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Apr 16, 2013, 03:38 PM
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Apple today updated both of its photo editing and management platforms. Aperture (http://appshopper.com/mac/photography/aperture) has been updated to version 3.4.4 while iPhoto (http://appshopper.com/mac/photography/iphoto) has been updated to version 9.4.3. The updates contain several bug fixes and stability improvements and can be downloaded via the Mac App Store or Software Update.

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Aperture 3.4.4:-Addresses an issue that could cause Aperture to quit unexpectedly during image import
-Nikon P7700 RAW images are now displayed correctly in the Import window
-Thumbnails with version names longer than 250 characters are now displayed correctly
-Fixes an issue that could cause multiple warning dialogs to appear when web albums are synced after waking from sleep
-Addresses an issue that could cause Aperture to quit unexpectedly when uploading photos to Photo Stream
-Shared Photo Stream invitation lists now scroll correctly
-Includes stability and performance improvements
iPhoto 9.4.3:-Photos can now be deleted from My Photo Stream by dragging to the Trash
-Photos can now be exported from Photo Stream using the Export command in the File menu
-RAW images manually imported from My Photo Stream are now editable
-Fixes a bug that could cause manually-rotated photos to appear unrotated when shared to Photo Stream
-Addresses an issue that could cause iPhoto to quit unexpectedly while syncing to Facebook
-Resolves an issue that could cause calendar text to appear at the wrong font size, resulting in order cancellation
-Fixes an issue that could cause books to have an incorrect number of pages after rearranging two-page spreads
-Includes stability improvementsAperture is available for $79.99 (http://appshopper.com/mac/photography/aperture) on the Mac App Store. [Direct Link (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id408981426?mt=12)]

iPhoto is available for $14.99 (http://appshopper.com/mac/photography/iphoto) on the Mac App Store. [Direct Link (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id408981381?mt=12)]

Article Link: Aperture and iPhoto Updated with Performance Enhancements and Bug Fixes (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/16/aperture-and-iphoto-updated-with-performance-enhancements-and-bug-fixes/)



Razeus
Apr 16, 2013, 03:44 PM
LOL, no RAW support for the 7100 Apple?

This is not the update Aperture users are looking for...

kwikdeth
Apr 16, 2013, 03:46 PM
LOL, no RAW support for the 7100 Apple?

This is not the update Aperture users are looking for...

Was just gonna post on the lack of D7100 support...

Jacquesvw
Apr 16, 2013, 03:47 PM
Glad to see Apple didn't completely forget about Aperture. I guess the Lightroom announcement reminded them...

e-coli
Apr 16, 2013, 03:49 PM
Must be in response to the Lightroom 5 beta announcement. ;)

Johnchapin
Apr 16, 2013, 03:54 PM
What if I buy A3 now. How long, if any, will A4 be a free upgrade? :confused:

convergent
Apr 16, 2013, 04:09 PM
must be in response to the lightroom 5 beta announcement. ;)

rofl

jadot
Apr 16, 2013, 04:32 PM
What if I buy A3 now. How long, if any, will A4 be a free upgrade? :confused:

Just buy Aperture 3, and put a little away every month for the next few years - you'll be able to pay for Aperture 4 when it's released then, and likely have some money left over...

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In the wake of Adobe's announcement, Apple's next instalment of the Aperture upgrade cycle debacle is perilously close to farcical.

manu chao
Apr 16, 2013, 04:34 PM
LOL, no RAW support for the 7100 Apple?

This is not the update Aperture users are looking for...

Can you tell me when was the last time that an Aperture update contained raw support for new cameras?

gusnyc
Apr 16, 2013, 04:36 PM
I really thought Aperture was going to be left to die. Before this update the performance was horrendous. I have to say that in the first 10 minutes or use after the update there is a big improvement in performance.

But I think Aperture is lagging behind Lightroom. I downloaded the beta yesterday, and some of the functionality is very impressive.

I can only wish Apple is taking Aperture seriously. Photostream is a big deal to me. If I move to Lightroom, I will miss it tremendously.

Razeus
Apr 16, 2013, 04:48 PM
Can you tell me when was the last time that an Aperture update contained raw support for new cameras?

Sure. Never. Does that mean Apple couldn't put out the compatibility update out with the rest of their updates today? Especially updates that pertain to iPhoto and Aperture. That's just me thinking logically.

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I really thought Aperture was going to be left to die. Before this update the performance was horrendous. I have to say that in the first 10 minutes or use after the update there is a big improvement in performance.

But I think Aperture is lagging behind Lightroom. I downloaded the beta yesterday, and some of the functionality is very impressive.

I can only wish Apple is taking Aperture seriously. Photostream is a big deal to me. If I move to Lightroom, I will miss it tremendously.

Why would you miss it? You can configure LR to export to iPhoto and have configure iPhoto to automatically put new photos in Photostream.

manu chao
Apr 16, 2013, 04:49 PM
Sure. Never. Does that mean Apple couldn't put out the compatibility update out with the rest of their updates today? Especially updates that pertain to iPhoto and Aperture. That's just me thinking logically.
Let me rephrase, when was the last time Apple released an Aperture update and a raw support update on the same day?

Razeus
Apr 16, 2013, 04:51 PM
Let me rephrase, when was the last time Apple released an Aperture update and a raw support update on the same day?

Now you're just reaching for an argument. :rolleyes:

manu chao
Apr 16, 2013, 05:09 PM
Now you're just reaching for an argument. :rolleyes:
My point is that is unrealistic to expect a raw support update on the same day as an application update. Thus everybody who is disappointed by no raw support update appearing today, was having unrealistically high expectations and was setting him or herself up for that.

zedsdead
Apr 16, 2013, 05:10 PM
Apples mac apps are all in serious need of updates.

Namely, iWork, Aperture, and Logic.

People still use their Macs for professional use.

EarlR
Apr 16, 2013, 05:13 PM
Oh, Joy! I just purchased iPhoto Library Manager to solve some of the issues resolved in the update!

Chupa Chupa
Apr 16, 2013, 05:37 PM
Now you're just reaching for an argument. :rolleyes:

My point is that is unrealistic to expect a raw support update on the same day as an application update. Thus everybody who is disappointed by no raw support update appearing today, was having unrealistically high expectations and was setting him or herself up for that.


You are 100% correct manu chao given that Adobe updated Aperture weeks ago with RAW support for the 7100. This is ridiculous.

mrow
Apr 16, 2013, 06:01 PM
When is Apple going to support delta updates for its own Apps? Having to download a 1.12GB file for 8 minor fixes to iPhoto is ridiculous.

JohnDoe98
Apr 16, 2013, 06:43 PM
When is Apple going to support delta updates for its own Apps? Having to download a 1.12GB file for 8 minor fixes to iPhoto is ridiculous.

My iPhoto update was 177mbs. Wonder why urs was 1.12gb...

bedifferent
Apr 16, 2013, 06:49 PM
Oh, Joy! I just purchased iPhoto Library Manager to solve some of the issues resolved in the update!

It's a great app to use, don't worry, it'll come in handy :)

ghostface147
Apr 16, 2013, 07:01 PM
Sweet! It fixed the photos in events being out of order on my phone.

phoenixsan
Apr 16, 2013, 09:28 PM
see, sometime, a full fledged version of Aperture? Not an iOS one nor a fiasco as the initial FCPX....

Hope sometimes dies hard....:(:o

:):apple:

BlueParadox
Apr 16, 2013, 09:51 PM
My iPhoto update was 177mbs. Wonder why urs was 1.12gb...

I think the 1.12gb size was a combined update for the Aperture, iPhoto, and Safari. Perhaps 177mb was for iPhoto only...?

gusnyc
Apr 16, 2013, 10:40 PM
Sure. Never. Does that mean Apple couldn't put out the compatibility update out with the rest of their updates today? Especially updates that pertain to iPhoto and Aperture. That's just me thinking logically.

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Why would you miss it? You can configure LR to export to iPhoto and have configure iPhoto to automatically put new photos in Photostream.

Can you configure Lightroom to share the library with Aperture or to export to Aperture instead of iPhoto?

fangsunflower
Apr 17, 2013, 02:57 AM
Image (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/16/aperture-and-iphoto-updated-with-performance-enhancements-and-bug-fixes/)


Apple today updated both of its photo editing and management platforms. Aperture (http://appshopper.com/mac/photography/aperture) has been updated to version 3.4.4 while iPhoto (http://appshopper.com/mac/photography/iphoto) has been updated to version 9.4.3. The updates contain several bug fixes and stability improvements and can be downloaded via the Mac App Store or Software Update.

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/11/iphotoaperture.jpg)

Aperture 3.4.4:
iPhoto 9.4.3:Aperture is available for $79.99 (http://appshopper.com/mac/photography/aperture) on the Mac App Store. [Direct Link (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id408981426?mt=12)]

iPhoto is available for $14.99 (http://appshopper.com/mac/photography/iphoto) on the Mac App Store. [Direct Link (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id408981381?mt=12)]

Article Link: Aperture and iPhoto Updated with Performance Enhancements and Bug Fixes (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/16/aperture-and-iphoto-updated-with-performance-enhancements-and-bug-fixes/)

glad to hear this, i like iphone!!

cambox
Apr 17, 2013, 04:03 AM
If Apple are indeed going to continue with their own software they need to make a statement to that fact. No one can believe that Apple are now serious about their software, the writings on the wall and its about time people woke up to this.

Apple make hardware and their own OS to service THEIR hardware, they did make software but are obviously making an exit from this. A few have said that software companies obviously make more updates and versions as they are software companies only.. Exactly! Apple did make some fab software but its old and flaky and not current. Do you want the list?

Wake up and make provision to move libraries of data as you will be left using outdated software and in some cases hardware (Mac Pro). I love apple but enough is enough.

LV426
Apr 17, 2013, 04:24 AM
LOL, no RAW support for the 7100 Apple?

This is not the update Aperture users are looking for...

Camera RAW updates are issued independently of Aperture. And quite rightly so.

Brenster
Apr 17, 2013, 04:28 AM
If Apple are indeed going to continue with their own software they need to make a statement to that fact. No one can believe that Apple are now serious about their software, the writings on the wall and its about time people woke up to this.

Apple make hardware and their own OS to service THEIR hardware, they did make software but are obviously making an exit from this. A few have said that software companies obviously make more updates and versions as they are software companies only.. Exactly! Apple did make some fab software but its old and flaky and not current. Do you want the list?

Wake up and make provision to move libraries of data as you will be left using outdated software and in some cases hardware (Mac Pro). I love apple but enough is enough.

Agreed on this. I bought in on iWork '08 to use for light Office use and to keep track of the household finances with Numbers. The iCloud-centricity of iWork '09 is fine as long as you never want or need to leave the Apple ecosystem. I know I could export documents for mailing etc but this is a pain and soon gives rise to version control problems.

Whilst MS Office '11 for mac is a bit bloaty and takes much longer to load up than Numbers '08 the Skydrive functionality is pretty impressive in terms of sharing, browsing docs from the iOS Skydrive app etc. If the next itteration of Mac Office goes 'Skydrive first' as Office 2013 for Windows has then I'm switching outright.

I'm still using the email, calendaring and Photostream functions of iCloud as my account and usage goes back to the .Mac days with Tiger. Between Microsoft's Skydrive/Office and Google's fantastic iOS Maps and YouTube applications Apple is starting to look a little behind the times. I've high hopes that iWork will take a 'great leap forward' and be less Apple eco system bound and that Apple can come up with a Google Now competitor. Time will tell.

Macman45
Apr 17, 2013, 04:36 AM
First Aperture update that actually DOES improve performance....I've got noticeably faster load times after the installation.:)

RoelJuun
Apr 17, 2013, 06:15 AM
I still hate it, that you can't drag a photo from Finder into an event. iPhoto imports the photo, takes you to 'last import', you have to go to the new event, cut the photo and paste it in the right eventů

Macman45
Apr 17, 2013, 06:50 AM
I still hate it, that you can't drag a photo from Finder into an event. iPhoto imports the photo, takes you to 'last import', you have to go to the new event, cut the photo and paste it in the right eventů

I can't comment on iPhoto as I don't use it, but have friends that do...will take a look after they update.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 17, 2013, 07:27 AM
Camera RAW updates are issued independently of Aperture. And quite rightly so.

Still no excuse for it to not have been released yet. Adobe did so nearly two weeks ago.

John.B
Apr 17, 2013, 10:06 AM
Aperture 3 was released three years ago, Apple. Three. Years. Ago.

All Aperture 4 would need to implement to clean Adobe's Lightroom clock would be to add proper built-in layers support (God knows Adobe won't cannibalize Photoshop sales by adding it to Lightroom). But instead Apple puts out yet-another point release with a few performance enhancements.

Edit: For everyone complaining about Raw support for their favorite camera, Apple publishes Camera Raw updates separately from iPhoto and Aperture updates -- which is the one thing they seem to be doing right vs. Adobe Lightroom.

atari1356
Apr 17, 2013, 10:08 AM
Aperture isn't showing up in software update for me yet... I purchased a retail box copy before the Mac App Store existed. :confused:

UPDATE: I found a separate update installer here: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1649?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

LV426
Apr 17, 2013, 10:20 AM
Still no excuse for it to not have been released yet. Adobe did so nearly two weeks ago.

Bully for Adobe. The D7100 is a very new camera. As I recall, its existence was only announced to the world in late February. This being the case, I don't really think you have grounds for complaint. Maybe Apple put more effort into testing than Adobe, which takes time.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 17, 2013, 01:40 PM
Bully for Adobe. The D7100 is a very new camera. As I recall, its existence was only announced to the world in late February. This being the case, I don't really think you have grounds for complaint. Maybe Apple put more effort into testing than Adobe, which takes time.

Oh, don't be such an Apple apologist. It's doesn't flatter you. Given that I want to be able to edit in RAW I d'led the LR4 trial. It works fine with the D7100's RAW files so I don't know what Apple could do to better test them than Adobe did. It's a RAW file. Either a program can read it or not. I haven't noticed any bugs in LR's treatment of the the files.

Face it, Apple is slow on this one. Sure it's a new camera, but it's a popular one, in many hands now. Apple could have released sooner if it wanted but clearly it's not a priority.

Hopefully support will be available by the time the 30 day trial expires. I don't really want to switch to LR as I've invested a lot of time in Aperture and like the work flow.

LV426
Apr 17, 2013, 02:40 PM
Oh, don't be such an Apple apologist. It's doesn't flatter you. Given that I want to be able to edit in RAW I d'led the LR4 trial. It works fine with the D7100's RAW files so I don't know what Apple could do to better test them than Adobe did. It's a RAW file. Either a program can read it or not. I haven't noticed any bugs in LR's treatment of the the files.

Face it, Apple is slow on this one. Sure it's a new camera, but it's a popular one, in many hands now. Apple could have released sooner if it wanted but clearly it's not a priority.

Hopefully support will be available by the time the 30 day trial expires. I don't really want to switch to LR as I've invested a lot of time in Aperture and like the work flow.

Now you're being silly. Interpreting RAW data isn't just a matter of reading a file.

So you want Apple to jump like a frog because you have your hands on a newly released camera and you want OS X to interpret its unique RAW format because that's the way you want to work and you happen to have it in your hands now?

How about I don't want to be bugged by your camera raw update and others appearing as a download as soon as a new camera appears on the market?

You're dead right your camera is not a priority for Apple. But they will get around to it soon enough.

John.B
Apr 17, 2013, 02:50 PM
It's a RAW file. Either a program can read it or not. I haven't noticed any bugs in LR's treatment of the the files.

In the not too distant past, Adobe has struggled with orange skin hues in their Raw converters. Just sayin'...

jms969
Apr 17, 2013, 03:59 PM
Supported by Digital Camera RAW Compatibility Update 4.05*

Fujifilm X20
Fujifilm X100S
Fujifilm X-E1
Fujifilm X-Pro1

Seriously??? No Nikon D7100 support???

Come on Apple, I am moving to Lightroom...

manu chao
Apr 17, 2013, 04:04 PM
Oh, don't be such an Apple apologist. It's doesn't flatter you. Given that I want to be able to edit in RAW I d'led the LR4 trial. It works fine with the D7100's RAW files so I don't know what Apple could do to better test them than Adobe did. It's a RAW file. Either a program can read it or not. I haven't noticed any bugs in LR's treatment of the the files.

Face it, Apple is slow on this one. Sure it's a new camera, but it's a popular one, in many hands now. Apple could have released sooner if it wanted but clearly it's not a priority.

How many raw updates does Adobe release per year and how many does Apple release? Adobe might be on average a few weeks faster but even Adobe does not release new updates every month (which they could if it were a priority for them).

Here is an old list of raw support updates from Apple: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aperture_(software)&oldid=332377765#Raw_support_history, if you are convinced that Adobe is much faster, it should be easy for you to wip up a comparison when Adobe added support for these and how Apple should on average three times as long as Apple.

PastFuture
Apr 18, 2013, 01:36 AM
39 comments?! It's really sad to see that there are only so few people rooting for an update to Aperture left on this forum.

Then again, maybe all the others have already moved on.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 18, 2013, 06:46 AM
So you want Apple to jump like a frog because you have your hands on a newly released camera and you want OS X to interpret its unique RAW format because that's the way you want to work and you happen to have it in your hands now?...

You're dead right your camera is not a priority for Apple. But they will get around to it soon enough.

Jump like a frog? Heck I'd settle for run like an 80 y.o. man. Look, Adobe has been, there, done that, so what I expect as a consumer is for Apple to match its competitors at least within a week. To suggest Apple will "get around to it," is a rather arrogant position, even for Apple. Or maybe it just doesn't have the talent in this field it once had to be able to push out a simple RAW update.

If, as you say, my camera... and everyone else's, is not a priority for Apple then it needs to get out of the prosumer photo editing business and let us customers move on (not that we aren't getting the hint even now). I use Aperture because of trust in Apple, but when it drags its feet like this (again using Adobe as the benchmark) it's like its send users a message with middle finger fully outstretched as others are folded in.

It's not just me, sorry. There are tons of D7100 users out there waiting on Apple, and tons of other camera users waiting every time a new camera is released.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 18, 2013, 07:04 AM
Here is an old list of raw support updates from Apple:

Operative word here is old. This is all several years old when Aperture was better than or at least on par w/ LR. I'm talking recent history.

I'm not alone here in my frustation w/ Apple's handling of Aperture. Scott Bourne is a professional photographer, unlike me, but also a huge Apple fan, as I am. Here is his (http://photofocus.com/2012/05/29/heres-why-im-seriously-considering-a-permanent-switch-to-adobe-lightroom/) frustration with Apple and Aperture. He did eventually switch to LR4.

gusnyc
Apr 18, 2013, 01:18 PM
Yes, I like Aperture, but I think it just fell from Apple's radar. I am glad this update helps with the performance, but something like auto-stitching and lens correction would be great.

Like somebody said, Aperture 3 was launched 3 years ago. I think it is ready for a big overhaul.

LV426
Apr 18, 2013, 01:21 PM
Apple ... needs to get out of the prosumer photo editing business and let us customers move on.


Cheerio, then. I'm sure you'll be sorely missed by the OS X development team. But probably not enough that they'll throw in the towel!

Seriously, any sensible update policy has to bundle up changes so that users don't get bugged by a constant drip-feed of changes. That's life, I'm afraid. Your moaning won't change Apple's release schedule, so you'd be better off putting your energy into other things.

My D800 hasn't been out that long, but I was not daft enough to buy it as soon as it appeared on the market. I gave it a bit of time for a) the price to drop and b) get mainstream support from the likes of Apple.

jms969
Apr 18, 2013, 09:47 PM
39 comments?! It's really sad to see that there are only so few people rooting for an update to Aperture left on this forum.

Then again, maybe all the others have already moved on.

I did yesterday...

jms969
Apr 18, 2013, 10:08 PM
Now you're being silly. Interpreting RAW data isn't just a matter of reading a file.

So you want Apple to jump like a frog because you have your hands on a newly released camera and you want OS X to interpret its unique RAW format because that's the way you want to work and you happen to have it in your hands now?

How about I don't want to be bugged by your camera raw update and others appearing as a download as soon as a new camera appears on the market?

You're dead right your camera is not a priority for Apple. But they will get around to it soon enough.

It is the exact format as the D5200, it should have been a trivial update, not only is Aperture problematic but all of the other apps that rely on Apple's Camera Raw are broken as well. I dumped Aperture like the rotten apple that it is and switched to LR. One last nail in Apple's coffin with regard to my business...

LV426
Apr 19, 2013, 06:37 AM
It is the exact format as the D5200, it should have been a trivial update, not only is Aperture problematic but all of the other apps that rely on Apple's Camera Raw are broken as well. I dumped Aperture like the rotten apple that it is and switched to LR. One last nail in Apple's coffin with regard to my business...

No, it's not. The sensor are different, for one thing, as will be other camera metadata. But you're missing the point: Apple roll up camera raw updates for new devices in batches, just like they (and plenty of other companies) do with other kinds of software updates.

I'm happy for you that you are happy with LR. I really am. As for myself, I dumped LR and moved to Aperture. Is that one last nail in Adobe's coffin? Hardly.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 19, 2013, 07:37 AM
Seriously, any sensible update policy has to bundle up changes so that users don't get bugged by a constant drip-feed of changes. That's life, I'm afraid. Your moaning won't change Apple's release schedule, so you'd be better off putting your energy into other things.


Drip feed of changes? We are talking about a RAW update, not MS like weekly bug fixes. BTW Apple did release a RAW update yesterday, but for Fuji cameras released in Feb.

Clearly Apple has no regard for customers so releases when it pleases. A company like Adobe, who's profits are all but tied to graphic business has to be more aggressive here. But I find your lemming-like excuses for Apple amusing. Personally, and I've been using Apple products since '88, I view companies as a consumer, not a friend. Companies exist to make profit, and to make profit they need to keep customers satisfied w/i reason. It's not unreasonable to expect an update when other competitors have done the same, no?

I'm still sticking w/ Aperture b/c it's paid for, but its obvious Apple isn't sure it wants to be in this business anymore, but also doesn't want to close the door either.

LV426
Apr 19, 2013, 12:11 PM
Drip feed of changes? We are talking about a RAW update, not MS like weekly bug fixes. BTW Apple did release a RAW update yesterday, but for Fuji cameras released in Feb.

Exactly. And if you noticed, the RAW update applied to several models of camera, in one hit. Can you imagine how mind-bogglingly tedious it would be for all of us if each of those updates came individually as soon as every one became available internally within Apple. Perhaps you'd find that process as amusing as my comments.

It is absolutely not reasonable to expect Apple to update camera RAW on the same day as Adobe, or before. If they rushed things out faster than Adobe, would you go onto Adobe's site and start whining that they are not keeping up with Apple? You're just not being logical.

In the meantime, the hundreds of thousands of Aperture users who don't go racing off to get a camera as soon as they can get their hands on one, carry on with life as normal.

Razeus
Apr 19, 2013, 01:18 PM
Exactly. And if you noticed, the RAW update applied to several models of camera, in one hit. Can you imagine how mind-bogglingly tedious it would be for all of us if each of those updates came individually as soon as every one became available internally within Apple. Perhaps you'd find that process as amusing as my comments.

It is absolutely not reasonable to expect Apple to update camera RAW on the same day as Adobe, or before. If they rushed things out faster than Adobe, would you go onto Adobe's site and start whining that they are not keeping up with Apple? You're just not being logical.

In the meantime, the hundreds of thousands of Aperture users who don't go racing off to get a camera as soon as they can get their hands on one, carry on with life as normal.

People expect Adobe to have the RAW updates first. This is their bread and butter. I'm sure Adobe has more of a relationship with the camera makers than Apple does. I don't expect Apple to have RAW updates soon after a camera is released, but I would expect it within a reasonable amount of time. It's not like camera releases catches them by surprise.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 20, 2013, 03:44 PM
It is absolutely not reasonable to expect Apple to update camera RAW on the same day as Adobe, or before.

Same day as Adobe? Where have I suggested that? It's been 2 weeks since Adobe released. But I guess what you are saying in total is that Adobe w/ LR is always going to be faster, better, than Apple w/ Aperture & I should just come to grips with that fact.

jms969
Apr 21, 2013, 03:13 PM
No, it's not. The sensor are different, for one thing, as will be other camera metadata. But you're missing the point: Apple roll up camera raw updates for new devices in batches, just like they (and plenty of other companies) do with other kinds of software updates.

I'm happy for you that you are happy with LR. I really am. As for myself, I dumped LR and moved to Aperture. Is that one last nail in Adobe's coffin? Hardly.

Yes it is!!! Edit a d7100 raw file in Text Edit and simply change D7100 to D5200 in the file and save it... It then opens and edits fine in Aperture...

Did you read the whole nail in the coffin comment. I said this is one of the last nails in Apple's coffin for me and my business. We have one Mac left and when it reached EOL then we will have made the complete switch from Apple...

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In the meantime, the hundreds of thousands of Aperture users who don't go racing off to get a camera as soon as they can get their hands on one, carry on with life as normal.

You must really try hard to be this big of an *&^... :D

Some of us had to buy a new camera!!!

And yes I expect Apple to push rapid updates :p

manu chao
Apr 21, 2013, 04:20 PM
Operative word here is old. This is all several years old when Aperture was better than or at least on par w/ LR. I'm talking recent history.

Put up or shut up. Show me that Apple is much slower than Adobe. In regard to features of Aperture vs. LR (in particular in the image adjustment area), I agree Apple is clearly behind. But the timeliness of raw updates, not that much.

As much as I know, new raw support for LR comes with new point releases (one could say that LR point releases are mainly about new camera support).

In 2011 and 2012 combined, Adobe released eight updates, 3.4, 3.4.1, 3.5, 3.6, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, and 4.3.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Dn_lightroom_release_history.png

And Apple released nine updates, 3.10, 3.11, 3.12, 3.13, 3.14, 4.0, 4.01, 4.02, 4.03. Whoops, Apple actually released its updates a bit more frequently than Adobe.

And if we look at 2013 only it is:
Adobe: one so far (4.4)
Apple: two so far (4.04, 4.05)

I am not saying that Apple is faster per camera but look is releases updates more frequently. If you want to show me that Apple is on average two months later than Adobe with their support for a specific camera, be my guest. I'am awaiting that comparison with baited breath.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 22, 2013, 07:27 AM
As much as I know, new raw support for LR comes with new point releases (one could say that LR point releases are mainly about new camera support).


Well there you go. Apple just released a new point release last week with no new RAW support. A RAW support update did follow a few days later only for Fuji cameras released in Feb, again, trailing Adobe by some time.

Wholly unsure why people are getting their panties in a wad over this. Why protect Apple when it really hasn't done much for its customers with this product in over two years. People take criticism personally. It's bizarre. Aperture is a program, not a person. Apple's support of it has been uneven at best whereas Adobe seems to constantly push on with improvements.

As I've written many times here -- I like and prefer Aperture's workflow over LR, so I stick with it but as a customer, be it of Aperture or BMW cars or Samsung TVs, I expect to see improvements made over time or I have to look harder at the competition. I refuse to be a loyal lemming "no matter what" like some in this thread appear to be based on their comments.

manu chao
Apr 22, 2013, 03:20 PM
Well there you go. Apple just released a new point release last week with no new RAW support. A RAW support update did follow a few days later only for Fuji cameras released in Feb, again, trailing Adobe by some time.

Look up the support dates for the following cameras and you might be in for a surprise:
Olympus E-PL5
Olympus E-PM2
Olympus XZ-2
Panasonic GH3
Canon G15
Canon S110
Canon SX50 HS
Nikon D600
Nikon D3200

Chupa Chupa
Apr 22, 2013, 04:27 PM
Look up the support dates for the following cameras and you might be in for a surprise:
Olympus E-PL5
Olympus E-PM2
Olympus XZ-2
Panasonic GH3
Canon G15
Canon S110
Canon SX50 HS
Nikon D600
Nikon D3200

I tell you what... You are you are the trying to stick up for Apple. You tell us how these support dates match up w/ Adobes. And then tell me why Apple is so slow w/ the D7100 since it uses the same sensor sans filter as the D3200.

Make the case for Apple's handling of Aperture in total, not just RAW updates.

manu chao
Apr 23, 2013, 04:10 PM
I tell you what... You are you are the trying to stick up for Apple. You tell us how these support dates match up w/ Adobes. And then tell me why Apple is so slow w/ the D7100 since it uses the same sensor sans filter as the D3200.

Make the case for Apple's handling of Aperture in total, not just RAW updates.
Whenever Apple adds support after Adobe, everybody complains that are really slow. Whenever Adobe adds support after Apple, nobody complains.

Would call pointing out the above, as 'sticking it up for Apple'?
http://imageshack.us/a/img594/8201/canonx.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img843/613/nikonh.png
So, for Nikon, Apple is bit slower. For Canon Adobe is a bit slower.

Razeus
Apr 23, 2013, 04:36 PM
All the more reason that we need a standard RAW format so that these issues don't arise. I'm not sure why Nikon, Canon and Sony don't go for .dng as a standard (but Leica and Pentax do), but something has got to give eventually. For a software company to have to constantly use resources to RAW updates just because a new camera is released is insane. One day, the camera RAW support file will be bigger than Aperture and Lightroom itself.

manu chao
Apr 23, 2013, 05:09 PM
All the more reason that we need a standard RAW format so that these issues don't arise. I'm not sure why Nikon, Canon and Sony don't go for .dng as a standard (but Leica and Pentax do), but something has got to give eventually. For a software company to have to constantly use resources to RAW updates just because a new camera is released is insane.

Somebody has to measure the spectral response of the CFA filters (incl. UV and IR cut filters) of every camera.

One day, the camera RAW support file will be bigger than Aperture and Lightroom itself.
If we take a random raw support file (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL845), we see that five cameras take up 3.9 MB or 0.8 MB per camera. If we take a more recent update (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1535) we end up with 1.3 MB per camera. Or an even more recent one (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1604?viewlocale=ja_JP) we end up with 0.6 MB per camera. Though probably, some of that file size is a wrapper.

Aperture/iPhoto/OS X currently supports 280 camera models which might already be about 300 MB which is a third of Aperture's current size.

Chupa Chupa
Apr 23, 2013, 08:02 PM
Whenever Apple adds support after Adobe, everybody complains that are really slow. Whenever Adobe adds support after Apple, nobody complains.


Thanks for those charts. I'll have my crow now, or hat, whichever you prefer to serve. :D

From the chart it really is inconsistent RAW support among Adobe and Apple, which BTW I bet when Adobe adds support after Apple there is plenty of moaning on the Adobe boards.

Well I'm just going to hope that Apple released a new update sooner rather than later for the 7100.

mishendr
Apr 24, 2013, 01:54 AM
Maybe, if anyone cared about RAW support so much, they'd check functionality first with their App-of-choice. Hence, you'd bought the camera 2/3 weeks later and have RAW support. Pffff, 2 weeks late, omg.