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VFC
Apr 11, 2013, 08:37 AM
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=23610



jrswizzle
Apr 11, 2013, 08:43 AM
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=23610

"This goes beyond simple functions like making phone calls and running applications; users can focus on themselves and loved ones, with the GALAXY S4 working with them to strip away the complications of life."

Lol.....

Satori
Apr 11, 2013, 08:58 AM
A humidity sensor? ... For an object that many people will keep in their pocket most of the time...

Genius!

quasinormal
Apr 11, 2013, 09:02 AM
"This goes beyond simple functions like making phone calls and running applications, users can focus on themselves and loved ones, with the GALAXY S4 working with them to strip away the complications of life."

Lol.....

I'm always finding technology an impediment to my narcissism.

What sort of half arsed shill thread is this? Do you actually have a point OP, other than some free advertising for Samsung?

That said, I could really use temperature barometric and humid sensors on my iOS device.

jamojamo
Apr 11, 2013, 01:01 PM
Wow, Samsung Marketing worked overtime.... from the same link.

"The S Health function of the GALAXY S4 enables the smartphone to work with the user, providing an all-in-one companion that offers nothing but positive support. Below are just some of the features that aid users."

User: clicks health after lunch - how did I do today
SHealth: "You know, that double bacon cheeseburger you ate was actually good for you since you didn't get extra bacon today. Lookin' good"!!

skratch77
Apr 11, 2013, 01:28 PM
A humidity sensor? ... For an object that many people will keep in their pocket most of the time...

Genius!

I will use the baro and humidity sensor all the time and awalys hate going on weather.com to find that info when I'm tracking my car and need to know the pressure in the air to adjust my tuning.

But I guess its just a gimmick to you :)

Assault
Apr 11, 2013, 02:52 PM
A humidity sensor? ... For an object that many people will keep in their pocket most of the time...

Genius!
Well, I'm not surprised at this sort of response, especially on an Apple forum.

Here are a few thoughts to ponder.

1. The 9 sensors do not work independently. You do realize that the proximty sensor is used for all sorts of things with the Galaxy, to include increasing ringtones, ensuring the screen stays off when its in your pocket and in the case of humidity, it would just shut that sensor off. Very simple.

2. The use of all the sensors, especially weather related sensors, are likely to be used in a crowdsourcing feature. Currently, we depend on just a few weather receivers throughout the world to give us accurate weather. Imagine hundreds of millions of weather stations sending out constant updates to the weather in your local area! Talk about very accurate weather information. And I imagine Google will be getting in on this as well, so that when you look at Google maps, you will now not only have traffic information, but also weather info for anywhere you are going.

3. Thanks to the size of the Galaxy S series, HTC One, and the other Android phones with screen above 4.5", the space for more sensors is available. This benefits all of us using Android.

jrswizzle
Apr 11, 2013, 03:01 PM
Well, I'm not surprised at this sort of response, especially on an Apple forum.

Here are a few thoughts to ponder.

1. The 9 sensors do not work independently. You do realize that the proximty sensor is used for all sorts of things with the Galaxy, to include increasing ringtones, ensuring the screen stays off when its in your pocket and in the case of humidity, it would just shut that sensor off. Very simple.

2. The use of all the sensors, especially weather related sensors, are likely to be used in a crowdsourcing feature. Currently, we depend on just a few weather receivers throughout the world to give us accurate weather. Imagine hundreds of millions of weather stations sending out constant updates to the weather in your local area! Talk about very accurate weather information. And I imagine Google will be getting in on this as well, so that when you look at Google maps, you will now not only have traffic information, but also weather info for anywhere you are going.

3. Thanks to the size of the Galaxy S series, HTC One, and the other Android phones with screen above 4.5", the space for more sensors is available. This benefits all of us using Android.

As far as the weather goes, I have a few reservations....

(1) How accurate will this sensor ACTUALLY be - even in optimal conditions?

(2) With the phone in one's pocket or purse most of the time, how often will the phone actually COLLECT temperature data (for example)? Obviously, taking a reading from inside a purse or, worse in a pocket in close proximity with your body, would not be very accurate.

As I've always said about all these Samsung features - for the few who use each one, great for you. In general, however, Samsung's goal is to have the longest "list" so they can tout having more "features" than anyone else. That is their marketing strategy, which by all accounts, is working like a charm.

I personally don't buy it, and even am not a fan of it (especially when, even with the long list, you have to purposefully leave out features on your competitors in a comparison), but I recognize there are people who like the phone even with some of those features being worthless to him/her. There are also people who will use most/all of those features.

More power to him/her.

Dave.UK
Apr 11, 2013, 03:02 PM
A humidity sensor? ... For an object that many people will keep in their pocket most of the time...

Genius!

At least the iPhone 5S will come in a variety of colours.

That will be exciting.

dojoman
Apr 11, 2013, 03:19 PM
At least the iPhone 5S will come in a variety of colours.

That will be exciting.

This was just a rumor.

AppleDeviceUser
Apr 11, 2013, 03:23 PM
Umm, OK? Who cares! I'd take a Blackberry Z10 or an iPhone 5 over a S4 any day.

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Well, I'm not surprised at this sort of response, especially on an Apple forum.

Here are a few thoughts to ponder.


2. The use of all the sensors, especially weather related sensors, are likely to be used in a crowdsourcing feature. Currently, we depend on just a few weather receivers throughout the world to give us accurate weather. Imagine hundreds of millions of weather stations sending out constant updates to the weather in your local area! Talk about very accurate weather information. And I imagine Google will be getting in on this as well, so that when you look at Google maps, you will now not only have traffic information, but also weather info for anywhere you are going.


So you think it will take "weather" readings from peoples pockets/purses? That will be accurate :rolleyes:
Plus not to mention the privacy concerns millions of people will have.

Satori
Apr 11, 2013, 03:33 PM
Well, I'm not surprised at this sort of response, especially on an Apple forum.

At least the iPhone 5S will come in a variety of colours.

That will be exciting.

TBF, I would have poked fun at this feature if they put it into an iPhone or any other device. I don't need to know the temperature, much less the humidity, of my thigh or backside!

Having said that, I'm very happy that there's an option out there for people who do have a use for these sensors.

The use of all the sensors, especially weather related sensors, are likely to be used in a crowdsourcing feature.

Nice idea. But, this only works for weather if the information is being sourced at the appropriate locations (i.e. outdoors and out of pockets/bags). Also can the relevant sensors adjust quickly enough to provide reliable info and ignore (or compensate for) temperature variations arising from the phone's operation?

Thanks to the size of the Galaxy S series, HTC One, and the other Android phones with screen above 4.5", the space for more sensors is available. This benefits all of us using Android.

Good point - hadn't thought of that. I prefer smaller sized phones for the pocketability of them. But if you like the larger sizes, there are benefits beyond screen real estate.

Tinmania
Apr 11, 2013, 03:33 PM
As far as the weather goes, I have a few reservations....

(1) How accurate will this sensor ACTUALLY be - even in optimal conditions?
I have compared the barometer reading from my Note 2 to nearby stations on wunderground.com and it didn't vary more than the other stations did. Which is to say, very little.

(2) With the phone in one's pocket or purse most of the time, how often will the phone actually COLLECT temperature data (for example)? Obviously, taking a reading from inside a purse or, worse in a pocket in close proximity with your body, would not be very accurate.
They won't be used like that. I only use the barometer when I use an app that can use it--or the GPS for a faster lock. I don't have much use for the barometer, outside of the GPS lock thing, but would use the temperature/humidify sensor for sure.

Samsung is also saying these sensors use very little power.

I don't see the crowd-sourcing thing happening. Too many people would be indoors so you would really only have barometric pressure as humidity and temperature would be climate-controlled.



Michael

adder7712
Apr 11, 2013, 05:12 PM
I'm a bit of meteorology nut and the sensors are a welcomed addition for the likes of me. :)

The problem is, wish I could afford an S4.

LIVEFRMNYC
Apr 11, 2013, 05:25 PM
Plus not to mention the privacy concerns millions of people will have.

Privacy concerns? OMG .... I don't want anyone sharing my dew point info. :rolleyes:

MACis122
Apr 11, 2013, 05:48 PM
Good point - hadn't thought of that. I prefer smaller sized phones for the pocketability of them. But if you like the larger sizes, there are benefits beyond screen real estate.

Which phone can't you put in your pocket and what are you wearing? I wear slim jeans and can still put my Note 2 in my pockets no problem

MacRumorUser
Apr 11, 2013, 05:53 PM
A humidity sensor? ... For an object that many people will keep in their pocket most of the time...

Genius!

" Warning... You have sweaty balls!!!! ". The humidity notifications are going to bring nightmares :D

Satori
Apr 11, 2013, 05:53 PM
Which phone can't you put in your pocket and what are you wearing? I wear slim jeans and can still put my Note 2 in my pockets no problem

For me, it is still more comfortable and less visible with a smaller phone. Just my preference and it has nothing to do with the manufacturer or os (I have tried and liked many).

tech4all
Apr 11, 2013, 06:00 PM
Umm, OK? Who cares! I'd take a Blackberry Z10 or an iPhone 5 over a S4 any day.


Good for you...

At least the iPhone 5S will come in a variety of colours.

That will be exciting.

As said that is not confirmed, so don't treat that as a fact. Although I think it's likely as the iPhone seems to be following a similar direction that the iPod did. iPod got a cheaper version and it came in colors.

I have a feeling if it were the other way around, S4 getting colors and the iPhone with the sensor, you'd be saying, "Who cares about colors, the sensor is more useful." :rolleyes:

Tinmania
Apr 11, 2013, 06:03 PM
I have a feeling if it were the other way around, S4 getting colors and the iPhone with the sensor, you'd be saying, "Who cares about colors, the sensor is more useful." :rolleyes:

I think you missed the sarcasm in his post. :)




Michael

adder7712
Apr 12, 2013, 01:37 AM
Privacy concerns? OMG .... I don't want anyone sharing my dew point info. :rolleyes:

The current areal temperature is private!

0dev
Apr 12, 2013, 04:57 AM
Samsung's marketing for this thing really is ridiculous. I watched this video where they literally claimed this phone would improve the quality of your relationships :rolleyes:

MacRumorUser
Apr 12, 2013, 06:14 AM
Samsung's marketing for this thing really is ridiculous. I watched this video where they literally claimed this phone would improve the quality of your relationships :rolleyes:

Thats because one of the 9 sensors finds the G-Spot :D Soon to be re-branded by samsung as the S-Spot :)

daveathall
Apr 12, 2013, 06:42 AM
Thats because one of the 9 sensors finds the G-Spot :D Soon to be re-branded by samsung as the S-Spot :)

And sued because it functions similar to the iSpot. Hopefully it will be in settings where I can, at last, find it. :D

MacRumorUser
Apr 12, 2013, 08:25 AM
And sued because it functions similar to the iSpot. Hopefully it will be in settings where I can, at last, find it. :D

bazzinga!!! :D :D

TheHateMachine
Apr 12, 2013, 09:01 AM
" Warning... You have sweaty balls!!!! ". The humidity notifications are going to bring nightmares :D

You know, they make a product for that...

www.FreshBalls.com

AppleDeviceUser
Apr 12, 2013, 11:55 AM
Privacy concerns? OMG .... I don't want anyone sharing my dew point info. :rolleyes:

Yeah, no need to be sarcastic. If they are allowed to access weather data then obviously they would have to access location data, and why would anyone want to location of their device being sent 24/7 to Google?

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The current areal temperature is private!
Yeah, no need to be sarcastic. If they are allowed to access weather data then obviously they would have to access location data, and why would anyone want to location of their device being sent 24/7 to Google?

AppleDeviceUser
Apr 12, 2013, 12:08 PM
Good for you...

Here's why


iPhone
-Hardware Made by = Apple
-Software Made by = Apple

Z10
-Hardware Made by = BlackBerry
-Software Made by = BlackBerry

S4
-Hardware Made by = Samsung
-Software Made by = Google

How does that last one make any sense?

That is why I don't like Windows either, software and hardware made by different companies. How are you supposed to innovate when two different companies area making it?

Assault
Apr 12, 2013, 02:32 PM
Here's why


iPhone
-Hardware Made by = Apple
-Software Made by = Apple

Z10
-Hardware Made by = BlackBerry
-Software Made by = BlackBerry

S4
-Hardware Made by = Samsung
-Software Made by = Google

How does that last one make any sense?

That is why I don't like Windows either, software and hardware made by different companies. How are you supposed to innovate when two different companies area making it?
Considering both Apple and RIM haven't innovated a single thing in the last few years, nor do either have significant worldwide market share, it would appear the last one makes more sense.
Ironically, Microsoft and PC makers have differing software and hardware, yet that combination dwarfs Macs, Ubuntu and Linux machines, combined!
You don't have to make both hardware and software for your devices to be successful. You just need to be able to integrate the two effectively. Samsung has done that.
Oh, and before you give the normal drivel about Apple making a premium $ on the poor souls that buy into the hype, here is a stat that is gonna make Apple very jealous. The S4 is gonna bring Samsung a 60% profit per S4 sold (those that use the octacore chip). Those with Qualcomm will give them slightly less, but still more than what Apple gets per iPhone. There is a very nice article in Forbes.com today talking about this and why Samsung is beating Apple at its own game.

jrswizzle
Apr 12, 2013, 02:36 PM
Considering both Apple and RIM haven't innovated a single thing in the last few years, nor do either have significant worldwide market share, it would appear the last one makes more sense.
Ironically, Microsoft and PC makers have differing software and hardware, yet that combination dwarfs Macs, Ubuntu and Linux machines, combined!
You don't have to make both hardware and software for your devices to be successful. You just need to be able to integrate the two effectively. Samsung has done that.
Oh, and before you give the normal drivel about Apple making a premium $ on the poor souls that buy into the hype, here is a stat that is gonna make Apple very jealous. The S4 is gonna bring Samsung a 60% profit per S4 sold (those that use the octacore chip). Those with Qualcomm will give them slightly less, but still more than what Apple gets per iPhone. There is a very nice article in Forbes.com today talking about this and why Samsung is beating Apple at its own game.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/04/02/smartphone_profit_shares_apple_and_samsung_have_the_whole_pie.html

Samsung has some work to do......

Also:

http://bgr.com/2013/04/05/samsung-galaxy-s4-sales-estimates-414846/

So the GS4's profit margin estimates will be 2% LOWER than the GS3.....and Apple was already spanking them in profit margins.

And again: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/01/25/apples-iphone-grew-to-251-global-market-share-in-2012

Apple is doing just fine - and will likely continue to put out the most sold smartphone each year. You can continue to call all those people "sheep" but I'd suggest looking in the mirror.....Samsung's gots its own little herd forming.

Personally, I've got my iP5 (love it), my Nexus 4 (love it) and really looking forward to the HTC One. It's good to have options!

Assault
Apr 12, 2013, 02:56 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/04/02/smartphone_profit_shares_apple_and_samsung_have_the_whole_pie.html

Samsung has some work to do......

Also:

http://bgr.com/2013/04/05/samsung-galaxy-s4-sales-estimates-414846/

So the GS4's profit margin estimates will be 2% LOWER than the GS3.....and Apple was already spanking them in profit margins.

I concur and so did Samsung. The S4 will be their first product (I believe anyway) that will bring them in significant $$$$ per device sold. Up until now, I don't know if they got much more than ⅓ per device. It will be interesting to see how much profit share they bring in the quarter following the release of the S4?

By the way, profit share ≠ shareholder profit, as you can see from the hit in stock price Apple has taken. As a stock owner, I would be pissed if I lost 40% of a $100,000+ investment portfolio.

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/04/02/smartphone_profit_shares_apple_and_samsung_have_the_whole_pie.html

Samsung has some work to do......

Also:

http://bgr.com/2013/04/05/samsung-galaxy-s4-sales-estimates-414846/

So the GS4's profit margin estimates will be 2% LOWER than the GS3.....and Apple was already spanking them in profit margins.

And again: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/01/25/apples-iphone-grew-to-251-global-market-share-in-2012

Apple is doing just fine - and will likely continue to put out the most sold smartphone each year. You can continue to call all those people "sheep" but I'd suggest looking in the mirror.....Samsung's gots its own little herd forming.

Personally, I've got my iP5 (love it), my Nexus 4 (love it) and really looking forward to the HTC One. It's good to have options!

I never used the word sheep, or iFan, or whatever word you want to use!

And you may believe Apple is doing fine, and should stay the course, but then why did they put out a cheap iPad? Why are they making a cheap, plastic iPhone? Why did they pull Google products off the app store, then cower in humiliation when their software sucked so bad, they were forced to add Google products back? Why fire several of your department heads, that were continuing to regurgitate the same crap, year after year?

Apple isn't doing fine. They know it and they are trying to right the ship.

P.S. Here is the article in Forbes: forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2013/04/12/these-3-game-changers-define-the-apple-vs-samsung-battle/
Excerpt from article
Samsung will retain over 60% of the value in the S4 phone because it is so vertically integrated. Apple is also integrated but through its ecosystem and OS rather than through component production.

VFC
Apr 12, 2013, 03:04 PM
Prediction that Android tablets will outsell iOS tablets this year.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mobile-computing/tablets/-the-tide-is-turning-between-apple-and-android-tablets-research-shows-1144314

adnbek
Apr 12, 2013, 03:08 PM
Considering both Apple and RIM haven't innovated a single thing in the last few years, nor do either have significant worldwide market share, it would appear the last one makes more sense.
Ironically, Microsoft and PC makers have differing software and hardware, yet that combination dwarfs Macs, Ubuntu and Linux machines, combined!
You don't have to make both hardware and software for your devices to be successful. You just need to be able to integrate the two effectively. Samsung has done that.
Oh, and before you give the normal drivel about Apple making a premium $ on the poor souls that buy into the hype, here is a stat that is gonna make Apple very jealous. The S4 is gonna bring Samsung a 60% profit per S4 sold (those that use the octacore chip). Those with Qualcomm will give them slightly less, but still more than what Apple gets per iPhone. There is a very nice article in Forbes.com today talking about this and why Samsung is beating Apple at its own game.

LOL, you're so off-base it's not funny. Market share means nothing. You mention yourself the PC industry and how Macs hold a tiny market share. Did you know that they lead the industry in terms of profit? The 90% almost went broke competing on razor thin margins to the point they weren't breaking even anymore. Apple was the only PC company making a decent profit.

In market share, yes Samsung has a lead. Want to know why? Because of this (http://www.phonearena.com/phones/manufacturers/Samsung). Most of these bring in very little profit. Only their premium phones (S3, S4, Note 2, etc.) do and those are but a tiny fraction of their overall sales. As with PCs, in profit terms, Apple still leads by a very wide margin.

In the Android space, I'm personally rooting for HTC. The new One is just fantastic. Hopefully they will succeed at being noticed because the phone is by far the best Android phone I've seen. Much better than the junk Samsung puts out IMO.

sentinelsx
Apr 12, 2013, 03:22 PM
Yeah, no need to be sarcastic. If they are allowed to access weather data then obviously they would have to access location data, and why would anyone want to location of their device being sent 24/7 to Google?

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Yeah, no need to be sarcastic. If they are allowed to access weather data then obviously they would have to access location data, and why would anyone want to location of their device being sent 24/7 to Google?

Because they are not Apple fanboys?

My iPhone already sent a bazillion bytes to Apple HQ already (found out last month to turn off those sneaky settings in privacy that are ON by default), it already sends that info to my carrier and what not. What do i have to hide from Google that i happily give to my blood sucking carrier and also Apple "the holy" Inc. ?

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Here's why


iPhone
-Hardware Made by = Apple
-Software Made by = Apple

Z10
-Hardware Made by = BlackBerry
-Software Made by = BlackBerry

S4
-Hardware Made by = Samsung
-Software Made by = Google

How does that last one make any sense?

That is why I don't like Windows either, software and hardware made by different companies. How are you supposed to innovate when two different companies area making it?

That means both RIM and Apple make lousy phones. How can they innovate when two different companies are involved in the calling business (my carrier and the phone maker)?

From now on i will demand the best. Rogers better start manufacturing their own cellphones so they can innovate.

jrswizzle
Apr 12, 2013, 03:24 PM
I never used the word sheep, or iFan, or whatever word you want to use!

Sure - the exact wording was along the same lines - essentially we are all duped by Apple into purchasing what they put out.....couldn't possibly be on the merit of the devices themselves?

And you may believe Apple is doing fine, and should stay the course, but then why did they put out a cheap iPad? Why are they making a cheap, plastic iPhone? Why did they pull Google products off the app store, then cower in humiliation when their software sucked so bad, they were forced to add Google products back? Why fire several of your department heads, that were continuing to regurgitate the same crap, year after year?

Let's take this step by step:

(1) Apple doesn't release products on the fly - they release the mini last October, it was likely in production for years before. Overreaction to think a supply chain that large (however streamlined it may be) can create a reactionary product like that.

(2) Apple didn't pull Google apps from their store - simply stopped giving their chief OS competitor iOS user data (by not including such apps by default). There were also other issues regarding control over the maps api and such that Apple wanted and Google wasn't willing to give up. It was the right move for both sides IMO.

(3) How many department heads were fired? Forstall was pushed out yes - there were internal power struggles between two dissenting views on how iOS should progress - the more powerful won out (Ive). Definitely a good thing IMO.

Apple isn't doing fine. They know it and they are trying to right the ship.

They just came off their most profitable/successful quarter ever and one that saw Apple at the top of market share for the first time (Samsung had led every quarter since 2008). They make some changes, and are prepared for another HUGE year - so because their stock price takes hits (based on crazy predictions/sketchy analyst projections) they're doomed?

Laughable.

P.S. Here is the article in Forbes: forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2013/04/12/these-3-game-changers-define-the-apple-vs-samsung-battle/
Excerpt from article

Meh - lots of opinion there.....I prefer numbers/facts. They are:

The iPhone 5 took the top spot in WORLD market share for Q4 last year. Apple is number 2 in the world (and number 1 in the US) despite having a VASTLY smaller product line. Apple currently owns 70+% of smartphone profits and is coming off their most successful quarter ever. They have also sold more than twice as many iPhone (4, 4S and 5) than Samsung has sold of its entire Galaxy line (S, S2, S3, Note, Note 2).

I'll reiterate......Apple is fine. They know what they're doing. You don't luck into $150 billion in cash.....

They are poised to have a massive 2013 with the iWatch, iPhone 5S, retina iPad mini, Mac Pro, Haswell MBA's and possibly a cheaper iPhone and larger iPhone (both of which I believe are coming, though maybe not this year). They are on the brink of offering a much more streamlined product catalog (IMO, moving to a three iPhone lineup without generational monikers would put it in line with the rest of their products while also offering more upgrades each year for consumers).

Personally, I think Apple is in a great place actually - not to say Samsung isn't as well. But 2013 won't be the year Apple tanks - it will be the year Apple reiterates they are a force in the technology world.

AppleDeviceUser
Apr 12, 2013, 06:38 PM
Because they are not Apple fanboys?

My iPhone already sent a bazillion bytes to Apple HQ already (found out last month to turn off those sneaky settings in privacy that are ON by default), it already sends that info to my carrier and what not. What do i have to hide from Google that i happily give to my blood sucking carrier and also Apple "the holy" Inc. ?

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That means both RIM and Apple make lousy phones. How can they innovate when two different companies are involved in the calling business (my carrier and the phone maker)?

From now on i will demand the best. Rogers better start manufacturing their own cellphones so they can innovate.

No it doesn't, how does a carrier change anything?

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Considering both Apple and RIM haven't innovated a single thing in the last few years, nor do either have significant worldwide market share, it would appear the last one makes more sense.
Ironically, Microsoft and PC makers have differing software and hardware, yet that combination dwarfs Macs, Ubuntu and Linux machines, combined!
You don't have to make both hardware and software for your devices to be successful. You just need to be able to integrate the two effectively. Samsung has done that.
Oh, and before you give the normal drivel about Apple making a premium $ on the poor souls that buy into the hype, here is a stat that is gonna make Apple very jealous. The S4 is gonna bring Samsung a 60% profit per S4 sold (those that use the octacore chip). Those with Qualcomm will give them slightly less, but still more than what Apple gets per iPhone. There is a very nice article in Forbes.com today talking about this and why Samsung is beating Apple at its own game.
Well if Apple and RIM haven't (They have) then Samsung hasn't at all! Btw I wonder why if Apple and BB are no good does the US government use BlackBerry Z10 and iOS devices and not android?

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LOL, you're so off-base it's not funny. Market share means nothing. You mention yourself the PC industry and how Macs hold a tiny market share. Did you know that they lead the industry in terms of profit? The 90% almost went broke competing on razor thin margins to the point they weren't breaking even anymore. Apple was the only PC company making a decent profit.

In market share, yes Samsung has a lead. Want to know why? Because of this (http://www.phonearena.com/phones/manufacturers/Samsung). Most of these bring in very little profit. Only their premium phones (S3, S4, Note 2, etc.) do and those are but a tiny fraction of their overall sales. As with PCs, in profit terms, Apple still leads by a very wide margin.

In the Android space, I'm personally rooting for HTC. The new One is just fantastic. Hopefully they will succeed at being noticed because the phone is by far the best Android phone I've seen. Much better than the junk Samsung puts out IMO.
Thank-you! Very true! Yes I agree, I like the HTC way better than that Samsung junk

Assault
Apr 12, 2013, 06:59 PM
Sure - the exact wording was along the same lines - essentially we are all duped by Apple into purchasing what they put out.....couldn't possibly be on the merit of the devices themselves?
Uhhh, look at your signature. Nuf said.


Let's take this step by step:

(1) Apple doesn't release products on the fly - they release the mini last October, it was likely in production for years before. Overreaction to think a supply chain that large (however streamlined it may be) can create a reactionary product like that.
In production for years, huh? Guess Steve Jobs being adamant about 7" tablets wearing fingers down to the bone was just lies for the public. And we know Steve would never put a product out that would make him look stupid. And by the way, why do you believe the Mini would have taken years. It used old parts that Apple already had and there was zero innovation required for either the hardware or the software.
And of course, you failed to mention the upcoming cheap, plastic iPhone. So, Apple doesn't react to the market and do products on the fly? Laughable thought.

(2) Apple didn't pull Google apps from their store - simply stopped giving their chief OS competitor iOS user data (by not including such apps by default). There were also other issues regarding control over the maps api and such that Apple wanted and Google wasn't willing to give up. It was the right move for both sides IMO.
Guess we were all living in a dream?
gigaom.com/2012/12/12/now-with-turn-by-turn-navigation-google-maps-returns-to-ios/

(3) How many department heads were fired? Forstall was pushed out yes - there were internal power struggles between two dissenting views on how iOS should progress - the more powerful won out (Ive). Definitely a good thing IMO.
Forstall was fired. I love how you try to sugar coat it, by saying "pushed out". Dude, he was fired. And Eddie Cue fired Richard Williamson (another Senior Director) after the iMaps fiassco. Oh, excuse me, "pushed out". :rolleyes:



They just came off their most profitable/successful quarter ever and one that saw Apple at the top of market share for the first time (Samsung had led every quarter since 2008). They make some changes, and are prepared for another HUGE year - so because their stock price takes hits (based on crazy predictions/sketchy analyst projections) they're doomed?

Laughable.
Twist figures much? Apple was top of the market share in the US only. Samsung sells twice as many smart phones as Apple every quarter WORLDWIDE! I know you want to believe the U.S. is the world, but it isn't. Sorry.
And Apple Profits YoY were stagnant. $13.1b for Q1 2012 and Q1 2013? No change. Not sure where you are getting your stats? They did sell more iPhones during the holidays, but the majority were the older 4S and free 4 models, according to analysts. (Apple refused to give iPhone 5 sales numbers, so analysts had to go by sales data and inventory.) Rest assured, if the 5 had been a blckbuster, Apple would have touted those figures, just like they did when the 5 was officially released in the US and in China.




Meh - lots of opinion there.....I prefer numbers/facts.
Really? Your posts seem to contradict this statement. From your very own bgr link above. Quote:
***We estimate that, while 53% of Galaxy S3 BOM cost was internal, 58% of Galaxy S4 BOM costs should now flow through Display/Semis (Memory & S.LSI),” Newman wrote. “We estimate that, while 64% of Galaxy S3 BOM cost was within the Samsung Group (i.e. SEMCO, Samsung SDI, etc.), 68% of Galaxy S4 BOM costs should now flow through the Samsung Group. Additional profits to Samsung group entities should benefit Samsung Electronics in the form of increased equity income.”

The analyst estimates that Samsung’s gross profit margin for the Galaxy S4 will be 46% compared to the Galaxy S III’s 48% margin. “We believe the Galaxy S4 positions Samsung Electronics for continued strong earnings growth this year,” Newman wrote.***



The iPhone 5 took the top spot in WORLD market share for Q4 last year. Apple is number 2 in the world (and number 1 in the US) despite having a VASTLY smaller product line. Apple currently owns 70+% of smartphone profits and is coming off their most successful quarter ever. They have also sold more than twice as many iPhone (4, 4S and 5) than Samsung has sold of its entire Galaxy line (S, S2, S3, Note, Note 2).
Please show any proof from Apple where they give a specific number for iphone5 sales. iPhone5 is believed to be the top selling phone for Q4 (which is Apple's Q1 BTW) by ANALYSTS. Wait, didn't you say you preferred numbers/facts over opinions? Or is that true only when those opinions suit you?



I'll reiterate......Apple is fine. They know what they're doing. You don't luck into $150 billion in cash.....
REALLY? Since Jobs return in 97, have you seen this sort of rush to market of products, software failures, senior directors fired, lack of innovation??? There is only one thing that has changed in the equation. No Steve Jobs running that ship. And as RIM and Nokia have found out, resting on laurels will only last so long.



They are poised to have a massive 2013 with the iWatch, iPhone 5S, retina iPad mini, Mac Pro, Haswell MBA's and possibly a cheaper iPhone and larger iPhone (both of which I believe are coming, though maybe not this year). They are on the brink of offering a much more streamlined product catalog (IMO, moving to a three iPhone lineup without generational monikers would put it in line with the rest of their products while also offering more upgrades each year for consumers).

Personally, I think Apple is in a great place actually - not to say Samsung isn't as well. But 2013 won't be the year Apple tanks - it will be the year Apple reiterates they are a force in the technology world.
iWatch (lol) More of Apple doing a "me too" product (just like Samsung). Apple was stupid! They had the market cornered with the Nano becoming the iWatch. They blew off Pebble, when they went to them, saying there was no market for a smart watch. Now, all of a sudden they have interest, cause Pebble showed how wrong they were.
iPhone5S will hit the ground with a thud. Why buy the 5S, when it will be nothing more than a 5. Look at Apple's historical data on S releases.
And Mac's are stagnating along with PC sales. Last quarter Apple sold 20% fewer Mac's than the previous quarter (even after refreshes.)

Buckle up for this coming Quarterly report from Apple. I know I am gonna enjoy it.

cynics
Apr 12, 2013, 07:03 PM
Here's why


iPhone
-Hardware Made by = Apple
-Software Made by = Apple

Z10
-Hardware Made by = BlackBerry
-Software Made by = BlackBerry

S4
-Hardware Made by = Samsung
-Software Made by = Google

How does that last one make any sense?

That is why I don't like Windows either, software and hardware made by different companies. How are you supposed to innovate when two different companies area making it?

I think "design" is a more appropriate word. If we are using the word "made" then Samsung would lead that lot with its touchwiz overlay because Samsung accurately MAKES both the hardware and software. Android is so heavily modified on a Samsung device it shares as much in common with iOS as it does Android. That's an exaggeration but the use of the play store is the only thing keeping Android on Samsung devices.

The main thing all those phones you listed have in common is they are filled with Samsung (and other manufacture) parts.

Personally I think the point is a little silly. It's also the difference between a closed and open system which could be debated until the end of time.

I wouldn't say its necessarily a good thing giving too much control to a single entity either. An iPhone requires Apple servers to be functional. If apple disappeared tomorrow an iPhone would be near worthless.

Apple servers are required for activation, Siri, visual voicemail, iCloud, even the use of ANY wifi network requires you connect to apple first so no apple no wifi. These are the servers I've had issues with since owning an iPhone btw.

Not saying Android phone won't suffer with out Google but it will certainly be at a lesser degree.

Assault
Apr 12, 2013, 07:08 PM
Well if Apple and RIM haven't (They have) then Samsung hasn't at all! Btw I wonder why if Apple and BB are no good does the US government use BlackBerry Z10 and iOS devices and not android?

US govt has almost completely dropped Blackberries from the inventory. You might want to stop looking at data from 2009. In fact, the very last Blackberry was turned in where I work just last month. Not a single RIM product left in any inventory. iPhone have replaced the Blackberries in this particular instance, simply because they are being used as regular phones with no alterations in hardware or software required. Android phones are used in those cases.

And the government and military use both Android and iOS. Anything requiring modification to software are automatically given to an Android vendor, because Apple refuses to give the government access to the base code.

You are way out of your element discussing what the US gov't uses.

jrswizzle
Apr 12, 2013, 09:52 PM
Uhhh, look at your signature. Nuf said.



In production for years, huh? Guess Steve Jobs being adamant about 7" tablets wearing fingers down to the bone was just lies for the public. And we know Steve would never put a product out that would make him look stupid. And by the way, why do you believe the Mini would have taken years. It used old parts that Apple already had and there was zero innovation required for either the hardware or the software.
And of course, you failed to mention the upcoming cheap, plastic iPhone. So, Apple doesn't react to the market and do products on the fly? Laughable thought.

Guess we were all living in a dream?
gigaom.com/2012/12/12/now-with-turn-by-turn-navigation-google-maps-returns-to-ios/

Forstall was fired. I love how you try to sugar coat it, by saying "pushed out". Dude, he was fired. And Eddie Cue fired Richard Williamson (another Senior Director) after the iMaps fiassco. Oh, excuse me, "pushed out". :rolleyes:



Twist figures much? Apple was top of the market share in the US only. Samsung sells twice as many smart phones as Apple every quarter WORLDWIDE! I know you want to believe the U.S. is the world, but it isn't. Sorry.
And Apple Profits YoY were stagnant. $13.1b for Q1 2012 and Q1 2013? No change. Not sure where you are getting your stats? They did sell more iPhones during the holidays, but the majority were the older 4S and free 4 models, according to analysts. (Apple refused to give iPhone 5 sales numbers, so analysts had to go by sales data and inventory.) Rest assured, if the 5 had been a blckbuster, Apple would have touted those figures, just like they did when the 5 was officially released in the US and in China.




Really? Your posts seem to contradict this statement. From your very own bgr link above. Quote:
***We estimate that, while 53% of Galaxy S3 BOM cost was internal, 58% of Galaxy S4 BOM costs should now flow through Display/Semis (Memory & S.LSI),” Newman wrote. “We estimate that, while 64% of Galaxy S3 BOM cost was within the Samsung Group (i.e. SEMCO, Samsung SDI, etc.), 68% of Galaxy S4 BOM costs should now flow through the Samsung Group. Additional profits to Samsung group entities should benefit Samsung Electronics in the form of increased equity income.”

The analyst estimates that Samsung’s gross profit margin for the Galaxy S4 will be 46% compared to the Galaxy S III’s 48% margin. “We believe the Galaxy S4 positions Samsung Electronics for continued strong earnings growth this year,” Newman wrote.***



Please show any proof from Apple where they give a specific number for iphone5 sales. iPhone5 is believed to be the top selling phone for Q4 (which is Apple's Q1 BTW) by ANALYSTS. Wait, didn't you say you preferred numbers/facts over opinions? Or is that true only when those opinions suit you?



REALLY? Since Jobs return in 97, have you seen this sort of rush to market of products, software failures, senior directors fired, lack of innovation??? There is only one thing that has changed in the equation. No Steve Jobs running that ship. And as RIM and Nokia have found out, resting on laurels will only last so long.



iWatch (lol) More of Apple doing a "me too" product (just like Samsung). Apple was stupid! They had the market cornered with the Nano becoming the iWatch. They blew off Pebble, when they went to them, saying there was no market for a smart watch. Now, all of a sudden they have interest, cause Pebble showed how wrong they were.
iPhone5S will hit the ground with a thud. Why buy the 5S, when it will be nothing more than a 5. Look at Apple's historical data on S releases.
And Mac's are stagnating along with PC sales. Last quarter Apple sold 20% fewer Mac's than the previous quarter (even after refreshes.)

Buckle up for this coming Quarterly report from Apple. I know I am gonna enjoy it.


Lol....I don't think I'll ever understand this desire to see Apple fail....not sure what they did to you but ok pal.

Take my no comment as a win. Good for you, I'll continue to purchase and choose the devices I prefer - there's simply no reason to try and argue or justify my decision with someone like you.

Have a happy life ;)

cynics
Apr 12, 2013, 10:55 PM
Well if Apple and RIM haven't (They have) then Samsung hasn't at all! Btw I wonder why if Apple and BB are no good does the US government use BlackBerry Z10 and iOS devices and not android?

This depends on agency. NSA has a locked down version of Android for high security phones. My old roommate could only use Blackberry as a work phone not iOS, Android or Windows. I can't carry any phone on certain places of APG. My iPhone is locked in a safe guarded by an MP.

The main and ONLY reason Blackberry was so popular on the proving grounds where I occasionally work is because you could get a smartphone without a camera which is HIGHLY restricted (camera). Not because it was hacker proof or some BS.

Elit3
Apr 12, 2013, 11:12 PM
Well, I'm not surprised at this sort of response, especially on an Apple forum.

Here are a few thoughts to ponder.

1. The 9 sensors do not work independently. You do realize that the proximty sensor is used for all sorts of things with the Galaxy, to include increasing ringtones, ensuring the screen stays off when its in your pocket and in the case of humidity, it would just shut that sensor off. Very simple.

2. The use of all the sensors, especially weather related sensors, are likely to be used in a crowdsourcing feature. Currently, we depend on just a few weather receivers throughout the world to give us accurate weather. Imagine hundreds of millions of weather stations sending out constant updates to the weather in your local area! Talk about very accurate weather information. And I imagine Google will be getting in on this as well, so that when you look at Google maps, you will now not only have traffic information, but also weather info for anywhere you are going.

3. Thanks to the size of the Galaxy S series, HTC One, and the other Android phones with screen above 4.5", the space for more sensors is available. This benefits all of us using Android.

Wow, a the first good post on this thread, I am sure there are more, but yours is the first. You bring up many valid points, but as said in the other quote, how accurate will these be, and secondly, the battery. It is going to suffer, and maybe make it worse than the iPhone 5's life.

As far as the weather goes, I have a few reservations....

(1) How accurate will this sensor ACTUALLY be - even in optimal conditions?

(2) With the phone in one's pocket or purse most of the time, how often will the phone actually COLLECT temperature data (for example)? Obviously, taking a reading from inside a purse or, worse in a pocket in close proximity with your body, would not be very accurate.

As I've always said about all these Samsung features - for the few who use each one, great for you. In general, however, Samsung's goal is to have the longest "list" so they can tout having more "features" than anyone else. That is their marketing strategy, which by all accounts, is working like a charm.

I personally don't buy it, and even am not a fan of it (especially when, even with the long list, you have to purposefully leave out features on your competitors in a comparison), but I recognize there are people who like the phone even with some of those features being worthless to him/her. There are also people who will use most/all of those features.

More power to him/her.

Ok, I agree with your marketing and the fact Samsung cater to the Minority and give them a big quantity of features, and this marketing works. BUT so does Apple's. Apple's is to leave features out, add them later and people will buy both. Or to virtually copy others and market it as their innovation is at the forefront, yeah, with Steve Job's this "brand new innovation", was exactly that. But Apple is copying features now, and soon they will have 9 sensors and say no other phone has had this many. People like you (not you), will cough it down and buy the phone. For example, pararama mode, was on android for ages, then Apple made it and it is some how revolutionary. Same with photosphere, you will say that is stupid, nek minnit, Apple makes one and you buy it.

Assault
Apr 13, 2013, 01:38 AM
Lol....I don't think I'll ever understand this desire to see Apple fail....not sure what they did to you but ok pal.

Take my no comment as a win. Good for you, I'll continue to purchase and choose the devices I prefer - there's simply no reason to try and argue or justify my decision with someone like you.

Have a happy life ;)

Has nothing to do with you. I don't care what you use. You posting made up, contradictory and opinion based comments as facts is what bothers me.

And I don't want to see Apple fail. I want to see them adjust their snobby attitude and start innovating again, not give us the same repackaged crap year after year and claim its new and amazing. The iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4s and soon to be 5s are exactly what I am referring to.

Markyboy81
Apr 13, 2013, 01:58 AM
Why did this stop being about the sensors! :confused:

JHUFrank
Apr 13, 2013, 02:15 AM
Why did this stop being about the sensors! :confused:
I agree. Personally, I am looking forward to a device with temp, humidity and a barometer

roxxette
Apr 13, 2013, 02:23 AM
When all fails..... Use the profit margin card :o

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Why did this stop being about the sensors! :confused:

Agree, its getting annoying how threads are going down the hill lately specially in the "news and rumor" subforum and the alternative forum is following the trend.

MacRumorUser
Apr 13, 2013, 03:51 AM
When all fails..... Use the profit margin card :o

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Agree, its getting annoying how threads are going down the hill lately specially in the "news and rumor" subforum and the alternative forum is following the trend.

Everything either turns into Apple v Android bashing or Samsung GS4 v every other android device (which of course must suck because of the god like status people have given the gs4 unless the other device is also made by Samung in which case its great, just not as great) .....

Any we digress....

People will undoubtably predict a lot of these software and hardware features such as humidity sensors are gimmicks but I imagine in another generation or two they will be common place even in mid to low end devices. Its just a case the first to carry them may not find an audience for them until a few generations in.

daveathall
Apr 13, 2013, 04:01 AM
I'm still at a loss why people think it is a bad idea to include these extra features. If you don't use them, either switch them off, just ignore them or don't buy the phone. I haven't seen one post that explains why having these features makes the phone work worse than if they were not installed.

Who sets the standard for "if something is useful or not"?

I have heard the phrase "throwing features against the wall to see what sticks" on numerous occasions on this board. Well, I would rather a company do that, than decide for themselves whats gonna stick or not without even trying, and then include them 2 years later when those features have become the norm on other manufacturers devices.

SprSynJn
Apr 13, 2013, 04:41 AM
Stop me if I'm wrong, but aren't there phones out with the majority of these sensors already? Here in Japan I have seen them for years. What is innovative about this?

roxxette
Apr 13, 2013, 04:46 AM
Stop me if I'm wrong, but aren't there phones out with the majority of these sensors already? Here in Japan I have seen them for years. What is innovative about this?

Probably not in 1 package :p

Markyboy81
Apr 13, 2013, 05:28 AM
Stop me if I'm wrong, but aren't there phones out with the majority of these sensors already? Here in Japan I have seen them for years. What is innovative about this?

Yes, the galaxy s3 being one..

cynics
Apr 13, 2013, 06:54 AM
Stop me if I'm wrong, but aren't there phones out with the majority of these sensors already? Here in Japan I have seen them for years. What is innovative about this?

A lot of people don't realize that some devices already have a lot of these sensors already. The Xoom for example has a barometer and that came out prior to the iPad 2. The S3 has a barometer too.

As far as I'm aware temp, psychrometer and barometer in a smartphone is new. But I could be wrong obviously.

Markyboy81
Apr 13, 2013, 07:36 AM
A lot of people don't realize that some devices already have a lot of these sensors already. The Xoom for example has a barometer and that came out prior to the iPad 2. The S3 has a barometer too.

As far as I'm aware temp, psychrometer and barometer in a smartphone is new. But I could be wrong obviously.

What's a psychrometer?

MacRumorUser
Apr 13, 2013, 07:57 AM
What's a psychrometer?

measures heat index as opposed to just temperature, and does so by the difference between two thermometers. It allows you tell humidity and air moisture content.



It also tells you if your approaching Bates Motel or have any chance of strange encounters in a shower...
http://www.fact.co.uk/media/3475689/psycho_1.jpg

Markyboy81
Apr 13, 2013, 08:10 AM
measures heat index as opposed to just temperature, and does so by the difference between two thermometers. It allows you tell humidity and air moisture content.



It also tells you if your approaching Bates Motel or have any chance of strange encounters in a shower...
http://www.fact.co.uk/media/3475689/psycho_1.jpg

Haha could be useful then. However I welcome such encounters..

MacRumorUser
Apr 13, 2013, 08:11 AM
Haha could be useful then. However I welcome such encounters..

ooooooooo

http://jrfibonacci.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/austin_powers_mike_myers_as_dr_evil.jpg

SprSynJn
Apr 13, 2013, 09:09 AM
ooooooooo

Image (http://jrfibonacci.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/austin_powers_mike_myers_as_dr_evil.jpg)

Oh, how I wish we could like posts on Tapatalk.

adnbek
Apr 13, 2013, 10:35 AM
When all fails..... Use the profit margin card.

If discussions stuck to simply discussing the merits or faults of a phone and didn't always end up devolving into a slew of "Apple is failing" or "Apple is doomed" comments, I doubt profit margins would be brought up as much.

AppleDeviceUser
Apr 13, 2013, 10:48 AM
US govt has almost completely dropped Blackberries from the inventory. You might want to stop looking at data from 2009. In fact, the very last Blackberry was turned in where I work just last month. Not a single RIM product left in any inventory. iPhone have replaced the Blackberries in this particular instance, simply because they are being used as regular phones with no alterations in hardware or software required. Android phones are used in those cases.

And the government and military use both Android and iOS. Anything requiring modification to software are automatically given to an Android vendor, because Apple refuses to give the government access to the base code.

You are way out of your element discussing what the US gov't uses.

I happen to know that the US department of defence ordered 1 million Blackberry Z10s. Maybe you should do some research before you post.

LIVEFRMNYC
Apr 13, 2013, 11:14 AM
I happen to know that the US department of defence ordered 1 million Blackberry Z10s.


Same 'ol government wasting our money. :p

cynics
Apr 13, 2013, 12:39 PM
I happen to know that the US department of defence ordered 1 million Blackberry Z10s. Maybe you should do some research before you post.

1 MILLION?!?!

Do you have any reliable source for that because that sounds like BS. Why would they order 1 million for a lot of 3-3.5 million? 750k are civilians and 1.1 are in reserves. Around 1.5 active duty military and they gave 1 million brand new phones?

Never mind the 300-500 MILLION dollar price tag with that at a discount.

jrswizzle
Apr 13, 2013, 03:45 PM
Has nothing to do with you. I don't care what you use. You posting made up, contradictory and opinion based comments as facts is what bothers me.

And I don't want to see Apple fail. I want to see them adjust their snobby attitude and start innovating again, not give us the same repackaged crap year after year and claim its new and amazing. The iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4s and soon to be 5s are exactly what I am referring to.

*sigh*

Nothing false or contradictory about my post.

Apple is either first or second in market share across the globe - first in the US and second overall (by about a 10-15% margin).

They own almost 75% of profit share and for the first time last quarter, they knocked Samsung out of the top market share spot IN THE US (I know you got on to me for inadvertently leaving that out).

Those are all true statements. I haven't seen any innovation from ANYONE since 2010.....maybe we are due for some, but I'm not of the mind we need to see some major advancement/innovation every year. Consumers have been spoiled by the rapid progression of mobile tech - which has only increased the generally fickle nature of the buying public.

I hope you get what you want - though there are plenty of options out there if you can't stand Apple's "snobby" attitude.....though I would suggest being wary of Samsung as well.....just look at some of the claims made by this sensor article - I'm sorry, but I'm sure my relationships will be just fine without a Galaxy phone....

Assault
Apr 13, 2013, 03:53 PM
1 MILLION?!?!

Do you have any reliable source for that because that sounds like BS. Why would they order 1 million for a lot of 3-3.5 million? 750k are civilians and 1.1 are in reserves. Around 1.5 active duty military and they gave 1 million brand new phones?

Never mind the 300-500 MILLION dollar price tag with that at a discount.

They didn't. DoD was looking to contract out 650k new phones for delivery over the next few years (to replace all the Blackberries they dumped back to RIM), but that entire order never materialized, primarily due to sequestration. No money = no new contract. Whatever money that was spent to diversify the phone situation in the DoD is from 2012 contracts.

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I happen to know that the US department of defence ordered 1 million Blackberry Z10s. Maybe you should do some research before you post.

Really? You happen "to know"? Looks like you have been reading to many Crack berry articles.

Let's throw some facts on this, shall we?
Link: slashgear.com/which-partner-purchased-one-million-blackberry-z10-devices-25275206/

A couple of weeks ago, Blackberry announced that a mystery partner had purchased 1 million of its Blackberry Z10 devices. It wouldn’t say who the partner was, but that it was a huge confidence boost for both the company and consumers alike. The announcement was enough to boost its shares up 8.2%. While it was speculated that the mysterious partner had to be a major carrier like AT&T or Verizon Wireless, it turns out that the partner was actually a wireless distributor by the name of Brightstar.

Brightstar is a big, wireless distributor that distributes products all around the world. About 40% of its revenue was composed of Blackberry handset sales a couple of years ago. Brightstar had enough confidence in Blackberry’s new product in order to place such a massive order, and since it operates globally, it has a better chance, than AT&T and Verizon Wireless, to resell all of its Blackberry Z10 devices.

Brightstar also acts as a buffer for companies like Verizon Wireless. Mark Gerber, managing director at Detwiler Fenton, a Research House, stated that Verizon is using Brightstar to “handle the big-box retail and dealer agent channels” for the Blackberry Z10. Gerber believes that Verizon Wireless doesn’t have enough faith in the Blackberry Z10, otherwise it would sell the product on its own.

Operating through a 3rd party is Verizon’s safety net if the Z10 doesn’t do well on its network.

sentinelsx
Apr 15, 2013, 09:50 AM
No it doesn't, how does a carrier change anything?

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Well if Apple and RIM haven't (They have) then Samsung hasn't at all! Btw I wonder why if Apple and BB are no good does the US government use BlackBerry Z10 and iOS devices and not android?

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Thank-you! Very true! Yes I agree, I like the HTC way better than that Samsung junk

Without the carrier, i cannot even use my smartphone. No data, no calls, no texts etc etc etc. The carrier has a big stake in the design of my perfect smartphone. Hence my next phone is going to be the Rogers rPhone! :)

I would imagine a metal junkie would like a locked down HTC over "junk" that works for many :) Look at that bezel, i hate phones which have more than 10% of front as bezel. Only samsung knows how to make it look like 90%+ of front is just the screen. A huge bezel serves 0 purpose to me.