing at the time.

Article Link: Former Apple Employee Rediscovers Photos from Steve Jobs' First Day Back at Apple (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/27/former-apple-employee-rediscovers-photos-from-steve-jobs-first-day-back-at-apple/)



SamGabbay
Mar 27, 2013, 07:12 PM
Might as well be black & white....

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=404912&stc=1&d=1364429552

WatchTheThrone
Mar 27, 2013, 07:17 PM
It was taken with an iPhone which gave it the infamous "purple hue"!!

John.B
Mar 27, 2013, 07:19 PM
From Tim Holmes' Flickr page:

"I tend to take a camera everywhere, so I had my Apple QuickTake camera, which Steve Jobs killed within the year. The colors are way off due to the poor quality of digital cameras in 1996, Steve's jacket was black in real life."

Makes you wonder why Steve Jobs would kill off a digital camera that rendered black as a vivid shade of purple. ;)

tevion5
Mar 27, 2013, 07:19 PM
Might as well be black & white....

...why?

LimeiBook86
Mar 27, 2013, 07:19 PM
A the QuickTake... I admire him going through the trouble to download the photos off of the camera itself! :D

Andy-V
Mar 27, 2013, 07:23 PM
...why?

Because the colour is all wrong in the original. The B&W is far less garish and your head can fill in the right colours.

Macrolido
Mar 27, 2013, 07:24 PM
Gil Amelio on the right.

Arcady
Mar 27, 2013, 07:27 PM
I have a QuickTake camera, new in the box. I have no way to use it. Now I don't care if I can.

turtlez
Mar 27, 2013, 07:30 PM
It was taken with an iPhone which gave it the infamous "purple hue"!!

iPhone didn't exist back then. Screw Samsung.

mikeheenan
Mar 27, 2013, 07:33 PM
I have a QuickTake camera, new in the box. I have no way to use it. Now I don't care if I can.


Sell it on ebay or something... some fanboy collector (I don't mean that in a bad way) would buy it I'm sure.

chumawumba
Mar 27, 2013, 07:33 PM
At least he has hair

John.B
Mar 27, 2013, 07:37 PM
For anyone else old enough to remember, the purple lends kind of a Bagwan Rajneesh flavor to these pictures.

caliguy
Mar 27, 2013, 07:40 PM
Might as well be black & white....


Or make the jackets black.

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=404917&d=1364431203

macs4nw
Mar 27, 2013, 07:46 PM
Steve looks like a happy camper.....ready to clean house.....

jaw04005
Mar 27, 2013, 07:49 PM
This event was quickly followed by the most awkward Macworld keynote ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhhFQ-3w5tE

towg
Mar 27, 2013, 07:50 PM
I dont believe for one second that Apple sold a camera that made purple into black. And thats from a photographers point of view.

medazinol
Mar 27, 2013, 07:57 PM
I met Gil Amelio in Toronto when he was doing a tour for Apple dealers shortly before they bought NeXT. He was a bit of a bozo, he didn't know what he was really doing.
The good thing that came out of the luncheon though was his quote that I still use today: "Software is not like wine. It doesn't get better sitting on a shelf".

ArtOfWarfare
Mar 27, 2013, 08:35 PM
The wall in the background looks like a fairly dark color, but we know it couldn't have actually been black because then it would look bright purple. What color should that wall be?

Edit: What color is Gil wearing on the right? His jacket came out black...

4TheLoveOfTech
Mar 27, 2013, 08:36 PM
iPhone didn't exist back then. Screw Samsung.

How exactly did you get the "Screw Samsung" from the article?

They never had the Purple Haze syndrome...

He must have taken the picture wrong.

turtlez
Mar 27, 2013, 08:57 PM
How exactly did you get the "Screw Samsung" from the article?

They never had the Purple Haze syndrome...

He must have taken the picture wrong.

Sorry, I thought both things I stated would be obviously humorous ;)

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Or make the jackets black.

Image (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=404917&d=1364431203)

I personally like the purple version more :D

liavman
Mar 27, 2013, 09:00 PM
"..From September 1988 to February 1997, Mr. Chahil served in various capacities, including Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing and the Founding General Manager of the New Media, Internet and Entertainment division.."

Interesting Mr. Chahil who is seen with Jobs in that picture left Apple at the low point and missed out on all the upside and all the fun. Just an observation!!

Bubba Satori
Mar 27, 2013, 09:56 PM
iPhone didn't exist back then. Screw Samsung.

It's not an act, is it?

SoAnyway
Mar 27, 2013, 11:20 PM
I went through the set and seen what appears to be other [former] employees posting comments. I'm wondering if these were meant for the public as a whole or for those in the Apple inner circle. Either way, good to have seen these before they're private.

Anonymous Freak
Mar 28, 2013, 12:09 AM
From Tim Holmes' Flickr page:



Makes you wonder why Steve Jobs would kill off a digital camera that rendered black as a vivid shade of purple. ;)

Wow, yeah.

Although mine still works, and it has never done that. Maybe an early firmware version?

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The wall in the background looks like a fairly dark color, but we know it couldn't have actually been black because then it would look bright purple. What color should that wall be?

Edit: What color is Gil wearing on the right? His jacket came out black...

If you look at "black" clothing under *VERY* bright light, it will often have a tint to it - blue and brown are the most common.

Likewise, they have tint in infrared. That tint is generally much greater than the visible-spectrum tint.

Early digital cameras generally did not have good IR filters. With no IR filter, you see into the infrared, so the IR tint shows up *WAY* more prominently than you would possibly see in real life. In real life, these probably had a very slight brown tint. The sensor doesn't quite know what to make of the extra (infrared) light coming in, so it overloads one or more of the subpixels. In this case, the blue and red ones - causing a purple tint.

Amateur astrophotographers (people who take pictures of stars,) sometimes remove the iR filter from their new/fancy digital camera because it increases the sensitivity - and stars emit IR quite well, too. I've never tried it (my IR-filter-removed camera died last year,) but I would wager that a camera so-modified would take similar pictures.

anthony11
Mar 28, 2013, 01:42 AM
This event was quickly followed by the most awkward Macworld keynote ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhhFQ-3w5tE

That's ... wow. It's like watching Larry Flynt do William Shatner.

needfx
Mar 28, 2013, 03:16 AM
that's a weird gaze n' smirk

BJonson
Mar 28, 2013, 03:55 AM
LOL. See the way Jobs is looking at Satjiv? Jobs canned him shortly after. Satjivs resume says left apple in 1997.

NightFox
Mar 28, 2013, 04:19 AM
I guess these were the days before Steve had adopted his trademark purple turtleneck

gnasher729
Mar 28, 2013, 04:20 AM
Sell it on ebay or something... some fanboy collector (I don't mean that in a bad way) would buy it I'm sure.

Fanboy collector? You mean there are people out there who collect fanboys? Is that legal? :D

vmachiel
Mar 28, 2013, 05:19 AM
Love it, I loved that Amelio guy. I remember him announcing Steve Wozniak on stage at a macworld I believe, and he completely looked the opposite way when Steve was walking towards the stage, not know what way he was suppose to come from:p

AtariMac
Mar 28, 2013, 05:41 AM
I have a Quicktake 150 and a QuickTake 200. Both of which take lousy pictures, but at the time were amazing.

I often forget that most of you here joined the Apple world post Job's return. Heck I'm sure some of you were born post Job's return.

Apple was frankly more interesting when they were fighting for mere survival.

Nozuka
Mar 28, 2013, 05:55 AM
"I liked them before they were popular!!!"

kd5jos
Mar 28, 2013, 06:25 AM
I have a QuickTake camera, new in the box. I have no way to use it. Now I don't care if I can.

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=19023&ISOCountryCode=us&segmentID=1&tsk=

USB to serial cable. If you have to run software, consider using an emulator.

BornAgainMac
Mar 28, 2013, 07:05 AM
Or make the jackets black.


What about make the one man wearing purple and Steve wearing black. Somehow it doesn't look right.

cire
Mar 28, 2013, 07:11 AM
Amateur astrophotographers (people who take pictures of stars,) sometimes remove the iR filter from their new/fancy digital camera because it increases the sensitivity - and stars emit IR quite well, too. I've never tried it (my IR-filter-removed camera died last year,) but I would wager that a camera so-modified would take similar pictures.


Why would celebrities emit more IR...is it the makeup or a side-effect of drug use or Cristal? Is that why they say stars 'shine'? If I bought one of these lousy cameras and used it for my head shots, would I be more likely to be discovered?

Oh...you meant astral stars...sorry...nevermind.

ArtOfWarfare
Mar 28, 2013, 08:05 AM
Wow, yeah.

Although mine still works, and it has never done that. Maybe an early firmware version?

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If you look at "black" clothing under *VERY* bright light, it will often have a tint to it - blue and brown are the most common.

Likewise, they have tint in infrared. That tint is generally much greater than the visible-spectrum tint.

Early digital cameras generally did not have good IR filters. With no IR filter, you see into the infrared, so the IR tint shows up *WAY* more prominently than you would possibly see in real life. In real life, these probably had a very slight brown tint. The sensor doesn't quite know what to make of the extra (infrared) light coming in, so it overloads one or more of the subpixels. In this case, the blue and red ones - causing a purple tint.

Amateur astrophotographers (people who take pictures of stars,) sometimes remove the iR filter from their new/fancy digital camera because it increases the sensitivity - and stars emit IR quite well, too. I've never tried it (my IR-filter-removed camera died last year,) but I would wager that a camera so-modified would take similar pictures.

In an electronics lab when we used IR lights I recall we all just used our smartphone cameras to check if the IR lights were on or not... the IR LED showed up purple on my iPhone 3GS.

SockRolid
Mar 28, 2013, 12:05 PM
Joining Jobs' in the image above was Satjiv Chahil, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing at the time.

I can imagine that the meeting went something like this:

Chahil: "Hey Steve! Welcome back!"
Jobs: "And you are?"
Chahil: "Satjiv, President of Worldwide Marketing."
Jobs: "Can you think different?"
Chahil: "Think? Different? Why would I want to do that?"
Jobs: "You're fired, bozo."

liavman
Mar 28, 2013, 05:19 PM
Wow, Did Jobs really fire Chahil within a couple of months? But Jobs was not CEO then. May be Chahil went with Gil Amelio when Gil was let go.

This event was quickly followed by the most awkward Macworld keynote ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhhFQ-3w5tE

In this video Chahil is all front and center towards the end as if he ran the whole show.

Abacab
Mar 28, 2013, 05:44 PM
I like it and Prince was popular then.
Didn't Kodak collaborate on that one?

APlotdevice
Mar 28, 2013, 06:50 PM
Might as well be black & white....

Image (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=404912&stc=1&d=1364429552)

Or make the jackets black.

Image (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=404917&d=1364431203)

I prefer the black and white, as it masks the oversaturated skintones as well.

Squilly
Mar 28, 2013, 07:23 PM
Awww.... miss you Steve!

thekev
Mar 28, 2013, 07:45 PM
What about make the one man wearing purple and Steve wearing black. Somehow it doesn't look right.

Of course it doesn't look right. He removed all saturation, which isn't realistic, especially when the rest of the photo remains unchanged. It may have been an issue of the processing used by the camera at the time. It looks like the dark background threw off the exposure control, which can cause weird color shifts in the now over exposed subjects.

Natekhsirv
Mar 29, 2013, 01:26 AM
"..From September 1988 to February 1997, Mr. Chahil served in various capacities, including Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing and the Founding General Manager of the New Media, Internet and Entertainment division.."

Interesting Mr. Chahil who is seen with Jobs in that picture left Apple at the low point and missed out on all the upside and all the fun. Just an observation!!
So true, if he had remained, i would have got to see a fellow Punjabi Indian presenting iPhones and Macs at the Keynoites . How cool would be that !

In none of the Keynotes, hgave I ever seen a woman or a black or Indian guy presenting . The apple SVP s like most of their their products are all white, so unlike Google ! (Android head Sundar P . and many high ranking Google executives are from India )

tekboi
Mar 29, 2013, 02:34 AM
Wait, so their suits were really black and white? I'm a little confused here. :confused:

thejadedmonkey
Mar 29, 2013, 02:43 AM
From Tim Holmes' Flickr page:



Makes you wonder why Steve Jobs would kill off a digital camera that rendered black as a vivid shade of purple. ;)

With that logic, one might wonder why we research anything. As I recall, in 1996 the predominant cameras all used something called film.

koruki
Mar 29, 2013, 03:46 AM
Satjiv Chahil: Hi Steve, they call me the Global Marketing GURU :D

Steve: Oh yeah? how does it feel to meet the GOD of Marketing? :cool:

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I have a Quicktake 150 and a QuickTake 200. Both of which take lousy pictures, but at the time were amazing.

I often forget that most of you here joined the Apple world post Job's return. Heck I'm sure some of you were born post Job's return.

Apple was frankly more interesting when they were fighting for mere survival.

by "interesting" do you mean "borderline bankrupt"?:confused:

truettray
Mar 29, 2013, 10:51 AM
I met Gil Amelio in Toronto when he was doing a tour for Apple dealers shortly before they bought NeXT. He was a bit of a bozo, he didn't know what he was really doing.
The good thing that came out of the luncheon though was his quote that I still use today: "Software is not like wine. It doesn't get better sitting on a shelf".

Wow tell us more bro...

That quote, albeit true, is pretty silly.

wxman2003
Mar 29, 2013, 11:38 AM
http://forums.macrumors.com/picture.php?albumid=857&pictureid=2829