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MacRumors
Apr 9, 2013, 03:42 PM
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Apple today issued (http://9to5mac.com/2013/04/09/apple-seeds-os-x-10-8-4-build-12e30-to-developers/) build 12E30 of OS X Mountain Lion to developers, eight days after the first beta (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/01/apple-issues-first-beta-of-os-x-10-8-4-to-appleseed-members/) of OS X 10.8.4 was released.*The first build asked developers to focus on Wi-Fi, Graphics Drivers and Safari, with no issues mentioned.

Registered developers can download the update on*Apple's Developer Page (https://developer.apple.com/)

Article Link: Apple Seeds Build 12E30 of OS X Beta 10.8.4 to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/09/apple-seeds-build-12e30-of-os-x-beta-10-8-4-to-developers/)



keysofanxiety
Apr 9, 2013, 03:45 PM
Here we go again. :rolleyes: My money's on 30 betas being tested before being released to the public :D

Hungry&Foolish
Apr 9, 2013, 03:46 PM
Two down, Eleven to go.

locoboi187
Apr 9, 2013, 03:50 PM
Graphics drivers updates is always a pleasant thing to hear for retina users :)

Peace
Apr 9, 2013, 03:53 PM
Graphics drivers updates is always a pleasant thing to hear for retina users :)

I wouldn't get your hopes up.

;)

locoboi187
Apr 9, 2013, 03:56 PM
I wouldn't get your hopes up.

;)

I remember that you get the betas. Do give feedback before you crush me lol

Sound214
Apr 9, 2013, 04:11 PM
I find it strange that although the release notes clearly tells developers to focus on Safari, it still has the same build as 10.8.3; Version 6.0.3 (8536.28.10).

Xenomorph
Apr 9, 2013, 04:12 PM
Calculator is snappier.

Killa Aaron
Apr 9, 2013, 04:12 PM
Here we go again.:)
http://f.cl.ly/items/0E1z29390o0t3I0K3N2C/Screen%20Shot%202013-04-09%20at%204.11.39%20PM.png

Nomax2000
Apr 9, 2013, 04:20 PM
What is the Nvidia Driver Version?

D-a-a-n
Apr 9, 2013, 04:22 PM
Skipped 10.8.x totally, still waiting for 10.9 :D

Mike MA
Apr 9, 2013, 04:25 PM
Let's start counting the builds...

Peace
Apr 9, 2013, 04:31 PM
I remember that you get the betas. Do give feedback before you crush me lol

What is the Nvidia Driver Version?

Same as the last beta.

milo
Apr 9, 2013, 04:34 PM
I find it strange that although the release notes clearly tells developers to focus on Safari, it still has the same build as 10.8.3; Version 6.0.3 (8536.28.10).

Possible that there are updates to shared libraries used by Safari.

petsounds
Apr 9, 2013, 04:44 PM
Why is that every build of 10.8.x requests wi-fi testing? Do any of you still have wi-fi issues? Why are their drivers in such bad shape that they need constant improvement?

Let me guess, 10.8.4 will still not fix the mdworker bugs.

daneoni
Apr 9, 2013, 04:45 PM
I find it strange that although the release notes clearly tells developers to focus on Safari, it still has the same build as 10.8.3; Version 6.0.3 (8536.28.10).

Probably updated Webkit rather than the actual app.

Peace
Apr 9, 2013, 04:46 PM
Why is that every build of 10.8.x requests wi-fi testing? Do any of you still have wi-fi issues? Why are their drivers in such bad shape that they need constant improvement?

Let me guess, 10.8.4 will still not fix the mdworker bugs.

There is an enterprise level bug in the WiFi.

moderngamenewb
Apr 9, 2013, 04:48 PM
Is Safari snappier?

gibbz
Apr 9, 2013, 04:51 PM
I hope this fixes the frequent kernel panic on my 2009 Mac Pro with dual NVIDIA GT 120s, as many note here (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4278087?start=0&tstart=0).

John.B
Apr 9, 2013, 05:05 PM
Can anyone check if disk utility is still build 444? Thanks?

Sound214
Apr 9, 2013, 05:08 PM
Can anyone check if disk utility still build 444? Thanks?

Disk Utility is now: Version 13 (450)

sundragon
Apr 9, 2013, 05:37 PM
I find it strange that although the release notes clearly tells developers to focus on Safari, it still has the same build as 10.8.3; Version 6.0.3 (8536.28.10).

It could be the interaction of Safari with the new graphics drivers or wifi stack :D

I'm hoping that we only have a few builds to download before this goes gold...

EDIT: The UI seems a bit snappier, I just downloaded and I'm working through a few apps. It's noticeable on my 2012 MBA 13"

RoelJuun
Apr 9, 2013, 06:00 PM
Here we go again.:)
Image (http://f.cl.ly/items/0E1z29390o0t3I0K3N2C/Screen%20Shot%202013-04-09%20at%204.11.39%20PM.png)

You could use a decent internet connection so I see.

Casiotone
Apr 9, 2013, 08:46 PM
Is Safari snappier?

Only on the PowerBook G5.

thomaskc
Apr 9, 2013, 09:37 PM
What is the Nvidia Driver Version?

GPU Driver Version: 8.12.39 310.20.00a11

310.20.xxx so very close to the first build of 10.8.4 very much as expected.

The graphics driver version won't really change until 10.8.5 or 10.9 and it was the same thing with 10.8.2 and 10.8.3 so there you go.

unlogic
Apr 9, 2013, 09:43 PM
GPU Driver Version: 8.12.39 310.20.00a11

310.20.xxx so very close to the first build of 10.8.4 very much as expected.

The graphics driver version won't really change until 10.8.5 or 10.9 and it was the same thing with 10.8.2 and 10.8.3 so there you go.
Could you teach me how to check the graphic driver version? I'm still new to OS X.

buysp
Apr 9, 2013, 09:53 PM
Calculator is snappier.

Good to know :D

MrNomNoms
Apr 9, 2013, 10:09 PM
Could you teach me how to check the graphic driver version? I'm still new to OS X.

If you go into 'System Information' and then click on 'Extensions' - scroll down to GeForce and click on it. On 10.8.3 the 'GetInfoString' is:

GeForce 8.10.44 304.10.65f03

Hungry&Foolish
Apr 9, 2013, 10:12 PM
New Mac's coming with 802.11ac support.
http://9to5mac.com/2013/04/09/os-x-10-8-4-code-confirms-new-macs-incoming-with-super-fast-802-11ac-gigabit-wireless-support/

John.B
Apr 9, 2013, 10:16 PM
Disk Utility is now: Version 13 (450)

Thank you, Sound214! :cool:

tdtran1025
Apr 9, 2013, 11:17 PM
Why is that every build of 10.8.x requests wi-fi testing? Do any of you still have wi-fi issues? Why are their drivers in such bad shape that they need constant improvement?

Let me guess, 10.8.4 will still not fix the mdworker bugs.

New Gigabit WiFi chipset from Broadcom. New graphics families from both AMD and NVidia.

thomaskc
Apr 9, 2013, 11:47 PM
Could you teach me how to check the graphic driver version? I'm still new to OS X.

Easiest way I have found is to go to "system preferences/CUDA" and there it will list your CUDA version but also your Nvidia driver version below.

If you do not have cuda installed (you should) just google "nvidia CUDA mac" and you should find the latest ver 5 easily.

koen
Apr 10, 2013, 05:38 AM
I hope this fixes the frequent kernel panic on my 2009 Mac Pro with dual NVIDIA GT 120s, as many note here (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4278087?start=0&tstart=0).

Did you tell Apple about it?

Sound214
Apr 10, 2013, 07:10 AM
Thank you, Sound214! :cool:

No problem! Why'd you ask, though?

unlogic
Apr 10, 2013, 07:22 AM
If you go into 'System Information' and then click on 'Extensions' - scroll down to GeForce and click on it. On 10.8.3 the 'GetInfoString' is:

GeForce 8.10.44 304.10.65f03

Easiest way I have found is to go to "system preferences/CUDA" and there it will list your CUDA version but also your Nvidia driver version below.

If you do not have cuda installed (you should) just google "nvidia CUDA mac" and you should find the latest ver 5 easily.

Thanks! :apple:
I wonder installing CUDA will improve OpenGL performance (in games)?
FYI I don't have any applications that use CUDA.

Mr. Wonderful
Apr 10, 2013, 07:32 AM
I wonder if it'll be this update or the next one that includes the new HD4000 drivers that bring ~10% better performance and OpenCL 1.2 support. I'm sure every bit will help those with Retina screens.

thomaskc
Apr 10, 2013, 07:54 AM
Thanks! :apple:
I wonder installing CUDA will improve OpenGL performance (in games)?
FYI I don't have any applications that use CUDA.

No Cuda does not affect your games. Cuda is used for applications like After Effects and Premiere that uses cuda to accelerate certain actions.

MrNomNoms
Apr 10, 2013, 07:57 AM
Thanks! :apple:
I wonder installing CUDA will improve OpenGL performance (in games)?
FYI I don't have any applications that use CUDA.

Nope, won't help OpenGL performance as Apple provide the OpenGL stack and the drivers hook into the OpenGL stack in very much the same way where Microsoft provides the DirectX stack and vendors provide the driver - the benefit at least in theory is consistent delivery of OpenGL rather than patchy delivery based on each vendor delivering their own custom OpenGL library. With that being said the benefit with Apple doing it means that hardware that can use OpenGL 3.2 is supported that nVidia have neglected - nVidia 9400 being the best example of hardware able to support newer OpenGL but nVidia not providing support for it. As for CUDA, it is of only any benefit if the specific application takes advantage of it - hopefully as OpenCL becomes more ubiquitous that hopefully people will move away from proprietary solutions such as CUDA.

BlaqkAudio
Apr 10, 2013, 09:46 AM
Can anyone tell me if Finder was updated or if it's still at 10.8.2?

MrNomNoms
Apr 10, 2013, 09:53 AM
I wonder if it'll be this update or the next one that includes the new HD4000 drivers that bring ~10% better performance and OpenCL 1.2 support. I'm sure every bit will help those with Retina screens.

HD4000 already has OpenCL 1.2 support:

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=407202&stc=1&d=1365605599

gibbz
Apr 10, 2013, 10:01 AM
Did you tell Apple about it?

Yes, ever since 10.8.0. Bug reports have been filed, yet no improvement. The thread I linked (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4278087?start=0&tstart=0) to dates back to September 2012. The problem appears to be related to setups that use dual NVIDIA GT 120 video cards. It's annoying because it is the card that shipped with the Mac Pro.

milo
Apr 10, 2013, 10:08 AM
can anyone tell me if finder was updated or if it's still at 10.8.2?

10.8.3

John.B
Apr 10, 2013, 10:25 AM
No problem! Why'd you ask, though?

Still some minor weirdness in Disk Utility build 444 in 10.8.3 when setting up a new Fusion Drive on an older mini, where two (identical) HDs show up when booting up with the option key. Not a big deal, either HD boots correctly, but it doesn't happen with the native Fusion drive equipped Macs.

Example (one of many): http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=17107398&postcount=485

mag01
Apr 10, 2013, 10:44 AM
HD4000 already has OpenCL 1.2 support: ...

Well, this shows something different:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=17105447&postcount=26

Can you run the following code to verify that you can really access the OpenCL capabilities of the HD4000 device?
http://dhruba.name/2012/08/14/opencl-cookbook-listing-all-devices-and-their-critical-attributes/

TheTissot11
Apr 10, 2013, 11:34 AM
HD4000 already has OpenCL 1.2 support:

Image (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=407202&stc=1&d=1365605599)

Does it mean that only on rMBP, HD 4000 is not counted as OpenCL/GL enabled device? I have rMBP and I can confirm that OpenGL Extension Viewer 4.0 doesn't show Intel HD4000 device in the list....

krogalon
Apr 10, 2013, 11:39 AM
Does it mean that only on rMBP, HD 4000 is not counted as OpenCL/GL enabled device? I have rMBP and I can confirm that OpenGL Extension Viewer 4.0 doesn't show Intel HD4000 device in the list....

No, OpenCL is not supported on the 2012 mac mini either on 10.8.3.

TheTissot11
Apr 10, 2013, 12:53 PM
No, OpenCL is not supported on the 2012 mac mini either on 10.8.3.

Any thought, what is the reason? Besides I find it suspicious the claim of MrNomNom as Intel has last week released drivers for HD4000 to support OpenCL 1.2. Then how could HD4000 in the previous post seems to have OpenCL support in December 2012? I think Intel had released new drivers for HD4000 in Sept. 2012, but then it was only supporting OpenCL 1.1...

lcmazza
Apr 10, 2013, 01:21 PM
Do not install this beta if you run Adobe's CS6... Premiere Pro causes a kernel panic. :(

Risco
Apr 10, 2013, 01:29 PM
What version is Safari and the App Store?

tywebb13
Apr 10, 2013, 03:52 PM
Do not install this beta if you run Adobe's CS6... Premiere Pro causes a kernel panic. :(

I've installed it.

I don't use the full CS6. But I do use Adobe Acrobat. Will that cause a kernel panic?

lcmazza
Apr 10, 2013, 04:04 PM
I've installed it.

I don't use the full CS6. But I do use Adobe Acrobat. Will that cause a kernel panic?

I don't know, but I don't think so, as this is probably related to NVIDIA's graphics cards that use CUDA.

krogalon
Apr 10, 2013, 04:32 PM
Any thought, what is the reason? Besides I find it suspicious the claim of MrNomNom as Intel has last week released drivers for HD4000 to support OpenCL 1.2. Then how could HD4000 in the previous post seems to have OpenCL support in December 2012? I think Intel had released new drivers for HD4000 in Sept. 2012, but then it was only supporting OpenCL 1.1...

Probably it hasn't been a priority to implement it, for whatever reason. It is implemented in the Windows drivers, however, see for example here:
http://www.geeks3d.com/20120427/intel-ivy-bridge-hd-graphics-4000-gpu-opengl-and-opencl-tests/3/ .

When I compile and run this example http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7892955/how-can-i-test-for-opencl-compability

, I get

Device Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3615QM CPU @ 2.30GHz supports OpenCL 1.2 .

As I understand it, if the _GPU_ supported OpenCL on MacOS, there would be a second line. The device that is shown to be OpenCL 1.2 compatible here is the _CPU_ device. This could explain the screenshot posted by MrNomNom. I'm guessing here, but I'm quite sure I'm right ;-)

mortenwold
Apr 10, 2013, 04:37 PM
What version is Safari and the App Store?

Safari 6.0.3 (build 8536.28.10)
App Store 1.2.2 (build 129.13)

Risco
Apr 10, 2013, 04:57 PM
Safari 6.0.3 (build 8536.28.10)
App Store 1.2.2 (build 129.13)

Cheers, same as 10.8.3 then.

Krazy Bill
Apr 10, 2013, 06:52 PM
Does the damn thing shut down in under a day now? If they do fix this I'm not sure what I'm going to do; I've gotten used to just taking my shower while OSX reboots into Windows. :eek:

w0lf
Apr 10, 2013, 07:03 PM
Does the damn thing shut down in under a day now? If they do fix this I'm not sure what I'm going to do; I've gotten used to just taking my shower while OSX reboots into Windows. :eek:

I still get com.apple.coreservices.appleevents timeout but is it really that big of an issue for you? I understand it's a problem and getting it fixed would indeed be nice but all you have to do is change the timeout durration to something that you find reasonable and boom, you have a 5 second or less shutdown. If there wasn't such a simple user fix for the slow shutdown it might be a little more serious of a problem.

robert05au
Apr 10, 2013, 07:25 PM
I saw this on another site regarding slow shutdowns. This seems to help some there maybe worth a try.

Anyway, I found a trick that helped me:

Shut down with Reopen windows when logging back in CHECKED.
Turn the computer back on.
Shut down with Reopen windows when logging back in UNCHECKED.

This returned the Mac to an almost instantaneous shutdown.

:)

1erCru73
Apr 10, 2013, 08:24 PM
I saw this on another site regarding slow shutdowns. This seems to help some there maybe worth a try.

Anyway, I found a trick that helped me:

Shut down with Reopen windows when logging back in CHECKED.
Turn the computer back on.
Shut down with Reopen windows when logging back in UNCHECKED.

This returned the Mac to an almost instantaneous shutdown.

:)

Tried on my 2011 MBP (i7/16GB/SSD) and no real noticeable difference for me...but glad this worked for you. Ever since upgrading to ML (clean install) system takes ~20 seconds to shutdown whereas on Lion it was very quick (~5 seconds).

I was at the genius bar last week to investigate TB display startup issue and they noted shutdown seemed slow but not unexpected with spinning media. Once I informed them it was SSD they agreed it was a problem. FWIW - they admitted they had not yet upgraded to ML given some of the issues they are still seeing.

Nothing to lose sleep over but would eventually like to see it fixed

thomaskc
Apr 11, 2013, 01:27 AM
Tried on my 2011 MBP (i7/16GB/SSD) and no real noticeable difference for me...but glad this worked for you. Ever since upgrading to ML (clean install) system takes ~20 seconds to shutdown whereas on Lion it was very quick (~5 seconds).

I was at the genius bar last week to investigate TB display startup issue and they noted shutdown seemed slow but not unexpected with spinning media. Once I informed them it was SSD they agreed it was a problem. FWIW - they admitted they had not yet upgraded to ML given some of the issues they are still seeing.

Nothing to lose sleep over but would eventually like to see it fixed

If there was a way to take out and install the updated nvidia drivers from the ML 10.8.4 builds and force install them on Lion, then that would be a great solution for now! But I have yet to see that working? though I haven't actually searched for the drivers myself yet, as I just run the latest build.

But would it be possible?

Mr. Retrofire
Apr 11, 2013, 01:38 AM
Still some minor weirdness in Disk Utility build 444 in 10.8.3 when setting up a new Fusion Drive on an older mini, where two (identical) HDs show up when booting up with the option key. Not a big deal, either HD boots correctly, but it doesn't happen with the native Fusion drive equipped Macs.
This sounds like a bug in the EFI, not in OS X.

MrNomNoms
Apr 11, 2013, 05:39 AM
Probably it hasn't been a priority to implement it, for whatever reason. It is implemented in the Windows drivers, however, see for example here:
http://www.geeks3d.com/20120427/intel-ivy-bridge-hd-graphics-4000-gpu-opengl-and-opencl-tests/3/ .

When I compile and run this example http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7892955/how-can-i-test-for-opencl-compability

, I get

Device Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3615QM CPU @ 2.30GHz supports OpenCL 1.2 .

As I understand it, if the _GPU_ supported OpenCL on MacOS, there would be a second line. The device that is shown to be OpenCL 1.2 compatible here is the _CPU_ device. This could explain the screenshot posted by MrNomNom. I'm guessing here, but I'm quite sure I'm right ;-)

That is the most likely explanation - I have a feeling that OpenCL sitting on top of AVX is probably faster than it sitting on top of HD4000. Maybe that is the reason why OpenCL 1.2 GPU support hasn't been added or maybe it is something that requires more testing hence going to be held off till 10.9.

TheTissot11
Apr 11, 2013, 08:27 AM
That is the most likely explanation - I have a feeling that OpenCL sitting on top of AVX is probably faster than it sitting on top of HD4000. Maybe that is the reason why OpenCL 1.2 GPU support hasn't been added or maybe it is something that requires more testing hence going to be held off till 10.9.

But it doesn't explain the snapshot you posted which clearly showed Intel HD4000 listed as a OpenCL 1.2 capable device in December 2012? I have OpenGL extension viewer 4.0 on my rMBP and I can't have the same snapshot generated by it...

MrNomNoms
Apr 11, 2013, 08:36 AM
But it doesn't explain the snapshot you posted which clearly showed Intel HD4000 listed as a OpenCL 1.2 capable device in December 2012? I have OpenGL extension viewer 4.0 on my rMBP and I can't have the same snapshot generated by it...

Good point - I wonder why, Apple dedicating the whole GPU to the display given the amount of work that is required for it to do?

Mike MA
Apr 11, 2013, 10:19 AM
Does the damn thing shut down in under a day now? If they do fix this I'm not sure what I'm going to do; I've gotten used to just taking my shower while OSX reboots into Windows. :eek:

How will you know - or haven't you tried the alleged fix provided by razmarino yet?

It worked for me so far, but now of course I won't see any difference with 10.8.4 - but I doubt Apple will focus on that after all these month...

Krazy Bill
Apr 11, 2013, 10:38 AM
How will you know - or haven't you tried the alleged fix provided by razmarino yet?I use the fix (and actually posted it a long time ago in another thread).

But you guys are missing the point.

It's the fact this "blatant" in-your-face bug has seemingly escaped Apple's comprehension that bothers me. The coders are either incompetent or saying this bug shouldn't matter. I can't accept either. It's disheartening to see OSX relegated to the basement.

but I doubt Apple will focus on that after all these month...At this point, I fear it's here to stay. No evidence to indicate otherwise.

Mike MA
Apr 11, 2013, 12:22 PM
At this point, I fear it's here to stay. No evidence to indicate otherwise.

I actually think it will be a part of 10.9 - it surely won't be rewritten completely (and as the focus seems to lie on user interface related stuff). And as we have learned the bug wasn't removed so far, so I think it will be passed on as it seems to be some more complicated than we probably know so far.

No Pain No Gain
Apr 11, 2013, 01:18 PM
I use the fix (and actually posted it a long time ago in another thread).

But you guys are missing the point.

It's the fact this "blatant" in-your-face bug has seemingly escaped Apple's comprehension that bothers me. The coders are either incompetent or saying this bug shouldn't matter. I can't accept either. It's disheartening to see OSX relegated to the basement.

At this point, I fear it's here to stay. No evidence to indicate otherwise.

Indeed. Simple shut down or restart should be faster.

20444780 com.apple.launchd 1 com.apple.launchd 1 System: Userspace shutdown finished at: Thu Apr 11 21:19:48 2013
20444786 com.apple.launchd 1 com.apple.launchd 1 System: Userspace shutdown took approximately 20 seconds.

That's just userspace. Whole thing takes about a minute on an SSD latest iMac. PATHETIC.

madhunt3r
Apr 11, 2013, 01:38 PM
Can you check something for me in 10.8.4? What is the webkit version now? Check: http://www.mybrowserinfo.com/ Thanks a lot :)

No Pain No Gain
Apr 11, 2013, 01:40 PM
Can you check something for me in 10.8.4? What is the webkit version now? Check: http://www.mybrowserinfo.com/ Thanks a lot :)

Your Browser User Agent String is
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_4) AppleWebKit/536.28.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/6.0.3 Safari/536.28.10

madhunt3r
Apr 11, 2013, 01:42 PM
Your Browser User Agent String is
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_4) AppleWebKit/536.28.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/6.0.3 Safari/536.28.10

Thx! Nothing changed ;/

thomaskc
Apr 11, 2013, 07:24 PM
Thx! Nothing changed ;/

Why don't you just use the webkit nightly if you want updates? I find it for the most part way faster in every day browsing than safari (at least in 10.8.2 - 10.8.3, dont really use safari anymore).

Downside is that for a few hours sometimes you can run into a build that is a bit buggy.

But my point is, if you want your safari constantly updated (literally every couple of hours) then just use the webkit nightly.

russellfko
Apr 11, 2013, 07:35 PM
just updated to 10.8.3. another update to 10.8.4 soon? :( dont feel like to download another 500MB for another update....

thomaskc
Apr 11, 2013, 10:47 PM
just updated to 10.8.3. another update to 10.8.4 soon? :( dont feel like to download another 500MB for another update....

If 500mb ruins your day you should probably just unplug yourself from the Internet. I'm sorry but that is just silly. complaining about a tiny file size for an update you probably shouldn't have access to yet anyway.

If you don't like it, sit back and wait for your app store to pop-up with an update for your OS X.

anyway I expect weekly or fortnightly updates for 10.8.4 as well just like 10.8.3.

russellfko
Apr 12, 2013, 01:34 AM
If 500mb ruins your day you should probably just unplug yourself from the Internet. I'm sorry but that is just silly. complaining about a tiny file size for an update you probably shouldn't have access to yet anyway.

If you don't like it, sit back and wait for your app store to pop-up with an update for your OS X.

anyway I expect weekly or fortnightly updates for 10.8.4 as well just like 10.8.3.

dont get me wrong, I love to use the latest one with some good reason. It's just the area that I am living now has much slower Internet access. no choice.

milo
Apr 12, 2013, 09:13 AM
just updated to 10.8.3. another update to 10.8.4 soon? :( dont feel like to download another 500MB for another update....

If you use delta updaters, you're only downloading what has changed since the last update. So the size is relative to how much they have changed.

We also don't know how soon it's going to be, and when it is released you can wait on updating or skip an update (although it's possible that .4 is the last one before 10.9...also possible that it's not).

ScottishDuck
Apr 13, 2013, 10:00 AM
Late 2011 15" MBP having much more fluid graphics performance for me on the desktop. Not played any games or anything yet.

DMH3006
Apr 14, 2013, 11:50 PM
Memory management seems to be very improved especially on safari.

TheTissot11
Apr 15, 2013, 12:48 AM
Memory management seems to be very improved especially on safari.

This is definitely a great news if true!

RedGeminiPA
Apr 15, 2013, 10:50 AM
This is definitely a great news if true!

Tell me about it! It actually got WORSE with 10.8.3!

I JUST relaunched Safari - 4 blog tabs open and another boring site. Between Safari and WebProcess they're already sucking up over 500MB.

TheTissot11
Apr 16, 2013, 04:13 AM
Tell me about it! It actually got WORSE with 10.8.3!

I JUST relaunched Safari - 4 blog tabs open and another boring site. Between Safari and WebProcess they're already sucking up over 500MB.

For me on 10.8.3, with 5 tabs open including this page, it's already over 600 MB (Safari Web Content and Safari together). I don't know what these ******s Apple engineers are doing as it's has been ages but they can't seem to fix bugs in ML. I also noticed that with Auto Proxy Discovery option enable (I have to have it because of my Institute wants this), my rMBP becomes unresponsive for hours and I have to forcibly reboot the system. This is so ****ing annoying and I'm terribly disappointed that these bugs are still not fixed!

tywebb13
Apr 17, 2013, 03:07 PM
new build 12E33a has been released today.

If you get it from the mas and want to keep the installer then after it downloads from the mas but before installing the update go to /Library/Updates and find the file OSXUpd10.8.4Seed.pkg and copy it somewhere. You have to do this because after updating the installer deletes itself!

Concorde Rules
Apr 18, 2013, 02:59 AM
For me on 10.8.3, with 5 tabs open including this page, it's already over 600 MB (Safari Web Content and Safari together). I don't know what these ******s Apple engineers are doing as it's has been ages but they can't seem to fix bugs in ML. I also noticed that with Auto Proxy Discovery option enable (I have to have it because of my Institute wants this), my rMBP becomes unresponsive for hours and I have to forcibly reboot the system. This is so ****ing annoying and I'm terribly disappointed that these bugs are still not fixed!

Dear god, 600MB!

What IS the world coming to.

PS: Just because your on a white page does not mean it should be using next to no memory.

Don't think I've ever complained about so called 'memory leaks'.