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medea
Dec 12, 2002, 02:46 PM
everyone has had their ideas about what apple's supposedly new digital device could be, from an iPhone to a Tablet and for some reason something to do with TV's, but spymac.com has suggested.....a printer.
-"Agreed, an Apple-developed printer sounds a bit mundane in a market with a lust for purely-digital devices, but I'm confident Apple could amaze us with a line of printers that featured their usual mix of minimalist design, integration and use of open standards. Bluetooth enabled; a shiny Apple logo gleaming on the front; flawless integration with consumer applications such as iPhoto...
It's not very likely, however. With intense competition from industry giants, an Apple-developed line of printers would have to compete in an established and crowded market -- more risk than even the iPod initially faced.
With Hewlett-Packard expecting "imaging and printing revenues to grow 10 percent annually over the next three years," the market is certainly healthy..."-

Now at first I thought, why the hell would they do that, but then I started thinking about it and an Apple printer would be awesome, I mean I like my epson printer but its a cheap one that I bought because I needed one and I was spending a lot on my new iMac but I am currently looking into a new better one and one for printing digital photos, just imagine a new apple designed streamlined printer that would match my iMac, now Im interested in one purely by design interests but they could go so far with it as well such as the above mentioned iPhoto integration. They of course would need a manufacturer and who better than epson? ******* HP......Yes this would be a tough market to break into, but why there would surely be enough interest in one right, you tell me?

of course I also realise that for some reason I am a vicitim of the Apple trademark (like so many others) and the idea of anything bearing an apple logo seems cool for some reason, and this bothers me to an extent, but not enough to keep me from pulling my wallet out at the sight of an apple cellphone, pda, or even a printer.....damn that Steve Jobs!

Chaszmyr
Dec 12, 2002, 03:07 PM
I just don't get it... What would an Apple printer do that an Epson, HP, or Lexmark printer doesnt do?

DakotaGuy
Dec 12, 2002, 03:37 PM
Didn't Apple sell printers for years and years? I think they went out of the printer business about 5 years ago after making them for about 10 years or more. I think there was probably less and less business for them after everything became USB and standardized. HP and Epson probably take care of most Apple sales these days.

gopher
Dec 12, 2002, 03:43 PM
Apple for the most part while selling printers under their name actually used Canon and HP engines on many of their printers.

backspinner
Dec 12, 2002, 03:44 PM
nice idea for a poll

Sun Baked
Dec 12, 2002, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Chaszmyr
I just don't get it... What would an Apple printer do that an Epson, HP, or Lexmark printer doesnt do?
That extra little bit of profit that Apple can capture at the Point-of-Sale for the computer system.

Most likely Apple wouldn't produce the printers and/or package them but buy them complete with Apple packaging and Logo direct from HP, Epson, Canon, etc.

Having Apple brand printers also opens the possibility of offering Mac users the option of an Apple Computer bundle (iMac, speakers, printer, etc.).

HasanDaddy
Dec 12, 2002, 03:51 PM
I would LOVE an apple printer

Lexmark, HP, and Epson just don't know how to make a printer...............they're crap are pieces of junk...............

If Apple makes a printer, I will BLINDLY purchase it and unless it physically bites my hand off, I will never look back

daveg5
Dec 12, 2002, 04:12 PM
its called a stylewriter 1200 still going strong except not in OSX.
If Apple can make a inkjet that will last as long as my stylewriter I would definately consider it. it should have bluetooth or airport option though and who will build it, we they use hp or canon again.

arnette
Dec 12, 2002, 04:15 PM
An Apple-branded or created printer is dumb and will never happen. HP, Lexmark and Canon have the market and Apple doesn't need the extra hassle of quality assurance/development of another peripheral.

I'm sure Apple gets a tidy little discount from Canon to offer Canon printers in the Apple Stores (physical) and their Apple Store website. That's the only place that they'd make money from selling printers.

arn
Dec 12, 2002, 04:44 PM
I just wanted to point out - to make sure everyone is aware - Apple made printers for quite some time. In fact, Apple's early Laserprinter was a big factor in the success of the Macintosh and the emergance of Desktop Publishing.

Regardless... when Apple was hemorraging money... discontinuing Printers was one of the things that it did to try to slim down.

That's not to say they won't go back...

arn

macktheknife
Dec 12, 2002, 05:45 PM
Yup, Apple definitely made printers until the late 90s. I still fondly remember the old LaserWriter and StyleWriter humming away near my Dad's Macs in the house. Nowadays, however, HP and Lexmark have a pretty strong hold on the printer market. Design isn't worth as much for a printer than a computer, so I can't see Apple going back into this market and making some decent profit.

daveg5
Dec 12, 2002, 06:14 PM
I dont actually want apple to manufactor a printer.
I want them to design the casing to match there products. firewire of course, along with bluetooth and airport options and the drivers of course.
Epson ,hp,canon lexmark. or maybe a $499 color Laser with firewire2 and usb and the aforementioned options. It does not need the best stats just Apple drivers and support and great looks I would buy it now.

iconrad
Dec 12, 2002, 08:54 PM
why on earth would you kneed firewire on a printer?? let alown firewire2. It just dosen't make sense, USB is 10 mbps which is plenty fast for a printer.

JSRockit
Dec 12, 2002, 09:09 PM
I would buy one if it had Apple typical great design, comparible resolution to all printers on the market, had archival inks, and had a competitive price. An Apple photo printer that is.

daveg5
Dec 12, 2002, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by iconrad
why on earth would you kneed firewire on a printer?? let alown firewire2. It just dosen't make sense, USB is 10 mbps which is plenty fast for a printer.
Well if it is a nice looking inkjet, maybe just maybe it could get its power from the firewire port, i think one less cord would be great. if it is a Laser with a Large buffer, I would guess 32MB at least for some photo shop images, you could have the buffer loaded up in 1 second flat which means less wear on the other apps you are working on. this is much more effiecent then background printing. excuse my penmanship.
plus its apples technology and should be used but most of all its just cool.
What do you think?

big
Dec 12, 2002, 09:45 PM
I too still have a stylewriter, and it will work in classic, any ways, its in the garage, but still works when I try it once a year.

my epson is ok here at the house, but not as nice as the apple laser we have in the office, that thing is FAT daddy! I will buy a new machine in about 5 years, then a new printer with it, who ever has trhe best product at the time...but one thing, frekin printer ink should all be universal, its the heads that one sees the major differences in anyways, not the ink so much.

cheers!

cubist
Dec 12, 2002, 09:55 PM
... it does the bulk of my b&w printing. I got a gob of toner carts, the machine has printed over 25000 pages and is still going strong. I have a tek 540 plus for color printing. Because I could never get any of the FastPath boxes to work, I use an old SuperMac clone to run LaserWriter Bridge to print on the LaserWriter.

Arn's observations are, as usual, very astute. I seriously doubt that Apple would return to the printer market. The low-end ink jets are priced under $100, no way to make money there; the high-end market has more room, but volume is tiny.

Those who wish to get an Apple-branded printer are recommended to look in the used market for a LaserWriter IIntx or later PostScript laser printer with an Ethernet interface. Such a machine uses the same cartridges as popular HP lasers; it will run basically forever, producing excellent quality output. Just plug it onto your LAN and print away.

But pay attention to whom you buy it from - shipping from Hawaii could be very expensive, as they are very heavy devices!

daveg5
Dec 12, 2002, 09:59 PM
I will have to boot up classic to try it out, i thought the serial ports were not reconized. maybe my opcode midi box will work also.
The wall mart had the canon equiv ink bco2 for just $10 and thats about all I use in a year. my brother has the epson c82 nice printer.

big
Dec 12, 2002, 10:05 PM
I'm using an Apple extended Keyboard II, on serial, it should recognize a printer on the same bus (is that serial, or another connection? the beige keyboards that came with the original G3's, & fased out with the G4's)

iJon
Dec 12, 2002, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by big
I'm using an Apple extended Keyboard II, on serial, it should recognize a printer on the same bus (is that serial, or another connection? the beige keyboards that came with the original G3's, & fased out with the G4's)
If I remember right they are two different connectors. Your keyboard isnt serial, its adb. and i believe old mac printers used the localtalk port. they look exactly the same besides the pins inside. so no it woudnt work to as far as my knowledge. I think i am right but not positive, i will wait for someone who has and older computer who can confirm my answer.

iJon

daveg5
Dec 12, 2002, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by big
I'm using an Apple extended Keyboard II, on serial, it should recognize a printer on the same bus (is that serial, or another connection? the beige keyboards that came with the original G3's, & fased out with the G4's)
the keyboard and mouse on the biege g3 and blue g3 was adb and adb and usb respectively.

Nipsy
Dec 12, 2002, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by daveg5
It does not need the best stats just Apple drivers and support and great looks I would buy it now.

I on the other hand, prefer the looks of the prints to the looks of the printer.

Sadly, printers are a razors/blades product. A $500 dollar apple inkjet may be fabulous, well built, last forever, and make great prints, but won't sell well when a $99 Epson makes the same great prints.

A $99 Apple Printer may make great prints, and look better than the current crop, but won't have the longevity, build quality or engineering to set it apart.

Printers are a cut throat market, with slim margins, and a reliance on ink sales. HP & Epson, to a degree Lexmark & Canon, have done the research and control the market, and I feel that HP Laserjets and high end Epson inkjets are built like tanks.

Apple does really well attacking emerging markets, and becoming "the" product to own:
LCD = Cinema Display
MP3 = iPod
All in one = iMac

I think another entrant into the saturated printer market would just further muddy the waters, and would much rather see Apple apply their R & D somewhere where the can be the best of breed in an emerging market.

iJon
Dec 12, 2002, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by Nipsy


I on the other hand, prefer the looks of the prints to the looks of the printer.

Sadly, printers are a razors/blades product. A $500 dollar apple inkjet may be fabulous, well built, last forever, and make great prints, but won't sell well when a $99 Epson makes the same great prints.

A $99 Apple Printer may make great prints, and look better than the current crop, but won't have the longevity, build quality or engineering to set it apart.

Printers are a cut throat market, with slim margins, and a reliance on ink sales. HP & Epson, to a degree Lexmark & Canon, have done the research and control the market, and I feel that HP Laserjets and high end Epson inkjets are built like tanks.

Apple does really well attacking emerging markets, and becoming "the" product to own:
LCD = Cinema Display
MP3 = iPod
All in one = iMac

I think another entrant into the saturated printer market would just further muddy the waters, and would much rather see Apple apply their R & D somewhere where the can be the best of breed in an emerging market.

I completly agree. Apple got out of this business a long time ago and were very smart. Let the printer people make printers.

ibjoshua
Dec 12, 2002, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by iJon


I completly agree. Apple got out of this business a long time ago and were very smart. Let the printer people make printers.

I also agree but can't help thinking a single model, low profile 'portable' photo printer that does 6"x4" wouldn't be a big loser.
Imagine something not much bigger than an iPod.

Re: Firewire or not
I believe there are already mid to high end printers with firewire. I don't know if it is possible but if you had IP over firewire it would be very useful for network printers and would beat USB hands down.

i_b_joshua

sonofking
Dec 13, 2002, 01:06 AM
As has been stated several times...Apple was in the printer business once before.

I don't think they'll get into it again, mostly because they'd end up hurting themselves. I imagine that HP doesn't share code with Lexmark doesn't share code with Canon because they all want competitive advantage. They do each have to get "here's how to make your stuff work"-code from Apple though...and if Apple got back into the printer business, they might end up being reluctant to share for competitive advantage reasons...which would then make those other companies pretty sore at Apple.

Then those other companies start saying "Fine, screw you and your Rendezvous and all your other spectacular technology" and Apple gets hurt by losing that support from other companies.

I don't think Apple will get back into the printer business, but I do think they'll court the top printer companies for support of the things they want to do in the OS...which means that change occurs slower than when Apple owns "the whole thing" since they have to convince everyone to take a chance on new technologies. So it'll be a while, but you know wide-spread support of firewire and bluetooth and rendezvous is coming...

PS. The people who create those movie posters that have been used in MacWorld photoshop comparison tests...they could definitely use a firewire connection to their printers...

pimentoLoaf
Dec 13, 2002, 02:26 AM
Would buy an Apple printer?

Only if it said HP in the fine print, as I'm quite happy with their product line.

(Owner of a 1215. :D )

GeeYouEye
Dec 13, 2002, 02:42 AM
I'd love to see an Apple printer again. Though they actually designed very few of their own printers (the ImageWriter II, the StyleWriter 2200 and the Personal LaserWriter come to mind), those printers have lasted years without so much as a hiccup. I know I'd buy one if it ever came out. Especially a decent portable printer. The current HP one is horrible, especially compared to the 2200. Heck, I'd still be using the 2200 if I could get a working USB-->serial adapter (sadly, no luck with the one from Belkin). Or if they had a desktop printer with the form factor of the 2500, I'd get that to replace my current Epson Stylus Color 740. But realistically, IF Apple ever returns to the printer market, I think it'll be more likely in the mid to high range laser printers. Why? Because people are willing to shell out more cash at the point of sale for a laserwriter than an inkjet. That, and toner cartridges can be sold for higher prices than ink tanks.

superkatalog
Dec 13, 2002, 03:51 AM
we own a personal laserwriter ls and a pl nt. both 10 to 12 years old. they work and work and work. with a stealth adapter for the desktop g4 and a keyspan serial adapter for the tibook.
i would be great to see printers from apple. but what will the price tag be? i think this and the crowded market are the big problems...

BenderBot1138
Dec 13, 2002, 05:51 AM
I'd buy anything that Apple made.

:cool:

daveg5
Dec 13, 2002, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by i_b_joshua


I also agree but can't help thinking a single model, low profile 'portable' photo printer that does 6"x4" wouldn't be a big loser.
Imagine something not much bigger than an iPod.

Re: Firewire or not
I believe there are already mid to high end printers with firewire. I don't know if it is possible but if you had IP over firewire it would be very useful for network printers and would beat USB hands down.

i_b_joshua
I think canon and hp make a small 4x6 photo printer ome was thermal for no dots, just think with Apple design and powered thru firewire.
for Apple it is just as cheaper to have firewire then usb because it is thier baby and for high end laser printer and large size ink jets with immense buffers like those at kinkos it would be an extreme time saver and will free up your machine for the next job.
I read somewhere that Apple has suceeded in ip over firewire.
http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=1385

oldMac
Dec 13, 2002, 07:07 AM
I don't think Apple should make printers, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to team up with Canon or HP and have them make special models that are "Apple certified".

The reasoning is simple... Most printers have pretty poor Mac drivers and the user-experience is very random when you buy a printer for the Mac. Not to mention the poor hardware quality of some of them (paper jams, etc).

Apple should team with one or more printer manufacturers and have more stringent criteria for the quality required to get an "Apple Gold Certified" label. Then Apple should promote the heck out of the program, sell the products via the Apple stores and web site, etc.

The idea would be that you can buy an "Apple Gold Certified" product and know that you're buying into a good experience.

I would gladly pay $200 for an inkjet that was as reliable and well-supported as my trusty StyleWriter II was. (Paid about $300 for that baby back in '92. Still works after some minor "home depot" repair - replaced O-rings.)

rugby
Dec 13, 2002, 07:10 AM
Apple would be foolish to offer printers at this time. Epson/HP/Lexmark sell all their inkjet printers at a loss and make their profit on the cartridges. Unless Apple starts rebranding carts also, there's no profit to be made. To make anything on the printer itself they'll have to charge significantly more than the other manufacturers. Who would buy an Apple branded printer for $40 more than the identical HP printer?

daveg5
Dec 13, 2002, 07:17 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by oldMac
[B]I don't think Apple should make printers, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to team up with Canon or HP and have them make special models that are "Apple certified".

An excellant idea.
As many in this thread can attest thier old apple printers are extremely reliable no matter who produced them. my 1200 stylewriter (canon i think} is still going strong and i believe supported in classic although i have not tried it yet there.
Apple certified who hopefully means regular driver updates. which is much needed.
This could also extend to scanners an exspecially sore OSX driver spot for Apple.
Basically reliabilty and support are number one and two.
Features, speed and styling would follow although I would love to see some great styling in this area. The canon scanners thin line are cool looking

JSRockit
Dec 13, 2002, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by big
frekin printer ink should all be universal, its the heads that one sees the major differences in anyways, not the ink so much.

cheers! [/B]

Ink are not all universal. There are archival inks that last a long time and there is garbage. There is nothing worse then having a photograph fade after a few months.

pantagruel
Dec 13, 2002, 10:31 AM
well I know that if I had my choice between an HP printer and a Apple printer that was the exact same thing as the HP except it had Apple's design and it was only "$40" more I would pay the extra for the Apple one. also everyone keeps reminding us that Apple has already made printers but thats not the question here is it its would you buy a new one now? they stopped like 10 years ago.
I think the idea of a new apple designed printer with rendezvouz built in for iPhoto connection and who knows what else would be great, except for new ink printers havent had much advancement so I think its about time!

backdraft
Dec 13, 2002, 11:15 AM
Yes, if it was manufactured by epson. Dell's is going to sell their own branded printer manufactured by lexmark.

I would also like an Apple branded two button mouse with scroll wheel manufactured by logitech. Apple makes terrible mouses, after two weeks of use the cable is loose and the mouse freezes onscreen unless I push the cord in. Apple keyboards are also flimsy, they should use the same white plastic found on the iMac's case instead of the clear one, its smoother and sturdier. I don't want to buy a new keyboard and mouse every couple of month's you know.

JSRockit
Dec 13, 2002, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by backdraft
Yes, if it was manufactured by epson. Dell's is going to sell their own branded printer manufactured by lexmark.

I would also like an Apple branded two button mouse with scroll wheel manufactured by logitech. Apple makes terrible mouses, after two weeks of use the cable is loose and the mouse freezes onscreen unless I push the cord in. Apple keyboards are also flimsy, they should use the same white plastic found on the iMac's case instead of the clear one, its smoother and sturdier. I don't want to buy a new keyboard and mouse every couple of month's you know.

I use an Apple mouse and never had this problem...what have you been doing that the cord is coming loose?

e-coli
Dec 13, 2002, 11:50 AM
It would be nearly impossible for them to make a better printer than Epson.

color laser printers, however, have a ways to go.

e-coli
Dec 13, 2002, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by backdraft
Apple makes terrible mouses, after two weeks of use the cable is loose and the mouse freezes onscreen unless I push the cord in. Apple keyboards are also flimsy, they should use the same white plastic found on the iMac's case instead of the clear one, its smoother and sturdier. I don't want to buy a new keyboard and mouse every couple of month's you know.

never had a problem with either one. what, exactly, are you doing with your mouse and keyboard? ;)

medea
Dec 13, 2002, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by e-coli


never had a problem with either one. what, exactly, are you doing with your mouse and keyboard? ;)

Yeah I use both the pro mouse and pro keyboard and have had zero issues with either, I have even dropped my keyboard twice and it didnt crack or pop open or anything. I can't belive that the mouse cord would come out like that unless you were swinging it around or something, perhaps it was just a bad mouse?

daveg5
Dec 13, 2002, 01:25 PM
I had a similar problem with the mouse on my brothers imac the problem was not really the mouse but the cord was to stiff and short and would lose contact and stop working until you pushed it back in.
I promptly replaced it with a (microsoft ouch there hardware products are actually pretty good and have good mac support) 4 button and scroll optical for $50. When browsing, the back and forth buttons and scroll wheel are a real time saver, Apple is a bout 2 years behind every one else in this catagory on the other hand my 10 year old adb mouse still works fine and when i worked at Compusa we tried to destroy a hockey puck mouse by slamming it into concrete and running it over with a forklift and many other godforsaken things, then we plug it in and lo and behold it still worked, it even impressed the Apple sucks crowd.
I just saw the Logitec RF optical with recharging stand , just beautiful http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?page=products/details&crid=3&contentid=4999&countryid=19&languageid=1. apple needs a 4 button scrolling optical wireless (maybe bluetooth mouse yesterday already) maybe a 2 button scroller for consumer models along with a wireless keyboard an Imac would look really great with no wires for the keyboard, mouse, printer, just speakers. of couse apple third party suppliers may not want this but its time.

flanders
Dec 13, 2002, 01:38 PM
if you really want an Apple printer, check out ebay...all your favourites are there. Just look for anything networkable and at least 600dpi.

All of my Apple printers are working fine w/OSX (laserwriters, all networkable) and should be for years to come. I even have spares (my second laserwriter 12/640PS comes to mind) that I'm putting up on ebay shortly.

Their laserwriters were attractive little workhorses, but I don't think for a minute that Apple's getting back into the printer business...they'll leave that to the HP's and Canon's to deal with.

Sun Baked
Dec 13, 2002, 01:53 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the HP LaserJets, mine was buit in 96/97 and has chewed it's way through 114500 pages.

Since it's always had an ethernet card and a localtalk port it's never failed to be usefull, of course the times it's needed a ethernet port firmware upgrade were a PIA.

But it is also a huge, heavy, ugly monster that dims the lights when it first kicks on.

jholzner
Dec 17, 2002, 01:49 AM
Well, even when Apple was into selling printers...they really weren't theirs. They just slapped an Apple Logo on first, Canon printers, and then HP printers. I don't recall Apple's pricing on these printers but knowing Apple I'm sure they were more expensive than the same printer labeled as Canon and HP. I don't think it's a good place for them to be and they were right in dropping printers when they did. They can't really be that innovative with printers...too crowded already with products that work very well.

jefhatfield
Dec 23, 2002, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by BenderBot1138
I'd buy anything that Apple made.

:cool:

same here...assuming i had the need and the money

i wish apple would make more affordable products and make their net profit from big sales instead of small sales with a huge markup:rolleyes:

Flickta
Dec 23, 2002, 12:53 PM
I have a StyleWriter II, 1994. It works. Some problems with paper feeding, though. But I love its overall look, especially compared with modern printers (which have so many spare plastic, that one can be easily splitted in two), ugly examples of poor design. It' s just my opinion, but I'd love to buy a nice Apple-printer...
And I miss their old colorful logo...