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MacRumors
Apr 8, 2013, 10:53 AM
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AppGratis (http://appshopper.com/entertainment/appgratis-1-free-app-a-day-and-other-cool-discounts-2), a popular app discovery app on the iPhone, has been pulled from the App Store (http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/07/apple-pulls-ios-app-discovery-service-appgratis-from-app-store/) following the recent launch (http://appshopper.com/entertainment/appgratis-hd-daily-free-apps-and-other-cool-discounts) of its iPad version.

TechCrunch reports (http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/07/apple-pulls-ios-app-discovery-service-appgratis-from-app-store/) that AppGratis has not spoken publicly about the issue, but other apps have been pulled (http://appshopper.com/blog/2012/12/20/appshopper-app-removed-from-the-app-store-for-now/) from the App Store for violating a rule on displaying 'Apps other than your own for purchase or promotion in a manner similar to or confusing with the App Store'.

However, TechCrunch notes that there are other reasons why the App could have been removed from the store:
That's why many other scenarios are still possible. Maybe AppGratis uses a private API or breaks an insignificant guideline and Apple won't put the app back in the store until an updated version is submitted. As always, developers are at the mercy of Apple's review team. The team often contacts developers to require some changes to an app in order to stay in the store.

Paris-based AppGratis has coincidentally raised $13.5 million in January. With 7 million users and the ability to lead to up to 500,000 downloads for a single app, the company is not a newcomer. If Apple wanted to stamp out AppGratis, it could have done it a few months ago.Update: Apple has confirmed to All Things D (http://allthingsd.com/20130408/confirmed-apple-kicks-appgratis-out-of-the-store-for-being-too-pushy/) that AppGratis was removed from the App Store for using push notifications to send marketing messages, and also:
But sources close to the company say it was more than a little troubled that AppGratis was pushing a business model that appeared to favor developers with the financial means to pay for exposure. "The App Store is intended as a meritocracy," a source familiar with Apple's thinking told AllThingsD.

Article Link: Apple Pulls App Discovery App 'AppGratis' From App Store [Updated] (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/08/apple-pulls-app-discovery-app-appgratis-from-app-store/)



Xenomorph
Apr 8, 2013, 10:56 AM
I don't see how these are confusing.

It doesn't matter if a user is confused into thinking this is an "app store", tapping any link opens *Apple's* App Store!

AQUADock
Apr 8, 2013, 11:01 AM
"Apple Pulls App Discovery App 'AppGratis' From App Store"

Should have put the word App more.

WillFisher
Apr 8, 2013, 11:15 AM
"Apple Pulls App Discovery App 'AppGratis' From App Store"

Should of put the word App more.

*In Samuel L Jackson voice*

Say App Again!

tobefirst
Apr 8, 2013, 11:23 AM
I would have expected some mention of how this affects or relates to AppShopper, MacRumor's sister site.

iPusch
Apr 8, 2013, 11:27 AM
never heard of that app -.-

Schmitty11
Apr 8, 2013, 11:28 AM
"Apple Pulls App Discovery App 'AppGratis' From App Store"

Should of put the word App more.

Say that 10 times fast

simonmet
Apr 8, 2013, 11:52 AM
Well, thanks to the publicity I'll be sure to check it out when it comes back.

Apple's App Store discovery is hopeless and in need of a major overhaul. With iOS 6 we got a new layout but not really any new features or tools to facilitate app discovery.

Seemingly 90 % of the top 100 apps at any given time are freemium ones. No I'm not interested in simulated gambling.

They occasionally promote good apps in the banner ads but it's a very limited number that can get exposed that way.

Kabeyun
Apr 8, 2013, 12:07 PM
I would have expected some mention of how this affects or relates to AppShopper, MacRumor's sister site.

Beat me to it. If the promotion rule is the reason, AppShopper's next.

MarcBook
Apr 8, 2013, 12:11 PM
"Apple Pulls App Discovery App 'AppGratis' From App Store"

Should of put the word App more.

I'm sorry, but my inner grammar Nazi is cringing. It's 'should have' or 'should've', not 'should of'.

On topic: I stopped using AppGratis a while ago (although still have it installed) because I got bored of the seemingly dull daily offers. The vast majority of apps seemed to me as ones that were performing poorly, usually for good reason, and so opted into AppGratis to try to boost awareness.

I know that's probably the whole point of the app from a developer's perspective, but I was thoroughly unimpressed by the apps featured by it.

Romf
Apr 8, 2013, 12:15 PM
I'm sorry, but my inner grammar Nazi is cringing. It's 'should have' or 'should've', not 'should of'.

On topic: I stopped using AppGratis a while ago (although still have it installed) because I got bored of the seemingly dull daily offers. The vast majority of apps seemed to me as ones that were performing poorly, usually for good reason, and so opted into AppGratis to try to boost awareness.

I know that's probably the whole point of the app from a developer's perspective, but I was thoroughly unimpressed by the apps featured by it.

I can quote that I've seen some very great apps like whatsapp or citymaps2go on this. Of course there are some useless stuff but for me it's an app worth a daily check :)

SirYossi
Apr 8, 2013, 12:17 PM
Beat me to it. If the promotion rule is the reason, AppShopper's next.

But AppShopper has a dedicated web sight that is used for both Mac Apps (how i find most of my price drop deals) and apps for iOS. I do not use the iOS app as it sucks really bad - tend to use the web sight as it will link to itunes or the app store. Apple can pull the AppShopper app but it does not effect the web sight does it?

Rogifan
Apr 8, 2013, 12:17 PM
I thought it was pulled because it was using private APIs?

Apple97
Apr 8, 2013, 12:30 PM
Gratis actually is the Norwegian word for Free.

TouchMint.com
Apr 8, 2013, 01:01 PM
If its true that the app was pulled because:

But sources close to the company say it was more than a little troubled that AppGratis was pushing a business model that appeared to favor developers with the financial means to pay for exposure.



I am glad Apple is finally doing something about this. Models like this are very hard on indie devs that dont have the money to "buy" their way to the top. This model also screws over the customer because a lot of the time this helps crappy apps move to the top when way better apps are not recognized.

Parasprite
Apr 8, 2013, 01:03 PM
Gratis actually is the Norwegian word for Free.

As well as Spanish, Italian, and English...and Afrikaans... and Haitian Creole, Dutch, Catalan, Croatian, Romanian, and, of course, Latin.

ORIGIN late Middle English: from Latin, contraction of gratiis ‘as a kindness,’ from gratia ‘grace, kindness.’

vmistery
Apr 8, 2013, 01:07 PM
Also a shame that 99.9% of what it promoted was trash anyway. I would love an app which suggested quality apps.

Mactendo
Apr 8, 2013, 01:12 PM
that AppGratis was pushing a business model that appeared to favor developers with the financial means to pay for exposure

So they deserve it. Too many money-sucking mediators these days.
My friend just released his next app and the first 3 emails he got were some agencies proposing him to promote his app on the App Store. One of them was asking for ridiculous $49000 or something like that.
Now he contacts popular app-review blogs to get a review and again they ask money for that. It wouldn't be a problem if they said "hey your app doesn't meet our quality standards, so we can't review it", but no, that's the business model for many of them - developers should just pay for reviews.

Mr.damien
Apr 8, 2013, 01:20 PM
""The App Store is intended as a meritocracy," a source familiar with Apple's thinking told AllThingsD."

Better latter than never. Happy to see those go away.

Always pushing crap apps on top of the App Store ...

Reason077
Apr 8, 2013, 01:28 PM
Apple has confirmed to All Things D that AppGratis was removed from the App Store for using push notifications to send marketing messages

Ridiculous reason. They had better ban Groupon and a few thousand other apps if Apps are now not allowed to send "marketing messages" via push notification.

This is, after all, why there is a user setting to block push notifications for each app. Surely users know what they're getting when they install an app like this, and can easily delete the app or block push if they get annoying.

nwcs
Apr 8, 2013, 01:32 PM
Beat me to it. If the promotion rule is the reason, AppShopper's next.

AppShopper isn't even in the US iTunes store anymore.

tatonka
Apr 8, 2013, 01:43 PM
So they deserve it. Too many money-sucking mediators these days.
My friend just released his next app and the first 3 emails he got were some agencies proposing him to promote his app on the App Store. One of them was asking for ridiculous $49000 or something like that.
Now he contacts popular blogs to get a review and again they ask money for that. It wouldn't be a problem if they said "hey your app doesn't meet our quality standards, so we can't review it", but no, that's the business model for many of them - developers should just pay for reviews.

What are you guys expecting? That like saying WalMart should not be allowed to hand out commercial magazines or Apple shouldn't be allowed to run Super Bowl ads because there are better Indie phones that are not getting the proper exposure. That is how the world works. You pay for advertisement room and exposure. If you have a really genius idea it will maybe picked up nonetheless, but chances are slim.

somethingelsefl
Apr 8, 2013, 01:57 PM
I really wish AppShopper was still available in the App Store, I honestly didn't see the harm. It certainly helped me find more apps (and spend more moey in the App Store).

Jessica Lares
Apr 8, 2013, 02:01 PM
So they deserve it. Too many money-sucking mediators these days.
My friend just released his next app and the first 3 emails he got were some agencies proposing him to promote his app on the App Store. One of them was asking for ridiculous $49000 or something like that.
Now he contacts popular blogs to get a review and again they ask money for that. It wouldn't be a problem if they said "hey your app doesn't meet our quality standards, so we can't review it", but no, that's the business model for many of them - developers should just pay for reviews.

Websites need to survive somehow. Most people block advertising these days, so there goes that option.

I wouldn't charge for a review myself, just ask for a promo code to get the app for free to review. Some developers have even seen me reviewing their apps on places like here, and they do offer me some of their other stuff as a thank you.

But a lot of sites need that money to survive, and obviously to make money, you need money. If you don't get that concept, you probably won't get very far that quickly with most things, including apps.

somethingelsefl
Apr 8, 2013, 02:03 PM
but other apps have been pulled (http://appshopper.com/blog/2012/12/20/appshopper-app-removed-from-the-app-store-for-now/) from the App Store for violating a rule on displaying 'Apps other than your own for purchase or promotion in a manner similar to or confusing with the App Store'.

I would have expected some mention of how this affects or relates to AppShopper, MacRumor's sister site.


Read the article and click the links...they linked the AppShopper website in this posting. AppShopper was already pulled from the store a while back. MacRumors even posted a story about it. Even the TechCrunch story that was linked in the article contains information about how it relates to AppShopper.

Take. The. Time. To. Read.

autrefois
Apr 8, 2013, 02:14 PM
Article Link: Apple Pulls App Discovery App 'AppGratis' From App Store [Updated] (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/08/apple-pulls-app-discovery-app-appgratis-from-app-store/)

Should have put the word App more.

The Bruce Dickinson agrees.

Mactendo
Apr 8, 2013, 02:53 PM
What are you guys expecting? That like saying WalMart should not be allowed to hand out commercial magazines or Apple shouldn't be allowed to run Super Bowl ads because there are better Indie phones that are not getting the proper exposure. That is how the world works. You pay for advertisement room and exposure. If you have a really genius idea it will maybe picked up nonetheless, but chances are slim.

I believe that creating a website dedicated to only paid app reviews is wrong. Wrong in the same way as if you opened a supermarket and ask food producers to pay you to sell their food.
It's not a problem to pay for an ad in Times or another content-oriented resource.

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Websites need to survive somehow. Most people block advertising these days, so there goes that option.

I wouldn't charge for a review myself, just ask for a promo code to get the app for free to review. Some developers have even seen me reviewing their apps on places like here, and they do offer me some of their other stuff as a thank you.

But a lot of sites need that money to survive, and obviously to make money, you need money. If you don't get that concept, you probably won't get very far that quickly with most things, including apps.

Creating a website with the sole purpose of publishing paid reviews is wrong concept. Only those with money regardless of app quality will be featured. It's the same story as with this blocked app.
If you don't get that concept then I'm sorry for you.

Squilly
Apr 8, 2013, 02:57 PM
I hope AppGratis still serves the people that have already downloaded the app. I love that app.... :/

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I believe that creating a website dedicated to only paid app reviews is wrong. Wrong in the same way as if you opened a supermarket and ask food producers to pay you to sell their food.
It's not a problem to pay for an ad in Times or another content-oriented resource.

Wait, what? Don't food producers already have to pay to be in a store? ie. top shelf or prime location?

Mactendo
Apr 8, 2013, 03:10 PM
I hope AppGratis still serves the people that have already downloaded the app. I love that app.... :/

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Wait, what? Don't food producers already have to pay to be in a store? ie. top shelf or prime location?

In some countries you don't pay and the store owner just picks what he believes is best for him and his customers. In some countries you pay for prime location (we can compare it to a banner ad on a website). In some countries and stores you pay just to get your product to the store and there's no way they'll pick your or anyone else's product if you don't pay. The latter is very bad and a totally wrong business model. It hurts product makers, it hurts customers, because the selection is screwed and not based on quality, the only one who wins is the store owner.

Miguel Cunha
Apr 8, 2013, 05:15 PM
Gratis actually is the Norwegian word for Free.

As well as Spanish, Italian, and English...and Afrikaans... and Haitian Creole, Dutch, Catalan, Croatian, Romanian, and, of course, Latin.

You forgot Portuguese!

.Asa
Apr 8, 2013, 06:41 PM
Dang it.:mad: I use this app frequently and have found some really good apps in app gratis. The question is, will it continue to work if I still have it?

I'm worried for the Touch Arcade app, which also promotes other apps and lets you watch for price drops and such... If it gets pulled, I'll be mad.

GoCubsGo
Apr 8, 2013, 06:52 PM
Yes the app will work if you still have it.

As for push notifications, mine are off and they weren't as bad as the god damn skee ball notifications.

Rico31262
Apr 8, 2013, 07:31 PM
I see Apps Gone Free, AppiDay, Apps Gone Wild still in the App Store...what are they doing "right" that AppGratis did "wrong?" :(

JAT
Apr 9, 2013, 12:05 AM
Funny, this and AppShopper are right next to each other in my shopping folder. Guess I better not mess with them.

tatonka
Apr 9, 2013, 07:51 AM
[QUOTE=Mactendo;17114495]I believe that creating a website dedicated to only paid app reviews is wrong. Wrong in the same way as if you opened a supermarket and ask food producers to pay you to sell their food.
It's not a problem to pay for an ad in Times or another content-oriented resource.[COLOR="#808080"]

But this app is not even a store. The sell exposure .. advertisement space if you will, this is no different than buying space in a magazine to advertise your product. Well I guess it is a bit different in the sense that customer are actually getting "paid" to read the ads in this model over just having to consume them in old fashioned magazines or on TV. Here the customers are benefiting from discounts or even free apps.

Beside, a lot of stores actually work that way that they have dedicated Areas to showcase certain products, Apples own shop in a shop system is an example.

Habakuk
Apr 9, 2013, 06:31 PM
Now he contacts popular app-review blogs to get a review and again they ask money for that. It wouldn't be a problem if they said "hey your app doesn't meet our quality standards, so we can't review it", but no, that's the business model for many of them - developers should just pay for reviews.

I believe that creating a website dedicated to only paid app reviews is wrong.

Full ack. Here you have kind of a blacklist of such sites:

http://www.appynation.com/hall-of-infamy/

As well as Spanish, Italian, and English...and Afrikaans... and Haitian Creole, Dutch, Catalan, Croatian, Romanian, and, of course, Latin.

And German btw.

I really wish AppShopper was still available in the App Store, I honestly didn't see the harm. It certainly helped me find more apps (and spend more moey in the App Store).

Go to their website. It's essentially the same and good to read on mobile devices. Highly recommended! (Okay they could tell if there are In-App Purchases for real money inside the apps.) However they use affiliate links (referrers).

Article Link: Apple Pulls App Discovery App 'AppGratis' From App Store [Updated] (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/08/apple-pulls-app-discovery-app-appgratis-from-app-store/)

You forgot to bold App #5. :D Appappappappappabble.

fujitsu
Apr 13, 2013, 09:11 PM
I would have expected some mention of how this affects or relates to AppShopper, MacRumor's sister site.

AppShopper was affected first with the new rules from Apple. It was already pulled back from the App Store a few months back.