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jimbo1mcm
Apr 7, 2013, 10:45 AM
Verizon customer, and I jumped from the IP4 to the Galaxy S3, enjoyed it, but came back to the Ip5. I didn't have to switch carriers.( Verizon will probably get it by June). I definitely would not switch carriers, but I am very tempted to get the HTC One if Verizon gets it.



ucfgrad93
Apr 7, 2013, 10:48 AM
The HTC One looks very nice. Can't wait to see one in person. I might consider switching.

ET iPhone Home
Apr 7, 2013, 11:19 AM
Verizon customer, and I jumped from the IP4 to the Galaxy S3, enjoyed it, but came back to the Ip5. I didn't have to switch carriers.( Verizon will probably get it by June). I definitely would not switch carriers, but I am very tempted to get the HTC One if Verizon gets it.

I saw those links to the HTC One and it's a really nice looking phone. The looks alone sold me. I'd have to play around it with it to see if I like the interface. I'm definitely willing to consider it based on the specs and looks alone.

woodekm
Apr 7, 2013, 11:50 AM
Not giving up iP5 - never went that direction. The HTC looks and has the size, body and screen that the iPhone 5, 5S (or even 6) should be. Quality is defiantly there.

Looking forward to the HTC one on release day!

Mrbobb
Apr 7, 2013, 12:55 PM
I suppose if am poor and the competition is $HALF of an iPhone, I may, but leaving the Apple ecosystem with all available Apps, devices integration, and the large user (support) base... is like buying an electric car when the nearest charging station is 15 miles away. Just because is cute and new doesn't cut it.

MacRumorUser
Apr 7, 2013, 01:50 PM
Already have :-)

nfl46
Apr 7, 2013, 02:25 PM
No.

Keeping my iPhone 5 for the iOS 7 since the 5S is probably a spec bump.

Smithwicks
Apr 7, 2013, 02:40 PM
If Verizon had it I would. Not willing to give up unlimited data and switch carriers to get it though.

EstaVidaLoca
Apr 7, 2013, 04:44 PM
I wanted to give Android another shot with this phone until....

1. HTC gave AT&T exclusive carrier rights to the 64GB model and left important T-mobile frequencies off of the developer edition.

2. Even after delays the phone is still releasing with Android 4.1 :mad:

3. You can't disable Blink Feed unless you change launchers.

It's looking more and more like I'll be sticking with my 4s.

daneoni
Apr 7, 2013, 04:58 PM
Not really, the One is nice and all but i still prefer iPhone 5 and iOS for now.

onthecouchagain
Apr 7, 2013, 06:04 PM
I pre-ordered the 64GB Developer's Edition and will soon return my iPhone 5. So yes.

To me, though, it's more about giving up iOS. And lordy, I can't wait.

scott craft
Apr 7, 2013, 06:57 PM
I want to see the One in person, but it looks like a really good phone. If the camera is as good as the Anandtech review says it is I'll be very tempted.

0dev
Apr 7, 2013, 07:05 PM
I used the HTC One today. The hardware looks impressive for sure, but the software is disappointing and I was told by the guy in the shop that a bunch of them were recalled because they were full of faults, which is doesn't exactly fill me with confidence, especially after my Sensation broke recently.

Personally I wouldn't buy anything else from HTC, I'd actually rather buy a BB10 device than another HTC POS. Samsung overtook them for a reason.

Bottom line is that HTC = very nice design but very poor quality.

onthecouchagain
Apr 7, 2013, 07:09 PM
I used the HTC One today. The hardware looks impressive for sure, but the software is disappointing

I gotta say a lot of Sense makes no sense to me. See what I did there?!

I'll give it a quick brief run when I get the device, but will likely put Nova/Apex on it very fast.

This video of Sense drives me nuts:

k8ZeC5yuOKI



I don't get why HTC does some of the things they do. Why would you make it harder to do things on your OS. Sometimes, they take too much of a page out of Apple.

0dev
Apr 7, 2013, 07:18 PM
I gotta say a lot of Sense makes no sense to me. See what I did there?!

I'll give it a quick brief run when I get the device, but will likely put Nova/Apex on it very fast.

This video of Sense drives me nuts:

YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=k8ZeC5yuOKI)



I don't get why HTC does some of the things they do. Why would you make it harder to do things on your OS. Sometimes, they take too much of a page out of Apple.

I actually never minded old Sense too much. It was a bit heavy on resources but it was a nice UI.

The new Sense on the HTC One is just awful though, it's like a poor copy of the Sony UI, and when you open the app draw they the grid is 3x3... so literally each row has three apps... why? :confused:

It's just very unintuitive software, and I really can't understate how unreliable HTC's devices are either. I have a friend who has a One X+ and she just complains about how it keeps freezing up all the time. My Sensation bit the dust after a few months of use. Even salesmen tell me of recalls and high return rates for HTC devices.

If I were to look outside of Samsung I'd seriously look at BB10 in all honesty. The Z10 could do with a bigger screen and more apps but it's promising. The Q10 is finally going to deliver a decent physical QWERTY smartphone too. In fact if it had more apps I'd consider actually getting one over a Samsung, but alas, not yet.

onthecouchagain
Apr 7, 2013, 07:21 PM
I actually never minded old Sense too much. It was a bit heavy on resources but it was a nice UI.

The new Sense on the HTC One is just awful though, it's like a poor copy of the Sony UI, and when you open the app draw they the grid is 3x3... so literally each row has three apps... why? :confused:

It's just very unintuitive software, and I really can't understate how unreliable HTC's devices are either. I have a friend who has a One X+ and she just complains about how it keeps freezing up all the time. My Sensation bit the dust after a few months of use. Even salesmen tell me of recalls and high return rates for HTC devices.

If I were to look outside of Samsung I'd seriously look at BB10 in all honesty. The Z10 could do with a bigger screen and more apps but it's promising. The Q10 is finally going to deliver a decent physical QWERTY smartphone too. In fact if it had more apps I'd consider actually getting one over a Samsung, but alas, not yet.

This is deeply concerning considering the HTC One is nearly impossible to repair by one's self.

scott craft
Apr 7, 2013, 07:22 PM
I actually never minded old Sense too much. It was a bit heavy on resources but it was a nice UI.

The new Sense on the HTC One is just awful though, it's like a poor copy of the Sony UI, and when you open the app draw they the grid is 3x3... so literally each row has three apps... why? :confused:

It's just very unintuitive software, and I really can't understate how unreliable HTC's devices are either. I have a friend who has a One X+ and she just complains about how it keeps freezing up all the time. My Sensation bit the dust after a few months of use. Even salesmen tell me of recalls and high return rates for HTC devices.

If I were to look outside of Samsung I'd seriously look at BB10 in all honesty. The Z10 could do with a bigger screen and more apps but it's promising. The Q10 is finally going to deliver a decent physical QWERTY smartphone too. In fact if it had more apps I'd consider actually getting one over a Samsung, but alas, not yet.

That's disappointing to hear the One is buggy. I'm also interested in BB10. I played with a Z10 the other day and it seemed pretty neat in the ten minutes I was using it.

0dev
Apr 7, 2013, 07:28 PM
This is deeply concerning considering the HTC One is nearly impossible to repair by one's self.

Yep, all closed up as per the fashion these days by the looks of it, even Nexi are at it.

Yours is brand new and straight from HTC though so as long as their customer service has at least improved since this was written (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/10/htc_phones.html) you can always rely on the warranty.

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That's disappointing to hear the One is buggy. I'm also interested in BB10. I played with a Z10 the other day and it seemed pretty neat in the ten minutes I was using it.

Yeah the Z10 is nice indeed. I'm really looking forward to the Q10 too, I've wanted a decent QWERTY smartphone for ages, all the attempts from Android manufacturers have been terrible and BlackBerry's old OS was even worse, so this device looks promising.

These reviews give me confidence in BB10 as an OS and BlackBerry's better efforts at well made hardware too:

zac-MA__bOw

e7elpNeTUrM

It has potential and I hope developers actually make apps for it, that's really the only thing holding me back.

onthecouchagain
Apr 7, 2013, 07:35 PM
The one thing Blackberry got right was gesture to go home. Jailbroken iPhones have an app called Zephyr that I think is absolutely brilliant and works lovely.

We're at a point where we essentially do not need physical home buttons. I hope Apple and Samsung (such a shame Samsung went back to physical buttons. Their US versions of the Galaxy S2 were all capacitive) wise up to that.

Gestures is and should be the future.

0dev
Apr 7, 2013, 07:39 PM
The one thing Blackberry got right was gesture to go home. Jailbroken iPhones have an app called Zephyr that I think is absolutely brilliant and works lovely.

We're at a point where we essentially do not need physical home buttons. I hope Apple and Samsung (such a shame Samsung went back to physical buttons. Their US versions of the Galaxy S2 were all capacitive) wise up to that.

Gestures is and should be the future.

Absolutely, that's why I hoped webOS would catch on. Gestures are awesome. BB10 has been really innovative with them too, especially the "peep" feature so you can see all your notifications easily and the swipe up to go home. They've avoided making them too complicated for users too - you only really need to learn the basic ones and they're quite easy to get used to.

Just... if only it had more apps. Or even just better Android emulation. I'd be all over it.

onthecouchagain
Apr 7, 2013, 07:53 PM
Just... if only it had more apps.

Yup. Deal breaker.

I plan to use Slide Pad (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.conduction.swipepad.android&hl=en) when I'm using my One.

I've seen and used it on a friend's S3 and it's extremely reliable. Not as sharp looking as Zephyr but still gets the job done and actually has even more functionality cause you can swipe up to go to a lot of different places/apps. You can even swipe it from the left or right.

This, along with Power Toggles, is how I plan to combat HTC's stupid reconfiguration of the home button and stupidly far power/sleep button. The only time I'll have to reach up to it is to wake the device.

:D

scott craft
Apr 8, 2013, 06:49 AM
Yep, all closed up as per the fashion these days by the looks of it, even Nexi are at it.

Yours is brand new and straight from HTC though so as long as their customer service has at least improved since this was written (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/10/htc_phones.html) you can always rely on the warranty.

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Yeah the Z10 is nice indeed. I'm really looking forward to the Q10 too, I've wanted a decent QWERTY smartphone for ages, all the attempts from Android manufacturers have been terrible and BlackBerry's old OS was even worse, so this device looks promising.

These reviews give me confidence in BB10 as an OS and BlackBerry's better efforts at well made hardware too:

YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zac-MA__bOw)

YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=e7elpNeTUrM)

It has potential and I hope developers actually make apps for it, that's really the only thing holding me back.

Those videos are pretty good. I'm going to keep an eye on BlackBerry and see how the app situation goes. I've been on Windows Phone almost two years and I'm not sure I want to endure another fledgling platform.

chagla
Apr 8, 2013, 07:35 AM
I wanted to give Android another shot with this phone until....

1. HTC gave AT&T exclusive carrier rights to the 64GB model and left important T-mobile frequencies off of the developer edition.

2. Even after delays the phone is still releasing with Android 4.1 :mad:

3. You can't disable Blink Feed unless you change launchers.

It's looking more and more like I'll be sticking with my 4s.

1. it looks like you prefer expandable storage yet you are using iphone 4s with non-expandable storage. tmobile htc one offers 32gb. not enough?

2. 4.1 is fairly recent. at this point in time, i dont think htc had enough time to test out 4.2. but i'm willing to bet it will get 4.2 and the upcoming lime pie.

3. wow!!! really? changing a launcher literally takes less than a minute. just choose what you like from the market if you don't like the default one.

MacRumorUser
Apr 8, 2013, 09:00 AM
I gotta say a lot of Sense makes no sense to me. See what I did there?!

I'll give it a quick brief run when I get the device, but will likely put Nova/Apex on it very fast.

This video of Sense drives me nuts:



I thought you were keeping an open mind. You sound to me like you have made your mind up about sense already, which is far from keeping an open mind ;)

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I actually never minded old Sense too much. It was a bit heavy on resources but it was a nice UI.

The new Sense on the HTC One is just awful though, it's like a poor copy of the Sony UI, and when you open the app draw they the grid is 3x3... so literally each row has three apps... why? :confused:

It's just very unintuitive software, and I really can't understate how unreliable HTC's devices are either. I have a friend who has a One X+ and she just complains about how it keeps freezing up all the time. My Sensation bit the dust after a few months of use. Even salesmen tell me of recalls and high return rates for HTC devices.

If I were to look outside of Samsung I'd seriously look at BB10 in all honesty. The Z10 could do with a bigger screen and more apps but it's promising. The Q10 is finally going to deliver a decent physical QWERTY smartphone too. In fact if it had more apps I'd consider actually getting one over a Samsung, but alas, not yet.

How is the new sense awful?

Have you actually used it or just basing this opinion on video footage, because I like many who actually have the device (including most reviewers) find it very good. It very much sounds like a case of "I don't like the look of that - so it must be awful" mentality...

Sense 5 is very slimmed down and the changes HTC have made to calendar / music / messages / phone and such are actually much improved over stock android experience, and even the keyboard is excellent on sense 5 - and yes as good as swift key.

Sense 5 is the lightest / clearly most optimised version of sense, it's always smooth and fluid, there is no trace of lag and no unnecessary animations between app drawer, launching apps etc.. Memory management is a thing of the past, and multitasking works beautifully on the device.

sentinelsx
Apr 8, 2013, 09:11 AM
Nope.

Waiting for something else coming out shortly :)

0dev
Apr 8, 2013, 09:48 AM
Those videos are pretty good. I'm going to keep an eye on BlackBerry and see how the app situation goes. I've been on Windows Phone almost two years and I'm not sure I want to endure another fledgling platform.

Same here, I'm waiting for either more apps to be developed or the Android emulation to get better.

How is the new sense awful?

Have you actually used it or just basing this opinion on video footage, because I like many who actually have the device (including most reviewers) find it very good. It very much sounds like a case of "I don't like the look of that - so it must be awful" mentality...

Sense 5 is very slimmed down and the changes HTC have made to calendar / music / messages / phone and such are actually much improved over stock android experience, and even the keyboard is excellent on sense 5 - and yes as good as swift key.

Sense 5 is the lightest / clearly most optimised version of sense, it's always smooth and fluid, there is no trace of lag and no unnecessary animations between app drawer, launching apps etc.. Memory management is a thing of the past, and multitasking works beautifully on the device.

As I said a few posts above, I have indeed used the HTC One, it's in all the shops in the UK already. I found it to be crap. The software is just a half-assed clone of Sony's social flow or whatever they called it. And why oh why are the icons spaced out so there's only three in each row? It makes no sense.

It's smooth and there wasn't any lag, so it has that going for it, but would I actually buy one of these things? Hell to the no. Of course you'll be able to install ROMs on it but if I'm going to do that there's better handsets for the job.

There is a very good reason HTC is failing. It's not due to lack of marketing - they have commercials running all the time over here - but because the phones they make are just crap compared to the competition.

MacRumorUser
Apr 8, 2013, 10:04 AM
Same here, I'm waiting for either more apps to be developed or the Android emulation to get better.



As I said a few posts above, I have indeed used the HTC One, it's in all the shops in the UK already. I found it to be crap. The software is just a half-assed clone of Sony's social flow or whatever they called it. And why oh why are the icons spaced out so there's only three in each row? It makes no sense.
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5 minutes in a shop and your an expert.... I see.

If you'd actually had used it properly you would know that you can change grid spacing to 4x5.

0dev
Apr 8, 2013, 10:07 AM
5 minutes in a shop and your an expert.... I see.

If you'd actually had used it properly you would know that you can change grid spacing to 4x5.

What do you expect me to do, buy one so I can use it for a few weeks?

Most perspective customers will base their purchase decision on exactly what I did and very few of them will choose to buy this thing.

MacRumorUser
Apr 8, 2013, 10:08 AM
What do you expect me to do, buy one so I can use it for a few weeks?

Most perspective customers will base their purchase decision on exactly what I did and very few of them will choose to buy this thing.

Few weeks. The setting is there in front of your face. It took me less than 20 seconds to change! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


The point being your post saying it's crap is hardly an educated opinion of someone who who has actually used the device properly, or for any length of time to appreciate its nuances and where optimisations have really gone into play.

I used a dummy S4 in the phone shop the other day. I could post "It sucks! The interface is totally unresponsive!!!" That's almost the same level of your educated opinion of a device.

joshwithachance
Apr 8, 2013, 10:14 AM
I was, but HTC doesn't support their products after launch like Apple does. And iOS still does quite a few things better in my opinion. The One is mighty nice though.

cynics
Apr 8, 2013, 10:17 AM
What do you expect me to do, buy one so I can use it for a few weeks?

Most perspective customers will base their purchase decision on exactly what I did and very few of them will choose to buy this thing.

It took me well over a month to appreciate iOS. If I would have just used it in a shop for a few minutes even hours I would have thought it was total crap.

Now its my preferred mobile OS.

Point being it would have been pretty closed minded for me to only give it a few minutes the condemn it. Even an OS as simplified as iOS has a learning curve that no one could pick up for the first time and master it in minutes.

I could see if you picked it up and said it was too big or didn't like the design, obvious things. But it seems like you assumed that it was iOS (incapable of modifying the simplest of things) and thought it was bad.

Let me ask you. Do you think the iPad makes sense? There's A LOT more wasted space on that screen and impossible to modify (albeit without JB).

0dev
Apr 8, 2013, 10:19 AM
Few weeks. The setting is there in front of your face. It took me less than 20 seconds to change! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


The point being your post saying it's crap is hardly an educated opinion of someone who who has actually used the device properly.

I used a dummy S4 in the phone shop. I could post " It sucks! The interface is totally unresponsive!!! " That's almost the level of your educated opinion.

You are missing my point entirely. I am not claiming to be an expert, nor am I commenting on the placement of settings.

Say I'm in the market for a new phone, I've been offered an upgrade on my contract and I walk into the shop to look at what's on offer. I've been told the two best new phones out are the Samsung Galaxy S4 and the HTC One, so I use both of them.

Now as a potential buyer for these phones, am I going to spend hours going through every menu or am I going to use it for a few minutes and base my purchase decision on whatever my impression is?

Think about it, most people don't use these things for ages and do a bunch of research, they choose the one they like the best in store. And what I'm saying is that the interface for the HTC One is terrible and it will be unappealing to most customers. Where am I getting this information from? HTC's own profit figures, which have been in sharp decline over the past year and that's a trend that's only continuing. Compared to early 2012, their profit is down over 90%. Last quarter, BlackBerry actually made more profit than HTC despite the fact most of the phones they're selling are still BB7 devices! There are literally more customers for BlackBerry Bolds than there are for anything HTC is putting out right now.

So yes, in my "uneducated" opinion, I think this phone is doomed to failure.

jrswizzle
Apr 8, 2013, 10:36 AM
You are missing my point entirely. I am not claiming to be an expert, nor am I commenting on the placement of settings.

Say I'm in the market for a new phone, I've been offered an upgrade on my contract and I walk into the shop to look at what's on offer. I've been told the two best new phones out are the Samsung Galaxy S4 and the HTC One, so I use both of them.

Now as a potential buyer for these phones, am I going to spend hours going through every menu or am I going to use it for a few minutes and base my purchase decision on whatever my impression is?

Think about it, most people don't use these things for ages and do a bunch of research, they choose the one they like the best in store. And what I'm saying is that the interface for the HTC One is terrible and it will be unappealing to most customers. Where am I getting this information from? HTC's own profit figures, which have been in sharp decline over the past year and that's a trend that's only continuing. Compared to early 2012, their profit is down over 90%. Last quarter, BlackBerry actually made more profit than HTC despite the fact most of the phones they're selling are still BB7 devices! There are literally more customers for BlackBerry Bolds than there are for anything HTC is putting out right now.

So yes, in my "uneducated" opinion, I think this phone is doomed to failure.

I would say, using your example, it would likely come down more to the "looks" of the phone than anything else if first impressions are all you'll base it off of.

Personally, I don't find your post idiotic because you only spent a few minutes with the thing (I recognize your example and most of the buying public will likely buy whatever their kid or the salesperson recommends anyways), I find it idiotic that you can say with certainty that the phone sucks and is crap and that MOST people won't buy it.....

If you had added "for me" to the end of your sentences and come up with the conclusion that, given your preferences, it simply isn't the phone for you, you would've looked a lot less arrogant and idiotic.

Oh and the reason HTC's profits are so terrible this quarter is because they haven't put ANYTHING out yet....so congrats to BB. Their phones are selling more than nothing.....

0dev
Apr 8, 2013, 10:39 AM
I would say, using your example, it would likely come down more to the "looks" of the phone than anything else if first impressions are all you'll base it off of.

Personally, I don't find your post idiotic because you only spent a few minutes with the thing (I recognize your example and most of the buying public will likely buy whatever their kid or the salesperson recommends anyways), I find it idiotic that you can say with certainty that the phone sucks and is crap and that MOST people won't buy it.....

If you had added "for me" to the end of your sentences and come up with the conclusion that, given your preferences, it simply isn't the phone for you, you would've looked a lot less arrogant and idiotic.

I'm basing the assumption that most people won't buy it on HTC's current market position. They're literally doing worse than BlackBerry. Clearly people don't like their phones anymore.

jrswizzle
Apr 8, 2013, 10:43 AM
I'm basing the assumption that most people won't buy it on HTC's current market position. They're literally doing worse than BlackBerry. Clearly people don't like their phones anymore.

Read my edited post.....you're basing that logic off a quarter in which BB released new BB10 devices and HTC released nothing.....

As I said, congrats to BB for outselling nothing.

I tried out the Z10 at a Best Buy mobile shop. Pretty interesting device, though the build quality was terrible - it was popped open on the side so I snapped it shut....felt like it wasn't even a real phone.

The interface was interesting, I liked the multitasking implementation and the gestures, but other than that, the UI was too "business" for me (which I know is what they go for) and if you hate the iPhone for its lack of customization, I figure you'll likely hate BB10 for the same reason.....also not nearly as responsive as iOS or even JB 4.2.2 for that matter.

But I only used the thing for 10 minutes - personally wouldn't base my buying decision off that time.

0dev
Apr 8, 2013, 10:47 AM
Read my edited post.....you're basing that logic off a quarter in which BB released new BB10 devices and HTC released nothing.....

As I said, congrats to BB for outselling nothing.

I tried out the Z10 at a Best Buy mobile shop. Pretty interesting device, though the build quality was terrible - it was popped open on the side so I snapped it shut....felt like it wasn't even a real phone.

The interface was interesting, I liked the multitasking implementation and the gestures, but other than that, the UI was too "business" for me (which I know is what they go for) and if you hate the iPhone for its lack of customization, I figure you'll likely hate BB10 for the same reason.....also not nearly as responsive as iOS or even JB 4.2.2 for that matter.

But I only used the thing for 10 minutes - personally wouldn't base my buying decision off that time.

BlackBerry only sold a million Z10's, the bulk of those sales and the source of most of those profits was actually their old phones based off BlackBerry OS 5, 6, and 7. Even without the Z10 they still would have outsold HTC.

jrswizzle
Apr 8, 2013, 10:58 AM
BlackBerry only sold a million Z10's, the bulk of those sales and the source of most of those profits was actually their old phones based off BlackBerry OS 5, 6, and 7. Even without the Z10 they still would have outsold HTC.

Source? I can't seem to find a global marketshare report for Q1 2013.....only US which has HTC in third and doesn't even list BB (although the Z10 only came here a few weeks ago).

0dev
Apr 8, 2013, 11:15 AM
Source? I can't seem to find a global marketshare report for Q1 2013.....only US which has HTC in third and doesn't even list BB (although the Z10 only came here a few weeks ago).

Sure thing: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/mar/28/blackberry-profit-sells-million-z10-smartphones)

Sales of older generation BlackBerrys drifted down to 5m, from 6.9m last quarter

So, as you'd expect, sales for those old devices are falling, but they sold a lot more of them than Z10's and made a better profit than HTC. Which just goes to show how bad HTC's situation is, eh?

jrswizzle
Apr 8, 2013, 11:19 AM
Sure thing: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/mar/28/blackberry-profit-sells-million-z10-smartphones)



So, as you'd expect, sales for those old devices are falling, but they sold a lot more of them than Z10's and made a better profit than HTC. Which just goes to show how bad HTC's situation is, eh?

Perhaps.....

Though I still stand by the fact the One was delayed plays a big role in those terrible numbers - sales are always bad before a release....combine that with the fact that the release never happened (that quarter) and you're bound to be headed for "disaster".

Also, those who are "hardcore crackberry" users don't have any alternative when a new Blackberry wasn't released - HTC loses potential buyers to other Android OEMs. This would also inflate Blackberry's sales numbers a tad.

HTC still owns a larger portion of market share than BB does (at least here in the US, neither are in the top 5 worldwide so I'm having a hard time finding any numbers) and when the One actually IS available, I'd be willing to bet a HUGE quarter for HTC.

And if not, well as long as the phone works for me, I really don't care if anyone else thinks its a good phone. I hope, though, people will at least give it a chance. And that HTC markets the thing properly in order to give it a chance as well - I don't think Samsung slammed the door like they could have with the GS4 release....

Plus, who buys their cellphones based on earnings reports???

0dev
Apr 8, 2013, 11:23 AM
Perhaps.....

Though I still stand by the fact the One was delayed plays a big role in those terrible numbers - sales are always bad before a release....combine that with the fact that the release never happened (that quarter) and you're bound to be headed for "disaster".

HTC still owns a larger portion of market share than BB does (at least here in the US, neither are in the top 5 worldwide so I'm having a hard time finding any numbers) and when the One actually IS available, I'd be willing to be a HUGE quarter for HTC.

Plus, who buys their cellphones based on earnings reports???

The One is delayed in the US. It's already out here and there's a big marketing campaign on TV for it too. They still don't seem to be selling many. Of course you're right things could turn around when it's released in the US, but considering HTC's profit has been plummeting all of last year I don't think this is a short term issue personally. But we'll see.

People don't buy phones based on earnings reports, but rather, the earnings reports reflect who buys the phones ;)

jrswizzle
Apr 8, 2013, 11:26 AM
The One is delayed in the US. It's already out here and there's a big marketing campaign on TV for it too. They still don't seem to be selling many. Of course you're right things could turn around when it's released in the US, but considering HTC's profit has been plummeting all of last year I don't think this is a short term issue personally. But we'll see.

People don't buy phones based on earnings reports, but rather, the earnings reports reflect who buys the phones ;)

And its tough for people to buy phones, when they expected something new that hasn't arrived ;)

Given the US is the largest market in the world (and HTC still holds a roughly 9% market share here) I'll bet they'll see a nice rise in a few weeks.

Heck, between the One and T-Mobile's new uncarrier stuff, it's pre-orders are already sold out at T-Mobile.

I'd just like to see another OEM jump into the Samsung/Apple mix. I think BB has done some interesting things with the Z10, but I think they are playing to a niche crowd and won't achieve the same widespread success they once saw.

0dev
Apr 8, 2013, 11:38 AM
And its tough for people to buy phones, when they expected something new that hasn't arrived ;)

Given the US is the largest market in the world (and HTC still holds a roughly 9% market share here) I'll bet they'll see a nice rise in a few weeks.

Heck, between the One and T-Mobile's new uncarrier stuff, it's pre-orders are already sold out at T-Mobile.

I'd just like to see another OEM jump into the Samsung/Apple mix. I think BB has done some interesting things with the Z10, but I think they are playing to a niche crowd and won't achieve the same widespread success they once saw.

That's all fair enough, we'll just have to see. I absolutely agree that the more competition the better but I'm trying to be realistic and not let emotions affect my opinion is all.

I think the BB10 has a nice chance of capturing a more mainstream audience with devices like the Z10 as long as developers make apps for it. The Q10 is more niche for sure, but there's still a market for it out there that no one else is even trying to capture, so I think if they keep going at this rate they might have a place in the market for the foreseeable future, although I do agree they are unlikely to be as big as they once were any time soon.

sentinelsx
Apr 8, 2013, 12:02 PM
The bigger question is for you OP, will you give up your iP5 for HTC One if I did?

:)

onthecouchagain
Apr 8, 2013, 01:33 PM
I thought you were keeping an open mind. You sound to me like you have made your mind up about sense already, which is far from keeping an open mind ;)[COLOR="#808080"]


Keep an open mind about the device itself because, as you know already, there are a few things I dislike about it, beautiful though it may be.

Sense has always been a turn off, especially the forced BlinkFeed page. From the very onset when I was seriously considering the One, Sense was likely going to go.

I mean, I'll use it for a bit, but I rather put a stock-looking (or flash real stock) Android on it.

Hail Caesar
Apr 8, 2013, 01:46 PM
no. :apple:

EstaVidaLoca
Apr 8, 2013, 03:23 PM
1. it looks like you prefer expandable storage yet you are using iphone 4s with non-expandable storage. tmobile htc one offers 32gb. not enough?

2. 4.1 is fairly recent. at this point in time, i dont think htc had enough time to test out 4.2. but i'm willing to bet it will get 4.2 and the upcoming lime pie.

3. wow!!! really? changing a launcher literally takes less than a minute. just choose what you like from the market if you don't like the default one.

I have a 64GB 4S, why would I downgrade? HTC is notorious for not updating phones on schedule if at all. Changing the launcher makes some of the Sense components unavailable that I might want to use. I know what I want in a phone and what my personal preferences are if I choose to go back to Android. I swear I need to be handcuffed when I visit this forum.

TG1
Apr 8, 2013, 04:16 PM
Maybe. I am concerned about battery life coming from the iPhone 5, though. Anyone else? (from Anandtech)
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bmac4
Apr 9, 2013, 12:09 AM
Maybe. I am concerned about battery life coming from the iPhone 5, though. Anyone else? (from Anandtech)
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There is no way those stats are right. I have the iPhone 5 and note 2, and the iPhone 5 comes no where near the note 2 in battery life.

With that said the HTC One will for sure be a drop from the iphone 5. If the S4 is anything Luke the note 2 on the software side, it will have some things to help control the battery. Still though the stand by on the iPhone is by far one of the best.

pickaxe
Apr 9, 2013, 02:34 AM
There is no way those stats are right. I have the iPhone 5 and note 2, and the iPhone 5 comes no where near the note 2 in battery life.

It's true. Notice how iPhone 5 is listed twice in the browser battery test? The lower score is the "real life" score and the one listed as LTE is some freak accident is some freak accident that is not representative.

mib1800
Apr 9, 2013, 03:35 AM
Maybe battery life test by gsmarena may better reflect

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MacRumorUser
Apr 9, 2013, 06:12 AM
There is no way those stats are right. I have the iPhone 5 and note 2, and the iPhone 5 comes no where near the note 2 in battery life.

With that said the HTC One will for sure be a drop from the iphone 5. If the S4 is anything Luke the note 2 on the software side, it will have some things to help control the battery. Still though the stand by on the iPhone is by far one of the best.

HTC One get's better battery life for me than my iPhone 5 doing the exact same things over the course of the day.

My best day so far for heavy use was.

Off charge 7am. drove 60 minutes, listening to music in the car via bluetooth to car stereo and made a couple of phone calls to friends. 8am base of mountain, started to take photos.

100 photos later and showing off some of the automatic zoe creations to the gang, I headed back to the car.

Back onto bluetooth where I made a few more calls.

Back home edited some photos, sent them to the computer via email from the phone and uploaded my HTC share with Zoe.

Installed a few application updates via play store, and updated facebook and instragram / twitter with some of the photos of the day.

Read pulse and blink feed and added my diary dates for the coming week in both calendar and tasks / notes.

Later in the day I went for another walk on the beach and quick swim in the gym/pool, drove to the beach so the phone was back on bluetooth and listended to music via headphones on the beach.

Went to gym. Showed some of the photos to friends who couldn't make it.

Later drove home, back on bluetooth and made a call.

Night time checked a couple of emails and answered them. Changed TV stations via TV app and my Freesat+ box. Looked at a youtube video or two.

Bed time at 11pm. Phone was still at 37% after all that activity during the day. Power saver is off, and emails are set to smart sync.


That from the HTC One. Battery life for me - won't be a concern.

bmac4
Apr 9, 2013, 08:38 AM
It's true. Notice how iPhone 5 is listed twice in the browser battery test? The lower score is the "real life" score and the one listed as LTE is some freak accident is some freak accident that is not representative.

Ok well in some test you can tell me that the iPhone 5 is better, but using both daily the note 2 blows it away no question.

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HTC One get's better battery life for me than my iPhone 5 doing the exact same things over the course of the day.

My best day so far for heavy use was.

Off charge 7am. drove 60 minutes, listening to music in the car via bluetooth to car stereo and made a couple of phone calls to friends. 8am base of mountain, started to take photos.

100 photos later and showing off some of the automatic zoe creations to the gang, I headed back to the car.

Back onto bluetooth where I made a few more calls.

Back home edited some photos, sent them to the computer via email from the phone and uploaded my HTC share with Zoe.

Installed a few application updates via play store, and updated facebook and instragram / twitter with some of the photos of the day.

Read pulse and blink feed and added my diary dates for the coming week in both calendar and tasks / notes.

Later in the day I went for another walk on the beach and quick swim in the gym/pool, drove to the beach so the phone was back on bluetooth and listended to music via headphones on the beach.

Went to gym. Showed some of the photos to friends who couldn't make it.

Later drove home, back on bluetooth and made a call.

Night time checked a couple of emails and answered them. Changed TV stations via TV app and my Freesat+ box. Looked at a youtube video or two.

Bed time at 11pm. Phone was still at 37% after all that activity during the day. Power saver is off, and emails are set to smart sync.


That from the HTC One. Battery life for me - won't be a concern.

Yea these controlled test just don't give me any information. Using these phones on a daily biases say something much different.

tjl3
Apr 9, 2013, 10:57 PM
Ok well in some test you can tell me that the iPhone 5 is better, but using both daily the note 2 blows it away no question.

It's true. Notice how iPhone 5 is listed twice in the browser battery test? The lower score is the "real life" score and the one listed as LTE is some freak accident is some freak accident that is not representative.

Ignorance is bliss I guess. If you did anything to understand that chart, you'd notice that the first benchmark is on LTE and the 2nd is on 3G. And in short, the on time for 3G in some cases are showing poorer battery life during web browsing than the 4S.

Edit: However, you could be right about the Note 2 battery b/c he doesn't evaluate it on LTE since he reviewed it on T-Mo. I can't comment since I've never extensively used a Note.

bmac4
Apr 10, 2013, 12:15 AM
Ignorance is bliss I guess. If you did anything to understand that chart, you'd notice that the first benchmark is on LTE and the 2nd is on 3G. And in short, the on time for 3G in some cases are showing poorer battery life during web browsing than the 4S.

Edit: However, you could be right about the Note 2 battery b/c he doesn't evaluate it on LTE since he reviewed it on T-Mo. I can't comment since I've never extensively used a Note.

There is no way possible the iPhone 5 is better. Not from what I have witnessed. My iPhone never came close to my note 2. Maybe he was doing something different, but I really don't think that is normal.

tjl3
Apr 10, 2013, 07:40 AM
There is no way possible the iPhone 5 is better. Not from what I have witnessed. My iPhone never came close to my note 2. Maybe he was doing something different, but I really don't think that is normal.

"We regularly load web pages at a fixed interval until the battery dies (all displays are calibrated to 200 nits as always)...

The non-LTE phones see a sharp drop in battery life. At least at 28nm the slower air interfaces simply have to remain active (and drawing power) for longer, which results in measurably worse battery life. Again, the thing to be careful of here is there's usually a correlation between network speed and how aggressive you use the device. With a workload that scaled with network speed you might see closer numbers between 3G and 4G LTE."

The variation on his tests are much less than say the variation while you or I would be normally using our phones, so yes it is a good measure on battery life on cellular data and Wi-Fi. Keep in mind he is only using the HSPA+ on the Note 2, which he suggests has a higher battery drain due to the network speed and on time of the radio.

Doing a little more digging, he also points out the iPhone 5 suffers most compared to its competitors in talk time.

bmac4
Apr 10, 2013, 09:27 AM
"We regularly load web pages at a fixed interval until the battery dies (all displays are calibrated to 200 nits as always)...

The non-LTE phones see a sharp drop in battery life. At least at 28nm the slower air interfaces simply have to remain active (and drawing power) for longer, which results in measurably worse battery life. Again, the thing to be careful of here is there's usually a correlation between network speed and how aggressive you use the device. With a workload that scaled with network speed you might see closer numbers between 3G and 4G LTE."

The variation on his tests are much less than say the variation while you or I would be normally using our phones, so yes it is a good measure on battery life on cellular data and Wi-Fi. Keep in mind he is only using the HSPA+ on the Note 2, which he suggests has a higher battery drain due to the network speed and on time of the radio.

Doing a little more digging, he also points out the iPhone 5 suffers most compared to its competitors in talk time.

I had no clue that the HSPA+ would use more battery. I always thought LTE was a much bigger battery hog. I guess it should be said in their test it drains faster. Cause I am pretty sure the LTE chip requires more power to run.

tjl3
Apr 10, 2013, 09:38 AM
I had no clue that the HSPA+ would use more battery. I always thought LTE was a much bigger battery hog. I guess it should be said in their test it drains faster. Cause I am pretty sure the LTE chip requires more power to run.

The LTE radio goes into standby when not in use, where as the HSPA+ does not. And summarizing Anandtech's analysis, the LTE phones get better battery life than 3G and HSPA+ phones in many cases for many reasons, one being that when the task is done faster, they go to standby faster, whereas tasks run on 3G or HSPA+ will keep the radio on for a longer period, thus the greater battery drain.

bmac4
Apr 10, 2013, 09:59 AM
The LTE radio goes into standby when not in use, where as the HSPA+ does not. And summarizing Anandtech's analysis, the LTE phones get better battery life than 3G and HSPA+ phones in many cases for many reasons, one being that when the task is done faster, they go to standby faster, whereas tasks run on 3G or HSPA+ will keep the radio on for a longer period, thus the greater battery drain.

Oh ok. Did not know thst .

hovscorpion12
Apr 11, 2013, 09:26 AM
Verizon customer, and I jumped from the IP4 to the Galaxy S3, enjoyed it, but came back to the Ip5. I didn't have to switch carriers.( Verizon will probably get it by June). I definitely would not switch carriers, but I am very tempted to get the HTC One if Verizon gets it.

Verizon Wireless is not getting the HTC one. the HTC one is only available on At&T, Sprint and i think T-Mobile