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MacRumors
Apr 2, 2013, 11:53 AM
http://images.macrumors.com/im/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/02/firefox-20-for-mac-adds-download-manager-and-new-private-browsing-features/)


http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/01/firefox.pngMozilla has today launched Firefox 20 (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/), adding a number of significant improvements to the browser. Users are now able to initiate private browsing without the need to open a new window or close a current browsing session.

There is a new function in place that allows users to close a hanging plugin without the need to shut down the entire browser, and the update also includes a new download manager in the Firefox toolbar.

The download manager can be accessed by clicking on the down arrow button on the right side of the search bar. When clicked, the arrow will show the drop down file manager, displaying all downloads and providing a progress bar for files that are in the process of downloading. Tools allow users to pause/resume downloads, cancel, go to the download page, and open the downloads folder.

Firefox version 20 also includes (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/20.0/releasenotes/) several bug fixes, performance improvements, and new tools for developers. This version of Firefox comes approximately six weeks after the release of Firefox 19 (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/18/firefox-19-for-mac-now-available-for-download/).

Firefox 20 for the Mac is available for download (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/) from the Mozilla website.

Article Link: Firefox 20 for Mac Adds Download Manager and New Private Browsing Features (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/02/firefox-20-for-mac-adds-download-manager-and-new-private-browsing-features/)



Rudy69
Apr 2, 2013, 11:54 AM
Still has the old school scroll bars :/

york2600
Apr 2, 2013, 11:57 AM
Still has the old school scroll bars :/

Which is a good thing

markob
Apr 2, 2013, 11:59 AM
Until (after YEARS) they finally fix memory leaks in Firefox I don't really care what they add, using 1GB ram with one simple HTML document opened? Really? Firefox has basically become the new IE, when other browsers get proper Firebug I'll finally be able to uninstall this resource hog off my system.

starfx6464
Apr 2, 2013, 12:02 PM
Still has the old school scroll bars :/

Blurgh... I take this to also mean that the stupid "scroll to go back/forward" or whatever it's called is still implemented in the same, crappy way as always. Heaven forbid I want a simple visual cue that I'm about to go back/forward a page because my fingers slid to one side or the other because I'm lazy like that.

JAT
Apr 2, 2013, 12:06 PM
The feature I am waiting for is a team of commandos to go visit every company that makes IE-specific websites and beat them until they join the 21st century. Is that on Mozilla's list?

ArtOfWarfare
Apr 2, 2013, 12:08 PM
That download manager sounds like an amazing feature and I can't believe no one has done it before.

Oh wait...

CodeBreaker
Apr 2, 2013, 12:12 PM
I wish it rendered web pages as quickly as it changes version numbers.

Formul
Apr 2, 2013, 12:13 PM
the old scrollbars just ruin the browser for me ...

QCassidy352
Apr 2, 2013, 12:18 PM
I'm holding out for Firefox 42. Probably only a few weeks away, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

york2600
Apr 2, 2013, 12:31 PM
Until (after YEARS) they finally fix memory leaks in Firefox I don't really care what they add, using 1GB ram with one simple HTML document opened? Really? Firefox has basically become the new IE, when other browsers get proper Firebug I'll finally be able to uninstall this resource hog off my system.

13 tabs open for over a day and I'm using 712 megs. It's not the RAM hog it once was

thebluepointe
Apr 2, 2013, 12:42 PM
While I am a huge fan of Chrome, I still enjoy using Firefox, primarily because of its extensions system. While Chrome has made significant improvements to its addon quality and quantity, Firefox often has better solutions for the ones I use most commonly (key words, "I use"). They tend to get updated faster too.

As far as looks, I use FXChrome (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/fxchrome/?src=api) theme which basically makes Firefox look like Chrome for Mac. I also use Foobar (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foobar/) for a unified search/address bar.

In terms of speed, on my modern fast system with 16GB of RAM, the differences between Firefox and Chrome on my system are negligible.

towg
Apr 2, 2013, 12:43 PM
The Firefox guys must be the most overworked company ever.

Northgrove
Apr 2, 2013, 12:50 PM
Still has the old school scroll bars :/
Unfortunately, the bug is pretty old now because it seems to be complicated. :/

The bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636564

Edit: But I see now that they've recently started getting actual code in now. Yay! But since it's all early stuff for the nightlies, I guess it'll be until Firefox 23 or something for the general public to see.

AngelOfSoul
Apr 2, 2013, 12:53 PM
I swear to god the download manager icon at the top right is so familiar to me. Sorry Firefox, I'm done with copycats. Trashed already.

Come on people, be original.

Next...

Northgrove
Apr 2, 2013, 12:54 PM
I wish it rendered web pages as quickly as it changes version numbers.
I actually think that Firefox is getting pretty fast these days.

larrylaffer
Apr 2, 2013, 12:55 PM
To every Chrome user here making fun of Firefox's rapid release cycle, there are no words....

bigpics
Apr 2, 2013, 01:04 PM
13 tabs open for over a day and I'm using 712 megs. It's not the RAM hog it once was

Not as bad as it used to be for sure, but could be better - and I find the same "RAM creep" happening with Chrome over a day or two.

"Cool Previews" is the one extension that keeps bringing me back to FireFox, though. There's still nothing exactly equivalent on Chrome and it sure saves actually opening a ton of links and than going back to the source, e.g., Apple Insider's underneath this CP pop-up window as I type this, and I'll be back on AI's home page as soon as I press the ESC key.

Liking open source software development as a concept is another decent plus. So I'll forgive Mozilla a few aesthetic lapses. (Lack of compatibility with some sites does bother me more, admittedly.)

Are there any other non-profit software programs that have been this successful (in terms of numbers of users) for this long? I'm sure there are more people running FF than every Linux distro (not specifically maintained by a for-profit corp) combined, e.g....

Baklava
Apr 2, 2013, 01:04 PM
I'm holding out for Firefox 42. Probably only a few weeks away, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

Actually, Firefox 109 will be worth upgrading.

the8thark
Apr 2, 2013, 01:04 PM
While I am a huge fan of Chrome
I can't stand chrome. For many many reasons. But why do you like it? What makes it good for you? I'm willing to give chrome another try to see if it's with using again. But not on my Mac of cause. I'll use another as a test to see if it's any good.

So I'm asking pretty much for your reasons as to why I should test out chrome again.

philr5150
Apr 2, 2013, 01:15 PM
Actually, Firefox 109 will be worth upgrading.

But yet, Chrome updates twice as fast as Firefox but no-one mentions that. Wonder why... oh yeah, it's Google, which is a dirty 4-letter word in the Mac world. Silly me.

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I swear to god the download manager icon at the top right is so familiar to me. Sorry Firefox, I'm done with copycats. Trashed already.

Come on people, be original.

Next...

Trashed because of an icon? Too much free time, dude.

Jeaz
Apr 2, 2013, 01:17 PM
Firefox used to play a big part in the post-Netscape era. There was a time when Internet Explorer had muscled out Netscape and was pretty much the king of the web, and with that power IE ignored standards and made a lot of propriety crap.
But with Firefox and in part Opera, better alternatives emerged and forced Microsoft to up their game on IE. But with Safari, Chrome and a better IE, Firefox is really struggling to stay important. It's a bit sad though.

locoboi187
Apr 2, 2013, 01:23 PM
I just want a smooth pinch to zoom. That's all. Chrome and Firefox don't do that for me which is why I use safari.

thebluepointe
Apr 2, 2013, 01:32 PM
I can't stand chrome. For many many reasons. But why do you like it? What makes it good for you? I'm willing to give chrome another try to see if it's with using again. But not on my Mac of cause. I'll use another as a test to see if it's any good.

So I'm asking pretty much for your reasons as to why I should test out chrome again.

Well, many of the things I like about it, I've been able to replicate with Firefox themes/extensions. Primarily I like the unified search/address bar. I also think it is much tidier with the bookmarks toolbar. Much quicker for me. I like that I've never had to restart Chrome to install/update extensions...they work immediately. I like that it updates flash automatically and internally. I like that it has its own "Task Manager" (View Background Pages) so I can kill individual extensions that might be misbehaving or tabs. Also lets me see if certain extensions are being a resource hog. Chrome also runs individual extensions in their own process (all those Google Chrome Worker processes you see in Activity Monitor).

Again, I don't think Chrome's addon system is quite up to par, but it does seem to be improving. Chrome does have one extension I love that Firefox does not have: Stylebot (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha). While many of the things it does are just as achievable by extensions such as Stylish or User Style Manager; Stylebot has a great live editing system which can be used to quickly "hide" elements on a website or just style them as Stylish does. Of course this isn't a big deal for most users, I'd guess. But I like it and helps makes up for Adblock Plus' poor element hiding in Chrome that is handled so well in Firefox.

The other feature I use in Chrome is their Remote Desktop (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahfdphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp) plugin. I use it to remote into my parent's computer. I find it much more secure than most free VNC or RDC solutions and it is very simple from my parent's perspective.

Since I own a Nexus 7, I love that I can use Chrome's user sign-in feature to sync my bookmarks and other info between browsers. If I were to, say, buy a new laptop...simply by signing into Chrome, all of my user settings and extensions (that I didn't manually install) would automatically install. Its a bit like Firefox Sync, but much more powerful.

Personally, if you have a solution that works, why switch. Every browser has its upsides and downsides. In the end, it really matters if the browser you use provides solutions that benefit you.

Watabou
Apr 2, 2013, 02:06 PM
I'm holding out for Firefox 42. Probably only a few weeks away, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

Great! Chrome would be something like version 46. What is your point?

the8thark
Apr 2, 2013, 02:19 PM
Personally, if you have a solution that works, why switch. Every browser has its upsides and downsides. In the end, it really matters if the browser you use provides solutions that benefit you.

Thanks you for your very long post.
I do have a solution that works for me. But no solution is foolproof. That's why I have 4 different browsers in my dock. I don't like google for a few reasons. I think that was obvious in my post. Sorry if I sounded harsh. I wanted to see what upsides chrome has. So I can compare to the 4 browsers I have.

At the moment my main browser is safari (used to be firefox) and firefox is is there for pages safari does not like and for the firefox addons. And I have camino and opera for the websites the first 2 do not like. And I've encountered quite a few websites of recent that the first 2 browsers didn't like but camino or opera worked a like a charm for.

So in this vein having a 5th browser in the dock has no downsides. The more the merrier.

I like that it updates flash automatically and internally. I like that it has its own "Task Manager" (View Background Pages) so I can kill individual extensions that might be misbehaving or tabs.
This feature sounds very nice. Killing specific extensions/addons without having to restart the browser is a nice feature.

I am aware you are talking about chrome on nexus and I am talking about chrome for Mac. But there are parallels for both. As it's the same base app.

Since I own a Nexus 7, I love that I can use Chrome's user sign-in feature to sync my bookmarks and other info between browsers. If I were to, say, buy a new laptop...simply by signing into Chrome, all of my user settings and extensions (that I didn't manually install) would automatically install. Its a bit like Firefox Sync, but much more powerful.
This I would use a lot. I don't have chrome on my iPad. I'm willing to put the Google aside (ie forget it's made by google) and try it out on the iPad. For this feature alone. I'd have to see how the bookmark folder structure is on the mobile chrome though. As my safari bookmarks are heavily foldered.

Anyway thanks a lot for the information. It's helped me a lot.

clevin
Apr 2, 2013, 02:28 PM
That download manager sounds like an amazing feature and I can't believe no one has done it before.

Oh wait...

lol, you do know that firefox developers came up with the design (http://limi.net/articles/safari-downloads/), right? they didn't implement it quickly in firefox, doesn't mean apple didn't steal their idea.

oh, wait, you probably don't care about these trivial facts.

thebluepointe
Apr 2, 2013, 02:36 PM
I am aware you are talking about chrome on nexus and I am talking about chrome for Mac. But there are parallels for both. As it's the same base app.

For the processes part, I was talking about Chrome on Mac. Chrome on Andorid is severely hindered compared to its desktop counterpart. Not sure how it fares on iOS.

The bookmark/extension syncing is a very nice feature. You can also (on Chrome's new tab page, bottom/right) see tabs open on other devices, somewhat like Safari's reading list. One feature I love in Safari is Reader. I get this same functionality in Chrome and Firefox with Evernote Clearly (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/clearly/iooicodkiihhpojmmeghjclgihfjdjhj).

Larry-K
Apr 2, 2013, 03:09 PM
Actually, Firefox 109 will be worth upgrading.
Yeah, but who wants to wait a whole month?

turtlez
Apr 2, 2013, 03:12 PM
Too funny, oh well at least they got the smart web browser thinking going. Thanks mozilla

C DM
Apr 2, 2013, 03:44 PM
lol, you do know that firefox developers came up with the design (http://limi.net/articles/safari-downloads/), right? they didn't implement it quickly in firefox, doesn't mean apple didn't steal their idea.

oh, wait, you probably don't care about these trivial facts.Unfortunately, for the vast majority (which doesn't exactly like to think much, if at all) perception is reality, and that's really all there's to it.Yeah, but who wants to wait a whole month?And people care about the version number because of...? Yeah...exactly. It's great to see software being worked on and updated on a consistent and even frequent basis, especially in today's world.

DJJAZZYJET
Apr 2, 2013, 03:59 PM
Check back in a few days, Firefox 21 will be released that'll fix a typo in the 'about firefox' section.

lixuelai
Apr 2, 2013, 04:06 PM
People don't realize Chrome has more releases because it is not as obvious. Also nowadays Chrome uses more RAM than FF. I still use Chrome though because of syncing.

Baklava
Apr 2, 2013, 04:15 PM
Yeah, but who wants to wait a whole month?
You seem right... By then, I will move to Chrome 237 I think...

mikeray
Apr 2, 2013, 04:29 PM
Until (after YEARS) they finally fix memory leaks in Firefox I don't really care what they add, using 1GB ram with one simple HTML document opened? Really? Firefox has basically become the new IE, when other browsers get proper Firebug I'll finally be able to uninstall this resource hog off my system.

This again? Trolling

ArtOfWarfare
Apr 2, 2013, 04:34 PM
lol, you do know that firefox developers came up with the design (http://limi.net/articles/safari-downloads/), right? they didn't implement it quickly in firefox, doesn't mean apple didn't steal their idea.

oh, wait, you probably don't care about these trivial facts.

No, I absolutely care. It's interesting that it took them 2 years to implement the feature.

Edit: Make that 3 years. The blog where he first described it was dated March 2010.

olowott
Apr 2, 2013, 05:21 PM
i do like the new features :cool:


gonna give it a try and


its not gonna make safari any snappier:mad:

Greg.
Apr 2, 2013, 05:30 PM
Actually, Firefox 109 will be worth upgrading.

Hilarious.

Tipsy McStagger
Apr 2, 2013, 06:11 PM
I just want a smooth pinch to zoom. That's all. Chrome and Firefox don't do that for me which is why I use safari.
You can add it easy. I didn't like that it was missing either, but then I found this: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/937684

Problem solved, and it took about 30 seconds to do, although it doesn't have the smooth zoom like safari does, but safari sucks for GIFs and I follow a "whatshouldwecall....tumblr" for kicks. So I came back to firefox.

Mr. Retrofire
Apr 2, 2013, 06:22 PM
That download manager sounds like an amazing feature and I can't believe no one has done it before.
iUse DownThemAll (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/downthemall/). No problems (Firefox v3.6.x+).

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In terms of speed, on my modern fast system with 16GB of RAM, the differences between Firefox and Chrome on my system are negligible.
Replace “Chrome” with “Safari”, and i agree. :-)

labars
Apr 2, 2013, 06:33 PM
Have never found a browser that can compete with Firefox. Good to see that it's still getting the attention that it deserves.

a0me
Apr 2, 2013, 06:46 PM
But yet, Chrome updates twice as fast as Firefox but no-one mentions that. Wonder why...

Are you sure about that? As far as I can tell, it's Firefox's 4th major release this year (Firefox 17 was released back in January) while Chrome was only updated 3 times in the same period, maybe less for people not using the Beta releases. I stopped using Firefox a while ago because of its laggy UI and its lack of iOS support, a must-have feature now that all browsers are able to sync browsing sessions/passwords across devices.

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People don't realize Chrome has more releases because it is not as obvious.
Or maybe because these days, Firefox is updated more often than Chrome.

MagnusVonMagnum
Apr 2, 2013, 07:13 PM
Still has the old school scroll bars :/

They look like Safari's scroll bars on my Mac Mini running 10.8.3 with the default theme. I don't understand what is "old school" about them. I prefer the Noia theme with a nice "Aqua" style drag bar, personally. I'm not a big fan of the iOS minimalistic look on a full size computer. What's good for space on a tiny screen isn't' necessarily what's best for a 24"+ monitor.

ardent73
Apr 2, 2013, 07:18 PM
[QUOTE=Mr. Retrofire;17088303]iUse DownThemAll (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/downthemall/). No problems (Firefox v3.6.x+).[COLOR="#808080"]

I use DtA as well as Download Statusbar @ http://www.enzysoft.com/
(Belt & Suspenders...)

C DM
Apr 2, 2013, 07:47 PM
Are you sure about that? As far as I can tell, it's Firefox's 4th major release this year (Firefox 17 was released back in January) while Chrome was only updated 3 times in the same period, maybe less for people not using the Beta releases. I stopped using Firefox a while ago because of its laggy UI and its lack of iOS support, a must-have feature now that all browsers are able to sync browsing sessions/passwords across devices.

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Or maybe because these days, Firefox is updated more often than Chrome.Both Chrome and Firefox are (and have been for at least some time) on what is essentially a 6-week release schedule.

locoboi187
Apr 2, 2013, 08:09 PM
You can add it easy. I didn't like that it was missing either, but then I found this: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/937684

Problem solved, and it took about 30 seconds to do, although it doesn't have the smooth zoom like safari does, but safari sucks for GIFs and I follow a "whatshouldwecall....tumblr" for kicks. So I came back to firefox.

Ive done that before but mainly i was looking for smooth

york2600
Apr 2, 2013, 08:21 PM
Are there any other non-profit software programs that have been this successful (in terms of numbers of users) for this long? I'm sure there are more people running FF than every Linux distro (not specifically maintained by a for-profit corp) combined, e.g....

There's plenty of massive open source projects that have enormous install bases. Linux would be pretty high up one in that list. There are far more Linux servers than desktops so don't get hung up on how many people have Linux installed on their personal computer. There's millions of servers out there running Linux.

Kar98
Apr 2, 2013, 09:44 PM
Until (after YEARS) they finally fix memory leaks in Firefox I don't really care what they add, using 1GB ram with one simple HTML document opened? Really?

No. Not really.

http://i.imgur.com/1E3wddv.jpg

Twelve tabs, and running all day.

MagnusVonMagnum
Apr 2, 2013, 09:49 PM
Firefox still uses like 50% of one CPU (plus the 18%+ for the Java Applet itself) on Pogo.com for Scrabble. Safari uses 1% by comparison plus the Java Applet. Firefox doesn't fix squat and given the hoops they make you jump through to report something simple like that (they want error reports and code dumps, etc. etc. instead of just loading the page themselves since it's 100% reproducible at will), they probably never will. To me, that's one SLOOOOOOOOOW resource hogging browser with Java.

TheMTtakeover
Apr 2, 2013, 10:05 PM
No. Not really.

Image (http://i.imgur.com/1E3wddv.jpg)

Twelve tabs, and running all day.

Another SkyDrive user!!! *raises hand for high-five*

Kar98
Apr 2, 2013, 10:24 PM
Another SkyDrive user!!! *raises hand for high-five*

Hey, 25 GB of free and so far uncensored storage, and it's syncing between my home Mac, the Work windows laptop and my iPad? Yes, one please :D

a0me
Apr 2, 2013, 10:28 PM
Both Chrome and Firefox are (and have been for at least some time) on what is essentially a 6-week release schedule.
You're probably right but I was only refuting the claim that "Chrome updates twice as fast as Firefox." To be honest, I've stopped caring about the version number of both browsers since most changes between versions are so minor that most people -me included- won't notice them.

Mozilla and Phoenix/Firefox used to be my go-to browsers until a few years ago, but until the guys are Firefox start working on making their UI more responsive and release an iOS version, I'll keep using Chrome as my main browser.

TheMTtakeover
Apr 2, 2013, 10:39 PM
Hey, 25 GB of free and so far uncensored storage, and it's syncing between my home Mac, the Work windows laptop and my iPad? Yes, one please :D

Ah! You're lucky! I was too late to get the 25GB for free. I have 47 GB though. 7 for free; 20 paid; 20 from Office 365.

I'm not a big Microsoft fan but I have to say that Skydrive works VERY well.

DisMyMac
Apr 2, 2013, 10:56 PM
I wish they'd focus on CSS features. IE7 has had writing-mode for years.

Want to browse websites in Uighurjin Mongol script? Don't bother with Firefox....

ConCat
Apr 2, 2013, 11:19 PM
I can't stand chrome. For many many reasons. But why do you like it? What makes it good for you? I'm willing to give chrome another try to see if it's with using again. But not on my Mac of cause. I'll use another as a test to see if it's any good.

So I'm asking pretty much for your reasons as to why I should test out chrome again.

Chrome is the most inefficient browser on the market. Each tab launches its own process and its own copy of WebKit. I understand that this leads to unparalleled stability, but at the cost of a tremendous amount of resources compared to its competition. It's a trade off, that's for sure.

tekboi
Apr 2, 2013, 11:29 PM
Is it 64 bit yet?



Firefox is slow compared to other browsers like Chrome & Safari.

somethingelsefl
Apr 2, 2013, 11:53 PM
Until (after YEARS) they finally fix memory leaks in Firefox I don't really care what they add, using 1GB ram with one simple HTML document opened? Really? Firefox has basically become the new IE, when other browsers get proper Firebug I'll finally be able to uninstall this resource hog off my system.

I have this problem, too. With each release it seems to get worse. Have you found any sort of fix? (Other than switching browsers, which I'm considering)

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I swear to god the download manager icon at the top right is so familiar to me. Sorry Firefox, I'm done with copycats. Trashed already.

Come on people, be original.

Next...

You uninstalled one of the more diverse and customizable browsers on the market...because it's download icon is a "copycat" (that's simply a downward facing arrow)? :confused:

OLDCODGER
Apr 3, 2013, 12:20 AM
I really do wish they would fix the refresh problem with showing top of page instead of current position.

On a long page (comments), it is a real pain getting back to the last read post.

RoastingPig
Apr 3, 2013, 12:42 AM
my firefox isn't playing friendly with flash

InfoTime
Apr 3, 2013, 01:10 AM
The other feature I use in Chrome is their Remote Desktop (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahfdphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp) plugin. I use it to remote into my parent's computer. I find it much more secure than most free VNC or RDC solutions and it is very simple from my parent's perspective.Wow, that's amazing!

I'm no stranger to remote control software starting with PC Anywhere back in the day. I have over 75 computers on my main Logmein Free account (which is about to be reduced to 10 due to clampdown by Logmein). Have several more accounts belonging to specific clients that I use for access. Have used other services here and there like GoToMyPC and others. Also have liked ShowMyPC.com. Currently demoing a nice setup called ScreenConnect.

But, Chrome Remote Desktop is very cool. The only hurdle for me would be seeing that the client had Google Chrome installed and then adding Remote Desktop to it. I suspect many of my clients won't have an account for Chrome. But once that's done it looks like initiating a session is dead simple. The code it generates looks a lot like ShowMyPC which uses VNC code I believe.

Anyway, thanks for posting!

maxosx
Apr 3, 2013, 01:18 AM
I've tried hard to like the popular browsers like Safari & Firefox. But the fact is I've had a great time with fast & efficient Chrome. Ad to that the fact that I get so much use out of Chrome extensions no one else has, it's the only one that saves significant time while meeting all my needs.

InfoTime
Apr 3, 2013, 01:39 AM
One thing I like about Safari that I don't have in Firefox - Reader. There's probably an add-on for Firefox and Chrome that does the same thing. Anyone recommend one?

thebluepointe
Apr 3, 2013, 01:57 AM
Anyway, thanks for posting!

No problem


One thing I like about Safari that I don't have in Firefox - Reader. There's probably an add-on for Firefox and Chrome that does the same thing. Anyone recommend one?

As I mentioned in an earlier post: Evernote Clearly (http://evernote.com/clearly/). You don't need an Evernote account to use it unless you want to use the webclip feature.

MrNomNoms
Apr 3, 2013, 04:31 AM
Unfortunately, the bug is pretty old now because it seems to be complicated. :/

The bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636564

Edit: But I see now that they've recently started getting actual code in now. Yay! But since it's all early stuff for the nightlies, I guess it'll be until Firefox 23 or something for the general public to see.

Well in fairness it is only horribly complex because Mozilla developers insist on re-inventing the wheel rather than using the API's provided by the system itself.

clevin
Apr 3, 2013, 05:01 AM
No, I absolutely care. It's interesting that it took them 2 years to implement the feature.

Edit: Make that 3 years. The blog where he first described it was dated March 2010.
so? you patent ideas, right?

you say you care, but you have a funny way of showing it. You can take advantages of OSS project because they develop everything in the open, least you can do, is be grateful when credit is due.
Well in fairness it is only horribly complex because Mozilla developers insist on re-inventing the wheel rather than using the API's provided by the system itself.

Obviously they do that for a very good reason, they use XUL, which provide vast flexibility in construct their UI, why would they destroy the whole thing just for a pretty scroll bar? Who would destroy a car just because some scratches?

Fairness? lol, is RDF so vast now, people even lost understanding of what "fairness" means?

ksgant
Apr 3, 2013, 06:20 AM
That download manager sounds like an amazing feature and I can't believe no one has done it before.

Oh wait...

I've never ever understood this attitude. Okay, other browsers have download managers. So? Does this mean because it's been done with another browser that Firefox should never ever implement it....ever?

It's like the idiotic arguments I heard when iOS got notifications. "Android has had that for a long time". So what. It's a good feature and I'm glad they put that in.

MLinneer
Apr 3, 2013, 08:07 AM
Testing on Macbook Air, 4Gb RAM, 10.8.3, non-retina, has Firefox 20 averaging 450-500Mb memory after an hour or so. More than Safari 6.0.3 (320-400Mb) or Chrome 26 (375-420Mb) according to Activity Monitor and combining processes. This is after browsing 25 or 30 random pages like Facebook, Yahoo, Skydrive, CNN, ZDNet, YouTube, MacRumors forums, ect. and only using Flash plugin.

One thing I noticed is on PoGo games and the NASA 'Eyes On The Solar System' app using the Java plugin, CPU usage jumps to about 65% and holds. Safari and Web Content run about 10% combined with those apps. Also, Safari will close the Java plugin after I leave the page... FireFox leaves it active even after browsing several pages, which allows you to go back without reloading the app. Chrome doesn't do Java so can't test.

Something I've always disliked about Firefox is it's non-system print dialog. No print preview so I can't see what or even how many pages it's sending to the printer.

GenesisST
Apr 3, 2013, 10:42 AM
To every Chrome user here making fun of Firefox's rapid release cycle, there are no words....

I'm a Chrome user, but I do not make fun of that.

Version numbers are kinda arbitrary anyways... Some apps stay 0.9 forever while others go up to a billion very fast...

As long as the developers have their meaning for versioning, why should I care?

thebluepointe
Apr 3, 2013, 12:18 PM
Something I've always disliked about Firefox is it's non-system print dialog. No print preview so I can't see what or even how many pages it's sending to the printer.

I love Chrome's print dialogue, plus the ability to print to google docs. I agree, Firefox is lagging way behind in this respect.

Glassed Silver
Apr 3, 2013, 12:29 PM
I'm holding out for Firefox 42. Probably only a few weeks away, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

Don't miss that narrow time window...

Glassed Silver:mac

lizurd
Apr 3, 2013, 01:20 PM
I really do wish they would fix the refresh problem with showing top of page instead of current position.

On a long page (comments), it is a real pain getting back to the last read post.

A simple reload (reload button on nav bar or CTRL-R) should leave you exactly where you were. However, a "hard reload" (SHIFT-reload button on nav bar or CTRL-SHIFT-R) will put you back at the top of the page. The "hard reload" overrides the local cache. It does seem like the hard reload should at least save your position though ...

I've tried it on two different OS's and it works as advertised.

OLDCODGER
Apr 3, 2013, 01:34 PM
A simple reload (reload button on nav bar or CTRL-R) should leave you exactly where you were. However, a "hard reload" (SHIFT-reload button on nav bar or CTRL-SHIFT-R) will put you back at the top of the page. The "hard reload" overrides the local cache. It does seem like the hard reload should at least save your position though ...

I've tried it on two different OS's and it works as advertised.

Thank you for the reply. I only ever use the reload button on the nav bar, and it works fine until the page gets to a certain length, then will start returning me to top of page - or anywhere else except previous position.

I am using 10.6.8, and Firefox is loaded with NoScript, AddBlock+, and DoNotTrackMe, if that's any help.

lixuelai
Apr 3, 2013, 01:41 PM
Are you sure about that? As far as I can tell, it's Firefox's 4th major release this year (Firefox 17 was released back in January) while Chrome was only updated 3 times in the same period, maybe less for people not using the Beta releases. I stopped using Firefox a while ago because of its laggy UI and its lack of iOS support, a must-have feature now that all browsers are able to sync browsing sessions/passwords across devices.

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Or maybe because these days, Firefox is updated more often than Chrome.

FF 17 was released late last year.

bigpics
Apr 3, 2013, 04:00 PM
There's plenty of massive open source projects that have enormous install bases. Linux would be pretty high up one in that list. There are far more Linux servers than desktops so don't get hung up on how many people have Linux installed on their personal computer. There's millions of servers out there running Linux.

I'm aware of all those Linux servers chugging away out of my sight, and I've read some ATM's are also running Linux (For a long time they were mostly running IBM OS/2 - and some still are, while many run customized version of Win XP Pro).

However I was specifically referring to consumer-installed (including pre-installed Linux), where I believe FFox would far outrank Linux in terms of number of "elective" users. Mozilla claims 450 million users and between 20-24% of browser use world-wide. Desktop Linux is estimated at between 1-4.8% of the PC market by various metrics according to WikiP.

And I specifically excluded Android as the parts consumers mostly see are Googleware - and all the skins, overlays and forks piled on by OEM's.

It is true, however, that Mozilla depends on corporate sponsorship. As detailed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Affiliations with the bulk coming from keeping Google as their default search engine.

Lancer
Apr 3, 2013, 10:51 PM
I'm holding out for Firefox 42. Probably only a few weeks away, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

Well give the math of 6 weeks between version numbers v42 will be out in about 2.5 years.

adder7712
Apr 4, 2013, 03:29 AM
Hey, 25 GB of free and so far uncensored storage, and it's syncing between my home Mac, the Work windows laptop and my iPad? Yes, one please :D

How do you get 25GB for free? :confused:

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I've never ever understood this attitude. Okay, other browsers have download managers. So? Does this mean because it's been done with another browser that Firefox should never ever implement it....ever?

It's like the idiotic arguments I heard when iOS got notifications. "Android has had that for a long time". So what. It's a good feature and I'm glad they put that in.

That attitude is quite rampant on many tech sites.

Michael Goff
Apr 4, 2013, 09:32 AM
How do you get 25GB for free? :confused:.

If you had a hotmail account before a certain date, I forget exactly, you got 25GB free.

Forever.

Nunyabinez
Apr 8, 2013, 09:43 AM
If you had a hotmail account before a certain date, I forget exactly, you got 25GB free.

Forever.

I think there may have been several paths to this. I don't have a Hotmail account, but I was an early user of Windows Live Mesh. When they rolled it into Skydrive I got my 25GB.

Michael Goff
Apr 8, 2013, 10:03 AM
I think there may have been several paths to this. I don't have a Hotmail account, but I was an early user of Windows Live Mesh. When they rolled it into Skydrive I got my 25GB.

Ah, s it was pretty much having a Microsoft account in general?

InfoTime
Apr 8, 2013, 01:18 PM
As I mentioned in an earlier post: Evernote Clearly (http://evernote.com/clearly/). You don't need an Evernote account to use it unless you want to use the webclip feature.Cool! Thanks again.

goosnarrggh
Apr 9, 2013, 06:32 AM
Is it 64 bit yet?

At approximately the same time they stopped packing Universal PPC/Intel binaries, they started packaging fat binaries consisting of both 32-bit and 64-bit native Intel builds.

InfoTime
Apr 13, 2013, 01:42 AM
Any chance the new Firefox 20 is causing kernel panics?

A client of mine has a pretty clean iMac Core 2 Duo with 10.6.8 that started kernel panic-ing about two days ago. They can't think of anything they changed. Hardware extended test is clean.

class77
Apr 13, 2013, 02:20 AM
Firefox has a big ole bug in it. When you shut it down completely and try to open it the next day, it tries to reopen the old session. I've used Firefox as my browser for years and I've never experienced this. It's annoying as hell and I can't figure out how to make it stop:mad:

C DM
Apr 19, 2013, 05:49 PM
Firefox has a big ole bug in it. When you shut it down completely and try to open it the next day, it tries to reopen the old session. I've used Firefox as my browser for years and I've never experienced this. It's annoying as hell and I can't figure out how to make it stop:mad:Doesn't happen on the machines that I've tried it on. Seems like a setting that got set somewhere and was saved. Check the settings for Firefox and see what it's set for as far as startup in the general section.

class77
Apr 19, 2013, 06:03 PM
I have used Firefox as my default browser since 2009 and always updated each time a new version was available. This open tab problem just started with version 20 and has never happened before. I've not changed a single configuration in the startup menu. It's still to open to my Comcast start page

C DM
Apr 19, 2013, 06:58 PM
I have used Firefox as my default browser since 2009 and always updated each time a new version was available. This open tab problem just started with version 20 and has never happened before. I've not changed a single configuration in the startup menu. It's still to open to my Comcast start pageSee if trying something from http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/754840 might help.

class77
Apr 19, 2013, 09:47 PM
Thanks, but these responses are 2 years old and I prefer not to monkey with settings that have proven not to be a problem until the current version of Firefox. Hopefully Version 21 will rid me of this bug.

C DM
Apr 20, 2013, 05:33 PM
Thanks, but these responses are 2 years old and I prefer not to monkey with settings that have proven not to be a problem until the current version of Firefox. Hopefully Version 21 will rid me of this bug.The same settings still exist so nothing related to it needed to be updated in the last couple of years. It's just a change of one particular setting mainly. Nothing major at all (and it can be changed back easily). Certainly better than having that "bug".

MagnusVonMagnum
Apr 21, 2013, 02:54 PM
This is a known issue with Firefox 20. It ONLY occurs when you close ALL windows first and THEN quit Firefox. When you restart, it will give the "Oops" message about restoring a session. If you quit Firefox with even one window open, it will not happen when you start Firefox. This ONLY happens with OSX since Windows quits when you click the close window button whereas in OSX Firefox keeps running in the background (and you can quit from the dock afterwards). Many of us close all the windows and only quit Firefox once in awhile (often from the dock) so that's why some people notice it and others INSIST it doesn't exist (because they quit from the menu). From what I've read, they already have a fix for it and it should appear with the next release.

C DM
Apr 23, 2013, 01:38 PM
This is a known issue with Firefox 20. It ONLY occurs when you close ALL windows first and THEN quit Firefox. When you restart, it will give the "Oops" message about restoring a session. If you quit Firefox with even one window open, it will not happen when you start Firefox. This ONLY happens with OSX since Windows quits when you click the close window button whereas in OSX Firefox keeps running in the background (and you can quit from the dock afterwards). Many of us close all the windows and only quit Firefox once in awhile (often from the dock) so that's why some people notice it and others INSIST it doesn't exist (because they quit from the menu). From what I've read, they already have a fix for it and it should appear with the next release.Interesting. I've been able to reproduce this finally--the trick is the multiple windows part and closing them all before quitting. I guess for me (and probably many others) this kind of behavior is fairly unusual since I mostly stick to one window with multiple tabs in it, and (whether or not I might have a single or actually multiple windows) if I'm quitting I just quit without closing all the windows prior to that.

That said, even with this issue, all I get is one tab with the error message and an option to restore the old tabs or simply to close that session restore tab--I don't automatically get all my previous tabs/windows reloaded on their own right away. Certainly not the expected behavior and essentially a bug, but it's far from being severe or really annoying I'd say.

MagnusVonMagnum
Apr 23, 2013, 01:58 PM
Certainly not the expected behavior and essentially a bug, but it's far from being severe or really annoying I'd say.

Sometimes it restores here and sometimes it gives the error. Either way, it's not a major bug. It's an annoying bug (for some of us). My mother has a Macbook Pro but isn't a big computer user. It was driving her crazy. Obviously, people who use Windows a lot and are used to the close window button also closing the program are going to tend to do that more often than people who have mostly used Macs. I simply like Firefox to come up faster (i.e. no delay if you just close the windows and leave it running, but it can start to eat memory over many days so I do quit once in awhile and that's when I notice it).