PDA

View Full Version : Galaxy Note 3 to come with better build quality, as HTC One “worries” Samsung




iPad5
Apr 13, 2013, 02:25 PM
A new report says that the next-gen Galaxy Note 3 model will not follow the “design guidelines of the Galaxy S4,” as Samsung may be exploring ways to improve the build quality of its mobile devices.

According to a Sam Mobile insider, Samsung is apparently “’worried’ about the design and build quality of [its] mobile devices,” now that the HTC One is out in the wild. Accordingly, the Galaxy Note 3 could move away from plastic, although the insider doesn’t mention exactly what changes Samsung has in mind.

Samsung is apparently only worried about what potential buyers think about the build quality of its flagship devices, Galaxy S4 included, especially when compared with the HTC One, which is made of aluminum. As for the software on top of Android – Samsung’s Nature UX interface – the company seems to believe that its software “is better than the one on HTC devices.”

However, we’ll remind you that not too long ago, Samsung made its case for plastic choices, basically saying that by using that material in favor of anything else, it’s able to produce the large number of mobile devices it needs to satisfy consumers. Therefore, it will definitely be interesting to see what material Samsung will choose for the Galaxy Note 3 especially since Sam Mobile says that an internal metal-based Galaxy S4 version was built, and it was “very popular internally.” Samsung ultimately went with plastic as it couldn’t mass-produce the metal model in time for launch.

Naturally, we’ll take everything with a pinch of salt as we’re still looking at an unconfirmed rumor, even if it does come from a publication that has been mostly right in the past about upcoming Samsung products.

The same source says the Galaxy S3 will feature a 6-inch FHD AMOLED display, Exynos 5 Octa processor, 13-megapixel camera, LTE and “the latest version of Android, which could be Android 5.0.”

Rumor: Galaxy Note 3 to come with better build quality, as HTC One (http://www.androidauthority.com/rumor-galaxy-note-3-build-quality-htc-one-190060/)



MacRumorUser
Apr 13, 2013, 02:28 PM
I seriously doubt a 5.5" - 6" Note 3 is getting Samsung worried about the aesthetics of the HTC One. It will follow design cues from SGS4, simples.

If a rumor sounds like BS, smells like BS..... The chances are .....

iPad5
Apr 13, 2013, 02:31 PM
I guess their pre-order numbers for the SGS4 are far below their expectations?

0dev
Apr 13, 2013, 02:33 PM
Samsung is leading the Android market while HTC is doing worse than BlackBerry. HTC is the absolute last of Samsung's worries, their real competition comes from Apple, not other Android manufacturers.

iPad5
Apr 13, 2013, 02:36 PM
Samsung is leading the Android market while HTC is doing worse than BlackBerry. HTC is the absolute last of Samsung's worries, their real competition comes from Apple, not other Android manufacturers.

I think you may have been hiding under a cave for the past few coupe of months. Just go to Youtube and search for a comparison between HTC One and SGS4. The majority of the comments on those videos are praising the HTC One and mockig the SGS4. The tide may have actually turned.

lympero
Apr 13, 2013, 02:38 PM
I have decided to sell my s3 for s4. I have the international 32gb s3 with the 3000 original extended battery. Then I realized that ill have to pay about 350 euro to get 16gb less, no FM radio, 400 mah less battery and no octa core.

No thanks!

0dev
Apr 13, 2013, 02:57 PM
I think you may have been hiding under a cave for the past few coupe of months. Just go to Youtube and search for a comparison between HTC One and SGS4. The majority of the comments on those videos are praising the HTC One and mockig the SGS4. The tide may have actually turned.

Well that's it then, as HTC's position as a company clearly rests on the opinions expressed in the infinite source of divine wisdom that is YouTube comments, obviously my post based on their actual sales and profit numbers is totally inaccurate... :rolleyes:

HimOffTheTelly
Apr 13, 2013, 03:24 PM
I think it's a shame that the tech press has almost unanimously appointed the HTC One "the best Android phone ever" based on looks and build quality. Android is all about the user experience primarily and on this front the Samsung Galaxy range wins hands down, regardless of material build. I still rock the original Note, successor to my iPhone 4, which in turn succeeded a 3G, and the reasons why are both usual ones (external SD card support, removable battery, big screen) and ones personal to me (some of Samung's software flourishes do add value in some areas, especially on the S-pen weilding Note range, and the hardware button configuration means many essential functions like web search and context sensitive menus are always available). If the Note 3 is a bigger S4 that'll be cool with me. I loved the design and construction of the iPhone 4 above any phone ever but I barely give such things a second thought with me Note because it is just a functional dirty great worhorse that does everything I want it to. It's fair to say I havent used a One so I wont diss it unnecessarily, but the simplified button arrangement, the sealed battery and non expandable memory gimp the thing even before it's switched on. I dont doubt it "feels good" in the hand, but I see no use in this if the rest of the experience is restricted by HTC's other hardware and software implications. It's all make up and dress and no knickers by the looks of it.

F123D
Apr 13, 2013, 03:33 PM
I could see the Note III having a better build. With Samsung having to produce as many S4's as possible to meet demand, they went with plastic. (HTC One has a nice build quality but look at their issues with manufacturing and delays because of it).

With the Note III, since demand won't be as high, I can see Samsung being able to manufacture enough devices while using better materials. Even just a metal band should be enough to give it a premium feel.

AutoUnion39
Apr 13, 2013, 04:01 PM
I somehow doubt Sammy cares about HTC. They're basically a no one right now

onthecouchagain
Apr 13, 2013, 04:28 PM
True or not, it wouldn't hurt Samsung the least bit to start making more premium feeling devices.

Imagine if the S4 metal bands around the device were actually metal. Why not?

bmac4
Apr 13, 2013, 04:40 PM
I think you may have been hiding under a cave for the past few coupe of months. Just go to Youtube and search for a comparison between HTC One and SGS4. The majority of the comments on those videos are praising the HTC One and mockig the SGS4. The tide may have actually turned.

The tide has turned? Are you out of your mind? Samsung has nothing to worry about. The One is HTC last chance to save themselves which is never good for a company. The S4 will sales millions and millions and will start to battle with the iPhone. The One will sell several million, but nothing for Samsung or Apple to worry about.

To the OP I don't think Samsung is worried, but I would not mind seeing them make a phone out of something other than plastic. I think if they decided to do this it would be on there own not because of HTC.

AutoUnion39
Apr 13, 2013, 04:51 PM
I think you may have been hiding under a cave for the past few coupe of months. Just go to Youtube and search for a comparison between HTC One and SGS4. The majority of the comments on those videos are praising the HTC One and mockig the SGS4. The tide may have actually turned.

and the exact same thing happened last year. Everyone was praising the One X up and down and trashing the S3. So how did that turn out?

MacRumorUser
Apr 13, 2013, 05:00 PM
To the OP I don't think Samsung is worried, but I would not mind seeing them make a phone out of something other than plastic. I think if they decided to do this it would be on there own not because of HTC.

Exactly.

They may indeed go metal to differentiate the Note 3 further from the Mega 5.8 & 6.3 - but it certainly won't be because of the HTC One despite it being a lovely phone, HTC will be lucky to sell 10% of Samsung's projected 100 million GS4's.... And Samsung & HTC know this.

----------

True or not, it wouldn't hurt Samsung the least bit to start making more premium feeling devices.

Imagine if the S4 metal bands around the device were actually metal. Why not?

Yeah if they had announced the GS4 was metal framed, I may have gone for it without hesitation. Touchwiz and the plastic case put me off.


Actually someone offered me a Note 2, 32Gb microSD, lots of extra's + €200 cash today to swap for my HTC One.

Not a bad offer, but the plastic case and Touchwiz made me reject the offer more so than CPU / GPU differences.

bmac4
Apr 13, 2013, 05:01 PM
Exactly.

They may indeed go metal to differentiate the Note 3 further from the Mega 5.8 & 6.3 - but it certainly won't be because of the HTC One despite it being a lovely phone, HTC will be lucky to sell 10% of Samsung's projected 100 million GS4's.... And Samsung & HTC know this.

I think they may start to try a type of metal because they are getting bigger each year, and they can afford to try that.

iPad5
Apr 13, 2013, 06:30 PM
But wouldn't it be funny if Samsung suddenly releases a metal phone? People will lose respect to Samsung.... Many will call them a copycat of Apple

MacRumorUser
Apr 13, 2013, 06:35 PM
But wouldn't it be funny if Samsung suddenly releases a metal phone? People will lose respect to Samsung.... Many will call them a copycat of Apple

On the contrary, they'd be giving a lot of people exactly what they wanted. Chances of it happening are still slim though...

Are folks saying Apple is copying Samung by releasing a plastic iPhone ? Or is having choice a bad thing now?

torana355
Apr 13, 2013, 06:41 PM
Regardless of the reason it would be a great idea for Samsung to make a more premium feeling device. Even my $400 Nexus 4 feels more expensive in hand then a S3.

bmac4
Apr 13, 2013, 08:23 PM
But wouldn't it be funny if Samsung suddenly releases a metal phone? People will lose respect to Samsung.... Many will call them a copycat of Apple

People can call it whatever they wanted it would just be Samsung making a great phone.

hyteckit
Apr 13, 2013, 09:05 PM
Samsung needs to get rid of the cheap plastic.

I just got myself a Samsung Ativ 500T tablet and I'm surprise the plastic feels even cheaper than my Note 2. Even the s pen that came with Samsung Ativ 500T feels cheaper than the one that came with the Note 2.

iPad5
Apr 13, 2013, 09:37 PM
Yeah... Just like the Note 8.0, it's plastic and yet more expensive than the iPad mini. Dare I say DOA?

bmac4
Apr 13, 2013, 10:10 PM
Yeah... Just like the Note 8.0, it's plastic and yet more expensive than the iPad mini. Dare I say DOA?

I would not call the iPad mini great materials either. That has to be the cheapest made Apple product yet it still cost more than most other tablets in that size.

hyteckit
Apr 13, 2013, 10:28 PM
I would not call the iPad great materials either. That has to be the cheapest made Apple product yet it still cost more than most other tablets in that size.

The iPad feels a lot more premiun than any Android phone/tablet I've own.

----------

I think the HTC One is great.

It tells Android users that they don't have to settle for average looking phones made from cheap plastic like the ones you get from Samsung.

You can actually have a good looking Android phone with great build quality like Apple devices.

bmac4
Apr 13, 2013, 10:30 PM
The iPad feels a lot more premiun than any Android phone/tablet I've own.

----------

I think the HTC One is great.

It tells Android users that they don't have to settle for average looking phones made from cheap plastic like the ones you get from Samsung.

You can actually have a good looking Android phone with great build quality like Apple devices.

The key word is iPad. Yes the regular iPad feels like a great tablet, but the mini is a different story. It really does feel cheap in comparison.

Sorry I just realized I did not put mini in my original post. That is what I meant.

hyteckit
Apr 13, 2013, 10:33 PM
The key word is iPad. Yes the regular iPad feels like a great tablet, but the mini is a different story. It really does feel cheap in comparison.

Sorry I just realized I did not put mini in my original post. That is what I meant.

And my iPad Mini feels a lot more premium than any Android phone/tablet I've own.

Only thing that feels cheaper on the iPad Mini compared to the iPad is the glass. Glass on the iPhone Mini feels cheaper.

ChrisTX
Apr 13, 2013, 10:39 PM
I seriously doubt a 5.5" - 6" Note 3 is getting Samsung worried about the aesthetics of the HTC One. It will follow design cues from SGS4, simples.

If a rumor sounds like BS, smells like BS..... The chances are .....

Normally I'd be inclined to agree with you except the original rumor comes from Sam Mobile who has a remarkably good track record. When it comes to Samsung rumors, they're almost never wrong.

bmac4
Apr 13, 2013, 10:42 PM
And my iPad Mini feels a lot more premium than any Android phone/tablet I've own.

Only thing that feels cheaper on the iPad Mini compared to the iPad is the glass. Glass on the iPhone Mini feels cheaper.

I have the iPad 2 my sister has the iPad mini. The mini feels way more cheap than my iPad. The mini back feels no where near as solid as the iPad. Also the buttons feel cheap on the mini. It feels like a cheaper iPhone 5 in every way. It seems like they tried to make it feel like the iPhone 5, but used cheaper things to make it. I also own the original kindle fire, and it feels more solidly built than the iPad mini to me.

hyteckit
Apr 13, 2013, 10:49 PM
I have the iPad 2 my sister has the iPad mini. The mini feels way more cheap than my iPad. The mini back feels no where near as solid as the iPad. Also the buttons feel cheap on the mini. It feels like a cheaper iPhone 5 in every way. It seems like they tried to make it feel like the iPhone 5, but used cheaper things to make it. I also own the original kindle fire, and it feels more solidly built than the iPad mini to me.

Well, I have my iPad Mini in front of me right now. Buttons and back feels super sold and refine. Buttons and switch has great tactile feedback. Seem more solidly build than the original iPhone and iPhone 3G I've own.

Makes my Samsung Note 2 and Samsung Ativ 500T tablet feels like a cheap plastic toy.

bmac4
Apr 13, 2013, 10:53 PM
Well, I have my iPad Mini in front of me right now. Buttons and back feels super sold and refine. Buttons and switch has great tactile feedback. Better quality than the original iPhone and iPhone 3G I've own.

Makes my Samsung Note 2 and Samsung Ativ 500T tablet feels like a cheap plastic toy.

Well I guess we will just have to disagree. If you used the iPad and then stated using the mini again you may agree. I have note 2 as well, but it feels pretty well made to me. I would not call it iPhone 4 quality, but good. I did not say iPhone 5 cause I feel the iPhone 4 felt more solid. The mini to me just feels cheap compared to other Apple products.

tjl3
Apr 13, 2013, 11:18 PM
and the exact same thing happened last year. Everyone was praising the One X up and down and trashing the S3. So how did that turn out?

With all these competitors supposedly doing well, HTC One, Sony XZ, Nexus 4, Samsung probably doesn't have to worry, but they should take note. Samsung somehow only has ~40% Android marketshare (I swear I thought it would be much higher), and these other companies are offering up vastly new/different products that are worthy of eating into that.

The key word is iPad. Yes the regular iPad feels like a great tablet, but the mini is a different story. It really does feel cheap in comparison.

Sorry I just realized I did not put mini in my original post. That is what I meant.

No, just no -_-

bmac4
Apr 13, 2013, 11:24 PM
With all these competitors supposedly doing well, HTC One, Sony XZ, Nexus 4, Samsung probably doesn't have to worry, but they should take note. Samsung somehow only has ~40% Android marketshare (I swear I thought it would be much higher), and these other companies are offering up vastly new/different products that are worthy of eating into that.



No, just no -_-

Oh really I am glad you are so sure about that. Maybe you feel that way, but I don't. Put the 2 side by side. Yes I do realize I am putting this on an Apple forum site, but that is what I think.

tjl3
Apr 13, 2013, 11:37 PM
Oh really I am glad you are so sure about that. Maybe you feel that way, but I don't. Put the 2 side by side. Yes I do realize I am putting this on an Apple forum site, but that is what I think.

I have 2 side by side right now. If you mean light and thin = cheap, I'm happy for you.

Mackan
Apr 13, 2013, 11:43 PM
I think it can only go downhill for Samsung at this point. With their S4 I saw that they were totally clueless. HTC were forced to change something, and while not innovative, they offer something more compelling than Samsung at the moment. But overall, asian companies... I know how they are.

hyteckit
Apr 14, 2013, 12:30 AM
Well I guess we will just have to disagree. If you used the iPad and then stated using the mini again you may agree. I have note 2 as well, but it feels pretty well made to me. I would not call it iPhone 4 quality, but good. I did not say iPhone 5 cause I feel the iPhone 4 felt more solid. The mini to me just feels cheap compared to other Apple products.

I have the iPhone 4S, iPad Mini, Samsung Galaxy Note 2, and Samsung Ativ tablet in front of me right now.

The iPad Mini build quality is top notch. Way better quality than the Galaxy Note 2 and Samsung Ativ tablets, which feels like cheap plastic.

Only thing that feels cheaper on the iPad Mini compare to the the iPad, is the cheaper feeling screen on the iPad Mini.

saha-med
Apr 14, 2013, 03:28 AM
Boys...we've got someone new to copy

bmac4
Apr 14, 2013, 07:25 AM
I have 2 side by side right now. If you mean light and thin = cheap, I'm happy for you.

I did not expect a bunch of Apple fans to agree with me. Just let it go I think the iPad mini's build quality is not as good as most of all their other products. The aluminum feels thin and feels like it could bend. The buttons don't feel like they are made out of aluminum. They feel like something trying to look aluminum. I don't like it.

You can say whatever you want to, but I can have an opinion just like everyone else. I am so tired of people talking about every other OEM having cheap phones compared to Apple. Look at the iPhone 5. Apple wanted to keep the weight down so they used thin aluminum that people complain bends. The paint or whatever it is that they put over the aluminum comes off if you are not careful, or it might have come out of the box with come chips in it. Sure the iPhone and the rest of the Apple line up have some good looking products, but they have issues to. Just because other products are not made out of a metal of some kind does not make them cheap.

----------

I have the iPhone 4S, iPad Mini, Samsung Galaxy Note 2, and Samsung Ativ tablet in front of me right now.

The iPad Mini build quality is top notch. Way better quality than the Galaxy Note 2 and Samsung Ativ tablets, which feels like cheap plastic.

Only thing that feels cheaper on the iPad Mini compare to the the iPad, is the cheaper feeling screen on the iPad Mini.

That's your opinion and I am glad you are sticking up for your purchase. I just disagree. I think my iPad and nexus 4 feel better built then the iPad mini. Sorry that is just my opinion.

onthecouchagain
Apr 14, 2013, 09:04 AM
I've seen seen people's iPhone 5's, especially the black one, with a lot of the paint being chipped off around the chamfered edges.

Even my white iPhone 5's edges are beginning to show some chipping though it's far less noticeable.

Make that what you will about quality.

Donvald
Apr 14, 2013, 09:07 AM
Not too sure what to think of this. I have a note 2 but I've never thought I've been shortchanged or am suffering in some way due to the material choice. It really doesn't feel bad at all.

If the note series started to be made of metals I'm no even sure I would want it. I don't like to feel of cold metal in my hand. The plastic of the note 2 is heated by my hands and never feels cold to the touch. I actually like it.

In regard to toughness. Plastic is durable despite complaints. Does it feel premium? For me actually yes is does surprisingly I think that's due to the size weight and design of the phone. But I can understand where others might feel differently

onthecouchagain
Apr 14, 2013, 09:10 AM
Not too sure what to think of this. I have a note 2 but I've never thought I've been shortchanged or am suffering in some way due to the material choice. It really doesn't feel bad at all.

If the note series started to be made of metals I'm no even sure I would want it. I don't like to feel of cold metal in my hand. The plastic of the note 2 is heated by my hands and never feels cold to the touch. I actually like it.

In regard to toughness. Plastic is durable despite complaints. Does it feel premium? For me actually yes is does surprisingly I think that's due to the size weight and design of the phone. But I can understand where others might feel differently

I posted recently that I held my friends note ii for the first time. It felt great. Build quality, the feeling of the plastic, the overall device - everything about it screamed power and quality. I was very impressed.

Given what a big fuss people make about plastic I was very surprised by how much I liked holding the note ii. I imagine it'd be the same when holding the s4 in person.

Having said that, again, I wouldn't mind if Samsung started using metals somewhere. Imagine if the bands around the s4 were really metal instead of faux metal.

cynics
Apr 14, 2013, 09:19 AM
Are you guys saying the words "build quality" because the case of some phone are made out of the exotic material "metal"?

What does the case material have to do with build quality? If I had stone veneer on the front of my house is the build quality of my house better then wood siding? Neither effect the quality in which it was built.

I think "premium feel" is a better choice of words then build quality. A finely hand crafted device made of plastic will have a higher build quality the something I slap together made of metal.

0dev
Apr 14, 2013, 09:24 AM
Are you guys saying the words "build quality" because the case of some phone are made out of the exotic material "metal"?

What does the case material have to do with build quality? If I had stone veneer on the front of my house is the build quality of my house better then wood siding? Neither effect the quality in which it was built.

I think "premium feel" is a better choice of words then build quality. A finely hand crafted device made of plastic will have a higher build quality the something I slap together made of metal.

Exactly. HTCs made of metal still have crappy build quality despite the fact they feel a bit better because they're unreliable. The case material does not determine build quality, more people need to understand this.

Donvald
Apr 14, 2013, 09:38 AM
I posted recently that I held my friends note ii for the first time. It felt great. Build quality, the feeling of the plastic, the overall device - everything about it screamed power and quality. I was very impressed.

Given what a big fuss people make about plastic I was very surprised by how much I liked holding the note ii. I imagine it'd be the same when holding the s4 in person.

Having said that, again, I wouldn't mind if Samsung started using metals somewhere. Imagine if the bands around the s4 were really metal instead of faux metal.

I am really not that fussed about the metal. I'm typing this on the note 2 and in portrait the sides of my hands come in contact with the faux metal band. In cant feel anything except the warmth that my hand has given. Exchange that for a real metal band and I'd have that cool metallic feel that makes the device feel less organic and more of a tool. I'd think psychologically it would make me more aware of the bulk of the device. Strange but true. For me.

----------

Are you guys saying the words "build quality" because the case of some phone are made out of the exotic material "metal"?

What does the case material have to do with build quality? If I had stone veneer on the front of my house is the build quality of my house better then wood siding? Neither effect the quality in which it was built.

I think "premium feel" is a better choice of words then build quality. A finely hand crafted device made of plastic will have a higher build quality the something I slap together made of metal.

I think build quality used as a catchall term to encompass premium feel. I think we know what people mean by it.

I mean in the high end market phones are designed and built to high standards. If someone get a dud then its not intentional.

Premium feel is subjective but it appears this has now become synonymous with durability of material choice - premium. Incorrectly IMO.

adnbek
Apr 14, 2013, 09:39 AM
A finely hand crafted device made of plastic will have a higher build quality the something I slap together made of metal.

The material inherently determines the complexity of the process being used.

For plastic, injection moulding would be used which is arguably a cheaper and easier process and requiring zero craftsmanship. With metals and especially in the case of unibodies, CNC machining is used which is a more complex, precision-based manufacturing process.

This is where the perception of quality comes from.

I'm not trying to say which is better, but you'll never find a "hand-crafted" piece of plastic. That would be adding unnecessary complexity and there is simply no need to do so due to the malleable nature of the material. With blocks of aluminium, it is a necessity. You just can't mold it into its form factor the way you can with plastics.

Another perception of "cheap" comes from the fact that plastics will always feel less solid than metals in the hand. Again, not saying which is better, but plastics will tend to flex and creak more than metals do when pressure is applied. This is more evident when it comes to large surface areas such as on laptops and tablets and less of an issue when it comes to smaller form factors such as phones.

Dave.UK
Apr 14, 2013, 10:12 AM
Samsung needs to get rid of the cheap plastic.

I just got myself a Samsung Ativ 500T tablet and I'm surprise the plastic feels even cheaper than my Note 2. Even the s pen that came with Samsung Ativ 500T feels cheaper than the one that came with the Note 2.

Back in Time-Out so soon?!

Same old argument all the time. Cheap plastic this, cheap plastic that. How about the cheap aluminum Apple uses for its products? The cheap aluminum that scratches, dents and bends.

Id rather had a plastic phone over glass or metal.

onthecouchagain
Apr 14, 2013, 10:17 AM
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Metal-body-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S4-would-have-meant-delay_id41861

Adding metal to the S4 would have delayed it. It's the same source story.

I know Samsung isn't particularly worried about HTC, but I wouldn't be shocked if there were truth to these articles. Samsung being criticized for plastic isn't exactly a new thing. They're not deaf blind and dumb. I think HTC's offering this year only brings that scrutinizing light brighter on Samsung. Really wouldn't be surprised if these stories are true.

I hope so.

Donvald
Apr 14, 2013, 10:41 AM
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Metal-body-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S4-would-have-meant-delay_id41861

Adding metal to the S4 would have delayed it. It's the same source story.

I know Samsung isn't particularly worried about HTC, but I wouldn't be shocked if there were truth to these articles. Samsung being criticized for plastic isn't exactly a new thing. They're not deaf blind and dumb. I think HTC's offering this year only brings that scrutinizing light brighter on Samsung. Really wouldn't be surprised if these stories are true.

I hope so.

I doubt Samsung actually feels the pressure from HTC. they compete against the likes of apple not HTC anyway. And as we know, against the iPhone 4 the s2 sold extremely well and established the galaxy line. Against the 4s again the s3 continues to be a success and probably even more so the s4. These are 'plastic' phones against glass and aluminum phones, the apparent standard of the industry when it comes to build and Samsung persisted and succeeded with their plastic materials.

Now all of a sudden because of the HTC one Samsung is changing it up? Unlikely. We don't have sales figures but don't even need them as since samsung didn't budge or suffer from not budging with apple its hardly going to budge for HTC.

If materials do change its likely due to competing with the iPhone.

onthecouchagain
Apr 14, 2013, 11:00 AM
I doubt Samsung actually feels the pressure from HTC. they compete against the likes of apple not HTC anyway. And as we know, against the iPhone 4 the s2 sold extremely well and established the galaxy line. Against the 4s again the s3 continues to be a success and probably even more so the s4. These are 'plastic' phones against glass and aluminum phones, the apparent standard of the industry when it comes to build and Samsung persisted and succeeded with their plastic materials.

Now all of a sudden because of the HTC one Samsung is changing it up? Unlikely. We don't have sales figures but don't even need them as since samsung didn't budge or suffer from not budging with apple its hardly going to budge for HTC.

If materials do change its likely due to competing with the iPhone.

Can't disagree with that.

Assault
Apr 14, 2013, 11:27 AM
All this talk about quality of the iPhone simply because it uses a very cheap alloy called aluminum?

And then we see all the iPhone owners on here exclaiming the magnificence of their iPhones aluminum, but then cover it with "cheap" plastic. I find that funny. But, I don't blame them, because the iPhone 5 is so prone to damage, it needs to be covered in a product like "plastic" that doesn't get damaged very easily.

As for the HTC One, I think it looks nice, but I won't buy one just because it is made out of aluminum. I won't buy one because it lacks a removable battery, expandable memory, AND I don't like the Sense UI (maybe Sense 5 will be different).
Will Samsung change direction, because HTC made one aluminum phone? I doubt it. I hate the feeling of cold, brick shaped aluminum.

iPad5
Apr 14, 2013, 04:13 PM
Actually, I am starting to doubt the accuracy of this rumor. Knowing Samsung, the company would rather spend on marketing than R&D.

appletoandroid
Apr 14, 2013, 04:16 PM
All this talk about quality of the iPhone simply because it uses a very cheap alloy called aluminum?

And then we see all the iPhone owners on here exclaiming the magnificence of their iPhones aluminum, but then cover it with "cheap" plastic. I find that funny. But, I don't blame them, because the iPhone 5 is so prone to damage, it needs to be covered in a product like "plastic" that doesn't get damaged very easily.

As for the HTC One, I think it looks nice, but I won't buy one just because it is made out of aluminum. I won't buy one because it lacks a removable battery, expandable memory, AND I don't like the Sense UI (maybe Sense 5 will be different).
Will Samsung change direction, because HTC made one aluminum phone? I doubt it. I hate the feeling of cold, brick shaped aluminum.

Agreed. Look at Apple, their next iPhone is rumored to be plastic, JUST LIKE THE GALAXY PHONES! Aluminum is terrible and looks terrible. Why make a phone out of cheap materials instead of high quality poly carbonate. I keep my GS2 in a case, but that's to protect it. It's higher quality than an iPhone 5 and can take more punishment than an iPhone 5.

iPad5
Apr 14, 2013, 04:18 PM
Agreed. Look at Apple, their next iPhone is rumored to be plastic, JUST LIKE THE GALAXY PHONES! Aluminum is terrible and looks terrible. Why make a phone out of cheap materials instead of high quality poly carbonate. I keep my GS2 in a case, but that's to protect it. It's higher quality than an iPhone 5 and can take more punishment than an iPhone 5.

Yeah, but you can't really show-off with it. Do you wanna attract girls or not??

And what if they want to iMessage or Facetime with you, you can't...

MacRumorUser
Apr 14, 2013, 04:22 PM
Yeah, but you can't really show-off with it. Do you wanna attract girls or not??

And what if they want to iMessage or Facetime with you, you can't...

Serious question.. How old are you ? 13 ?

Seriously if you think a phone is going to attract a girl you are in for a rather bumpy awakening.

iPad5
Apr 14, 2013, 04:35 PM
Serious question.. How old are you ? 13 ?

Seriously if you think a phone is going to attract a girl you are in for a rather bumpy awakening.

OK, let's talk about facts then... Apple iPhone users tend to be smarter and richer than Android users counterpart. Evidenced by this study...
Study: iPhones reach more news audience than Android phones by every measure (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/183669/study-iphones-reach-more-news-audience-than-android-phones-by-every-measure/)

0dev
Apr 14, 2013, 04:40 PM
Yeah, but you can't really show-off with it. Do you wanna attract girls or not??

And what if they want to iMessage or Facetime with you, you can't...

What if they want to BBM you? Better buy every smartphone just in case, maybe you can impress her by claiming you have all those phones for your drug dealing business :rolleyes:

iPad5
Apr 14, 2013, 04:43 PM
What if they want to BBM you? Better buy every smartphone just in case, maybe you can impress her by claiming you have all those phones for your drug dealing business :rolleyes:

BBM definitely sets Blackberry phones apart. But Android got nothing.. Android phones should be marketed for anti-social crowd really... No wonder HTC First won't sell very well.... An android phone targeting the social people, ain't gonna work!

MacRumorUser
Apr 14, 2013, 04:47 PM
OK, let's talk about facts then... Apple iPhone users tend to be smarter and richer than Android users counterpart. Evidenced by this study...
Study: iPhones reach more news audience than Android phones by every measure (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/183669/study-iphones-reach-more-news-audience-than-android-phones-by-every-measure/)

Ok so thats a yes then I take it. The fact you still think a girl woud be attracted to a man by what phone he uses is really abhorrent. That you would think people are so utterly vacuous and shallow. Well if they are the type you attract, good luck with that. :rolleyes:

----------

BBM definitely sets Blackberry phones apart. But Android got nothing.. Android phones should be marketed for anti-social crowd really...

How typically moribund statement... :rolleyes:

Its clear with your attitude and these posts you have absolutely no idea what irony is, let alone common sense and reasoned opinion.

bmac4
Apr 14, 2013, 05:47 PM
OK, let's talk about facts then... Apple iPhone users tend to be smarter and richer than Android users counterpart. Evidenced by this study...
Study: iPhones reach more news audience than Android phones by every measure (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/183669/study-iphones-reach-more-news-audience-than-android-phones-by-every-measure/)

You have to be a troll. No normal person in their right mind would make all the post you have.

Assault
Apr 14, 2013, 05:51 PM
Actually, I am starting to doubt the accuracy of this rumor. Knowing Samsung, the company would rather spend on marketing than R&D.

Yeah, because Apple spends so much on R&D. :rolleyes:

Samsung spends something like 6 or 7 times as much on R&D. They also spend a ton on marketing.

F123D
Apr 14, 2013, 05:54 PM
And what if they want to iMessage or Facetime with you, you can't...

Why, because their service is down? :D

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/12/imessage-again-down-for-some-users/

Assault
Apr 14, 2013, 05:57 PM
OK, let's talk about facts then... Apple iPhone users tend to be smarter and richer than Android users counterpart. Evidenced by this study...
Study: iPhones reach more news audience than Android phones by every measure (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/183669/study-iphones-reach-more-news-audience-than-android-phones-by-every-measure/)
Good god. :rolleyes: I have a study showing most iPhone users are 13 year old girls. Your statement kinda supports my findings.

kdarling
Apr 14, 2013, 08:35 PM
I, like most people (or at least the majority of iPhone owners according to Apple), buy an external case for my phone and rarely see the original materials.

So I'd be happy with a phone that's easy to hold, and is resistant to damage without needing to buy an optional case.

Heck, make it thin and waterproof and I don't care what material they use.

kiltedthrower
Apr 14, 2013, 10:52 PM
OK, let's talk about facts then... Apple iPhone users tend to be smarter and richer than Android users counterpart. Evidenced by this study...
Study: iPhones reach more news audience than Android phones by every measure (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/183669/study-iphones-reach-more-news-audience-than-android-phones-by-every-measure/)
I have a lot more high school and middle school students that use iPhone over an Android based device. I'd hardly consider that richer.

tech4all
Apr 15, 2013, 02:41 AM
Yes I know you were banned and can't reply to this, but maybe you can still read this.

I think you may have been hiding under a cave for the past few coupe of months. Just go to Youtube and search for a comparison between HTC One and SGS4. The majority of the comments on those videos are praising the HTC One and mockig the SGS4. The tide may have actually turned.

Yea that's how a company's success is judged...comments on random YouTube videos...

OK, let's talk about facts then... Apple iPhone users tend to be smarter and richer than Android users counterpart. Evidenced by this study...
Study: iPhones reach more news audience than Android phones by every measure (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/183669/study-iphones-reach-more-news-audience-than-android-phones-by-every-measure/)

You're funny! :D

strausd
Apr 15, 2013, 02:44 AM
Anybody else hoping the Nexus 5 or X Phone has an aluminum casing like the HTC One?

bmac4
Apr 15, 2013, 06:46 AM
Anybody else hoping the Nexus 5 or X Phone has an aluminum casing like the HTC One?

No thank you. Unless it is super strong I want none of it. The crap aluminum Apple put on the iPhone 5 has left a bad taste in my mouth. I am not even using my iPhone 5 right now as a phone just an iPod. Never dropped it or anything. Just looked at it about 5 minutes ago and it has a chip on the corner. Unless they can make better aluminum than that I want none of it.

JHUFrank
Apr 15, 2013, 07:17 AM
Ugh, that amorphous term, "Build quality" again. I absolutely loved my first week with my HTC One X, seemed well put together, decent battery, great at phone calls. Where it went south was with software quality. HTC in my purely subjective opinion, just doesnt do as well on their os and skin, as Samsung does. iOS is even better, but the iphone is stuck in a huge hardware rut.

adder7712
Apr 15, 2013, 07:33 AM
Yet, no one has complained about the plastic iPhone 3G/3GS.

MacRumorUser
Apr 15, 2013, 07:35 AM
Yet, no one has complained about the plastic iPhone 3G/3GS.

There was plastic and metal ;) as long as there's a touch of aluminium or chrome it keeps people happy :)

paulsalter
Apr 15, 2013, 07:41 AM
Never been a consideration of mine when buying a phone, I look to see if it has the features I want

I always have a case on them, so the material is irrelevant

adder7712
Apr 15, 2013, 07:41 AM
There was plastic and metal ;) as long as there's a touch of aluminium or chrome it keeps people happy :)

But...but... The S II had a chrome edge yet people claim its build quality is shoddy. :confused:

Anyway, I do agree that materials do not equate in build quality. I agree Samsung has chosen a questionable array of materials for their phones but they are put well together. My "plastic" S III doesn't feel like it's going to shatter and from what I've heard, the phone's structure is essentially a magnesium-based alloy.

I could name a few things that are aluminium yet they feel like it's going to fall apart.

MacRumorUser
Apr 15, 2013, 08:10 AM
The S4 to me despite being similar to the S3 - feels a lot better in the hand than the S3, and it whilst it doesn't feel cheap - I still would have preferred some thing more substantial whether that being the fake chrome edge, being actual chrome, or perhaps a few extra grams to me wouldn't go amiss.

Actually weight to me is an issue (design wise) as they run to make phones lighter & lighter, I actually prefer something that feels a little weightier than really light. The 4S to me feels more sturdy than the iPhone 5 for example, simply down to the 20g extra. I'm not a big fan of making things too light and too thin.

Irishman
Apr 15, 2013, 08:35 AM
I somehow doubt Sammy cares about HTC. They're basically a no one right now

Not smart, because Facebook Home is going to be appearing in just an HTC phone. That will build buzz about the name.

0dev
Apr 15, 2013, 09:01 AM
Not smart, because Facebook Home is going to be appearing in just an HTC phone. That will build buzz about the name.

Implying anyone gives a crap about Facebook Home :p

Besides, it's on the Play Store for most popular smartphones to download already and there's patched APKs that run on any Android phone.

JaySoul
Apr 15, 2013, 09:42 AM
Posted my thoughts on the HTC One in the main thread.

To be honest, I can see that Samsung would compare the One with the S4 in terms of build quality, as the One is truly stunning and gets almost everything right...

Except, as someone else says, the user experience. The Power Button/Wake Button issue proved too annoying for me, and I sold my One.

I'll be waiting for an S4 now, it is clear to me that user experience is king.

MacRumorUser
Apr 15, 2013, 10:00 AM
Posted my thoughts on the HTC One in the main thread.

To be honest, I can see that Samsung would compare the One with the S4 in terms of build quality, as the One is truly stunning and gets almost everything right...

Except, as someone else says, the user experience. The Power Button/Wake Button issue proved too annoying for me, and I sold my One.

I'll be waiting for an S4 now, it is clear to me that user experience is king.

Let us know your impressions of the S4 when you get it :)

----------

Implying anyone gives a crap about Facebook Home :p

Only 900 million people seemingly ;) If only 10% are willing to try and give facebook home a spin that's 90 million users. As many as Samsung hopes to sell an S4 to.

maxosx
Apr 15, 2013, 10:08 AM
I think you may have been hiding under a cave for the past few coupe of months. Just go to Youtube and search for a comparison between HTC One and SGS4. The majority of the comments on those videos are praising the HTC One and mockig the SGS4. The tide may have actually turned.

I really like what HTC was doing when they first entered the smartphone business. They sold very nicely designed units through Verizon. Over the last 18 months their decline as a company just proves how competitive this market is.

It's good to see they are producing a new higher quality model, yet there's no way that it trumps all that Samsung has done. No matter what one thinks of Samsungs choice of plastic, they are in a very strong position.

0dev
Apr 15, 2013, 10:09 AM
Only 900 million people seemingly ;) If only 10% are willing to try and give facebook home a spin that's 90 million users. As many as Samsung hopes to sell an S4 to.

You are assuming all of Facebook's open accounts are:

a) Representative of active, real users

b) Owners of Android devices

c) Users of Facebook on those devices

d) Care enough about Facebook to install it all over their homescreen

Let's put it this way. I have an account on MacRumours. I like MacRumours. But would I install a MacRumours launcher on my phone? Hell no.

Same goes for any other social network and I'm sure many others agree. Just because Facebook has a lot of accounts registered, it doesn't mean there's a lot of real users who will let Facebook take over their phones.

To use a more apt comparison, Apple has a lot of customers, but they still sold very few first gen Apple TVs. It doesn't matter if it's from a big company with a lot of popularity, if it's a crap product there's no market demand for, people won't use it (although for the record I personally liked the first Apple TV far better than the current ones).

Dontazemebro
Apr 15, 2013, 10:20 AM
One thing I do give credit to samsung for is that they listen to their consumer base. Now if HTC could follow suite and give us better battery performance and the option between sense and non-sense enabled devices, the android world would be a much better place.

Dontazemebro
Apr 15, 2013, 10:31 AM
I really like what HTC was doing when they first entered the smartphone business. They sold very nicely designed units through Verizon. Over the last 18 months their decline as a company just proves how competitive this market is.

It's good to see they are producing a new higher quality model, yet there's no way that it trumps all that Samsung has done. No matter what one thinks of Samsungs choice of plastic, they are in a very strong position.

My dude, you do know HTC made the Palm Treo (way before the debut of the iPhone), they were the first to introduce touch screen devices, created the pocket PC, PDAs, and even the slide out keyboard before anyone even started using the word, smartphone.

Honestly they're one of the oldest players in the game.

maxosx
Apr 15, 2013, 10:49 AM
My dude, you do know HTC made the Palm Treo (way before the debut of the iPhone), they were the first to introduce touch screen devices, created the pocket PC, PDAs, and even the slide out keyboard before anyone even started using the word, smartphone.

Honestly they're one of the oldest players in the game.

Yeah dude I knew that. The Palm Treo was a good product, I had a few.

Fast forward to today, we're talking top of the line smartphones. Yesterday is history, it's the present that matters.

Dontazemebro
Apr 15, 2013, 10:58 AM
Yeah dude I knew that. The Palm Treo was a good product, I had a few.

Fast forward to today, we're talking top of the line smartphones. Yesterday is history, it's the present that matters.

OK, from your post it looked like you said they just started making phones when they came out with the Verizon 'DROID' branded line, but yes I agree with you.

Saturn1217
Apr 15, 2013, 11:39 AM
No one is arguing that Samsung needs to use aluminum in their next phone.

What they do need to do is get a bit more creative with their design and materials.

I mean the $25 calculator I bought 5 years ago at staples uses higher grade plastic than the GS1, 2 ,3 & 4 (all of which used the same flimsy very glossy plastic regardless of the poly-carbonate moniker that samsung began to use with the GS3).

I really like the GS4 btw and if the reviews pan out it is definitely on my list. But that doesn't mean I can't see areas where samsung clearly has room for improvement.

I'm sure they want to respond to this criticism BEFORE it starts impacting sales rather than after.

maxosx
Apr 15, 2013, 01:53 PM
No one is arguing that Samsung needs to use aluminum in their next phone.

What they do need to do is get a bit more creative with their design and materials.

I mean the $25 calculator I bought 5 years ago at staples uses higher grade plastic than the GS1, 2 ,3 & 4 (all of which used the same flimsy very glossy plastic regardless of the poly-carbonate moniker that samsung began to use with the GS3).

I really like the GS4 btw and if the reviews pan out it is definitely on my list. But that doesn't mean I can't see areas where samsung clearly has room for improvement.

I'm sure they want to respond to this criticism BEFORE it starts impacting sales rather than after.

I've been using "plastic" phones of all types, from various manufacturers for years. Not once has the material the phones made out of caused me a problem. Functionality & usefulness are what matters. Hence Apple's worn out slogan "it just works".

Only snob appeal and Apples high profile headline grabbing marketing pitches are what influence others. An entire industry of accessories such as diamond encrusted iPhone cases & other such nonsense, only exists in AppleLand.

To the big ego vanity driven, good for them.

To those who care less what they're "seen with" plastic vs. glass or aluminum or whatever... the choice of materials is not a deal breaker. It's just a talking point that's quickly dismissed.

bmac4
Apr 15, 2013, 02:20 PM
No one is arguing that Samsung needs to use aluminum in their next phone.

What they do need to do is get a bit more creative with their design and materials.

I mean the $25 calculator I bought 5 years ago at staples uses higher grade plastic than the GS1, 2 ,3 & 4 (all of which used the same flimsy very glossy plastic regardless of the poly-carbonate moniker that samsung began to use with the GS3).

I really like the GS4 btw and if the reviews pan out it is definitely on my list. But that doesn't mean I can't see areas where samsung clearly has room for improvement.

I'm sure they want to respond to this criticism BEFORE it starts impacting sales rather than after.

The plastics you speak of seem to be working just fine. I have never once has a problem with Samsung made smart phones. I am not sure their sales will ever be affected by them using plastic. If it has worked thus far why cant it keep working? Each year their sales on the galaxy line of phones have gone up. I think the only people complaining are Apple fans. Samsung is not selling phoned to them, and most likely never will.

Irishman
Apr 15, 2013, 04:58 PM
Implying anyone gives a crap about Facebook Home :p

Besides, it's on the Play Store for most popular smartphones to download already and there's patched APKs that run on any Android phone.

Only a billion people, sir. (To be fair, I am not one of them).

Irishman
Apr 15, 2013, 05:09 PM
IHence Apple's worn out slogan "it just works".

Apple would agree with you, that's why they stopped using it.

bmac4
Apr 15, 2013, 05:40 PM
Apple would agree with you, that's why they stopped using it.

Well and the fact that it is not true for everyone.

Irishman
Apr 15, 2013, 08:48 PM
Well and the fact that it is not true for everyone.

You are incorrect.

bmac4
Apr 15, 2013, 08:55 PM
You are incorrect.

So the iPhone works for everyone? You are crazy if you think that. It does not fit my needs, so in turn it does not work for me. How can you tell me that it works for me?

jamojamo
Apr 15, 2013, 09:00 PM
Never been a consideration of mine when buying a phone, I look to see if it has the features I want

I always have a case on them, so the material is irrelevant

I feel the same way, although I don't have an aversion to any material but I am a little gun-shy about a glass back.

Vegastouch
Apr 16, 2013, 02:20 AM
True or not, it wouldn't hurt Samsung the least bit to start making more premium feeling devices.

Imagine if the S4 metal bands around the device were actually metal. Why not?

I actually dont care for aluminum backs. They are just so slippery and dent easy. I am completely fine with a plastic removable back. I can easily find multiple other backs to replace it or just change it and they are cheap, or it has a case on it anyways.
Havent had a case n my GS3 though for a 3-4 months because the battery cover has leather on it.

roxxette
Apr 16, 2013, 03:48 AM
Glad OP is finally banned.

Irishman
Apr 16, 2013, 06:50 AM
So the iPhone works for everyone? You are crazy if you think that. It does not fit my needs, so in turn it does not work for me. How can you tell me that it works for me?

Strawman. Apple never once used the "It just works" slogan for the iPhone in ads. Further, they didn't stop using that ad campaign because all of a sudden, whoops, Apple gear isn't simple to use anymore! They stopped using it because they moved on to another ad campaign.

Do I really have to explain such simple things to you??

bmac4
Apr 16, 2013, 07:54 AM
Strawman. Apple never once used the "It just works" slogan for the iPhone in ads. Further, they didn't stop using that ad campaign because all of a sudden, whoops, Apple gear isn't simple to use anymore! They stopped using it because they moved on to another ad campaign.

Do I really have to explain such simple things to you??

I was not the one who said they stopped or why. I was simply pointing out the fact that slogan is not true for everyone. I could careless or started it or why it was stopped. So no you don't need to explain anything to me.

Zwhaler
Apr 22, 2013, 01:43 PM
I guess their pre-order numbers for the SGS4 are far below their expectations?

I'm not sure what their expectations were but the pre orders were 4x higher than the S3 http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/120115-samsung-galaxy-s4-pre-orders

tjl3
Apr 22, 2013, 02:20 PM
I'm not sure what their expectations were but the pre orders were 4x higher than the S3 http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/120115-samsung-galaxy-s4-pre-orders

-_- a little bit more research will show that pre-registration ~= pre-order. I pre-registered on carphone warehouse and all that meant was that they send me a message when it becomes available for pre-order. You could pre-order one too with a down payment.

Kashsystems
Apr 22, 2013, 04:01 PM
Build quality matters up to a point, as long as the phone does not fall apart easily plastic versus metal doesn't matter as much. To be features are more important.

For example I believe this is a really big selling point. I see a lot of complaints about the lack of better integration with Evernote and the Note2.

If Samsung and Evernote would collaborate together for an Evernote user like myself, this would lead to one thing.


http://www.polishtheconsole.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg

Zwhaler
Apr 23, 2013, 12:22 AM
-_- a little bit more research will show that pre-registration ~= pre-order. I pre-registered on carphone warehouse and all that meant was that they send me a message when it becomes available for pre-order. You could pre-order one too with a down payment.

True, headline was misleading.

spinedoc77
Apr 23, 2013, 08:04 PM
I've been using "plastic" phones of all types, from various manufacturers for years. Not once has the material the phones made out of caused me a problem. Functionality & usefulness are what matters. Hence Apple's worn out slogan "it just works".

Only snob appeal and Apples high profile headline grabbing marketing pitches are what influence others. An entire industry of accessories such as diamond encrusted iPhone cases & other such nonsense, only exists in AppleLand.

To the big ego vanity driven, good for them.

To those who care less what they're "seen with" plastic vs. glass or aluminum or whatever... the choice of materials is not a deal breaker. It's just a talking point that's quickly dismissed.

See this is going too far in the other direction and saying that aesthetics have no value at all except to be a "snob" and feel better than the guy next to you. Personally while I don't value aesthetics as number 1 on my list for a smartphone, I do value it for myself and not for others. It's not a question of ego, it's just something intangible about having something that feels like it's quality, like having a fine watch for the sake of how it was made and functions.

I went from an iphone 5 to a Note 2 and sometimes I miss the feel of the iphone 5, it doesn't mean I want one to be a "snob", it just has that intangible heft and solidness that the note 2 does not have, completely aside from the software portion of it.

I think it's very misguided to just label some consumers love of aesthetics as them being "snobs".

maxosx
Apr 23, 2013, 09:47 PM
I think it's very misguided to just label some consumers love of aesthetics as them being "snobs".

It's all a matter of perception. In my case functionality is of greater importance than the material a phone is made of.

Here's the opposing view that others have. There's lots more where these came from.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1447957

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1443603

ChrisTX
Apr 23, 2013, 09:58 PM
My dude, you do know HTC made the Palm Treo (way before the debut of the iPhone), they were the first to introduce touch screen devices, created the pocket PC, PDAs, and even the slide out keyboard before anyone even started using the word, smartphone.

Honestly they're one of the oldest players in the game.

Serious question, but didn't the Apple Newton come before all of those devices?

mib1800
Apr 23, 2013, 10:20 PM
S

I went from an iphone 5 to a Note 2 and sometimes I miss the feel of the iphone 5, it doesn't mean I want one to be a "snob", it just has that intangible heft and solidness that the note 2 does not have, completely aside from the software portion of it.

I think it's very misguided to just label some consumers love of aesthetics as them being "snobs".

What heft and solidness? Tap on the back of iphone5 it still gives the same hollow sound. Press with all your might on Note2 anywhere and it doesnt give way. Bend you ip5 and i bet it will bend easier than the Note2.

It is just your (false) perception. :p

spinedoc77
Apr 23, 2013, 10:42 PM
It's all a matter of perception. In my case functionality is of greater importance than the material a phone is made of.

Here's the opposing view that others have. There's lots more where these came from.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1447957

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1443603

You can have functionality AND an aesthetically pleasing phone. Certainly you are correct that its all perception anyhow, I'm sure many find the notes plastic exterior aesthetically more pleasing than the iPhones. I think its missing the point though, valuing aesthetics as PART of why you want to buy a phone is ok and not snobbish, similar to buying anything of value. No one is saying its the main reason.

----------

What heft and solidness? Tap on the back of iphone5 it still gives the same hollow sound. Press with all your might on Note2 anywhere and it doesnt give way. Bend you ip5 and i bet it will bend easier than the Note2.

It is just your (false) perception. :p

Its no more false than your perception, both subjective experiences based on what we value and find aesthetically pleasing.

maxosx
Apr 24, 2013, 06:03 AM
You can have functionality AND an aesthetically pleasing phone. Certainly you are correct that its all perception anyhow, I'm sure many find the notes plastic exterior aesthetically more pleasing than the iPhones. I think its missing the point though, valuing aesthetics as PART of why you want to buy a phone is ok and not snobbish, similar to buying anything of value. No one is saying its the main reason.

Points well taken. :)

Dustman
Apr 27, 2013, 08:25 AM
Having actually played with the S4 a few times in conferences and training, the build quality isn't actually all that bad. Its significantly more premium feeling than a GS3, or even the Note 2. The back has a slight texture as well which takes away from that shiny cheap feel.

Also, I am a Note 2 owner, and would rather see them shrink the body down keeping the 5.5 inch screen rather than throw a 6 inch screen on it. The phone is big enough.

I'd love to see HTC succeed over Samsung any day. But they need to spend more on marketing. Their phones have been better than Samsungs for a while now, but they aren't throwing their name out there, or reaching out to carriers to push their product.