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Apr 9, 2013, 12:17 PM
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http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/04/appgratis.jpgAppGratis (http://appgratis.com/) CEO Simon Dawlat today issued a statement (http://appgratis.com/blog/) about the recent removal of the AppGratis iPhone and iPad apps from the App Store, confirming that the apps were pulled for violating App Store guidelines 2.25 and 5.6, which state the following:Guideline 2.25
Apps that display Apps other than your own for purchase or promotion in a manner similar to or confusing with the App Store will be rejected.

Guideline 5.6
Apps cannot use Push Notifications to send advertising, promotions, or direct marketing of any kind.Dawlat explains that the AppGratis app was originally approved by two Apple reviewers, but a third reviewer pulled the app shortly after the release of the iPad version.Early Monday, R. gave me a follow-up call. He basically couldn't go beyond repeating multiple times that our app had been pulled out due to guideline 2.25 and 5.6.

I asked how he and his team could have possibly changed their minds overnight, pretty much pulling the plug on a 45-person company. He seemed very detached regarding the gravity of the situation, and was unable to let me know on what specifics these decisions had been made.Dawlat goes on to say that he remains in "absolute shock" about what is happening to AppGratis, but that the service is "far from finished."

AppGratis, he says, still has more than 12 million iOS users, and will continue to deliver new daily deals. Dawlat finishes his lengthy blog post with a plea, asking for readers to share the post and for an Apple executive to get in touch to further discuss the matter.

Article Link: AppGratis CEO Explains App Store Removal, Says AppGratis is 'Far From Finished' (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/09/appgratis-ceo-explains-app-removal-says-appgratis-is-far-from-finished/)



DipDog3
Apr 9, 2013, 12:30 PM
AppGratis has been hit pretty hard with the Apple Banhammer, they are done.

Obviously someone high up, like Timmy has decided to ban this app. There is no coming back.

audio_inside
Apr 9, 2013, 12:49 PM
Guideline 2.25's restriction on displaying apps "in a manner similar to or confusing with the App Store" obviously doesn't apply to AppGratis because, unlike the App Store, AppGratis' search and discovery function does not suck.

Dave-Z
Apr 9, 2013, 12:49 PM
Apps like this should be web-based. Remove Apple from the equation and provide a great product. Admittedly web apps are not as great as native ones; however, they could go a long way toward providing a great product that can't just be rejected (except by consumers, of course).

thelink
Apr 9, 2013, 12:57 PM
'Far from finished' ehh? Tell me that after I rip a hook snap to the uppin' jaw if you know what I'm sayin'.

tarasis
Apr 9, 2013, 01:06 PM
I don't care for AppGratis, but this does make me worry for AppShopper. I consider that a near essential app :)

M-O
Apr 9, 2013, 01:38 PM
I don't care for AppGratis, but this does make me worry for AppShopper. I consider that a near essential app :)

didn't they already pull the AppShopper app?

JPChicago
Apr 9, 2013, 01:46 PM
I dont understand how they removed this but there are many other apps that promote free apps such as appshopper and others. These two I use the most I'd be disappointed if shopper gets pulled as well

DipDog3
Apr 9, 2013, 01:48 PM
I don't care for AppGratis, but this does make me worry for AppShopper. I consider that a near essential app :)

AppShopper was banned last year and has yet to return.

alent1234
Apr 9, 2013, 01:53 PM
I dont understand how they removed this but there are many other apps that promote free apps such as appshopper and others. These two I use the most I'd be disappointed if shopper gets pulled as well

their own blog says they created apps for every country and broke the rules by spamming the app store

SkippyThorson
Apr 9, 2013, 01:54 PM
I downloaded AppShopper way back when, and continue to use it to this day. It went in my Favorites folder and never left. I love the functionality of that service. AppGratis allowed me to keep track of the daily free app instantly with a push notification, and I can't tell you how many quality, useful apps appeared there. I'll keep using them both until either the service cuts out over the App Store, or Apple pushes them into history.

C DM
Apr 9, 2013, 02:27 PM
Well, at least they still have Apps Gone Free (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/apps-gone-free-best-daily/id470693788) and Appsfire (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/appsfire-free-your-daily-dose/id418295945).

Kaibelf
Apr 9, 2013, 02:27 PM
When they submit to the app store, they agree to a contract and set of guidelines. Who cares if two people at Apple made a mistake, or if they have 45 people in their company? Keep your promises!

Corrode
Apr 9, 2013, 02:46 PM
AppShopper was banned last year and has yet to return.

Wow, I've been using AppShopper for years and didn't know they pulled it. It's one of the most useful things on my phone. Lame, Apple. Lame.

OwlBoy
Apr 9, 2013, 02:57 PM
Guideline 5.6
Apps cannot use Push Notifications to send advertising, promotions, or direct marketing of any kind.

Wait a sec, I have lots of apps do that. Simpsons Tapped out being one of them. "Hurry now for a discount on doughnuts" or some such stuff.

TheAppleFairy
Apr 9, 2013, 02:59 PM
I've gotten a few good apps from this for free that I was eyeballing.

C DM
Apr 9, 2013, 03:21 PM
Wait a sec, I have lots of apps do that. Simpsons Tapped out being one of them. "Hurry now for a discount on doughnuts" or some such stuff.Sounds like it's down to advertisement of other apps vs. advertisement of something related to being part of the app itself.

larrybeo
Apr 9, 2013, 04:57 PM
How do you guys navigate the App store? I use the Appshopper App - of course it's now gone but I thankfully still have it on mye phone. How else does Apple expect us to figure out the App Store MESS?!? Even if they added a "watch" function to tell you when apps drop in price it would be impossible to find apps to add them to your watchlist... It's impossible to find new Apps on there that don't get promoted...

I'm just dissappointed in this nonsense. Apple is sabatoging their own App Store.

JAT
Apr 9, 2013, 06:14 PM
Can someone explain this problem? I never have a hard time finding what I want on the AppStore. It's a little annoying with the side-scrolling interface, now. But I find apps all the time, easily. Keywords, company names, etc.

xav8tor
Apr 9, 2013, 06:33 PM
Apple's search function on the store is almost abysmal, forcing very narrow search terms to get the desired hits, or very broad terms in order not to miss something good. There's no sweet spot like. Finding movies and books is the worst though. Many of the most prized apps I've found were via Google searches, then going over to the App Store to purchase.

a0me
Apr 9, 2013, 07:10 PM
AppShopper was banned last year and has yet to return.
The AppShopper App has been on my iPhone and iPod touch for years and I didn't know it had been banned. So does this mean that when I upgrade to iPhone 5S AppShopper won't be transfered to my new device?

mrkramer
Apr 9, 2013, 07:20 PM
The AppShopper App has been on my iPhone and iPod touch for years and I didn't know it had been banned. So does this mean that when I upgrade to iPhone 5S AppShopper won't be transfered to my new device?

It should transfer just fine, and most likely you can still redownload it if you accidentally delete it. People who haven't bought it just can't get it. I still have Tris which was a tetris clone that got pulled in 2008, and have moved it from my iPod to an iPhone, to a newer iPhone. The biggest issue is no updates, but as long as the latest version is working fine that shouldn't be a problem.

JAT
Apr 9, 2013, 11:06 PM
It should transfer just fine, and most likely you can still redownload it if you accidentally delete it. People who haven't bought it just can't get it. I still have Tris which was a tetris clone that got pulled in 2008, and have moved it from my iPod to an iPhone, to a newer iPhone. The biggest issue is no updates, but as long as the latest version is working fine that shouldn't be a problem.

The biggest issue is whether or not they will be able to keep up what the app does now that it's on the **** list. This has daily deals. Some of them are just standard deals that even Apple announces, others are pretty unique. A little worried that they'll lose reason or ability to keep it up.

Which is no doubt why Dawlat is making public statements.

tarasis
Apr 10, 2013, 12:32 AM
AppShopper was banned last year and has yet to return.

Thanks DipDog3 I wasn't aware of that. Explains the lack of updates though. :/

Having restored my iPhone and iPad via the iCloud backup I hadn't noticed it was pulled.

Jibbajabba
Apr 10, 2013, 02:24 AM
They have 12 employees and not one was able to read the T&Cs ?

They aren't nice but are quite clear. Which is why our company stopped developing iOS apps and goes Android only or creates Web apps.

charlituna
Apr 10, 2013, 11:14 AM
They have 12 employees and not one was able to read the T&Cs ?

They aren't nice but are quite clear. Which is why our company stopped developing iOS apps and goes Android only or creates Web apps.

45 employees and they still couldn't.

As for the rules, they, any developer can, do as you did. Just say no and find another way that better fits your needs/wants

Mike777
Apr 18, 2013, 11:51 AM
Great news! now it's a more level playing field without thousands of un-used apps downloaded to game and manipulate the charts.

For those without a clue, these services reward you for downloading the app, not for actually using it. So obviously, yeah... It's just a botfarm.

JAT
Apr 19, 2013, 12:45 PM
I gotta say, the daily "ads" within AppGratis about how Apple is now after them are annoying. This will make me stop using it much faster than what Apple is doing.