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theuserjohnny
Apr 8, 2013, 11:18 AM
So I embarrassed myself yesterday by buying a Nexus 4 for my Verizon contract... read here!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17113344#post17113344

So currently I'm sharing a plan with my family. They are all due for an upgrade except for me (I'm not due till next year). I have 2 options...

1.) One of them will just not upgrade and get off Verizon and just pick up my remaining contract and I'll switch to T-Mobile. The only downfall is that I just have to get a new number. The good my Nexus 4 would work.

2.) One of them will upgrade and I'll just get whatever smartphone of my choice. The downfall I'm stuck with Verizon for another 2 years. The good I get a new Galaxy S3.

Right now I'm still expecting the Nexus 4 to arrive at the end of the week.

THE TITLE IS MISLEADING! INSTEAD OF CANCEL I SHOULD HAVE PUT LEAVE!



TheHateMachine
Apr 8, 2013, 11:26 AM
So I embarrassed myself yesterday by buying a Nexus 4 for my Verizon contract... read here!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17113344#post17113344

So currently I'm sharing a plan with my family. They are all due for an upgrade except for me (I'm not due till next year). I have 2 options...

1.) One of them will just not upgrade and get off Verizon and just pick up my remaining contract and I'll switch to T-Mobile. The only downfall is that I just have to get a new number. The good my Nexus 4 would work.

2.) One of them will upgrade and I'll just get whatever smartphone of my choice. The downfall I'm stuck with Verizon for another 2 years. The good I get a new Galaxy S3.

Right now I'm still expecting the Nexus 4 to arrive at the end of the week.

THE TITLE IS MISLEADING! INSTEAD OF CANCEL I SHOULD HAVE PUT LEAVE!

Well I am highly biased towards Verizon and feel like they should lose out all the time. So I am going to tell you yes!

However, you should really test out Tmobile's coverage in your area. Just buy the $10 dollar sim and use their $30 prepaid unlimited data/text 100 minute plan for a month and see how it works out in your frequently traveled areas.

cynics
Apr 8, 2013, 01:14 PM
I only suggest Verizon if you have an LTE phone and are usually in LTE coverage.

Their 3G is crap IMO.

Pick a phone you want THEN pick the carrier.

I don't know much about tmobile but Verizon's voice coverage is excellent. It's just there terrible 3G that bothers me especially for how much they charge. EVDO? Forget about it, be more productive to use the USPS to send messages/mms/etc.

S4 is coming out soon. I don't know how much you like the S3 but 2 years is a long time to be stuck with "last years model". Btw I don't know if Verizon is getting the S4 or when so you'll have to do your own research on that.

mattopotamus
Apr 8, 2013, 01:20 PM
I posted this at the end of the other thread, but here you go :)

t-mobile is the cheapest of the big 4 if you want unlimited talk, text, and web and fast internet speeds. Their hspa+ network is up to 42 mbps, which is basically LTE. I only get 23 on att LTE and on tmobile hspa+ I get 27 mbps down.

Shrink
Apr 8, 2013, 01:25 PM
I guess I should say this real quietly...

I've had Verizon for years, and I'm happy with them...:eek:

AutoUnion39
Apr 8, 2013, 02:30 PM
No way. Verizon has more LTE than TMobile has 3G. It's a night and day difference. Stick with big red.

tjl3
Apr 8, 2013, 03:15 PM
IMO, NO!

You get what you pay for, so definitely check the T-Mo coverage in your area if you are really considering it, as the person above said. Test driving a Nexus 4 will cost you tho, b/c not only does Google have a restocking fee, shipping is not calculated in the $349. And you're not likely to get the full price back on ebay or craigslist.

HSPA+ 42 is awesome, if you get it. My area has HSPA+ 42 coverage, according to T-Mo, but I am often times on 3G and many times on EDGE w/ little or no connectivity on my Nexus 4. Conclusion, my personal phone on Verizon is a much better experience and worth the marked up price!

Dontazemebro
Apr 8, 2013, 03:46 PM
I wouldn't do it. While TMO has improved over the years, almost anywhere you go in the continental US, Verizon is going to be better.

Furthermore, never let a phone be the deciding factor for your carrier.

fr4c
Apr 8, 2013, 03:55 PM
I would stay with VZW, just for pure coverage alone. I've tried T-Mobile briefly a few months back and admit that speeds are great on their "4G" network. But everything goes to **** if you step inside a building, or if you drive outside major towns/cities. My Galaxy Note 2 would randomly fluctuate between excellent data connectivity to EDGE speeds during my daily commute.

So I would make the decision based on T-Mobile coverage in your area, and if you're not the type to travel out of state a lot maybe it'll be a good choice for you.

Always pick your decision based on coverage, rather than phone. Whats the point of a smartphone if you have no coverage?

Dontazemebro
Apr 8, 2013, 03:59 PM
I would stay with VZW, just for pure coverage alone. I've tried T-Mobile briefly a few months back and admit that speeds are great on their "4G" network. But everything goes to **** if you step inside a building, or if you drive outside major towns/cities. My Galaxy Note 2 would randomly fluctuate between excellent data connectivity to EDGE speeds during my daily commute.

So I would make the decision based on T-Mobile coverage in your area, and if you're not the type to travel out of state a lot maybe it'll be a good choice for you.

Always pick your decision based on coverage, rather than phone. Whats the point of a smartphone if you have no coverage?

T-Mobile does have the worst building penetration of all the big carriers. Few years back when I was still on their network I would be lucky to get 2 bars at work (hi rise building)

cynics
Apr 8, 2013, 04:26 PM
I'm surprised the last couple of people like Verizon so much. Of course that partly maybe my fault with an iPhone 4S. But their data speeds can be terrible on 3G. Max I've ever seen was 2 mbs and I travel all over the country. In large crowds its nearly unusable. I was just at opening day in Baltimore, MD for the Orioles and even iMessage was near impossible to use. I had to use a friends ATT 4S for directions. Vegas is a nightmare.

Then you have the issue of no talk and data. Some of their phones can do it, but only if you are on LTE. The iPhone can't even do both if its on LTE.

I'm sure I'd be much happier if I had an iPhone 5 but even then data and voice at the same time is pretty important to me because I use the phone for work.

Just not a CDMA fan I guess. :)

scott craft
Apr 8, 2013, 05:12 PM
There are Verizon phones that can talk and surf at the same time on 3G. The Galaxy S3, Note 2 and most newer HTC phones are capable of it.

tjl3
Apr 8, 2013, 07:47 PM
I'm surprised the last couple of people like Verizon so much. Of course that partly maybe my fault with an iPhone 4S. But their data speeds can be terrible on 3G. Max I've ever seen was 2 mbs and I travel all over the country. In large crowds its nearly unusable. I was just at opening day in Baltimore, MD for the Orioles and even iMessage was near impossible to use. I had to use a friends ATT 4S for directions. Vegas is a nightmare.

Then you have the issue of no talk and data. Some of their phones can do it, but only if you are on LTE. The iPhone can't even do both if its on LTE.

I'm sure I'd be much happier if I had an iPhone 5 but even then data and voice at the same time is pretty important to me because I use the phone for work.

Just not a CDMA fan I guess. :)

I agree with this about 3G speeds, although the LTE coverage is so well and reliable that I rarely suffer from low data speeds. If AT&T didn't have such poor coverage at home and at work I would definitely have gotten the gsm iPhone 5. I definitely miss not having simultaneous data and voice, but it's not a deal breaker.

For the record, u think Verizon 3G is slow, well T-Mo EDGE is infinitely worse!

fr4c
Apr 8, 2013, 07:58 PM
I've never had any issues with Verizon 3G, if I was to fall back to it. Chances are most of the places I travel to are blanketed under LTE, and Verizon 3G were more than fast enough for what I needed to do on my phone anyways.

I'm more worried about the ping times than anything else, because a speedtest of 12MB down is not going to do you any good if your ping is 3-4 seconds. In my own experience Verizon has always been very good in that aspect.

You should see some of the results I get with AT&T, with full bars of "4G"...

blackhand1001
Apr 8, 2013, 08:47 PM
I say try out a sim and see how it goes. Some areas they have great coverage and the nexus 4 is an excellent phone, especially of you're into root since the boot loader is unlocked and Google provides all the drivers and binaries for custom ROMs. Roms like cm10, AOKP, etc are all as stable as stock essentially with added features and there much better than chrome, aosp browser.

tensiondeadache
Apr 8, 2013, 09:02 PM
Just switched from AT&T to T Mobile a few hours ago. Just walked in the store, said I wanted the everything unlimited plan, signed two papers and walked out in minutes with my number ported over on my Nexus 4.

I feel like I'm in a new world already, not being afraid to use the many data-intensive apps on my phone. TMO's HSPA is considerably faster than AT&T's LTE in Los Angeles (in the tests I've done using a Lumia 920 and Nexus 4), so it looks like I'm getting better service, unlimited data, HD Voice, wifi calling while spending about 30 bucks less a month.


Not a bad deal.

fr4c
Apr 8, 2013, 09:08 PM
Just switched from AT&T to T Mobile a few hours ago. Just walked in the store, said I wanted the everything unlimited plan, signed two papers and walked out in minutes with my number ported over on my Nexus 4.

I feel like I'm in a new world already, not being afraid to use the many data-intensive apps on my phone. TMO's HSPA is considerably faster than AT&T's LTE in Los Angeles (in the tests I've done using a Lumia 920 and Nexus 4), so it looks like I'm getting better service, unlimited data, HD Voice, wifi calling while spending about 30 bucks less a month.


Not a bad deal.
Enjoy. As long as you have good coverage, T-Mobile's plans are a bargain. Every time I look at my Verizon bill I think about how much they shaft consumers, if it wasn't for my 30% corporate discount.

viskon
Apr 8, 2013, 09:08 PM
T-Mobile does have the worst building penetration of all the big carriers. Few years back when I was still on their network I would be lucky to get 2 bars at work (hi rise building)

That's been my experience as well. Coverage inside buildings can be better.

tensiondeadache
Apr 8, 2013, 09:32 PM
That's been my experience as well. Coverage inside buildings can be better.

Ironically, the TMO store I dumped AT&T at was inside a mall, where I could not connect to AT&T but could TMO. I'll happily accept TMO's shortcomings to be able to use my Nexus 4 unlimited. I swear there is something about the N4's radios that make it work much better on TMO than AT&T-or AT&T is just neglecting HSPA. I was on the 3GB individual plan with them, my last bill was $147 because of data overages (the AT&T app assured me that I was under, until they tacked on 6GB's at the last second). I had a law enforcement discount, which they only applied to the voice portion of the bill....resulting in a measly $6 savings.

Goodbye AT&T, you have a solid LTE network in San Diego but that is about it. Cannot think of any reason to use them unless you are grandfathered unlimited.

siurpeeman
Apr 8, 2013, 11:00 PM
one bit of advice: just because a line is upgrade eligible doesn't mean the line is off-contract. look into the lines that you're thinking of dropping and check their contract end dates to make sure you can cancel without paying the early termination fee. usually, the line is given upgrade eligibility four months before the end of the contract.

with that said, i would suggest you get a sim card and test out t-mobile's coverage, both voice and data. my dependency on voice has declined over the years, and it didn't make much sense to me to hang onto verizon and pay $80/mo when i was using fewer than 100 minutes and roughly 2 gb of data. i'm trying t-mobile at the moment (with a nexus 4), and i'm pleased with the network speeds and reception despite it not being lte. verizon's coverage is appreciably better, sure, but for me it was worth leaving to save $50/mo.

theuserjohnny
Apr 9, 2013, 12:00 AM
HEY GUYS I really want to express my thanks for the advice you guys have given me! Again I'm not really keen on the phone industry and how it works more of the computer guy.

Anyways I've been hearing alot about Solavei as a provider from what I understand they use T-Mobile so it's T-Mobile without the T-Mobile? Like how do those type of providers (Boost Mobile, Criket, etc) work?

mattopotamus
Apr 9, 2013, 08:57 AM
IMO, NO!

You get what you pay for, so definitely check the T-Mo coverage in your area if you are really considering it, as the person above said. Test driving a Nexus 4 will cost you tho, b/c not only does Google have a restocking fee, shipping is not calculated in the $349. And you're not likely to get the full price back on ebay or craigslist.

HSPA+ 42 is awesome, if you get it. My area has HSPA+ 42 coverage, according to T-Mo, but I am often times on 3G and many times on EDGE w/ little or no connectivity on my Nexus 4. Conclusion, my personal phone on Verizon is a much better experience and worth the marked up price!

I would like to point out that I have never had to pay the restocking fee when buying from google.

tjl3
Apr 9, 2013, 09:47 AM
I would like to point out that I have never had to pay the restocking fee when buying from google.

Ah, well that is good. Their return policy is a 15 day window from purchase (which isn't a long time to try their products) and one line reads a 15% restocking fee will be deducted on the return (but if applicable). I think I looked up the policy when they had the GNex last summer, so I must not have remembered the "if applicable." The restocking fee policy clarifies it a little more.

mattopotamus
Apr 9, 2013, 10:15 AM
Ah, well that is good. Their return policy is a 15 day window from purchase (which isn't a long time to try their products) and one line reads a 15% restocking fee will be deducted on the return (but if applicable). I think I looked up the policy when they had the GNex last summer, so I must not have remembered the "if applicable." The restocking fee policy clarifies it a little more.

I think as long as you keep all of the original packaging they do not charge you the fee. Almost all business say they have a restocking fee, but never charge it. The only people I know to always enforce it are the damn cell phone carriers! ATT always hits your for the $35 restock fee.

streetfoldsfive
Apr 9, 2013, 10:21 AM
Probably a little late but I hate Verizon. I do stay because they have the best service in my area but they have done nothing but screw me numerous times. Not to mention the price. I can say that by the time my contract is up if they do not have the latest Nexus device I will set fire to something and most likely leave. If you love the nexus 4 why not leave? Tmobile seems to be doing everything they can to improve themselves. Things could only get better

fr4c
Apr 9, 2013, 10:23 AM
HEY GUYS I really want to express my thanks for the advice you guys have given me! Again I'm not really keen on the phone industry and how it works more of the computer guy.

Anyways I've been hearing alot about Solavei as a provider from what I understand they use T-Mobile so it's T-Mobile without the T-Mobile? Like how do those type of providers (Boost Mobile, Criket, etc) work?
They are MVNO, and essentially run their service off whichever provider they have a contract with. Same thing with StraightTalk, except they have both AT&T and T-Mobile networks to work off of.

From my experience, they work 100% the same as if you had the parent carrier, but at a much lower cost and no monthly contracts since it's prepaid. Only thing you need to research are their usage terms (data caps/throttling), as some may cap data after 1.5GB while others are much higher.

theuserjohnny
Apr 9, 2013, 11:15 AM
They are MVNO, and essentially run their service off whichever provider they have a contract with. Same thing with StraightTalk, except they have both AT&T and T-Mobile networks to work off of.

From my experience, they work 100% the same as if you had the parent carrier, but at a much lower cost and no monthly contracts since it's prepaid. Only thing you need to research are their usage terms (data caps/throttling), as some may cap data after 1.5GB while others are much higher.

Yeah I was doing reading on that! Most of the ones I'm looking at are cap'd at 2-5GB depending on who it is. I might actually look into using one of these plans... they're so cheap for great value! Why haven't other's looked into these plans? I mean they're the same as the carrier just without the name?

Is it just because the carriers can offer the phones (iPhone, GS3, etc) for cheap? Where as these carriers you have to get the phones unlocked?

fr4c
Apr 9, 2013, 11:38 AM
Yeah I was doing reading on that! Most of the ones I'm looking at are cap'd at 2-5GB depending on who it is. I might actually look into using one of these plans... they're so cheap for great value! Why haven't other's looked into these plans? I mean they're the same as the carrier just without the name?

Is it just because the carriers can offer the phones (iPhone, GS3, etc) for cheap? Where as these carriers you have to get the phones unlocked?
Correct, these plans only benefit those who provide their own unlocked phones. So for phone-a-holics like me who switch phones a lot, it's quite a bargain since you sign no contract and is much cheaper than going with the Big 4.

Also, customer service is pretty much non-existent with these companies. But granted everything you need to know about them, such as setting up APN's and general troubleshooting, can be easily found via Google and forums as tons of people use them.

rillrill
Apr 9, 2013, 08:30 PM
i did this, and it was the best decision i've made since getting a cell phone. YMMV. i don't talk on the phone too much. i prefer text and internets. the $30 walmart plan on t-mo is great for me. $50 savings every month really adds up. the service, however, is spotty in my area, but not unbearable. you really have to test it out to see, but for $30, why not try it? if you don't like it, cancel it.

maflynn
Apr 10, 2013, 05:53 AM
It really depends on the coverage. Does T-Mo offer the same coverage and quality of service where you live? Do you mind maying the ETF just to get the Nexus 4. You'll be paying in effect around 500 dollars for the phone, is it worth that price to go to t-mo? (nexus 4 cost + estimated ETF).

I wish Google provided a Nexus phone for VZW, I'd be there in a heartbeat but they don't and VZW in my area offers better coverage, service and quality then ATT and T-MO so its a no brainer for me to stick with them

mattopotamus
Apr 10, 2013, 06:07 AM
i did this, and it was the best decision i've made since getting a cell phone. YMMV. i don't talk on the phone too much. i prefer text and internets. the $30 walmart plan on t-mo is great for me. $50 savings every month really adds up. the service, however, is spotty in my area, but not unbearable. you really have to test it out to see, but for $30, why not try it? if you don't like it, cancel it.

So they use these big players towers, but not all of them? I just want to know how it can be different coverage than t-mobile if they are using t-mobile towers, thanks.

fr4c
Apr 10, 2013, 08:08 AM
So they use these big players towers, but not all of them? I just want to know how it can be different coverage than t-mobile if they are using t-mobile towers, thanks.
I think he just meant that TMobile coverage is spotty in his area. Service coverage for postpaid and prepaid are exactly the same, except postpaid customers get priority on cell towers if congestion occurs.

rillrill
Apr 10, 2013, 02:15 PM
yeah, sorry. with tmo, i have 3g at work, but 2g at home. i drive in and out of 3g service a lot. it's a compromise i'm willing to make because i have an ISP.

$600 is a decent savings, plus i can switch to any phone i want that works with the service. the nexus 4 will be good enough for a few years, i think, because of google's constant updates. the only other brand i'd go with is apple. samsung takes too long to update their phones' software.

theuserjohnny
Apr 10, 2013, 03:08 PM
I think he just meant that TMobile coverage is spotty in his area. Service coverage for postpaid and prepaid are exactly the same, except postpaid customers get priority on cell towers if congestion occurs.

So what is the main difference between LTE and the HSPA+?

The way I look at it is that LTE is Thunderbolt and HSPA+ is USB3.

maflynn
Apr 10, 2013, 03:48 PM
The way I look at it is that LTE is Thunderbolt and HSPA+ is USB3.

HSPA+ download rates up to 168Mbps though real world rates are probably slower.

LTE download rates up to 299.6Mbps and again probably much slower in real world conditions.

So LTE is significantly faster on paper and I believe in real world applications, otherwise why would ATT and T-MO spend billions to roll out LTE when they have HSPA+

yeah
Jun 20, 2013, 12:43 PM
HEY GUYS I really want to express my thanks for the advice you guys have given me! Again I'm not really keen on the phone industry and how it works more of the computer guy.

Anyways I've been hearing alot about Solavei as a provider from what I understand they use T-Mobile so it's T-Mobile without the T-Mobile? Like how do those type of providers (Boost Mobile, Criket, etc) work?

They use the big 4's network(s), but they are stand alone networks too.

Plain english: They "borrow" the big networks and use it as their own.

The Robot Cow
Jun 22, 2013, 12:18 PM
I'm my opinion i wouldn't leave Verizon for t-mobile. Out here t-mobile is not that good. I have a galaxy nexus on verizon, i'm sure you can find used ones cheap, maybe even buy one for retail Last time i saw them they were a good $200 less then what i paid for

AutoUnion39
Jun 22, 2013, 12:20 PM
I'm my opinion i wouldn't leave Verizon for t-mobile. Out here t-mobile is not that good. I have a galaxy nexus on verizon, i'm sure you can find used ones cheap, maybe even buy one for retail Last time i saw them they were a good $200 less then what i paid for

You can even get a Galaxy S3 for dirt cheap these days too. Much better choice than a Nexus 4